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0:03 I submit myself to his holiness Pope Leo the 14th, supreme pontiff of the one holy catholic and apostolic church. Pope Leo I 14th is the vicor of Christ and Christ is king. I'm reminded of the words from the epistle of the Hebrews chap 13:1 17. Obey your prelets and be subject to them for they watch as being to render an account of your souls that they may do this with joy and not with grief. For this is not expedient for you. Pray for
0:50 us for we trust we have a good conscience being willing to behave ourselves well in all things. It's no secret I wanted Cardinal Sarah or Cardinal Erdo or Cardinal Burke, but I'm not a cardinal. I'm a layman. And we must accept the vote of the conclave. All the cardinals, all the cardinals appointed by Pope John Paul II, Pope Ben the 16th, Pope Francis, all of them have accepted that Pope Leo I 14th is the supreme pontiff. And so I bend the knee and I accept Pope Leo I 14th as the vicor of Christ on earth, the supreme
1:37 pontiff, the pope, my holy father. And we'll see what happens. I'm uh I'm generally optimistic, encouraged. Um, I was live streaming it and um, when the when the protodeacon first said when he called out the name Robertos, I immediately thought, "Oh, we have Robert Sarah. We have Cardinal Sarah." And then I saw Roberto Pvost come out, Cardinal Prevost. And I was shocked. But I was also shocked when they read out his name, Leo the 14th. And that was the name I wanted the pope to take. I'll share a video later. Uh
2:25 some time ago, I recorded what name should the pope take? And I was very uh insistent that he should take Leo the 14th. So I'm glad that he did. That's a great sign. It was a comfort to me. Uh I am dedicated to Pope Leo the 1, St. Leo the 1. But I have a special devotion to Pope Leo I 13th. As you know, Pope Leo the 13th, he's the pope of the rosary. Uh he wrote, I've lost count now, 12 encyclicals on the rosary, the importance of the rosary, praying the rosary. But the reason Leo I 13th is so important to me and I believe Leo the 13th should be canonized. Uh every time I go to Rome, I make a small private
3:11 pilgrimage to the Archbasilica of St. John Ladan because there is buried Pope Leo I131 13th. Uh Leo I 13th is important to me. Of course he gave us the St. Michael prayer. He gave us the Leonine prayers after low mass. Um I talk a lot about Leo I 13th in my book infiltration. Um but from a personal point of view many of you know that before I became a Catholic layman I was an Anglican cleric. I was an Episcopalian priest. I renounced that in order to become a Catholic. And one of the primary reasons that I renounced being an Episcopalian priest was because of Pope Leo I 13th. He wrote a papal document called Apostolic Kur. And in
3:58 Apostolic Cur he says that Anglican orders that is the ordination by Anglican bishops is utterly null and void. And when I was making that prayerful decision to leave Protestantism, to stop being an Anglican priest, I read Apistol Kur. And in Apisto, Leo the 13th says that those men who lay down being Anglican clerics and coming into the church towards the very end, he says, um, will receive a recompense, will receive something special from Christ. And I've always held on to that. And I think Leo the 13th in his document Apostolic Kur was the tipping point for me to renounce being a Anglican cleric
4:46 and becoming a Catholic. And so it does warm my heart that our new pope is Pope Leo I 14th. And I pray that he continues the tradition of Pope Leo I 13th and being a pope of the rosary. And my heart was lifted when I saw our holy father Pope Leo I 14th um begin his papacy on the balcony on the Loia by praying and leading the people leading the world praying the Hail Mary and I was al not only the name Leo not only praying the Hail Mary but also the fact that he dressed like a pope. You can see it on the screen here. Um, I know Pope Francis
5:33 wanted to communicate to the world humility, um, simplicity, but if we take that to its logical end, that means we don't have beautiful churches and beautiful altars and beautiful vestments and beautiful hats and beautiful crosses and beautiful statues and beautiful murals and the cyine chapel. It never ends. Um, we need to understand that the beauty of holiness, the beauty of Catholicism is not for the man who wears the pope's slippers. It's not for the priests who live their ministry and then go to their reward. It's not for the bishops or for the cardinal. It's not for the lay people. Ultimately, it is an act of
6:19 adoration by broken sinful humans trying to make a oblation to make an offering to God and saying, "God, we love you. We give our best to you. We give our first fruits to you." And that's what builds the cathedral at Col or builds St. Peter's or any other magnificent churches in the world or altars or vestments or any of that. So to see that Pope Leo I 14th has not cast that aside is an encouragement. Uh I think he's already indicated that he's not going to be like Pope Francis. Um he said his first mass in Latin. I'll share some clips from that actually. Now I'll share
7:05 a clip now. Here is Pope Leo I 14th. Uh this is I believe him. Our father [Music] [Music] most glory. [Music] [Music]
7:55 [Music] et dignity here and there's Well, there's Latin and uh I think by celebrating his first Madison Latin, he did not have to do that. I think it is an olive branch. He is an American pope and he is active on social media, which means he knows the terrain of American Catholicism. And sadly, American Catholicism is, I think the best word for it is
8:43 hurting. Since the 2002 Boston Globe scandal outbreak, since the revelations about the abusive behavior of ex-Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, and then some of the harsh words and gestures of Pope Francis to the Americans, and then also, it's no secret that the United States of America is one of the, if not the largest stronghold of traditional Catholics who long for the traditional Latin mass and sacraments. I think there's just a lot of hurt and I felt that all week. I hope I don't become emotional here. I just felt that there's been a lot of hurt and you know hurt people act out in
9:28 different ways. Um I think I'm guilty of that as well. Um we want so badly to to support our bishops, our cardinals, our pope. We want to say that's our pope. That's my cardinal. Those are my bishops. And yet in America, I think we're so hurt over all the abuse. And you know, to think our cardinal archbishop in DC was doing these things. And you know, of course, you mix in you mix into this, you know, Archbishop Vegano was the apostolic nunio to America and the things that he's discussing. And then you look at like the controversy of Bishop Strickland. There's just a lot of confusion. And I hope from the bottom of my heart, I hope his holiness Pope Leo I 14th is aware of
10:17 the injury and the hurt and the mourning and even the anger that is in American Catholicism. So I I you heard me say probably a hundred times on this podcast, it will not be an American po pope. And boy was I wrong. And but I have hope that he is American and that he speaks to our wounds and speaks to our heart. And that is that's my hope for his holiness Pope Leo I 14th. Um, it's been 24 hours. And of course, if you go on social media, you'll see haters and lovers and and all that. And and my approach to this is to be
