Pokemon: Gotta Watch 'Em All! | Pokemon Genesect and the Legend Awakened | Pokemon Movie Podcast

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0:48 until chris went and just being like you're next all right hey guys what is up cgnb back again with another episode of pokemon gotta watch them all the podcasts we watch every single pokemon movie we talk about the things we love with things we hate the things we absolutely adore the things that we just are haunted about in our dreams digimon exactly digimon chambers uh and then we put him in a podcast we rank them today dante's still dead but i have his notes so he's alive jesus he's getting a divorce and then now he's dead he's got a tough life dude he's hardcore tough man he'll be back we'll figure it out uh but the living ones i have everything i have can i himself i've got chris halfer and i've got mr

1:33 jonathan like you guys know john say something god damn it oh man but yeah so last time we watched keldeo or kiram and the versus the sword of justice that was you know his little movie but this week we were watching pokemon genesect and the legend awakened now i think what i'll do is before we do impressions i'm gonna i'm gonna read through the synopsis as listed on the pokemon website underneath the movie we got some things wrong with caldios i'm excited to hear this one here we go the synopsis when big trouble threatens the big city it's up to ash pikachu and their friends to stop it a vast pokemon in yeah okay fast pokemon habitat i see here okay yep a vast pokemon habitat amid the hustle and bustle of the big city

2:19 seems like the perfect new home for a group of five genesect the arrival of these mythical pokemon quickly becomes a problem though their nests threatened the city's power supply and they keep attacking anything who approaches it i scrolled [ __ ] 10 pages away on top of that they have attracted the attention of the legendary pokemon mewtwo who sympathize sympathizes with them because of its own origins also involving human tampering uh the group's leader known as red genesect doesn't trust mewtwo and their confrontation quickly rages out of control can ash and friends stop these two powerful pokemon before they destroy the city the world may never know all right let me see to hear this one so can i

3:05 yeah what did you think of genesect um i think that this movie has really cool scenes that don't let any of the things that they forced the inclusion of like mewtwo with it doesn't it never shines okay it shows it's like i'm mega mewtwo why obviously not in that voice it's like i make up youtube why and then it shows up to block a shot and then it does half of a seismic toss and that's all it ever does so you're mad about me too i'm not necessarily uh i also like until you read that i was like okay i guess that makes sense for the plot but until you read that i was like why why are they here why that place yeah uh it this is also another movie where ash just didn't need to be there yeah ash almost contributes nothing and

3:50 the pokemon of the habitat contribute more than hatch yeah yeah that's true for alligator is basically ash yeah for alligators like ash is like man we should do something for alligators like i'm already on it get the [ __ ] out of the whole movie alligator is our hyper yeah well fire flamethrower i don't know it looks more like fire yeah so danny yeah i have a question yeah are you familiar with genocide at all oh yeah i love it do you know how many drives he has i thought it i thought it was like arceus plates oh is it not mm-hmm no i thought that was one first time it's four yep electric fire so you want to tell me what the [ __ ] that fifth one was about fairy i was like oh that's dark and also i just want i just want to

4:37 point it out a helen doom is the true villain of this film because [ __ ] could have ended this at any point in time but chose dark pulse ball but he they're stealing yeah bug he can spin he's got a whole next he was just trying to protect his baby hound hour with dark you got fired yeah you work with what you know no no you think that's bad imagine the animator who did that and everybody's like bro that's a good idea the director of the film's like fire yeah let's just start john what did you think um i actually didn't write anything positive

5:23 i i tried jesus christ i tried i knew you well hold on i knew you guys want to bring up animation and all that kind of stuff so i only wrote things that i figured nobody was going to bring up um the positive-wise apart from like i love genesect nsx my favorite pokemon from part five six talking pokemon gen five uh i don't like the way he was used here um yeah okay i wish that the plot was completely different i don't know if you ever you're referring to red genesect or just genocide red down and all that uh i don't know if you ever heard the theory of genesect just a couple tops scientists yes okay i would rather say i was watching it i would rather have that plot that than the plot of the story and like genesis excite just rehash me youtube but with jenna's

6:09 second cup i would have been [ __ ] okay with that rather than this but i did write uh six pokemon talking one more in the last movie uh me too's never really explained is that mew3 it said a group of scientists that without communicating with team rocket creating a mewtwo exactly the same [ __ ] way it looks exactly the same even though they don't they have completely different data yeah i don't know about you but if all of us make a meat loaf it's probably not going to look the same sure i just want to say you got to keep the dna splicer energy for the mega mewtwo you know what else you gotta keep that should have been a special [ __ ] because these guys were in the anime the genesect army all five with a red leader in the anime uh do you also have of course that energy this is uh this is my my biggest point is

6:56 they always use mewtwo and charts are yes for marketing and i'm okay with it right this one time i feel like they did it wrong they have over six pokemon to work with right the whole time the whole point of this movie was to introduce mega evolution right they didn't have to use me too this is the one movie where they couldn't use charizard this is the one movie or even gengar who never has had the spotlight gengar is the one pokemon who no gym leader bernie's uh that came out way later no jimmy monty [Music]

7:41 he's got a g-max gengar yeah in swarm shield still i'm thinking morty gentoo yeah because that's like like the only time we really see gengar you know how cool you know in the anime yeah yeah you know how in the animation it's like maybe you know how in the anime you get episodes that are like sabo and the shiny apple and you know the episodes about sabo and the shiny apple gengar never had an episode until pokemon journeys when ashes caught one now he's funny gaming smart ash was hit by a chandelier you [ __ ] died even in the episode with sabrina it was hunter right so after many years of gengar getting love from the fans and pokemon [ __ ] on it this would have been a nice movie to have it am i hallucinating an episode of pokemon from the original series

