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0:00 [Music] so what's up everybody welcome back to pokemon go to watch them all the podcasts we watch all the pokemon movies we talk about the things we love the things we hate and then we rank them in a beautiful list thank you thank you peanut gallery i appreciate you as per usual i have a disabled crew i've got

0:47 dante can i chris and jonathan [ __ ] hanging out again for another great review if you have wheels oh i'm so excited for the same earth same same oyster [Music] two types of men i want us to go through do you ever see like the smash or they go through the smash roster and they're like it's mario where they go like murrah and like they do that i wanna just feel like that but it's like the same oif uh the earth will turn to ash it's the moon

1:33 it's the movies they're all named after the memes yeah that's the yeah perfect anyway on this episode we are reviewing pokemon mewtwo strikes back i love it evolution who's a menace that's it this is a mess and i love it yeah it was like when you started redoing it i was like speaking of messes good segue making a mess movie pokemon mewtwo strikes back evolution that's right before we talk about our personal opinions let me head on over to the pokemon website and read the synopsis for this movie is the same as the first movie it is not this one clarifies it is a re-imagination of the person barely the first cgi animated pokemon movie has arrived pokemon mewtwo strikes back

2:18 hyphen evolution is a reimagining of pokemon the first movie which was originally released in north america in 1999. whether you've loved pokemon since that movie's premiere or you're a more recent fan this is a fun way to take a modern look at ash and pikachu's original big screen adventure when researchers discover and exploit a fossil of the mythical pokemon meal they unleash a creation that goes against the very laws of nature mew2 a legendary pokemon intended for use as a tool of destruction but as mewtwo becomes aware of its own dubious origin it begins to resent its human creators and seeks revenge and ash pikachu and their friends okay i thought it was a type of fiends yeah that's what i thought it said did i put the r um dana becomes an anime antagonist find themselves at the center of its

3:04 rampage with the future of the pokemon world at stake will our heroes be able to yes be able to overcome mewtwo's challenge and will mewtwo be able to find a new meaning for its life uh and then my document literally goes into the rankings i have nothing to like no notes for this movie so it's kind of going in because first yeah absolutely that was uh john i loved animation voice acting spot on uh good use of pokemon uh i love it i had a good message um are you just naming the things that you said about the first movie no i just i generally like somebody okay why if you guys want to rank it it's all okay so i [ __ ] hated this movie right so i was like i gotta keep the act up uh i wrote a bunch of things here yeah i'm

3:49 just gonna go one at a time and uh he's gonna cover uh i don't like the cgi because uh it's not the cgi it's just that everything looks plastic um when ash got turned into a rock he looks like a hunk of metal uh there's no texture on things which is weird so yes and no certain ones yeah you have some great texture um i know some of the watercolor can i make the point pikachu's very fuzzy yeah um can i make it worry about when some of them can get wet like they think that i think all in all the people are [ __ ] awful yeah and i think it's because you're turning a 2d anime character into that 3d space and it's just not there i'm just saying who whoever was was like it like the teeth like that bothered me the most the nostrils are my issue that's my issue

4:35 it's everything the thing is i think i would have liked this if there was more detail on things but i understand cgi and cosplay but even like we call it out like staryu like what they do they swim star you've got these scratches and the shiny metallic uh watermarks on its like face ring thing um sorry looks great i like looking at i paused like 19 times for sporto was good looking squirtle's [ __ ] adorable we talked about my favorite [ __ ] sky meatloaf pidgeotto pidgeot or whatever he is so chunky in this movie he's such a dense [ __ ] bird it's just like everything felt shiny and plastic and like when you compared to the original which we're going to do a lot today yeah because we have first of all that's what this pretty much is the first one felt dark

5:20 and like gritty and this felt very like the opposite of that yeah so i think this movie was rated by the way why did you bring that up what it was y7 and then the first thing is fear really yes what what it's fear and like mild violence as it for its ratings sounds like fear maybe i could understand that and then the entire time watching a movie i'm just like maybe for a kid but like none of this is being presented as dark really is it because mewtwo's whole thing at the beginning where he's just like slaughtering which is the entire thing about the first movie that when we watched it i was like he's straight up just kills people but

6:06 yeah it because like i remember like back in the original like i made the comment like i'm like so is giovanni dead because he had like no time to escape and when you two just explained that's that's it i think i feel like universe so it's possible i feel like i feel like in this movie it's even less plausible because he was still right there and he was exploding i was like like with ash like later when he like lifts him up psychically and then throws him he's going to split him on this building he was the only thing that saved him i think even the force of being caught wouldn't kill that speaking of horses oh yeah so i had one super big issue with this movie uh like like glaring and it's every time something gets sent flying or every time something is about to make a really heavy impact it like it goes like

6:52 yeah that's right and like it's just like packs like one exception is the time ash hits that [ __ ] bubble and it like maintains momentum and he's like boom and i was like okay but like there's literally a point where he hits a building and i was like cue the squeaky hammers and the other one you liked was what uh when you hit you two into the steps yes yeah yeah when when you like [ __ ] shoots mewtwo into like the floor that's a good one um but like all of the other ones it's like it's like this [ __ ] huge like meteor about to just like impact a wall and it's just like yep and it turns like a golf clap in there does that any of you guys watch the original before this just not written out like the first time yeah but weirdly enough i feel like i just watched the first yeah even though i haven't in a while i did it just just because i didn't i didn't feel like once

7:38 instead of being i feel like the differences so i was gonna see if i can tell i didn't write any of them down but i saw them uh there's no dub for i never watched a dove for the original one or sorry i never watched the sub so i watched i watched it in english this one i watched in english because i couldn't find the the sub so the lip syncing was so [ __ ] bad it is it's not something i will say i will excuse as much as i understand where in 2d so in anime traditional the typical process is taking the what would be the dub of the japanese version for them bring it to the us and they cut the from yeah and they just change when it opens and closes based on the english line

