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0:00 [Music] hey guys welcome back to pokemon gotta watch them all the podcasts we watch every single pokemon movie we talk about the things we love the things we hate and we talk over slamming doors as usual i have the regular crew back we got dante and i chris and john and we are

0:46 discussing pokemon the movie the power of us before i ask for any impressions i am going to go to the pokemon website and read is it not the power of the us no this is not pokemon the power of the us nope what movie did you watch the whole missile scene wasn't a sun unleashed on anyone all right over on the pokemon website pokemon powerless is defined as well it's not the finance the synopsis is a young athlete whose running days might be behind her a compulsive liar a shy researcher a bitter old woman and a little girl with a big secret the only thing they have in common is the annual win festival in fullest city the festival celebrates the legendary pokemon lugia who brings the wind that

1:33 powers the seaside city when a series of threats endanger not just the festival but all the people in pokemon of full of city it'll take more than just ash and pikachu to save the day can everyone put aside their differences and work together or will it all end in destruction so you read the can you read the part where you just described the characters only yeah uh he said it's uh so it is young athlete whose running days might be behind her okay a compulsive liar okay a shy researcher okay a bitter old woman okay and a little girl with a big secret okay let's go make a one-piece joke with the chai and with this chopper and so goofy like i was super excited when this movie started i was like yes a movie not about ash and then sight yeah yeah and then he's

2:20 on the train and i was like no this movie looks very beautiful animation absolutely it's absolutely gorgeous and what's the name of uh marisa risa cool is the sign right yeah of any of the pokey girls they ever done she has the coolest design she has like that alternative it's very untraditional for like a pokemon character like usually if we get those they're like a random encounter you'll run into in the wild or something like she really looks like she could be like if if this is a pokemon game she's the rival yeah yeah she's great i like her design her whole intro sequence with her like it was it her brother her friend her brother okay so her whole intro sequence with her brother i was like oh this is going to be interesting she has to go catch a pokemon for a request for her brother but she doesn't like pokemon so like

3:06 it's going the power of us is talking about her learning to like enjoy pokemon on the way back yeah and then it's gonna be her story of how she became a trainer that's cool and it's like no not at all here's ash and i was like so what was the plot for power of one power of like 2 000 yeah it's that the plot was is that the one with uh one one person can make a difference okay so this is what this movie felt like a little bit so i always thought it was very okay so i told you guys before like this movie was introduced to me from our mutual friend evan yeah who told me this was a remake of 2000. and he's like yeah because it stars lugia like that's cool so i watched it expecting to see a modern take on 2000 all right

3:52 right it's not that at all it's even worse than coming in and touching some water and just dipping it he doesn't even use a move yeah he just i'm very positive raikkou had more uh than we'll get that in this movie you're absolutely right yes i think that should make you feel good more screen time though yeah yeah you know what my boy finally got some love he got it in capacity i think this movie is solid i don't love it i think i think there's some really cool things that happen i think there are also moments where i'm like is this still going on yeah i wish it wasn't i'm in the same head because i'm like it was a fun movie to watch would i willingly choose to put it on

4:38 again no no no it can stay off yeah the last one we watched was a hoopa award said the last one we watched would have been actually okay this works perfect so i wrote here because i did some research uh i'm gonna [ __ ] this guy's name kohiniki yaduma i guess he's the head uh writer and he wanted this and i choose you to be an alternate universe where ash needs to partners right so he does this he did actually he does this movie he does evolution and he does seeker of the jungle it's weird because uh you would think that ash's companions from the previous movie would carry over will carry on but they did it

5:23 sucks i can't remember their names yeah they really like like louder [Music] something a longer a longer name that's kind of like an ideal yeah but essentially that was weird and this this will go into the evolution thing but evolution takes place in the same world that this movie and hsu takes place in but brock and misty exists there and he's trying to create kind of like a mcu-ish kind of thing he wants all the movies going forward to be connected but actually you and this do not does not feel connected and yeah this and the next one doesn't feel connected i i feel like uh her name was verdi by the way sorel and verdi are the two partners from apache um i don't know what i was thinking a lot on for yeah

6:08 i i feel like this movie does a good job of uh in terms of with the direction at least steering away from all the other like 20 plus movies we've seen like it does feel like it's in the same wheelhouse as i choose you yeah but it does still feel separated from that because like in i actually again he has three pokemon one of which is butterfree gives away so he ends the movie with pikachu and charizard yeah and then in this he just has pikachu he maybe has more but we don't know i guess he doesn't know pidgeotto yeah i guess he didn't have that and then butcher that he directed all the x and y movies and he also directs this one evolution and then he didn't do or no he did seek out the jungle but he didn't do

6:53 evolution okay and uh the reason i bring that up is because uh essentially the first guy that i'm not gonna pronounce his name again he's trying to create your universe but when i watch this i was like these are cool people for ash to have in his life and if they were to do like i haven't watched her in the jungle so but i'm just gonna assume none of these people show up so it will be cool to see a mixture of like one of the two from i choose you hope you eat your words i hope you're ready [Laughter] uh yeah it's supposed to be a shared universe and then it didn't feel like it for i felt like uh when we watched the movie that show clearance at the end that felt more like a shared universe thing for sure the next couple movies this is going to be a very large jump ahead did anybody stay for the after credit scene so you mentioned it

7:40 after pricing scrolling through it and going to look forward you want me to tell you what it is i have it pulled up right in front okay i wonder what pokemon will meet next and then nothing i thought it was going to be like a teaser of a pokemon and it does it doesn't seem like fitted oh yeah it might just ended right when the credits happen do you want me to tell you because there's another one oh is there something that's not there's something past that it's it's a different thing so uh yeah it did anybody oh is it the credit the where they find out who the the announcer yeah yeah so uh basically i don't know if you remember this but there's a part where uh riza is like running and she's like how am i gonna get there and uh her brother pops on like the phone or whatever he's like i'll guide you don't worry and she's like how do you what and he's like just don't worry about it and they just like