8:27 where ash goes to like a house where a woman's waiting for her husband to go home and it's like a gengar and ash or uh glass ladies i know which one you're referring to yeah it's i think it's sabrina they're at like a party it's a mystical woman yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's gastly yeah he's making everybody's yep and then the venustoys the uh genius you remember that the fusion so as as they go to fight they're just like oh i'm gonna give you all your nightmares charmander i choose you fire extinguisher it's like all right squirtle and bulbasaur oh you know what scare them a fusion of their final evolutions and then he smacks together you know what actually is

9:13 but yeah um they could use any of the other megas i think blaziken would have been lucario they loved using a car alakazam chartstar afros even gengar i think any of those guys i think that not using mewtwo would have been the right choice and using any of the other ones because the whole point of mega evolution showing how strong pokemon become by using a pokemon that's well known to be strong already then because there's a difference between if you use blaze again or some lucario right the car is strong but he's not legendary pokemon or mythical pokemon strong but mega evolution would have shown like holy [ __ ] he's that strong and i think that using mewtwo was not the right choice i think even charlotte would have been the better player i think charizard would have been

9:59 substantially better especially keeping ash a part of it with his bond with chart with charizard like they could have used that as like the main focal point as to why genocide is like hey we can co-exist and we can be friends because we can attain this yeah and i think that would have been way better i normally i normally don't i love charizard but i hate the way pokemon's like he's the only pokemon that exists yeah i hate that but i think this is the movie that they could have used uh and like you said ash didn't play a good role he did not uh and this having charizard gonna change that yeah so i'm i am always in the camp of please list me every possible option before we pick charizard on youtube like i want to see if and if any other thing i'm like that is going to work i would rather pick that so like when

10:44 you're like gengar what am i saying yeah i would nine nine ten times out of ten want to pick them before i pick charizard again um and again i i feel like i've made a persona of me hating charizard more than i actually do now keep in mind to see this [ __ ] face now keep in mind prior to this he wasn't used to smart sure this is this is when you get the oversight this is right before we get megas and gmax and everything so it's the movies two of each yeah yeah the movie two gmat two g maxes or not gmx yeah but uh this is this from here forward it's when charlton starts becoming like leon's pokemon yeah detective pikachu he's still a big baddie in that cage two megas uh all these things i think that gen one sticker to slap on

11:29 everything i think i honestly don't think mewtwo was needed there's nothing that mewtwo can do that that alaka sam he can go mention couldn't do something that there's nothing that gengar uh basically there's nothing you could do that none of these other ones that i named the only reason i named some of the other ones is because it would have been nice to not use a legendary because then you can say mega evolution is really strong that it can keep up with these genesics i think that's oh gosh yeah so chris you had a reaction to something because danny is on he was on the the train of lists me every possibility before charizard i was like because like gen 6 i hear it's my favorite generation hands down um so obviously we know charizard has two forms i know one danny would have loved to see

12:16 is mega agron then there was the only other two fire pokemon that got mega evolution was a mega blaziken and wouldn't you [ __ ] know megan helen but then he could well hold on guys which i think one of those were oris were they not yeah that's all i was going to say no no there's their x and y because because blaziken was a special at the very beginning it was a limited time and then they gave him the swamp and then hound doom was always in the game you don't get it until post game okay so like they could have had like a trainer in the electrical with a hound doom and then like while the houndoom's just chilling and it's not able to keep up with them for whatever [ __ ] reason hey mega evolution here's this awesome fire dog have you seen what it looks like yeah of course

13:04 it's beautiful i love that dog they also could have had the the park ranger guy eric yeah they could have had him have like a bracelet you have a mega and they could have been like mega caesar also there's there's i don't know if you guys watch the anime uh for gen six but bonnie and and clyde clements uh dad has a blasiken uh he's basically a superhero yeah and his place again it's mega little time by the way he's like a mega all the time this month yeah super rip doesn't run out of energy he's a mega all the time this is where you put her that you create such a badass character probably would have worked yeah this would have been the movie so that when we watch the ending we're like clement anybody's that's a [ __ ] badass if they really want to take it to the next level you wanna know who's in the end credits of this movie

13:50 it's india i struggled against her with my reggie gigas in here mega garchomp now that's never going to happen she could have been visiting the pokemon that i listed were pokemon that pokemon likes to use like marketable pokemon that's why i didn't go through and the whole list because i saw blast loose and venusaur and i was like they're not blessed and venus are not going to get picked over charles you know what i mean like the marketing team will never do that i pick gengar because lately the games have been a little bit giving him love i mean he got his uh meg no he didn't get him he got a g-max who was that gengar yeah they just looked the same what's the i said okay that's one very giant so he's been getting he's been big on the ground yeah

14:35 so he's been getting a lot more love that's why i put him there but i put pokemon that like are marketable and that they recently had started using and i was like any of these would have worked i mean honestly if i'm being honest any of these would have worked yeah um even if you didn't want to go the the weakness route you could use this work which is the same [ __ ] typing steel bug um you could have gone the route of my while as well i just think that mewtwo's not the right choice i like that so far the whole movie the whole conversation's been like why mewtwo um i agree i don't think mewtwo made or what was the make-or-break thing for this movie um i do not have as negative as interactions you i coming off of kelvio i thoroughly enjoyed this movie

15:20 and i remember watching it because i think growing up i was like this movie's kind of bad and watching now i'm like i enjoyed that better than i thought it'd be right it's not like the bottom of the barrel so for me i had the opposite reaction when i watched it i was hyped because genesect being one of my favorites and watching it i was like see this movie made me enjoy genesect more and i think i enjoyed i enjoyed their use of cg yeah because it is far superior than the things we've seen before where they've really figured out cell shading of like hey we need to make this thing look 3d and that's going to be a lot of work to draw hand but if we put the right lighting the right shading on it we're going to turn this 2d character into a 3d jet and have it fly around and it looks really good

16:07 i think it looks amazing i think uh genesect five did feel like overkill yeah because i was calling so our main genesect are our hero genesect i was calling baby genesis i wanna go home and then it was called yeah shiny genesect or red and then i just the rest are just other intersect russian just even then like i feel like unless you pay attention all right he's got this drive he's got this drive she got like to note i i can only think of one moment throughout like the majority of the movie where they spoke like after regenerating fighting mewtwo baby genocide was ko for like the fourth time um and then they're like fight me and they start fighting all the pokemon in they say destroy them a lot yeah they say destroy destroy them

