Pokemon: Gotta Watch Em All! | Pokemon Volcanion And The Mechanical Marvel | Pokemon Movie Podcast

0:00 [Music] uh i watched this video somebody said i'm here now it's basically if you're empty and see and you grab pikachu just put them together that's what you get hey guys welcome back to pokemon gotta watch them all the podcasts we watch all

0:45 the pokemon movies we talk about the things we love the things we hate and then we rank them in a nice big old list uh i'm probably gonna leave bits and pieces that whole conversation in so anyway uh my guests again as usual we have the typical powerhouse of a group here i have my buddies cherry blurred tatiana today hail i'm kenai the dorman lion ranch chris taufer the rv2 and christopher chris alpher and uh john the princeton yeah i was trying to throw my gaming my naming mechanic thing was there for a minute howdy um so yeah this week we watched pokemon volcanion and the mechanical marvel you probably heard from the little bit of splurge i'm going to leave the beginning about

1:32 diancie and magirna i guess it'll just go can i okay you were the verbal one what did what did you think volcanion i don't hate this movie it's not bottom of the list but like flat out i think it's like a low mid tier okay so we can get into like story like specifics i know you said like four reasons whatever and i guess we can get to that but like what what is it you didn't like mostly like the big thing that kept bothering me is it seems like every time they're about to explain why mcgearn is important something happens that distracts like there's there's a point where the kid's about to explain it to volcanion and he's like you might be wondering why we need mcgaren and ash is like shut up he's frozen and i was like

2:18 he's kind of right but like i want to know why it's important and then like there's another part where the dude's like aiming this thing and he's like finally i can use my blah blah blah blah and i'm like oh i'm gonna see why she's powerful and then they like hit the ship and he stops and i'm like what is beginning to do i just need to know i'd like this more than keldeo or less less than kelvin kelly okay ouch how was the ranking on calderon what's that uh caldeo is under lucario right i think so you're scrolling strong uh uh yes dancing so it's 10 is lucario diancie kiram so 12 is where kelio sits okay i sorry that's one of the major issues the other major issue is megas feel weak

3:05 as hell no no they're not make a pokemon no okay so they are uh second why introduce the actual mechanic of mega evolving for this specific movie to only use it on one on one of the 15 mega [ __ ] evolution pokemon in the whole movie the mega waves they they use it on one they use it on gardevoir and that's it all the other ones they're like fake egg angry mega this movie used to just introduce the new megas that were coming in auris yes essentially i i got something it's just it's just a year after where it came a year after a year after all because we had the ones here because that was the first thing i looked up because like like i saw a camera up and then like i saw bedroom sharpie i'm like when the [ __ ] did this movie kick come out because i thought it was like like

3:50 the grace period between x and y and and or so and then it's just like hey here you go this one doesn't matter i'm just saying it's it's just hoopa but if you take all the mythicals out of it and then just add the megas that's what they did for this movie yeah yeah like what what mega didn't we throw into uh the movie let's throw them in the enemy team have all before away from i agree with the storyline part because i put that in my like pinpoint notes where i was like until we got to the end and they explained like the heart soul mcgearness purpose seemed just we didn't know what it was i don't even think the heart soul explained it because they like i said every time they go to explain what they can say explained i said gave a a subtle purpose so like every time they're like here's

4:36 what mcgiron does like when they're about to like break it down something happens that stops them and when they're like okay well this is and even they do this like whole flashback and they're like when you're stronger and like more important than people think and all you see is them looking on a burning city and he goes what have i caused and like that's it yeah and i'm like what what happened that like what did mcgiron do people were like we need that this just felt like an upgrade of dancing i i yeah it felt like it was just dnc with more yeah so i know for me i enjoyed this more than diancy but i also felt this not more fun but i was less i feel like if i watched diancie a second time i'd probably be annoyed listening to it again like i just watched this i'd probably let volcania on play and i wouldn't have

5:25 that same issue and i think i'm usually rose-colored glasses of the cool things in the movie as opposed to the actual plot at that point like even though they're not really megas mega aggro was on the screen meg you know mega swampert was on the screen boomerang man himself like does pokemon do more when they're not naked they do they do 100 they do but the visual excitement of seeing mega agaron very exciting seeing you know uh i think volcanion is really cool i when they showed volcania and we talked about this during diancie too about these weird distributions that just kind of popped up and who uh hoopa's too shiny gardevoir and chinese gengar yeah and those i loved gengar

6:11 shiny garden war is i couldn't tell at first we saw gengar i'm like i can't tell it was discoloration if that's supposed to be the shiny when i saw him why is he blue yeah yeah to me i completely disregarded it at first because i was just like i i literally just said oh they colored gengar really weird because for some reason i feel like the the shiny in my mind is actually like the deeper saturated one yes can you because also another pokemon that's hard to differentiate if it's shinier as garchomp because it's just a darker palette it's just slightly darker so game freak i

6:59 will give you 25 per badge shiny that i care about just to fix i think if you just made regular gengar shiny the same white you do for mega gengar that's crazy the crazy thing is though they've changed they've changed chinese at this point they have well why don't they change it some of them are bad yeah but i will say that pikachu should not be as lame as it is yeah for the mascot it should not just be a little darker i think they're just they're more so worried about making one better than the others i think charizard has the best of gen 1 yeah against the other ones it's like the thing it just bugs with charizard that it's like orange orange black i just says all black like i hate that they just decide to switch the colors um so to quote you from in the kelly movie you made a comment

7:45 that you said it's not necessarily a bad movie but it's not it does nothing to make it the best right you said that's how i feel about this i feel like this movie is not bad i i think the things this movie is yeah the things this movie was supposed to do like introduce the megas i feel like in my opinion it did a bad job with it i feel like it was supposed to make me care about mcgiron and it made me care more about volcanion because volcanion shows up and he's like i take care of these abused pokemon and i'm like that's awesome and then he has this cool like stoic facade and like i just really like volcanion after this movie and like seeing the way he used because when i saw the ring i was like does he just make like a portal of water what is that but seeing them like detach and like yeah yeah i was like that's cool i think volcanion