8:27 book it so at the end of the credit she like kicks in the door just do you want to tell me how you knew where i was and what i was doing and he's just and he's dressed up as the announcer guy like doing the thing he's like i uh i might have put a camera in the glasses but it's because i wanted to see the festival and i kind of figured that that's where they were going because like there was like that one moment where he was a high energy and then just i really wish i could be there and then i was like okay that's the brother okay yeah i i know once in the moment when she's running and like he gets on and she's like how do you know like it's the glasses like yeah right right and i was like i'm mad that they didn't confirm or deny it and then i like went to the after credit i was like there's is this all the credits are just the cards okay okay and then i saw her like what and i was like oh i have to go back and then

9:13 she kicks in the door and i was like okay i that's a weird way to wait until the end of the credits to explain it you know the whole quest idea of like oh go catch an eevee like that was pretty cool yeah like uh we never see that where like uh uh we've never seen the plot we're like hey gotta catch you guys in the first game it was basically like a fetch quest in any video game but it felt nice not being a video game watching watching it instead of sapphire i enjoyed the way they they introduced this movie like starting with riza because the first like two three minutes is like a normal person that is in the world of pokemon which we don't see often right where it's like everyone we see it wants to be a pokemon master et cetera et cetera so that's weird because like the whole

9:59 world revolves like you have like bocker sure like the whole world revolves around pokemon so like when you see a character like this it's weird yeah it's the last character vibes lily was the last character that we've seen that from aether foundation lily oh yeah yeah she's the only and hers was a phobia it wasn't she knows about pokemon yeah but this one's observatory yeah this one's like oh i live in this universe pokemon don't exist i don't think riza had i mean if she had a fear of pokemon they didn't really i don't think it's a fear it's just more so she's not what i did it's not necessarily an interest like she she is a character that just kind of

10:44 exists in a world where pokemon are like the huge thing yeah but she's not really into it right it's kind of like pierce with dynamics yeah where he's just like a supremacist and once again battle yeah as a regular just like her her particular passion doesn't necessarily involve pokemon at all at least what she was doing before she got injured um what i did like is like as we go on we're meeting more and more of these like individual characters that the story's going to revolve around at the end of the day it's all ash's story but it had that the good suicide squad energy of i have five or six characters i have to introduce in like two hours an hour and 30 minutes and even though some of them weren't fully fleshed out and some were a little bit annoying i didn't love callahan very much i don't think you're supposed to

11:30 yeah i don't think you're really supposed to there's only one time like and it sparked a reaction i don't know like where it's coming from but it's like when when he's like telling like cinderella to pretty much [ __ ] off and then they sort of was crying things like being him and then he's like he's like oh you want me to catch you boops the button i was like i was like okay that's adorable like i love that i enjoyed the wrap up to callahan stuff guess just saying something that i didn't enjoy anything until the he stopped like i don't know so i recently watched suicide squad and james gunn did it obviously he has guardians whatever i like when movies have a big cast and everything comes together yeah and a lot of movies [ __ ] that up i actually do think this movie did it nice even though

12:15 some characters didn't flesh out very well you know i think you could either i disagree very hard before you say that okay let me say this okay one hour and 30 minutes is not enough yeah to flesh out as many characters that usually if you do three as good but when you throw an ash into the mix as well and then you have like the hunters and all these things if they will remove at least i don't think kelly was needed which one kelly the little girl don't want that margo yeah yeah kelly is callahan's niece yeah needed i don't think she was supposed to work for a growth callaghan okay yeah we're not talking about the mayor's daughter yeah i think i don't think she was needed because they could

13:00 focus on callaghan and him not being such a liar yeah even though she's the plot device for his line and i think that this movie could have done better with the wrapping app if you remove some of the characters so if you remove ash because ash was not needed at this at all right this was somebody else's story but it's louis the world will turn to ash it's a whole circle thing the same way there we go i got it that's the next step it's not even in but okay yeah i think that if you remove ash in at least one character uh not risa obviously because i think this was her story and it kind of deviated into like other people's stories but it cultivated together i like stories that do this i just think that they had too many characters and not enough time and i think that that's

13:47 why i ended up hurting your i don't know how anyone else knows about if there is anyone i feel i would rather have them taken out other than reducing like you said the knee stuff with callahan just making that i'm a liar i get called out yeah i saved the day i probably wouldn't have been upset if granny yeah i enjoy i enjoyed her the climax to hers as well like she's the one that saved the day and the whole flashback with her snubble i love that i think that was great i loved it i think it was like the deepest story of all the characters we got but the whole thing leading up to the the sweet sand i hate pokemon get the [ __ ] out of my face stuff i didn't need that so there are three characters in the main cast of characters we got in this movie that i did not need and it was the old lady the scientist and um

14:32 the the mayor's gone yeah mayor's daughter because she just realistically sarah aura doesn't even need to be in this movie but it's for publicity purposes of the event distribution yeah um i think that they did a bad job with introducing the characters because the way they did it is they tried to give them all main character energy yeah and you don't get that like you can you can see that they're trying to do it they're like these are important people and then they get like five minutes and then they're gone like there is there's like a whole like 20 or 30 minute segment where uh what's her name riza is like i'm gonna take this thing and stick it back on the tower and get power again and then she's just gone yeah and then you see her put it back into the thing and it's like okay and but but then like when she does

