0:01 a Pew research uh conducted about uh a global global survey um conducted to to uh see what attitudes towards Israel and its prime minister are showed something not really surprising. Uh most people are anti-Israel depending on the country they may be more anti-Israel or less less anti-Israel. I mean some of the most concerning ones are not. for example, the fact that 93% of people in Turkey are against Israel because uh if if you if you're basically uh putting your hopes for the future on Turkey, uh we're kind of screwed. Uh in the US though, uh 53% of respondents said that they hold a negative opinion of Israel,
0:47 uh which is an 11 point increase from 2022 already sounds a bit high. And and again where you know this is where our hopes should lie is the United States of America. Uh yeah in in some countries of course it is much much worse. We will go through the numbers and discuss it on today's show and uh try to figure out what uh what this means and what we can do to combat it other than uh sharing the Iron Man Center UK's content. Welcome to the reality show. Uh I'm Rosie Ginsburg. I'm joined by Daniel Krauss and Adam Mosaf. Adam, your first thoughts when you see that uh that survey. Yeah. So um you know, I would be interested to know if the survey also uh
1:34 dug a little deeper into uh into some uh in a more granular level distinguishing between Democrats and Republicans. Um because my suspicion is that support for Israel uh has gone up among people who affiliate or associate with Republicans. Um and support for Israel is near zero now uh among almost all Democrats. Um and this is really kind of rep representative of the fact that you know it is this kind of woke um leftist intersectional perspective on the world that there are the oppressed and the oppressors and you can understand every system through that and they're and so and this old kind of Soviet uh style propaganda that Israel
2:22 is this is this capitalistic you know white colonial uh colonizer uh oppressing the the the local natives who are the Palestinians, you know, has really taken hold g especially given through that framework that has come to dominate um almost the entirety of of the left in the United States um and some of the the populist right. I shouldn't say it's just not just the left. Uh before I go to Daniel, Adam, I want to ask you because you know the Republican party has uh let's put it nicely, not gotten better uh in recent in recent years, but the democ Yeah. What you're pointing out in the Democrats is really terrifying. I said on a show recently, and I think some people were unhappy that the best, you know, quarter of a century, quarter of the way into the century, the best
3:08 president America has had so far this this century is George W. Bush, which is really that's in my opinion uh is really really a scary a scary thought. Um it's I remember looking at politics and thinking, okay, the Democrats are are, you know, pretty bad. Uh the Republicans uh the ones who are likely to be, you know, potentially the next presidential nominee are also pretty bad. But there are some voices that sound semi-reasonable. And also among the Democrats, there were the occasional, what are they called? blue something. I don't remember what what they were. There was some name for Democrats. Blue dogs. Blue dogs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That are like semi-reasonable. I don't know if those still exist. Uh yeah. Yeah. What do you think of that assessment? Uh
3:55 generally. Yeah. I mean, so it it I think that's I think that's generally right. I mean there you know um the I mean the so it's it's it's a little hard especially for objectivists because you know a lot of support for Israel comes from of course uh religious conservatives who support Israel because of the connections with Judeo-Christianity um you know Jerusalem and kind of Israel's connections uh to that that area and that land specifically you know, in the Bible. Um, you know, I've had objectivists point out to me like, well, you know, the only reason why, you know, the conservatives right now support Israel is because of the religion. And it's like, yes, that's
4:41 true. Certainly for some of them. I think others actually do recognize that Israel is also a beacon of Western civilization and a incredibly barbaric dark area uh you know, dark like dark ages of the uh of the world. Um so uh but you know we also have to hold context like even the things that are said correctly by Democrats sometimes about you know freedom of choice or you know and um you know you know um uh and other and you know free speech and things of that sort at times right they don't fully understand it either they're not arguing these positions because they believe in individual rights and that that these are rooted in you know absolute individual rights that need to be asserted against the state just as much
5:28 as asserted against other individuals and things of this sort. So I mean we we you know we reached a situation in the world today where we're kind of stuck between you know opposing forces that fundamentally agree on a lot of foundational collectivist premises. Yeah. Uh thank you PC for the super chat. PC says Razie Bush is a liberal lol. And later on PC says George HW Bush was way more conservative than his son is. So, I don't agree with the use of either of those terms. First of all, I wish he was a liberal. Uh, the people who call themselves liberal in America are anything but liberal. And I don't see conservative as a positive thing. Uh, there are things, you know, that maybe should be conserved and there are things that absolutely should not be. Uh, and yeah, I mean, uh, we were
6:13 talking, I think over the weekend, uh, with Mark, right? I was talking about like political slogans and uh I remember George HW Bush was one who had a slogan that was actually uh to the point you know it wasn't hope and change you know make America great again it was read my lips no new taxes like that's a that's a statement of course he raised taxes but uh you know we've uh come a long way in many many uh unfortunate ways Daniel yeah I I mean just to comment on the liberal thing I mean again it really depends how you define liberal technically every single American president was a liberal if you define it as sort of like support of liberal democracy sort of support for separation of powers and in that way I and I sort of agree that it shouldn't be associated with the left because it's like a good