16:55 fight so here's two things that i uh that dropped the rating for me for this movie um i like i love the fight scenes but one of the things i hate is have anybody i mean if i have watched star wars there's one thing i hate in star wars and it's whenever you have the chase scenes and the planes those things are always way longer than they need to be sure i don't enjoy ship battle normally they did this a lot in this movie i hate it i hate that um i like the battles until they went into the interesting and chasing child i enjoyed it in the same way i enjoy it not to the same level but in the same way i enjoyed the oxis versus rayquaza yeah fighting around the city um this one felt way more violent watching

17:41 i think it is genesect who blows mewtwo into a building yeah and just leave a crater which realistically probably would have shattered through the wall um but like in that moment like [ __ ] people are in their rooms like tucking their kids in and just bam they just snapped against my window and like and i i liked the they did not do really any job of explaining the mega evolution other than you two like flying into space i need to i need to go plus ultra however she decided to define it and then transform and flew further and then pass out and fell i don't even think she are you talking about the interest uh when she's flying with all like the bird stars she's in this space she goes i bet uh she's like wow you guys are fast let's see if you can keep up and she transforms then and then like goes up and then she

18:27 like starts icing over and she's like i can't survive here yeah why didn't they use me to x because which is the cooler one and it's a fight i don't know why it's the same question i'm sorry danny you're i just don't know why why gets the attention yeah smash brothers like like they had the perfect opportunity to have mewtwo acts come in and throw hands why do we just get a mind blast and then wipe like i don't there's a simple answer to that and i think it's because pokemon likes to market cute petite things and like charizard yeah and selling selling being small a kid's going to see that it's going to want it

19:14 dollar means it's like bulky and he has like the chest stuff and the arm stuff i think that's the only thing he's this is not a fighting type is he yeah yeah he's like exciting he's [ __ ] brutal too like i would have loved for genesis to come in his youtube goes into no no that would be so [ __ ] good if he was in any show movie short it's not like that's so [ __ ] just does he mega and uh uh dark dark mewtwo's in pokemon i think yeah but do you have regular mewtwo as well right i love regular music yeah i have the game he does his ult normally if they have a mega evolution they normally transform because i know uh sceptile blaziken gengar because uh i i would love the scene of

20:02 genesis coming in and me to just and i think that would have been amazing because like the movie's he would have gone back and forth and i mean they think like even if they though that was like the reveal at the end where were like like if mewtwo's like i have to get stronger and that's the they keep that same thought process but have them do like a clash where it's like it's like this form is not enough let me use the other one and then immediately you're like wait one minute yeah wait and hold up and then it was just a cop on the punches like that would have been cool yeah i think they needed to clarify megas a little bit more and i guess this was a wild

20:48 entity of like we as humans don't understand what mewtwo's doing and maybe mewtwo doesn't even understand she just knows i get stronger when i look like this um but i think the biggest issue this is where i kind of wish i could see it as a kid who hadn't seen mewtwo the first movie like seeing mewtwo for the first time so i saw someone i did that the person that i watch this movie with has never watched me too okay uh they're they're agency they're gen c and um when i was watching it with them they never seen the first this is their first time being they know who mewtwo is because being exposed to the carrot yeah yeah and they hated it okay yeah they did not like it she uh she said the pokemon felt weak i kept telling her how he's not he's like pretty strong and hella cool that was

21:35 she didn't get that from watching this yeah she doesn't get that he's a badass or that she's a better he didn't get that as strong uh i told her about how like in the first movie like he started a storm and he can pick up a pokemon and [ __ ] eat him and she didn't get any of that from this movie and she again she's only gen 5 was where she started playing pokemon and this is all she's like seen so like from this is just one person i'm sure everybody's different but for her i overhyped mewtwo because we know what you know and my over-hypedness did not even help uh it was just she said youtube is underwhelming and yeah she said it's cute the voice is cute it's i think it's a big part of like i said the way they use it because

22:21 it it transforms blocks a beam from five of them and it does that like three times and then even when it's fighting genesect all that hat like because it's just fighting the red one all it does is clash every single time yeah and then it grabs it by its little backpack thing does half a seismic toss and then goes look son friends yes grass we made the joke watching that that like i was like one where's rayquaza yeah yeah she's flew straight through his atmosphere just he was driving like tundra watching the ceiling i was waiting the whole time i was just wanting and this is because i watched a lot of watchman i was wanting one of the genesis to grab youtube by this little [ __ ] wayne mega evolves the little

23:08 bottle cap opener i wanted that so bad i don't know why that wasn't a thing sure because they don't have hands just like they're pinchers yeah they have they have a little like toe i will say this like i said i did like the battles a lot danny yes you said you liked it i like but i just don't like the chase scenes uh that's something that like i hate in star wars i hate in like any action movie where two cars are being chased those scenes are always way longer than they need to be i think i like it more when it's a character not a ship without watching two big metal birds fight each other i could care less yeah um when i'm watching two entities that if they hit the wall it's probably gonna hurt that i'm okay yeah like seeing more devi because the whole thing is genesect like jesus christ you've been [ __ ] with me this entire movie please go the [ __ ] away so i can

23:54 take this place and have a home and like he's real [ __ ] fed up with it he's like if i can kill you now nothing can stop me there's no one getting in my way except for the other [ __ ] genocide that's like please don't [ __ ] tell me what to do yeah um i mean while every fire type is just like let me just not shoot fire [ __ ] yeah um i like i said i enjoyed genesect in this movie this movie made me appreciate genesect more which is funny because like two weeks prior in xenoverse the play through i had to catch genesis i'm like i [ __ ] hate you you're the [ __ ] worst stay in the [ __ ] pokeball sd like 17 [ __ ] times and i just i wanted to die he's a fast boy yeah but i really really enjoyed um a good portion of this movie i agree

