Consciousness And The Absolute / The Final Talks - Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj - Audiobook - Part Two

0:10 consciousness and the absolute by sri nisargadatta maharaj part 2 february 9th 1981 my present state is such that this consciousness and all this physical suffering are unbearable I am prepared to dispose of it right now this is the state of affairs nevertheless people come here and these talks emanate out of the consciousness I am addressing you as consciousness you are the godly consciousness I'm not concerned with your bodily affairs but you listen from the body-mind standpoint it is quite natural I am telling you about the consciousness in my true state if I had

0:58 been aware of consciousness at the moment the body formation was taking place I would have rejected it but at that highest state such knowledge is not there and this body formation and consciousness both spontaneous Maharaj will you please explain how we can dive further into that consciousness how long have you been following spirituality for the last 10 years who were your guides or goos mostly I was reading I had a guru in Delhi who is employing the body and the name given to it that is what I want to discover you need not go in search it will be spontaneous but you have to wait I had to wait such a long

1:44 time to meet you my will wait now understand the subtle difference what you are and what do you understand to be you the body is not you the name is not you the body is the food and you have consumed the taste of it is the knowledge I am that is self the feeling I am that is the love to be how amazing how incredible it has no name but you give many names to it it is the self the love to be that love to be is all-pervading heaven hell country's houses these are all concepts they were rockin earth a concept was employed and buildings were

2:30 built before you conceptualize anything you are even before the knowingness you are you have only to a perceive this knowingness the love to be the self you will be listening to such dialogues only the self in the body has the urge to understand people hasten to this place traveling from distant countries leaving their families for the time being because the self wants to know itself February 11th 1981 I studied the five jeweled ornament I have understood it was a very precious gem and the ultimate product was that diadem I have understood the value of that but I am

3:17 NOT that the five gems are the five elemental body and consciousness which I considered myself to be it is very precious because it has the value of the cosmos I recognize it and in the process of recognition I know that I am NOT that now I rarely speak and when I speak rarely does anyone understand you might collect a lot of words but they will remain with you you are bereft of words and the meaning of words you're not a personality that birth principle which gives rise to the consciousness is not conditioned it has come spontaneously and manifest as consciousness how caught up you are in the world until yesterday

4:05 you did not have knowledge of your existence today you are loquacious you are speaking so loudly and you claim that you are Brahman I know that I have to understand all this play of consciousness and conclude that this is like the child of a barren woman how are you going to catch that child of a barren woman just be in your beingness February 12 1981 nothing in the world is of any use to me that very identity with which you try to understand everything is unreal daily you have to convince yourself about yourself you have to carry out your life first of all assuring yourself that you

4:50 are nothing has happened except the knowingness only a pinprick of knowingness against the background of your innate nature of no knowingness and this is of no help at all I don't have any identity arising out of consciousness presently this body is undergoing a lot of agony dizziness pain all these things are happening at the physical level in spite of this state the dark comes out inspiringly what permits that there is the guna the beingness that beingness not only experiences your visits here but it also experiences various changes in transformations in this body and in the world sometimes I experienced the state

5:36 of lying and some rubbish and other times I experienced that people are worshipping me but that is all in the realm of consciousness I realize this is all the outcome of that earth principle I am we'll the space and the stars feel unhappy about the dirt in the world it is part of the game in that Universal space consciousness is subtler than space you are bent on having knowledge at the most mundane level but whatever knowledge you collect is bound to disappear there is only one truth in the world and that is that everything is unreal I am the unmanifested talking through

6:21 the manifest when the body the mind the vital breath drop off nothing happens only I the absolute Ravel always know knowledge is called for to understand this truth because that knowledge is innate what you have learned here will be your guide the spouting will take place February 13th 1981 I have so many questions to ask that it is chaotic your questions are regarding the concepts of others ask questions only regarding yourself I don't know myself how can I reach that point how can I come to that the fact that you do not know yourself is very appropriate you are not the body

7:09 nor the name of the body therefore how can you know yourself how can I experience myself is it because of the body that you do not see yourself perhaps because I am I am leading you in that direction you are because you are your world is you are lost in the names and titles imprinted on that world give up the habit of labeling whatever you are be what you were prior to the label or title be that is it intuitive not of the mind don't employ the mind do nothing should you not be aware that awareness will be there provided you are you must give up all you have read and heard and just be

7:57 don't be carried away by concepts truth is eternal whatever you can grasp is unreal even your experience that you are is not your true nature you as the absolute are not this i am-ness but presently you have to abide in your i am-ness i feel afraid because you have assumed something as i am which actually you are not that is why you are afraid suppose you find a diamond ring on the road and you pocket it since it is not yours a fear overcomes you when you put on an identity that is not yours you are afraid when you are the peer i am-ness only there is no fear presently

8:44 you are this i am but this i am is not the truth whatever you are prior to the appearance of i am that is your true nature February 25th 1981 each one lives in the world according to certain preconceived concepts whatever spiritual knowledge he thinks he may have achieved he continues to live according to those concepts what is it like to live with no concepts any answer given to you will be a concept how can one know that he is beyond concepts merely to understand without the slightest doubt with great conviction that there is a state prior

9:30 to the arising of this consciousness that itself is sufficient how can one differentiate between just having the thought of it and living it how do you understand anything any knowledge of any kind that you think you have can only be in the consciousness how can the consciousness which came later give you any knowledge about that state which exists prior to its arrival and he thought that you have reached or are going to reach that state is false whatever happens in consciousness is purely imaginary and Allu summation therefore keep in mind the knowledge that it is consciousness in which everything is happening with that knowledge be still do not pursue any