11:04 optimistic, is to be encouraged. If you watch my live feed, it got deleted um because it had um I streamed the whole him coming out in the balcony and that was apparently copywritten, so it's not available. But if you watched me yesterday, um I was shocked. Uh, I was initially shocked and um, yeah, as I've processed it and then as I woke up this morning and got on my knees and prayed for the Holy Father, um, I had a I had hope. I had encouragement. Also, last night when we prayed the rosary, our family prayed the rosary for Pope Leo the 14th, uh, it was somewhat surreal. Um, I would say it was a good feeling at the end of the rosary. We prayed for the intentions
11:50 of the Holy Father, Pope Leo the 14th. Another surreal moment. And I also think, you know, coming off the last 12 years um over the past week and leading into the conclave conclave, talking to other Catholics, but also just praying and and and praying for a good good pope and that the the cardinals picked the right the right man. Honestly, I I think what I've learned the most is there are wounds. There's a lot of hurt, you know, and I think that came out in a in a in many ways in America and uh maybe throughout the world as well. And I hope that an American
12:36 pope is aware of those wounds and desires to be a healer. I hope so. I want to show some footage of Pope Leo I 14th and I'll continue to share some Oh, one other thing I wanted to mention is, you know, I know there are people out there who are saying, uh, well, he did this and he said this and and they're starting to, you know, collect the stack of facts against him. And I'm aware of all those. I probably have read all of them. Um, but I want to remind you that there is a weight of the office that has fallen on Pope Leo the 14th. And we as Catholics believe that the office of the pope, the successor of St. Peter, the vicer of
13:22 Christ comes with special graces. There are graces of office that come to the pope and we have to pray that those graces are activated and effectual and we have to trust that to the Holy Spirit and I'm reminded of Pope Pas the 9th and I talk about this in my book infiltration. Pest the 9inth when he was elected uh he was young uh he was in his 50s and he was considered to be a liberal cardinal who was progressive at the time in the 1800s there was discussions and even wars over the papal state should Italy be united um in the
14:10 1800s there was the overturning uh or the attempted overturns of monarchy that ultimately culminated in world war I war I pas the 9th was seen as a progressive and that he would update the church for a modern Europe. And when he was elected pope, he changed. He saw revolution. He saw the decay of Europe. He saw the decay of Christendom. and he became a stalwart traditional defender of Catholic dogma and morality. He issued the syllabus of errors. He preached and wrote against
14:57 relativism and the enlightenment, progressive liberalism. And so you might look at Leo I 14th his holiness and say well he wrote this or he said this prior. Remember even in Pope Pas the 9th there were indications prior to his papacy that he would be a progressive liberal but he came out to be the pope who wrote the syllabus again a syllabus of errors. Um he was the pope who proclaimed the dogma of the immaculate conception. Um he was the great enemy of the socialist. He was the great enemy of an enlightenment secular Europe and he was the inspiration for Pope Pius I 10th.
15:43 So we need to trust in the carisms in the graces of the office of the papacy. People have also noticed um I said earlier Pope Leo I 13th gave us the St. Michael prayer and Leo I 13th I talk about in my book infiltration he he talks about this vision in which he saw evil in which he saw demons descending on the eternal city. This is the reason he gave us the St. Michael prayer and in the old traditional calendar. Yesterday was a feast day of the apparition of St. Michael the Archangel. So there's a nice bookend here of St. Leo the 13th and his devotion to St. Michael and then you know Pope Leo I 14th being elected as
16:31 pope being made pope also on a feast of St. Michael. So we have to trust in these things. We have to look um with faith, hope and charity. That needs to be our perspective. Faith, hope and charity. All right. I'm going to share now some uh some more videos here. Uh, this is uh No, this is not what that's not what I want. I want here I noticed here is Pope Leo the 14th he um he's not wearing modernistic vestments and um the papal croer the
17:17 ferula it's not a stang it's not the Paul V 6 John Paul 2 it is um just a traditional cross I believe it was used by Pope Ben the 16th and It's it's dignifying traditional choir. [Music] No red shoes. People have noticed. Um they are doing adorientum. Sorry, they're not doing ad orientum. They're doing versus popularum. All the cardinals are assembled. [Applause]
18:12 Everything here has gravitas and it has dignity. He doesn't have to do this. Um I think it's a sign. I think it's a signal. Uh, I know we would prefer to have a solemn high pontipical traditional Latin mass, but we do have here the novice ordo and we do have Latin. We do have semnity. We do have dignity and it's it is good to see. It is good to see. I submit myself to his holiness Pope Leo the 14th. [Applause] [Music]
19:07 [Music] Oh, I mean this it sets the tone. uh the Latin, the papal mosetta, everything right now is setting the tone of a change. This is not the style of Francis. And um you know, we just have to be patient. We have to pray and we have to be loving, faith, hope, charity. We must be subject to our prelets and we must be subject especially to the supreme pontiff of the
19:54 one holy catholic and apostolic church. Got some other videos that I want to share with you. Um here is Leo chanting the Gloria. See if I can get it. Oh, I got I got a different take on that. Hold on. A better view here. Here we go. [Music] I mean, he nailed that. [Music]
20:40 Boys choir. [Music] Actually in choir. Nice. [Music] And then the cardinals join in. I mean, it's certainly dignified. And uh I know there's probably people in the live chat saying, "Yeah, but what about what does he really think? What does he really teach?" We'll find out. We'll find out. Um, if other than having a traditional Latin pontypical high mass, I think this is about as good as you could get on 24 hours into a papacy. And so I am optimistic. I am encouraged. And we must
21:27 pray that the graces, the charisms of the office, the munness of papacy continue to inspire him and draw him closer to the sacred heart of Jesus. um that he's filled with the gifts of the Holy Spirit. And this next year is going to be very important. You know, who is going to be his secretary of state uh who will fill the leadership roles in the diccasteries for for faith, for liturgy, for bishops, so on and so forth. All those have to be decided and we we will see more as the months and days roll on. Again, I just speak as an American Catholic, a traditional Catholic. I just from the bottom of my heart on bended knee, Holy Father, Pope
22:15 Leo the 14th, have mercy, be kind. Please heal the wounds, bring unity. Uh, I got some more videos here. collected quite a few pictures worth a thousand words. Um, I've played the Our Father, played the walk. Let me see this one here. Uh, oh, here's one. Uh, here's me explaining why I choose Leo. This was from uh, I think over a week ago. You know, I think if I became pope, I'd probably go with Leo. It's a cool name.