24:40 ash and the gang didn't have to really not i think they stand a bigger purpose than they do in keldeo but not by a far more so the movie did what it's supposed to though because you're supposed to like get a tech the whole point of these movies to market whatever pokemon because for me i like genesect because of the card game because i had a grass deck and uh he was very broken so he's a bug and uh and uh he was a grass type in the card game and i that's why i end up liking genesec and that transfer into the video games and other medias but the movie the whole point it's hey let's market these pokemon i think that when it comes to genesect they nailed it when it came to me too they did it it was cool it's again it's one of those things where they are even in the anime that exact team the team of four and red genesec

25:26 and i was like why couldn't this have just been like focused on them special so we can agree the last one we should have been special yeah yes yeah which i mean like ash in the gang like like like with the story they presented they need to be there but they could have told like going back to like the whole charizard but by branching off with that another way that they could have been useful was if it was the you know the mewtwo that he interacted with in the first i would have been a cool call back to their to the history of the show but they could have done a thing where it's like mewtwo if you're here something's up like what can we can what can we do to help you and then it's that new to playing off of that history that they have and like maybe genesect is having a moment where he's pinned down and he's mewtwo's about to get happened

26:12 but then we see like other mega evolution pokemon start like stand up to step in one mega for alligator would have been majorly deserved and i would have loved to see chris is like i want to see the made up evolutions we don't have let's like something like that because it's like it's like the thing that i personally get annoyed with is when is when like any form of media has like a big history and they don't acknowledge it because it's like gen 4 those three movies worked together in tandem and that's why they were good they were strong together but then this one had all of that potential and just completely ignored it yeah i

26:57 remember now why they didn't use storage on me too i wrote it i wrote in my notes and like what the [ __ ] you had to find it yeah yeah i was like what the [ __ ] does this mean i miss dan green you too uh but i basically i wrote a note and i'm like i don't know what the [ __ ] this means yeah um i mean for the most part this has a much bigger cast of pokemon which is very nice you're not watching two pokemon do the same thing all movies i just don't know are they the trainers i think a lot of them are from the park right now all of them are from pokemon hills other than those that belong to ash pikachu yeah oshawott yeah those are crashing them but so the reason they couldn't use the original mewtwo is because the writer who made the original first

27:43 pokemon movie passed away right a while back and his estate so basically his company still owns the rights to that need to which is why it came he also wrote a special and then he was brought back to write uh one of the movies i can't remember what it was uh they can't use that that mewtwo is not their property essentially for moving purposes only um so he owns the his east state own speed 2 into a god knows when it's kind of like the whole i don't know if you guys come out with a kadabra thing or the alka-sam thing um there's this magician who uses spoons for magic tricks okay and he basically his name's alex sam well his name his nickname is like a sam and he thought nintendo ripped off

28:29 of him yeah and he there's a reason we don't have any alaka sam pokemon cards or cadabra sorry not alakazam we don't have any cadaver alexander one original new so he recently allowed nintendo he was very small yeah i'm gonna allow nintendo to use my name and uh now obviously the newest print they just print out like a hundred of these [ __ ] cadavers because for years they didn't have them it's the same thing here so this guy wrote me to he owns it and then jesse state doesn't want to give it up and that's why they have to use a different youtube so whenever they use a mewtwo they can they can't use the lore of the mewtwo that he eats right yeah which it's unfortunate it's the marvel it's the marvel thing well he wrote that one it's the marvel thing of like selling your rights and then wanting to use it and the people are like [ __ ] you i make

29:15 no money so yeah it makes sense seeing this at the time it came out versus what marvel is now because i'll be like you could have figured that the [ __ ] out i mean it took marvel over 20 years sure 100 yeah and they still they're still having trouble because with sony i mean they get spider-man but they make no money from it so listen sonny get your [ __ ] [ __ ] it [ __ ] do it right dude sony's making fun of me somebody's making millions of dollars marvel's making none from spider-man so yeah but pokemon um yeah pokemon yeah good yeah so something like there's like there's like that played off history and i think it was just like the way mewtwo was like the whole time was just like they're like me they don't belong to this world they do though like it's like you can live in tandem with things and you can

30:01 co-exist you just gotta find the happy medium so that argument never sits with me the whole artificial pokemon because we have polygons yeah and i said that yeah polygon success in the world also polygon's not the only one uh there's other pokemon like rotom's and these pokemon who are are like real time's not artificial but the way we interact with them they're not a rotom decks is not an actual like normal roll time right so like same thing with the mower and all these things we have a lot of like man-made pokemon or pokemon that evolved the way they are because of humans so the idea of like we're different and we don't fit in just never it's never a good theme for pokemon especially when you had a whole movie based on a pokemon that was cloned and the message was that we are all the same

30:48 yeah yeah i i think the the way they tried to tell that story i think was as close as a reference to the original as we could get yeah to be like without getting the same weight the same you know whole nine yards there we go that one's like i actually use that one like purposefully yeah but uh i i think but starting it out mewtwo is very much like look i get it you guys don't know what you're doing like you're you're lost you just woke up after umpteen trabillion years you need to figure it out is new and he goes out of me yeah the red genocide is just like look all we know is that if you're not us you're against us like if you're not one of us five we need to get you out of our way so we can be happy

31:33 so the the conflict comes from the genesects i don't like ignorance because i feel like that's more negative than it's just they've been hidden from any kind of knowledge that they would actually need to survive in this future that they're in now like they're they're five steel bug captain americas right now being like i don't know what's happening um except they have big lasers on their back uh but i think baby genesect is the best of like i'm so confused guys if you haven't seen this movie it's not a baby jacket it is smaller yes but it's not a big deal it's physically like half the size i'm gonna call it baby jazz like because it's the whiny like i want to go home i don't want to be here but yes it is is it an adult genesect but i'm going to call it for differentiation i'm going to call baby