8:31 although he's like the grumpy old man the entire movie i think yeah welcome running out of water yeah drove me insane i actually wrestling i don't remember i don't remember seeing that because i only seen bits and pieces of this movie and i'm watching that and i'm like i'm watching japanese and i'm like excuse me what did i read that wrong so i stopped the movie and watched it in english right because it's like there has to be a translation there there was and i was like how does the water pokemon run out of water he has water boots i won't lie i liked it yeah i thought it was here's here's the thing we have to kind of throw some things out out from what we know of game logic yeah because that because volcanion also got frozen i was like yeah it has yeah steam eruption has scalded it has

9:17 so many moves that are just getting out of that volcano correct correct he didn't use a single fireman i was gonna say all the fire was turning water into steam yeah i kept thinking i'm like maybe he's not i think i remember that very similar it could reflect that so he doesn't get as many because i i went into my pokemon he does have a firearm some fire moves it might well john looks that up because we are getting to the plot let me go to our fans if what words let's go to our friendly website so it's a water move okay uh as always the dual

10:03 type move like which is um i grabbed the synopsis of the movie from the website pokemon themselves and uh let's talk about how they define this movie as it's just it's a more powerful skull that sounds right in the latest cinematic adventure ash meets the mythical pokemon volcania when it crashes down from the sky creating a cloud of dust and a mysterious force binds the two of them together while kadeon despises humans and tries to get away but it's forced to drag ash along as it continues to its rescue mission they arrive in a city of cogs and gears where a corrupt minister okay i never really saw him as a minister i called him a minister how do you think they used that that terminology he's an arcane scientist that's yeah because i didn't do great retelling names i just in the whole script i put like the royal family like

10:49 what i'm talking about the bad guys yeah alva's the guy the bad guy i'm going to be honest with you the more these movies go about like i know we kind of like rip on freaking goon but i was like at least i remember him because his name represents who he is like um let's see evil minister los angeles rescue nation or i have a city to stabilize you when evil minister has stolen the ultimate invention the artificial pokemon megirna created 500 years ago he plans to use mysterious power to con to take control of this mechanical kingdom can ash's volcano work together to rescue mcgearna one of the greatest battles in pokemon history is about to unfold debatable about that last part there yeah yeah yeah this movie is just the black and white movie but better

11:35 yikes okay no that's very accurate that is absolutely accurate from the flying city to the random legendary so i immediately i immediately compared it to i said this was steampunk destiny deoxys city where it was like super moving streets and everything like that if it took more place in the city sure yes yeah i made the bit about a big as soon as they like clement sees the city like oh my god science and they it is fine because it's all out in the forest yeah it is quite literally like it's like hey this ancient power that once did this for this city we're going to revive it to try and use it again to do this it is quite literally just black and white but steve also did you watch any of the trailers for this movie no so when this movie was remarketed they can't only show in the city

12:21 they never show any of the plot any of like mega evolutions they only show the city like the walls and everything like that because it's super cool yeah it's cool setting so like i watched two trailers out of the five that were released and the second trailer was just like clockwork sounds like the gears and like steam and everything and i was like wow they showed us like two pokemon and i'm hooked in this movie because i always watch the trailers before i watch the actual movies and i was like wow this trailer showed two pokemon which was pikachu and mega iron and uh it got me hooked and then i watched the movie and i was like okay all right let's see what you did okay interesting i think it's a fun movie but i i have a lot of issues with it okay i was chris and i talked briefly why

13:07 everyone still got here we were setting up um i mentioned because you said you had like issues with it i was like maybe we have the same issues and you just don't like them as much as i do or you dislike them more than i do i i mentioned to chris already like my only like big complaint was like why can ash just keep changing his clothes when he's he's trapped in the ring yeah i kept going because i'm because i'm like like what is he doing this thing where like the ring is here like he's like hoping sure the pants absolutely but the torso where his shirts go also can we talk about ash's trip yeah like mailman that he wore for like 20 minutes before he got wet again and yeah i thought about that too but then part of me was also like well usually there's like a little bit of give sure then i get i guess they're just giving

13:53 it some some leeway like when you put a handcuff on you still have some gaps in between and fabric isn't that thick sure so also ashley's like a puny 10 year old he could just like slip right out no he got that hips he got them hips he's got hourglass he's got his mama's head that's why he can't get out he's got an aggressive hourglass for him i don't like that no we talk about her in the next movie we do um thanks to dog tech now everybody has that speaking of speaking of ash that that defensive armor he has so you made a comment where like clement is only he's like here's an invention and

14:41 then ash is either science is awesome i didn't they got like when that moment came up and now she's like oh science is really awesome i'm like okay nope okay he said it no he said he said well so they did put the pause in between this time where normally it's like here's the invention science is awesome and like he didn't do that right away took him like he saved it until this is the part where i put a note where i'm like okay pikachu should probably be dead but um they were like volcanion use your big move save the day did it so he gets the suit of armor grabs pikachu squeezes him against volcanion volcano uses steam erupt or whatever the the big explosion is that does i don't think we have a name the attack i'm like should pikachu not just be like splattered on ash's chest well it's another movie where ash has gained the trust of the pokemon because

15:27 i think that happened that's a very common like trope in the movies we had to go with cario sark and because humans are bad yeah yeah but that's like i i get why pokemon will think that it's just that it's a repeating yeah just been like oh i saved my charmander from being abandoned i saved so many pokemons you should you should have seen my kept yeah and my chimp char and my all my fire types are abandoned by their training because they're fire type volcano was talking with ash and pikachu and then she was like yeah ash did like all this stuff for me and then volcano's like you're lying and i'm like so this is where ash gets his charizard and then it sets up mega evolution for the charizard he's off doing i think he's at oak slab