8:23 whereas in the us you could do that but in 3d going is far more jarring than seeing a 2d character do that and also a lot more effort because it's a 3d space not just an illustrated background with a 2d character on the front so if you cut that and cycle a mouthflip if like a furo flies by like you know and yeah it's going to look weird but hear me it is jarring yeah it was it was really weird you just robot chickened it yeah 2d mouths i mean we've seen pokemon robot chicken skit so i mean yeah yeah just higher uh what's his name does it write to pokemon movies uh i put mewtwo felt more sinister stronger and dangerous than the original

9:09 yes uh this one who felt blindly complain he basically had two lines which were who am i and why am i doing here so it's basically shelter hedgehog his actual like this movie yeah his actual like fight he he seemed scarier in the original but like all the effects he calls on the world are way scarier than this like seeing the [ __ ] like huge waves consume barack yeah that was a huge fight we pointed out the storm yeah there is so there's just like this thick low layer of clouds with this huge like funneling tunnel up above the thing and which then you just hear the calms like i love like like just like that cinematography there was just spot-on it's

9:57 it's weirdly good in weird spots and bad in like the really important ones yep i think it has a similar obviously similar yeah it's like power of us where there's some great visual things about that movie that aren't the people i think there's no outstanding pokemon i'm like that looks awful in 3d there's something that doesn't look great there aren't i don't think this can't look dread like dreadful uh i don't think there's a human in this movie that i think looks great um yeah i agree um the one of the only ones that i i could yeah yeah yeah 3d 3d jesse hit differently out of the main trio brock was easily the best yes i don't think team rock i personally also thought james looked good i think team rocket looked good and i thought jenny looked good and nobody but nobody else and

10:44 surprisingly the main three who should look the best the doors looked the worst yeah well he you guys brought brock that's like well he has less detail exactly than the other ones and i think that's what worked for him rocky the better of the three but there's still something there to me there was something weird which about barack first like the original three look the worst to you movie-wise yeah no sorry of of like the the main characters brock missy or rasheed yeah which is the worst yeah that's rough to me i think i would say ash but there were moments that misty looked really bad misty's looked horrible to me every single scene she was in her eyes are so thin that like when they move you can barely tell and like her mouth is so [ __ ] small it looks like they took it and like reduced

11:31 the size like a meme yeah she's like it looks like she's trying to drink through a straw every time i would say ash just because he popped up more but no i do recognize that you just have like the reason ash also looks bad for me is because we went from seeing him in the new style from like power us which i think the animation is so [ __ ] good and then like a lola's animation which they cartoonified him but it worked and then seeing this weird cgi we should we never seen him like this before it did not feel like the other two because i haven't seen them as much in years i was like oh okay that's fine but ash who i'm used to seeing like the

12:16 anime and movies it's like okay and that's me that's why ash was the worst one because like we know what he's supposed to look like and this is not it it just felt so out of place i think the idea of cgi is good i don't know why it felt like it was a mess here and i hope they don't do it again like this but i don't know if there's like a better way of doing it and they just didn't do it i would love to see more cg movies if they are mystery dungeon if they are what's another pokemon spin on uh i'll be okay with ranger because it's gonna be more pokemon than human yeah i basically i want ones with as little human as possible the war so i always wanted pokemon movies like that i always wanted pokemon movies that were about like i never know

13:02 i didn't do something with survivor and sangus they could have done like a movie with just that lower line and i will love a movie where the pokemon or the conflict and the pokemon are the solution and there's no humans mystery done pokemon island the giant the look of this movie is so jarring to me because like you bring up with the pokemon look great and there's also like a familiarity to it to some degree like i'm not sure if it's stadium or the card game promos that are like make me think oh i've seen both i've seen the pokemon in this style before so it works so in the cards they do a lot of cgi because they use models from the games like that are not rendered yet and then they put them into the cards because they can just grab the models like move

13:48 them however they want to and there's a oh about the cannon and made a [ __ ] double kick okay but uh they use a lot of them in the games and into the cards because i used to wonder like why does this car look this way i remember looking it up and watching a video on basically like when pokemon stadium came out before they render or whatever it is i can't remember what the word was they'll use that for the pokemon cards and i was like that's an easy because there's actually there's a long process for art for the pokemon and usually you have four to five artists that work on it and usually that artist's name is on the card somewhere um i haven't played in years i don't know where they put it but one of the artists is it's usually a developer who grabs the model shapes it and puts it in a nice background

14:33 that's the first thing i thought off when i watch this movie uh because i have a binder i have a pokedex cards basically and like i opened the binder the first thing i saw was one of the cgi pony tests that i had which it felt it had the same energy essentially dragging it like great that's good um i brought this up when we watched it uh but any pokemon that flies or hovers benefits hella from this movie yeah because you can really see the 3d movement there's a scene where they flipped the table and i was like that looked incredibly good for how bad the rest of everything around it was so you know what it i think it is and danny you said right there's no pokemon looks bad in 3d

15:19 uh and you said there's no atrocious one i actually don't think there's any that look bad okay because when i play pokemon uh the picture exists for a day every single pokemon in that game looks beautiful to me even the ones that i don't like uh i can't use that if you have to tell me what's the worst with the pokemon gonna tell you i think everybody looks good i think pokemons look good in 3d it's paper pictures they're humans they didn't capture what humans are and i think about that because like we've seen 3d like i remember playing staff i can't think in detail what that facial structure looks like and it's also a little more flat because it's still kind of a 3d character in front of a 2d background right