32:20 just call it white genesis no it's not white it's water genocide wait it's baby genetics which i do like how they use the water like genuine gesta raises up and then like it gives out like that heart felt like like malt like message and all the other pokemon are like [ __ ] i don't think we should be doing this and they use the water to simulate crying that was so i thought that was nice i thought that was nice they could use me if they used the same new from the first movie who already experienced dealing with mewtwo then it would have been like not iconic but it would have been mewtwo trying to explain the same the same story back to him and i guess it would have been they just used mu for the c well just for the car yeah yeah i think mew would also been a good pokemon to replace me too with and then you could have the same outcome now i think it's tough either way you look at it to be like anything besides

33:05 mewtwo unless it was original mewtwo makes this not great um now if this was original mewtwo and he would have gotten clapped one time by genesect do you have anything that people will have if if one genocide if five of them jump in i'm like okay block types okay collapse our original mewtwo they would have been a war like um i learned that nobody loves and hates mewtwo more than the fans because like we love him but we hate seeing him and everything but yeah so basically as they they start genesects are trying to find the home and they end up deciding like hey there's this nice foresty area in the middle of a big [ __ ] city park exactly if we build a nest there

33:51 like we have a new home and everybody else is in our way of doing that but because the only one who can speak is the sociopathic leader that's like destroy them all there's that like barrier of dialogue of like i could be like hey guys we need a home destroy though and we just what we could have easily asked ends up happening in the end anyway uh we just live here in pokemon hills except we have a big open crater-sized nest that hangs off the side of a cliff um i was really confused once they did that because like once they showed like now where did the genocide go i knew they were gonna like find wherever the flowers were that picture in the pokemon center that eric took eric also irrelevant uh barely has a purpose correct um but once they're like it will go there i'm like all right cool where

34:37 was that picture taken again oh it's in the hills yeah so we just fought at home for an hour yeah okay all right so yeah there's always almost a duex mechanic almost at the aspect of their fighting is because they don't know where to go right bro just [ __ ] go over there go find there's there's a whole world right they're not that ignorant there's a whole world they could have just yeeted themselves into a different city a forest clearing a prairie there's so much they could have done when i was watching this i remember sitting there like why are you attached to this one it's right even the idea of let's destroy every we're gonna do live in ruins it's not the same forest it's not the same land there's buildings and

35:22 [ __ ] right so like by that theory like for me it was like clearly you guys fight like you defied the loss of physics by fly right you guys break the speed of sound right leave go somewhere else there's no way they're still ignorant they don't know that there's a whole world out there i don't think so much came to we could go anywhere else as much as we have a a destiny place to live but you're not there anymore sure it's not but it's the the world in which it existed is not there anymore but it's still that if i go if i go outside and piss on a rock 20 years from now and that rock's still sitting there that's the same rock i pissed on maybe somebody wrote on like x you know a couple

36:08 crush initials and stuff and it's got moss on the side it's the same [ __ ] rock so they're like hey it's not the same but it is like this is our home this is where we were eons of rock paper scissors because like it's like the shark they're brought to an age that's entirely different from the one they remember and they're living with the shock of it and that's more or less what mewtwo is trying to [ __ ] tell the red leaders hey look at listen you're not supposed to be here and i get that destroy yeah destroy them also the whole thing i'm not supposed to be here either make some sense yeah like i'm like why are you squaring up with them like every chance like i get like the red one is the one that talk to him because like because i think you tried multiple he did no that's right because like at the end

36:54 where like mewtwo is like there's only one way i'm [ __ ] doing this and then that's when it brings out yeah yeah yeah it's every drawing to see if i want the thing i feel like it wasn't intended to be a seismic toss i got the impression like i thought at this moment before we do the same with the same air it was like all right red genesect will not listen we got the other four to listen i gotta stop look at the sun i thought mewtwo's in there like all right we're done and just throw jenna that's what i thought that's like see ya and go back down like that's gonna be kind of morbid um i don't think we've seen any other pokemon apart from charizard and lucha that do septic toss right uh not in the way that anime would the moon because both of them do though yeah um but yeah i think

37:39 uh i don't know i don't know how they could have stayed without the logic of let's get rid of the mewtwo that we got i don't know what else they could do um because like i think the concept with mewtwo it works it's just without the original it kind of falls short it's still equivalent of like imagine switching out ash for a new character but you still keep silent and yeah i think the idea of dragging genesec off world to be like look at all the bonds people have like genesis like oh my god sean's in space so that could have worked with the original me too because uh there's that anime scene where he's like sitting on a flagpole and he's looking over the city

38:27 dark right i think yeah and uh they he could have literally grabbed them all done with their psycho powers and show them and travel to like different parts of the world and i'll tell you what makes the chase scene absolutely perfect what is that while they're flying through the times square of the city on one of those three of those screens they're playing pokemon docker yeah it's the it's the metagross versus the same teams so you you mentioned earlier that ash played a bigger role in this than keldeo and maybe i missed what ash actually did or any of them what did they do so i think ash's team played more actual guidance of like hey this it sounds weird cause it's gonna be like over the phone being like it's the

39:13 second movie but i think keldeo's showing up to the group to take him home felt a lot more hollow than ash being like hey you're you're in this area i don't know what you are hey gang meet this and then ash was the tie that kept baby genesect from turning full evil every time red genesect said hey turn around and kill everything um so actually like i said it wasn't by a far margin ash was support in this movie one in the other movie he just existed so that kelvio can save him that's why it's that way yeah i feel like if you took if you took these movies as they are i see what you're saying deleted ash on the team from keldeo i feel like you wouldn't miss anything if you deleted ash from genesect you're like something's wrong something doesn't feel right i feel like something should have occurred there