10:16 other thoughts which arise in consciousness what is necessary is to understand we sure conviction is that all is temporary and does not reflect your to state February 27th 1981 could Maharaj speak on the relationship between body and spirit you must get to know your own self this body is not your true nature the principle by which you know I am is your true nature what responsibility do I have towards other people you've built your responsibilities around the teachings which you have derived from the world but what is that you which is

11:02 accepting all the responsibility you must understand that first you are identifying yourself as a body that is not self-knowledge I don't always feel that I am the body when I become still and concentrate I realized that there is more than just flesh and blood there it is a new realization for me have you come to the conclusion that there is no difference between different groups of people except that some people are more greedy and ambitious I like to visit countries meet various kinds of people with different customs don't roam about don't come here either abiding quietude peace stability here you are not engaged in any buying or selling that knowledge I

11:49 am without concepts is a volt or stimulated by the consciousness and peace which emanate from this place that is why it is valuable to be with Maharaj I am NOT able to speak much don't ask questions if you want you may go elsewhere I have been with Maharaj before and I have felt a profound effect from that visit I understood more whatever the experience of feels or thinks is all in consciousness and is not real it is difficult for me to express there is no individual looking at another individual the sense of presence is cognizing other than that there is nothing this state of consciousness

12:34 cognizing what appears in consciousness is being witnessed as a temporary state the alternate states of waking sleeping in the sense of presence are all temporary states that have come upon me I am NOT the states they have all come spontaneously and will go spontaneously no one has any control with them any of these states your true nature the sense of presence is what I feel I am will that remain permanently you must understand that truth is not changeable truth is constant and eternal whereas the combination of these three states has come upon you and were not there earlier whatever is temporary and

13:19 time-bound cannot be the truth it is good as far as it goes that you have identified with this sense of presence but understand that even that is temporary and not your true nature the most important thing for you is the I M just be that and the necessary guidance will come March 2nd 1981 Maharaja's said that he used to think of himself as an individual but now he does not for that would be identification with the body the fact that the body continues even afterward I mean the body is so strong that it can continue for a certain period even after one realizes that he is not Maharaj has said that when this

14:06 sickness started the last traces of individuality disappeared what is your question is the identification with the body so strong I mean is it such a habit that one identifies with the body even after one knows what lies beyond it is not identification as a person as you think the body is an aid for the manifestation of consciousness for experiencing so long as this consciousness exists it needs an instrument without the body consciousness cannot exist in that form what is loss is the feeling of being a separate entity a yani is like an unborn child the consciousness is the child when it is born and the child is sick

14:54 this material objective body is sick the Ani cannot be sick this body instrument is disturbed and there is an imbalance therefore I am NOT able to talk properly nor walk properly only so long as you have a body do you know that you are this applies to all other creatures also when the body is the knowledge I am as also there as the ultimate am I not aware of my being to the absolute the witnessing of this I am this happens March 4th 1981 how did you get this i am-ness did it come spontaneously or did you try for it as the absolute you were

15:40 free from all concepts including the primary concept I am suddenly you were caught up in this i am-ness who did it has it not happened spontaneously yes that is true you did not have this concept I am in the course of the nine months in the womb understand this state of affairs the concept I am come spontaneously and goes spontaneously amazingly when it appears it is accepted as real all the subsequent misconceptions arise from that feeling a reality in the i am-ness try to stabilize in that primary concept

16:26 I am in order to lose that and with it all other concepts why am i totally free because I understood the unreality of that I am I offer my salutations to all the prophets creeds religions etc I know they are not real they are only the play of this consciousness the truth the eternal cannot be witnessed it ever prevails and in your true state there are no words but you think yourself important then you embrace many words or human beings are caught between worldly life and spiritual life one in a million understands all this play of

17:12 consciousness transcends it what is death death is also a hearsay have you experienced death having followed the course of spirituality you have come to the end of personality and there is no more human being there is only impersonal consciousness in this realm of consciousness all that is going on is dynamic playfulness a process of functioning there is no differentiation in this process as to a person an entity a community agreed a religion in the flesh of your consciousness all this play is going on the play will come to an end March 7 1981

18:02 showing what maharaj says the result may be a type of behavior which will be considered peculiar in the world whose behavior and considered peculiar by whom all that is is the essence of the five elements by this a perception the nature of the five elements is not going to change the essence of the five elements is this momentary sense of presence as compared to eternity you come here with the sense of love and regard from me and you will benefit to the extent of how you perceive me if you continue to see me as an individual that will be the extent of your benefits if you see me as I see myself and as I see you that will

18:48 be the further measure of your benefits the real estate is that state which was prior to the arrival of consciousness very few will have reached that state most of you will not want to go beyond identification with an entity or a body this identification which has been changing from infancy to your present state and which will continue to change in the course of time is purely seasonal you identify with the body on the strength of hearsay your parents told you that you were born on a certain date and that this body is what you are so based on hearsay you formed your identity with a certain image you may

19:33 think that now you will become Yanni's and that you know your identity very well but most often this is a case of sensory deception whatever your image of yourself it is nothing but a concept understand what you are and carry on your daily life to the best of your ability his daily puja a worship being observed here yes here the worshiper is the consciousness and the object of worship is also the consciousness March 12th 1981 what arose first i am-ness or desire if the i am-ness is not there what else can there be this

