Pokemon: Gotta Watch 'Em All! | Pokemon Kyurem VS The Sword of Justice | Pokemon Movie Podcast

0:00 [Music] hey guys what is up cjb back again with another episode of pokemon gotta watch them all after a month break i think month and a half ish um we hit just a strut of we couldn't get the building

0:47 uh vacations came into place um scheduling conflicts et cetera et cetera but we're back and actually when we record this it'll probably still be two weeks before you get it based on what else is coming out but that's okay because we are back with kirum versus the swords of justice first off let's introduce people on the couch i've got can i perfect i got a guy chris and i got john hey you're supposed to say anything i know i'm very excited for this one yeah i'm very excited for this one i won't say why so yeah we we uh watched uh this week we watched kieran versus the sword of justice which i've been saying the swords of justice um realizing these movies slowly be like kirum versus keldeo um other thing we're going to try and change the format a little bit we still

1:33 want to go through the plot of the movie but we're going to try and change it from danny reads for an hour and then we interject when we can and kind of just talk and we're going to see how this goes so the formula it's it's a work in progress yet again anyway um so yeah chris had a couple ideas as far as like introducing the movie and how best to discuss it um so i guess first i'll read the synopsis from the movie um i grabbed this from the pokemon website which i'm going to continue to do uh pokemon kirin versus the sword of justice ash and pikachu along with their friends iris and silent are on a train headed to the next stop on their journey from the train ash spots an injured pokemon one he's never seen before he's trying to figure out how he can help with help when the train is attacked by

2:19 legendary kieran [ __ ] this dragon the strongest dragon in the world uh a dragon type pokemon with immense power ash and the others barely managed to escape the rampaging kirin attack as the dust settles they turn their attention to the injured pokemon the new acquaintance turns out to be the mythical pokemon keldeo and it's on a mission to rescue its friends kobelian tarakion and verizon the legendary pokemon known as the swords of justice from kiram's ice clutches so that's what i've been saying but the movie says verizon verizon yeah i kept hearing verizon and i was like i was like when is someone gonna ask me about my data management i'm waiting can you hear me now his

3:05 pokedex enters the data there's just a rise of red shirts so can i ask you about your monthly uh bill payments um but kiram rampage uh kieran's rampage isn't over it's drawing power from resharam and zach rom changing into black hero and white girom to make its attacks even stronger why is karen attacking ash and his friends with such unrelenting theory how will they be able to overcome his danger to protect its friends to discover true power and genuine courage and to persevere its bond with ash and its companions a str a hidden strength hidden within keldeo yeah what did you guys think of the movie so it's a nice kelvio's voice by vic menada yeah that's nice good that's it that's a good good boy today

3:52 i love them i think this movie does a fantastic job of not being bad but does a really bad job of being great absolutely so it's like a for me like it like it it's not though it doesn't do bad of course the worst it's not going to work it's like like can i say it's like perfectly like right in the middle this should have been a special i that's what i said i don't think this should have been a movie at all i think this could have been an easy three-part special in the anime and i think it would have succeeded better at what it did as a movie so i wrote three things that i liked about it um vic being one of them i actually thought that was a good choice for kel deo's voice it fit the this is the first time i watched the movie in english okay uh it was because he was the voice actor oh yeah i gotta watch that i don't know who the [ __ ] the japanese one is though so i understand the first

4:38 time you watch keldeo in english or any of these movies any of these people okay uh ash not having the like the mandatory tournament lane or prophecy okay uh that was nice sure he didn't have that uh it's short and flimsy uh and by that i mean i think the mobile is really bad and the fact that it was the shorts it did doesn't make it as bad as like metaphy you know i mean yeah because battlefield's unnecessarily long and i thought that moment was bad this one was short so like yeah you can i mean i did watch this movie twice okay so because how short it is i was like well let me watch it again and see if like yeah i think it's like hour 11 both this and yeah that's next and it has a nice message behind it you know slice matters

5:24 so that's the message um yeah i don't have a lot of negative things to say about the movie but i also don't have a lot of positive right yeah and watching these movies when i have to sit and take the notes to make sure i have like hey mention the things that you thought about during the movie and don't forget like that's gonna be good for content remember it it just felt kind of like a chore to have to focus on this movie when i feel like it could have been a very easy like turn it on and i know people use like background noise to be like i need something in the background to play this literal background noise like you don't have to pay attention to the movie and you could probably watch the first five minutes and the last five minutes and understood what happened yeah like it very much just background noise and i

6:10 think that's what kept knocking it down for me when i was like i have to focus on this um i think the animation was great i think there's a lot of cool things there's a lot of good fights the cast of pokemon i feel bad very minuscule which go figure i have to pick for the poll this week first so i have a great selection that that opening segment gave you yeah like every pokemon almost do i opt out and just use that i i i was i was because because after i finished i was like all right let me go back to see what i can pull from because i saw one person particularly that's all i need i think this is one of the movies that would have shown so much better without ash like i hate it because you guys are saying a lot of positives and now i'm going to sound like an [ __ ] because i wrote all the negatives for me

6:55 but one of those was that i don't think ash wasn't here for this movie at all i actually think ash devalues the story of kelvio the only reason ash exists is for keldeo to have somebody to defend that's the only reason yeah but the problem with that is that the whole point was that keldeo was supposed to prove that he was worthy even though he was told that he wasn't worthy and they were right by the way yeah absolutely this is the same trope that you see where it's like the rebellious teenager and everybody's like you're not ready so essentially finding nemo spider-man homecoming the x-men trilogy empire strikes back where you have that one character's like i'm ready and everybody's like no you're not and yeah they're not what happens yeah and then they redeem themselves so uh this movie didn't have to happen if kelio was on a piece of [ __ ] and just