15:19 she's like yeah i did it why aren't the fans starting it's like because we need lugia and it's like make it rain then why didn't we just get lugia yeah which is the whole thing's weird to me because like i think they explain the story but they don't explain it they don't hit it home hard enough it feels rushed is that what it is a little because it's still to me it's an hour and 30 minutes for how many how big this castle not even the main people but the side characters too it just it felt too rush and i think that's why you're because i'm in the same place where i agree with you they had too many people and even like the non-main characters felt like main characters like the side characters had like main character energy and i do agree 100 percent of that so i'm in a different boat i think

16:05 if you take ash out it fixes all the problems i'm also fine with yeah because because like my whole thing is like callaghan the scientists the grandma and rizzo all of them coming together that felt good it's just the inclusion of ash kind of threw off the vibes because like i'm like if it's supposed to be the power of us like i'm sure you can have ash be like the whole i pikachu the partner and the power of us and then like everybody's kind of like chanting it to themselves like i'm like i would have rather have that be like a self-discovery moment like as like maybe like riza has to like run like like it shows like evie trying to like drag the the crystal like back and then she like she has to start running again and then like as like the cloud is like rolling in have pokemon assisting her so that way it helps her kind of like

16:52 understand that it's like i can do things just because i can't do it by myself doesn't mean i can't do it at all i just need a little help and i felt like that would have been a better subplot than just evie hold on ash said power of us run counter argument so this is just we wouldn't have pokemon power without that it's true so this is just kind of trying to drag your p means this is just how to turn your dragon right well do not disrespect have a drink at the was how to train your dragon um nobody lost a leg or did they i don't know um evie was injured i actually enjoyed this movie yeah um and i think that maybe we didn't maybe we didn't get

17:38 enough time but this is the first time where we've been introduced to a lot of characters and they may have been a bit tropey um but i also recognized who all the characters were it's not a situation of where they introduced a ki who who who in the world was it in freaking arceus luke uh oh kevin kevin what did he do with that he said my name is kevin this is the first time where i feel like we've been introduced to a whole in a little in a little bit where we've been introduced to a big cast of characters i recognize them all and i feel they all contributed something to the story um i think the whole purpose of ash even being in it um

18:24 there's a lot of things that are kind of just convenient for plot sake um like the granny just happens to be the scientists that built the uh the huge ass thing that we've been seeing throughout this entire movie um but i think the whole purpose of that is because ash is supposed to be like that domino that starts this whole effect yeah um without ash there's the reason gets lied to and then just completely shuts down and doesn't go catch eevee um with then there's a bunch of other things without ash being second place and showing callahan that pokemon are our friends pokemon are our friends and we save choking tyranitar i don't know i i personally enjoy it i think it's more solid than a couple

19:10 other movies that we've watched um and i like how and it's also it's these last two strings of movies i feel like the characters have been really strong um because i remember the last two characters and i think a lot of them stand on their own when we've had just characters introduced was like what are you doing cool okay great why were you here i just know that uh because you brought the same thing i did with the whole ash didn't need to be there if they really wanted to have ash they could have had like uh the ending be reciprocals to battle her first battle and then you see ash come in and it's right there i promise you that would have been so [ __ ] goated because yeah we know who ashley is and if he just comes down with a piss not pissed off but like pikachu doing

19:56 all the theatrics with electricity and it ended there i would have been like holy [ __ ] like crazy that would have been a dope way to have ash in the she's about to get [ __ ] slapped also they smoke came out to help advertise let's go pediatric so then like the other point when you said like ash has like like he should have like his whole team and with well charizard specifically yeah why do you have a run yeah oh yeah but so he gave up all his pokemon at the end of gen 7. so yes but again like if it's the reboot because i think we rebooted i choose you and he doesn't have bulbs or squirtles yeah so we don't know what his team looks like he just had pikachu and

20:41 having yeah none of us watched okay because my logic was at the end of gen 7 he leaves everything in alola i don't know why which i think is a good another good argument to be like hey he's just like he's a male meadow but you know he does only have pikachu for like five episodes after that yeah so this could fall in that type of realm of like ash is transitioning from one place to another but he did have to travel from the lower back to uh yeah so i think a better structure for this movie is without ash but keeping most of the characters i think if the the scientist is studying under the granny uh realistically i think most of my issues is that they give you a reason to care about these characters way too late in the movie yes because the old lady is very much like i hate pokemon the entire

21:26 movie no hints no suggestions that there's a reason she's just like i do not like pokemon and there is one hint to her it to it and it's why is she wearing that glove and that's five minutes into the movie and it's said by some no-name kid with a shitty fancy and then the old lady is just a dick bag to a group of pokemon that are adorable and helpful the whole time and then at the end of it she goes nice numble died and that's it and like that is such a late time in the movie to be like here's a reason to care about this character yeah and it's during the climax where she has two things to do um callahan i they like vaguely are like his niece is sick yeah and it's like okay but why is he lying to her and it's like because he wants to impress her and it's like but like he okay sure um but like they

22:13 never give like a definitive like how sick is she is she dying it then the whole movie is just she's low energy yeah like that's the whole thing she's an npc energy yeah i understand i think i think the niece is irrelevant unnecessary doesn't need to happen i think callahan's story could have progressed of i'm i am a self-named big shot but i wonder he gets a scientist he still cheats in the competition et cetera et cetera nobody trusts him and then at the end of the day him and sudowoodo partner up they saved the town i also think he could have taken granny and maybe take out the i hate pokemon bit and merge her with the mayor like as one character i think merging her with the scientist and making the scientists apprentice under her makes both of the characters more relevant and more knowledgeable together