20:18 consciousness is in a state of flux not stationary if the power to manifest itself in that knowingness i am-ness have not appeared no identification can take place when that i am-ness appears and is accepted as real it is conditioned or confined to a certain identity I have dropped my identity who has dropped it no one has dropped it it dropped by itself it was possible to observe the capacity of the brain not to register anything if the non-reaction state was possible consciousness would not arise if consciousness is the only content of consciousness then that

21:04 knowledge is dropped what is the necessity of its getting dropped what was not will not be that knowledge was not there earlier and is going to disappear there have been so many teachings by the various Saints who have appeared and disappeared in these dark seer where are the references to Christ Rama Krishna or others do we refer to them in our dialogue there have been so many saints sages and yannis and each one has been enamoured of a particular concept that he wanted the world to know about ultimately the different religions were only individual concepts which appeared to the consciousness in a particular individual at a particular time that is why we are here when you

21:52 came was it not on account of your body mind not only is the body mind unreal but this manifest consciousness this universe is also unreal the i am-ness is dreamlike ephemeral even the feeling of having understood is likely to lead one into a sense of illusion because the individual thinks he has found something to impart to others but there is no individual it is so easy to get totally lost when juggling words by attaching too much importance to them just remember that the total functioning of the manifest happens through the friction of the five elements and the talking which takes place is a part of

22:37 the total functioning there is no question of anyone seeking a particular benefit for himself as an individual teacher-man identifies with the gross form he neither recognizes no identifies with the manifest consciousness all the activities go on because of the consciousness but no one really understands it when people come here they have many questions and they think after a while they know something but when they finally know there will be no questions to ask March 13th 1981 everything happens out of your own self this consciousness is spontaneously felt

23:25 in the self only this eye is not an individual what is is the absolute done manifested what appears as if in a dream is the manifested relative world in this experience of the dreamlike state is the same an identical state for everyone in this process of functioning that becomes manifest if you accept something as an individual event then it affects you as an individual if you do not take delivery as an individual but as total functioning and you are free of whatever is happening the knowledge of the self is this dreamlike feeling of i am-ness

24:13 by assuming a separate identity one taints that which is tankless that is the original sin go to the very root who are you what are you you are the product of the five elements you have taken the support of the five elements your feeling of i am-ness emanates from the five elements focus your attention at that point what change should occur in you so that you realize yourself what change could happen to you when you come here you must be expecting something to happen what change do expect in yourself so that you may say I have now attained

24:59 what I saw it I need not go to Maharaj anymore with reference to what state are you speaking what is that state in that dreamlike state I am NOT keeping a record of anyone coming here nor of any conversations among us March 21st 1981 if someone understands the truth does this have any effect on the world at large the first thing that happens is that the individuality is lost and whatever happens then is seen as total functioning the understanding of the total functioning cannot be divided there is no question of why are you understanding something it is

25:46 understanding this knowledge is not found in books it is not intellectual knowledge although this consciousness functions through millions of forms it is one and the same consciousness we have this conviction that I am I exist I'm alive that conviction is because of the consciousness and consciousness is not aware of itself unless the body is there so what is the relationship consciousness is the taste of this physical form if the form is not there the taste is not there the body is the essence of food and the consciousness is the essence of the physical form if this

26:34 is properly understood is there any individuality this individuality is a process of manifestation why does the consciousness want to preserve itself in a particular form when the consciousness identifies itself with the form it is the nature of this identity to want to continue as long as possible consciousness loves that identification so much that it wants to continue if this individuality is lost will consciousness still want to continue once consciousness has lost its individuality and has become one with the universe it will have no need to continue March 24th 1981 if you sit there quietly

27:22 being one with the knowledge I am then you are not concerned with the world or what goes on in the world it is only when the consciousness starts operating and there are various movements in the consciousness that the behavior in the world takes place when I am NOT conscious of the existence of the body experiences are not registered just as the universe is contained in consciousness so to this physical body is merely an appearance in consciousness perceived and cognized by consciousness no amount of effort can make you understand this only the deepest perception of this in consciousness will

28:08 make that experience happen by itself anyone in that condition with a consciousness is present but the registration of the existence of the body is not even in that state the conditions and the body changed constantly all of this is an appearance in consciousness therefore consciousness has to suffer all of the changing conditions in that state any number of events happen but all that is really happening is a total functioning against the background of this void which in reality is really consciousness there is no separate identity what is is this consciousness apart from that no one can exist when you are very quiet you have

28:56 arrived at the basis of everything that is the deep dark blue state in which there are millions of stars and planets when you are in that state you have no awareness of your existence March 29th 1981 if the consciousness in all the different forms is identical then why do thoughts and actions differ from one human being to another the thoughts and actions belong to the body mind in the body mind is the essence of the five elements the nature of the form depends on the various degrees of the five elements and the three gunas the thoughts and deeds depend on the conditioning received right from the

29:42 time that consciousness is there without the consciousness there would be only dead forms consciousness and the body are kept in working condition by the food and medicine that we imbibe in each form the thoughts words and deeds depend not only on the conditioning the form has received after it has been created but they depend on even earlier conditioning at the time of conception the consciousness was latent in that birth chemical how amusing it is that one identifies with the body how long have you been following spirituality for 40 years I was following the Who am I of Ramana Maharshi I've read the book of Maharaja's teachings

30:30 so far so good what do you understand about your own self what are you consciousness the ultimate is prior to any experience i am-ness is the beginning of experience on the ultimate there appeared this knowingness and the question arose who or what am i that feeling of being is not colored by form it is just a feeling of being of I am Ness that was the first experience this is Maya because you don't get the answer to Who am I you give the reply that this is Maya you cannot catch it by reply with what do you identify I am the

