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0:00 [Music] hello and welcome to another great episode of The Great Debaters contest today our motion is should computers replace teachers and here I am with a student from Loretto Convent Valley Road with an opinion to share all I can say is according to David thorberg he said any t-shir that can be replaced by a computer deserves to be well there you have it over to you Mario proposing this debate will be the Kenya High School these warm ladies have
0:47 promised to bring the heat to this debate and opposing them will be mo forces Academy and they are saying that they will leave no stoned and turned in this very heated argument let's see what they bring to the table [Music] the motion this week is computers should replace teachers proposing the motion Kenya High School opposing the motion Mo forces Academy Nairobi each contestant has 3 minutes to make their submissions the audience also gets a chance to put
1:33 their questions to each team each side will have an additional 1 minute to make a final statement the judge's decision is final but in a Twist the audience also gets to have their say through the popular vote this will see an extra 5% added to the school that wins this vote the winning school will get an ICT chill out Zone with the widescreen TV computers webcams and internet connection the teacher from the winning school gets 100,000 Shillings courtesy of Chase Bank the winning students each get a tablet courtesy of safaricom a gift hamper from unila and a gift hamper from mimi. C.K and together they all win the title The Great Debaters May the best School
2:22 win proposal number one you may begin my name is clar sber and I'd like to propose the motion that Compu should replace teachers now what are computers probably I'd love to narrow it down to what would be relevant to us as regards education for me i' take computers to be desktops laptops and tablets and this brings me to my second question who are teachers who is a teacher for you as a student as an individual I would say a teacher is the person who stands before you each morning to deliver the content the very same content that is in the textbook that you have probably outside in your bag right now or somewhere in your locker back in school now due to personality flows the way in which this
3:08 information is delivered to us may differ in one way or the other and this is evidenced by the varied kind of performance that that we have in our national examinations one may argue that one school performs better than the other because of the way the teacher delivers this information but probably there's also more to it attitude take it that most of you identify with this one I'm quite sure that back in school there is this teacher that you don't have favor with there's this teacher that walks into class and you feel this lady has looked at me badly this teacher has got an attitude towards you as a student there's this teacher that will walk in and you feel oh my I do not like this lady maybe it's the way she says good morning things are simple as that could
3:54 be a reason to have an attitude towards a teacher and even better still teachers themselves do have an attitude towards certain topics in the subjects that they teach and if you have an attitude towards that topic would you really deliver it in a way that is convenient in a way that a student will understand exactly what you're talking about well a computer does not have an abusive husband or a demanding wife to go home to in the evening a computer will never have an attitude towards you and surely it would be quite unclo for and crazy to some extent for you to develop an attitude towards a computer that does not even as much as look at you badly when you sit before it and again if we have computers for teachers the standard of Education in our schools will be
4:40 quite similar we won't have anything like schools that probably you know sometimes when the minister for education is announcing these results he'd probably cite that there are schools that have performed dismally in comparison to the rest when you all have teachers for computers the content will be the same the performance will be levelized of course with all other factors put at a constant so I suggest that we should have these computers for teachers and when we do have these computers we'll definitely not have district schools provincials or Nationals because really people get to these schools by Merit and when you marit to be in a school it definitely has to do with your performance if performance is the same there'll be no District provincial or national schools and if we don't have that District school that you always feel demoralized
5:26 because yeah some District so definitely I'm a bit a to performing less than the rest that will not be there and the education system would definitely be bettered for it for that thank [Applause] you opposer number one you may take the stage you have 3 minutes well first of all I am Edwin Zog representing Mo forces Academy and I'm here to oppose the motion now let me Enlighten you first the definition of a computer not even Vivid let me Enlighten you better a computer is a special purpose device that can be programmed to perform arithmetic or logical functions secondly now that you're talking about computers replacing teachers this means you're putting
6:12 278,000 teachers out of work that is in the teachers Service Commission you are also putting roughly 15,000 no actually 15,000 who graduated from the University from Kenyata University in 2011 therefore a person dream of becoming a teacher is absolutely destroyed now they talk about computers completely replacing teachers impossible let me explain this we have autopilots in Planes right yes unfortunately we still require a pilot inside correct that is awesome now this is what it shows that you cannot completely replace a computer with a teacher in any