23:02 Lion. Pope Lion. It doesn't get any better than that. You're Pope Lion. Pope Pas is based uh Pope Pas is like, you mean business. But Leo, Pope Leo, Pope, Pope the Lion, Pope Leo the 14th. I would choose Leo. I just think, man, cool name. Hey, if my children are watching, name one of my grandkids, Leo. So, I said that before he took the name. I think that's why I was, you know, emotionally hit when he came out as Leo the 14th because that was definitely the name I was rooting for. As I explained in the beginning of today's show, my devotion to Pope Leo the 13th. And I've said over and over again, if you watch the Taylor Marshall podcast, you know, I keep saying, why is
23:49 it that everyone wants to canonize John the 23rd, Paul the 6th, John Paul one, John Paul 2, so but we no one will canalize Leo the 13th? He's clearly a saint, Pope Leo the 13th, and I'm very devoted to him. So I hope there's also devotion in his holiness Leo the 14th towards his predecessor Leo the 13th. All right. Well, I'm going to do some answer some of your comments and questions. I'm eager to hear from you. Um, I would encourage everyone to be humble, to be small, and to be patient. It's been 24 hours. And also, Pope Leo is, I believe, 69 years old, first American Pope. He will very
24:37 likely be Pope for 20 years. just settle down into that 20 years, two decades. Anything could happen, but we're looking at a 20 year pontificate. 20 years we will be together. If you go on pilgrimage to Rome every five years, chances are then, you know, four out of those times it's going to be Pope Leo the 14th there. And a lot could happen in 20 years. a lot of could happen. So, it's only been 24 hours and we could have 20 years. So, be humble, be small, be patient, be
25:23 gracious. Let's pray that the Holy Spirit leads the successor of St. Peter, his holiness Pope Leo I 14th. And I'll go now to some of your comments and to your questions. Love to know, do you think I'm being fair? Are you optimistic? Are you slightly optimistic? Are you discouraged? Um and um what's your prayer? What's your hope? Dylan says, "Dr. Marshall, honestly, at first I was a little concerned when I heard his name, but as of today, I'm a little optimistic. I too submit to Pope Leo I 14th." I think that's important. I think if you're a traditional Catholic, if you attend the
26:08 traditional Latin mass, we have to enter into this papacy, which could be 20 years long, two decades. This is a young pope. We have to enter it on bended knee. We must subject ourselves to the Holy Father. He needs to know that traditional Catholics are praying for him, that we wish him the best. Thank you, Dylan. Good comment. JD Rael says, "I'm offering my workout today for the hands that hold Peter's keys and for grace to be stowed upon him. Getting gains gains for the Petrine office."
27:00 Isaac Vanderbilt says, "If globalization is how we fill our pews, I say no." Yeah, we must fill our pews with the gospel of Jesus Christ. And honestly, there is a video here. Let me see if I have it. There's a video of a sermon by Leo. Here we go. Oh, this is um yeah, this is the first sermon right here. I'll begin with a word in English and the rest is in Italian. But I want to repeat the words from the responsorial psalm. I will sing
27:46 a new song to the Lord be he because he has done marvels and indeed not just with me. Amazing to hear a pope speaking English like an American, isn't it? With all of us, my brother cardinals, as we celebrate this morning, I invite you to recognize the marvels that the Lord has done, the blessings that the Lord continues to pour out upon all of us. Through the ministry of Peter, you have called me to carry that cross and to be blessed with that mission. And I know I can rely on each and every one of you to walk with me as we continue as a church, as a community of friends of Jesus, as believers to
28:34 announce the good news, to announce the gospel. I begin with a word in English and the rest is in Italian. There nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that. So, I'll go back now to the comments. Just wanted to share that. Sven Anderson says, "He wasn't my first choice, but at least Rabbi Schmoolie didn't get his guy. Also called us God's chosen people this morning based." Yep, I noticed that as well. Um, good. Bob says, "If you feel uneasy about Pope Leo the 14th, listen to his homaly this morning and give him a chance of Embria." Yeah, that was I just
29:21 played the English part of his homaly this morning. I like my wife. She watched it and she's like he tal he said the word gospel of Jesus. He talked about Jesus. He called the papacy, you know, the Petrine ministry, the ministry of St. Peter. Um, you know, it's it's not about being a global GMO. It's not about, you know, social justice right out the gate. We seem to have some some Catholic grounding here. Robert Lee, if your general faith is contingent on the pope or bishop, then you are better than the evangel then you are better than the evangelicals. Maybe no
30:06 better. This is a test of faith. Faith requires that trust in God and his infinite wis wisdom. I agree, Robert. Yeah. Robert Lee, Pope Ben the 16th was a liberal in his past. He changed. Brothers and sisters, our church will survive. Trust in promises of Christ. I mean, it's on I mean, honestly, Cardinal Ratzinger, who became Pope Ben the 16th, did say some pretty wild um wild stuff before he became Pope Ben the 16th. So you know if we can't we can't judge even pest the 9th Ben the 16th we can't judge them on everything from the past when they become pope and they receive the keys and by the way when do they receive the keys when
30:53 they're elected? No. When they're elected, they go to the man elected. He's designated. And they say, "Do you accept your election as the supreme pontiff." If he says, "I accept." In that moment, he becomes the pope. All right? The graces fall upon him. The office falls upon him. I believe he would be renewed in the Holy Spirit. It is the greatest ecclesiastical office on earth. Grover says, "No offense, doctor, but we won't swallow the blue Grover pill." Yes, as some of you may know that t-shirt there that Grover has, um, I
31:39 started attending the traditional Latin mass when I went to a Novas ordo and the Eucharistic minister was wearing this exact Grover t-shirt and said body of Christ. I received Christ on the tongue in the Eucharist. And as I I was there and I was like, "This is madness that I'm looking into the face of Grover and receiving communion." That's one of the things that kind of led me to to seek out tradition and the traditional Latin mass. Taylor, please send Pope Leo a copy of Infiltration, or better yet, hand it to him in person as you did with Pope Francis. Um, I don't know. I mean, infiltration definitely was more geared towards uh the run-up to Pope Francis and um I think we're in a different moment now.