7:41 listen and say oh yeah let me keep training you know uh i think that's the problem for me and that's why i don't think ash was needed um because i mean ash's sole purpose was to just go hey cody oh you got this you're not afraid anymore yeah yeah but the thing is just get shot is technically he failed the trial because ash had to intervene and help now they never said you can't have help which is kind of [ __ ] implied right so like technically kyodo at the train scene that would have been the end of the trial because kieran would have gotten to him so it's one of those things where i'm like he didn't earn it he had help outside interference so like in theory when this happens again in the future what's going to happen when ash's not around and

8:26 so i don't think the point of the trial is to win the fight i think the point of the trial is to learn the responsibility of being a sort of job so i wrote that down they never say that they never say that though i wrote that down so i they do not say it directly but i know like start the movie starts early with cobain being i the phrasing i think it's like you have to learn the weight of the sword of the sword which i know so what is that though so like when did cart kalio keldeo learned the weight of the sword i think i think it was defends that when it was during the fighting sequence when he was doing when he remembered what um all the three individual swords were saying as he was running like going through and the when you hear terraculum belliana

9:13 verizion when you heard when you heard that and then like like it looked like he was like actually implementing and taking part what they were saying even fighting kirim when he was really didn't even have the sword yet when he started to adapting to it and then like like it all kind of came to a climax when he was able to form the sword and because even kyogre was like that's it yeah now this is a real fight because now your true power is coming out and even though like kyron ends up like putting his foot on the horn as dominance it's still it was more cairo is used more as a measuring stick no than it is and then he has anything else which i think it was like a nice touch because the measuring stick that couldn't calm the [ __ ] down how to chase

9:59 a horse across the planet i had to teach him a lesson you know just like freezing everything there's no story there's no backstory to kiram why he does this just a dragon husk get an ice cap yeah it's just a dragon that just decided to be a dick uh from if you're looking at it from you know it's just a dragon that's like oh yeah this just happens and uh see i see what you guys are saying with that with those things i still didn't get that from watching that to me it just felt that it was very like convenient like sure you said action's only there so that kelly oh yeah he's absolutely just there to be protected that didn't have to be asheville i could have been a friend yeah that could have been because honestly breaking out getting shot at him defending it could have absolutely not connected because i think it would have been a better movie without it yeah i think it

10:44 would have been awesome instead of having the train sequence with the involving ash like instead like they just did a whole bit where it was like caldeo like like having to fend for himself and through just living on his own without his mentors like having to practice what they did i think that could have been a lot better but there's like a ten thousand different ways you could do this without ash i just don't know why i think they could have nailed it if this was mellow what it was gen five or gen six let's jump faster because she gets a short after this yeah that's not a full movie and she also gets part of that yeah being like we don't need ash keldeo is trying to fight can't win meets mellowetta and then melody takes the place of ash

11:30 100 the thing to save right um go back to kirum oh no melo was in danger kelly helps it could have been like a mystery dungeon style could have been it would have been cool for like meluda to find him and befriend him and then him be like i have a new friend who's going to help me fight cure him and then she gets in danger way to the sword at this point but yeah she yeah yeah also i'm not going to mellow out i watch this with one of my friends and she brought up that this movie could have been uh instead of actually going to use team rocket and want to have the movie because you could have to stop play team rocket but they're captured using rocket to catch keldeo but through the whole thing county thinks they're friends so he protects them and then they're like all right we're not going to capture you

12:16 you know kind of thing uh unique i think that uh like i said i think ash is the problem for me because like it feels like kelvin didn't earn it um another thing i wrote was five talking pokemon five yeah yeah the next movie has six yeah it felt like a yeah okay okay of it didn't piss me off but it was something that bugged the hell out of me the entire movie because i feel like telepathy now is just a staple

13:01 in every movie someone talks so it makes sense when it's a psychic type 100 you want to do a second type 100 even a basic abrupt doing it i'm like oh yeah i'm okay i'll even i'll even give just a box our legendary like if kyogre and groudon did it i think now because we're so far out and it was funny if we went back and saw him do it right exactly but if they had if they had we probably would have accepted it at five yeah i agree but something about keldeo the three swords i i would give it to kira and kel keldeoka's art yeah but like there's a moment where uh kobalian's like hey he's not ready but he's not moving his mouth yeah he's talking mentally to tarakion and varisian and kelli was like i'm not ready for what and i'm like

13:48 why did he telepathically say that to keldeo yeah if you weren't talking to keldeo he was whispering it when he yeah yeah yeah and i'm like how did like because telepathy you're not like if i'm over here like hey can i know what's going on like i'm hiring what i'm saying to you two yeah if i'm doing telepathy i'm not whispering what i have to say so you guys don't have to hear it like and like it was such a minuscule thing that i feel like was probably just overlooked but i just bugged the [ __ ] out of there there's an entire so many parts where like keldeo is saying something telepathically it seems like ash doesn't hear it yeah like he like has to re-ask something about it i'm like okay it also takes 20 minutes to get to oh it takes it takes 17 minutes to get to roundup i'm fine with that i just had 20. so the whole time with the whole intro

14:34 well that was going to say the whole beginning was nice and then i got to the edge part and i was like okay uh ashes they always have to have one scene where they make ash dumb by the way yeah because there's the scene where like they're getting the box lunches and they're just like 15 box lunches which i was like that's for the pokemon they have i get it whatever and then they're just like wait a minute and you're like he's like oh my god i love scratching i'm like him use your pokeball bring him back and and he's just like he's like come on scrafty jump threaten your own light get on the train and then jump at the train and then he runs to the junction of the train cars and he's like snivy go get him and i'm like why couldn't you do that from the window if you're going to use sniping anyway just do it from the phone there were four steps ash could have taken there before he finally yeah and i was

15:20 like god you're so dumb um one other thing about me is that um he didn't even do like a head count like our head how did you pikachu smelled an injured telepathic pokemon he was like a [ __ ] horse so i wrote this a snow plot and i wrote it wrong because i mix it up but i put there's no reason for kelly to want we never know what the reason for kelio wanting to be a sword justice other than he wants it then it's cool yeah like that's not so there's like because of that there's no tension there's no hurdle to get to other than kiroma

