Pope Leo XIV and the Latin Mass Ghetto - What's the solution? Dr. Taylor Marshall

0:03 Pope Leo the 14th and the traditional Latin mass ghetto. Now, before I started today, I saw that people were complaining saying, "Well, we're talking about the Latin mass ghetto." I'm not talking about, "Yo, man, want to drinking malt liquor? You want to smoke some blunts, man?" I'm not talking about that ghetto. I'm talking about a real ghetto. What is a ghetto? Went over to Wikipedia. Here's what a ghetto is. A ghetto is a part of a city in which members of a minority group are concentrated especially as a result of political, social, legal, religious, environmental or economic pressure. Ghettos are often known for being more impoverished than other areas of the city etc. All right. What's happened is

0:48 we've taken a group of people who attend the traditional Latin mass and we have centralized them. We have ostracized them and we have stigmatized them. And you've heard me talk about the corral theory where I believed that the Sgalan mafia, the modernists, they wanted to just push the traditional Catholics into a corral and then once in the corral close the gate, isolate them. that has been that's been happening for a while and it has created a ghetto a ghettoization of the traditional Latin mass community and I want to just pause and ask the

1:35 question is that healthy for the people inside that group and is it healthy for the people on the outside of that group and then what can Pope Leo I 14th do to remedy this situation? Because if you push people, if you centralize them, if you ostracize them, if you stigmatize them, and you put them in the group, initially they might be okay, but over the years, over the decades, it's going to produce oddities. And I have an analogy today that I'm going to share that I think is going to help you um understand that. And we're going to talk about, and again, I'm not, some people are coming to today's show and say, "Aha, finally Taylor Marshall is going to pull out his

2:21 whip and he's going to scourge the trades and he's going to say, "Y'all are rude and you're mean and you're autistic and all that." That's not today. All right. I'm a trad. I'm a traditional Catholic. I love the traditional Catholic parishes movement, but I also recognize that there's something unnatural. There's something unhealthy that's been happening to us. And I think we're actually at a moment now. We're at a crossroads where it could be fixed. It could be remedyed. So that's today's show. Pope Leo I 14th and the ghettoization of the traditional Latin mass. Before I start today, I want to honor today's sponsor. And Real Estate for Life is a wonderful company and I've

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3:52 help. The game of chess. I like the game of chess. I'm by no means a chess master, but I was taught to play chess by my maternal grandfather. And uh he would sit there and and smoke cigarettes. I think they were parliament. And for hours we would play chess. There was no internet back then. He had a few books that he gave me. And I learned to play chess with my grandfather. And I cherish those days. So the game of chess has a set of rules, a set of board, a set of pieces that has developed over time but has been standardized. And so think of the game of chess as an analogy. And let's say in 1970, the World Chess Federation said came along and said, "Listen, we're going to update chess.

4:39 All right? There's a lot of people in the world, they like checkers, they like other games. And so we we're going to make a couple tiny changes to the game of chess. So what we're going to do is, and I don't know, we'll make up some things here. Um, the pawns in chess can now do a checker move where they jump diagonally over a piece and take that piece. Otherwise, the pieces are the same, the game is the same, check is the same, checkmate is the same. All the other pieces move in their traditional ways, but we're going to update it in 1970 as the World Chess Federation, and that's going to be chess. Okay? Okay, so in 1970, let's say they do that and there's a whole group of

5:25 people like JR Tolken and others who say, "Well, okay, but that changes everything we know about strategy, opening moves. It there's kind of a tradition to openings and counters and that changes everything. Um, I'm not comfortable with that. I'm personally I just want to play the older chess, traditional chess." So there's a group of people who continue to play chess as I always played it, but most people move on and they they do the new chess rules in 1970 and it catches on and people seem to like it. It's a little bit faster. It's a little fun. Kind of got that checkers move in it and and they go along and in the world uh Federation of Chess that just becomes the new the new

6:11 way of playing chess and everybody loves it. There's there's always this group that kind of meet together and they're like, "We're going to play the traditional rules of chess." And that happens over time and they're not as popular, but people start to check it out. And then over time, more maybe young people who never played the older traditional chess, they come and they play and like, "Oh, this is kind of cool. I've read in old chess manuals how chess was played. And now that I'm playing by the old rules, I kind of see like how the openings worked and the strategy and how people planned ahead based on the openings because pawns move differently. And so finally in I don't know, let's say the year 2008, the chess international chess commissioner, say his name was Benedict, he says, you know what, people like the old chess too, the

6:58 traditional chess, and they like the new chess. We're just going to start in the World Federation of Chess. We're going to allow everybody uh a place at the table, right? So, if you want to play traditional chess, all right, y'all play traditional chess, great. We'll we got tables for y'all. We got chess board for y'all. You want to use the new 1970 chess rules and play chess and have competitions. Y'all do that, go at it. And so once that happens in 2008, a whole new generation of people are exposed to traditional chess and it starts to grow. Young people like it. They're like, "Huh, I've been studying chess for a long time and kind of everything that I learned about chess and I read the great chess masters and I watched old, you know, uh, chess games

