Bret Hart interview is UNHINGED! (Full Review)

0:00 Hello everybody, James here. So, uh, I'm sure as a lot of you know, Bret Hart has been making headlines over the past 24 hours or so because he was on like a podcast/live show, uh, from the Johnny One Pro YouTube channel or Johnny I either way. Uh but also I was thinking well because there are so many you know headlines and uh bits of news being made off quite a lot of these quotes I wanted to get to the nub of the fact of you know what's real what's not and you know if anything have been lost in translation as far as him being making a joke or uh you know dark humor or anything like that. So here is a full recap of his 1 hour 30 almost show that he did. Now, I can't promise this will be too much shorter, but I'm going to do

0:45 my absolute best and I'm going to editorialize a little bit to even in a couple of cases counter argue some of Bret Hart's points as well. So, let's get to the exact uh nub of the matter and let's go straight from the beginning. So, originally Brett discusses having a part in conceiving Vince McMahon signing Steve Austin. And he asked Vince McMahon uh why would he let ECW signed Steve after he was fired from WCW when the WWF were absolutely desperate for talent and they still had Dink the Clown in the company. Now, I can't remember when Dink was gotten rid of eventually, but I know it was 95, so it was close, if not um overlapping slightly between the ECW signing of Austin and Dink still wrestling for the company. But anyway, Brett then talks

1:31 about how he thought the I quit match was going to suck because Steve Austin uh and he aren't really submission wrestling. I mean, they kind of are, but but also I mean, Ste Steve really wasn't, I Yes, I mean Brett definitely was, I suppose. But also, you're taking away one of the big uh stories in trying to get a pin and uh that's why Brett thought it was going to be a terrible match, but then uh basically, you know, the story, they pulled it off. He also said that with both Austin and Piper when they did the faceoffs at the beginning of the ring, he was biting the inside of his cheeks to stop himself from laughing. Now, Austin said that he'd never bladed before and Brett convinced him to let him do it instead. This is a kind of a cardinal sin really almost to one offer this and two accept it. But if you remember back in the time

2:19 the I quit matches 97, the mass transit incident happened like 6 months beforehand and that all I I was going to say started but I mean it's all New Jack's fault obviously ultimately I guess as annoying as I guess the mass transit kid was but um or perceived to be at that time but you know he asked new Jack to get him some color and that kind of precipitated an awful lot of problems uh that went legal and uh everything else that happened. But this isn't a video about mass transit. Anyway, Brett does it works out really well. Then he starts talking about Rick Flair's uh nutshots. Now, he says he's he's doing the actions and everything, and I'm going to do them for you as well. He says that kind of, you know, up yours kind of motion of a of a nutshot is really crappy. And he says it never

3:04 really hurts, which is basically why people do it with arms or legs, I guess. But he said that the way they did it in Stampede is that they basically you spread your legs and then they kick you with the shin into what basically looks like your balls, but it's not. You sort of extend your toes out and you kick him up the ass instead. So it looks great, doesn't really hurt, and then you go over. And he said he discovered this while at a Rod Stewart concert and some apparently huge girl who he described as about 6'5 started trying to attack him for whatever reason and that she kicked him or was intending to kick him in the balls but then accidentally did the same thing and basically missed his balls and kicked him up the ass instead from the front somehow. And from that I think Brett says that he kind of just carried

3:49 on with that in Stampede and so did everybody else. He also said he got into a fight with this random woman and Rod Stewart saw the whole thing. Now he talks about getting along with Owen. He says Owen I am going to start editorializing in a second, you know, so I'm not just recapping. Uh he said Owen was great as a wrestler off the bat, wanted to get Owen involved in the WWF as early as 8485, but he had no clout at the time backstage. So he couldn't really ask. He said when he eventually got some uh matches for Owen and he Owen actually did have quite a few matches in 86, not of them televised, but um he said that he did get Owen a tryyouts as well in ' 86 that didn't go anywhere. Now, the reason it didn't go anywhere, and this is part of me adding to stuff, is that the same superstars tape, and