6:59 concept that we shouldn't let the left steal as they did with many other things. So uh but yeah Adam has earlier mentioned if there is like a difference. So in this uh survey they did make a difference. They didn't do democrats republicans. They did right versus left. And uh America had one of the biggest like differences like 44 point the difference between the right and the and the left. So 74% of the left view Israel as unfavorable uh as uh uh compared to 30% of people on the right. Uh so yeah, there's definitely and it is one of the biggest uh uh sort of splits and uh it it is truly something that is kind of baffling. I think Democrats are really
7:44 uh sort of like failing almost themselves by associated with the radical parts of the left so much. Like if you really think about it, they pretty much lost election because uh the Camala Harris was viewed as too pro-Israeli. Like many people would rather vote for like Jill Stein because Kamala Harris was too pro-Israeli for them. Once you have like a political party that is like this sort of like like divided between sort of like what is let's say like the core of the party and sort of the radical elements and they are still giving in to the radical elements. I think that really sort of will uh sort of like destroy the party from within. So I can understand why uh many people especially people who are
8:30 pro-Israeli and again you even have to define what pro-Israel means because if if we if we say pro-Israel what we mean sort of like Israel properly establishing itself in Gaza finishing the war properly there's not that many who are really pro-Israeli. If you really if you think just uh pro-Israeli just means sort of you believe in the existence of the state of Israel, then you have much sort of like bigger parts of uh uh of uh American society being pro-Israeli. That's why I think now that Israel is establishing itself more where it's being a bit more active in Gaza, the support goes down because they do not really support Israel in that regard simply as the the sort of like existence. I mean, there's a quote from Joe Biden. I mean, he's been in politics for way too long. And there's a quote
9:18 like decades ago when he was like, "If there was no Israel, we would have to establish Israel." Like, he was viewed as like one of the most Israeli sort of pro-Israeli people on the democratic side for a long time. Um, let me just quickly get to the super chats. Thank you, PC, for another super chat. PC says, "Razi, do all these people love Palestine then? Uh, if you mean what the presidents we were talking about, I don't know what where they stand. I mean, George uh George Bush senior did uh force Israel into the Madrid conference that started the so-called peace talks and and of course part of the uh part of the way that the US got Israel to participate is by putting out some statement that the US
10:04 is against the creation of a Palestinian state. Of course, that didn't last because that is a statement that one president can make and then the next president can uh take away. Thank you. Uh thank you Jonathan for the super chat. Jonathan says, "Adam, like Dr. Peacoff is the type of professor you wish you had in college." Absolutely. He's the type of professor I wish I could go back in time and actually go to college in order to have such a professor. Uh so let's hear from Professor Masov. Thanks. Yeah. Uh yeah, you know, um we're we're so a couple quick things. So from the from the United States right now um a lot of people don't realize this is going through what what uh is
10:50 sometimes referred to as a political realignment where very the very because since we have two parties in the United States they're big tent parties and and they so they tend to involve lots of different types of groups of people who care about different things and people tend and the way that these parties work politically is that people put like some issues that they really care about on the you know say well okay I'll I'm willing to set these aside at the moment because I'll join with you on this other issue and the United States historically has gone through these points in time every 30 or 40 years where it goes through a political realignment where the respective focuses of the particular parties shift and voters who once voted for one party start voting for another and vice versa. This happened in for
11:36 instance in the 1820s and then again in the 1850s when the wig party collapsed and the Republican party came into existence. So happened in the 1960s and and and early 1980s with the rise of the of the blue dog Democrats, the conservative Democrats where where where you had a kind of this classic voting block of Democrats in the south because the Democrats were originally the party of racism and still to this day actually but but the uh but the party of racism and support of slavery and they shifted the Republicans uh you know through the 70s and 80s given various shifts. We are going through a political realignment again in the United States. Unfortunately, each time, you know, the the realignment is occurring around really bad premises, right? You know, um and uh and often does. Um and so
12:25 it's the, you know, I I think it's it's important though to always remember that, you know, yeah, I mean, Biden sometimes says pro things about Israel. you know, he was also known as not a fan, not a fan of Israel when he was even a senator 30 or 40 years ago. There's a there's actually um a meme shared of Manakin Bean basically, you know, uh talking to or answering questions from from Senator from then Senator Biden in the 1980 early 1980s where he basic, you know, he's he where, you know, Biden was doing his finger wagging at him about about Israel and what was going on in Lebanon and stuff at that time and he was like, "Look, you know, I'm not some weak need Jew who's, you know, appearing before you right now begging for your approval. you know, we we will do what we need to do to stay
13:11 alive. Um, you know, and I have had a lot of people say to me, well, you know, after October 7th, you know, Biden said he was a Zionist and was supporting Israel. And I said, yeah. And then he spent and then immediately after that, he spent the next year and a half doing everything in his power to undermine and stop Israel from actually taking the appropriate responses that it needed to do, including imposing an arms embargo on them, lying about the arms embargo. Finally, when N then Yahoo came out and said there was an arms embargo, he admitted it was. Then still lied about the scope of it. He said, "Oh, it's only the big bombs. It was." And then later, of course, it comes out, no, they were embarguing even like ammunition and everything that they were like actually calling them up and stopping them from taking particular actions. Biden stopped uh Netanyahu from striking Iran's