7:45 and competitions and now that I'm playing the old chess, I kind of understand the brilliance and what was cool about the traditional chess rules." And meanwhile, the new chess continues to go on its way. But unfortunately, that chess commissioner, Benedict, he resigned and a new chess commissioner came in. His name was Francis. And he sees the growth especially of young people and then international people having a renewed interest in the old pre 1970 traditional chess rules. And so he says, well, we're going to restrict that. All right. I don't want any new students, seminarians learning the old traditional chess rules. I am going to restrict. I'm

8:32 going to create pockets of only only where old chess can be played. I don't want them mixing in with the new chess. All right. We're going to make sure that there's pockets. I'm going to license um the the local commissioners of chess to suppress the traditional chess clubs. We're going to get we're going to get rid of them. We're going to push them out. We're going to force them to play the new chess. And so when that happens, when when the commissioner Francis starts to enforce and create the ghettos of old chess, that starts to create some animosity. It creates some hard feelings. And more and more of these people are being pushed into ghettos. And then the people who are

9:19 playing new chess, they see those people and they say, "Well, if you're playing the old chess and you're not playing the new rules, that means you hate the game of chess." And they say, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We don't hate the game of chess. We're just playing by the old." No, you hate chess and you hate the commissioner and you hate everything there is about the game of chess because you will not play the new rules. And this creates a ghettoization of let me switch the analogy pivot to the Latin mass. There are people who just want to pray and attend the old ways and there's a whole new generation who has

10:05 discovered the old ways and they are spiritually benefiting from it. And we had reached a positive consensus under Pope Benedict Sumor and Pontificum 2008 where we had the he called it the ordinary form and the extraordinary form and they were both given freedom. But the extraordinary form, the traditional atmass started to pick up some steam, started to accelerate and Pope Francis stopped it and he pushed it into ghettos. And now people are saying, why are y'all have a ghetto mentality? What? You don't love the Catholic Church. You don't love the papacy. You

10:52 don't even love the liturgy. you have made an an idol of the traditional chess and the pe the people playing traditional chess like I don't even know what you're talking about. It's not about that at all. And so when you create this ghetto mentality and again I'm not talking about hey man you want to smoke a bunt man let's do some crime. I'm not talking about ghettos like American ghettos. I'm talking about you know the definition of what a ghetto is. All right. A concentrated uh especially as a result of a political, social, legal, religious, environmental or economic pressure. There's definitely an environmental, religious, political, social pressure to create these pockets of traditional

11:39 Latin mass ghetto. And so my response is, what could Pope Leo I 14th do to release the pressure? There's definitely pressure built up and it's not healthy. It's not healthy for people in the traditional Latin mass. If you're ostri, if you're ostracized, if you're stigmatized, if you're ghettoized, it does wear on you. Even if you're a glad trad, you do notice that there's a different set of rules for you. Like, can we build a bigger parish? Maybe next year. Maybe next year. Maybe next year. Maybe next year. Meanwhile, other

12:24 parishes are buying land building. And for some reason, the traditional Latin mass parish can never grow. It can never build. It can never expand. Or it's shut down, right? Or it's moved as we just saw in Charlotte, North Carolina. shut down the Latin mass locations and put it to a new location outside the city. The people in that ghetto see that and it begins to wear on them. And then the people outside of it say, "Why don't you just get along with the rest of us? Why do you have to have your special magic liturgy? Why can't you just play the new rules of chess? Come on, just play the new rules." And and there's this antagonism. And so I think what could happen and I

13:12 think this would be the best case scenario is if Pope Leo I 14th in a non-politicized way did two things. I think the most important well I'll do the second port and then I'll do the most important. The second most important thing I think he could do is to return to what Pope Benedict the 16th had established in 2008. Sumor pontificum. If you want to celebrate the traditional, if there's a if there's a priest who's trained to say the traditional Latin mass and there's a group of people asking for the traditional at mass, it should be granted. It's not dangerous. It's not politicized. It's not a resistance group. It is a place where people are

14:00 coming together to pray, to honor God. And the liturgy they're using has been used for hundreds and hundreds of years. There's nothing evil about it. There's nothing bad about it. Just allow it to be. And if you want to go over to the nose or you prefer that, you like the English or the vernacular, right? You you like the the new rules, right? You like the the chess from 1970 forward. You like to play it that way. That's there, too. That was a consensus. That was something I think that was healthy. And I remember being a traditional Catholic, you know, back in those days. And there wasn't the

14:45 animosity. There wasn't the ostracized ghettoized feeling that that did pop up under Pope Francis, especially after traditions custodas. So I think that's the second most important thing. The first most important thing that Pope Leo the 14th could do and and people have been saying Pope Lee the 14th has said the traditional Latin mass. There's a lot of back and forth. I don't know the truth. I've heard from a very good source that Cardinal Pos before he was Pope Lee the 14th did in fact regularly say the traditional Latin mass. I think the most important thing that Pope Leo the 14th could do more than writing a modrio or an encyclical or any

15:31 official thing with his signature. Pope Leo the 14th simply said a traditional Latin mass not in the context of a big feast day or a pilgrimage or a world youth day. just on a Thursday morning set a traditional Latin mass unannounced could be a low mass and then everyone would of course flip out and then everyone would talk to the pope and he would just say it's just the traditional at mass it's part of our inheritance as Catholics it's not a piece of furniture in the museum it's part of our living