4:35 you won't find this in because Brett actually writes about this in his book, but I can't find this in match listings because it was a dark match and I guess nobody was really paying attention. And also listings from the 80s and well, all all decades, but you know, the older they get, the harder harder it is to get good listings. But, uh, the same superstars taping, I think it was Superstars Not Wrestling Challenge. Either way, whatever it was that Owen Hart got somewhat of an official try out because he'd done a few matches beforehand, some as Owen Hart, some as Owen James, which is James is his middle name, so they didn't clash with Bret Hart. Um, he said that despite appearing several times at house shows, it was the same taping that Bret Hart wrestled Tom McGee. And if you remember that whole story, Vince McMahon was, you know, creaming himself so hard over Tom McGee that basically Owen Hart's try out got

5:24 completely overlooked and he never got a call back or he didn't get a call back for a couple of years. And apparently to make things worse, the guy who Owen was working with just described as some jobber said he didn't support him properly on any of his high-flying moves and he ends up falling down and looking like crap in the process. So that's why Owen Hart, you know, he was being looked at in '86, but never really went anywhere until 88, I think it was, when he became the Blue Blazer. Then he didn't really go anywhere at that point either at that point. I said at that point twice, but you know what I'm saying. Brett talks about how he wasn't a tough guy like his father, Stu, and he also had no intentions to fight for real to make a living. Brett also declared that Rody Piper, and this is interesting, was the opponent who brought out the best in him. And um Brett also says that uh he himself

6:10 personally takes credit for most of his greatest matches with Steve Austin and Shawn Michaels and whatnot because basically as he remembers it he was giving about 90% of the ideas to the match while the other guys who were both you know younger and therefore subordinate to him I guess uh pretty much uh listened and followed his directions. But he said that with Rody Piper had more tenure in the business. He was a legend even at that time in '92 and he was the one who laid out as much of if not more of the match. And Brett actually says that he was really relieved that he and Rody were completely on the same page as far as telling the story of said match, not so much the moves because the moves come later, the story and the point of the match comes first. Piper also apparently said to Brett that, "Oh, it could turn out into a shoot out there. You know,

6:56 you never know when I'm going to shoot on you. Just to wind him up, basically." And Piper had also wrestled Brett in enough hotel rooms for real over the years that Brett took that uh quasi seriously if nothing else. Then he actually thought that when he lost the IC title, this is the beginning of 92 to the Mounty just for the Mounty to lose it to Piper, he thought he was being swerved or double crossed by the office until Piper said that he was actually dropping the belt back to Hart. It just goes to tell you just how little the wrestlers knew of their direction going forward at this point and probably still to this day for a certain point. I mean, I've interviewed enough people who said, "I didn't know I was getting the IC belt or anything else until the day of the show." So anyway, he says that Rody Piper passed the torch and that he knew how to make somebody a hero and drag

7:42 that person up to his level. And then Brett says he was the converse to Hulk Hogan and Jake Roberts who never passed the torch to anybody. Here's a quote. All they did is take and take and take and never help anybody. Two of the biggest pieces of in the wrestling business. Well, the Hulk Hogan thing didn't pass me by, but the Jake Roberts issue did. Uh, so uh, back in 93, we're talking Hogan again. Brett felt Hogan had the chance to pass the torch to him and legitimize him as the, you know, the heir apparent to Hogan. Hogan was very selfish in that respect. So Brett Felt and I think a lot of people would feel ends up getting the belt back on himself, takes the shine off everybody else and then Brett uh sorry then Hogan ends up losing to Yoko Zuna in the most

8:28 screw finish in the entire world and then he buries the company later that year in an interview uh in Japan I think where he said that the WWF title was easy to win and it meant nothing to him. It was the IWGP title that was the real prize. But anyway, the thing with uh Jake and Brett, Jake once claimed that Brett and Shawn Michaels were the two worst champions there ever were. Now, I think this is many years ago. There's been far worse champions, of course, in that time. I I mean, even at the time, even if this this was back in 2000, that's a really astonishing claim because it's complete bollocks really, if you think about it in any way. I mean, if you're going to go on drawing power of the worst champions of all time, I mean, there's many transitional champions as well. if we're going to ex, you know, have it down to just the WWF.