31:16 Brahman this is not your direct experience you are just repeating what you have read or heard what do you think you are I have experienced the experience can be there when the i am-ness is there but prior to this experience I am what was the state I do not know I am talking to you because you have the wisdom to understand can I stop this i am-ness and be before the i am-ness what natural processes can you stop everything is spontaneous presently you are in the consciousness which is stirring vibrant don't think you are something separate from the stirring vibrant consciousness you are part of the play of this consciousness you the consciousness are the product of the

32:03 food consumed at the level of active consciousness which is self and which is in activity there cannot be identity of a body how can I be convinced of this when you remain still in yourself then you receive the conviction you stay in quietude a sixth 1981 while I am sitting here putting questions to you I feel at peace is it not a landmark showing progress what are you talking about you're talking from the kindergarten level I am NOT going to address you as a student of the MU moksha class I am going to address the class of sadaqa how long have you been practicing spirituality

32:50 since childhood because my family has been practicing spirituality for generations therefore I have a hobby of spirituality very good nevertheless you are still at the kindergarten level the only solution for you is to give up your identity with the body mind I know all of this intellectually but I am not experiencing it so I came for satsang what do you mean by satsang this is merely a conventional spiritual jargon now you go from here with the firm conviction that I am the Brahman without any shape form or design and without any mental inclinations I am the manifest consciousness when you realize that you are formless there is no caste or creed for you there are no

33:37 concepts left the Momoko is in kindergarten spiritually inclined but identifying with the body mind the sadaqa is one who has decide enta fide with the body mind CEDA is one who has stabilized in the knowledge I am and in the process has transcended it in this journey you know very well where you are this young man's mother was on her deathbed but I said with conviction that she was not going to die this was some years back and today she is still alive his mother was so convinced that she was going to die that she had purchased the particular flowers which she liked for her funeral I ordered her to get up and go and prepare tea for me at that time

34:25 my attitude was that of I am the brahmana today that attitude is discarded I had the firm conviction that whatever I told would take shape would happen at this very place many things happened versions have been going on here since 1932 I was the first tenant in the van Mali building people would come here hoping to get their problems solved and when I would ask why they had come they would simply state their problems I would tell them the very fact that you have come here means that your problem is bound to be solved you can go now all of you are coming who is drawing you here it is your own beingness you are attracted to this place because of a

35:10 certain quality in you you are stabilizing and the highest state it is not a worldly attraction which brings you here neither you nor anybody else knows anything about this attraction the attraction for you is to be and your eternal dwelling place that is your home when that attraction is there you come here scientists have been talking of the black hole into which everything in the universe finally goes you are that absolute do you swallow the entire universe April 10th 1981 there is only the slightest touch of I am miss left henceforth people will be able to have

35:56 only darshan there's not much chance of talking whatever faith you entertained about me that will stabilize in you it is not the darshan but your faith in the darshan unusual rare strange astonishing none phenomenal this is the kind of benefit you will receive the ultimate faith in the self total faith whatever you see don't see it as a mere body these are truly the limbs of that highest imperceptible principle that is expressing itself these limbs have reached the highest I am convinced now that conviction is so strong for you that it can never be broken it is total

36:42 complete imperishable April 11 1981 the core of this consciousness is knowingness to know I am it is not a personality not an individual it is total manifestation beingness is there it fills everything nevertheless this quality I am as the result of the material objective body in the seed the whole tree is latent and the droplet I am all three worlds are squeezed in the highest state is the state of a yani the first step is to be that droplet in the process of knowing that droplet you

37:28 are out of it and that is a Yanni a Yanni is not obsessed by any calamities or any problems because he has transcended the I am principle he watches the play as a witness now understand clearly this droplet of knowingness as a result of the food essence body in understanding it you are out of it if this last step is taken knowing that I the absolute am NOT that droplet the consciousness it has to happen only once there is no more involvement with the play of consciousness you're in a state of no return the eternal state whatever you think of as spiritual knowledge was gained in the realm of consciousness

38:14 such knowledge is merely a burden upon your head and it is going to add more misery it is nothing more than spiritual jargon this i am-ness is the very source of all misery are you in such a position that you cannot employ any words to express yourself when I answer your questions at such great length you should be reduced to a quietude out of which no words can come I expound this knowledge completely and thoroughly have you the courage to accept it if you have really understood what I have told you you need not come again do not try to tell these things to all in sundry just don't speak of this elsewhere

39:00 April 22nd 1981 the whole universe is experienced in the consciousness I am yet that is not there what else can ever exist this consciousness is beating a drum and everyone is carried away by the noise of the drum who looks for the drummer who is sounding and beating the drum it is so amazing that no one cast even a glance at the speck of consciousness when I stabilizing consciousness is that meditation pool is stabilizing is it not the consciousness itself this one Jean Dunn has understood in nature it is all due to her faith in the Guru everything

39:46 that has any concern with me is sacred to her unless you have such faith in the Guru you do not attain faith in yourself some people go about to the Swami and that Swami for what to look at their leftovers if they lick their own leftovers how much better it would be stick to your own consciousness remain in that all the burdens of your concepts should fuse into your consciousness but do not use your consciousness to build up the edifices of concepts habit is a great force which makes one stray isn't it the habit of considering self as the body has influenced everybody too much the knowledge I am mr. guru be in it who