32:25 We're in a different epic. So, I don't see that happening. Logan says, "I do believe his election had something to do with the financial status of the church. America, I believe, gives the most money to the Vatican US Pope. Uh, I I believe that's true. I believe America does give the most money to the church and they need American pilgrims. They need American money. Was that part of it? I don't know. They had America Week uh prior to the conclave. And maybe it was, but we have to pray that the Holy Spirit knows what he is doing. And it will be very
33:12 interesting to see. I mean, America is so strong economically with our military uh in the world. And with Donald Trump as the president, it will be very interesting to see how an American pope, he was registered as a Republican, but he also had hard things to say against Trump and JD Vance. It'll be interesting to see how this shakes down, and I hope that it's a peaceful relationship. You know, I would hate to see things escalate and uh, you know, Trump become like a Emperor Frederick Barbar Roa or something very antagonistic. We definitely don't need that. I think what we need, and I've
33:57 been saying this for the past two weeks, what we need is a 3 to five year period of healing and unity and encouragement. I think that's what I need. I And that's my perspective, too. as one who commentates on these things. Duchess, you hear, did you hear the rumors that Leo celebrated the traditional Latin mass in the Vatican secretly as an indul mass? I was on X. There's a picture of him in traditional vestments. Yes, I've seen the pictures and I've also seen uh two reports that Pope Leo the 14th when a car uh before he was pope either when he was a cardinal even before when he was only a cardinal since 2023 I believe. So uh
34:43 even before celebrate the traditional Latin mass. I don't know. I'd love to see it. I would love to see the Holy Father, Pope Leo the 14th, celebrate a traditional Latin mass uh out of devotion and also just a signal to the world it's okay. The traditional Latin mass is fine, right? It it is part of our Roman patrimony. It's part of our tradition in the Catholic Church. It's not evil. It's not scary. It's not sismatic. It's not rigorous. It is part of our tradition and it should be honored. And if he would say that and celebrate the traditional Latin mass and just let everybody take a deep breath, that would be wonderful. I'd be very much in favor of that. Pope Leo the 14th, please, please
35:29 do that. Uh, Katish asks two questions. Can Father Frank Pavone be unleashized and can Archbishop Vegano be ex uncommunicated? Uh, yes, both of those could happen. Don't know if they will, but they could. Uh, Michael in Nash Vegas was just in Nashville a few days ago. Though he's seen as Francis too for his care of the poor, his canon law background suggests he'll lead with more clarity than the ambiguity under Francis. I'd like to hear your thoughts. I don't think um caring for the poor is liberal or anything like that. We are called to care for the poor. It is a
36:17 mandate. Jesus said that to the extent that you feed the hungry and give drink to the thirsty and clothe the naked and give shelter to the homeless and visit the imprisoned and you do it unto me. That is the sign that you believe in Jesus. That is the sign that you were disciple of Jesus. So we must care for the poor. I I think if you watch this podcast, you've heard me say that many times. Being a traditional Catholic isn't about liturgy and dogma and having more than 10 kids. It's that. But a big part of being Catholic is love for the poor. Blessed are the poor in spirit. The biatitudes, blessed are the poor. In the book of Acts, they're commissioned
37:03 also to be mindful of the poor. And Jesus in Matthew 28 tells us that we have to care for the poor, the hungry, the thirsty, the naked, the homeless. It is integral to who we are as a Catholic. And a traditional Catholic must do these things. You, as I said the beginning of Lent, you must give alms to the poor. You must you must hold the Catholic faith in its full integrity. All of it. Every jot and tit of Catholic theology, the deposit of faith, you must believe it. All the moral teachings, you must believe it. From contraception to abortion to uh marriage to human sexuality to everything that's controversial, you must hold that. But you also must be a person of penance.
37:52 And you also must be repentant. And you must also care for the poor. So it's not a liberal thing. It's a Catholic thing. It's a Christian thing. It is the teaching of Jesus Christ in the gospels. It's the teaching of St. Paul. So, I've never been opposed to that. What I'm opposed to is the idea that the Catholic Church is here to work with secular governments to increase the taxes of people and redistribute wealth and then calling that care for the poor. All right. Jesus in the sermon on the mount did not say, "Let us appeal to the Roman authorities to increase the taxes on families and redistribute that money to poor people." That's not the message, is
38:37 it? No, that's not the message of the sermon on the mount. It is voluntary charity. So, um, but I also the canon law background I think is also important. uh canon law is a ordered understanding of the church and Francis seemed to be a maverick when it came to canon law and when it came to liturgy and just I mean the fact that he had 100 over 130 cardinals chosen as voters when canon law says 120 these are things that as pope he can do but it also shows that it shows a lack of I gotta be so careful It shows a lack of appreciation for the
39:25 order of the church, for the norms of the church. And if you do that so often, if you do that too much, all the canons look look uh ambiguous, all the cannons look optional. And we don't want a church where canon law is optional or where one person can flaunt the canons, right? There needs to be there needs to be an integrity with the papacy and the canons. You know, there needs to be uh an agreement there. There needs to be a harmony there. My side. What will it take the set to submit? He he means here the set contests. Um I know a lot of setes. I have a lot
40:11 of friends who are set contests uh of different stripes and I've spoken to set contests who are society of St. Pius I CMRI cardinal uh sorry Bishop Dolan's group um those who stay at home and don't attend set a masses because they don't think any of them are correct. I've had conversations and friendships with many set contests and I will say that in general you know we want to go back to wounds. Um, one set of a contant in particular I spoke with, um, after talking theology and going through so many discussions about Vatican 2 and liturgy and so on and so forth, ultimately broke down and said,
40:58 you know, my father was dying and I couldn't get a priest to come give last rights. I had to make an appointment or something like that and died without the sacraments. And there was a deep wound there. I'm not saying that's the reason that this gentleman was a set contest. Uh actually I changed that. It wasn't his father. It was his wife. This man I was talking to his wife was dying. He was trying to get a priest and had to make an appointment or there was some technicality. His wife died without the sacraments and he was deeply wounded. And I'm not saying that the reason that's the reason he is a sativontist, but he's looking at a failure of what he's experienced. And you you ask yourself, how can this be the real
41:43 church? How can this be the kingdom of God? How can this how can this and put, you know, plug in whatever you want. This cardinal be the real cardinal, this bishop be the real bishop. This how can this priest be the real priest of Jesus Christ? And that sends you into um an investigation or a concern of is this real? And so I again I think if we go back to uh patience, faith, hope, charity, and if we have a pope who isn't constantly rubbing our noses in it, but is trying to heal, I think that will do a lot of good. It's a good question.