13:58 nuclear facilities after the first rocket attack. Um so, you know, and of course now Trump is holding Israel back too. So I mean it's just you see both you see all of the you know this occurs on both sides of of of the existing political spectrum which objectively is not the right political spectrum. Political spectrum as we know should be individualism, freedom, capitalism versus collectivism and statism but right now we're on a political spectrum of statism and and different degrees and variations of that. Yeah. Um Daniel, do you want to go first or should I Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. if I can just jump in because I feel like maybe I I sounded like I'm saying like Biden is this like pro-Israeli guy cuz uh yesterday we had a talk with Kitwina and
14:45 he mentioned one of sort of like Einran's uh uh sort of concept and is the idea that when things are muddy when things are illdefined when things are not defined that's when the evil wins right so that's why sort of like being pro Israel being sort of like what Israel means has to be defined because you can say you're like pro- Israel and And you know, like Chuck Schumer call for uh getting rid of Netanyahu because he's not in our interest or the fact that like yeah, Biden famously hates Netanyahu uh and you know, sort of like we are not the biggest fans of Netanyahu either, but sort of like calling for like a removal of a head of state of a your supposed ally. That's like a crazy thing uh to to really put out there. So, it has to be defined what pro- Israel
15:30 means. And uh uh the fact is that very few people define it. They just say they just have some vague notion of like Israel should exist, but it shouldn't really do anything in Gaza. It did way too much. So it should both sort of like it's the same thing that we have been doing when it comes to conducting our wars, right? We we're never fully recognizing what is the enemy. We're never fully recognizing what is the goal. We don't really know what is like the the point even of American system. we just sort of like go through the notions and see where we uh end up without sort of like ever defining anything. So that's why uh often times uh it's it's always funny to hear people like Mani Hassan, I'm not sure you know him, when they say things like there are
16:16 no pro Palestinian voices on American media and when I hear that it's like what are you talking about? But but for them it's like a as soon as you believe like Israel should even exist that's you are being pro is too much pro-Israeli. So that's when concepts like really have to be defined because otherwise people just can run away with anything. Um okay. Yeah. Oh yeah. I wanted just to follow up on that with Yeah. When when I say Bush was uh the best president in this century so far and people are upset with me, I'm not saying he was good. I'm saying all the others are so much worse. And one of the one of the examples or or at least worse. One of the examples is yeah, Bush responded to 9/11 by saying
17:03 Islam is a religion of peace and then, you know, going to war for regime change in a couple of countries that was easy to get a coalition around. But his regime change was, you know, in Afghanistan and Iraq. Biden's regime change was Israel. That's uh that's that's where we've come. And yeah, I think Trump certainly uh even with his current attitude toward Israel is an improvement on this uh specific point, but not the improvement uh we'd like to see. Thank you, Nomad, for the super chat. Nomad asks, can anyone discuss Ran's opinion on Israel? Well, um let's uh let's actually read Einran's opinion on Israel. Okay. Yeah, he's got it. I have this book right next to me mostly because people because I read the part about Iran, but uh yeah uh this is from uh the
17:50 Q&A in the Ford Hall Forum talk in 1973. What should the United States do about the Arab-Israeli war? And this is her answer. Give all help possible to Israel. Consider what is at stake. It is not the moral duty of any country to send men to die helping another country. The help Israel needs is techn is technology and military weapons and they need them desperately. Why should we help Israel? Israel is fighting not just the Arabs but Soviet Russia who is sending the Arabs armaments. Russia is after control of the Mediterranean and oil. Further, why are the Arabs against Israel? This is the main reason I support Israel. The Arabs are one of the least developed cultures. They are still practically nomads. Their culture is
18:36 primitive and they resent Israel because it's the sole beach head of modern civilization uh modern science and civilization on their continent. When you have civilized men fighting savages, you support the civilized men no matter who they are. Israel is a mixed economy and climb towards socialism. But when it comes to the power of the mind, the development of industry in that wasted desert continent versus savages who don't want to use their mind uh their minds, then if one cares about the future of civilization, don't wait for the government to do something. Give whatever you can. This is the first time I've contributed to a public cause helping Israel in an emergency. Wow. Every word of that is amazing. and every word of that other than the Soviet Union, although Russia is still relevant
19:23 is is relevant today. Adam, uh, Daniel, that was 1973. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I Yeah, entire gosh. Um, you, as the kids would say today, you brought the receipts, uh, Rosie on Ran's support for, uh, Israel and and and it's exactly right. I mean, and, um, you know, and and it's even more so now because it's become more free. I mean, so it was so much more socialist back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. And you know, it's become much more of a it's still mixed, but economy, but it's still it's a far more free economy now. It's a far more prosperous uh country. It's a far more successful country. Um especially compared to the, you know, the the uh the you know, the barbarians
20:09 that they're fighting and you know, the Arabs that they're fighting. I refuse to use the term Palestinian because that that was as I I've mentioned before, you know, that's that's that is a Soviet propaganda uh uh from the early 1960s that they crafted um when the Soviets decided as Ran describes and she says you're fighting the Soviets uh to frame you know the you know the what was going on in the Middle East as as this you know as c you know we're helping the local uh you know the the local oppressed natives versus the col the colonial capitalist oppressors. And they helped craft this whole, you know, framing, this uh propaganda framing of the Palestinians. They're Arabs. They're