40:33 is the one who sings the bhajan it is the intellect of that guru who are you an intruder of course the action of the whole world depends on this intellect but when this intellect reaches its apex it gets merged into parabrahman you all go on writing a diary of your own concepts I tell you finally it is utterly useless it will only serve as an instrument of bondage June 5th 1981 you know that you are how has this happened because of what do you know that you are you have to go to the source 100 years earlier you did not

41:19 know your own existence you had no problems at that time now because of this knowingness all the problems have started this i am-ness has appeared because of the body so what knowledge do we have about the body and what knowledge of this eyeness when the body falls when the person is dead do the memory and the consciousness remain both the memory and the consciousness are the quality of the food body when the body is not present there is no question of their remaining the i am-ness is a quality of the food body but that is not the nature of the true self what is Turia Turia means that only you remain nothing else remains so long as

42:06 you know that you are everything is find out what you are and you will get all the answers find out the source of the body and the source of this i am-ness if you find this out you will know what you are whatever changes is not yourself this body is continuously changing it was not there it appeared and it will disappear it is not you find out what you are the important thing is that consciousness you must give your full attention to the consciousness itself that is the process of meditation then all the secrets will be revealed to you by the consciousness the consciousness

42:52 likes that self-love if you are interested in the consciousness only you will come to know it if you are interested in the world then it means you are not interested in the consciousness if you are interested only in the consciousness then the consciousness will unmask all the secrets and then you will know what you are this you will know who you are but awareness means pure consciousness and there is no I there watching yourself that itself is meditation to keep only consciousness without mixing it with anything that is the knowledge without words that you are thus will be there

43:37 but they will be weaker and weaker so only the feeling of i am-ness will remain just consciousness without any activity watching the activities is on a lower level like watching anger etc that is identification with the body mind does Maharaj feel his body I come to know that everything is through the consciousness just as I see you I look at this body but I am apart from it I am NOT identified with the body consciousness is not male or female it is like light light also means heat when the temperature goes down the doctor will say that the patient is no more what about reincarnation even this birth this faults the quality

44:25 of i am-ness is because of the body you don't know whether you exist or not in deep sleep you don't know you are that is all you are not born at all only the announcement of your existence is there you existed even prior to your birth your existence is eternal but the knowledge that you existed came about when you were a few years old just worry about this birth why worry about reincarnation think whether this birth is correct June 7th 1981 now can one control the mine you accept only good and discard the evil and continuously recite the

45:12 name of God that will help you gradually control the mind what is acceptable to you and gives you peace is good what your mind rejects is not good when you do something and there is fear of failure that means the mind is not pure not as one develop a liking for chanting the mantra in the company of the sages you can develop it from 5:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. what goes on consciousness comes to me consciousness there will be no other talk except some communication between consciousness itself there will be no other strange third person or individual meddling in there God has gone to meet God you know that whatever

45:57 sentiments arise you are not those June 9th 1981 Rajneesh is not a small personality or small principle he is tremendous he is very big he is a great sage when you already have a guru Rajesh why do you visit other sages since you already have a great sage as your guru you should not sit here oh come here I do not like those shiftings from gurus to gurus I do not like Wanderers what is the difference between Maharaj and Rajneesh once you remove the letters that is the names what is the difference you investigate the Wanderers i before

46:46 you investigate others what is the product after you remove its name what are you without the name with a label you investigate the investigator investigate I am before you take up the assignment of inquiring about others enquire about yourself first and see if you are real or wrong real the letters I am are written spontaneously with a certain ink what is that ink which was used to write that which you are in that ink with which the letters I am written in that ink the title of Ted says bhagavaan is confirmed by the Vedas Seche means the left over the

47:32 remains what is the left over that means what you are one who has understood ones mystery as to what is that one will not discuss or argue the largeness or smallness of anybody you'll become a slave to a concept and having become a slave to one concept you are fully involved in our Merce in more concepts you are drowning in concepts having got caught up with the concept that you are the first concept you started giving names and titles and ideas to others and you became an meshed therein although one may call oneself a Yanni one enjoys entertaining himself with a number of concepts although such a one

48:17 knows full well that he is not going to get anywhere still one becomes busy with a number of concepts that touch sesh bhagavad as spontaneously come and will spontaneously go what are you going to get for yourself as I am in what positional concept did you stabilize yourself as I am the firm conviction that I am this the three states waking state deep sleep and the knowledge I am are aspects of that tej sesh bhagava you are not that then Who am I the prominent and firm reply is only you are you throw the hooks with bait into

49:03 the water to catch fish in that way with the concept that you are throw-in the bait and all in lots of concepts for yourself so when the question followed by the answer is there then anything which is refused what remains is that rejection prior to any other recognition you already are if you are not other people are not you are supporting yourself on the intellect of the body and having stabilized in the body or the intellect you are creating or inviting a lot of concepts and in the concepts you are bogged down you are talking about others let me know what you are I am asking about you what are you you the

49:49 observer Maharaj knows I do not know what I am why is he asking me I am NOT talking to you consciousness is talking to consciousness about consciousness who told you that Maharaj is talking to you your basis itself is wrong one appearance noticed another appearance of a fry that is why this automatic gesture if I understand what I am that is merely an appearance then I will know the others are appearances also therefore I will have no questions arguments or quarrels with them but if I don't understand myself and if I ride on the wings of a concept then I prefer my appearance since