16:17 tradition Yeah, I just offered the eucharistic sacrifice using the 1962 missile. What of it? Nothing exploded. Nothing melted down. Right. The multiverse was not disturbed. I said a traditional Latin mass on a Thursday morning. Have a nice day. By doing that, Pope Leo would completely depoliticize the debate and the discussion. It would be like the grandmaster of the World Chess Federation. Playing a game of

17:03 traditional chess in public, just playing it. Say, "Oh, that was great. Oh, you won. I won." You know, we played the traditional chess. You know, great set of rules. That was good. Completely depoliticize it and let everybody take a deep breath. I think that would be the that would be more important in the for the bishops and the cardinals and the priests to simp to see a pope simply just say a traditional Latin mass. Not a big deal. Because right now to do that is it's so controversial, right? It's been politicized to be a sign of rebellion or hate or counter signaling this group or that group. Why can't it just be the

17:52 traditional Latin mass that has been received? So, I'd like to hear your thoughts on that. Um, your comments and your questions. First off, I saw before the show people were saying, "Oh, Taylor's calling us ghetto, you know, and I'm not saying you walk around with your your pants sagging, you know, drinking, you know, malt liquor, cult 45, gang banging. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm not I'm not trying to denigrate our culture. What I am saying is is we've been ostracized. We've been stigmatized. We've been centralized into a subculture and that's not healthy for us in that ostracized group and it's not

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20:13 before July and the coming Rio reset. Just text my name Taylor to 989898. That's Taylor T A Y L O R to 989898. You can also click the link below in the show notes. All right. So, what are your thoughts on the three things I've discussed? Number one, is there a ghetto? Is there a ghetto? Has a ghetto formed since Tradition Gusto? Has a ghetto formed since 1970, but has it intensified in the last several years since treatitis? Uh, number two, do you agree with my analogy of the World Federation

20:59 of Chess? Did something like that happen in 1970? And is it reasonable to continue to honor the rules in the game of traditional chess or must it be obliterated and wiped off the map? In order for there to be new chess, we have to destroy the old traditional game of chess. Is that logical? And then the third thing is what is more important for Pope Leo the 14th to do? Obviously, we want to see him return something like Sum and Pontificum. But is it more important simply for him on a Thursday morning unannounced to simply say a traditional Latin mass and say, "Look, the Pope said it. It's not a big deal. Take a deep breath." All right. So, I'm

21:46 going to go to your comments and your questions, super chats. And by the way, for those of you especially who are super chats, super chatters, I suppose, um I have converted the channel um to not converted it. I've opened up the option on the channel to join as a member of the channel on YouTube. I've noticed on other channels they have this option when you join the channel, you get different emojis, you get different benefits, you unlock different perks. So I was like, well that's cool. And I've been thinking about doing it for several months now. and we did that last week. So, you can join the channel and you can get new emojis, perks, um advanced access to new videos, um different polls,

22:31 um you get uh priority in the super chats, etc. So, um if you just go to my YouTube page, Dr. Taylor Marshall, you can see it either says join or members. I think it says join. You click that and you can unlock it. Okay, super chats coming in from Joseph NGO. By the way, how is my audio? I cranked the audio. I hope it's not it's not crunching or cracking. Um, but the last week or so, you y'all thought the audio was a little low, so it's ramped up, and I hope it's not too high. Joseph, Pope Leo may have TLM be at mercy of each bishop, but anticipating the faithful dispersing to the Eastern

23:17 churches, eg Byzantine, and therefore has butressed them from the foreseeable criticism of the Latin right ordinaries. Um, yeah, I honestly think if I had to place a bet that Leo would maybe not go back to Sum and Pontificum, which is giving the right to every priest to say the traditional Latin mass, but will return it to the authority of the bishops to do what they want in their own dasis, which would be a medium point between Pope Francis and Bennett the 16th. I could see him being a centrist and coming in somewhere in the middle. I honestly do not think um the faithful dispersing to Eastern

24:04 churches is a reality. Um I love the Eastern Catholic liturgies. I love the liturgy of St. John Chrysum especially. I find it fascinating. I find it beautiful. I do want to attend it. I like it. But if you said, Taylor, would you be comfortable for the rest of your life attending the divine liturgy and having your children married in the Eastern Rights and baptized? That is not It's not because I disparage it or don't like it. I do like it. I do honor it. That is not an option that I like. I am a Catholic. I am a Latin Catholic. I am a Roman Catholic. I like the the Roman rhythm of the year. I like

24:51 the Roman liturgy, right? That's who I am. That's what I was baptized into. That's what I was confirmed into. That's where I am. So, um I'm not interested in migrating into the Eastern Rights. Um and I don't honestly I really don't think that that is the solution here. Uh, the solution is really an honest discussion of the Roman right, the patrimony and the inheritance of the Roman right. Another super chat from Joseph as well. This competition may soften the hearts of those ordinaries that don't have the ideological antipathy to the TLM and would lead to a truce in the lurggical wars until next generation of traditional-minded bishops take up the ranks. Yeah, I think that's

25:37 part part of the problem here is the the lurggical wars. When you create a ghetto, you are and I think they might the the the real hardcore modernists who hate the traditional Latin mass. I think they know when you create a ghetto that you stigmatize, it's going to it's going to ignite that group to be more radical, to be more resistant. And then they can say, "Well, see, we gave you your tiny TLM outside the city, and you know, you're grumbling, so now we're taking everything away." Yeah. When you ostracize and stigmatize people and push them away, it's going to create oddities

26:22 within the movement. That's true of human nature, right? If you took the Marinites and said, you know, we don't want anybody else joining the Marinites. No more. No more. And um we're concerned about Marinite liturgy. You know, we're concerned that it radicalized people. We're concerned that when people go to Marinite liturgy, they don't fully appreciate the Second Vatican Council and they don't fully appreciate the papacy. And so, we're going to put limits on the Marinite liturgy. Well, over 10 years that's going to change the way Marinites understand themselves with respect to the Catholic Church and it's probably going to create some negative feelings, right?