6:58 way you look at it really computers do not relay the best information possible there is a touch of personal appeal that you get from a teacher however we do not dispute that computers are important because they do help to relay information better this is what we are proposing according to Wikipedia the chance of of understanding using a computer and a teacher are 5050 according to Wikipedia what we are proposing is not to replace teachers but for computers and teaches to merge 5050 + 50 equal 100% does that make our education system much better than having computers only I believe it does now according to Longhorn computer studies book four yes
7:46 a textbook which they are disputing should not be there it talks about Job replacement and job displacement job replacement means you are completely wiping out teachers they shouldn't even be there unfortunately for you teachers are irreplaceable job displacement however makes education much better this is why you are putting teachers and computers together this is what you form you get an explanation from the teacher which is actually basic and also you get an illustration from a laptop from the Internet or something so what do you want to teach us robots because computers don't only refer to laptops don't only refer to tabs they refer to everything that is technological therefore could you please give us a perfect lesson in introducing or rather
8:34 using a computer because number one it has not worked anywhere and that is why it has never been implemented quam Kuma Institute of Science and Technology says that teaching using a computer is worse Ron we'll continue with that awesome thank [Applause] you proposal number two Giver bottle ladies and Gent gentlemen my name is Christine rera and today I stand to oppose to propose sorry this motion that states computers should replace teachers first of all they talked about how computers will put teachers out of work what we're saying is that we don't want the teachers all the teachers actually we're not saying that the computers should replace all the teachers what
9:19 we're saying is that these teachers can get alternative means of livelihood for example they can become instructors and they they can also become computer programmers so in the end we actually not using a we're not losing a working force we're actually harmonizing these two um computers and the teachers also they talked about how um we need this interaction between teachers and students ladies and gentlemen the first proposer already talked about how there are some teachers who usually have um I don't know how to put it they have attitudes towards some students and we experience this in schools because it's a reality what we are saying is computers don't have this attitude towards anyone one I mean they they're non living things so they cannot really show any attitude therefore we're supporting that teachers that computers
10:06 should actually would be put in place alongside our instructor to help um in learning also teachers have errors we're not saying that computers are 100% correct but if you compare teachers and computers definitely these sources on the internet for example have been very well researched and you you're assured that you're getting the correct information from the internet for for example I'm sure um they quoted some sources and I'm sure they got these sources from the internet and you see they are trusting these sources because they know that these sources have actually um undergone deep research and that they're sure that what they're getting is a truth so what they're actually supporting us because what they got is from the internet um ladies and gentlemen all of us are human beings we wouldn't want to live in remote areas
10:52 where um our neighbors are cutle rustlers or thugs what we're saying is Teachers would not want to move to this place places so instead of that we're giving a solution we're giving computers instead of teachers because in such situations I mean we cannot say that these people who live in remote areas should not learn because teachers cannot be posted to these areas instead we can give a solution which is computers because computers have practically everything that we need um ladies and gentlemen also we have the issue of um computers provide different views on um on one topic um I'll give you an example if I if I'm talking about computers over here I can get ideas from everyone and I can be able to integrate that and um bring forth my motion in a better light
11:38 because I have experiences from different people from different countries and this is an advantage because we don't we in Kenya we can't know what's going on in other countries without communication and these computers actually Aid in that because we see that they provide different opinions on different issues and this can also help us further our development as a country um ladies and gentlemen when we go to the issue of cost it is much more um economic in the long run to invest in computers right now than to actually save money to give to the teachers because um we can also develop other sectors of the economy because just getting some computers to put in a lab does not yes is very economical thank you very
12:25 [Applause] much second opposer cross examine your opponent my name is rans from W forces Academy and it is imperative we understand the topic of debate it states computers should replace teachers computers should replace teachers the emotions you have you have presented forward suggest kind of otherwise of what the motion states let me elaborate you talk of negative attitudes developed by teachers towards students let me tell you something interesting about computer ERS first of all artificial intelligence systems lack very one very fundamental thing that is required in education they L they lack the ability to develop a