50:37 Maharaj is only talking to consciousness he will not talk to my ignorance ignorance will remain there for all time just as knowledge also will remain for all time there cannot be knowledge without ignorant and there cannot be ignorant without the correlated knowledge both are the opposites in manifestation one cannot remain without the other even this concept about knowledge is merely a concept with eonni there is no concept there'll be they're ignorant sore knowledge the total absence of all knowledge or ignorant is that state prior to the arising of consciousness but you try to interpret whatever I say with various concepts and you

51:22 conditioned yourself with all these concepts Maharaj is taking everything away from me I have nothing to hold on to I will fall you will be broken into how many pieces with that fall with all that do what you like another person is searching for himself but you are hiding what is reality whatever is currently they're immortal unchanging the eternal ever is a non experiential state subsequent to that is the consciousness i am-ness the body experience in life your experiences are in the realm of consciousness in the realm of consciousness you cannot have the experience of truth as a matter of

52:08 fact there can be no experience of truth because you are that and the ultimate analysis how can there be the experience of truth is prior to the beingness what can one do for the continuance of that experience no experiences are permanent you are the permanent experiences are there in the realm of consciousness which is bound by time matters one go beyond time how did you come experiencing things happens unconsciously or spontaneously knowingly you cannot go into that can we come out of it knowingly you want to step out you must know exactly what is time and what

52:56 is you you must get to know that first what is your step you want to step out of time what is time time has desire not at all time means space there's separation in space whatever you have placed before Maharaja as knowledge are all mistaken concepts do you have the knowledge that birth means misery pain of birth not the knowledge just by playing with words and concepts you will not be emancipated what should one do don't even accept the concept that you have to do anything what should I do with the pain the way it has come it will go have I to become Idol jump about

53:41 you understand what I say but you are afraid that whatever so-called knowledge you have collected is being devalued Krishnamurti said whatever he has said very rightly but do you assimilate it thoroughly whatever Maharaja tells you you try to absorb it through concepts June 10th 1981 meditate I fall asleep what can I do to overcome that don't raise this problem at all with me you are in the three states the waking state deep sleep state and the knowledge you are so why are you dealing with this state which you're not why are you interested it is spontaneously happening you have

54:26 to understand that when you are being stabilized in a state prior to waking state deep sleep prior to words and even prior to consciousness something happens and your body state without your doing it leave it alone don't ask questions about that you are on this side and if something is happening why are you worried about it be yourself if you are yourself you need not worry about what is happening at the other end you are interested in your experience state there are so many experiences such as I saw a blue light they went up etc don't tell me of all those things be yourself and not the

55:12 experiences this is also a temporary phase and you're giving it undue importance by saying oh it is something it happens naturally there was a gentleman who came to me and he told me he would start crying and sobbing for about ten minutes when he meditated he thought it was a very great thing that happened to him in the process of self-realization what is the point of getting excited in saying oh I started crying so what you are not the one crying you are not your emotions are you so many people come to Maharaj to tell him of the spiritual experiences which they have undergone through meditation just to show people I am something

55:57 when you fall into sleep be alert and remind yourself that I am the manifest Brahman at that moment on the borderline during the course of sleep transcendence is prior to mine and continues during sleep also if you fall into sleep reciting japa and at midnight you wake up you will find that job of continuing if you are alert be aware of yourself and you will see light than the deepest recesses of your core June 11th 1981 what do you know about Joe body what is it and what are you body is the form or shape the taste of

56:44 the food body is the knowledge I am what is your identity which you feel or experience in this body your words are alright but are you the words you are wearing the clothes but are you the clothes there is no permanent form the body continuously changes so long as you identify yourself with the body you will not have satisfaction this is the space I am NOT the space you must have the firm conviction about your own self you must have that deep urge to know yourself grace is always there your first conviction that you are which is prior to words to that you have given

57:31 the form of a body give up this bodily identity prior the words you are just be that now can I be that whatever you are don't give it any shape or design that is all if you are then everything else is worshipping books and being devoted to books will lead you nowhere be yourself be devoted to yourself worship only that worship the knowledge I am as a god as your guru do see the image of yourself in the mirror first or do you know you are prior to that which is first if you are not can you see your image in the mirror give up trying to

58:18 evaluate the real eye or the counterfeit eye but associate the eye with the brahmana I am the brahmana whatever you have heard is good enough for you no further listening to any such knowledge is necessary whatever you have listened to so far is good enough for you if you imbibe that and abide in it nothing more will be available to you you are the brahmana in totality nothing more fortunately you have conditioned yourself to believe that you the brahmana are the body now you know that you're not the body why are you overwhelmed by that counterfeit bodily identity I you have a

59:04 lot of knowledge but it pertains to the practical world so far you have not got the knowledge of the self I will not talk about the worldly knowledge it does not end here this is the world the world is covered by space the knowledge of space is there the space is contained in the knowledge I am and prior to I am is jet Akash chit Akash i am-ness is the source of the universe Jer Akash is the root of the mind space there can't be any knowledge of I am like this or I am like that you cannot be like this or like that because of the jet Akash my gosh the great space is there the space

59:51 of the world is there because of the space of the mind or prior to the mind one space is covered by more subtle and more expansive space at the base of that space is the knowledge I am if one abides in the chit Akash knowledge one will realize that one has no birth and no death June 14th 1981 continuous daily activity is making the mind dull I want to know how to make the mind alert I do not speak about the body mind and what goes on in the world I talk only about your true nature and

1:00:38 your true nature is the sense of presence you have this consciousness if you are not conscious then there is no world for you there is nothing there the world exists for you only when you are conscious so it is about this consciousness this sense of presence that I talked once this sense of presence comes now you act in what you do in the world I don't deal with the sense of presence this consciousness is it not prior to anything else even thinking about anything for which you have to use your mind if you are not conscious in any thought come therefore this sense of presence this consciousness is it not the primary thing without which nothing else can