16:05 yeah i mean and then the same thing like we don't know why kiram is there we don't know i mean not why is there but why does he do this he said imply that the other three [ __ ] them up uh i think he's i don't think it's i think it's less of a like kiram is a bad guy they're the good guys i think it's more of like to be a sort of justice you have to go through a child's passage yeah right one sense that they never explain what any of that is so it's kind of shitty that like what i think that would have helped keldie's story is for generations like our people have been you know here's a test of money and then they could explain what a sword you know is but in here it's like he never says why he wants it he just kind of wants it right and i think that it would have helped because the thing i learned about this movie is it has a lot of implications

16:52 like because like like it's kind of like like implied when because like kyurem has to make like the ice arena and he's like walk i like walk through the pillars i thought that was cool because that's where it feels like that's the start of that trial like it's like this is your final test if you can conquer this and you can have kyram like help draw out that hidden power then you're a sword of justice so i like the moment of the cage coming that was the second time it's even more yeah i think that's really intense i i had this like feeling of hollowness when kelio passed through it i expected like a psychic energy shield to be like all right cool you're in this one of us leaves right and i guess you can't do that otherwise the plot to press forward can't exist because basically karen would be like you can't get out so i kill you

17:39 and kill this guy but i think it's like like one of those unspoken things where it's like if it's like the fight anything that takes place happens within the area it's not going to exceed that because then that's that could cause more harm and cause like a structural yeah like implosion i think it was just uh this is to make sure you're ready like uh like a final intimidation like if you're if you think you're ready to fight me this is where the game would be yeah this is where it starts make sure you get your medicine before you go in yeah it's like are you sure you want to do this and there's a save point right before the game yeah um they're also the three swords don't have any character at all yeah land boring i think that they could i don't know i think the problem with this movie is they i think they were given a time limit because there's no way they chose the time that was given with how many characters are involved

18:24 and like the plot and whatever what was the movie before this one uh the last one we watched is black and white like what yeah that's probably why yeah yeah it probably did so bad that they were working on tight budget um i like one of the reunion things of gen five it's actually the three what are they called the three musketeers of justices no no it's like are these guys these guys the resources i was closing something else i can't remember but i think three musketeers fits yeah yeah i i think they're one of the coolest things of gen five oh yeah i use kabalyero in the story because like he's [ __ ] badass um i wish they would have dwell more and i think again like all my uh all my notes are based on the movies too short and i think they didn't have time to

19:10 flesh these things out but a backstory and even showing each one of them doing the tests that have been me like uh i think i would have really helped see that yeah because like my friend brought up the idea that if they would have shown like a flashback of each of the like the swords doing like a unique whether it's dodging a move and then having kel deal doing that without knowing that they did it that way kind of like the whole father and son doing the same moves whatever i did that when i was like you talk about some of the dynamic ass movement in that final fight though that shit's [ __ ] crazy when he's like jetting off the walls and then the the final like you got this kellyanne the [ __ ] blast goes up to ash and he just jumps up he's just the [ __ ] like and the ball just [ __ ]

19:58 uh i put this because i watched it the second time the town the little ice town no humans yeah whatsoever is that there's no they're going to this town that's supposed to be [ __ ] flushing with people everything they talked about it and then like you get there no there's one guy yeah in the background i think i think literally all they did was they were like okay black and white bad idea uh this is the mythical event yeah that we're doing um make caldeo look cool yeah and they were like cool cool fight scenes this is also the only movie that doesn't introduce uh character um no side character yeah because the next movie is technically considered a gen sex movie oh is it yeah yeah next one six megas yeah so like this is the transition so this is the first movie

20:44 where we transition what's up gen six is just my favorite gen and the fact that that's the star oh boy okay i mean i'm excited to talk about genocide it's okay there's two movies that kind of redeemed gen six uh i'm looking forward to genesect movie so yeah we just found out that hoop is in the next pairing and all yeah yeah but yeah like i said it's this is the first movie that doesn't introduce the new pokemon because we had like the same dumb fan in the first movie and then we had like you know eight traditionally yeah so there's the first one uh i didn't notice that during the second place because uh or second watch and i was thinking to myself like john's playing in the movies they could have used like the metalletta thing that you're bringing up

21:31 or that you brought up they couldn't use a new project for my credit yeah yeah yeah they could have my podcast give me that money instead of ash they could easily use i mean they already have talking pokemon the next one had six so they could add an extra one here yeah and they could have added whatever what's a pokemon from gen six that can fit like the white like uh even something like an orange group honestly because the wise well that's that's seven that's seven yeah over a ninja a wise pokemon uh like an innocent pokemon that might get hurt you could do flave but i don't think i don't think we have a zoroark in gen six do we we don't have like a really weird

22:22 [Music] yeah he was like yeah gen six might not have that yeah oh you know what mega lucario yeah because that's why that's why karina huh yeah and that was that yeah i don't even remember what they're missing i guess diane's here yeah because it's because it's funny because when would they the guy was like i [ __ ] hate him but but there's a movie that's in the future that uses greninja a lot better than i think any other movie that gen 6 could have used pokemon evolution yeah 100 are you looking at the decks yeah this is the first one we got like a super small decks um oh six yeah six as i look towards the end like the the end cast like pseudo area is like gumida gujra

23:08 i love goon that's pretty much yeah and he does learn sacred sword right yeah he does unless you do something with meow stick or something david i think honestly could have worked very well yeah yeah it's not the same level i feel like heliolisk or whatever would have been a goofy one i think what a goofy phone yeah i think with that many talking pokemon and how little the humans are actually in the movie it would have just been better to make it a pokemon based movie like there are definitely things that could have made it better yeah backstories uh more from the swords less human was it i think it was