13:11 positive attitude in students we know we know we know of this as the effective domain the effective domain can only be achieved through the traditional face tace situational education which can only be done in a classroom with teachers and second of all you talked about teachers the 280,000 teachers being taken to institutions 280,000 teachers how many institutions will we require to bring up so as to absorb 280,000 teachers it is improbable and it cannot be applied a lot of these teachers will lose their jobs we do not
13:56 require that many researchers it will lead to Hidden unemployment and we do not want such a situation in our economy you also talked about remote areas what is one characteristic of remote areas they lack basic especially in Kenya they lack basic services such as electricity and whatnot one thing about common about remote areas is that they do not support the good or the operation of computers a place such as a desert it has dust dust clogs the system of a computer we have extremely humid areas that lead to rusting of essential components of a computer now they can never be used in remote areas Kenya does not have electricity everywhere in the country
14:43 and therefore it cannot be applied okay you also talked about computers and laptops as the only means through which education can be passed on through the technological system it's quite unfortunate to say this it can be passed on let me expound on your let me tell you something there are many system which can be used to pass on education that are technological the unfortunate thing is that they lack psych motive a psychom motive domain what is a psych motive domain a normal human being can through education can learn how to use their physical body and their abilities to do very many fundamental things such as sporting drawing and such things but a computer will never be able to teach
15:29 you that one thing a computer cannot appreciate the art in these things thank [Applause] [Music] you [Music] yes may we have two questions for the proposers my name is shenice Maria from
16:14 the Jia senior school and my question to the proposers is that does do the speakers realize that when you suggest that replacing teachers with computers is quite uneconomical uh in Contra in contrast to what you had put because when suggesting that the teachers should become instructors or computer programmers you're suggesting that um in estimate about 250,000 teachers should go back to computer school without counting the current the current students who have already enrolled in the various computer schools in the country do you think okay are you trying to imply that the computers are more valuable than what God has created and we see the inventor of computer is just a man perhaps a teacher so tell us more
17:01 about it all right may we have two questions for the opposing side um Jason Paul odongo from jja senior school I had the second opposer suggesting that computers cannot teach you sports are you aware that the Kenya short putut Champion African Champion East African Champion Lear Lear Javelin I mean from the computer thank you okay I'm D Akin from Olympic High School and I would like to PO the question to the one of the opposers who said that computers cannot survive in
17:47 desert areas then how comes a human being can survive in desert areas learning thank you the third proposal you may take the floor you have 3 minutes good day to everyone my name is espania Asim kapanga from the Kenya high school and I'd like to answer a few of the questions that have been posed to us the first question was about the teachers having to go back and get trained about um on how to be instructors I think it is a requirement by the government that every teacher in Kenya should be computer literate I guess that answers your question second they're also saying apart from that also before I forget of late we have been told to be Innovative and inventive to learn to be entrepreneurs we are meant to be job creators not job Seekers so
18:33 these teachers can find alternative jobs that they can create for themselves by identifying problems in the society and coming up with solutions for them don't you think if some of these chers would think that way we wouldn't have to move all of them to be Pro uh computer programmers would we no we wouldn't then again uh she mentioned about valuing what God has I mean what man has created over what God has created nobody me mentioned anything like that we didn't say we are valuing computers more than teachers what we said is that computers are more efficient in the delivery of information compared to the teachers that was our word I'd like to speak on computers app uh one of the opposers said that computers cannot be used in areas that have dust I'd like to remind you that in
19:19 computer we learn that computers are stored in a room that is dust free so if you would build such houses in those marginalized areas and that would be a onetime thing because you'd build a permanent house and you'd make it suitable having uh air conditioners and having the dust having ways to control the dust that comes into the room definitely that would be a conducive area to keep computers besides there are solar laptops right now we can say that not having electricity in this remote areas is a hindrance to having computers in those regions I'd also like to think the young man that questioned them on Julia seo's story I'm very sure most of us have heard of the YouTube man as people call him he did learn Javelin through on the on the internet through YouTube and he became the Fourth Man