20:54 just Arabs. They're Jordanians and Egyptians. Uh which by the way is even kind of somewhat fake too, coming from various colonial country or you know, countries that were created by England and other European countries. But still they're just Arabs and you know so and that when looks at the comparison of what you know what happened like you know that what they could have created in Gaza and they got billions and billions in aid from the United States and Western countries and all of that money went into building a massive terrorist tunnel structure and and regime dedicated to the genocidal destruction of of of the state of Israel. uh as October 7th has shown and as the October 7th war is in Gaza has shown for
21:42 the past 18 months. Yeah. Um thank you PC for uh another super chat. PC says, "Razi, my mom's first husband was an Arab. He disliked his culture from Egypt. He moved to the US." Yeah. And and uh this is also why I I haven't looked into it. I don't know how comprehensive Trump's uh new travel ban is. It makes sense generally, but it it should provide for some mechanism where you know the best people in these countries are of great benefit to us if uh if we could get them. Uh and I hope uh I hope that that can be done. Daniel, yeah. Uh I haven't checked the sort of Trump's things uh also but uh if it's a travel ban that could still mean that sort of uh the uh what you call them
22:29 like asylums might still be sort of like available which is sort of like what you might care for uh the most especially like people fleeing from persecution. Uh now sort of like Anna mentioned that you know I also wanted to mention that Israel is now sort of like more more modern sort of like less uh uh sort of status than it was before but also important to see that the Arabs in the region are much more savage than they were before. Israel used to fight against like nations where it could wipe out the army. It could quickly like uh get some strategic goals and it was able to basically finish the war. Now the population is so embedded with Hamas. Population is so like radicalized and is so uh basically bought into the ideology
23:16 that even you know 600 days into war, Israel is still not able to really establish itself and the Palestinians or the Arabs in Gaza are still fully with Hamas, are still supporting them, are still not surrendering, are still not uh hoping for any sort of difference. And the fact that now it's uh like Israel is a bigger pariah than it was in the past. That's what's uh you know if was alive that I'm wondering what you would like what can you even say about uh you know like you when you really think about sort of like how bad things were in the 60s and 70s but realistically how in many ways they are so much worse uh today where the the sort of like the the
24:03 moral travesty if anything of the fact that countries like Israel and in some cases like Ukraine right do not have like not even talking about like material support but in many cases like moral support to fight against like dictatorships to fight against like uh these civilizations whose whole purpose is simply to wipe out any sort of resemblance of western any sort of resemblance of modernity. Yeah. Yeah. you know uh when when Iran answered that question, Arab countries uh were you know had uh appropriated the oil that westerners discovered and then sold it to the westerners who discovered them. Uh so we were basically trading with them uh but you know for for stuff that
24:50 they didn't they they have no right to. Uh we've we've taken it uh up a notch with the Palestinians. there is no trade and it was always been a one-sided like this this you know Gaza was the uh highest per capita recipient of uh of so-called humanitarian aid before October 7th. Uh it's it's a gift for being backwards. Uh that's what it is. And and again uh Rand was very clear on why uh coming from her rational perspective. This is obviously uh the choice is very very clear and uh when we go back to this survey it tells us a lot about how uh about the cultures we live
25:36 in. You know, there was this great talk by um uh by Barry Weiss about a month after October 7th, the last line of defense, and she does say how, you know, the the you could tell where a culture is headed by how it treats the Jews in that culture. Uh there's more to that talk. Daniel, I don't know if you have it can put it in the in the chat, but yeah. Uh some of the countries, I'm going to skip some of them, but let's look at the numbers. Uh in Japan, for example, 79%. Now, I don't I I don't know Japanese culture well enough. I I do know it was much worse and then they lost the war and now they're better. So, it's maybe only 79%. Netherlands 78% is a very big surprise because uh the enemy
26:22 that Israel is fighting and clearly they don't see it that way, but is is uh you know an enemy that the Netherlands should realize exists in in their midst. Um, yeah, in the UK, by the way, uh, 61%. It's not one of the higher countries, but it is still terrifyingly high. Have a negative view of of Israel. Uh, yeah, Adam, what what what when we when you look at these numbers, what do you think of uh where where these countries are going to be 5 10 years from now? Yeah. Well, that is so it's always hard to make a prediction where a country's going to be. There's so many factors that go that come in uh come into into play, but um yeah, I mean, look, it's you the
27:10 speech that you you you you described by Barry Weiss, by the way, is this talk that she gave in Washington DC. Um I that kind of inspired me to start speaking up about these issues. Um and uh um incredibly insightful, incredibly uh meaningful um talk uh and uh very uh and a very moving talk and it's and and and she ends it with calls of action specifically. Um so that's it's not it's not just a complaining talk. Uh it's a you know let me talk about how bad the world has become. Um you know and uh you know so I think there are a lot of things that are going on here right? So first of all, you know, what one sees especially in in America and especially
27:55 more so even more so on the left um the political left, the the Democrats uh as we define you know as they define themselves political left um you know that uh you know the role of altruism here, right? you know that the role of you know the you see people driven towards thinking well Israel is this successful country and it's powerful and here are these weak you know weak uh uh Arabs in Gaza and in and and in um in Samaria and Judea uh which you know Jordan called the West Bank after Jordan lost the 67 war uh and um uh and you know so we there's a you You have a duty to help them. You have a duty to sacrifice for them. You have a duty to