1:01:26 happen nothing no thoughts no concepts can arise by themselves no activity can arise if the sense of presence is not there the sense of presence does not need any activity of the mind to know that you're present you do not have to ask yourself am i present am i conscious there is that intuitive sense of presence you know you are present this sense of presence is not the sense that I am present you are present or any individual is present the sense of presence is the sense of presence as such because one identifies oneself with his body he thinks he is born and is

1:02:13 going to die what is born is the general sense of presence as such the sense of presence which has come spontaneously will leave spontaneously there is no individual except through identification with the body the sense of time or duration or the event happening in time all that can come about only if there is consciousness if there is no consciousness do you have the sense of time there is the way and there is the fuel only then can the light be there so light depends on the duration of the fuel that is how the time factor comes in the sense of presence this consciousness is everything so find out

1:03:00 how that arises and how long it is going to last just as the light will remain only as long as there is fuel for it so this consciousness will last only so long as this fuel is there fuel being the body which is made of the five elements which are an accumulation of food if the food is not supplied constantly to the body the body will not last in it the body will not last them the consciousness will not last therefore this consciousness will depend on how long the body is there even this consciousness is not everything and it is not going to last for all time find

1:03:45 out how that consciousness has arisen the source of the consciousness one is this body the body is only the accumulation of food in water this food and water are certainly not jus and this consciousness is merely the nature of this food and water therefore you are something separate from either the body or the consciousness so long as the body is there anyone who considers himself an individual has as is only capital the sense of presence this consciousness tree that is the highest God and worship nothing else other than the sense of

1:04:31 presence and when you are one with the sense of presence then whatever is necessary by way of spiritual knowledge will sprout by itself if you have any problems or questions with which you are concerned you will find these problems and questions are based in your identity with the body and mind as an individual if that identification is not there then no questions can arise you will come to this conclusion June 16 1981 each one does his own work but each has his own quality here a certain test to

1:05:18 know whether you are on the spiritual path or not investigate what you're thinking of during the 24-hour day you say you got the knowledge of the self you have collected the knowledge of the self nevertheless during the whole day what are you discussing inside in your mind flow you are discussing all your daily affairs you don't discuss the way the discussions are going on here about your identity about what you are that you don't discuss is there anybody who discusses with himself only about the self you are according to the quality of the intensity of your thinking I also am restless the type of

1:06:03 pain and misery I am now undergoing nobody else in my place experiences in the world this talk is not for the consumption of all beyond the realm of consciousness arising from the body there is no experience of consciousness I want to talk about the state beyond the realm of consciousness there are millions of names but all these names relate to the objective world even the title of parents is also due to the bodies as a result of the body this title of parents as arisen I want you to understand clearly that without the bodily consciousness there is no Brahman the Brahman is because the consciousness is and consciousness is because the body

1:06:52 is the body consciousness is the result of the five elements body consciousness and the world are not different they are identical ponder over this in this fashion whatever is grasped by the mind and intellect is this the objective world although you have heard these talks still you will be carried away by your conceptual experiences this body is made of food but what is your true identity it is something like the body having completely adjusted like the grains which you have stored being completely adjusted is food only this is the food body and the consciousness the absolute is your

1:07:39 true identity I have given you some indication of the absolute you have not surpassed the consciousness and consciousness is the first step total consciousness is not the end June 18th 1981 people come here because they feel there is a need to come the consciousness in your body feels pleasure in coming here so long as consciousness feels the need of anything you will be compelled to do it when consciousness leaves there will be no more bondage other than this sense of presence which we have because of consciousness what has anybody got the real happiness

1:08:25 without its counterpart can only be there when consciousness leaves so long as consciousness is there so long as happiness and unhappiness are there pure happiness can only be there when consciousness is not there whatever can be perceived is totally different from what I am I have understood my swarupa and I am bad it has nothing to do with whatever is manifested you can never isolate yourself from the consciousness unless consciousness is pleased with you and gets rid of you consciousness opens the gate for you to transcend consciousness there are two aspects one is conceptual dynamic

1:09:10 consciousness which is full of concepts and the other is transcendent consciousness even the concept I am is not their conceptual qualitative Brahman the one that is full of concepts in his qualitative is the outcome of the functioning body this consciousness is dead to me it is gone I have transcended that so whatever is is that other consciousness that one which is without concepts the principle that is conceptual and full of qualities which I have transcended was like a very big ocean now it is mostly dried up just the dregs remain only a very little bit is still there

1:09:55 only a few particles what is pervading and prevailing is without concept or quality what remains is talking to you now where is the question not birth or death for that remaining principle you with your wisdom are stuck here you are sticking to certain concepts if you had no concepts why should you come here you study only those concepts which arise from within you those concepts which you do not like will not occur in you suppose you do not like mathematics that subject will not appeal to you it is a stranger to your concepts you will be involved in only those subjects of matters which you like analyze your

1:10:43 thoughts and see if this is not true find out the nature of your thoughts by the spiritual I abide in the state where there is no mind June 19th 1981 all happenings are only in body consciousness personalities only exist in body consciousness the usual knowledge is concerned only with the body image you are not the body you are the consciousness there is no imprint of personality it is the manifest consciousness which is functioning this dynamic manifest consciousness is always in a fluid state what will happen no one