20:06 during the uh International games that was the Olympics he became the fourth in the world so would you like to tell me that if a man can learn javelin throw on YouTube they cannot learn piano lessons on the YouTube they cannot learn how to play the guitar on the YouTube definitely not if I can learn Javelin through on the internet I can most definitely learn anything else on the internet I'd like to speak on the point about computers replacing teachers first if we look at our schools right now what is the ratio of the teacher to the student we have mostly in most classes we have a ratio of 1 is to 50 one is to 70 and if you are to compare the total number of teachers to the total number of students I'll take for example my school it's a ratio of 1 to 20 so compare where a
20:53 teacher has to pay attention to 20 different students to a situation where one student to one computer don't you think that is much more efficient for us don't you think that one will help each and every student in our country to learn at their own pace and to know what exactly is needed for them because they're all getting the same information from the computers friends I think computers is the way to go thank you the third opposer you may respond to the questions so ladies and gentlemen we're debating on whether we should replace is a teacher with a computer and so far do you agree or do you disagree give me 3 minutes and by the time I'm done I'll have convinced you
21:38 that we cannot replace a teacher with a computer my name is rodne from o forces Academy to the first question somebody talked about the javelin champion who learned how to play the sport through YouTube now as stated earlier by my colleagues you are aware that we have placed forward a solution instead of replacing teachers with computers we have given the solution of whereby we Marge them together to form one education system you will concur with me that once Julius learned how Javelin is is played from YouTube he had to get a coach a coach is your teacher combined we form [Applause] something now secondly somebody asked
22:25 that uh how how can a human being survive in the desert or places that are hot okay I have a question for you we are aware that in northeastern it's semiarid are they not taught there they are by who a human being haven't they survived there they have case closed now I have one simple task I want the propos us to do or and even the audience please take your Bop pen please take your Bop pen write something on a piece of paper or anywhere anywhere now do you see that handwriting you see
23:12 that will you taught that and writing by a computer no a teacher is the one who taught you that you were taught you were taught that and writing by a teacher way back in kindergarten I have a story we have a story of where by Ben Carson when he was still in primary he was not the best student you can think of he was below average now the mother used to pressure him to write reports from the library and submit it to her we cannot say that since it was the mother she was not his teacher he taught she taught him rather once you're through with your report come and submit it to me when Ben Carson was in class A teacher mind you asked a
23:58 question and gave him the opportunity to answer that question that one question ladies and gentlemen is what made him where he is right now he believed in himself after a teacher congratulated him for answering that question ladies and gentlemen I am very sure in our society today there are people who look up to teachers I sit in a class I look at my mathematics teacher I'm like that guy is so talented that guy is knowledgeable I want to be like that guy why do you want to deny person the chance to achieve his dream of becoming a teacher by placing a computer there you cannot admire computer because you cannot be a computer in future thank [Applause] you the proposing team you may give your
24:45 final submissions dear friends we do not refute that some teachers May Be Your Role Models but because of computers we have other International personalities that can be your role models Nelson Mandela for example he's from South Africa and I'm from Kenya so you can tell me that probably if I was born and I didn't have any access to computers maybe just maybe I would not have access to his story not only Nelson Mandela there very many other personalities on the internet we can think of Ben Caron I'm sure that story you've heard of it also from the internet that information you can get on the internet not only not only from your teachers and anyway I'd like to say that computers are no longer a thing of the past they're here with us today the debate that we have been watching haven't we been getting our information from the internet if we were
25:31 to solely depend on the information given by teachers don't you think we would have insufficient facts to give here probably wouldn't even have the statistics that we are giving here in front of this audience therefore I'd like to say our Learners should get used to using these computers they should be taught at an earlier age and grow up learning how to use them because our future is ruled by computers Albert Einstein said insanity is doing the same thing over once again again and again and expecting different results we need to change the way we have our education system and that is by introducing computers I rest my [Music] case a member of the opposing team to wrap up the arguments I have a proposal