23:54 stunfish [ __ ] shines though because he was just like all the trainees like tristan around like oh actually pikachu was silent he's like stun fist i'm like oh and then he's like oh because i know you love the movie uh was it pokemon 2000 the one that had like the special before where there was like the giant tree and then it had like all like pikachu and squirtle so every movie from the first one all the way to gem the one of the delicate when they're trying to save togepi i think i think that's it yeah because like i vividly remember that like if they just did something like that but with this would have been so much better so i actually like those the shorts and they get them from gen one to gen three and then they stop halfway through three and then they did it again for one of the

24:41 uh one of the gentlemen yeah yeah and then they did it again in june like seven i think um overall like i said for me it's just i think the time crunch is what ruins the movie and i think because of that they have to skip like you s i think you said the whole lot of things here i imply yeah but like when you're a little kid you're not implying yeah you're not looking for that because like like if you look at like how all of all of them are interacting the the swords are talking about what kelly was going through in their past tense yeah so it's like it's implied that they're doing the same thing but as a kid you're not putting two and two together as an adult you're like okay they're the phrasing

25:26 is different but as a kid you're just like why aren't they fighting yeah big scary dragon don't burr i do think i do like like a lot of people hate kelly also a lot of people hate kale deal i actually like kelio i like resolute form yeah i hate normal form normal form looks like they just took my little pony yeah i actually like all the pokemon like the main like the spotlight yeah i like the tears i like kelvio and i like hero i think this is the first movie where i do like all the legendaries that are involved so visually it looks good and i think that i just like i said the time crunch i mentioned this last time with a victini i think kelly doesn't stay low for me we're like i forget it's a mythical yeah like i forget it exists yeah and then when it shows up i'm like

26:12 i feel like they also gonna show up the water aspect of keldeo they do that a lot though yeah they do though because when he did because when they had that bit where like he had like his like his like one of his hind legs or it was probably both of them where it was like encased in ice and he's like this fight isn't over yet and then he uses the water to get and break himself out i thought that was so cool that's a nice the whole ending fight is fantastic yeah that part that part's good i think the conclusion of this movie is probably the most redeemable i think it's a start of the movie that's i like out of the things that i write about it's literally the star of the movie which is like he just wants to be a sword human's interaction no reason for why like

26:57 the the plot moves and it's kind of odd the way that it does so all the stuff that i wrote down essentially it is about the beginning of the movie but actually don't have complaints about the ending of the movie i think this could have killed as like uh i think pokemon generations was the first youtube series they did where they're like here's a small snippet from people pokemon first first five minutes last five minutes keldio goes in loses trains comes back wins yeah you obviously then you have to kind of write off ash and figure out another way to do that but um i think it would have succeeded a lot more as a short 10 minute thing than yeah the first 20 minutes and the last like the first and last 20 minutes of the movie are where it shines yeah it's phenomenal and you lose a lot of the cool things from both those

27:43 sections when you introduce ash and have the like well we're friends now kelly oh it's like and even even cody was like you just met me he's like there's a matter of taco yeah okay this there's a little pita sandwich eat it he's like he [ __ ] that box up dog he's like yeah we got more box lunches um but yeah no the the middle part of this movie is where it loses a lot of its uh momentum but i don't think that makes it a bad movie like i said i think the excellent parts in my opinion outweigh the middle bad part and it makes it a better movie than it is a bad movie but it it does not do a good job of being outstanding like it does a really good job of being a average good pokemon this could have easily been either a special or two episode yeah yeah absolutely which they do at

28:29 two episode arcs all the time like usually when a legendary gets introduced they'll do like uh kiro part one here on part two so they yeah they do this all the time i don't know why they didn't do it for this one and that means like when can i and i were talking in uh discord i was like this felt like a good modern day shonen yeah okay but that's just that like like what it felt like visuals and just like the pacing of it i'm like it just felt like a like an hour long special i should have had three like credit rolls come up and be like oh we'll be right back after this mess and then this happened stop it it was nice that the the no i've got to fire my mouth there's no enemy team like there's no like rocket right antagonist was pretty much just kiram yeah and

29:14 i and it wasn't and that one's a very loose leak i hear them i i've said it before i like when there's not just a like hardcore pure cut bad guy that they need to be the bad guy i do like when there's that gray area i i it wasn't my favorite part it was black and white because black and white was a [ __ ] show but i liked that it was like a moral gray area oh i [ __ ] up like i it was more interesting just being like here's this rich guy with a bunch of money who wants this pokemon really really really bad instead of slapping another dude in jail i'd be like all right cool yeah that's gonna happen that's something i talked about with chris earlier is that i like that this guy showed up and was like i'm here to test you again he doesn't necessarily say that but from implications of later scenes it's like it's like go ahead walk through the gate if you think you're ready and then it's like i

30:00 i'm lied to you and i was not ready uh i put all the other swords at risk so kieran's like [ __ ] you learn a lesson and then he chases him down he's like you learn the way like he doesn't say that like i said he doesn't say it it's all implied but he's like learn the way to your sword and then come back and then he comes back and he's like go ahead walk through the gate if you think you're ready and then it's like good you learned your lesson yeah your sword of justice now still kicked your ass but yeah you forfeited victory to save a friend right therefore you are the best yeah you what you here's your here's your participation you're a sort of justice i i like i like the different than just like bad guys show up bad guy lose bad guy arrested by officer jenny because i'm okay i'm okay with i do like when there is a villain i just don't like when the villains

30:47 repeat themselves like i saw these a lot of these movies the villain's motive is power right imagine if every movie had laurence the third that's how's this game like a lot of the movies did feel like lawrence was the villain um i think it was like two movies after that zero zero is basically lawrence but like with a more i don't wanna say more clear-cut but a more defined goal on birds that i don't like but i do like when we're gonna have the villains like joe donnie as a villain i like because he's like this minute like he's when you look at him he looks like the final boss on the level he's also a pre-established bad guy you don't have to introduce a whole bad guy so i think that having taking a break from having your generic villain helps a lot and i i do like the movies where like i mean pokemon the first movie