16:12 at this point i don't think he went back to charleston valley anymore he came briefly back in the fifth movie so that means that he was with ash at some point not the fifth movie wait wait wait wait generation technically right with that does he go to professor oak yeah he does i think yeah so it's charis civic valley that's what i always thought and then i think after smuggling and he goes back and then he comes back again first one league i don't know what league it is uh it might even be just orange islands or something and then from there he goes to oak's lab and that's where he is for reason i always assume he just went back to dragons yeah typically and there might be some in where he goes back and forth but i think at a certain point canonically he's just at oak's

16:58 lab most of the time yeah because correct me if i'm wrong here but in like the one thing i was waiting for and look like like just to hear about the anime was charizard going back to ash why evolution because i know there was the trainer that had the chart um charizard x and i thought they were going to do like an x verse y because my charizard's better than yours and then they never did it no they did something better [Music] oh i didn't have the chance to do that when cinderella i know it's super off topic yeah the whole battle bomb thing is a great gimmick that only ash can have and it makes sense and i think that incineroar was the perfect pokemon to do it after greninja you had told me at one point you're like you're not caught up in the anime but they're doing the exact same thing because they geared it up you were like they're gonna have ash in

17:43 center i'm like cool because they didn't see it every time they did cassatt he never used to see moves on he never used the cmos in toro cat but they always split the screen where ashley could do something and like they show half and half and i'm like they did that in gen six with great hundreds of times with froakie then frogger here and they finally and then the last battle with kakui i was like ashley's about to get uh this super important thing he could carry forever the whole time and then he did it and i was like there has to be another battle that you don't build something up for no reason and then i remember the gs ball and then i was like oh yeah they do just pull it up side note i thought about it after seeing this movie because i think it's the last time we get greninja i looked up ashes and also going into i choose you with butterfree and stuff um

18:29 i was just like who always ash like giving away and i saw a top 10 list of like the least important to the most important pokemon that ash has given away and it was like butterfree primate and then like number one was just like greninja and it was ash greninja and ash hugging i'm like i'm gonna [ __ ] cry so [Music] tell me why would you do that and the anime right now ash has one returning pokemon they haven't set what it is right and it's we know it's a water type okay i know he got infernate back recently yeah but he knows the water type so he only has he's gonna have return in pokemon it's gonna be a water type and everything in my heart is saying ash if you don't pick the pokemon that you bonded with more than pikachu for whatever reason even though you only know him for like maybe six months pikachu that was a distribution event for sun and moon

19:15 i was like if you don't pick her name jenna you're something's wrong with you if you pick i love squirtle i'm squirtle gang absolutely i totally get it but if he picks squirtle i'm sure squirtle's more accessible in terms of i also feel like they'll they might do squirtle for the dynamics or gigantomax guess a lot of uh he'd have to evolve yeah and pikachu yeah yeah and uh fat pikachu i love that pikachu in general yeah um but yeah anime is cool but yeah so the movie i i don't really know like the plot's pretty basic we meet mcgearn at one point um she's like this invention for from nicola for the royal family like 500 whatever years ago uh and volcanion

20:01 is just like i'm here to protect magirna and we don't really know why it's like much later in the movie but yeah the whole plot is we get magirna and then the gang's like hey volcanion i know you hate us but we have friendship bracelets so we have to stay together um we're connected at the leg i i like my torso yes i'm not sure how people felt about that specifically but i thought that was at least an interesting way of tying these two entities together it was better than ash being like i need to take responsibility for this yeah i think man because i mean yes it's oddly convenient uh and i know a lot of people don't necessarily like that because ash's mom wormed their way into the movie the third movie but even though that's oddly convenient i

20:46 still feel that that's believable because otherwise actually would have got crashed by uh volcanion and volcano like yes piss off kid right so i think that's that's at least a good way of tying them into the story um so do you guys want to hear my fourth complaint about the movie let's go bud uh so i've gotten used to legendaries talking right okay they had a perfect chance to have a man-made pokemon be able to talk and they gave it to volcanion instead of the one that's made by a person who shows up and goes behind the r2d2 beeps and deering i was gonna say i was like i totally totally agree until they get it i did find my gear that just like really charming with

21:32 the little beeps and boobs i enjoyed that i didn't hate that they did it but if they were going to make one pokemon that was mythical or legendary talk that would have made sense other than psychic types i will say that that was the chance i loved the design i like the concept it's just the pokeball i love the the lore right if bumblebee talks yeah it just looks like the strings together whole thing the beeping stuff stupid i love everything about it but the movie but i like everything about my internet right but the second that is that basically that the sounds i was like this was 500 years ago yeah i feel like his talk should have been more mechanical like more like like grinding yeah yeah um i wanted that's just adding logic sure sure so i guess in retort with mcgyrner should be talking about

22:17 caney on i i think about it if we don't change the movie at all except for my gear and attack volcanion doesn't i feel like the progression of plot is far less i don't even care that volcanion talked i just sure i was like if it's a mythical or legendary it's going to talk and the one where it would have made sense they didn't they booped well arguably and lucario like furry style creature confusing me all

23:04 the time or i know there are they're like yeah [Music] that it's kind of just special okay um no i get it i get it i i enjoyed personally the beeping and the boobing on the gear and i thought it was cute like when it trips over the legend like beeping underwater and then like pull it out and like it's just it's a funny little thing i i was afraid it was not remembering it i thought it might happen with jumping a little head with i choose you of like the moment where the

23:50 pokemon talks because that's why not people will like it right i thought there might have been a moment where geared up would start speaking be like well caney on i love you whatever and i was like i think i also want to help if they did the menifee route and it's picking up words yeah that's a mechanical pokemon yeah but i mean at that point if you have a pokemon that is talking to you in english and you you were built in a place that is speaking in human yeah it would have already picked up stuff that's right that's right yeah i uh so i there's another thing mcgiron does in this movie that bothers me and like the whole time anybody's like aggressive it does the flowers and then the one time just out of nowhere it's like gone [Laughter]