9:16 I mean, during that time period in the mid '90s, Diesel was the lowest drawing champion. So, you can't go on drawing ch power. And if you're going to go on match quality, I mean, who can you get more than Brett and Sha to give you the most highquality matches of two of the, you know, most important and celebrated greatest pro wrestlers who ever lived. So, I don't know what Jake was smoking at that time. Oh, well, I didn't quite mean it like that. Some Do you Do you ever keep getting these random calls constantly from mobile numbers and then it's just like a pre-recorded thing just I keep getting bothered. Anyway, um Brett would respond to this uh saying that he knew he wasn't as big a draw as Hulk Hogan, but who was? And then he added, quote, "I think it bothers me that someone like Jake, who never went

10:02 to the gym, if he did go to the gym, he might do a set and then go smoke a cigarette outside, he was not a tough guy, was not a legit athlete. He was strictly a promo and he was a great worker, a great pretend wrestler. But Jake Roberts said something like, "We were too small and we never drew big numbers or anything like that." But I say in response to that, "Where was Jake Roberts?" Hart asked like he didn't like why didn't Roberts take the torch? Why wasn't he there? Well, here's the thing. Now, I'm going to actually defend Jake here a bit as well. Is the mid90s was a terrible time for pro wrestling in general. It wasn't Brett's fault, Shaun's fault, or Diesel's fault individually for a depression in the business. It just Hogan was going away. A bunch of scandals, people just kind of over the wrestling boom. And the wrestling business does prove itself

10:48 cyclical cyclical, if I can say that, over the decades, even though it doesn't necessarily have to be that way if, you know, booking was optimal, but when is it ever? So, here's the thing, though. Jake left the WWF in 1992. In fact, he actually quit in 1992 because originally he wanted to start retiring and getting out of the ring and he wanted Pat Patterson's job. He was at the time the head booker of the WWF and then he was forced to resign over the ring boy scandal accusations and then Vince told Jake for whatever reason that he wasn't going to get the gig of the head booker that Jake had been pining for basically and just I think Vince just said out of respect for Pat we're going to keep the position open I guess and Jake wasn't going to get it. So Jake quit after

11:35 Wrestlemania 8 in 1992 which was the same show as the Brett Hart versus Ronnie Piper match. He went to WCW shortly thereafter but then he was gone quickly and also by you know 929 93 he was a total unreliable mess and his career pretty much I mean as legendary as his career is after 92 he he just sort of for the most part faded into obscurity as almost a what could have been. So, he didn't really have the opportunity, I guess, to pass the torch. I don't know whether he would have or wouldn't have done, but once again, I think Jake's initial criticism of Brett is completely ridiculous. And maybe Brett's criticism of Jake is also a bit unfair as well. Now, uh Brett names Kurt

12:22 Angle as a wrestler he would have loved to have faced. And then all the audience starts shouting out names. Lancetorm gets a yeah, yeah, why not? Uh Brett responds to D. Meeno's name say nah let's leave D Meno at home which I was really surprised I thought Brett would be all over Dean as an opponent. Uh people then start saying El Dandy but Brett doesn't bite on that. Uh but he does say that Rey Mysterio is one he would have loved to have wrestled. He says he loved mass wrestlers but then says Mil Mask look great but he sucked as a wrestler and as a human. Brett then declares Ry might be the greatest wrestler of all time and that nobody could lace his boots and he would have loved to have wrestled him. Now, he also says that by the time he got to WCW, this is Brett we're talking about, he was maybe a bit too old to be where he needed to be to give Ray the best match

13:09 that he could have done. But once again, he I think this is a huge compliment coming from Brett as well. Basically, one of, if not the greatest of all time. Brett says that he begged Eric Bishoff to put him with people like Ry, but Eric didn't. He also said that he would have loved to have wrestled The Rock one more time when he was The Rock and not Rocky Mayavir on a throwaway match on Raw and also John Cena as well. Brett says that he thought that he and John Cena could have done some great business, especially with the US versus Canada thing and says that Cena like him is a true professional because he's seen Cena work out his matches in person and he goes over every single little detail to make sure it's as good as it possibly can be. Then somebody says, "What about MJF?" And Brett says, "Who is that?" And