16:06 yeah even like professor whoever in snap and todd spoilers todd shows up after like five missions um but you see these characters and they look good yeah and i don't know why they couldn't translate that to the people like yeah it's just the fact that someone okay then yeah these look fine now do you think down humans don't have nostrils right their eyes feel like they're proportionately separated on the face um and that all that should come down to 2d assets on 3d right they do that a lot i think that's what they do the particles the labyrinth the straight up lapras sticker on the side of the building at the end of the movie yeah they just they're like [ __ ] we forgot to put an image on someone went in took the texture map for that

16:52 building and said lapras stole the super mario ladders png yeah could it be that because the director did the thing where he lowered the quality of the humans made him cartoony but the pokemon look phenomenal could it be that they tried doing this here and then they put more focus on the pokemon then at least if they tried doing that because they missed them but yeah they missed the mark that's how i was trying the weird thing is like i feel like the lighting and the direction of the pokemon are actually going more for our realism but then the characters are cartoony so you then you do get into a realm where the characters don't feel like they're meshing because they're trying to emulate the anime and they're not emulating what the movie is going

17:39 for i don't know so yeah 18 or 19. because it took him almost 20 years to learn what an alakazam is so uh there's a there's a dragon quest movie that was cgi recently called uh my story i think drank what's my story um that movie is very beautiful and i recently just watched it and i watched this and like i wish you guys have seen this so you can see what i'm going to say but i've seen monster university uh they basically there's i mean it's not pokemon but they deal with monsters that are pokemon like universities uh they have uh they have humans and they have monsters constantly interacting and i never saw any of the problems that i see in this movie i like to think that the pokemon company has way more money at this point it's the most profitable

18:25 ip in the world i like to think they have more money than the drawing question lead which only took three years to make we say that but then we still keep getting games that feel incomplete so yeah but what i was gonna say is like i'll show you guys a picture i don't know if you'll be able to show it in here because i don't use it let's see what happens uh yeah there's a there's a picture or a send danny picture but like if you look at the main character he has like a saber cup which is like a lion a tiger and then he has a slime and you can see the detail on both of them and never once just it's the human compromise or the background and that when you're in a cave it actually feels like you're in a cave there's no shininess but the whole mobile is also cgi and that's what i'm using as kind of like the measuring stick for cgi because

19:10 apart from like a small battle the anime uses cgi for the battles but it's usually like greninja is using more shuriken let's do a spirit bomb and like throw it and then it cuts and goes back to normal i'm using dragon quest as a like the bar and i don't understand how this can do it but these people have more money and they should have killed it i think it's because it's like one of those things and i'm and i'm noticing this like a lot more think of like with more of like the like main like head like nintendo properties is they know it's going to sell it so they don't have to try as hard especially they know people are going to watch it because because it's the name and especially with like like the first movie has like a special place in like everybody's heart that grew up with it yeah that that we're going to watch it regardless and they

19:57 know that so they're probably not looking at in terms of like well we have to try to get people watching watching this like using dragon quest as an example pokemon is more ahead like it has like more followers to it so they so they don't have to try as hard then yeah than the dragon ball that's exactly what it is and it's really unfortunate because there's a lot more things that suffer from the because then like everything just feels stale you and not not not unique and like a better example like monster hunter stories too is it feels so much better than pokemon and i keep thinking like is it because it's fresh and new and different and then like at first i believed it but i'm like but for through actual gameplay i'm

20:42 enjoying this more than i have with any pokemon game that's come out recently hey well i had the same experience with both this and temtem where yeah 1010 feels leaks ahead of pokemon and i know it's not because pokemon is very popular i grew up with it but i find myself playing i play 10 times at least once a week and it's not just the story it's the attempts themselves to stop the characters the way they look everything just feels like there's effort put into it compared to like sword shield where yeah how passive sex animation that's uh how could cause like i think i like i really like to believe like they just bring out boards they spin it and then like like the lead director is just like sitting back they're not even caring like he's

21:27 just like chucking dog pokemon go big and they just say all right pokemon um a rival who discovers he doesn't exactly want to be a rival um he's gonna know the actual champ he's the rival now yeah um yeah i know that looks like a pretty good story uh have fun yeah i do agree that like essentially they're not trying and that's what we felt about yeah um aside from visuals that i think visual is kind of cut and dry so i did a nomenclature on this back when the movie dropped um and i did there was a lot of dialogue changes and uh they tell the exact same story worse in this new movie oh yeah yeah the viking joke the viking joke no

22:14 my brother did i miss that or is there no money there's no my birthday okay so i got to use the bathroom and i was like 15 seconds and i'm like there's no way that the song was done yes nope the all the things and i'm assuming when it came to the music it was some copyrighting issue there were some remember the first one we still owned by right there is some like pokemon music that's like this is a pokemon song that was just not used in the movie and i don't know how tied that is to the initial but like i'll be jumping around a bit but like there's the part where ash clones are all out mewtwo's like no i'm gonna take my pokemon we're gonna fly away we're gonna destroy the whole world and we'll start new and ash like breaks to the wall and says i won't let you it's like dun dun dun no there's a drone

23:00 yeah and and this is just like it's not even nice like something orchestrated which yeah which was weird to me because i was like i just remember the in the original they're being like generic drums yeah i don't know why they couldn't replicate like a march type of sound no you know what they had to do which one to use are which are yours uh as i will say that my brother does hit an emotional level 100 so watching that one first and then instantly playing dog on right away uh it's night and day yeah it's that scene to me is what made the first one like that was one of the most if i didn't play that movie i would still remember the my brothers yeah and i think that that was one of the most emotional parts of the first time i think the thing they did what my brother

23:47 did for that movie was saying hey the fight that's happening with evolution the music that plays there is very background you don't really notice it and i don't think you're meant to but that makes it seem like finally we're at that climactic fight that i'm supposed to want to see in this movie when that's not the point where my brother my brother says hey this is when everybody [ __ ] up and they're you're not understanding that you shouldn't be doing this and like we're all same earth same air same sky which is no line they don't use this movie why they want to look at the moon too they might i i generally believe that the uh no i do think the missile is stating my own like more than just the music the likeliness of youtube yeah i think they might own a lot more because there's that line i think that line is