28:42 do these things for them. And you know, and if they attack you, right, then you you know the good the good response is to turn the other cheek, right? You know, to not not respond or to respond quote proportionally. Uh which means you pin prick them back and then you step back and don't do anything else. Um and so you can see you know the role in which kind of altruism both as an individual moral uh theory and kind of it's in and in society more broadly in a culture is really um you know disarming the pe people's ability to recognize why Israel is good and why it should be defended. um you know and Iran made this rec identify this not just about Israel but about America and about and about
29:27 you know the America as a beacon of western civilization and everything that's good about western civilization and it's not a coincidence at all that all of the anti-Israel pro- Hamas activists in the United States hate America right they're burning American flags just as much as they're burning Israeli flags they're calling for the destruction of America just as much as they're calling for the destruction of Israel. And as just as Inran said in 1973, you know, that Israel is fighting basically a war against the Soviet Union, right? Israel is not fighting a war against Hamas. Israel is fighting a war against the leading representative of the anti-western ideology that currently exists as an ideological force in the
30:15 world and that is in Iran and that is this kind of the is this Islamic totalitarian jihadist attitude uh attitude that is a holdover from kind of the you know you know middle ages what Christianity used to be in the middle ages Islam is now um and you know and it is a you know, and it it strives to destroy all of, you know, capitalism, success, happiness, freedom, um, limited government, and all of these entities that we talk about, Hezblah, the Palestinian Liberation Front, uh, Hamas, uh, you know, the Hoodis, who literally are barbarians in the desert firing, you know, firing, you know, uh, ballistic
31:01 missiles, like you know, there is only one way that they are able to do that. Iran, right? And and then like countries like Qatar, which is, you know, just it's it's just a criminal state, right? It's just a bunch of thugs, but they've been given millions and millions of dollars, right? Uh both from their oil money, which Western companies helped them discover, and funding fund more additional funding from Iran. So um so this is you know I think this is what we need to recognize and identify is that this is a fight for civilization and Israel just as much as it was a beach head in that fight for civilization in the 1960s and 70s in the fight against the Soviet Union Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore and Putin is not a communist he's just a dictator he's just a thug right um he doesn't stand for an
31:47 ideology countries and entities and cultures that stand for an ideology are we especially in anti-western ideology are the threat and we we are facing that in uh in an incredibly nihilistic uh um uh culture and threat from this kind of Islamic uh threat from Iran primarily and Iran should have been the country we should have taken out after after 9/11 because they were ultimately the driving force behind that attack even though the terrorist in that in that attack came from Saudi primarily from Saudi Arabia. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Iran. Uh, I would put Saudi Arabia on the list. I'd put Qatar on the on the list of potential targets. I mean, the Qatar point is is an important one. Yeah. They are a bunch of
32:34 thugs. They are, you know, they're gifting America a a plane. By the way, 747, they make safer planes nowadays, but uh, you know, they're gifting a plane that they could afford with the money that they from the stuff they took by force from America. It's great when somebody buys you a gift with your money. Um, yeah. Uh, to the by the way, Rozie, I want to I you mentioned Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is a really interesting scenar case right now. I would agree with I would have agreed with you 20 or 30 years ago about Saudi Arabia that you know, but one of the functions or reasons why Hamas engaged in the October 7th attack was to stop the treaty that was being drafted at that moment between Saudi Arabia and Israel. And Saudi Arabia is starting to
33:20 liberalize. They're allowing women to drive and have jobs and they're, you know, and they've banned actually all of these radical Islamic terrorist organizations, right? And by the way, the UAE is another really great example to show you like this isn't a there isn't something intrinsic to Arab. It's this is a cultural issue. This is an intellectual issue. It's an ideological issue because like the UAE is a really good country, right? And it shows you that you can have a good country like that in the Middle East. Um, that is far more it's I mean it's it's still not, you know, completely free and it's not completely western, but it's about as close as you got of any other country in the Middle East as far as far as I know. I could be wrong about that. So, I I actually had a a very interesting
34:05 conversation about the UAE last night, and I uh agree it's the best of the Arab countries, although that is not exactly high praise. Uh but it's still you know we still the story I bring up and there were been have been been a few stories uh in uh in British media about you know women uh who went to Dubai on holiday got raped went to the police to report it and got arrested because they had sex outside of wedlock which is illegal regardless of whether or not you consented. Uh you know they they talk about not having crime but they you know don't say what exactly it is they do to anybody who's suspected of a crime. So it's still it's still a dictatorship. Uh you know and I somebody the person I was talking to was also saying yeah you know they're on a journey and I really hope that is uh what's going on and I
34:52 acknowledge the fact that you know in countries and I gave the example of Iran. Iran is not uh anywhere near what the UAE is. But populationwise uh we know that if the current regime falls it might you know we we see people in Iran risking their lives protesting against the the their totalitarian government while we see people in the west protesting demanding totalitarianism and there could come a day where we're all refugees in Dubai. But uh I at the moment like I I I uh I'm not one to get in on the ground floor so to speak the Dubai experiment and with Saudi Arabia as well. You remember you might you might remember this before October 7th uh Thomas Freriedman wrote a an op-ed in the New York Times uh saying that Saudi