13:57 then he goes, "Well, you can tell I've not been watching recently." So there you go. Uh, right. He also says AJ Styles, Brian Danielson, two more thumbs ups. He would have liked to have wrestled with. And he also says Brock Lesnar is somebody he would have liked to have battled as well. Brett then says that he always understood that Brock Lesnar was one of uh when he was asked of dream matches that he mentioned Brett as a dream match that's somebody he would have really liked to have worked with and he also said that and Brett also said that he heard that Brock Lesnar was a professional unlike Bill Goldberg because we've always got to say that now Brock knows what the wrestling business is all about whereas Bill Goldberg doesn't know anything about the business now you can always argue that Brock just occasionally, sometimes we'll just do

14:43 what Brock wants to do and nobody will tell him otherwise. I believe that's how he ended up winning a Royal Rumble one year. He just decided he was winning it and everybody else went, "Okay." And then wouldn't argue with him. Uh Brett agrees that John Cena is a modern-day goat and that reminds me just how stupid goat is as a term. If nothing else, one, it's a like a billy goat, and it just conjures up the image of a goat in your mind's eye, but also it's as overused a term as it could possibly be in any endeavor, especially in sports. And it means the greatest of all time, not just one of the greatest of all time kind of things. And everyone always uses it in the latter rather than the former. CM Punk called Bret Hart the

15:29 Wayne Gretzky of wrestling and he agrees that nobody but nobody can be called the goat because it depends on what you like. Now Brett says he can't stand wrestling today. Now this is going to be a big old piece of contention I'm sure with some of you at least, but I I can't imagine the vast majority really. Uh because he says that wrestling today looks way too fake. He still loves watching wrestling from the 1990s and even old stampede wrestling tapes because the punches and the kicks and the presentation are also so much more realistic. Now today's wrestlers are actors pretending to be wrestlers and they don't know how to even do a headlock properly. Everything is high spots and wrestling needs to pretend to be wrestling and he misses the actual wrestling and psychology of 60s and 70s professional wrestling and actually

16:14 pretending it's a real sport first and foremost. And thank goodness he said that because I couldn't agree more. Now, you can complain that this is just an old head pining for the old days. If you're such a new fan that modern wrestling from the past five or 10 or even 15 years is kind of all you know, or if you're Dave Meltzer and you're basically lying to yourself. Now, that's literally his argument uh for people not loving and this is I'm pretty sure of this AEW in particular because that, you know, if you don't like AW and you're complaining about the moves and all that kind of thing and pro wrestling in general in the modern day, it's cuz you're stuck in the past, man. You're not moving with the times. And that's why that makes him such a great fan and

17:00 journalist. And that's why your opinions don't mean dog granddad. Well, at some point you just have to be honest with yourself and accept that wrestling in the 1990s was so much better as compared to the product of today for numerous reasons. And we'll forget about the creative reasons and how there was so much more you could quite frankly get away with at that point which made wrestling so much better as far as storylines and promos go. Anybody who tells you that the Attitude Era or WCW in the 1990s or the, you know, 97, for example, were overrated or is either lying or they're after a reaction or they just weren't watching at the time. Now, and it's not just my era. I love 1980s NWA. I love World of Sport. I love Memphis

17:45 wrestling. And I see that wrestling on the whole was so much more realistic and grounded and entertaining than it is now that it's not even funny. It's just ridiculous how much better it was in the 80s and 90s for me. That's not me being biased towards the wrestling I grew up with though because I grew up in with wrestling from 93 onwards. Uh I'm too young for all the territories and also I didn't get all the territories cuz I'm not even in the right country for all the territories and wilder sport wasn't a territory that was for people who don't know wilder sport was not the promotions name. it was a sporting television block like grandstand or anything like that or I'm sure an American version would be like Wild World of Sports and that the actual promotions were you know Allstar or whatever else now or joint promotions

18:32 for example now once again that's not being being biased I didn't watch these things growing up I can look back at them as an adult and realize that they're better now wrestlers today in the WWE NXT system for an example are specifically taught to only do the moves that they have pre-agreed and practiced in advance for the most part and to be entirely reliable on the producers talking to the referee to tell them what to do and walk them through the bouts step by step. And here's the thing, it's really obvious too what they're doing. I mean, you didn't need to watch WWE Unreal to see that they were getting all these instructions constantly and they were going through their pre-prepared match constantly. And suspending disbelief for me these days is something that went from something you could drop into quite easily to really having to