24:32 pretty freaking iconic for that movie because it's meowth that along with the mewtwo dialogue at the end which i think is fairly it's not copy paste it's really similar yeah it felt botched that speech would be too difficult right i think that's mostly because of the things that were happening around it sure it made it seem less important and there was also a line that they added before that i was just like huh like they talk a lot about um also but we're both living which doesn't sit right with me this movie was being produced at the same time that coco also being produced so they might also split teams because game freaks this is not game freak but i'm just saying game

25:17 freak has a staff of like four employees and they put three here one here so like uh i imagine that producing two movies i never done that but we do videos and you know that when you work on two videos at the same time you're not giving them equal attention i like to think that that plays a factor here i think yeah i think if it did i wish it i wish they didn't do it that way and i understand how production works it just it there's hey i'm a youtuber who's trying to grow and i'm working on two kind of big videos versus hi i'm pokemon i have a small team that's that's permission and if it's true that shouldn't be true there's no reason pokemon should have a small team exactly and there's no reason they should twelve employees there's no

26:03 reason they should hey you guys have time to animate this you know yeah nice and simple we have to have me i alone have probably given pokemon at with my family my brother me getting like every both copies of every game my brother getting me buying version one beating it then going to buy version two and there's a lot of people that do that there's a lot of people just buy both out of the gate i buy both i bought sword and shield i'm going to buy diamond and pearl remakes out of the gate both of them i just i'm addicted to pokemon as is most of the fan base if they don't buy just one they buy both exactly see the show diamond squirtle but um yeah i did not see that yeah is today the first time you brought him yes okay i was going to say bull whistle

26:49 no i know supreme want the fuzzy cabbage i want one did it happen they shouldn't pokemon shouldn't have to suffer from this and i think this is also our fault as fans who are like everything take my money anyway but i i completely agree on that um on the whole take my money that sucks because in wrestling that happens a lot where people are like this sucks i'm going to stop watching and then the following week they keep watching the shows yeah their shows get crap i realize what corners every week like i have friends that watch monday night raw every fri

27:34 every monday and they complain about how much it is every friday yeah because the further at that point gets really shitty when what like there's been like a stigmatism for like a while that like the pay-per-views have just been sucking absolute cheeks but people still pay for it yeah they're paying 60 uh some people use peacock tv which is like nine dollars but people actually play for the hd which is 60 to 80 but then they watch it and they complain about it but they keep buying so wwe just goes like oh here's this match that happens like four times in the last month you're gonna watch it anyways uh and that's what pokemon feels like they do a lot um so yeah i said it's a fault so i have like a list and i could go through all these notes just from an old video but there's some pretty important lines

28:21 that i think they change which i don't they don't ruin the movie but i think stacked on stack on stack they do um so like out of the gate when youtube blows up the lab like the scientists in the first movie like he's backed up against the law and he's just like we set out to build the world's strongest pokemon and we succeeded in this one he's just like we set out to build the strongest pokemon boom like it's very like i know i noticed that yeah that the whole succeeded thing is is was very necessary yeah because that was like that was the trigger that says [ __ ] we did what we needed to do but damn did it screw us over because now i'm about to die um like that and we succeeded just

29:07 nailed it like yep we made the strongest pokemon we sure did that maybe maybe we shouldn't have and it's something i had a conversation with with someone close to me about it was the impact of words and phrases completely can change the mood yeah and like it's probably because like we're like so used to like those moments and those words and like how like impactful they are that it's like like you changing one or two that can completely diffuse like the meaning the context and and the magnitude of what's happening and that's exactly what happens here they changed a few things i mean it doesn't hit the same at all yeah because sometimes those changes like a character's like diction

29:52 during that sentence is the reason why it's the reason why something's like kind of like in parts korean the way david jones talked if he didn't do the little at the end of certain sentences and have the little water spit i feel like if it was just he talked about hey what's up jack how's it going i don't think it would have hit the same but changing a word can entirely change the character going with that my i guess one of my bigger issues with this movie is that it's a re-imagination but there's a lot in this movie that just seems kind of like shot for shot the same as the the first movie yeah and i'm not sure if this is unfair to think about but i i think of like some of the games that we got recently that are remakes that i really enjoy like resident evil 2 remake final

30:38 fantasy 7 remake which are reimaginations of what they originally were so good and there's stuff that happens i guess in the same chronological order to a degree but there's also a lot of liberties taken with those particular games and then i compare it to like something that happens in this movie one of my biggest issues with it is the fact that okay it's the first movie but if it's a reimagination there's so much content that you can use now why are there no other pokemon in here why do you even mention wingold if we don't have anything past the first that's my last point yeah that i have done that's the first game like because they did i choose you yeah i don't think that that would have ruined this movie at all like maybe what they did before people had but even adding some sprinklings of the other

31:24 other generations in there and then not it the story is pretty much beat for beat the same and because it's so so close to the original we really noticed some of those things that stick out yeah that are missing like with the because then i choose you was also a reimagine but it was done right it wasn't just a key word yeah right and uh it's done by the same director which had the same writer group so where's the disconnect of we're gonna add entei we're gonna add more shadow we're gonna add all these pokemon i'd love to see what rules come in all nostalgia the only thing that they did the only thing that they changed that i was like okay that makes sense is that the one uh the trainer in the beginning doesn't have a goal or yes so golem is now a drowsy so the