22:59 yeah and gives them both more purpose i think if ashton exists she goes to catch the eevee callahan's here to be like hey here's how you catch a pokemon or not even he she's like they do the whole race thing still right and then cal as she goes to calallen she's like hey could you help me catch a pokemon like i'm busy but i heard there's a legendary one up in the woods she collides with margot who's with zara ora she doesn't know what the [ __ ] there or is she's like oh it's a pokemon and she's like yeah i'm here to find this and the girl's like oh i know where you can find one of those she goes with the girl the girl helps her with there or like it gives zeraora a bigger part it takes out ash who seems to be there for just plot convenience sake they all can learn their lesson at their own pace like i think there is a better way to write this movie to make everybody feel more relevant and learn things in time while making them more

23:45 interesting of characters and it feels like they were like here's ash here's six characters you should care about and eventually will give you a reason to yeah and i i think that is the big flaw i have with the movie so i think the the reason i don't think i want to hear your explanation dante because you said you disagree with the kelly thing i think the reason kelly wasn't needed as much is because just with the whole risa him bumping to reset it's like oh yeah you can find evie in the mountains that right there they show he was a liar right away and there's other ways that they could have shown them by going like my sort of would use buying whip one time against uh you know i mean against like a core fish and like they could have used because as pokemon like if you're watching a pokemon movie you play the games you have knowledge of the world right it's very obvious that solo doesn't learn bible so they could have

24:30 used pokemon world logic and us as fans will go like wait sort of little can't you spine with you know like you could say oh yeah i could go for a guy from the show he's like my pelvis flamethrower yeah yeah and they're gonna use uh moments like that they didn't have to use kelly they could have just made it where like yeah i know a lot about pokemon my son would have used solar beam on a blah blah blah and took out gyarados or something like that and right away as a viewer you don't know if he's flying or not so you can go like i don't think he was fighting with her sober being so that's a good way that they could have shown that he was a buyer and it will help progress the story still show that he's a liar and not have this extra character but i want to hear your reason don't take this earlier so the

25:15 the thing when it comes to kelly um well i do like her design kelly has a yeah lana is based on weirdly enough she reminds me of acerola and i don't know how that worked out because they're not even remotely related um so the thing with kelly uh going back to something you brought up yeah um is the fact that if she's not there callahan doesn't really have a drive at all to be in this movie because a lot of what callahan does is based off of what kelly requests him to do okay so kelly gets him involved in the catch contest if if she wasn't there he would have had no reason to get involved at all okay uh and then along with that um the reason why he has a turning point in his character is his lies eventually

26:01 build up so much that it hurts to actually the one thing that he really cares about yeah uh otherwise the dude's just a sleaze bag but there is that connection with kelly as i was like oh okay there's a little bit he he his heart's in the right place he's just not making the best decisions um he what he does ends up hurting kelly and putting her through trauma and possibly even causing her to to maybe even have a potential life risk okay um and then when that happens that's kind of his starting point to where he's like yeah i'm a really big [ __ ] up and then the other catalyst along with that is sudabudo who helps helps him push towards the other side of being a better person you no longer have to lie anymore you affected me and you

26:46 and caused me to have to be a good good thing yeah and he's recognized oh wait a minute what i did to you was it what i did to you was a truthful thing it wasn't a lying thing and maybe that there actually is some something good and truthful about this and i can affect people in a good way without having to hurt them i guess i just think they could have i guess i think if you get rid of kelly callahan loses everything that makes him interesting and possibly also any drive that

27:31 puts him in the movie is there a way to write it sure but he still needs some other drive other than kelly yeah i guess i was looking at it as not i know the movie exists this way so i don't want to take this thing out and replace it as opposed to the movie would have originally been written this way so not so much that it feels like something's missing but i think they could have built callahan in the same egotistic pompous i know everything i'm the best man in the world like intro if you connect maybe callahan to riza maybe i just think you can make him just the selfish [ __ ] that i think that i could go ahead okay because when they did the the bit where callahan did like the whole there's a rare pokemon and reesa hadn't found an eevee at this

28:18 point i thought they were gonna do the whole bit where like ever of course everybody's gonna swarm because they want their pokemon but then reason was gonna be the one that catches zera aura yeah and then she because she doesn't know like like what's what is and is not a rare pokemon so like she just catches and she's just like yeah i have this thing and then callahan is like blown away because he said i was bullshitting but there actually was like i thought that was the route they were going to go down not with like a foot in your mouth for callaghan right i guess i was just like because in the beginning i think he maybe it's not lubia specifically but he like stands on like a trash can or something and starts announcing because i've spoken to louie i've known the things i've seen in the pokemon he's telling a story to kelly yeah and but even if he wasn't telling

29:04 to kelly and you'd have to have another uh necessarily a catalyst with some stepping stone that leads him to i'm going to present myself to the whole fair but something that's still showing he's like i want to make sure everybody here knows my name even though i'm a fraud i like having my face in everybody's i think that would have made a better practice yeah and then if they did that which led to in the middle of that he's like wow you're so cool we'll even say it's risa rise or whatever she's like are you going to compete in the competition yeah like uh yeah i guess so like he knows he's he's faking it he can't actually do it but i can't lie in front of everyone that thinks i'm so so i got to do it to add to duncan's point with the whole kelly of standard because i'm not against that but what to add is i know you hate adding reference from other animes but you know this one which is one piece it's literally usopp story or kaya yeah

29:51 where usop tells her stories that are clear not real just to make her feel better and see him in this great fashion but then he goes off to make these stories come true essentially yeah and uh that's what this whole movie that trope essentially is i'm trying to make arguments things like well danny and then my only argument would be i feel like then it comes back to take somebody else out so kelly becomes more important yeah yeah so for because for me it's like i do agree with you if he would have just been like cocky self-centered saying i'm the greatest and he's not he's a liar they could reduce the whole i can be the greatest if i just apply myself into i think the trick in