27:07 You do that to any group of people even the best heart. If you said the Bavarian society of Germany, we are going to place restrictions on who can join it, when they can meet, who can lead it. We're not so con we're a little bit concerned about this later hosen thing and pula and uh certain brands of Bavarian beer. Well, you do that after 10, 20 years, it's going to create some oddities within that Bavarian subculture. Do you want to do that? And and I think as Catholics, Catholic meaning universal, I don't think we want to do that. I think Pope Francis made a mistake. I think Pope Benedict made a uh

27:56 he helped the situation. I think Pope Francis not only undid what Benedict did, I think Pope Francis made it worse for the liturgy wars. Tristan says, "Speaking of the traditional at mass, we had a solemn high mass this morning for St. Philip Ner's feast day at the Cincinnati Oratory. St. Philip Ner, pray for us." St. Philip Ner is such a great saint and the Ortorians are fantastic and the Ortorians are great at liturgy and uh wonderful also with the traditional Latin mass. So I think the Ortorians are going to do great in the years to come. Really appreciate them. Oscar says, "Do you think that Eastern Orthodoxy in particular the Dasis of Constantinople will ever come back into full communion with Rome?"

28:43 Well, what I've learned over the decades is that there is no such thing as Eastern Orthodoxy. I have had friends that are priests in various Eastern Orthodox jurisdiction. They have different understandings of Eastern Orthodoxy. Um, I would not say I was a close friend, but I got to know a Romanian Orthodox priest. And I am good friends, old college friends with a priest who is a eastern Orthodox priest in the U patriarchet of Antioch, Antiochian Orthodoxy. They have different understandings. Um,

29:28 and even on the issue, for example, of receiving people who are baptized, some of them will do what's called a corrective or rebaptism, some of them will just crisis and they they really disagree on how that should be implemented. And it it does cause some sore feelings. So, I don't think there is a such thing as Eastern Orthodoxy. As you probably know right now, the patriarch of Constantinople and the patriarch of Moscow are in a sism right now. They're the patriarch of Moscow has excommunicated the patriarch of Constantinople. So even there there are different fault lines within Eastern Orthodoxy. So to say they would all come over and mass into communion with Rome, I don't think that's the case. what you've seen in the past, for example,

30:14 with the Melkites, the valid patriarch of Antioch did come into commune with the pope, and that's what we know today is the Melkites. I think I have that right. Hopefully my memor is correct. You I think we will see that. I think over time we will see Eastern Orthodox bodies um submit to Rome and come into full communion with Rome. But I don't think that there'll be a hey, we're the Eastern Orthodox, we're all coming in. We haven't seen that historically. It'd be awesome. It'd be great. Liam Stanton says, "If married priests work for the Marinites, why could land it work in why can't it work in the Latin church? Also, can you please do a video for the victims of these wars going on, particularly Palestine, Israel? Um, if married

31:02 priests work for Marinites, why not for the Latin?" Because we're not the Marinites. All right? We just as we don't want the eastern churches to latinize like I don't want the Melkites or the Marinites to start adopting elements from the traditional Latin mass or the noordto right I want them if if you're a Marinite I want you to be a Marinite if you're a Melkite you need to be a Melkite if you're a Coptic Catholic you need to follow the Coptic liturgy all right that's what the Eastern rights are four. And so I don't want Marinites saying, "Well, we have married priests, so you Latins, you Romans should do like us." No, we don't want to Byzantine Byzantineize, is that a word? Easternize

31:49 the Western right. So our patrimony, our tradition is a celibate priesthood. Let us have the celibate priesthood. It's working for us. We've had amazing missionaries, amazing growth, amazing pastoral work by celibate priests. It's ancient. It is our culture. It is our patrimony. That's what we should stick to. So, we let Marinites be Marinites. You let us be Romans. We're all brothers. We all love each other. We have our traditions. Let's keep it that way. All right. That's it for the super chats. I'm heading over into the general unless someone drops in a super chat. Oh, there is a there is a new super chat

32:36 here. Pio Victor says, "Hey, Taylor diosis and seminarian here. Praying for a for perseverance through this madness in praying Pope Leo will repeal Tradition Custod." So, yeah, we got to pray for our seminarians. My heart goes out to the seminaries particularly the diosis and seminaries because there's so many good men like Pio Victor here who want to offer their lives as priest and victim for Jesus Christ on the altar and so many of them um receive their vocation or have attachment to the traditional Latin mass and you know one of the hard things about traditions custodas and the move by Pope Francis is it cuts them off part of tradition custod states that seminarians cannot be trained and ordained to celebrate the