19:18 force yourself to do every minute of every show. Now the matches are a series of spots. The strikes don't look as crisp on the whole on average. And I'm I'm comparing 90s and 80s. The best compared to the best. And as for interviews and charisma, I mean there is no comparison whatsoever. Name one person in wrestling today that has the charisma of Scott Hall or a prime Ric Flair or Hogan or Dusty or Piper or Eddie Guerrero or a prime Shawn Michaels maybe or nobody gives an as good an interview as a prime heel Brett Hart does today and I am including CM Punk and others in that list. Now obviously you can cherrypick whatever wrestler you like from whatever era in the past to counter argue my point. Bob Backland,

20:04 for example. Now, I've just never been a Bob Bob Backland fan. And there's lots of wrestling from decades gone by that just is way worse than what is going on today on average. And I promise you, some of the wrestling I've seen from decades gone by. And I always say WWF, those shows, I remember when the network was still up and watching loads of the shows from like 778 and they were bloody awful, most of them, apart from the promos. The work itself didn't hold up whatsoever. But once again, I'm not talking the 70s. I'm talking the mid80s kind of onwards to the late 90s basically is my era as well for the most part of of wrestling years that I enjoyed the most. But once again, when you're comparing the best of yesterday to the best of today, I feel there's no comparison. And I'm in complete

20:50 agreement with Brett. the best main event stars, the best midcard stars, the best tag teams, the best enhancement talent. Even the looks of the set designs compared something night 7 to now. I still prefer the ones from 30 years ago almost. Oh, and of course, nobody kicked out of each other's finishes 14 times a match because everyone was so creatively bereff these days. And now that's what every single major match is reduced to. Now, that and stabbing each other's heads with forks as well. Now, I know that Abdullah the Butcher did that back in the day, but you know, at least it was only one person. It was his his stick, and he traveled so much he barely saw him. Now, of course, there are still wrestlers out there who bring the 11-year-old fan out uh of me, but once again, there are very few, and wrestling has changed, and in my mind, and many other people's minds,

21:38 for for for the worse, really. Now, back in the late 90s, they used to claim anyway. 40 million people combined used to watch wrestling every single week. Uh, once again, so they claimed. I mean, it was probably but it's probably over 10 million per year. 33 million people tuned into NBC to watch Hulk Hogan lose the WWF title to Andre the Giant. Now, 2025, times have changed. There's streaming platforms. There's YouTube with all the videos free of charge. There are so many different types of entertainment out there that wrestling is just is not competing against 10 things, is now competing against a thousand things. I get that. But my theory is is that once you become like a real wrestling fan, not just a bit as a kid, then you grow out of it. You're always a wrestling fan and you're

22:23 kind of secretly always hoping for something really good to happen so you can actually get back into it and start enjoying it again. But now on television, and I'm talking WWE, AEW, compared to the '90s where they were claiming 14 million, let's just call it 10 million. But now there's maybe two 2.5 million actively watching wrestling fans in the States. That's a complete guess for me, but Smackdown's now achieving 1.2 million. AW's hovering between five and 600,000, not including HBO Max numbers, of course. And for the most part, I think there's quite a lot of crossover with them. I just there's not that many fans out there actively wrestling, actively watching wrestling, but I think there's a plethora of people out there who are desperate to start watching wrestling again. And that's not because of Netflix or Amazon Prime or Hulu or Disney or Paramount Plus out

23:10 there taking away the retentions. I just think it's because wrestling isn't as good as it used to be. And once again, this is very much me getting on my high horse and not recapping what Brett had said, but I'm kind of kind of um embellishing the point, I guess. But once again, you know, I just think that Brett's completely right. And the reason he can't watch wrestling is the reason that most people who did like watching wrestling don't watch anymore. I think everybody for the most part can agree on what wrestling is missing these days and what they need to get back down to. I mean, get back down to basics. I mean, stop the terrible bad acting in the in the pre-recorded vignettes that just permeate every show. I hate them. I've always I've hated them since WWF started