32:10 logic of pikachu can't thunder shot thunderbolt whatever a golem uh that's gone there are a few changes like that like again the and that's i consider that life change which is correct it's just a scyther yeah yeah um i do i do wish that like even if they just changed the starters like it would have been cool to see the person who had a blast toys have a swampert because it wouldn't be too different just change the name oh shelter uh it would have been cool to see like a torterra instead of a venusaur yeah and then for charizard like it would have been cool to see like uh yeah yeah infernape or personally i think if you're gonna go if you're gonna aim for like closer uh probably the closest thing to charizard in my mind is either typhlosion or um incineroar just because they they are it

32:57 would have been fresh right they're more known for like those big fire blasts uh i guess you could do del fox i didn't see del fox in the anime but since would have worked because uh at the lower front center artist that he doesn't listen to his trainer unless a historian is worthy or b the pulsing pokemon is strong enough most incentives just walked away and mewtwo looks like a pokemon that incentive will want to fight and at being a reimagined they could have had a fight of these pokemon fighting because like it's hard to see how it's a reimagine when it's a shotgun shot yeah essentially yeah i think at that point i would if it's if we're going to change the pokemon not necessarily the whole thing to change me i the identical like this this does look nice

33:43 seeing the 3d pokemon center and seeing electabuzz shown in the background that was cool bell sprout who's just vibing like it was really cute i enjoyed those moments now just imagine that like the buzz is an elective that'd be great yeah that'd be great i think that those are the moments i don't think you need to change our teams or any of the three trainers that make it to new island yeah i don't think you can change any of that stuff um dragonite was great but even like that's a character that you could probably we could have made dragons not a flygon we could have made a silence we could have made it uh hatchery jumped into the ocean and just like it would be kind of cool to just see garchomp like jump out and just glide over the water or something and that's i know he doesn't fly but you know he does fly does he fly fly but he kind of wait what's the dragon that flew on a

34:28 level flygon that's what actually i think i almost said there's probably a guard channel i don't know but even the pokemon center if it was elective ira instead if the bell sprout was a blossom if and that's why i'm confused because in nitrousu they took the liberty and cinderella more shadow and i think that same director same writers it makes no sense where the disconnect is even if because the stories that reimagined they didn't have to go like they could have created mewtwo and then gone a different route like he never blew up the thing they used them for evil and organization had him like they had the liberty to reimagine the whole world and they just reimagined a couple runs and to me that just feels like pure laziness back to the uh the lines

35:15 that nobody liked i think they took a lot of jokes away from brock primarily like in the beginning with that first battle uh they have the whole thing of actually like i'm too weak to work but a pokemon battle doesn't work and brock's like yeah at least his mouth is still working instead brock has this strange thing i it's something about working hard with your pokemon is too tired to do something something something i don't know and then ash bodies the guy uh and brock's like guess his pokemon would retire or something it's like weirdly philosophical yeah it's something like that but it wasn't bad but i just i feel like the bit of brock being at least his mouth is still working felt more characteristic can also be because uh in

36:01 adventures ash is this great know-it-all all of a sudden he's like a pokemon expert could it be that they didn't want to have as many moments of ash kind of being called a dumbass or like something like that because i mean that's all brock and misty ever do is literally just roast ash all the time yeah so could it be that they remove all of that because they knew they were going into because if you're working on coco you knew you're working on gen eight yeah so could it be that were removing any way in which ash would be belittled since now he's this amazing great perfect trainer in the anime and knows everything that's the only thing that will make sense why it changes like that yeah yeah because i can going with that thought process i would assume so because like when we were growing up and we were kids

36:48 that was funny and people enjoyed that but nowadays like that's like bullying and that's like more like it's taken substantially more seriously than it was back then so now they're like they're paying more attention to like the media and they're trying to minimize the cases so that way it helps with that it's not ghosts i think it could be a cultural thing because there's a there's a couple things brock did in this movie that was just like they're probably trying to be sensitive to that because at least at least in the first movie i don't think it's as bad the original um but as brock kind of continues there are definitely some weird creeper-ish things about him yeah and that even still in this movie kind of come across as um like this movie hits on the female trainer which that doesn't happen in the first movie like the original first

37:33 movie but he comes in like oh you're you're right you're even your wiggly top but none of them are as beautiful as you and then they see this week right off in sunset yeah which i it was a fine bit it you know it didn't change the course of the movie but i guess it was funny um in that same like moment this is one i really hate maybe it's a personal thing when ash walks in and sees gyarados and he's just like wow i heard gyarados is really difficult to trade and the guy's like yeah but once you train it it's the most dependable pokemon like that felt like a natural conversation it's the atrocious pokemon yeah i was like wow that's the atrocious pokemon which felt like a very dory explorer moment of like these kids don't

38:19 know who this is but if we shoehorn in a conversation that's educational about pokemon they'll understand as if anyone needed to be explained what a gyarados is that's funny because in the original anime one of ash's goals is to have a gyarados and every time you get rid of ash becomes the pokedex yeah and he knows like when james kicked the [ __ ] out of his uh magikarp and a bunch of like gyarados come out and ash like whoa we gotta be careful and then to see him here go like calling him that when i'm you know yeah it's uh it's weird which it feels like like a weird thing to have ash say that and then gyarados is just still now wide open just chilling out not doing anything atrocious like you

39:06 know it's not because a shiny one and um johto created a lake of rage or anything you know that in context you know that was another thing they chopped up some shinies like they were black and white this movie ruined gareth a little bit for me because i don't know why but this is the first time i noticed that i was like oh gyarados is just a giant snake there's the point where he's crawling out of the uh the underground with ash and i actually saw him on the ground like wheeling about and i was like oh that seems strange that he's not like i've been seeing it i've been seeing him i've been seeing him float above ground for so long and it never occurred to me that he's just a giant snake um i think i think the big issue is they were trying to keep audience in mind because back in the day they needed to