39:59 that led this genocide to do the thing it did yeah um also actually needed so that they can see the bomb well they didn't they didn't see any bonds with ash though because all they did anytime ash is on screen was they like destroy them and then the one went wait i can't kill that one and the guy went don't you [ __ ] disobey me until mewtwo flew him up in the space and went look at the sun so like pokemon's getting wild in my in my hands such 3d headphones in my mind a pokemon could have like walked up and been like berry and the other genocide could have been like oh i i'm not from here like you know not i'm not using actual words because it's been like shine it could have been like no eat it and it could have been like put in your [ __ ] mouth martha yeah then that pokemon could have

40:44 just been in every other scene it'd be like no that one helped me out it it wanted me here like it could have just been easily replaced we can't downplay ash when one of the biggest things he did was mansplain missing he didn't do that it's like mommy mommy i don't know if i'd say that's mansplaining explaining but like to me all i saw in this movie was ash showed up was like what's this bug thing i'ma stand on it and then genesect was like home go home and he's like homesick and then other genocide shows up he's like murder that [ __ ] thing it's in the spot we want to live and then you two takes them underground from the explosion yeah and he's just like i need to go stop the gen a second

41:30 ash is like wait you're mute i'm youtube yep that's what i was gonna say and then yeah and then uh would you wait which you brought up a point i i completely forgot to bring up again just put this another one on the chalkboard of pikachu see something that's very that somehow like no one else sees like i don't know like how like ash and pikachu are here there's a giant purple and ash is on this side he's like this like completely missing the point so ash came from the direction where he would have been staring straight at the genesect and he goes oh up here and like you don't see the genesect and then pikachu goes huh and it's just full ass genesect just like that

42:15 and i was like wait a minute how do you not see that it makes sense because rats have good hearing i guess if they want to do it if they want to be no i agree i took note of that i'm like i'm just saying i'm just trying to ash ash's blinders on he totally missed the big [ __ ] bug which i mean i [Laughter] um but sticking with the ash having a bigger role for this i feel like so the separation that occurs between the genesect attack and then stabilize our new friend being like ash gang like some shit's going down i need you to come back and like initiate initiate the solution i guess um

43:00 felt more relevant than him holding kodio's hand to get back home even though again at the end his sole purpose in keldeo was keldio chose to protect them from kirum therefore you're a good guy good job um somebody met like 20 minutes ago yes but ash felt to me more significant as the uh the connection to humanity that genesect was supposed to feel that baby genesect picked up significantly sooner than the other four um and i still at this point i don't know i guess technically once they're living in the hills and feeling like safe and sound or whatever they pick up that connection to everybody else being like i guess we all can be friends huh same always say man or whatever um yeah i got that a lot more with ash's

43:46 gang in this now there's no prophecy where ash was destined to save the world or anything i from the genesect in their disgusting web that turns into [ __ ] stumps i hated that [ __ ] oh he's like beetles uh but yeah i i don't disagree that he did more in this movie than keldeo i do think that it could have easily been replaced by anything else and i think for alligator literally got more screen time i think that the alligator is the main character i think that for the gen phi movies not counting black and white i do think that ash is i just don't think he's necessary yeah i think i think that we're getting in the realm now or back in the day when we had pokemon they didn't have the lore that pokemon like septos at the time was just a

44:32 [ __ ] thunderbird right as the gents go by they keep giving us more lore for some of the older pokemon i think mewtwo had the most lower in gen one there's not many pokemon that have deep lore we got more as gen two three four five six came out but the movies had to rely on human interaction now i think i think gen 4 shows this uh the pokemon have so much lore now that you no longer need a human other than yeah to carry forth i think the humans need to be used as support and the pokemon need to specifically [ __ ] know anything about them i think that the last two movies if you remove the human aspect from them the movies could still work very easily and i think that they should probably and i know they don't because i've

45:18 seen the rest of the movies but i think that there's times where humans should be involved and there's times where they should mewtwo had to have ash do his sacrifice like the first movie yeah because it's because of that sacrifice that mewtwo was able to see his wrong ways he got really close to recreating the first movie yeah twice yep right in the middle charging lasers and he's like stop and they're like [ __ ] shoot is that so i imagine they they he didn't learn his lesson yeah i think this movie was supposed to be a recreation for the newer ages because this movie came out probably what like 10 15 years after the first movie no way longer the first one came on 98 right

46:06 90 this one 97.98 for the first movie house this was 2013. yeah it was in texas when this come on so 15 15 years 15 years yeah 10 15 years oh sure so they were retconning because yeah because that was nice that was like my biggest takeaway was they were just retconning that's that's all it seemed like is it just like hey here's mew mewtwo's interaction for a younger audience and it was just mewtwo being like hey i understand your plight but like we can't take this from them because then we're kicking them out of their homes i can also see this movie being an homage and they went and did the movie before they asked permission to the estate then they were declined and they had to reduce all the scenes yeah but the scene with the lasers 100 that was yeah there's just a lot of stuff they did that didn't have nearly as much of an impact with almost the same exact

46:52 message and there are so many scenes that could have been made better just by either a little like like caldeo just a little bit more explanation yeah or a little bit more um pokemon on pokemon interaction versus human yeah well that's the thing that i'm seeing a lot and uh i think the i won't spoil the plot but i think meggie aren't like magiarina or mega arena or whatever that needed humans for that moment to work and i don't know i think i don't mean gear in the talks right i think it's just that good yeah like you need a human that which yeah i guess here yeah yeah they all got six like like the premise for lucario and sark movie you need a human you need it the human drove the film because the pokemon were unable to do

47:38 the goal by themselves so you needed that human like ash had to pull the staff and so that car can come just starting to think that legendaries get the pressure [ __ ] and the games and then in shows they just get telepathy as their build yeah that's their hidden ability for the shows and movies i actually hate that ability so pressure pressure is only good when your opponent uses fire blasts yeah something with the five people but realistically everybody uses flamethrower yeah and something better that has a higher pp count um i figured i'd take this time to read dante's opinion on the movie thoughts i love it it's amazing dante genocide legend awakened admittedly there are a few things there are a few things i like in this movie i dig the light speed battles and then you mewtwo just said [ __ ] it to space does that mean it's a