23:57 doing in 99 where they pretend the camera's not there. Like get everyone to start working on their promos. Like do a one minute promo building up the the match and themselves and stuff. That's a lost start. Ditch the 40,000 high spots for every match. Do a tiny bit of nonp pre-planned wrestling just to make it seem a bit more real. Work on punches and skit kit. Uh I've got the word skits written down here. Punches and kicks and then the acting of the skits which I sort of jumped ahead to. And also, you know, made the matches a little more realistic. Uh, but anyway, that's my little soapbox thing for pro wrestling these days. Bret Hart says that Ricky Steamboat is a great example of somebody who made wrestling look real. Now, once again, you can pull apart everybody's work and say, "Well, the chops didn't look that great." Uh, but uh, but maybe

24:45 the chops look great and in hindsight, but I don't know. I always thought the Ricky Steo chops like that and then just stood there for 10 seconds while they died. I mean, it was all great. It's all pro wrestling and stuff, but uh you know the great arm drags that everyone always lords Ricky Steamboat for, which is kind of weird in a sense because uh it's the person taking the arm drag that deserves as much credit. But anyway, back to the recap. Brett explains how to do a headlock properly. Brett then says it's a bug bear of his that punches these days suck because instead of punching uh pro wrestlers punching, they open their hand at the last second. Sort of like I'll do it slow-mo. that kind of thing and close it again on

25:31 the way out. And then he singles Sheamus out to somebody who does that and it really annoys him and someone needs to take out 10 minutes of their life to tell Sheamus how to throw a punch properly. This is kind of ironic at this point because Steve Austin does that and so does The Rock as well. I mean, two of the biggest stars of all time, but you know, you can once again you can pull apart anybody's work. Brett talks about how the punches about the punches and how they looked like he was hurting opponents when he wasn't. He was kind of hurting them though because he kind of admits well it was actually hurting them a bit. Not enough to leave a bruise though. But he said that the way he would punch his opponents instead of obviously like that with the knuckles is that at the last second he would twist his hand and he would punch cuz he said he had meaty hands back in the day with the soft part of the underside where the little finger is there. So we would

26:16 punch then like that or you know basically sweep through and like brush past their head and uh Brett always described sorry the Undertaker described Brett as throwing rubber hammer punches because they would hit the head and they would hurt a bit but once again he's proud that his matches look real and he never hurt anybody. I think one person has claimed that they did hurt him for real but I can't remember who it was whether it's Honky or bad news brown or whoever it is talked hockey for a bit. I don't care. reflecting on the screw job, which is actually why they were there. Brett says he's proud of his conduct throughout it, and WWF was messing with him for the year after he resigned with the company around what October of 96, I think it was. He calls Vince McMahon a slime ball and a crook and a liar and

27:01 talks about the screw job and Shawn Michaels losing his smile. Now, he says that Sha's knee injury, Brett felt, and he said this many times before, including his book, felt that it was complete nonsense when he lost his smile and he dropped the title without actually losing it to anybody. And me eyes watering now. And then uh he especially felt that Sha was faking the knee injury after Shawn purposely uh after dropping the title some six weeks later, he came in and did a back flip off the top rope and landed on his feet. And Shawn has explained why he did that as well. and his explanation is like the stupidest explanation in the world cuz basically he was just giving everybody more ammunition to think that he was faking the injury and he knew he was doing that as well. So I don't know what his problem was but anyway Brett felt that Vince McMahon had a tear rolling down

27:48 his cheek during that segment. Now, this is where it really gets interesting during that promo, that segment of backstage, whatever. And he says from that he suspected that Shawn Michaels and Vince McMahon were secretly lovers. Now, he thinks McMahon and Shawn really were sleeping with each other because he says like four different times, I'm not kidding. And like like the audience is like doing some incredulous laughter like Cormar and that kind of thing. But he genuinely thinks that there's something like that that happened that was closer to the truth. And that is uh that comes up again in a minute by the way. Now I'm not reading reading all that. I genuinely thought he was saying this tongue and cheek when I was looking at the transcript before I'd watched the show, but he really seemed like no, I'm pretty sure now that's a quote he said and how he basically believes it to be the case. Now, as

28:35 bizarre as this accusation is, he's nowhere near the first person to ever say that Vince McMahon and Shawn Michaels were lovers. Now, Road Warrior Hawk, I believe, used to say that all the time. And a few years ago, I guess people would have thought that to be completely preposterous. But then Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, one of the two, or maybe both of them, told the story that Vince McMahon started recounting his first gay experience. Like this is back in 96, I guess, when they were both in a meeting with him. And at least he started talking about it or at least the first part of it and then he trailed off or caught himself and stopped telling the story or that he seemed and this is as we've realized true with the Janelle well accused with the Janelle Grant lawsuit is that he seems to be obsessed with threesomes where the guys outnumber