26:17 or rather a suggestion to the ladies please look at your left hand your left hand there's that ring finger over there and the gentleman in the house you will concur with me now there's that one special person who will put a ring ring on that finger of yours let us put that finger as our education system using teachers and let us place that ring as using computers once we Marge that thing together isn't it [Applause] beautiful now the proposers are telling us the motion is clearly stating we do away with teachers or rather replace teachers with computers we have come up with a better solution there is no need of
27:03 removing teachers and placing computers there let us use them both so the proposers give us your Solutions you want to remove a teacher and take him where and with that I rest my [Applause] case so so for those who believe that Kenya High had a better and fairer argument please raise your hand for those who believe that
27:52 Moy all right all right so there you have it Mo Force say Academy Nairobi you [Music] have good way of speaking and I always love the fact that you bring statistics facts to the audience Sim equally content mastered nonetheless work on your delivery the delivery can weigh you down you have the content but you normally speak in a monoton work on that Wonga an interesting way of speaking excellent style of speaking rebuttal was good Claris another good speaker just composed and you speak so well and
28:38 you're persuasive actually robera equally you are convincing kapanga as always persuasive and convincing actually the two teams have done as proud Claris wow Christine wow but because the two teams were very good we had to check at the least mistake that you do for us to penalize you when the bell goes and you still go on and the bell goes a second time you may lose lots of marks because of that then Christine you say that uh uh you don't think a teacher
29:24 alongside a computer is replacement and and that gave a point to Ron who came and immediately clarified the motion in saying that as a as a cross- examiner that we're talking about replacement so at that particular point it was a weakening to your team kapanga wow no words for you let me go to my forces Ron again wow you at some point accused the opposition no the proposition that um by them saying that the long on book should be shouldn't be in the school um that was a point of advantage for Kenya High School to say that this book can as well be into the computers
30:10 and placed there but the cross examination didn't note that so Rodney um you're great you connect very well with the audience uh but at some point I was afraid because when you ask a question to the audience expecting an answer what if the audience gives you the unexpected answer however I guess the numbers in the audience helped you so congratulations to the winning team this is very hard I can even feel my voice shaking a bit so all the best Kenya High School uh comprising of Claris Christine and espania great debate I enjoyed listening to each one of you but just a few things that you may need to think about
30:58 um I think the first two presenters almost made me uh think that there were no female uh there were no male teachers in high schools because you kept on talking about this female teacher and she you know so you need to be gender sensitive I'm sure you have male teachers in school if not at your school maybe at another neighboring school and you also dwelt a lot on the attitude of the teachers which then raised certain questions you know is is are you implying that teachers have an attitude problem and so computers will come and feel that Gap so you know that uh you dwelt so much on that one aspect and uh at least you're lucky that esparcia came
31:43 in with more examples and saved the day but overall brilliant brilliant performance from the three of you uh Mo forces academy uh I think you guys Jael with the audience there was a bit of chemistry there and uh you know they kept on clapping and and cheering you along the way Edward good research and knowledge of the subject matter I think I love every time you stand in front here because I also learned something from you very good um Ron again a very mature speaker very uh you know composed but you may need to work on your you know language and grammar and I'll keep
32:29 repeating this I'll never get tired of it we don't say second of all secondly and so you lost a score you lost some marks there uh but I like the references that you make and comparing different planning styles that was really really good Rodney very good speaker I like your style and presentation I love every time you come on because I'm waiting for a surprise but I didn't understand the the ring and the left finger analogy in relation to what we were talking about today but overall great performance from the three of you all the best to the two teams Kenya High the judges gave you
33:15 82% please give them a round of [Applause] applause with such a high score the judge gave Mo forces Academy [Applause] 84% the audience decided to give Mo forces an extra 5% and they have 89% so Mo forces are our winners for this debate please give them a round of [Applause] applause to the Kenya High School rest easy
34:00 tonight knowing your Victors in your own right Mo forces Academy that was a brilliant performance we look forward to seeing you next time to both teams thank you for such a thrilling debate from us here at the show it's goodbye till next time I am your host Mariam bishar and I am Austin yumbo the winning school will get an ICT chill out Zone with the widecreen TV computers webcams and internet connection the teacher from the winning School gets 100,000 Shillings courtesy of Chase Bank the winning students each get a tablet courtesy of safaricom a gift hamper from unila and a gift hamper from mimi. co. ke and together they all win the title The Great Debaters May the best School [Music]
34:55 win [Music]