30:38 my mind one of the weaker characters in this movie is margo and that's absolutely that's one of the characters that we can that it's arguable that you can get rid of at that point could you mix kelly and margo's character together and because callahan was lying this is why i'm lying to the town about zara ora i think you could yeah so yeah i mean because because at that point it's just like i understand what marco was doing and then that she's kind of technically the villain of this movie do you agree that there's too many characters i i think it it's a lot of characters okay admittedly for this movie uh it's it's almost to a bursting point and it's there there are there are points of this movie where it's just like okay this is a little long and i'm kind of like eh we're pushing it but the uh

31:24 my thing with the movie is i think they at least did a decent enough job with all the characters that they presented and that they all had arcs to where the unfortunate thing is we're not it's the same thing with the last uh the last movie as well these characters completed their arc in this movie and this is contained and i think i'm satisfied with that the unfortunate thing is if we would have brought sorel or uh verity from the last movie to this movie it's just like okay how do they grow as characters because they grew a lot already and i think that's kind of the thing that i enjoy about this movie is that everybody had an arc and they completed itself do you think they have to grow though because we had companions that don't really grow in the other movies they just they already developed i think i think in a situation of this uh of these movies kind of being

32:11 standalones yeah it's okay okay and because they have the main character energy it's fine because they completed this with uh characters like rock or misty they don't have a lot of character development at all in the last couple movies that we see with them but they're side characters they don't grow at all and it's kind of arguable that ash hasn't grown past movies because i don't i don't really feel he learns a lesson outside of the first movie you know that all gets a race because mewtwo's like you learned a lesson what [ __ ] you he gets rid of that he's gonna learn the lesson you two learned a lesson i feel like ash always knew the lesson yeah yeah that was the whole premise that ash is the better person [Music] i still think that there's stuff that we learned about that and there's part of me and we'll get into that in the next movie it's just like the watching it again another time just makes me realize

32:56 it's like but not it's not just ash everybody else might have learned a lesson i don't know but i i think because these characters have a little bit more prominence it's okay because this movie is self-contained okay yeah and i i at least come i i came away from this movie and kind of recognized all these characters as doing something as opposed to like characters like kevin or there's a couple other examples two where just like they were these these characters were introduced what did they do okay um so i think that uh while we'll do this movie a huge service will be if again we haven't seen it yet but if pot of secret of the jungle is that having risa and one of the guys

33:42 sweden comes in and touches the water i think that uh if they're gonna do this and they do this and then that will do a huge service to isu and this movie because then now we have movies that have origins of characters and they don't have to build them now they exist and they can focus on other kids so using like the logic that you're saying where the movies are contained within themselves if they continue this and they do bring these characters back i think that will do a huge service to these movies because now you have a backstory so now you can go back and like oh what's this character's backstory watch that and you're like oh okay that's why he didn't hit any development here cause i saw it here yeah i also appreciate at least with the last two movies that ash doesn't seem incompetent um i do appreciate it well he just won a whole league like when he was pretty

34:27 much about to get bodied by three boys and a lemonade stand and then they're like i'm gonna throw they throw like a at her now she's like [ __ ] you thought like i thought i was going to squish the lemon and be like pikachu what is that punch pikachu thunderbolt that's that's a very enjoyable part of the movie for me because that's my water absorber there's one little there's one little point where the the one boy just ragdolls the other and just like it just throws them into the cart i was like that was pretty cool animation was there's a lot of points in this movie where i'm just like wow this this movie looks great great segue into the animation of this movie because jesus christ i love it so much yeah this has the best animation at all yeah like to ensure so we'll get past the lariza you know my brother simon do the thing um

35:12 when margot opens the doors and sees the city and the festival like going underway [ __ ] the camera there's a particular particular angle with this where i was like is this ghibli movie oh no exactly because like when zara aura got his father how much like the animation they got in the eyes because like i'm like because like dragon ball does that a lot and they do stuff similar to here where you could just tell like the raw emotion of just how unlike you i'm going like you there's humans here get them the [ __ ] out on piss they portray that accidentally through through the animation zero oral looks better in this movie than he does in the games yeah like in any official in any official capacity outside of that i think zero oral looks a little weird

35:58 this movie he actually looks he looks fairly cool and i'm like oh okay it's also a big inconsistent because there's times where he looks sideways and he has a long muzzle and then short muzzle yeah a little bit decide what you want please i know i know he's a new pokemon but he's meant to have like the little like his nostril goes up right okay kind of like the who bales from the grinch where it goes a little bit does it i don't think it does i don't know that's why i'm asking because there's three variants of its nose in this movie and one of them is it doesn't swoop but it's a little more kind of like a pug so it's like that it comes out and curves like this okay so it's kind of flat corners and it comes back around the chin if that makes sense

36:43 um yeah i think xeror is like dope in this movie i think he looks great uh his size is nice yeah i didn't realize yeah i like his especially when he's in the games he's like yeah still like crushed over but like usually when you see mythicals they're like small tiny cute he had a pretty decent yeah okay because because i was going to bring that up because like i'm like zero aura is supposed to be like uh on the shorter side but no homies 411 which he's look he's like lucario height yeah i don't know this movie made it seem he was that short which yeah because that's what i say like he's towering over some people someone probably just measured him thinking he only had the hunchback and then he's like spying i actually like him taller if he's taller than he normally is in the movie which granted might be the

37:29 case because we still have small ferts yeah um i actually kind of enjoy him they're five feet they're five feet six inches animation so what's next after that uh sure i mean so i had a couple highlighted moments i thought were fun and enjoyable so i don't know how anyone else felt about the uh reason reasonably like hey second place help me catch a pokemon in that fun encounter like we went to the cliff and ash is like all right riza now you tell pikachu to do this like reason use thunderball pikachu the ash is backseat training so hard and i'm like i mean i get it she's okay because she's like like like how do battle but i'm like come on