42:32 Gustavo Suede says, "Pope Leo the 13th condemned Americanism, the heresy that preached the modernization of the church. Now Leo the 14th is the first American pope." Isn't that interesting? Good. Good observation there. I hadn't put that together yet. That's good. Anthony Plash, I attended a TLM and the epistle was chanted in English, not Latin. Did you know that was possible? Yes, that happens some places. It can be kind of a 1965 mass thing, though some people are confused. Um, at most traditional Latin masses, the epistle is either said at the epistle corner of the altar and the gospel at the gospel corner or by
43:18 chanted by the the epistle by the subdeacon and the gospel by the deacon. And then it is said again usually from the pulpit by the priest. And a lot of people when they go they're like, "Oh, they said the epistle and the gospel in English. This is a mixed mass." But they don't fully understand that the epistle and gospel was previously also said in Latin. So I don't know if that's the case there. But I have heard in France that in some places in France at a traditional 1962 Latin mass, you may hear the epistle and gospel in the vernacular. Um, I've never I've been to Latin masses all over the world and I've never been to a Latin mass where the epistle and gospel were chanted in English. Never seen that. So, I'm
44:04 curious as to what happened there. Burn says, "Leo's first homaly has me optimistic as it does for me as well. Uh, Titan Raider says, "It's incredibly moving to hear his holiness the 14th praying in Latin. A great point about the furula, humility of heart and reverent vestments based." Yeah. And and you know, people might say, "Well, who cares about he's wearing a red mosetta? Uh, who cares about his pectoral cross? Who cares about the processional cross? Who cares about the furula? Uh, who cares about the Latin? I wanted, you know, we are
44:52 Catholics. All right, the symbols matter, right? This is part of the argument of being a traditional Catholic. You know, the symbols do matter. the way the priest holds his hands, the way he protects his sacred digits after touching the host. Um the the posture of the priest, you know, not having lay people pretending that they're priests, doing all of these things really do matter. You know, we traditional Catholics have been arguing for decades, communion on the tongue really does matter. It it it teaches it plants within us an understanding of the eukarist that goes beyond what you can teach in a catechism or in a class. We believe these symbols
45:39 matter. And within 24 hours, Pope Leo I 14th is revitalizing symbols on day one. All right? Again, he's a young pope. We're probably going to have them 20 years. All right? So just settle into that. Pope Leo the 14th 20 years. All right. For 24 hours, things are going good. Even if you had Cardinal Sarah come out as Pope Leo the 14th, I don't think he would have had a solemn high mass, traditional pontipical solemn high mass day one. It probably would have been pretty much identical to what you just saw Pope Leo the 14th do.
46:25 Thank you, Titan Raider. Good, good super chat. GL, uh, GLF Coast, how do we ignore his past? I don't think we ignore it. Um, are there some troubling things there? Yes, I've spoken about them prior. Um, we're with this pope for 20 years, unless something else happens, God intervenes. He's a young pope. Um, all of this will have to be shaken out and I think we we have to trust the judgment of the cardinals who were appointed by John Paul II, Ben the 16th, Francis that they diligently looked into all this and that they chose the right
47:12 man. And time will tell, but I think that has to be our position now. And as I mentioned earlier in the podcast, Pope Leo the 9inth also had some liberal stuff. Pope Ben the 16th had some kind of crazy stuff that he said as a young man, as a young priest, even into him being a cardinal. Lexi says, "Just tuned in. Did we cover Cardinal Burke's thoughts? Does he have any yet?" Cardinal Burke had a very uh warm um prayer for Pope Leo I 14th. He definitely accepts Pope Leo the 14th as the vicor of Christ, the supreme pontiff, the holy pope, and he's behind him all the way. And he referenced his connection of his basil or his shrine to
47:58 Our Lady Guadalupe in the United States to St. Mary Major in Rome and had kind words to say. And again, also as I said in the beginning, you know, listen to the words. I believe St. Paul wrote Hebrews. I know some people will disagree with me, but I I do believe Paul wrote Hebrews. Hebrews 13:17, "Obey your prelets and be subject to them, for they watch as being to render an account for your souls." Right? We we need to be subject. And on the final day, um if a pope were a bad man, um we go off of submitting ourselves. It's kind of like this. Let's say you're a wife
48:46 and you have a husband with a bad past or a bad husband and all that, but you're validly married. You're still you're still in a in a marriage and your husband is still your head. He's still your leader, right? It's a may not like it, but it's a bad situation. Um, I'm not comparing that to Pope Leo the 14th right now, but I'm just saying that we are called in situations or you could be part of a monastery who had an amazing abbot and the next abbot is not great. What are you going to do? This has been a question that has been recurring for 2,000 years in the church. The safe way, the customary way is to be subject. And on judgment day, let Christ sort that out.
49:37 Thank you for the super chat, Louise. John Jackson says, "I am seeing reports that he celebrated the traditional lat Latin mass in private for years, including in the Vatican. Have you heard this? I hope this is true. His Latin was spot on." Yes, his Latin was good, and we covered this earlier. There are several reports that Pope Leo the 14th has celebrated the traditional Latin mass as a priest, bishop, as a cardinal. And I said here on the podcast, your holiness, Pope Leo the 14th, please celebrate a traditional Latin mass and let the world know it's not scary. It's not rigid. Um it's not um toxic. It is part of our glory. It's
50:22 part of our tradition. It's part of our patrimony. It's part of our It's part of who we are as Catholics. And it should not be condemned. It should not be cast aside. It's an important part of who we are. I think if a pope could say that and celebrate it and just basically take away all the political all all the political confusion around the traditional Latin mass, just diffuse it and let it be. That would be a healing moment that we need that we need as Catholics. like the liturgy wars from 1970 until this year. We needed to diffuse all that. That has to be diffused. That
51:08 has to be one of the goals of the Supreme Pontiff. Beth says, "I too was emotional when the name was announced and he came out in the traditional papal vestments. I had to explain why to my evangelical boss. It became a good opportunity for evangelization. I have seen this as well, Beth. Many Protestants have been watching this on TV, following it, and they're impressed. There is there's something so beautiful, so sacred about this process. Uh it has been dignified. And yes, to see um the cardinals at prayer, to see the cardinals at mass, uh
51:55 to see the cardinals lined up together all in the same uniform together praying, chanting the Our Father. I mean, I maybe I should play play that again for y'all. Let's see. Here it is. [Music] [Music] The pope praying his first mass in Latin. I
52:43 know it's Novasordo in Latin. Gloria, the consecration was in Latin. Our father uh these things do matter. It is a new moment. If St. Peter had been appointed solely based on his words and actions while accompanying Jesus during his ministry, he would never have been chosen, let alone entrusted with the keys. Yeah. I mean, there's the moment when they come down from the Mount of Transfiguration and Jesus says, "The Son of Man must go into Jerusalem and suffer, be crucified." Peter says, "Lord, may it never
53:29 be." And Jesus says, "Get behind me, Satan." Right? And Peter again, if we're going to judge based on past actions, no man is worthy of the papal office. We have to trust that the papal office transforms the man transforms the pontiff. That's I think my message today. Let us be patient. Let us be small. Let us be humble. Let us watch the office transform the man. Thank you, Heart Ponder. You've had some good super chats, heart, appreciate you. Diego says, "I grew up Episcopal,
54:17 but I'm thinking of going through OCIA. That's the order of Christian initiation for adults. It used to be called RCIA. Now it's called OCIA. They changed it recently. I saw a take he had on immigration this morning which seemed very fair. So I'm optimistic. Diego, we pray for you. Please do join the Catholic Church, the one holy, Catholic, and apostolic church. Um, do we have our problems? Do we have our difficulties? Do we have our misunderstandings? Yes. Yes, and yes. But it is the one true church. And I believe that with all my heart. Um, I have the clip, Diego, of Pope Leo the 14th discussing immigration, I believe. Let me see if I have it queued up and perhaps I could play it or parts of it. Um maybe I don't. Oh, I have this clip.