48:26 good movie inserts the wii's meme here uh jessica's length genesect learns its lesson carries the same energy as the infamous he said maria hitting it at martha lyon and batman vs superman uh i find it kind of silly that saying we're all friends just stops the conflict but it really just seems like the writers were creating conflict for no reason at times uh we saw some things about how mewtwo was created and mistreated so it's attitude towards humanity makes sense even though this one seems a bit kinder than the past mewtwo thinks it's safe to say they're different mewtwos but to my recollection we got a we had no flashbacks like that for the genesect i think we did but they were very like we get one subtle implicator we get one when mewtwo reads its mind to figure out what it is we see the fossils get digitized and

49:12 then it forms a genesect and then we see a tube open humans let it out beams hit and then that's it yeah so we don't get like uh a moment we don't we got like still frames of memories we don't get the like we don't get the like who am i yeah yeah we don't get that anything cool like that but implication and whatever uh meet you mewtwo just tells us what's up uh with them and i don't think they really work for me when it comes to their characters mewtwo has had a journey already it seems and learned essentially that humans and pokemon can coexist uh what could have been a really cool way of teaching that lesson [ __ ] facebook messenger keeps reloading uh teaching that lesson to the genesects just kind of falls flat in my opinion also kind of like kelio i think this movie has a problem with how it set up

49:58 its stakes it starts us up it starts out as a possible threat to new york city but then it kind of just loses momentum after they get uh after that gets averted did me two really need to be in this movie in my is my question uh i'm sure the film could have handled both mewtwo and shannasak but mewtwo's inclusion honestly just feels like a way to try to get people to watch this movie uh i can hear dante's spitting it could even just mega for no reason i agree like the mega stone was meant to say this in keldeo i don't know what the context would have been i feel like this was like we're working on the anime right now get another studio to animate and tell them what has to happen but no one mentioned mega stones like i guess it just changes so make it look cool and so whenever it is in space falling it is

50:44 the ugliest [ __ ] animation it does like upside down burst things like i'm like what the [ __ ] there's literally a point where it's tilting and falling back down and it's just like a frame of the burst this way a frame of the burst this way and then a frame pointing like almost straight down and i'm like that was ugly [Laughter] because because i lately honestly they do it the way they handle the transformation like it didn't like power scaling it didn't even feel like it was any stronger yeah like it's i think they did a good job of making this my mega is to make me faster um but that's it so so um no i'm not i'm not going to do it it was just to help bring god but i'm not going to do it so dragon ball z it was it was

51:29 it was going to be but i'll spare you i'll spare you from that [ __ ] kakarot web zoom i even said i was to now so like for like power scaling like when goku first went super saiyan if you think you felt the weight though because it's like like he couldn't fight frieza but then he transforms and then you felt the weight of that you felt nothing when like two just super slow motion steps in front destroys the blast and then reforms it's just like don't do it yeah so you know to add to your point and i know you're trying to finish on to

52:15 i just want to add to this really quick if the movie didn't market the mega evolution and you saw it for the first time in the film if the boxer didn't have the mega evolution in it and you didn't see it in the trailer when you would have seen it it would have lost your mind even if it was me too why right it's because the marketing showed us the big plot point so with dragon ball z for example if you knew goku was turning super saiyan you would have been oh okay but the first time i watched it i was in my underwear and i was running around the house getting everybody in my house who speak spanish don't know [ __ ] japanese that goku turns to for saying because that's how hype i was i didn't see it come even though dramas has been out for years i didn't see it coming i didn't know about it it's the same thing here because we knew about it they marketed the [ __ ] out of that thing the thing was [ __ ] ugly right can we agree that me too why it's talking to you

53:02 guys it's [ __ ] ugly you're marketing the ugliest [ __ ] pokemon you have at the time to me who like i love the original youtube so much and i think that was the problem because you saw it coming it's just that factor if they never happen and you're like oh no he's going to get defeated he's going to die and then he gets up and flies away comes back down i would have been like holy [ __ ] because every transformation anime does this where like you don't know it's gonna happen and then transformation happens and you're like [ __ ] where i didn't just [ __ ] on its transformation frames when it's out of combat when it does the sudden battle entrance transformations where time slows down and like everything's kind of 3d yes it looks cool like when uh red genocide gets bodied by that avalanche and he's like i can't

53:48 save that one and he grabs the other four i was like that's a cool i've seen yeah and then the only other scene like that is when they're all in that little like ending area and he goes to save ash and he's just like damn like not quite but almost ultra instinct sound [ __ ] um yes let's see dante uh genocide me she's inclusion honestly like there's a way to try to get people to watch this movie uh it can even just mega for no reason other than the rule of cool in conclusion it's not the worst thing we watch but it's not much better and then it gives me his placement of where he believes it goes

54:37 did anybody disagree on those movies i like them you like them but i don't think i like them much more than no no i was just asking has there ever been a movie where we all agree other than me probably the first movie for the longest time man no no everybody said it was bad oh said it was bad is there any movie other than youtube i think so that's a special probably not okay that's all i was watching uh as i look at it forever i think we were all pretty unanimous that it wasn't great i don't think any of us were like it deserves to be i think we all dropped our hands around the same i think we just said we all said it was the lowest at the time yeah comparatively then saying like i don't think anyone said this movie [ __ ] like black and white because my argument was that there's a second movie that was absolutely two returns yeah yeah because that was my argument probably two returns it would be

55:24 the oh for bad yeah um probably closest would be ranger because you all didn't like that one very much but you did i liked ranger because of water pokemon um so yeah i guess this means it's time to rank it but before we put our hands up you know i have to read the list starting from the bottom at number 16. it's going black and white number 15 youtube returns number 14 pokemon ranger temple to c number 13 pokemon 2000 number 12 pokemon forever number 11 jirachi [ __ ] maker number 10 hirom and the sort of versus the sort of justice my apologies uh pokemon number nine pokemon lucar the mystery of mu number eight pokemon three sweaty unknown number seven pokemon heroes number six zoroark master revolutions number five rc's jewel of life number four pokemon first movie number three gear tina and the sky warrior number two destiny deoxys and number one