38:14 there was a certain point where i thought he was just gonna do that for a few things and then rizza was going to kind of pick up on it and be like okay right no okay i got a feel for this didn't happen i think that could have been really great to do if riza's purpose was to become a pokemon trainer right but her old thing was i was a track and field star i was a champ i [ __ ] up my leg and i'm scared to go back um i think they did a great job of it was weird because the whole thing was like pokemon power if you can't do it alone you can do it with a pokemon which then at the end i don't think reason needed evie to do anything that she accomplished evie wrote on her shoulder she needed to show her that even though you are

38:59 injured you can persevere so the emotional part correct yeah evie injured its leg and persevered and she was like oh there's no reason i can't do the same which is why i said it's basically how to train your triangle yeah but yeah with the power of us sometimes it comes down to i i feel like with this movie it was what or what it was highlighting is the fact that sometimes i don't feel like doing something for myself but because of something else i can be better which tails back to kelly and callahan and then evie and riza all the other characters felt like at the end of the day when the credits roll and these characters these fictional characters now move on with their life the pokemon they are now with or are continuing to stay with

39:45 still serve a purpose to their life and yet so reesa we i guess that's the that's the weird thing about riza is and we never got to it and maybe that's for a good thing but i thought we were going to get to a point where frieza was like okay i just did all these cool things now i have to get this evie to my brother oh but we never really got to that yeah and then even we think grant scout her goal is i can run track and field again now which i guess he's in the stance cheering her on i think that comes down to those that you don't need to be a pokemon trainer to get along sure 100 percent which i think is yeah already with contests and coordinators yeah but once again we have to think about people that may

40:30 be just watching this yeah so i was going to say that with the title like power of us i think that's a very powerful title and they could they said or i hate this pokemon with a passion and there's way better pokemon to use than this but uh lucario is a pokemon that evolves to friendship and i think they could have used a pokemon that maybe um i mean they always change the whole entire plot but with the title like the power us and the message of this movie they could have used pokemon that he brought to friendship oh man that would have been so that actually would have been cool like during the last soviet stuff is not friendship no sylveon's not their friendship you just need to have a fairy type movement because at least in the games now that's like throughout the affection and all that they completely guided that system yeah so now it's just fairy type move

41:16 level up okay i think that actually would have been really cool so we have like maybe like a smaller aura why and then during that last moment where he's trying to lift the the tower because i was gonna throw up i hate lucario but i know that he's usually like the pokemon that represents friendship even though we had a mailing before him sure and uh i think that uh anything from a happiness all the way to like ricario uh you could have gave uh you sort of sort of widow you could have gave him uh bosley uh yeah no um oh you're not talking about oh but yeah yeah yeah i was like i know what it looks like that's not it yeah but they could have given some of these guys pokemon evolved friendship and at different levels or at different parts of the show it would have been like very cliche but it's a movie they could have had like bonsai into surawdo

42:02 baby sarah aura into sarah or uh could have been cute it could have been trying to evie and crush instead they could evolve an avian two like one of the forms and she's gonna say sorry henry the brother henry oscar i don't [ __ ] know yeah oh i failed sorry he evolved you know i mean but they could have showed that through the power of us i think that would have been a really good way and the whole time because of the title now i've seen this movie before so the first time that i watched it i was like oh power us somebody's gonna have a car okay and then like throughout the whole movie obviously that didn't happen and i was waiting for that power us moment which does happen but not the way that i thought it would especially because um there's a lot of pokemon that do that and bonsai would have been a good way of doing it and evie would have been

42:49 another way and even a baby forward to sarah aura would have been and i think that would have helped because with the title like that you can't tell me that doesn't imply friendship so i think they missed the mark on that but i mean the movie's good i i'm just trying to add logic to the title because most of these titles do make sense for most of the movies you know like pokemon forever that's what i was saying i feel like ash's only inclusion was to essentially just say the title of the movie yeah and that's kind of like what bothers me about the because i i don't like the characters that it's just like because like when you're looking at like a story if it's like if i can cover this person's face and say the rest of this movie could exist without them and that's exactly like exactly like

43:34 what ash's [ __ ] infinity war i don't think it's just like we don't need him because there's like ways to teach all the people about the power of us without without having to actually verbally say it yeah because because like with granny it could have been like something like easily as like there's like another snubble that like starts to like take affections for her and then that reminds her of the one she had and it gets her to do something heroic again because there's like that whole moment where it's because of snubble that she has like the whole thing with like her hand so like it could have been like a call back like i can't let that happen again and i felt like that would have helped her character more yeah

44:21 and then we just didn't see that i guess i think they round out a lot of these character stories well and make them like really powerful right at the end but they just like just like and so and because there's two characters i don't think we've talked to about uh talked about a whole lot so when the mayor just completely like was there for like the game plan and then just went back to his was his thing just to get everybody inside and then he was just like well i did my job i think so yeah i think it was like i think it was going to be like a leadership role like look i need to delegate these things and as much as i'm probably capable of doing the stuff i need other people to do right as the mayor and the leader i think i'm meant to be here with my people kind of thing because the thing i really enjoyed was his interactions with the scientists like as nervous as he was

45:07 like he still listened to him because he's like he's more knowledgeable about this than i am i'm here to just kind of understand and assess the situation but he has like the actual logistics behind it natural cure dude i'm just saying as someone that has like i saw a lot of myself in the scientist and it was really nice for him to kind of like open up to like his whole crew and they're like dude we'll listen to you just take a breath and just what do you want us to do how do we help you and then he came into his own that way i was like yeah get it you know my man you win i'll make you make your light bulb of energy so we can throw it out of family with berries a little uh i know that the movies are not connected to the anime and i wish they were in a