33:24 traditional at mass. And that's sad. Again, that kind of goes back to my analogy where the Supreme Commissioner of the World Federation of Chess says, "No, not only can you not play the old traditional chess, you can't even let your students in your schools, you can't even let them learn about or be trained in the old rules of chess. That's that seems to me, okay, my impression is that seems a little draconian. That's a little harsh. Not only not only can you not have it, you can't even teach them. Can't even talk about it. You know, I I don't know about

34:10 that. Speaking of which, I had a tweet that kind of went viral that's on this topic. It got me thinking about it. I I I've honestly been I've been for about two weeks preparing Wait, am I muted? No. For about two weeks, I've been preparing this topic and I because I knew some people might be offended by it. Um I wanted to find the right analogy. That's the chess analogy that I went in. But I also had this um this tweet. Let me see if I can pull it in here. Where did it go? Not that. Here we go. I said, uh, please stop attacking the traditional Latin mass as if it's a carcinogen in the body of Christ. Are there mean holier than thou

34:57 jerks in the traditional mass parishes? Yes, there are some. I've had people in the traditional Latin mass, I've used this one, there's several, but this is one I just because it's kind of an easy one. I had a gentleman come up to me once after traditional Latin mass and he says to me, "Uh, Taylor, good to see you. I've uh I've noticed that you and your family for the last year or so have been going to the low mass, not the high mass." I said, "Yeah, are you aware that um there's more graces and more glory in the high mass?" I said, "Well, yeah. I mean, there's more ceremony. the high mass is the high mass. There's more in the high mass in the low mass. He's like, "Well, why would you

35:44 choose to be in the low mass, right?" And and and what he was doing is he was judging me. He was putting me down because my fan I think we're going to the low mass just because that time slot fit our family structure better with our kids, right? It's not that I was in my heart of hearts saying, "I want to cut myself off from the high mass. I want to be low mass." Right? That's not it. But I was being judged. I was being belittled by another lay man who obviously was studying me for a long period of time and observing which mass I went to and then making a judgment. That's holier than thou. That's being a jerk. That's wrong. All right. I don't I don't like that guy. All right. But I'm not going to judge all traditional Latin masses because of that experience with this guy

36:31 who was a jerk. All right. So when you say to me, "Are there holier than thou jerks at the traditional Latin mass?" I say, "Yes, there are some." All right, but here's what I said in the tweet next. I said, "Did the traditional Latin mass cause them to become mean holier than thou jerks?" And I say, "No, never. Not a single case. There are many causes, but the 1962 Latin mass did not cause people to become jerks. All right? So, if anyone's mean, it's not that they went to this 1962 Latin mass and then that liturgy it it turned them into a mean, holier than

37:16 thou jerk. That's you can't say that a liturgy approved for centuries in the church makes people holier than thou judgmental Pharisees. You can't say that. It's it's a theological impossibility. There are other reasons for people becoming holier than thou meanies, jerks. I go on in this tweet. I say I'd also argue that the mean holier than thou jerks at the novas ordo didn't become that way by attending the novous ordo mass. I say people are nasty from unhealed wounds. It derives from sinful patterns of reacting. A liturgy did not accomplish that inside them.

38:03 And maybe, just maybe, the traditional Latin mass is the long-term medicine to heal some of these people over time. Banning it or dangling it on a string just makes things worse for them. Let's show mercy and also affirm that the 1962 liturgies do not cause interior mal foration as carcinogens. Do you agree with that? Do you agree with that? These traditional liturgies do not make people evil, do not make people sismatic. They do not make people into sedicontists. Other things can do that. But it's not the liturgies. We should not punish the liturgies or restrict the

38:48 liturgies because of people's sinful. You could say, "I've noticed that more people who promote an unrepentant sexual lifestyle attend the Novas Ordo. Therefore, the Novas Ordo makes people sexually deviant." No, I don't believe that. Like, we can't take the attributes of people who attend a certain liturgy and then say that that liturgy caused the sin to be within them. We got some more super chats. That fired up people. Super chats are rolling in. Joseph says, "The analogy holds the Novas Orto is blitz chess."

39:37 Interesting. That's funny. If you play chess, you know what blitz chess is. TJ Walker, not heard the But I think that the analogy is better, not just blitz chess. I think the analogy is better to actually change just one or two or three of the rules of chess. You know that it may not look like a massive change, but everything you've studied, everything you've done in chess, particularly with openings, would be radically altered if you just changed a few elements on the board. It would radically alter the game. It could still be called chess. It would still have much of the same strategy as chess, but by changing just a few tiny things, it would radically alter strategy. It would radically alter the way that the game's played. TJ

40:22 Walker super chat. Not heard the pope mention Jesus Christ. He talks about God and love quite a bit, but not mentioned Jesus Christ. He talks about love quite a bit. Hm. I don't know if I've noticed that. I'd have to go back and look at speeches. I I I sense that he has um but it's something I'll I'll keep an eye out for. Going back into your uh into the general chat here, I'll keep an eye on super chats rolling in. Philip or Phillip is it? Yeah. Philip Oro's how trad love Ben the 16th that's the best example you know it was

41:08 it was it was such a nice time I don't remember after sum and pontificum and people were going the traditional Latin mass and it wasn't as big as it is now all right because it was really for the first time kind of made normal uh oh the pope says you can go to that cool you go to that do you like it or do you know Latin is it Is it just Armass in Latin? A lot of people were kind of learning about it. There wasn't antagonism after Tradition Custodas. There was antagonism. I felt it from Novasoro people. Good Novas Oro people like oh that's kind of I I even heard people say fraternity of St.