35:39 Arabia shouldn't uh normalize relations with Israel right now because it legitimizes the Netanyahu government. And to me, I I've been against the Abraham Accords because I think again, you are you are legitimizing, and that's how I think about it. You're legitimizing a country that is still a dictatorship uh by doing so. And I would encourage them to move along in that journey and uh wait until they reach a nicer destination. I say I I think I disagree with you. Well, I don't think I do disagree with you because I do support the Abraham Accords. Um, you know, I think that, you know, what is, you know, and I support it for several reasons. Um, but, uh, but before I mention the Abraham Accords, I want to go back and just mention something real quick because earlier you were like, so what predictions based upon these, you know, these these the,
36:26 you know, these surveys do you have for countries going forward? And by the way, this conversation we're having about the UAE and Saudi Arabia right now reflects how hard it is to make predictions about where countries are going to end up. Because if you had said in tw in in 2005 like Saudi Arabia is going to be normalizing or trying to normalize its relations with Israel, you know, people would have been like, are you insane? Like like all the 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia. They're rife with all of these radical mosques and know they're one of the sources of terrorism in this world. Um but yet you know you know you f jump forward 20 years and you know they they h you know they're they're not a free country but they're moving in the right direction right the orientation is correct I mean you don't countries don't c in cultures especially
37:13 don't change like this right so something that we kind of don't recognize very often is is the the American revolution was really weird historically it's never happened before where you have this radical shift and a good shift shift that fast that quickly where you had that much of a concentration of good people, James Madison and President George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and you know and and Thomas Payne and all these incredible incredible people who had been informed by centuries before that of all of this really good uh thinking and scholarship about natural rights and limited government and things of this sort. Um you know it's it's it takes steps, right? So this is and this is something that you're you know you learn when you're a lawyer especially in common law systems that change is
37:59 gradual you know in occurs over over long periods of time and so you look at the orientation and where you know and I if Saudi Arabia and and countries like UAE are moving in the right direction you want to support that you want to say yes that's good keep going in the direction you're going of course you're not going to become a representative democracy tomorrow um and of course you know you're you're not there's not going to be 100% civil rights uh on Monday even though it's you know it's Thursday. Um but you're moving in the right direction and and um and you want to support that because that's a good movement. And the Abraham Accords I are good not because they're you know g sanctioning these these bad countries. They're good for the same reason that
38:45 the peace accords the peace accords that Israel entered into with Egypt um and with um uh um blanking on the other country there. It was one other country had entered into Jordan, I think. What? Yeah, Jordan. Jordan, right? Ended up being incredibly important, right? because it removed an immediate military threat to Israel and it removed a government that was dedicated to a d to a massive military confrontation with Israel which had been which which which then required Israel to divert a lot of its resources to defense in a way that you know that that that prevented it from moving on out of
39:32 a kind of a non-stop emergency situation. um you know which by the way then correlated with Israel starting to free itself right because when you're in a military emergency where you are surrounded by enemies and you're worried about attack day in day out like you you know it's it's much harder to say well we're going to have a free economy and we're going to let people make decisions because you got to direct a lot of your attention resources to just smear survival. Um, and so normalizing these relationships is a really important step. And there's a reason why Hamas saw that as a threat. Well, not Hamas, Iran, because Iran is directing Hamas, right? There's a reason why Iran wanted to stop that. Um, you know, and I think it's because they they see that that would reinforce the liberalizing influences
40:17 that are occurring in Saudi Arabia, and it would and and it would eliminate another source of an immediate threat on Israel and free up Israel to then focus more on the real enemy, which is Iran, right? So, um, so uh, so yeah, I mean, are are these things perfect? No. But I mean, but having recognition, state recognition of the existence of Israel as a, you know, you exist, which is what Egypt and Jordan did, right, is a really significant step and it's important step. Um, and it gives them local legitimacy and a and and a vo and an additional voice in organizations like the UN and other places where they can continue to fight the the moral fight that they need to fight, which they're
41:02 doing a very bad job at anyway. So, um, okay, some of this is definitely a topic for a different day because I I think the deal the so-called peace deal with Egypt is a disaster to Israel. But maybe maybe you and I will have a one-on-one show about uh, you know, various peace deals on the daily objective at some point because it is it is uh, it's a fascinating topic. Like you said, it was it was it was valid. the let me let me say it was it was the peace deal with Egypt was good up until the Muslim Brotherhood took over um because then then Egypt changed and and they kind of they they they they became more like Iran but they had their treaty with Israel so then they continued that then they did things like supporting Hamas right secretly and quietly and
41:50 things like that. Um well I I had a problem I have a problem with the way it was originally but uh we'll we'll talk about that but but I will say yeah my uh my question about how we can see the uh these trends uh uh what can we expect these countries to become in the future is is difficult in some in some point to some extent when you look at the countries uh that had the most favorable views towards Israel Nigeria is 59% uh Kenya 50% %. I don't know what we can read into that because I don't know enough about uh those society. I don't know pretty much anything about those societies. US 45% again that's that is the scariest one to me. Uh as as I said uh these are