45:53 way because they could have gave uh ash riolu which he ended up getting in the next gen right and done the whole power of us and that what it gave ash reason to be in this movie that evolved with cards you know shoulder strength between trainer and pokemon sure and new pokemon and i think that would have helped not the movie but it would have transitioned to the animated since that's so important yeah i feel that foreign without having the aura because they explain the movie in the anime he evolves through friendship and hard battle and then the movie he goes to aura so ash needs to do one of those two [ __ ] things and then just give him a [ __ ] thunderstone and see what happens he serves the lucario and he's like yes the power of us sarah

46:39 so stick with their word because we've already torn into this plot a lot so not just keep going um we have two legendary slash mythic pokemon in this movie that don't seem particularly important or necessary to be there um i think i was legendary [Laughter] as a not antagonist but an antagonistic character i suppose like not not not a villain per se but an antagonistic force the thing that i guess stops ash from not saving the city he wants to save the city so does there

47:25 are but he can't trust ash because people suck which we learned with volcanion as well doesn't even want to save the city he wants to save the pokemon party right which is volcanion i guess which i just like how they had like that whole battle scene and the thing that made their own be like [ __ ] i could trust this guy zero orange shoots off a street like talks like pictures yeah and then ash goes i'll take this [Music] ash why like i'm like i get it you've tanked these before from pikachu but he doesn't seem to lie first i play if ever gets hit with electricity you should be able to go nice try first time first i can see you in thanks i never appreciate it so yeah my

48:11 pikachu's 20 levels higher than you like you think at this point like ash would like invest in some like rubber gear just that way it's like when pikachu tries to be an [ __ ] and she's just like all right that's cool buddy same song same dance on his backpack for some reason that no ash just has color change at this point like he gets hit by an electric type move he becomes an electric type yeah originally in the anime they did something where they had to do it like like wires and he was like oh and then like he takes out his backside i had these from when i first got pikachu i'm like bro you still have that it's been like three months since then like you still have this of course um but i think the biggest the biggest just slap in the face of

48:57 this movie is how irrelevant lugia ends up being they tease you so hard because we start the whole thing the city is built upon friendship which lugia said i like your friendship with pokemon here's some wind and then they lugia has his annual check-in meeting like still being friends all right and we see louie like in lore and everything and then at the end comes in says oh you guys are still being friends oh but you're on fire rain see you next year like it's a very like he had no purpose yeah he wasn't needed and they could have found another reason i think it was better like oh the power went out what's going to happen or something zero does the awful thing

49:43 john hates where he and says powers back on dude it's because like lou yeah like he has like those yearly checkups and he's got to go back to where there's three separate islands that have three separate crystal balls for the birds and this one okay he's almost he's close to terribly sorry has the most movies oh that's right i forgot you got the shiny one yeah he's in four movies i could argue that lugia is not necessarily the point of the movie why he doesn't show up it's kind of parallels

50:30 similar po-o was pulled off better but ho also kind of just showed up at the end of the movie sure five dash bigger bigger plot point than what lugia did um but still the whole point was to then i guess end up fighting aho you never saw that really yeah i don't know so i i would argue that ho oh and lugia aren't necessarily the point of those two sure so that's kind of why they show up and that's weird that the director chose to use those two pokemon back because they used the same director and writer i think uh ho just felt out of the gate more ominous not not ominous he's synonymous with ash yeah felt yeah and felt like this is the end goal as opposed to i guess i wouldn't call lugia making it rain or coming back to add wind to the town

51:15 and end the goal because that could have been much as so what was that it could have been a pelipper he has hurricane he can do it i feel like it could have been any pokemon i think it's fine that they used to yeah it's just that it felt like it wasn't needed i think the the whole purpose of why lugia feels less impactful maybe is the fact that they bring him up a decent amount in the movie yeah and at least to me when it comes to they related him to the eternal flame right that's what that was called yes as long as that's in place they can call they yeah and so my at least in my thought process i always kind of thought to the point oh yeah well we'll see lugia at some point because the flame's there um and then i think that just kind of

52:00 becomes a plot device to where oh the eternal flames gone now we won't see lugia and now we no longer have wind and now there's a huge forest fire that's going on and lugia won't be able to put that out either because the eternal flame's not up there so maybe that's why it kind of feels a little cheap um because it's not it's not presented as like a sporadic miraculous event because we were always kind of on the impression that livia's going to show up as opposed to intervening at the end of the movie for i choose you okay where ho didn't necessarily have to come back and revive ash because of what because of what ash did he did it's not like it's not like anything in this movie aside from putting the eternal flame up

52:46 it doesn't seem as impactful because that's what brought luvia there but if all of them gathering even without the eternal flame brought lugia back i think that may have been more impactful that would have been more impactful like when dante defends movies i just think that i enjoyed it a lot having lou yeah well it was very underwhelming because like when we're when we see a pokemon lugia we want to see something big i think that if you see a legendary just show up just to make the appearance like even at least he had that battle with ash we didn't see it but we know what happened i hate that that happened but we knew it happened and ash running back to the pokemon center whatever and he was sacrificed so like we got to see something out of it but look it just felt underwhelming i think that's that's the problem with me for at least for

53:33 lugia because i was expecting to see more even if it was like uh like i don't wanna i don't have to see him battle it's just lucas the badass out of the two birds that everybody likes i like hoe but i know a lot of people like weird yeah i think that seeing him do a little bit more not attack just see him do something bigger or more or a more badass entrance like the way they did at the intro on the movie would have been really nice like uh coming out the light out of curiosity what did lugia do in the second movie he was there for a lot what did he accomplish he helped ash accomplish the goal because it was like one of those things where lugia was he was more of a mentor assisting him