24:38 [Applause] attacks the bad guys but like two yards off of the target it threw me for a loop so hard oh man well let's not also forget i'll say this right now since we're on the topic of gun uh we had a pokemon hunter with an actual rpg yes movie rpg that's the most effective not a name at first when he fired and i was like oh it's just going to spiral out of the deck it hits volcanion he probably he probably had that ammo he used it on the amora and he's like amora who needs that there's a volcano a lava water cat in front of me i should catch that instead so oops i i loaded the

25:24 wrong ammunition it just blew up the thing so when they roll up and they have like pincer hair across they have like the whole squad i'm like oh those are all megas yeah okay that makes sense and then uh like the chaos the mega wave whatever i was like i'm if that's how they're gonna do megas in this movie like at least they stay consistent with not using the actual mega yeah stone and they just explained it in the intro to be like to clear up um when they had gardevoir be the only one who mega evolves the right way i was like okay sure whatever uh the thing that bothered me so much is that this movie was supposed to hype up megas and an army of mega evolution pokemon loses

26:10 to talonflame pikachu volcanion and greninja zygarde i think oh at the end of the fight side guard dog it shows up it's like i think i don't know what that form is called the isn't it just the dog no he turns in the big big dozen yeah that's the perfect at the end yeah okay it's once the big laser shooting at the plateau i just remember the dog yeah he turns in the dog and then she's like squishy and then so and then that also yeah so through the anime they find a cell and she's like you're cute and like he can't he can talk doesn't talk to them and throughout the entire thing he's like he sees more cells like be ready it's going down at some point just be ready and then eventually she knows she has an actual like right now they

26:55 have no idea what this thing is it's just a blah blah there's no pokedex entries like let's just bring it with us just put some of the purse too yeah yeah and then she's squeezing in there with the denny sometimes like so uh uh i think something would have helped this so in the anime uh the kids uh clement and bonnie their dad has a blaziken and he's like the strongest trainer in the college region he's a master of mega evolution he only ever showed blaze again but all his pokemon can mega evolved okay if there's ever a movie to bring him in because it was this one the anime did not follow anything with him at all like twice yeah like uh the beginning and then like the reveal of who he was yeah so he was basically like team rocket where

27:40 he's in the episodes so every five to ten episodes you'll see him like he's like looking down looking like a kuma while his place against like mega evolve out of battle and like he just like this kid is good right so they did that for the whole anime and i thought he was going to show up here because he's supposed to be this massive mega evolution they never did anything with him and i feel like this would have been the movie to put him in with his ability of you know being able to make eyeball pokemon because he can make he doesn't have the stones and he can still make that evolve pokemon but sham they didn't do anything with him and he has a six uh he has a team of six pokemon like a mega evolve so this would have been like all these mega man pokemon versus this and it just it would have worked so well and they

28:25 missed them yeah i think it was their way in the middle of being like yes they are mega formed but because the because yeah we know that it's a bond thing it's not just i don't just turn it on and off because i have the pokemon like so to force them all to turn into their ultimate forms i put you the bad guys you shouldn't have that kind of bond um yet remain weaker because it's not true meg evolution i think is the only real reason that to justify like yeah they didn't win even though they have mega pokemon really are we kind of like do you because you've seen season three with digimon yeah like when they forced the yeah well they forced gilman to evolve and he was like big and powerful but that is strong as well yeah that's what everyone's called but yeah i know all right that's growl

29:10 that's the thing that to me it made sense even though i don't know if they necessarily explained it is the fact that these these megas aren't necessarily like a lot of power comes from the actual friendship like gardevoir right they they kind of just like mention it like during battle when they're like it's not proper mega evolution you're not going to get the most out of it speaking of gardevoir though kimmy allen's like i i ultimately understand why they lost sure it's just the fact that they were like we need to hype up the megas so they gave the bad guys full mega teams just for them to get bodied almost the entire time i was like at that point just leaves the part where stelix and somebody else bodied volcanion they yeah which by the way one thing this

29:59 movie does really well that i really really like is the small interactions between pokemon like there's a part where bonnie and clement are on the back of clement's luxory and de dene is steering it yeah following ash's uh like electromagnetic pulse waist ring and uh de dene is like he's like and he like zaps his luxury and looks like he's like the more we watch these movies with luxory in it the more i realize that lux ray is a floss pokemon is just crap in game and it sucks just so you know ash was supposed to get lux ray and then decided to move it uh during the production process because he

30:46 has pikachu looks very soon [Music] in the opening of this movie when they're doing the battle that's right eats an electro ball and i'm like oh that was like where the hype is you know what happens next you know what happens next movie that's right yeah i got it yeah okay go what are we saying what you know what happens to luck streak we're gonna get into that different level we're gonna get into this is this the scene where ash writes the onyx is the next one that i choose you as the honest okay that's the niceness but um in turn with the eating the electric ball i want to talk about how bundle be totally clowned on norway for a while yo he straight up grabbing him and i was like whoa what is up with this bottle they're like let's train

31:31 that bundle bust again and then later i think i put in during the mega fight and this was to go along with your thing where again i treat it more as a meme than like i hate this somebody is messing someone up that just doesn't make sense i want to say it was like it might have been bumblebee was like messing up a freaking glaily or something and i'm just like okay that's your pyramid huge power dude yeah i hate it but it'll be pretty cool though i will say since we're i'm not sure what order we're going in this anymore yes talk about whatever with clement knowing stuff about this city this is the first time where like a side character has is just spouting stuff i'm like yeah this makes sense yeah yeah um because any other time it's like brock is like i know all these mythical pokemons you mean the legendary