29:21 the girls. So I guess you know anything's possible really in that sense. Uh although in this case I'm I'm still not buying that and until we have more concrete evidence or admission I'm still going to on the side of no Vince McMahon and Shawn Michaels were not lovers. Now has wrestling changed for the better after the screw job? And Brett says no despite how much money the business is generating today he feels like it isn't. Now Brett says it with the screw job after he remembers looking in the mirror and wondering if he brought this all on himself despite working nearly 15 years and then being ousted after the screw job. So constantly he said Brett said he was worried uh about a week before the screw job that something funny was going to happen in Montreal and that he knew that the company was out to mess with him. uh

30:08 he appreciates Montreal as a city and the fans residing in Montreal and he calls them you know true wrestling fans of course you know with Leute International and uh you know a strong history of pro wrestling in the city as well how could they not be now he talked about honoring wrestling as well back to screw job and how the business works on trust he says also that he feels that he won the title at Summerslam or was given the title at SummerSlam from the Undertaker in 97 because he felt that he won that Vince McMahon wanted to push him off the top of the mountain before he left. And he also mentions the reasonable creative control in his last 30 days with the company. But he kind of brushes past that. Really something I want to bring up here. David Otunga who used to be with the Nexus in WWE and he's a real

30:54 life lawyer or he's qualified at least uh to make the point or he was trying to make the point that because the contract the contract stated stipulated in the last 30 days reasonable creative control but he I think he said and I've not listened to this but I read a write up is that as soon as Vince McMahon told Brett that he was thinking of breaking the contract that meant he shouldn't have had 30 days creative control and that's kind of like me saying that like I should clean the carpet now because I'm thinking of taking a on it later. I mean it it hasn't happened yet and therefore nothing was breached. I mean you can you can guess anything you want. I I think but you know there was no breach at the time. Also how does one break uh how does one party breaking a contract make the other party's contract completely invalid because surely that's

31:40 what a contract is there for? I mean to uphold the agreements legally speaking in case one party contravenes it. Now, I was going to do a video on that, but I don't have time. And also, it was a couple of weeks when a week or two ago since I read that quote, so I might have got that wrong. But, uh, if that's basically what he said, uh, it makes no sense. Brett recounts also the story of Shawn Michaels saying he wouldn't put him over after Bret Hart's uh, said that he would do put Shawn over. And then he said the lack of respect and unprofessionalism. And he says uh, that would have never happened. Montreal would have never happened if Sha hadn't said that to him. And that is why Brett had refused to lose to Sha. Uh but he would lose to anybody else. He talked about the finale of the screw job, which I'm not going to recount all here, and

32:26 punching Vince McMahon. And that's pretty much it. So, as an aside, I read that Brett may well not have uh tried to sue Vince McMahon for an interesting reason, breach of contract, etc. I'm not talking about kayfape reasons here, but it may have been because after, you know, the bell was rung and he was left in the ring with the rest of the Heart Foundation that he started destroying all the TV monitors and the cameras and basically he was causing hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of damage. So, inadvertently, he may have given Vince McMahon a reason to counter sue and that is the reason why Brett didn't sue Vince McMahon for breach of contract in the first place. out. Plus, he's going to be making $8 million or so in WCW in the next 3 years. And I guess he

33:12 wanted to keep that money instead of give it to lawyers. And I think that's pretty much where this video should end. So, everybody, I know that was kind of me blathering on and recapping stuff. I think it is actually worth the watch. I've never heard of this person who's hosted it before. He doesn't have that many subs or anything, and I've not looked into him, but it is it's worth watching because Brett does most of the talking. Of course, it's not like a a regular podcast kind of thing where, you know, the co-host talks as much as the uh guest. It's actually Brett just mostly talking and addressing an audience. So, it's definitely worth watching and uh getting some of his opinions on stuff because Brett is for me anyway, one of my all-time favorites. I always like listening to him. So, that's pretty much the video I'm doing. I'll see you again for the next