42:36 favorable. Uh India 34% and and you know I I can uh kind of guess why that is in the case of India they kind of face a similar issue. Uh, and of course one that I enjoy is South Africa, 34%. You know, every time we do, we've done a bunch of shows on South Africa. They almost all of them get like 30,000 views or something insane. And and almost all those views are from South Africa. And almost all of them uh basically almost all the comments in those episodes are don't call it South Africa, it's the ANC. And I point out, look, sorry, you know, uh if if you don't like a uh Trump policy, I'm not going to not call it American policy. He is the president and
43:22 that is your country's policy. But I understand it and and uh you know, this this this stat is interesting and and uh also helps uh understand it. Daniel, you were on a bunch of those South Africa episodes. Uh yeah I I I mean that sort of plays in the role of sort of like the difference between the people and the leadership and depending on what system you have those differences get smaller right uh so for example just to mention like Saudi Arabia that that is one of the few countries that's still like an absolute monarchy like the king has and the the crown prince have like all the power they pretty much uh uh uh want to get away and there is sort of like a pragmatic take I think banned the
44:07 current sort of like crown prince of Saudi Arabia has I think at some point he was quoted he doesn't care about the Palestinian issue and uh I I think sort of purely pragmatically they are aligned with the western powers because they have the same enemies right they Saudi Arabia doesn't like the Houthis have fought against them doesn't like Iran has fought against them doesn't like any of this so they are sort of like aligned but then you also have the people and I think the sort of the people of Saudi Arabia. Uh I'm not sure how much sort of like I I think they are pro Palestinian and they are not as quick to sort of like liberalize. But I think that it's definitely like an interesting discussion because I was trying to think of like a country that like went through like a liberal process like purely on
44:54 its own and the only thing I can think of is like United Kingdom that like went through like the whole process uh sort of that wasn't like defeated in a war and then had like an ideology like imposed on it and had to sort of like fight in that. Uh because if if you think of like Taiwan or South Korea or Japan, all of them like did the liberal process like relatively quickly like went from like like dictatorships. All of them were dictatorships and went through like liberal democracies in a span of like half a century which if we can do that with Saudi Arabia that would be pretty amazing. But uh there will be sort of like uh my worry is like I feel like there needs to be a catalyst for like this like great uh sort of move towards uh liberalization which would be
45:40 my biggest worry about Saudi Arabia. Yeah. I mean it's not going to come from so you know so one of the mistakes that was made in the last couple decades is liberalization doesn't come from exposing people to open markets and and prosperity right so that you know that that that was kind of the you know the neocon perspective like oh you know you know free markets and you know and and prosperity of the markets and you know that when people are better off then they then they're they want to become more liberal and they want to become liberal in the in the proper sense of the term classical liberal sometimes it's used you know and um you know more free and you know um and I I think the last you know couple last 10 years showed that that was false that that you know it it has the it had there it it
46:28 has the causation reversed it's the liberalism that leads to the free markets that leads to the you know that leads to the prosperity and if you're not committed to the liberalism ideologically then then the prosperity is not going to create a natural drive or an interest in wanting to be to be free politically. Um you know and where we've seen that is in China, right? China became incredibly prosperous and they're now being in the process of becoming in even more authoritarian um and a threat to the and a military threat uh to the west. So um um but the the studies that in the you know that that Razi is in the is is kind of going through you know in some respects it's it's disheartening and and and um
47:15 and scary um the in other respects you know one might also say like you know I wonder if really if really there has been any actual fundamental change um in what some people really believed um because I you know because the underlying collectivist premises that drove that drive status regimes and the collectivism that drives underlying collectivist premises that are that drive tribalism and ultimately racism and things like anti-semitism um you know have always been there. They're they're not checked. These countries aren't you know fundamentally individualist countries. America was a fundamentally individualist country and it's shifting away from that, right? And
48:03 um and so you're seeing the impact on this. I think what's happened is is that October 7th unleashed and made acceptable expressing again these collectivist premises. Um and so it was became permissible again to say, "Yeah, yay. Hamas oppressed the those oppressed people. Let's stick it to those oppressor Israelis, those quote anti-ionists. Um, you know, so I I was just arguing on on acts with another anti so-called anti-ionist who ultimately said, you know, go to the jack, go to the chambers, you pig. I'm like, all right, there he goes. Once once more anti the once more the claim anti-ionism, anti-ionism is not anti-semitism has been proven. Um, so
48:51 and but that's scary, right? Because because you know the recognition that one should not be racist, right, is you know e even if one fundamentally is inclined to being so because one shares the ideas with collectivism that would drive one to recognize and support racism, the social um taboo on being racist prevents you from acting on it and expressing it. And when that social taboo is is is removed, you know, countries degrade into violence. And what have we been witnessing the past several months, especially with respect to Jews in America and in Europe, is massive more increased violence, anti-semitic attacks, especially in America, which has never happened
49:37 before. I mean, in in a span of of two months, right, we had the firebombing of a of a governor's mansion because he was Jewish by a man who screamed Free Palestine. We had the cold-blooded execution of two Jews in Washington DC by another man screaming free Palestine. And four days ago, we had a man firebomb a bunch of elderly American Jews who were gathered to call for the release of the hostages. One of them was a Holocaust survivor. You who got burned alive uh by him screaming free Palestine. Um you know this is a serious serious problem. Um and it's and it doesn't end well. This is how it starts.