55:05 This is a different clip. Um this is him talking about uh personal faith. Let me play this. It's not just about me and my experience of God either. You might I just think it's so interesting to hear a pope talking like an American. A Chicago American. Here he is. It's not just about me and my experience of God either. You might have people say, "Oh, I have an experience of God and I don't have to do anything else." Well, then that's probably not an authentic experience of God because as we know from the gospels, as we know from uh the apostolic letters, if you love God, then you also need to be showing that by loving your neighbor. And and that the two go hand in hand. I mean, that's fair. That's fair. Um he's appealing to the gospels.
55:52 He's appealing to the teaching of Jesus Christ. John Bosco, do you think the nun and other lady who read from the lectturn were him signaling something or is that just doing it for appearances only? I don't know. I honestly don't know. That might be a sign as well. CP says, "Dr. Marshall, what specific prayer intentions would you recommend for families praying the rosary together for Pope Leo? you've inspired us to learn Latin, the Latin version together. Well, thanks be to God. I'm I'm happy you're praying the rosary every day as a family. There's a plenary indulgence attached to that uh with the usual um conditions. And I think what we do as a family is we we
56:37 pray the rosary, we do the Hail Holy Queen, and then we pray for the holy intentions of the Holy Father. Last night we said if we pray for the holy intentions of the holy father Pope Leo I 14th praying our father hail Mary glory be and I think that's also you can you know offer a certain prayer or a decade or even the whole rosary our family offered the entire rosary last night for the pontificate of Pope Leo I 14th and I think especially in this first year we should be doing that often and praying for the Holy Father and I'm so glad you're praying saying the rosary every day and you're praying in Latin. That's great. Sean, thank you for the super chat. Louise, I desire a quiet papacy.
57:22 You know, a lot of people have said this. You know, one of the things that was that was confusing under Francis was all of the talking points. I hope the cardinals and I hope our new holy father, Pope Leo the 14th, realizes that the top the the talking points, the static, the yeah, just all the little commentary is not helpful. And I think it I think it lowers the dignity of the church. We don't need to hear the pope giving a take every single week on something. And that felt like what was happening for the last 12 years. I too would like
58:09 there to be some mystery to the papacy. You know, he doesn't always have to have a microphone. He should not be giving interviews in my opinion. You know, sitting down with people [Music] from global news networks and they're interviewing him like he's a president or a movie star. I think there should be something mystical. There should be something private. Uh the Holy Father doesn't give interviews. The Holy Father teaches. The Holy Father is an exemplar. We don't we don't need people putting microphones into the face of the Holy Father. The Holy Father is a sacred person with the
58:56 sacred office. And I think I think it devalues the papacy. I think it devalues the church. It devalues Catholicism if we treat the pope like a celebrity. If you agree with me, like this video, share this video, share this video on X, share it on Facebook, wherever you watch. And if you're new, my name is Dr. Taylor Marshall. Please consider subscribing to my YouTube channel. Really appreciate it. So, yeah, a quiet papacy. Um, I really hope Pope Leo the 14th saw that the the static and the the constant commentary from the papacy caused confusion and and devalued the dignity of the papacy. And
59:45 if he would just be a teacher, make every word count as a pope. That would be inspirational. Rick Paul says, "I'm hearing rumors in addition to being a canon lawyer and a mathematician, Leo the 14th is a jazz trombonist. Is that the case? Did not know that." Uh, I'll have you know that when I was in sixth grade, I also played the trombone. So, uh, if he's a fellow trombonist, props. George Donnelly, thank you for the generous super chat. He says, "Pope Leo the 13th warned about the very ideas that crept into the church. I hope Leo I
1:00:32 14th sees the disconnect. Also, without the sacrifices Lev and Co made, would we even be here now? Now my kids have a chance to stand on the rock." I'm hopeful but firm. Yes. And you know I there's some people who have stated well Pope Leo the 14th when he was Cardinal PvO he was in part of the process of sacking our friend Bishop Strickland. Uh that he's part of that and so he's he's a bad guy and all that. Well, I'm also reminded I was talking to Joy this morning because Bishop Strickland is a very close friend of ours and we see him as a father and he's I think he's a very kind and gracious man. I think there's a lot of confusion under Benedict that led
1:01:20 to the outing, the ousting of Bishop Strickland and it hurts my heart and I I hope there's a way also to heal that as well with the Holy Father. But I was thinking about it, you know, Cardinal Ratzinger, who became Pope Benedict the 16th, he oversaw the debacle of 1988 with Archbishop Lev and the alleged excommunication of the four bishops of the Society of St. Pest I 10th and all kinds of confusion about the traditional Latin mass and all that in 1988. So people might say, well Ratzinger, he was the bad guy against Lev and against the Latin mass and you know Ratzinger did this and Ratzinger did that. Well,
1:02:05 remember when Ratzinger became Pope Ben the 16th, perhaps everything that happened there weighed on Ben the 16th and with the papal charrorism and the papal office perhaps he said I'm going to overturn excommunications against the society of St. Pas the 5th and I am going to allow all priests to celebrate the traditional Latin mass which is what which is what Archbishop Lev was asking for. So even Ratzinger who was involved in the 1988 debacle with the society of St. Pius the 10th as pope did something that probably no one would have imagined Ratzinger would have done in 1988. So again we can have hope and
1:02:52 thank you for your super chat George and thank you for that comment. Burn says, "Just glad there is no doubt who the Pope is. Also, Leo addressed the loss of faith in God and atheism as chief issues in our time. He calls on Mary a lot." Yes, positives. Pam says, "I'm encouraged by the Latin novas ordo." This is another thing Joey and I talked about. What if Pope Leo the 14th just always does Latinos sort of maybe he just says, "Well, I'm in Rome. The language of Rome is Latin. Every single monument, every single inscription and every single church in Rome is in Latin. Our ecclesiastical
1:03:37 documents are Latin. So as the Roman pontiff, I'm just going to do Latin mass. And therefore, all pilgrims who come to Rome have an equal linguistic unity in mass. What would that do? Joey and I were talking about it. It would inspire cardinals, bishops, priests all throughout the world to begin to tighten down the novas oro to use Latin to bring in the kirier, maybe the nine-fold curier, the Gloria in Latin, the canon in Latin, the our father in Latin, the agnos dei in Latin, the misa s deatas in Latin. This all could start to unfold just by the example of the supreme