32:17 poor and they look like the magical book yeah that's everything about this specifically little black book of ladies well brock that's a little creepy rocket didn't play a role here they did they actually did yes but this is one of those moments where i think it was kind of cool how they brought them in because they were hired by the evil yeah well yeah and then they didn't really know so much which at that point i was like did they give them a pincer and a hair cross in this season that's dope and then and then uh they were they had them back when team rocket wasn't there and i was like oh they're doing now they're doing this season what there's a deliberate that comes in he drops a gotcha and they have to put a coin in it yeah and then they get a bigger pokemon like they have had from agron tomato pineapple queen right just for like an

33:04 episode yeah no this is every episode the the gotcha is everywhere it's the bit now so like we're blasting off again team rock's like we're here ash we're going to steal your pikachu go and then something comes out right but they only get that pokemon for them right yeah they don't just keep aggro on forever and they put it back in the guy but they're getting like pokemon that you would never like there's certain pokemon that are getting a lot of love now and uh uh recently james got scoloped oh yeah like he jason james gimmick is still when he releases the pokemon even though they don't know him yeah they still attack him and like that on purpose like they love and like sculpey and i was like he needs to get sculpted now yeah so then he battled with him they wrote it and i was like oh they're so awesome

33:49 yeah this is cool moms yeah um one thing i i noticed and i don't know if anyone else heard it there's when um alba takes the capture mcgearn to take him back to the ship um and then the gang falls in and uh kimia gets inside and they're like bantering back and forth uh he's like how are you alive we literally blew you up and she's like the pokemon of the plateau saved me and he goes so they did but they recorded them so they did so they did it yeah so he was like it was like so they so they did yeah okay and then deleted it and then like undid it and left those two audio he legitimately interrupted himself yeah he

34:34 was like so they hey you know what i'm glad to see a villain with a stutter problem representation um also whoever wrote this movie doesn't know what mean look does so it does it does whatever you want it shows so the first time i was like okay and it can't run away it's stuck in place it kind of makes sense and the second time he's just like oh we can't control the soul heart gengar mean luck and it's just like yes i am so scared i will steer the ship and shoot your laser yes they're like it did not make sense at all to be fair hypnosis has done everything under the sun at that point it's true but like then just use hypnosis that at least makes more sense because

35:19 the premise of hypnosis is like you're under my control mean look is like er they don't run away from me they used psychic to fly in this movie are they fine they've done that before that's fine that's seeing the talking because i watch in japanese yeah i want to watch in english but i mean the thing in uh in dark knight rises where bane always interrupts people and he's like it will be very painful and the guy's like for you and like he doesn't finish that's what that is yeah yeah it was it just i ran it back i'm like yeah no they someone messed that up and like the fact i i imagine the film process having never truly been on the set of like a movie release and just seen you know secondhand how it all goes through somebody finished that movie

36:07 exported it they had like a group view session of some sort some handful of people watching usually you get 100 people right to watch a movie yeah and they all write mistakes and stuff like that yeah and then that like that happened apparently all 100 of them missed the so they so they did and then they published it on dvd and blu-ray which then you have another 100 people before that happens yeah okay awesome 200 people heard that then they released it on youtube to purchase and no one ever fixed that i feel like they probably lost the working file said it's gone i imagine all hundred of those people are on their phone because the movie got boring and they're like i think what happens is eventually somebody's like

36:52 oh yeah that's a mistake but it's a mistake wound up let's just keep it i didn't think about it at first and if to me it was like so they did so they did like that's how i initially exactly interpreted it and then i took it back and it was like so they did so they did and i was like why'd he interrupt himself i saw like you did you got his thoughts out before you get tripped up it seems like it happens all the time it seems like a bigger issue now uh as opposed to way back when we were watching jirachi and they didn't match with flaps at all and that was another thought i had is like maybe like the animation his mouth moved more than just a single so they did so they like tried to do it again but they just timed it wrong yeah uh but it also reminded me of the alakazam it's a [ __ ] scyther

37:39 like the clear mistakes chris how'd you like the flying fortress mansion thing that the fact that it just was made out of the city walls black and white at this point vehicles can do and they can be whatever they want speaking we'll get to that sorry no they they could just be whatever they want to be i'm not surprised at this point there's something later that i'm sure we'll get to like one of like the bigger moments but that one kind of had me frustrated yeah because it's a trope that i just hate when they go for and then they immediately pull back on it but i'll let you guys do it can the fan boys talk about the vehicle the princess on the motorcycle just like whoa just for it to turn into like a

38:26 helicopter backpack and she's still sitting and she's like well just like floats away and i was like why even have it turn into a motorcycle why did it start as a motorcycle when you could just literally sit down and fly out of the cave on it what is that pokemon two or is it two where the vault turns and starts flying uh that one would have been heroes that oh the boat the boat was four was it four yeah whilst the plot goes forever the boat was in the tube is the boat there's two was the fortress for uh lawrence yeah but there's also there's also i'm thinking of the hot air balloon one

39:11 where they like they get to the like the waterfall and they're just like yeah so i immediately thought of annie and oakley's car from heroes when they drove off the cliff and then turned into a jet and that's a [ __ ] like that that desensitized me to this moment that i'm like i just i'm like something's gonna happen saw that and i'm like all right that's a bike every every other one it was like they were on the road and then they needed to fly so it turned into the plane or it was a boat it needed to go up a waterfall or it was a boat need to go on to like land or a mountain or whatever so like for the most part the situations made sense but then there was just

39:57 the motorcycle into the flying thing when they could have just flown out of the opening in the cave and i was like okay the motorcycle was cool for all of like three seconds it was on screen i guess and then and then she's in a whole new airship the crazy thing is it doesn't even amount to anything you never see it again it was just to make kimia the queen of the movie she was pretty great and she showed up with the goth uh gardevoir or whatever no okay cares about gotham that weak ass pokemon from pokemon unite no one cares um i do want to mention how we've had like a severe lack of hyper beams in the last couple movies so they just stockpiled them here yeah when they like let's kill mcgiron by taking its heart gabriel throws it off like hyper beam who are