41:53 Peter. Now are they setts? You know, people started getting sort of this false information. A lot of baggage started being dumped like, oh, FSSP, are they are they in full communion with the Pope? Okay. Okay. I thought I heard something different about that. You started getting misinformation. You started getting suspicion after Tradis Custo. And I don't think these people were malicious. Again, when you create a ghetto and you take a set of people and you centralize them, you ostracize them, you stigmatize them. The people who are not in that group say, "Well, it's kind of

42:41 like, are they the bad kids? Are that is that the juvenile detention group?" And then you say, "Yeah, they're kind of sismatic." They're kind of sis. I got this a lot on YouTube. All of these YouTube channels popped up around Tradition Custodas and they figured out I can get a bunch of views on YouTube if I make a critical video of Taylor Marshall and I use the name Dr. Taylor Marshall in the subject line on YouTube. the YouTube algorithm will take that name Taylor Marshall and then send it to all of his and and people built YouTube channels being critical of me and people built YouTube channels saying that I was a set contest that I was a sysmatic

43:28 um all kinds of and there's people in the world that believe all these things they haven't watched a single video by me but they've seen these other popup YouTube channels and they believe the things that they've heard on those channels And that's another result of the ghettoization of the traditional Latin mass. It's these people are bad, sismatic, said a contest, hateful, rude, holier than thou, don't love the pope, don't love Catholicism, worship a liturgy, don't worship God, etc. Whereas I think if you just walked into, I don't know, Kansas

44:15 City, St. Patrick's Institute of Christ the King. It would be an amazing experience. Beautiful music, liturgy, reverent. Afterwards, people would shake your hand, talk to you. I think you'd have a really amazing experience. just a random just go on a random Sunday and you would think this is not what I heard these people were like on Twitter X, Facebook and YouTube by certain voices. Anthony says, "Do you think the traditional net mass will outbreed the Novas or?" Well, we have to be realistic here. Look, traditional Catholics, we're

45:02 not even we're maybe 1%. Globally, maybe one out of a hundred maybe. All right. So, we're not that big. So, when you look at the and also remember like the church in Africa, the Catholic church is growing like crazy. I think it's like 12% a year or something just astronomical. Also in Asia, right? and and for the most part almost entirely that is the Novas Ordo liturgy there and they're growing and they're breeding. They're having large families. Um our traditional Catholics in France and Poland and the United States of America and Mexico also having large families. Yes, my wife and I have

45:49 eight children. But the crossover is I think you know in not in the remote future. I think probably what's closer and Kennedy Hall had a really interesting video in the last several days on this is the priesthood. I think you're going to start seeing drastic decline in the religious orders. The Jesuits are going to have a huge drop off soon as that that last sort of Vatican 2 postvatican 2 generation begins to die. You're going to see a massive drop off. And people have said I think the like for example the society of St. Pius I 10th will eclipse the size of the Jesuits I think

46:35 by60 which is just a few decades away. So just think about a church where there's more SSPX priests than there are society of Jesus. I think the birth rates the the lay numbers will be interesting. I think lady worldwide will continue to grow, but I think where we're going to see problems particularly in the west is in priestly vocations and the priestly vocations are the young priestly vocations are more conservative, more traditional and they are interested in quote unquote old rule chess. They like the traditional Latin mass. They did not grow up during the liturgy wars. They did not grow up during Vatican 2 where hearing mass in the vernacular and receiving the Eucharist in the hand was

47:21 like the coolest thing ever. They didn't experience that. what they've experienced is sort of a fractured confusing Catholic experience where the novasordo can look like maybe very reverent and orderly where they grew up and then when they go to college it's or they move to a different se city that liturgy is radically different and they start to notice sort of these these fractures and these fissures and they're looking for something consistent. They're looking for stability, especially as they get married and start having children. I've noticed a lot of these young couples been married less than 3 years, they show up at the

48:07 traditional Latin mass. They're having babies and they're plugging in there. They like that. So, the outbreeding thing long term, yes. Obviously, if you have a group of people that that believe contraception is a mortal sin and then you have a group of people that don't think it's a mortal sin, the pe the group that that doesn't practice contraception will grow faster and it will produce more vocations. Thank you, Anthony. Another super chat from Grover who made me Catholic. More traditional Latin mass restrictions in Charlotte, North Carolina. The poll is coping. What do you mean the poll is coping? Which poll? But yeah, there's been more restrictions

48:52 in Charlotte and I think this is a great opportunity for Pope Leo the 14th to intervene and say, "Hold on, Charlotte, North Carolina. Hold on. Let these people have their traditional Latin mass at their parish. It's not hurting anyone. No one's becoming set contest. No one's becoming You want to make set contest, you want to make sismatics, keep pressure cooking these people. And that will happen. But we don't want that to happen. All right? Just let them pray. Let them exist. If there are priests willing to do it and there are lay people and they're paying the bills and they're supporting the parish and they're supporting the dasis, let them