39:51 give parents a reason to want to take their kids to this instead of wait for it to come out on tape yeah and they wanted to give a movie that was good for both people participating and then also make it good enough to purchase the tape later this is we can vibe off nostalgia and the parents will want to see it because of nostalgia and they'll show it to their kids because they want their kids to be interested in pokemon and which is another i don't want to say it's another like it's kind of our fault but it's not no it's not because like you you go on tick-tock or youtube it's like we gave our kids the pokemon challenge which started did they start you know like realistically they're probably not going to make them start on red green blue yellow they're probably going to be like oh that one's new i'm going to hate it they had the owl or the seal but yeah they they tried to play on our

40:39 nostalgia of just being like boom here's the movie that you all love and know from your childhood yeah show it to your kids so your kids buy your stuff like that is 100 what it feels like it feels like you're gonna watch it anyway so use this as a segway there's no way they break even i don't i don't think they broke evenly like straight to this one had a weird thing it wasn't straight it was in theaters in japan and then it went straight to netflix because uh i looked all the way so i'm sure netflix played a ton of money for pokemon i have the list at home that i'm going to send you in case we ever want to talk about in the last one of which movies broke even and which one's trip double yeah i didn't get this one because we haven't reviewed it yet but i'm very positive there's no way because cgi costs a lot of money i was reading about the drawing quest one and it took

41:25 three years which is three years is a short time as well for stuff like because despicable me was five years uh and then i recently found out that gene neutron episodes took two years to produce jesus christ yeah and uh that's why they don't rerun so much yeah yeah uh it's one of those things where like with how much cgi cost there's no like there's no tangible way that i think this i'd love to see the size of the team for that jimmy neutron that's interesting let me drink that yeah i was looking into when i swatched this i looked dragon quest because like i was very high on drag quest movie and then i looked up like and then it said fun fact and they gave me like have you ever watched the show uh reboot i remember it i watched it so i chose complete cgi it was the first ever show

42:11 to completely be cgi my college professor loved that [ __ ] i love that show i love it i remember being great i'm afraid to watch it now because i know it's not going to age well but uh between that and genie neutron they show like the length of how long it takes to do that and jimmy neutron was two years short circuit was like a year but the episodes were like 12 minutes long um okay what are some other differences um so like in terms of of box office so uh pokemon the first movie 172.7 million dollars that that's original first original first movie set number again 172.7 million usd okay oh it's so specifically here too

42:57 and then it sounds impressive in 2000s oh yeah yeah this wasn't serious this was the number one too so animated box office anime film that just popped off and now i think it's steven's life there is demonstration demon slayer was 500 million jesus yeah good for them the us but i i think sure but uh over in japan it did 2.9 uh 2.98 billion currency which translates to 27 million oh yeah so it definitely taints yeah it was 172 for the original 276 oh my god jesus christ so the new one

43:43 tanked yeah okay yeah i was gonna say there's no way that broke even because their most profitable movie were the first two gen two gen four and then uh hoopa no bull canyon or volcano who bought one of those two are the top three moles uh not counting the first one that it's not fair you know yeah right the first and best yeah it's interesting looking at this because the the two results aren't that don't have all the same information the budget for the first movie was 350 million japanese currency whatever the jpy specifically translates to um which is leagues so 35 million versus 2.9 billion of the revenue created the box office

44:30 revenue for the remake now is that both just numbers for just the release week or overall uh so it does not say it's just a quick because there's two there's two numbers that you normally get which is overall revenue yes you can't we can't use that but it won't be fair sure and then the release week it's completely different because uh the way you count revenue or box office hit is if if you spent 30 30 million and you get 10 million that's a success because you're going to make the rest in merch and dvd sales and all that kind of stuff but if you make a movie that cost like 15 million and you only made a million in box office that's that's a flop yes because mewtwo didn't have a box office released in the u.s yeah it shows

45:17 opening weekend was five million thanks uh 26 million in japan is what it grossed i wonder if this has a link to the first one because the movie came out in 2019 for the evolution so i think that could play into a lot of the fact that like this movie like it like their target audience was clearly people our age yeah it was not younger because i feel like if they like if that if that's really one of like the main disconnects was kids have a lot more generations of pokemon to choose from and odds are their favorite is not going to be a first gen yeah so if that's the only decks that's going to be available they're going to make my favorites not

46:02 in that i don't care yeah which they say window do you guys do you guys feel like this is a good direction for them to go to reimagine some of the movies if they're going to do it they have to make them better you have to make it worse but are you okay with that like right now after secret jungle they're like here's pokemon 2000 2022. if they do it in the similar style as i choose you i would 100 percent be okay with it i think like the world it's yeah like there's more pokemon from like the other generations because it makes it feel bigger the storytelling elements of i choose you with the cgi and police fixture humans so i feel like every movie after gen 3 did that where you have here's some genuine gen 2 gen 3 and up to their gen yeah and then you get to this one and this is the only one that has

46:49 something because you've engineered it's a big downgrade because again there's so many to use because even gender movies will have here's a pat trap but right next to it here's rita and here's like centre yeah and uh i feel like this is the first movie right is this the first movie to do that to just go back to origin uh i believe so yeah because every other movie has a mixture everything else has if not yeah not too many new ones and old ones because that's really just choose you that has that uh opportunity and the power of us as that well that's where we'll get to gen 7 but um yeah i think i should use the only one that has really the opportunity to go back and unless you want to count flashbacks and stuff in like uh like lucario like we went back and we see the the spread of onix stelix agaron

47:35 nidoking stuff like that but because i know usually the movies have a good mixture of like here's the popular like if it's a gen 4 movie it's like here's the popular pokemons from jen one two and three and then like but our main focus is for i swear to you the uh the same pokemon that you see in the first movie that are usually grouped up usually appear in a group in all the other movies as well like nidoran sandshrew vulpix like they all usually are in like one grouping yeah in every movie yeah their background their background character i want to see like you see those those videos that come out of like disney like recycling animation and then it's like blue in jungle book and then it's little john and robin hood i like to see just they copy paste like a little here's a clip of rattata and sandra eating a berry it's like you said