40:44 you talking to everyone i do i do like that though because up until that point they're like so and so use this so and so use that and then it's just like all right we need to make sure that we're good hyper beam and then all of them do dark pulse it looks yeah and i was like okay sure buddy it was you know the evil hyperbole yeah inside how many hyper views yes seven hyper bands we haven't used one in a little while so the audience isn't going to be expecting d20 like oh [ __ ] we're doing 20. if they used it we wouldn't have known because nobody yelled attacks except for ash when he was like hurricane no everything was just twister yeah twister and mcqueen just shoots a hyper being like okay yeah that's that's on brand which corrects me so so volcano said volcanion looks over looks over to

41:30 the hippopotamus and then he goes thanks for the safeguard so if someone used safeguards a multi hit a multi-hitting move and i'm like yeah and who you said maria yes i think it was like because i was like so in all of these movies and all of these adventures where pokemon just say [ __ ] it explosion nobody decided that this was a move that they need to have no one had altaria safeguard also doesn't do that it goes on all their pokemon i don't know you know because safeguard to protect ash i know he did i i was hoping anyone you're the one who would think about it metagross had a protector so because he was protected like all these times like these pokemon

42:17 just shoot a beam like like like horizontally no one thought hey safeguard just never right okay so oh bugged me that they chose safeguard instead of protect because like they didn't even use it on them they used it on themselves and stood up above them so they didn't get hit but i i thought it was a cool combination so there's a pokemon that showed up here that i like and it's never been shown that they even show that they barely even show them the anime watchog it's a gen 3 pokemon watch yes so golfing was the emotional transition of like we need to know that we're friends now so i let him have all the mouse during my first play ever i got one and i did the whole stockpile whatever you're the first i i know i

43:04 fell in love with him because i i love posting type pokemon and then ever since then like they never put the spotlight ever like even in gen 3 heals in two episodes i do like gold it doesn't it doesn't need it gulping and swallowing it doesn't need it don't attention no it doesn't need it uh after i pulled a freaking slow start gulping on my wrist that's forget about that so for context the way so afterward we you know we're saving beginner we're taking it home to the neighbor plateau plateau yeah um they take it to nice forest land um with the ring tree for some reason yeah but we're seeing all these pokemon like ooh humans like once and like very similar volcano like we don't trust humans um but they trust humans very

43:50 fast yeah well they let all their pokemon out and they're gone yeah they do this side of paradise not with the same type of energy there's this part where like zigzagoon and de denny are kind of trying to sniff each other's asses to be like are we fret okay we're good um there was oh my god it was luxury and heliolisk here we go here's this little one right yes still the tile yeah that's the little one the small ones feel it too yeah okay little one they were doing like that little electric like i could make shockies too and they're like oh i like you me too like that was adorable um sylveon got frisky exactly that was weird touching lily oh i did not know how to feel about it literally it was like get off me

44:35 i was uncomfortable support this chris you like cynthia she out there touching people without consent every other sylveon not sarinas have you seen serena like uh it's like in the anime like dragon meteor was used on a very tight and like you know how it's not effective yeah but in the animation like she uses the little ribbons and like choices have you seen that at all no yeah after this i'll show you the clip it's the coolest thing ever um but at this point like ash and volcano are like we're still like physically stuck together we're unwatched volcanoes like go to hell sleep i'll watch and actually like yeah i'll stay up too and volcanoes like they like fall asleep on his shoulder area like all right kid's kind of cute um but then gulpin shows up and he's

45:21 able to like melt the bands so now he can finally separate i was afraid he's gonna like burn ash's shirt or something i'm just gonna bring that up and i'm glad you did his ass should have died he should have died saw styles just like and then i'm like okay so it's mellowing the lock so it should probably go a little bit oh my god but then clement like the way that blade just i was like all right i actually should just are we still doing doing the idea of we end the movie where ash should have died yeah it's right there clement's like i got it like for a minute took off or the moment where volcanoes like hey get off me now she's like no you know and he's like no you like old me first and then he goes all right i'm going to blast you off and then

46:06 she's just like well he should have been incredible um i call it the far cry ending yeah right right after they get the brace off uh ash like grabs goldman's like oh my god thank you so much you got away from me it's like yeah it freaks out um and volcanoes like i think he says basically like i don't ask or he doesn't tell so i don't ask like for goldman's story he gave it so he he does give the story then but he does oh maybe he says about it i think he's slowly he says that the trainer gave him a big hug before he right before he just told that and then he said that's all he knows and he's not going to ask more which i feel like is a pretty good point if someone with trauma like that you don't want to you let them go to you with it you don't

46:52 you don't ask because it's weird that's it then i remember it being like i don't he's he hasn't told me so i'm not going to ask him and then he's like his trainer hugged him i'm like i thought you didn't know but um but yeah like this is the part where volcano plays like mediator to be like look i don't trust you people these pokemon don't trust you people because they've all had this experience with my trainers an [ __ ] i was waiting for like one of ash's starter fire pokemon to walk in like i remember like this um that's so true they all even yeah all of that was abandoned there was a point uh i think we talked about like once i just never did i was gonna do a nomenclature where we ranked ash's pokemon but this one season was so good so we kept getting new ones so i had to readjust the list and i had like

47:38 a bit where i was just like ah tepe he pokemon that gets left by its trainer and ash takes it over and then just go on to talk about tepping go later like ah charmander the fire type star that gets left by a train did i read this okay anyway ah chimchar wait a minute and like read the same thing carnival i'm the best of the gentlemen i feel like this one doesn't get no screens out you know what i mean he had his mouth taped a cynical abandoned no cinderella's the only one that was he was he didn't know how to use his fire yeah he was literally weak like he got caught back caterpie yeah i think except for senator speaking of being clapped by her caterpie next movie [ __ ] you pincer anyway um