31:32 having mewtwo as kind of your villain for half the movie felt really nice because it's like a human like you [ __ ] shoot him with a gun which is another good bad guy because he learns his lesson is like [ __ ] maybe i need to reevaluate and he leaves i like that i think that uh having a villain that you can't just i always call it the the conundrum which is having a villain that i can't that i can just point a gun and chill and kill him and that's the solution it's a bad villain so for example lawrence you can just mute to kira and that it's always nice when you have something like this where there's a lot more execution going on as you're doing it um i want to step back to the almost irrelevant humans of the movie because basically iris and silence show up to we got to get kelio to

32:19 kiram's palace then they [ __ ] off and let me sacrifice by distracting them with me yeah and then the krygonal which are kiram's like slacky yeah sidekick which i did like that i like the best i like which follows the pokedex entry so yeah because they do go to the coldest area um but it's just kind of like she runs off you're not kelly oh [ __ ] your blimp and then you're not kyodio [ __ ] your train where is this uh silent gets like the short end of the stick because he's like oh the crocodile no problem wrecked the the train tunnel and then kieran's just like where the [ __ ] the horse but there's one moment where they flash

33:04 but it was almost like when brock just always knows about the legendary in the movie like oh the legendary insert name here of the box art i hated that i hated that so much that was the worst part of the movie yeah when it when it's just like my elder told me about kieran yeah he's the strongest dragon flashback forward 20 minutes later oh he can transform it to restaurant it's that crop and that's it and i was like why yeah so that's what this leads into so because like when she does that like i've heard of kira my elder told me about it due to the flashback she goes who's the strongest dragon and they have the elder goes like oh you're not gonna like that answer but like never really establishes why she won't like that answer i'm like does just saying kiram the big ice dragon is that is that gonna break her spirit i mean too much i think i think it's because in the anime uh iris this whole thing and she's gonna

33:51 become a dragon master okay so she's like you're never gonna get this guy yeah and i think it's because like uh she she leaves her area because she wants to prove that she can become a driver yeah she can't catch us like 10 non-dragons one of her things is that like she always does the whole ash you're still stupid you don't know this and it's like she'll say it and then silent always has to like well iris and like you're actually she says she says something that's like half-assed and silent so i was like well actually and then silent he's the brock essentially yeah so i think that scene was more because uh iris is supposed to be very amateurish when it comes to dragon types which is the problem that she has because she did the same thing keldeo does which is she could stay home and train and become

34:37 a good driving trainer nope going to go on an adventure and catch a bunch of non dragon types yeah so the thing is i guess also is pre fairy type curium is everything a dragon hates these ice and dragons yeah so like going up against that yeah i would hate that if i was a dragon trainer would you say something there's a beautiful sylveon just because it just slaps them with ribs um but yeah no because like kyurem like i mean like that the edition actually i don't even know why i say count came this goes back to why i don't like iris as a trainer because there was like one scene in particular i've ever watched and from black man i'm like all right i don't want to watch this and it was when they were at like a restaurant ashes talking about his time with charizard and iris is like i can beat him

35:22 so then so then charizard comes back from the charismatic valley he's like all like ready like square up and then there's like that part where like dragonite and charizard are flying at each other they're both using dragon claw and iris is just like oh i'm gonna win because charizard's a dragon and ash is like well no he's not and then she's like what and then charizard is just like i'm yeah no i'm not a [ __ ] empire flying [ __ ] but like keep in mind that iris is dragonite's most used move with dragon it's thunder punch never won the she used thunder punch on [ __ ] charizard you know her dumb ass not thinking it's a flying type yeah like yeah fire dragon or whatever she thought it was um the [ __ ] has wings but the thing is the thing is you haven't watched anime

36:07 i've seen before black and white i've seen parts of most so adding a scene like that to the movie makes no sense right and i i hate when they do that because there's times where uh i i have seen the anime uh i don't see it when it's coming out you should see it when it's out and then white yeah binge it all together but i noticed that a lot of the movies rely on like pre-existing knowledge of i think that's the issue with making most of the movies about ash because like you have to yeah i know because that's initially that's how you drew kids in and you're like i only know ashton pikachu i haven't had the games i haven't done this i've done that but like now like you can just throw a pokemon in the movie look how well the elaine special did i mean the elaine special broke [ __ ] records pokemon origins [ __ ] yeah it's amazing yeah everything i saw a lady reboot the franchise special had better

36:53 reception than half the movies that they have done and then ash was not part of it they did use char stars marketing because they're right if they have to use chargers why wouldn't you yeah i'd rather see them use but overused pokemon than using ash because ash just sets the president that like we have to show ash being dumb we have to have ash use at least one pokemon that's not pikachu and pikachu has to take main stage at some point yeah that's it because because i mean like this could also help kind of have them build their cinematic universe which is like like like gen 7 was all about like the ultra beasts and how they affect space and time because i mean ultra sun and ultra moon did it perfectly where they were like hey all these villains from the past like giovanni and gets this they're all coming back but like imagine they did that with like the movies right like you had different protagonists and

37:40 different antagonists seventh gen time hits and then it's all of the protagonists and antagonists coming back that would have been hype you know the sino avengers whenever like uh the portals are open you can see black tulip going um start beating the [ __ ] out of pokemon on her own uh both allies like enemies so i guess i'll just chalk that up to iris then just ignore it being awful um because i can't remember like in the game she's a champ and then watch out like how the [ __ ] is she the champ she's in the mom in the manga she's actually really [ __ ] smart but her character is very different than the in the anime and the anime is definitely geared because they needed somebody to play over ash the way may

38:26 and dawn did i just don't think iris hit the mark yeah not at all but you know sometimes you can't enjoy sunny day without a day and you know who we get after iris serena yeah uh and bonnie and clyde um i guess the only other thing i clement that's what i meant clemens same thing same kids um i think the only other thing that bugged the hell out of me was kirum's ability to turn into black and white that without that bother me without them or the split because you need the dna splicers and it's one or the other but then they're like hey you remember that that just flip around so it's weird because in the manga he doesn't have to do that he can do it at well okay as long as he's within a certain