48:23 earlier it's like generic pokemon png dragon drop they don't even have them back to themselves they snag it off google and just like no uh i don't think yeah is there another movie that's iconic as the first that you can say oh don't remake this one because i don't think there's another one that's like a hit like this one i think there's movies they can remake but it's it's tough because i know we had first movie at the top for longest time and i don't think there's one that is iconic to the point where they would remake it like this spell don't know now with better like quality yeah that we have now we kick ass we'll kick it guys like and cgi those unknowns will look [ __ ] sick uh entertainment cgi they were cgi in three yeah well i meant like in this time sure a full scale yeah like i think it'll look better i think

49:08 that i think the crystals and [ __ ] foreign [ __ ] dope yeah i think that basically if they're not like blossom those around the building that whole field would look beautiful like this is not a death on that movie i just think that this style would be great for that movie i just imagine uh the little girl in that movie instead of having like a magical girl transformation it's just like body horror bone cracking [Music] himself um just moved three down his list i think uh that one and para one will benefit from a movie like this yeah

49:54 yeah i would love i would love to see powerpoint it's one of my favorites of all time and it's super low for us the final the power of one is two thousand two thousand yeah yeah yeah yeah that's not it it's so cool in 3d that's not a disc on those movies not at all like i know you like three i like three it's just not as high but i like all the moves that i'm watching except the the two uh gen five black and white yeah black one uh i like all the rhythm so when i say that i would like to see a cgi version i mean it more s and like i think that it will do better than the original just visually visually yeah that's what i mean so it's not a disc to like power one or sure spell noises just new technology you're making moves from 2000 versus the movie in 2021 yeah it should tell you better when i

50:39 think of like cgi like right away i went to those movies because it's like oh you know what the whole world looking like this will benefit the style of storytelling for those movies because those two movies have very unique storytelling 3d baby ninja queen there is one other moment that i felt stood out that aside from music or anything that i felt just felt kind of almost annoying to a degree um so after the fights where it's brew root versus venusaur shell shocker versus blastoise and then charizard charizard um what ash's charizard loses in the original movie that is just like this actually kind of goes hand in hand with pikachu at the end um when ash's charizard like loses and it stands back up and like gives that like broken like roar and then tumbles over they think i

51:26 felt better than in this movie charizard just stuck on like yeah like it was like a 15 20 second thing of him kind of like slightly screaming and then you're like i'm seepy and then fell over like that way too long also did that fight scene fill up sorry chris did that fight scene seem longer yes with the club okay so all the fights uh are choreographed with like an additional move like the intro i didn't like that i i normally i would love something like that but for his movies like come on like speed it up come on i actually enjoyed that they added a little more to the root and shell tracker fight but charizards felt like it lasted way longer than it should have yeah and it's mostly because it was the same choreography of charizard blasts and misses charizard

52:13 blast and this is charizard glass and misses thrown to the ground snap his long neck and that inside height train yeah you could say why do they buy charges they want you some fire blitz that's the craziest thing to me too okay so i'm gonna bring it sorry you brought that up venusaur uses energy ball which is a newer move and i'm like why hey why can't we include newer things into this movie window exist yeah uh you were swinging crazy because it's funny you brought up how late like when charizard stands i was just saying i'm sleepy now and he's gonna sleep because i thought the beginning like like like the opening introduction to them like he's like here's show shocker and they're like all again like super serious getting ready for this fight

53:00 charizard comes out he's just okay i'm here yeah so that was funny i don't think that should have continued when he was falling is he lost i agree with what you said i really really like when he comes out of the ball in this movie because he comes out he's like he's like playing like just i was like god damn he assessed the room and found the threat like anybody else how did they feel about seeing the flamethrower come up that bothered me well like the like ball of light in his neck i thought it was a choice yeah they did that choice they do it in 2d but in 2d it doesn't like stretch and have like a whole orb it's like and it's really strange because like in like in godzilla versus king kong one of

53:47 the best moments ever is seeing the charge up to the radioactive breath followed by the follow through i did not feel the same thing the anime with charmeleon were charmingly and the first time i think it was first or second time he used flight throw you see the little it going up and it was badass not here they completely it just felt it looked like he was gonna throw up versus like his neck swelling so nowhere in my mind that i think an attack was being used i was just i i enjoyed i personally enjoyed the light aspect of it i think seeing the expansions kind of it was strange i think if the neck could turn red the way it did just not with the adam's apple expansion yeah yeah if the whole neck swelled versus just that bubble because that's how i remember god god of war godzilla at least right kratos it's a lot scarier

54:35 like the thing about that is like you see them reacting in like other ways where like they're like they'll kind of like tense up and then they'll like ex like everything just expands and goes this i just will there's yeah it was very very unsettling also i know we talked about this earlier i haven't written down but i know you said that they don't have to change the pokemon they could have kept the same they could have but there's also a chance to use a lot of ashes like even if they wanted to stick to gen 1 like krabby snorlax toro like they could have it's a reimagine they could have kept char start and then use all the other ones well as far as the movie knows ash has four pokemon so one of her just add two extra you know it's extra you have to kind of create a purpose for yeah just throwing snorlax and we'll say tauros on the team

55:21 yeah well it was like 500. that was really nice just having a lot of money chopping them up um but along with the charizard fighting thing pikachu's like fight for ash turning into stone slash metal at the end um would you guys think like original versus so the crying for pikachu in this movie was better not the sound but the the visual the visual is way better than the tears because i just watched the original one and that's something that right away i noticed like i like that but then as you see it going down and you see the metallic body i was like god damn it's like weird why can't i go a minute without being i like the cinematography of the scene i like that it's a sweeping shot i like that it's not clip clip clip clip clip i