54:19 because ashley needed to be at the one at the end of the day to be to fulfill the prophecy because it wasn't about luke is about ash so lugia was like like this like this world is didn't disarray and i'm here to protect the champion that's going to save everybody okay so he's got more of a guardian role and then in the anime the episode of lugia he did and never fought in that whole episode it protected the baby and safeguard hey you say card system basically uh lugia has shown up three times in the anime and neither of those two times that i ever fought it did something like the first time it protected his baby the second time was to stop a fight with uh between team macmillan aqua and the third time was with uh go where he he just [ __ ] showed up just because he can't

55:05 and i think that seeing lugia do something big i think a big cinematic intro is what he needed i think that's what it is actually that's that's all he needed just the big coming out of the water slow motion crystal water like they did with when he came out and poke adventures or yeah pogo adventures whatever uh i think that's what lugia needed to make him look a little bit more legendary rather than like i think he just kind of flies in and reasonably i need help and then but yeah yeah um do you have anything else you were so this movie has a lot of plot holes that i feel like we haven't talked about um when they record the whole catch race why why was it recorded if it was going to be a controversy because that whole plot point could have been avoided because it doesn't make sense yeah um

55:51 there is uh i was very confused about the size of the smoke because it's in a very small jar and then it expands and encompasses the entire entirety of the forest there is a point where they put out the whole fire around the power plant and then one of the steel things just explodes and then it happens again when it's like it's just steam and smoke um there is uh i have like three other ones that i can't think of but there are so many points in this movie that just feel like they're there to be there um the the lugia thing like it has such like when she actually finally puts in the eternal flame it like shoots this giant beam up into the sky and then lugia is just like oh hi uh there's also a part like they talk

56:36 about lugia and when i heard the story it sounded very much like lugia did this one thing for us a long time ago and granted us the wind and the internal flame the eternal flame gives us the wind and that is how i interpreted it the whole time i didn't interpret it as like he comes back annually to check on it i just i felt it as lugia gifted this place with the gift of wind power and i was like okay so as long as they fix it they don't need lugia lugia is just like the history of this place just like how some of the other cities are based on legendaries but they don't necessarily be there the legendaries are part of the history i forget how they defined it at the beginning the mayor was giving whatever speech and said like the annual coming of lugia which i don't know if that's more of a celebratory thing yeah we're going to praise you

57:21 because once again like this is something or if it's like the event that happened a long time ago i i took it as the annual check-in yeah part because it seemed like the reason i gave you this gift was because people in pokemon worked together to build a towel right which i think before that there's been a bunch of like pokemon and people have worked together to make earth and agriculture so i'm going to give them you know the the jewel of life yeah and then lou gives me like i'm going to give you wind right to build up the the other thing is the eternal flame almost looked like in the way it's shaped and colored looked like it should have related to zera aura yeah and it just didn't uh so the first time i watched the movie i thought sarah aura was supposed to be the central point of the which is he's not and i thought that

58:07 the first time i watched it i remember saying why can't sarah be the gift for the town and make them feel more special so that's another thing that confused the hell out of me is they're like zerora hates the town and they're like why it's like because we burned the forest and then i was like why the [ __ ] did you burn the forest and they're like we needed to for the town and that's all that's like all they say about it and they show a flashback of them burning enforcement like where's sarah aura with like a torch i'm like what the [ __ ] there's like there's literally a scene where you see a person's silhouette flame the forest yeah they like went in with torches it was they cut down they cut down i was watching something yeah they cut down the forest so they explained it initially that they built the town and the town couldn't

58:54 expand unless they burned down the forest okay see for me they cut down before us yeah to help build the town so they uh in from from what i saw it was they established the town and they kept seeing zero or i help out the pokemon and be distant from the civilization and then they're like we needed to burn down the forest and xeror didn't like that and it's like but why did you need to burn down the forest it's like because it's what our town needed and then like i said there's like these weird like ptsd moments of like i i'm pretty sure i saw a silhouette like human silhouette like in a flame yeah and i was like what the [ __ ] happened that that happened and there's like weird inconsistencies with like characters memories like there's a point where uh the callahan is talking to his sister and his sister's like are you sure this is okay i don't know if this is what she

59:39 needs and then later on she's like you lied to us and i was like yes you talked to him about him lying to you in the very beginning you literally went you know you don't have a pokemon in that poke ball and then the pokeball pops open and she's like what the [ __ ] who are you callahan's a really good liar [ __ ] cover's blown you bastard how could you yeah and she she's like genuine disgust and i'm like you're just helping traumatize the child if you're worried about traumatizing the child well okay because like callahan's whole bed's like he's like he's like see it's not even that important i gotta do it to put her in a good mood and i'm like no dude there's like other ways to do that my guy like buy more you don't have to lie um

1:00:26 the the zero or angry thing is like i i get why he's mad if it was like the it was like a sacred forest then they burned it down and like made a town out of it because of like location for tourism but the way it's explained is very weird and then um i i was very confused uh there's another point oh um [ __ ] i like just had it and then just lost it the there there's a lot of point for like motivations for certain events and catalysts to happen i'm like why he does that because like i said the the whole like the recording that exposes callahan why was he recording that he had no benefit to it callahan was like i will show up to do your thing and he was even on his way to do it but for some reason he had that recording

1:01:13 of callahan next to in the same exact chip style the thing he needed for the presentation which i don't remember team rocket taking i don't think they i think they show that during the team rocket thing which i don't think [ __ ] with it right i just know there's a two sd card yeah he just took the one from callahan put it next to the actual data yeah and then when he takes the sd cards and he's like hey other scientists this is the one with the information right yeah i don't think i don't think team rocket interfered with that i think may have caused the confusion with the sd card was they took the smoke and then knocked over those the uh the ink or whatever yeah the smeargle ink which is invisible which they had to give us data on for some reason because that's how they found margot yeah they could have just

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