1:11:31 can say this dynamic consciousness does not have any concept that something good or bad is going to happen it is just happening no one is doing it the message I am is there the mind flow is also there it is not a personality it is the consciousness the very idea that you are the body is ridiculous the consciousness is experiencing its manifestation a rare being will realize this the worldly life of a yani means the total functioning of consciousness normally a person who is always thinking of others as personalities will not think of others simply as a functioning consciousness

1:12:17 the play of consciousness will not come down to an individual level it is quite different it is manifestation only are you not a disciple of a Great Sage how many years have you been going to him for seven or eight years then why did you come here I wanted to have your darshan I wanted to meet you when you are stabilized in your own self then there is no other Ness you are everything if you up by in yourself you are like space and there is no duality left you are as expensive and as subtle as the space and that is liberation you are not conditioned by any name or form if you are like space what is the point

1:13:04 of going out swear space which is here is also everywhere else spirituality is not a child's play my sentences will tear to pieces the doubts of anyone who listens to them first of all you abide and your own self and transcend it in in transcending you will realize your ultimate the words emanating here are not borrowed knowledge which is available in the scriptures in other books this is from direct experience Madhu Panna means the normal practice of these professional spiritual people they will be expounding knowledge from various books you must thoroughly understand what you are or what you could be when nothing is when

1:13:52 nothing is you still are what is that you it is all one and when everything is still you are that is understandable but when the thing is how can I be June 21st 1981 am any image you have of yourself is not true to knowledge is to abide in your own self try to understand all this knowledge which you are now gathering the so called knowledge you get elsewhere talks only about ignorant it cannot talk about the self to knowledge all of what is pursued by the mind is not true knowledge to knowledge

1:14:40 cannot be understood easily if I had the experience I am before what I care to enter the womb of my mother prior to entering the womb I did not know myself there was no knowledge of i am-ness also called knowledge is tainted by words which is only ignorant you the absolute watch the waking state you know the consciousness you know the sleeping state therefore you are not that among the millions of people who have come and gone where am i counted among them there is no individuality connected with any of those forms but I have always been and I am the total functioning without

1:15:26 me the functioning cannot take place I am the total functioning every moment millions of years ago or now in spite of my clearly understanding the foregoing the bodily suffering has to be undergone because of the consciousness the name of the consciousness is suffering itself the life of suffering is nearly over whatever this principle is together with the body and consciousness it is experiencing all the sufferings and knows itself that it is worth millions of dollars like a keg of gold this principle which has understood and realized with the suffering and the consciousness is is worth millions I do not follow the spirituality of the

1:16:11 masses in this place spirituality of the common type will not be doled out to you that ultimate can never be lost whatever you have lost you have lost only the words the ultimate new knows or feels I am without words to this I am comes the world knowledge you are not in isolation you are part and parcel of the world knowledge Javad hmong is the one who identifies with the body mind as an individual separate from the world the Atman is only beingness or the consciousness which is the world the ultimate principle which knows this beingness cannot be named at all it

1:16:58 cannot be approached or conditioned by any words that is the ultimate state I do not want meek and humble disciples I want them to be powerful as I am I do not make disciples I make gurus I want you to jump in the test tube in the process of this investigation June 21st 1981 p.m. how can I stay stable and awareness you know you are that itself is awareness if you think they do have to be aware that it becomes an experiential state you want to experience something don't recognize your body as yourself that is

1:17:43 alright for your daily worldly affairs identifying with the body but when you have to understand yourself don't understand that you are the body you have the knowledge I am that itself means you are awareness is that state in which the consciousness subsides into itself this body is the expression of the product of the food consumed material is consumed in the form of food and this is the result when the food becomes less and less the body is bound to become emaciated become thin this is not your identity this is not your image this body is a Tiffin box why has this face gone mean because the

1:18:31 food supply has been reduced the food body you are not the waking state you are not the deep sleep State you're not you know the waking state since you know the waking state you are not the waking state you know the deep sleep state therefore you are not the deep sleep state mine lost that ultimate you can never be lost whatever you have lost you have lost only the words who told you that you are lost you know you are I am the moment the feeling I am appears the world also appears you are is not alone in isolation you are part and

1:19:18 parcel of the world knowledge in the consciousness hierarchy there are three stages one devout man is the one who identifies himself with the body mind one who thinks I am a body a personality an individual part from the world he excludes and isolates himself from the world as a separate personality because of identification with the body and the mind to next only the beingness or the consciousness which is the world I am means my whole world just being and the world together with the beingness the world is also felt that is open

1:20:04 three the ultimate principle that knows this beingness cannot be termed at all it cannot be approached or conditioned by any words that is the ultimate state the hierarchy I explain in common words like I have a grandson that is devout ma I have a son and I am the grandfather grandfather is the source of the son and grandson the three stages cannot be termed as knowledge the term knowledge comes at beingness level I have passed on to you the essence of my teachings with what identity do you recognize yourself now with what identity do you come into this world with what identity

1:20:49 would you like to quit this world normally people cling to this bodily identity but now I have thrown overboard this identity you are not the body I am asking what are you what would be your identity now since you are not the body whatever you would say in words would be incorrect would be wrong you are tenaciously clinging to the body as yourself you must have a firm conviction that you are not the body and not even the consciousness in the beingness experiment upon yourself you are witnessing the stick and you are telling the stick I am witnessing you nothing is useful no talk is useful when

1:21:36 one is by oneself when one subsides and one's true identity nothing matters because nothing is when I subsides it's all awareness January 22nd 1981 a.m. this

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