56:07 like that it's like one continuous move uh i think it this scene is like much more uh accessible to do that like this animation style yeah yeah it's a lot easier to make a camera move in a 3d space right and draw yeah then draw all those different assets moving as smoothly as it could in 3d also if you change the size throughout this couple times yeah there's times where he's like long there's times where he's like a little this size and there's times where he's like three of them yeah i mean and i that didn't happen in the original either or any other media that i remember okay i don't know if that's like uh i giggle for a minute because i thought about when the shot was panning um and we came across the two him on leaf

56:52 fighting and you're like what are those stretching yeah yeah yeah it was like i i only had one major moment in the movie where i was like whoa whoa whoa take it back that's horrifying and danny's like what what and it goes back and there's just these two hip only and they're like kick kick stretchy leg like past his head and i was like dude it's just like i'm just saying if this don't read the manga because bruno's hitmonly jesus christ that there's like a moment where like he's flying at red and then he's just like arms and legs just expand all different directions and he's doing it to try to like wrap his arms around him because they're trying to legitimately kill him and then like his legs you see completely like unspiral to try to like kick him it's you know how sanji does

57:37 the hand thing where he his hand does the secret yeah he does say in the yeah and he takes down a bunch of like a bunch of pokemon like he uses his hands to spin and his legs are like dude but they're stretched out so he's taking down like so he's like upside down ribbon man that's like the best way to put it like it's horrifying because i was like i think as a kid i always thought what if hitmonlee did that and then seeing it i'm like okay i don't want to relive this ever again i found my answer and it's disgusting every pokemon that wasn't a starter evolution their battle consisted of smacking just slamming their chests together and i was like where's like the biting and like the the specialized movement where's what's happening there's something they bought they bite they bit each

58:22 other yeah my particular gripe with that scene is that it's really cool that we had the panning yeah also a lot of the animation was really janky in certain situations where it'd be it like like it is like stop start in certain situations like i remember the first one we had the squirtle fight it was like slap slap i mean they didn't they did more than the original and that was something we critiqued the original about too but we boiled it down to it it costs more to have them like fight 50 sets and stuff yeah and then personally i don't know if it's just because of coming off of brother my brother but like the crying scene while it looked really impressive it didn't hit me as much that's why i

59:08 completely and i'm not sure if it's just because of music or well we didn't have like music or the choice to not use it is so important in cinematography because in a movie that is heavily uh dependent on its music for its sense of tone if you take away that music that movie is probably awful and same thing like uh if you've ever seen the old country or no country for old men no country for old men has no music in it other than people who are physically playing instruments so there's no background tracks there's no underlying music and if you add it to that that it might make it seem more intense but it takes away from like this could just happen right like it makes it feel less real um and the the choice to not use the music is

59:54 good because of like the sadness so it's like this is real he's lost but then it's taken away by how dark and like plastic it looks like somebody 3d printed a black uh like laying flat ash and put it in that scene it doesn't look like he's been turned to like silver and is like there dying it looks like somebody took a replica bash and put it there and i think the goofiness of the aesthetics versus like the seriousness that they were aiming for in this reshoot i think they just clash way too much okay seriously got some other notes here i remember when i watched the first time i i mentioned while i was re-watching this and uh even like for my mom like she took me to

1:00:40 this movie in theaters like the original theater and she she remembers my brother like that was the song like i put the cd and i played that in the car like i know the song um and when i finished the movie like the first thing she had asked was like how was the song like did you like it was like wasn't there yeah and she's like they didn't put like the song like yeah she's like like she sang it like that song like nope yeah and she was like sounds like a bad movie i'm like intro remix wasn't as good yeah like they missed the mark on a lot of things with it i know you liked watching don fan ride on the vine that was cool that was some of the attacks and like the choreography for them are really cool like seeing versus versus a bulbasaur grabbing a spinning don fan and just like suplexing it watching it right up the vines the things that i think they took

1:01:28 liberty with that wasn't shopper shop it was going really cool so and i think they should have did that more in the movie uh energy ball [ __ ] used to sleep storm oh yeah well which they look weird right because usually when you didn't miss yeah it didn't miss because when i used it that messes but you know it's a perfect clone so when uh when they use those effects it's just leaves that come out and they shoot with like force but not they're like ninja stars like they're like three-sided shuriken and i was like what would it make more sense for a thematical pokemon like maybe sceptile but yeah and it i i don't like the clones in this movie because they focus really hard on the looks of shell shocker ashes charizard and fruit root but when you look at all the other ones it just looks like two regular ponytail fighting too right i

1:02:14 was gonna bring that up that that there was like a point like the clone fight that i was like how are the trainers gonna know which one is there yeah because even even in the original they're still very similar but a lot of them have the striping thematics and if they don't have the striping thematics they have like different shaped eyes or like something that's a little different well like like venusaur had like darker green specks on on him and around his eyes like same thing with like charizard and lastly i know pikachu's had like a little extra spike yeah like in the ears i couldn't tell you squirtle originally i was that was still that was still present with pikachu i honestly think in the original the uh aside from the starters as well they weren't the same aside from pikachu the only weird one for me is that in the new movie

1:03:00 i could differentiate psyduck yeah because one was very angry yeah which i think is original that's a good way to show like in this style uh if they could have done a lot of the pokemon and just show like pissed off like here's the pistol bulbasaur and here's the obviously did anybody else just hear other people doing impressions of all of the voices in this movie it didn't sound like a single one was an old casting of a character it sounded like they got new people who were close enough and they showed them the first movie and they're like do this voice there there's a there's a tone and familiarity to the

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