39:11 distance from the cave oh so this is just spanning but but the thing yeah uh but the thing is is that because of the game we're conditioned to think you need the splicers i consider the games to be a lot more mainstream than the manga so their creative chose to do that it's really [ __ ] weird because realistically not that many people read the manga so that's a horrible like way to if you're going that route that's a horrible way to do it um and if you're going the game route then you need to show the splice or even show like you need a way to do that you should like to [ __ ] skull one of them or something something that he can resonate and touch and say oh yeah i'm black hero now or like yeah which i mean like the whole thing like you were saying like like like

39:57 within like a certain distance like from the cave that could have worked yeah because because kyren just walks into like a dark abyss we don't know where the [ __ ] he goes we don't know like what it is that could have worked if the movie before didn't involve zach kram and restaurant being somewhere entirely [ __ ] different so i guess now i'm thinking like bro they're just chilling in the back yeah if you guys using me now or you're good we wrote this without ash in them right and this say this took place simultaneously during black and white oh that would have been where i'm all the sun's like i need to splice into zechariah disappears from black and white movie and it's just smacked into trying to kill keldeo it's like all right well i'm done with you insect i was like okay where were we we were doing something here kira had to borrow me from right before

40:43 they were about to just what an elephant as they're as they're pushing the sword back from space after scene that's the sword of justice me i'll get it oh there's a horse kid looking for this thing yeah he just grabs it by the handle and swings at it whoa kid calm down that's too much weight you want a sword injustice sorry kinder kills all musketeers and everything cuts the world in half i mean it's most of the characters he's voiced have that kind of power yeah i feel like really listening we've kind of just talked about though there's not much substance to it you kind of just you're right it's there like i mean like with an

41:28 runtime of like an hour and 11 minutes like when i looked i was like oh oh [ __ ] this is this is going to be a short day yeah like it was like i was like how much is there to talk like how much action is in this like for the time they were given they did the most with what they could i'm sure sacrifices had to be made but if they would have done like almost an hour and 40 like some of the previous movies it probably could have been one of the best yeah i think it could have been it could it had the potential to do it and then just with that run time and the lack of plot and clarity i think who's picking for the poll me yeah okay yeah because you picked first for uh that's wrong black and white that was kind of [ __ ] in there yeah you're like oh [ __ ] uh this guy i guess

42:16 yes um yeah nice typical credits roll um gang in the blimp kelly was oh yeah they do the like i never understand when people do that like all right we're gonna leave by and the person on the ground just runs after him for another five minutes until like they officially like they reach the cliff of like bye now i'll see you so this movie had me thinking like i was like hallucinating half of it because the guy was like all right because they did like a lot of like jump cuts where it's like you see like iris in the air with like the blunt and it gets frozen over and kyron flies away and then all of a sudden she's with ash and i'm like what the [ __ ] did i miss like what did she get from up here to down here where is that i took notes i took notes when he froze the blip i'm like i put something like gonna crash i'm gonna crash and blunt [ __ ]

43:02 um and then later she's flying a frozen blimp so yeah i'll come pick you up after after the cry going on i don't think that the heroes stop silence then she comes in with the blimp says silence yeah then they go and meet ashley animators on this channel yeah like in pokemon cause like every time there's a blimp it's just like that's not how blimps work freeze it and it fall and then go back up it's fine and went right before i hit the floor just jump so you don't you don't die yeah i mean i'll never forget the one one of the scenes where he's selling and he just and then just cut to something else and then it's like why it's okay there'll be another one with kieran and actually who's that guy what the [ __ ] is this that's the next movie that's the next

43:48 movie i think i should have a [ __ ] meltdown i swear i should take this time to make sure that i read in dante's information i didn't even mention the beginning dante's not here he had a prior engagement at the end of this week exactly uh prior engagement he's still getting that divorce paperwork finally he said hey um divorce went well danny here he said i know but you know paper trails and you gotta finish some things up you know um but he wrote in his notes for the movie and i'll read his three paragraph summary oh god oh my gosh uh interesting movie comparatively to some of the others we've watched i don't think it's astounding but it doesn't necessarily offend either there's a couple of baffling things in this movie like how they break a new museum that apparently isn't locked it has a functional blimp that irish just knows how to fly

44:33 and team rocket is shown in the movie but doesn't do anything to find blimps because in the in her city that's just that's how they travel in her city that's how they travel is through blimps yeah because they they have a big-ass [ __ ] city and they use their dragon ties to use fire and they and then that's an actual didn't know that i was really curious how she learned how to fly the blimp but i was just like whatever i get it they needed i don't recall i'm not saying you're wrong there anyway yes i don't have any memory of dragon city being blind oriented i know they also have maybe the anime or in the games too or not just from the anime yeah in the game it's like like four like that's gonna

45:18 have like four houses in it i have because she does steal team rockets uh they do steal team rockets blind book a couple times throughout the anime and she's like the one the the team rocket thing i personally think it's better that they have no say in the story i like just the cameo of like they're still following the kids but they're waiting for them to get into the death especially it's a tired gimmick they just need a legit jesse james and meowth get rest they don't they need to go back to canton that's the region where they were spies yeah so dante's thing was why didn't show up at this point i know we were critical of team rocket lately but i genuinely just can't just enjoy their comedy i guess you're just an easter egg for this movie yeah um i agree with him at that point like i i i like their comedy i like their moments and even though like we talk [ __ ] where they show up for five

46:05 minutes of a movie for funny bits i like that right they don't have to be the antagonist they don't have to be um they never nice to me but yeah i guess i just i because you mentioned this morning we have the discord and i'm like yeah team rockets and they're like yeah they're at the beginning i'm like are they yeah on the train when uh the train's going you'll see james on a cell phone and like a trench coat and then you see jesse doing the same thing yeah they're like communicating where they're at at that point for me i feel like the bit we see in the credits of them doing their thing i'm like i'd rather just have that than have them pop up at the beginning to literally not come again i think it's just a preference for me because i'm like i probably would have been if i noticed when steamrock could come in so the thing is the song james is harder to notice than jesse because james it's like top down you see