49:38 be. Let them pray. You don't have to hyperregulate this stuff and shut it down and isolate them and exile them out of the city. So, it's a great moment. I hope Pope Leo the 14th takes that moment as a teaching moment for the whole church and just says, "Hey, it's okay. Let them be." Philip is back here. I feel like I grew up in the beginning of the 20th century. We recite every night before sleeping. Avi Maristella and my parents haven't been at Latin mass at all. Yeah, these are great traditions. Linda says, "How do I find

50:23 the location of traditional Latin mass? The obvious Google search only gives me one location in a whole state of New Hampshire. Any advice? Welcome." Uh, yeah, you got to do Google searches. I would recommend, you know, look for Google traditional Latin mass. There's Latin mass finder. You can go Fraternity of St. Peter and put in a zip code. You can put in Institute of Christ the King. You can put in SSPX. You can put in um all kinds of things and and talk to other people. And sometimes there's options that may not be advertised online as well. Um, so you know, you know, sometimes there's a traditional Latin mass at 2 PM at a diosis in church that's not advertised. So finding those is is another option. But yeah, you just

51:10 got to you got to mine. You got to dig. Jessica says, "Please do book trilogy and hard cover. Love the series and my paperback is destroyed." So, she's talking about Sword and Serpent. And this is the three-part trilogy. There's actually a fourth. And this is my historical fiction book on St. George and the Dragon. Also has St. Christopher in it. Has um Constantine and a bunch of the early saints like St. Katherine of Alexandria, etc. So if you like take like Lord of the Rings but put it into real Catholic history and instead of like magic and wizard you have priests and miracles and relics and billocation

51:56 and St. Nicholas is sort of your Gandalf figure. It's pretty cool. So check it out. You can get it at Amazon. Sword and Serpent by yours truly Taylor R. Marshall. Check it out. And yeah, we need to do a hardback version. I want to do a hardback version that has like gilded edges like Tolken. I want to do like a Tolken sword and serpent. Thanks for that recommendation for that encouragement. Someone says there's a beautiful TLM in Fitz William uh New Hampshire. So Teresa is already helping other people out here. There's a TLM in Fitz William, New Hampshire. Yeah, you guys got to just ask. Matteo says, "Dr. Teao, I just want to

52:42 remind people the trintine mass wasn't always wasn't said only in Latin. We Crowats had it in church savonic." That is correct. There is a traditional Latin mass in Sloanic. And Archbishop, not Archbishop, sorry, Bishop Athanasia Schneider, who wrote the forward to my book, Infiltration, he has said the traditional Latin mass in Sloanic. It actually does exist. Pretty cool. So, Matt, thank you for letting me know that, letting all of us know that. And by the way, Croatia is a wonderful place. Um, I got to get to Croatia. I love the Croatians. I'm always surprised when my book come when my books come out, there's huge demand for the Croatian translations. In fact, Sword and Serpent is in Croatian and the sequel. Um, so I

53:31 don't know. Croatians are awesome. Love y'all in Croatia. Oh, Philip says he's Croat, too. See, the Croatians are everywhere here. I I must have some like Cro secret Croatian blood or something cuz I have a deep connection with the Croatian people. I was in Paris once and a Croatian brother and sister met up with us and we had coffee and we went to a Latin mass church and just hung out with Croatians in Paris. Love them. All right, super chat here. Please pray Hail Mary in Latin for me. Send. All right,

54:18 we'll pray a hell. Hell, a hail Mary. A Maria for you. Amen. A Maria Gracia Benedict Benedictus or Nator Mortis. Amen. Amen. Thank you for that super chat. And there's your Hail Mary. David Wilson says, "Prayed for you, Sin. See, traditional Latin mass Catholics are nice people, praying for people, loving people, encouraging people. It's not this sysmatic death cult, right?

55:05 They push us in ghetto, but we ain't ghetto. We ain't ghetto. We ain't gang banging. No, we're just your friendly trades. Big man says, "Bye, though I am English Ukrainian, so there's a preference to the East." Absolutely. If you're Ukrainian, you should be in the Eastern rights. Absolutely. I love it. You know, if you're Greek, I think you should be the liturgy of of St. John Chrysm. You know, we have the Eastern rights and I think there's a patrimony, there's a heritage, there's a genealogy. All of that is important and it needs to be kept. And that's one of the reasons why I argue for the traditional Latin

55:52 mass. It's part of our Roman culture, right? It would be like going to the Melkites and saying, "All right, y'all do the liturgy of St. John. Well, we're going to change that by 15% and we're going to enforce it on y'all." And they're like, "Well, we don't want to do that. We're going to do the old traditional." That's kind of how I feel about in the Roman right. Right. Um, I'm not saying that the novas ordo is in invalid. I'm not saying that it's bad. I'm just saying I wanted to go by the old way, the traditional way. That's my preference. I want that. I think it's better. I've prayed at both. I've experienced both. I grow closer to Christ in the traditional mass. I pray more. I'm

56:39 settled more. I have more peace. I feel like I grow closer to Christ. I feel like I encounter him in a deeper way. That's where I want to be. I don't think I should be ostracized or ghettoized for that. I think that should just be allowed. And if Pope Leo the 14th could just say a Latin mass, get us back to something like Simorum Pontificum and just say, "Yeah, you know, you like you're you're growing there as your pope. I bind that. I think that's great. I think that's great. just keep praying for me as your pope. I I don't understand why that is controversial or radical. Liam says, "Have you taken a 23