48:24 but yeah so i i enjoyed this plateau stuff because it added more character to mr grumpy volcanion the entire time i really enjoyed it that was the part that turned it around for me because he was like i don't trust you but they're happy now and before they get attached to you you have to go you have to go because like i'm like all right so he's like that's where he's being like the mature like i could just keep them around but it's gonna be it would be irresponsible for them to just get attached and then just leave yeah so i'm like i i enjoyed that part it was interesting with the plateau because they showed like the little pokemon leo's and stuff like that like it was a volcano with a bunch of babies and then watch and then watch hog and then [ __ ] chest not getting out of nowhere earlier i'm like where were y'all

49:10 like currently a pop to the tree but i think this is my friend i know you hate these references on youtube that's only you uh there go ahead through them so as talking with volcanion i got the feeling of like you know what naruto talks to every villain ever and tries to talk some down yeah that's what i got from here but it got interrupted yeah because it felt like ash was doing the whole like humans are not so bad and like uh first part of it in my mind i can hear that [ __ ] flute playing but naruto starts talking to a villain that's what this felt like to me and it was kind of i wish they would have extended that scene of ash basically because like danny said ash could have talked about yeah i should have talked about chimchar he could have talked about yeah any of his pokemon that he found abandoned and i think this

49:56 this would have been it so that scene was a little there's a there's a very interesting moment at this point in the movie where volcanion says uh all humans lie and pokemon aren't like that and then pikachu jumps up and it's like says something and a volcano like pauses for a moment and instead of saying you're a liar he says something completely different yeah and i was like oh that was an interesting way of choosing some words there um which that highlighted that as one one of like really cool like character moments of the movie um and there's something that should have happened way later that probably would have sent this movie through the roof for me okay uh in terms of the like the height of the action um i'm not sure if we want to get into

50:43 that right now we can um but with the liar thing so i thought this had like two really good like reflective moments where hey pokemon can't lie so pikachu's like cool i'm not lying ashley's a good dude and that yeah you were saying like volcano is like he just pulled the reverse i guess like you just say that huh um but then they kind of do it later with volcania when he's like about to die and like sacrifice himself to blow up the ship where he's like yeah i'll take you guys to safety and then we'll go and i guess you could argue that it's lying um but he's like save the kids and then go back inside to blow myself up so we can destroy the ship um that would be like a pokemon camp it's more because i guess the logic there at the end was as long as i get them on the ship to go i fulfill my hand i said i

51:29 would bring them there by me sacrificing myself and taking out this thing that would prevent them i'm fulfilling that yeah that's the part that actually annoyed me the most because i hate the most when movies do do like like the whole like armageddon bit of i'm gonna sacrifice myself and then like like like you go through this moment and then it's like oh hey they didn't die i'm like all right so the stakes were like immediately lowered and it their sacrifice was fine we almost died and then died right a lot of movies will do the thing where they won't kill the person they'll just extremely hurt [ __ ] them uh how to train your dragon when they took hiccup's slag pretty much we'll say it's like yeah yeah uh when he lost his leg like that's a good way of showing

52:16 like he didn't die because of luck but now he's injured right but movies do a lot of the fake death is lucario the only other pokemon that sacrifice himself other than volcanion comes back dark right [Music] would have been the first one to sacrifice himself yet and actually doesn't come back in any way unless you want to count and tape that's a weird one um yeah so yeah ladies lucario i think that's uh jirachi went back to okay so they've done it before because the only way i thought off by the time was lucario i completely forgot about heroes yeah um but yeah so going back that similar

53:03 situation but how i took that is more so for the fact that ash is the line of when you said you're so powerful you can level a mountain so we don't need to stay here and blow this up and well kanyon's like you're right i did say that i think what would have made this moment uh better for me is as he's blowing up the factory instead of necessarily saying i'm sorry i couldn't protect you maghirna i think i i personally would have enjoyed the line huh i guess humans and pokemon we aren't all that different [Music] become consequences because my allusion to what volcanion was i think thinking at the time was the fact that oh i may have lied to that kid and said i was powerful enough to level a mountain right i'm not

53:49 powerful enough to destroy this fortress without being here um and i personally would have enjoyed that because ash then later on says you lied to me and i think that that would have connected the dots to what volcanion was talking about i like that i like that um and then as you were bringing up earlier i think i personally wouldn't have liked volcanion just kind of waltzed up at the end and being like hey guys um i think i would have appreciated more if the steam came out and they found them cratered somewhere yeah and then they kind of had to be frozen again what happened to me i'm okay with him living because there's plenty of pokemon or even like i don't does i really don't i forgot to look this up if mcgiron has a healing ability um it looked like she was using

54:35 aromatherapy um but they we have we've had plenty of pokemon do that at the end of movies too where shaymin uh brought back giratina so i think i think that would have went over well a little better for me i think and i don't i don't know if you'll hear this i think the problem that i had with this movie now that we're like we're talking more about it and we're doing a lot of what if scenarios is that a lot of the stuff that happened in this movie has already happened in other movies yeah so a lot of the even like the simpler plots throughout the whole movie are being repeated from things that we saw in the past i think that's why because certain things that happen here were more impactful like i think lucario even i don't like the movie i think lucario's sacrifice is way better than this one right here that's why i mentioned that point a couple movies ago was that we're seeing a lot of repeated themes now and it's

55:22 kind of getting fatiguing because it's like how many times are we just going to watch the same movie yeah at least the cardios came with real stick i think if volcanion had died i think it probably would have been significantly better and then carve his visage where the [ __ ] ring tree is and the ring tree matters yeah because he then like uh because that's why i asked the sacrifice thing because the first thing i came to mine was to carry i completely forgot about every other movie but like i remember watching this go like yeah lucario felt more special and not because he died but because yes it's already happened so i think that when you watch something a second time it just feels weird and i actually forgot it happened multiple times look for something ricardo's dog if i would remember all the other ones i probably would have liked this movie less yeah but i was sweating but it's