1:04:30 pontiff. Holy face miracle. Pope Leo I 13th instituted the Archcom fraternity of the Holy Face in 1885. I pray Pope Leo the 14th revives the devotion to the Holy Face. Yes, devotion of the Holy Face is very important especially for the destruction of communism. So that would be very welcomed. Thank you for your super chat. Super chat from Chris. Thank you. Appreciate that. Sent Sentinel. What do you think of how Pope Leo I 14th can deal with American politics and Catholic corporatism being the third way in a binary? It's going to be very interesting. you
1:05:16 know, uh, conservatives in the United States are generally behind Donald Trump. And there's been for the last couple decades, I think the lower classes and the middle classes in the United States have been feeling more and more um, disenfranchised and that's leading to all kinds of tensions, racial tensions, economic tensions. um tensions and estrangement with other countries um which is uh seen as you know a global infiltration into the United
1:06:01 States of America and it's I don't think it's I think a lot of the conservativism the strengthen the borders the support for tariffs. I don't think those things are rooted in racism like liberals often say. I think it has to do with the disenfranchisement of the middle and the lower classes because they're the ones who feel the pain the most with inflation, with loss of jobs, with displacement on housing, with crime, etc. That needs to be discussed. I would love for Donald Trump to to speak more to that. I think maybe Pope Leo the 14th from Chicago might also be in a place to
1:06:47 speak to that. So, um, we'll see. I hope the American Pope Leo and the American President Donald can work together. I don't see how that can happen at the moment, but I would hope so. And it's also interesting. I was think I was going to tweet this, but I was like that's maybe off color. There's now an American who's more powerful than President Trump, Pope Leo the 14th. He is the most important American on earth, not the American president. And that's that's also saying something. So, we'll see how that goes. Daniel James says, "I'm so happy Catholics are united for Pope Leo I 14th. Apparently, POS was seen entering
1:07:33 Cardinal Burke's apartment before the conclave, The Greater. It would be great. It would be great. We need I was saying this all up into the conclave. We really need someone who can unite Catholics and heal the wounds. I think that's what we need. And we've had a lot of wounds in America. And I hope that his holiness Pope Leo the 14th knows that. I mean, Pope Leo the 14th was on Twitter. Pope Leo I 14th followed a lot of important Catholic commentators. I think Pope Leo I 14th knows the terrain of Catholic Catholicism. You know, I think Pope Leo the 14th probably knows about y'all. He knows about SSPX. He knows about
1:08:19 Fraternity of St. Peter, Institute of Christ the King. Maybe he knows about me. I don't know. I think he knows better um as an American. He's aware of it. And so I just hope that he is a great uniter. Simon, how do you see the election of an American pope tying in with the prophecy of Trump bringing America back to God? We don't want to just go back to God. All right. I got this new book coming out, Christian Patriot. Let's see if I got here. Yeah, Christian Patriot. It's not about getting back to God in a generic way. It's about getting back to God through Jesus Christ as he
1:09:05 instituted the sacraments in the church. See, there's this generic idea in conservativism. We love God. What does that mean? You know, Vet can say I love God, but he's talking about Hindu realities. He's not talking about the father and of the son and of the holy ghost. He's not talking about that. We need Christian patriotism. By the way, you can pre-order my book link below. All right. 12 ways to create one nation under God. I've been thinking a lot about this. I wrote this book, How do we make America and All Nations Christian? Now we have an American Pope. I'm like, what does this mean? Where are we going? So, I don't know exactly what the prophecy about Trump bringing America
1:09:52 back to God is. Is that a Protestant prophecy? Is it a Catholic prophecy? I don't know exactly what that is, but I hope there can be synergy between Trump and his holiness Pope Leo the 14th. Jason Perez, what if Leo the 14th's election was orchestrated by the Bgolians to carry the revolution forward to leverage US influence when the pendulum switches back to the globalist? Um, it could be. Um, but you know, one of the things that we have to keep in mind is it's not just the quote unquote Burggalians. All the John Paul 2 cardinals and all the B16 cardinals are on board with this. It's universal. It's unanimous.
1:10:40 There's not like there's a bunch of cardinals in Rome right now saying this is invalid. He's not legit. This is a plot. Right? So I think what we have to do is we have to say the cardinals of the church have elected this man. There could be problems until there are outward signs of manifest crimes, manifest heresy, you know, manifest tyranny. Um we pray quietly for our pope. You know, if Pope Leo the 14th comes out and start and he I know, God forbid, you know, denied the Trinity or something, well, then we would start talking about it. But that hasn't happened yet, and I
1:11:25 pray that it doesn't happen. Super chat from Janine. Thank you. Uh, super chat from Sean Perx Twitter. the Spanish first, but now the Italian media is saying Pope Leo will be living in the apostolic palace. This does feel like good news. So that's good news as well. All right. When you're looking at St. Peter's, the facade to the right is the apostolic palace. That's where popes have lived generally for the last hundred years. Pope Francis who wanted to emphasize his humility and not wear the papal garments. He wanted to live in the apartment building called Santa Marta where the cardinals come for the conclave. He wanted to be humble and not live where the popes live. He renovated
1:12:13 the papal uh the uh sorry the guest apartments at Santa Marta and he lived there in his humility. So I think it's also if that's true, if what Sean's saying is true that Pope Leo the 14th will be living in the apostolic palace, that's also signifying that he's in continuity with the popes previous to Francis. And I would welcome that as a good sign. So Sean, thank you for that. I hope it's true. Sentinel of Fortune says, "You made, thank you for the generous super chat. You made a great point on caring for the poor, not being liberal. I see how lacking our works of mercy are in the public space. We need to educate ourselves on how to reclaim public tradition for merit, redemptive
1:12:59 suffering, and giving public witness. I agree with you, Sentinel, but I don't I'm a little cautious about some of the words here. Maybe you didn't mean right, but how we are lacking for works of mercy in the I see how lacking our works of mercy are in the public space. Just we need to be careful. Our works of mercy are not supposed to be in the public space. This is an explicit teaching of Jesus. And you're probably not saying that, but I just want to reiterate it. There are people in the world who say, "Oh, those dogmatic traditional Catholics, they don't do works of mercy. They don't love the poor. They don't take care of single moms and and they repeat this over and over. And I know traditional conservative Catholics
1:13:45 who are very generous with their time and their money with single mothers and pro-life clinics and homeless shelters and uh seminaries in poor countries and out you know outreach and works with water and food and other countries. But the important thing is we don't broadcast it. See, I think that's more of a secular, liberal, progressive thing is proclaiming my good works as public goods, as civic, governmental goods. That's not really the Catholic way. Um, just like St. Nicholas, he snuck into the home of the three girls who were in danger of being uh sold into