57:25 and me?" I took one of them. I don't I don't know which one, but I don't have any Croatian in me. Sorry. Um, how did the beasting work? So, y'all probably saw last week I had one of my bees from the brown hive sting my knuckle. Worst thing ever. Big mistake. I should have never done that. Um, I've had bee stings on my forearms, on my back, on my ankle. They usually create a little welp and they go away in about 48 hours. I still have, you probably been seeing me rub it. My hand swoll up to a big fat baby hand. And I called my doctor and he said the back of the hand is a horrible place to get stung because there's no fat, no muscle, no tissue. Um, it's just ligaments and

58:12 bone and you got the carpal tunnels and it doesn't drain. So like I've been stung on the palm and that goes away within a day. But on the back the bee venom does not drain out. So my hand swoll up. It was so painful. The first night I didn't sleep well. The second night I didn't sleep hardly at all. horrible pain. Worst beasting experience of my entire life. I would never do it again. Now, I haven't been sneezing and I haven't had runny eyes, so maybe that worked. But I should not have allowed the B to sting me on the back of the hand. So, was not was not a W. It was definitely an L. Was definitely a bad experience this time. And I'm talking about for those of you who don't know, I'm a beekeeper. And last week I was

58:59 checking on the bees and I had a be I had a bee sting me on purpose because some people say that when you get stung by a bee, your body has a histamine reaction and it resets your histamine structures which also relates to your histamine reaction to pollen and other allergies. So last year I got stung seven times and I had barely any allergy like pollen allergies the whole year. I was great. This year I was having a lot of pollen allergies and I was like I haven't been stung by a bee this year. So, I stung myself with a bee on purpose, but I stung myself right between the two knuckles right here. And I don't know, you can see the hand's still kind of red. You Yeah, this is red. You can see it. And I'm not even wearing my wedding ring. This is a rubber wedding ring because my gold wedding ring, I still can't put it on.

59:46 It's that bad. It was not a good call. All right, there's some super chats in here. Uh, John, I am putting together a new home altar and would love to incorporate a meaningful relic. Any advice? Yeah, to get a first class relic, it's very difficult. You want to get a real one, a certified one. Um, and usually you get those from priests or someone who has a real relic. They give it to you. You can't buy one. That's a sin. Can't buy a relic. So, you got to just ask around and pray. I'm still praying for a first class relic of St. Thomas Aquinas. I've been praying that for 10 years, 11 years. No one's ever given me one yet. So, I'm still

1:00:33 praying that I get a relic. I have a relic of St. Matthew upstairs. I a first class relic. I have a first class relic of St. Elizabeth and Seatin. And then we also have alleged first class relic, our family of St. Peter and St. Paul. Now, I don't know if those are real or not. They look real. They look verified. We got the Peter and Paul. So we have four relics and then we have a third class or second class relic of Prep Peio and we keep those on our we have uh altars and um places where we pray. We keep those but yeah it's difficult to get to get relics. All right, I'm gonna do um one

1:01:19 more. Is that another super chat? No. Okay, I'm going to do one more general before we close out today. Elizabeth Cronin says, "Thumbs up people." That's right. If you're enjoying today's show, like the video. Share this video right now on X and Facebook. Hit the share button below me on YouTube. Share it on X. Share it on Facebook. You are my algorithm. Thank you, Elizabeth, for that. [Music] and looking at put aloe vera on the sting. Pain goes away. The pain, you know, the pain is bad when you first get stung. I'm used

1:02:04 to it. It doesn't bother me that it's not the pain. It's the 48 hours later swelling that got to me on that beasting because of where it was placed. Antonio, this will be our last one for the day. Antonio says, "Did you hear that during the mass of Pope Leo that communion on the tongue was ordered?" Yes. And a lot of people don't know this, but in the dasis of Rome, in the holy sea, the apostolic sea, uh, communion on the tongue, well, first of all, communion on the tongue, my my my priest on Sunday actually said, he said, you know, I hear this communion on the t tongue, kneeling, communion, kneeling on the tongue. He's like, but that'd be really hard to kneel on your tongue. It was a joke. But

1:02:49 communion on the tongue is the universal practice of the Catholic Church. Rome has given indultts to different nations to allow communion on the hand. But it is not the proper way to receive. The proper way to receive is on the tongue. They give indultts or exceptions to receive on the hand. In Rome, I am told, does not have the indult. So if you receive communion in Rome, you receive on the tongue. Now during Pope Francis, people were receiving on the hand everywhere. But technically speaking, I might be wrong on this, but I've heard it from many people in Rome, the proper way to receive communion is on the tongue, not in the hand. So that makes sense. When Pope Leo had his first mass, they had only communion on the tongue. That is

1:03:34 the Roman way, I've been told, even to this day. So thanks for bringing that up, Antonio. All right, everybody. Thanks for watching. I hope you enjoyed this. I hope the analogy of chess, old rules, new rules, and the analogy of a ghetto, ostracized, stigmatized, centralized. I hope that analogy is helpful. I hope if you are in a traditional Latin mass parisher community, I hope that it gives you hope and I hope it also encourages you not to be radicalized. Don't let the stigma, don't let the the fact of being ostracized burn you out. And don't let it make you become bitter or reactionary, right? Be happy. Be glad.

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