50:22 Yeah. Yeah. And and all all those, you know, the the the the terrorist attack in DC did follow the uh a couple days when we heard 14,000 babies are about to be starved to death. Uh the uh the the firebomb was it it wasn't after the uh um 31 people killed in a massacre, right? But it was around that time. You have it was that it was it was that morning actually. Yeah. So you have the media knowingly promoting Hamas propaganda, knowing what the result is and then seeing the result happen and then doubling down. And that is also terrifying because again the the the the people in the protests and certainly the people committing these terrorist attacks are not independent thinkers.
51:09 They need somebody to move them along to where they are and the media is happy to oblige and uh and that is absolutely terrifying. Uh we have a few minutes left. I want to uh quickly Daniel I'll go to you in a second. I just want to um uh so part of this survey uh that Pew conducted was also there were a thousand people uh surveyed in Israel. Uh and 53% viewed about Netanyao. There's a Netanyahu portion of this which we didn't get to but 53% viewed Netanyahu negatively. Uh now uh Gans one of the I don't know who the formal leader of the opposition but Gans is uh 54% negative and laid is 61% negative. So Netanyahu is basically the uh the one with the
51:56 lowest unfavorable uh uh um result but and this was done in March and uh February and March. So during uh the ceasefire and uh yeah I I I don't know what that says but I do I do know that in Israel I don't think this is uh people understand how serious it is because they keep focusing their efforts on saying look no it's not what you think uh you know you don't understand the facts on the ground no this is not about the facts this is about the values and the values align with the savages and That is what should terrify us, Daniel. Yeah, I I don't think there's much to say about the numbers of like Netanyahu's sort of
52:42 favorability, especially in like a coalition type governments. That sounds like incredibly good numbers, like 47% favorability rating. I I'll take that. uh but but I I mean sort of like separately uh about uh I guess to finish up on the the rise of anti-semitism or the rise of sort of uh open anti-semitism is I I always use the example people might remember before October 7 few years there was a post by Kanye West when he just randomly posted that he's going to go defcon 5 on the Jews and he was cancelled for it he was lost a deal with was it Adidas or Nike he was completely completely like shunned. Nobody wanted to do anything with him. And I always say if only he waited two years, he probably could have
53:27 gotten away with it. Well, well, not probably he he had he has he released a a music song called Hy Hitler and and no and and no and no one blinked and no one said anything other than huh. And the the entire movie song is a bunch of people chanting Hy Hitler. Yeah. People who of course would be gassed to death by Hitler as well. Uh but Yeah, I know. Yeah. Exactly. Like Yeah. Just like the queers for Palestine. Like you would be the first people thrown off the top the from the tall buildings. Daniel, where can people find you? Uh
54:13 you can find me on my YouTube channel, Damn Dan. Uh it's going to be in the description. Adam, where can people find you? Uh, you're interested in this these types of issues on X. Adam Oaf handle. I'm Rozie Ginsburg on X. Uh, we are doing it live. Uh, as Bill O'Reilly once said, uh, on July 1st in Boston. Make sure you join us. The Daily Objective, the reality show, uh, and more at that event. Those two shows will be live streamed. We're going to do that again later this year in California. plan to be there in October. We'll give more details uh when uh when we can. Tomorrow, the daily objective uh how Netanyahu is arming the next Hamas in Gaza. Yeah, I don't know if you hear
55:00 this stuff elsewhere, but you'll hear it here. And um yeah, the UN uh wants to, how do they put it? uh do something about uh fixing the fake news uh and disinformation problem on social media. Uh yeah, uh who do you trust more than the UN to make sure that only the truth is allowed to be uh told? Thanks, Daniel. Oh, I'm Rosie Ginsburg on X if I haven't said so before. Daniel, thank you Adam. Thank you. Thanks everybody for watching. We'll see you back here tomorrow. Thanks. Cheers.