46:51 short blue spiky hair and the trench coat and then you see him turn around he's talking on the phone jesse you see the big [ __ ] crescent swoop red hair same outfit and i was like oh that was jesse and james that's just mail um so this is one of those movies that i think for me suffers from not enough time to establish characters as well as well as not knowing how to handle its stakes not every story needs to have world ending stakes like darkrai arceus but then at that point i feel you really have you need you really need to have your audience be invested in the personal struggle of the character keldeo and then in parentheses the hedgehog just ends up having a few flashbacks as well as time in the beginning to establish this bond with its friends and when they get frozen i just don't

47:36 feel the impact then later he just kind of gets over his fear of fighting because ash does the thing ash always does uh at least with lucario movie they both had a journey and it made sense to why lucario was still in the star ash ash's company barely spent what felt like an evening with keldeo but like i said it's not all bad i think the movie is beautifully animated especially when it comes to battles involving creatures that aren't humanoid uh voice acting is solid i feel it made me even like the swords of justice a bit more in conclusion not the worst i've watched but i can't uh really put it that high up either and then he gives me his placement okay so um he actually reminded me of something i was i was going to ask you or uh just having danny how do you feel about kyram and his uh grunting into

48:24 worst voice yeah it sounds like you woke up your grandpa from like a really good nap and he's just like grandpa it's time for dinner he's like oh because he's like oh you are like he just got woke up from announcement yo square up i quit every attack from kyra every second here sounds like he's puking it's pretty bad it's pretty [ __ ] bad because there's moments where like i would think i would like start to get invested here but i don't mean he i can't with this this is taking me out some of the something like the shitty does is really cool too like when they they're driving towards the tunnel and he [ __ ] hops and just like slides

49:09 yeah that was dope as [ __ ] i was like damn yeah and then he's like like shut the [ __ ] up grandpa zandy because you didn't you did the opposite of something i i thought you were gonna do um i kind of want to see an edit where they just take my the my hero academia soundtrack and put it over the music of this movie because it's the same same vibe though same energy like it's like it's training that's all it is it's just a training montage uh that's actually that reminds me we have a video coming out tomorrow for us like two weeks ago for people watching uh that i do my hero edit at the beginning and i'm like yeah

49:55 i'm proud of this um nothing crazy but i enjoyed it anyway i guess it's uh how how's time stamp looking john how are we doing uh we're at exactly 50 minutes okay uh i guess it sounds like a good time to rank this [ __ ] movie uh and of course as i must do i must go through the list as it currently stands my favorite there we go thank you appreciate that uh same oi [ __ ] maker [ __ ] [ __ ] maker um where did hoopa starting from the bottom we've got a number 15 pokemon black and white pokemon uh pokemon youtube returns at 14. 13 is pokemon ranger in the temple of the sea number 12 pokemon 2000 number 11 pokemon forever number 10 pokemon jirachi wishmaker

50:41 number nine pokemon lucario the mystery of mew number eight pokemon three spell the unknown number seven pokemon heroes number six zoroark master of illusions number five arceus and the jewel of life number four pokemon the first movie number three giratina and the sky warrior number two pokemon destiny dioxis and number one pokemon rise of darkrai does anybody have a strong opinion on where keldeo falls i am fine with it being in the range of six to nine somewhere in that middle ground uh for me personally i would put it because i mean on my list i'm very critical of it but um over on the overall i would put it either above or below jirachi okay that's a lot closer to where i was

51:27 thinking because they need the bottom five yeah bottom five it's oh black guys yeah so just for audience then it's black white mewtwo returns jirachi uh restart black white mewtwo returns temple of the sea 2000 forever i'll for male play between witch maker and forever okay originally i was going to say this is what's the worst one for me but then i remember uh pokemon ranger temple of the c and that's 13. and this is way better than that for me but that movie had kyogre in it for like 14 seconds no he shows up he goes oh he shot the phantom with hyperb and uh forever there's two kinds of people in this world

52:14 also a quick update on the blimp thing it was a flashback of her going to blackboard here blackthorne city has plans yeah i just looked it up because i was like wait that's common knowledge and it was just a flashback of her going against claire yeah and then they show her what on a blend city so it might be black city has to blimps and not dragon village then as i sit and look at it i know i don't love this movie and i think the thing is if i go and look at it i can find things about like numbers we'll say six to ten that can i said like i can find things about those movies that i enjoy significantly more than kelvia but i could do the same thing for forever in 2000 as well which like sucks

53:00 the democracy might do i'll say i'm saying i'm excited to do redo my own personal list going [ __ ] 2 000 what are you doing down there um but you shut your ass up that's that's the issue with uh with the early ones is they always end up way too high that's what i noticed i learned that because we ranked them so high that like some of them unnecessarily like skull don't know it's way higher than some of the later movies for me and like looking at it like looking at spell don't know i'm like like right now if i'm looking to spell the unknown lucario should be higher uh which maker should be higher i disagree with jirachi uh being higher spell leonardo should be lower whoa i like spell the unknown i i don't hate it today just because of some of the other movies

53:46 black and white should be higher shut the [ __ ] up the best part i don't disagree that it should be higher but that's because i like viscerally hated mewtwo returns um i had an anger reaction to that i actually can't believe that um black and white was so bad that actually defeat like yeah of how bad like i remember being bad and i told you guys that it was bad last time i seen it but i didn't know was so bad that it was going to replace like this whole time i'm like there's nothing that's going to be youtube returns and then like seeing this i'm like there's no way somebody can make an argument that this goes beyond like yeah i liked more than youtube returns um do you like it more than me two returns yeah yeah do you i would rather watch that movie than youtube because the version of youtube