56:08 not just that it's multiple different plots throughout the whole movie that are repeated i i feel almost dark wanting it that way but like at the end when he like recollapses and he's dead and then mcgearner pulls out the flowers i thought he was gonna actually i thought he was dead yeah and she was like come on yeah come on and it's like because that would have been more fitting of an ending because it would have been like the ultimate sacrifice i get a kid's movie but like you can't you can't necessarily say that though with some of the evidence in the next movie we just watched belton destroy a father and a daughter inside of an airship that's also true they didn't die they got better they fell from the sky they got it

56:54 i think i think the issue is i think the issue it ultimately comes down to is are you okay with ending your movie like this yeah with some of the other instances aside from heroes but even heroes and lucario have triumphant moments uh with with volcanion dying at the end it's just part of me is wondering how you spin that positively that reminds me after that's because there's no alternative plot like if there was like if bulkarnian's death would have uh revealed something that uh mind your now was hiding or somebody was hiding it would it would have just gave him a gear in our purpose to help the abandoned pokemon so basically you need to give somebody and somebody like most of the time when you have an important character like this the character that picks up the will or

57:41 whatever needs to have an alternative like path and i think that this didn't have that and i think that would have helped a lot yeah with the recurring themes and like cliche ideas i think at this point in them it's did they do it better than the other movies who have done it or did they do it worse and i think a lot of these have done it in some in some respects worse and in some respects better like i think the flying city here made a little bit more sense than black and white because black and white they're just kind of like whoop we're up here now let's pick up the shore to go yeah yeah yeah this one it was like we're gonna spin it around put it back in and this one's like it's a whole [ __ ] like mechanical city that has a power source that can now make it fly which made more sense than just magic dragon sword go whoa like yeah

58:27 but then we got explanations because it was uh what about nicola yeah he wanted to build it as a way to protect the city but then he realized that the city was just just imploding in on itself because of the power that he made so he's like yeah uh we can't do this we're gonna [ __ ] off but that makes that made sense to me then there's the whole sacrifice thing where there are other movies that have done it better because like it made the stakes real um with ladios and then uh lucario um not really celebi celebi does die somebody just got [ __ ] sacrificed right right right the one thing this movie i like was the way that they linked volcanion and nash together it's like that wasn't planned at all

59:13 and and the thing is like i forgot about the second one that he stepped on and when it connected to ash i'm like i have questions because there was a chunk of ice left when they knocked him off the ship which i would have assumed had the other one but i'll accept it like for the fact that it's possible that it blew off him um but ultimately like i said fun movie uh i didn't hate it it wasn't like i started this movie was like god awful and just hated the whole way through it's just like while i was watching it i remember you guys saying that it's like a pretty good one and it's not one that paid me it's not manafee for me it's not other it's not like it's got kyogre jarachi wasn't terrible but jirachi like after the first like 20 minutes and neglecting like the last 20 minutes there's a lot in there that i'm just like [ __ ] i don't

1:00:00 want to watch this and this movie i was like i'm okay watching this but like get to the point yeah and when they did get to the point sometimes i was like did you really give me what i needed to see though or did you just kind of wrap it up yeah did you yeah yeah sloppily tied bow right yeah cause like i said megirnah never really like they explain what it can do but they never explain how they never explain like the full extent because the soul heart can i never explain that and yeah i don't know where it's like yeah because i was i was hella confused when he just like opened up its chest and i was like so you can just choose to kill and revive this pokemon movie i went and looked up so hard explained you just found gen two remakes and

1:00:50 pretty much if the pokemon is injured it's going to do whatever it can to help which what does that translate to yeah i i think it's like if you have like status condition because like you have like a huge like yeah that's another one i thought you were trying to get something out there chris i don't know because oh no so the thing i was going to mention is complete it's like a different part of the movie that i i think a heel set because i remember people using it in smoking yeah yeah oh okay so soul heart raises the user's special type of one stage every time another pokemon faints so he gets stronger so that we can defend so is that a double battle or like as long as it's in the party realistically it's going to be better in doubles because that's when when you're going to have

1:01:37 another pokemon on the field so so is if i'm doing singles if i bring my gear into out and then you're not going to get you're not going to get value out of it because it has to be on the field because that's when the ability procs america's people were using that's what i thought i just didn't know and it just sounds protect self-destruct yeah [Music] projectile parting shot whichever other one is that you sacrifice all your health momentum memento yeah beat him up yeah the the the thing i was going to say was um so so the thing i i really enjoyed was how they utilized meowth in this and it was like he was bawling because he didn't hear him cry and then he pulls like the wanda vision stuff i think i was like that like i was like i started feeling really bad because i'm like meowth is just hearing this and he's just crying the

1:02:22 whole [ __ ] time this guy's like i'm using you to tell when i can utilize the power in my gear and i'm like meanwhile look i just look i heard that i heard you i just when you made the one division comparison i imagine meows like walking down the stairs in like the halloween costume like this and letting me out the same always different art meow um so another thing i put i we pretty much covered all like my like thoughts i'm like yeah the plot for the soul heart could have made like a front stage appearance like make sense of what exactly it was um i had like what alva's like beef was like why was he trying to blow up the planet that was the thing i was going to ask because like i did anybody

1:03:09 get like a here this is what i'm doing because i feel like i hate grace yeah i had no idea what his intention was i think city fly and shoot lasers the whole alba thing which it's not solid it's not a solid reason but he recognized that magearna i think meow said mcgiron is still in there and he's like oh well what's the best way of breaking a pokemon but destroying what it loves and then he aimed at the plateau at that point it's not it's not a solid reason so it explains why he shot the plateau i guess it just doesn't really unless it's a power hunger thing why he did any of it in the first place that's the thing though he is just powerful he's a simple villain yeah but

1:03:54 kodak the bachelor guy poker guy he pulls it off way [Music] yeah yeah i didn't think alva like as soon as we saw alva and the gengar like he's the bad guy and then when they break the staff and we reveal that gengar is not a bad guy he's just mentally that's pretty funny i was hoping all the mega pokemon that were fine like they snapped out of here like all right we live in the plateau now

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