56:09 pokemon rise of dark white uh dark dark water why uh why does anyone not have a solid feeling of where they think this really belongs i personally think between mine forever and wishmaker okay i am fine if it goes a little bit higher than that but not much i'm gonna get a little controversial i think it should be like the new 14. i because like in the content like like there's like all the movies that that that are above that i would prefer to watch over this one that is controversial an aspect of i hated ranger with a passion and i want to put this higher well this would be he's saying it

56:55 should move ranger down no that's what i'm saying um i hated ranger and i and i don't like 2000 or forever so i want to put it between jirachi and forever so i'll agree with you can i yeah part of me wants to put it a little bit higher music i wanted his number four guys i personally put it right above kiro um i think it's better than i don't even think that's a bad place really but i i want to put it below lucario as well i would rather go back and watch jarachi for things i missed than that sure it's tough now to be like i'd rather go back because when it's 26 movies i'm like maybe i'm in the mood to watch over this but like so here is here is mine where i i think that this movie is better written than black and white

57:41 all the way through forever i think it is it is better laid out in written than most of those movies fair um i would personally enjoy watching jirachi more because i think that for the most part it's not a bad story i just think it's laid out poorly okay see uh bus trip park doesn't have a bus trip it does not part of me one drought once a knockdown about that bus trip i hated that [ __ ] um part of me because i like this mode that i like spelled don't know but by me saying that i'm saying that this move belongs in the eighth spot which is [ __ ] insane yeah yeah but i do if i had to look at it and place it and go like oh black and white me to return and all of them i will stop at spells unknown so that's like that and it's weird

58:28 because i would like to stop at jirachi but when i look at the next three movies i'm like ah you know what i mean it's tough yes if i for my boat i'll stop between jirachi and forever but in reality i want to stop by spell though no but then i'll be putting this just keep that in mind for your personal list yeah i already have it written down once i'm only writing down as i'm watching them though i'm not writing anything that we haven't reviewed yet yeah yeah let's uh hands up everybody i'm gonna try and like pay attention to numbers as i read and and control two hands so i got myself and dante so uh we'll start we'll start with mutual so does it go above mewtwo returns so right between ranger and youtube does it go above ranger i'm sorry i [ __ ] up it goes just above

59:13 mewtwo for dante god damn dante put it right beneath ranger i was i mean that's right around that's right around where chris said but it's probably because he's thinking the same way that we are where like when you look at the next movies it's like do i want to i don't like this movie but is it worse than this i really i really don't like ranger yes in here okay above forever yes uh above jirachi okay well i guess realistically we would have stopped when chris dropped his hand because it would have just been the two of us it would have been three to five three it was the two of you at me right but when did chris drop his hand i dropped it before

1:00:00 before uh when he said does it go above pokemon 2000 i said no right so it would stop that you still would have been three hands up out of five that was me oh gosh i got you gotcha and then you guys just dropped i put it above kyrah okay you guys ended above it is the new 12 or below it is the new 12. yeah so we go right here oh that's a good way of doing the voting danny what's up just letting us pick each where we think uh it belongs based on the number yeah i think that might be because if two numbers match or the closer they are it's weird because legend awakens when i look at this list and the legend awakens is what it says is there a movie that's unnecessarily high for you guys like every time you look at it you're like how the [ __ ] is this movie

1:00:47 when you vote sorry yeah 100 i i'm still confused and i'm kind of like looking at the list it kind of irks me that it's higher do you prefer the cardio or sort they're they're the same to me yeah like like lucario didn't do it for me and zoroark like my main problem with that is just a bad guy like the villain just he i'm still trying to figure out his motive for me it's destiny theox's it's good but i don't know if it's number two you're crazy i prefer three in heroes over zorro i would drop i would drop destiny deoxys two spaces which will still be in the top five my base is in the top five i like zoroark where it's at i like it more than lucario because i think it handles the legendary legendary trio that it adds significantly better than the cardio

1:01:32 does um you're getting a whole different cup of worms you're referring to heroes everything else that doesn't have the same uh steps and mechanics to it but um i i i like our top five i i would i agree with the top five where we're at right now the top five is solving john's just saying he would move justin bieber i used top five but it would be number four yeah i i cuz i personally feel like the only time time there's gonna be like a round table discussion where like everybody has to be like strongly in their places if something is about to break top five yeah like if something's in that that's pretty bold so my top five is very similar but it has rcs or not actually yes it has uh the placement of destiny is swapped

1:02:18 destiny's still my top five so my top five matches what we have here is just the orders yeah as i look forward i see in my head three movies that might jump in that top frame my my biggest fear is that we've been hyping up hoopa since like i've been there i've been there i did that with the trilogy and i told danny every shoe as we got closer i'm like what if darker it's not as good as i remember because i remember that movie so i remember being excited like i remember being almost an adult like [ __ ] like teenager if not no i guess if this came out in 2013 we would have been in college just starting yeah so yeah genesect yeah

1:03:04 so like middle of college i remember hoopa being on like cartoon network and i was like babysitting my cousin and i was just like sitting there like eating a snack and i was like i haven't watched a pokemon movie in a while and then like two legendaries are there and i just see like this [ __ ] and it like gets yanked and i'm like yeah what the [ __ ] and then i see it just like boom in the ocean second boom in the ocean and then just [ __ ] like scream and i'm like yo over hyping the trilogy and then as we got closer the anxiety i got like after seeing how bad they're gonna come but seeing how you guys are cutting things down like there's something dealing with us making fun of him for you yeah like he's like i can't do it again so my biggest fear was literally we're getting to gen 4.

1:03:49 it's it's what if i over hyped in four movies right now and then i didn't want to watch him before this yeah because i wanted to like prepare myself for this right so the whole time like i overhyped this that like like every week i come here and talk about can't wait till we get a dark ride it's just as good and your team is just as good and then i'm thinking to myself

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