54:34 returns we watched was sped up but that's not the movie though i i get that but that means that it is longer than what we thought which is less than an hour which means that it's like anywhere between an hour and like an hour and 20 minutes and there are parts that redeemed uh black and white for me there are not parts of everything i'm just saying youtube returns this was a tv special technically we're missing one but we're too far along for that one the pokemon christmas special with the snorlax snowman which one are you referring to uh there is a different one i saw like wikipedia that was like a special yeah oh no we missed like five specials it's just that i haven't said anything because i didn't know if you guys want to do because i thought i was the way i remember me to return that's the whole ice cream movie yeah i remember we had the v like i had the

55:19 vhs of that as a kid yeah that's why i remember it being a co-ass movie and then it turns out it was just a shame right yeah you missed a couple specials like big specials uh i was going to ask you are you doing to a length special or another one elaine i have plans you know okay that's a fight partner so it's a good one but um personally looking at the list uh wait wait where's dunphy i have his here um rather than disguise i was gonna do the two-hand thing for him i've got like the shotgun like what yeah what that way i keep my hand up the entire time oh no um but i guess it's just time to vote sure

56:05 so i'll put hands up my live stream okay that's okay yeah it's hot guys so you guys can very hot it's hot with balls in here a little cooler this this church is trying to kick us out so he'll feel very yeah i wish carol was close yeah right it would be great turn the [ __ ] black hero give me some electricity and ice um starting from the bottom does anyone think it goes below black and white uh uh so about black and white then uh above youtube returns i'm phrasing this weird author no no no no i was like john has to do what we're sharing was does it go below pokemon ranger below 2000 below forever

56:51 below jirachi you mean above jirachi uh above forever so at number the new number 11 above forever below jirachi so like my hand is down right because dante's okay um above jirachi that was dante's hand so that's it would be sorry correct me above lucario that's dante's oh okay dante thinks it goes above jiraji this is fire we're trying to read everything control two hands re-reading through the list i i don't think it's better than lucario i have issues with lucario but i like more of the pokemon that are in lucario and i like more of the world building to me the car is way higher than it should be i i really don't like lucario yeah i didn't like so you confused the hell out of me when

57:37 uh when someone you guys called me that night first of all i was like i was like eyes closed about to go to sleep and then i just heard my ringtone go off and then i heard you go so how did you feel about lucario i was like it was okay and you were like this is the same [ __ ] movie but you guys had just talked about two movies so i was like what movie and then i thought about it and i was like oh it is just like black and white and then danny was like no he was talking about uh zoroar and i was like what happened and i was like it's the same movie as black and white it's the plot that's the plot yeah the plot for lucario for zoroark no the plot uh give me a second what will we before we get too deep into that yeah yeah because i lost track doing four things at once yeah so it fell between jirachi and for

58:23 uh and lucario which it'll be like correct that's where i put myself so so that'll be our nantes that's fine yep so this is pokemon it's right outside the range i thought it would be but that's fine i'm fine with that i can't remember so what happened the problem i had with the lucario movie and this would go to the solar movie was i never got to finish because dante was getting really [ __ ] heated during that argument he wasn't listening to what i was saying he was so stuck on trying to prove me wrong that i'm like you're not understanding what i'm saying i'm not saying the movie [ __ ] that's the mjolnir thing yeah and i was explaining it to him and that was this is thomas movie what this is jonathan

59:10 no richard i think that was lucario okay because i'm very pop cuz lucario was wait like when i watched it it's like it's an amazing movie it's using a messy amazing pokemon they [ __ ] botched the ending a little bit for me uh and then what's this sar that i did that far did well for the that he compared with that compare uh because i i'll go through my notes but we had a discussion about how zoroark and lucario were the the not pseudo legendary but the the important that's fine yeah um that had a mission to complete and ash and them were along for the ride yeah yeah so they they borrow each other's supplies or one bar the other ones plot a little bit and i was like okay uh i remember seeing the smartphone going like i mean it's not horrible i like it more in lucario

59:59 and then uh that that day me and dante again were disagreeing on it and then you got on the phone and you're like oh i liked it because but something you said something you were like how did you feel you were like how do you feel about lucario as i i said i liked lucario more than zorro arc but i liked it less less than black and white and you were like it's the same [ __ ] movie and i thought you were talking about black and white because black and white in my mind the minute i heard that i was like oh [ __ ] they're both pokemon from the past who belong to an important figure who died got sent to the future helped with ash then they kept seeing flashbacks of the past to help them with the current issue and then they had to fight an ultimate force being the tree or the dragon force and i was like [ __ ]

1:00:44 they are the same movie i never thought yeah so i literally sat there and broke it down in my head and i was like black and white in the cardio or the same movie but in my opinion black and white had a cooler legendary entrance and it had a a cooler um a cooler cast of pokemon yeah does it happen it had gold like you just show up to make facts noises but like they were cool but i love go lurk uh zac rom's entrance i think because i watched white zekrom's entrance to be the good guy was super cool um but like i said when you said the they're the same movie thing that's what's stuck in my head that's funny because i wasn't talking about that but now that you bring up all that stuff like oh wow yeah it is yeah absolutely talking about black and white lucario weeks in the past

1:01:30 let's review the list of where everything belongs uh this list now looks like number 16 pokemon black and white number 15 pokemon youtube returns number 14 pokemon ranger the top of the c number 13 pokemon 2000 number 12 pokemon forever number 11 pokemon jirachi wishmaker number 10 pokemon kiram and the sword there you go of justice uh that's that's another thing and i'll talk about it when you're done with your reading pokemon lucario in the mystery of you number nine number eight pokemon three spell the unknown number seven pokemon heroes number six zoroark master revolution number five arceus and the jewel of life number four pokemon the first movie number three guaranteeing the sky warrior number two pokemon dusting dioxis and number one pokemon rise of darkrai is so cool i'm just

1:02:15 happy that the top five are the three gen four movies yes i knew i knew

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