1:14:30 human trafficking to provide funds for their family. He did it in secret. He was caught later, but he was helping the family. He was giving the family money, but he was doing it totally secret. We have to do our acts in secret. And we traditional Catholics should be should be holding ourselves accountable. Are we feeding the poor? Are we clothing the naked? Are we are we compassionate? Are we giving alms? Are we supporting our pastors? Are we supporting our bishops? Yes. But far be it for me to jump on a podcast and print out the litany of all the good things. It it Jesus says don't let your your
1:15:18 right hand know or don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing. It should be so on the secret. But yes, we must increase our works of mercy. Thanks for the super chat. MGR Alli Martin. If symbolism matters, then why are TRD so opposed to female service in the mass? When women are absent, it appears as if we are not important and have no place in Jesus's ministry, which is not scriptural. Alli Martin, it's a good question. Remember that the blessed virgin Mary is the holiest person, holiest created human person that's ever existed. The father, the son, and the holy ghost are
1:16:03 the three divine uncreated persons. Mary is so holy. And I think what's happened, Ally, you rais a good point here. What's happened since the 1960s is this false idea has entered the church that unless you are in front of the church doing something, you're not important. That is not true. Every Catholic from 1969 to AD.33 understood that the holy sacrifice of the mass was instituted by Jesus Christ at the last supper. And he told the apostles, "Do this in remembrance of me." And he commissioned the
1:16:49 priests, the bishops, the apostles to perform the holy sacrifice of the mass, the eucharistic sacrifice. that's for them. The idea that if you're not doing that or not involved in that, you're not important in the church is really a revolutionary idea. It's a Marxist idea. It's also a feminist idea that was injected into Catholicism in the 1960s. So if you believe that people not being in front of the church makes those people not important, that's actually a a false idea, right? The
1:17:35 Blessed Virgin Mary never celebrated mass. She was never an altar girl serving the mass. She was not up there washing the priest's hands. She participated as a woman praying and her dignity did not decrease. Her importance did not decrease. Because Mary was not a priest, was she less important? No. Because Mary was not a lector, was she less important? No. Because Mary was not an altar server, was she less important? No. The priesthood and the minor orders are instituted for the divine liturgy, the holy sacrifice of the mass in persona Christi. That's why they're in the
1:18:21 person of Christ and that's why it's a male function because they're offering the body of Christ to the church and the church is female. It's the bride of Christ. This is just the basic symbolism. And so if we take the idea that well if if old people are in front of the church doing priestly things then old people aren't important or if black people aren't up there black people aren't important. If women aren't up there women are important. That way of thinking means literally we should just empty out the entire nave and push everyone into the sanctuary around the altar which some priests actually advocate. All right. We have to cleanse our mind. Get holy water. cleanse your mind of the idea that being important to God or being important in the church is being up there on the
1:19:08 altar. That is not being important. So I hope that helps. Um and the symbolism here, the whole point of the mass is the symbolism is not is who is important or who is not important. The symbolism of the mass is the priest is in persona Christi and he's a male. This is my body. Bodies come either male or female. And in the case of Christ, this is my body. The body is male. So that's the symbolism there. It has nothing to do with who is important or who's not important. I hope that's helpful. Um, and I hope I I didn't sound harsh or judgmental. I'm just trying to explain this this unfortunate idea that's entered into people's mind since the
1:19:55 1960s. Simply potato says he's not the pope. Okay, we have a set contest here. The pope is the standin for the good shepherd. If the man calling himself the pope is leading the flock astray, he is not the representative. If so facto, just admit it. Well, he's been pope for 24 hours and I haven't seen anything that he's done to lead people astray. So, I would I would disagree with you on that. Anthony says, "Latin is unity." Not necessar I mean yes Latin does signify symbolize our unity but of course we have you know the Greeks and we have you know the eastern churches that use Syriak and Aramaic and all
1:20:41 that. So we all have unity in Christ but Latin is a great unifier. Say yes. Will Pope Leo the 14th speak out forcefully against the ongoing plight in Gaza? I don't know. And honestly, honestly, I think this is this kind of goes back to politicizing the papacy. Did Jesus institute the papacy to issue memos on global conflicts? I don't think so. I think the pope can be a sign of witness in the world for peace. But I really don't think when Jesus made Peter the pope, he was like, "Hey, and make sure you issue some interviews and documents about the Roman
1:21:27 Persian conflict that's going on right now. You should definitely weigh in on that, Peter. It was happening." The Pope is there to confirm the brethren, strengthen our faith, bind and loose faith and morals, be a sign of unity, to be an administrator, to have jurisdiction over the universal church. Again, I don't want to see the papacy um diminished by constant, you know, commentary on the world. Let the pope be the pope. He's not a political commentator. He's not a referee. For if there's two Muslim nations at war, he's not the referee for
1:22:14 that. Let let him call people to prayer. Let him call people to peace. But I really don't want to see the Pope as a as a referee for war in the world. I don't think that's what the papacy is for. This is the first Uni says this is the first conclave with over 120 electors. This is against church law. Is it to be assumed it is illegitimate like Pope Benedict's resignation? No. Um the pope is above canon law, right? He is the supreme pontiff. So if he appoints 135 and 133 attend, that's what happens. Um, let's say though, just to argue the point, let's say that you said, "Well, only 120 could go in."
1:23:03 Let's just say that you claimed that even though there'sund there was 133, only 120 could go in. All right. Well, if you subtracted the most recent 13, right, and just had those 120, those 120 still at the end of the day, right now, say Leo the 14th is the pope. So, you still have 120 of the first 120 electors by acclamation and common consent that Leo the 14th is the canonical pope. I don't see how you can deny it. Lawrence says, "Did you see that Francis's tomb at Mary Major does not have the PP before before his name? Do
1:23:50 you think that might be significant?" I don't know. I noticed it. Uh, I thought it was odd. Maybe he just wants to be humble. Oonie says it was in the 192 Romano Pontipichi Elgendo. I agree. But still you have your 120 cardinal electors consenting that this
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