Pokemon: Gotta Watch Em All! | Pokemon Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction | Pokemon Movie Podcast

0:00 [Music] hey guys welcome to the pokemon got to watch them all the podcasts we watch all the pokemon movies the ones we love the ones we hate and we rank them in a list that was an awful intro but i'm gonna introduce my guests today i've got dante hi welcome back buddy i know i feel like

0:46 you've been dead for like no divorce but it got better so it's okay so he rolls back from the dead and fixing his body put some divorce divorce ointment on divorce yeah cleared up what was this that like what was the burden on his shoulders it's gone okay i was like he's not like this he's like i got a crisscross yeah yeah oh yeah because he was dead oh yeah he was all stanced up i'm on board i get it i get it you over explain to you you haven't over explained it don't worry about it there's there's no lack of over explaining on this show uh next i've got kanai dwarven lion that's me hello i have christopher underscore rvs tuicus hold up

1:31 and then uh john hey i was going to go above and beyond but i thought my funny not too it's mine anyway john thought his hat had magic power it was just a metal plate in a skull um but today we will be discussing the 18th movie uh jesus i was like i was like man that was a crazy 12th movie and danny's like the 18th movie and i was like yeah i guess we have to count them all as movies don't we yeah i think i have the numbers wrong now that i think about it because i think i have 26 on there but i think i kind of black and white separate so i think it's only 25. oh but we also added mewtwo but this time because i think i had it was 25. okay and then we added mewtwo so i made 26. include cocoa okay it should include coke i'll have to go back and count

2:16 again but like the ranking shows 26 empty spots but i think as i count the other day it should only come out to 25 so we'll see okay so danny's gonna get to the end of it he's gonna be like okay where did i [ __ ] up i need to i need a fan made pokemon movie so we're gonna be done we're gonna be doing the last one we're gonna be like hey guys we're finally done and then they're gonna announce a new movie yes i mean ideally it would be great to like all going to be voice actors in it look i wonder we're going to voice all the pokemon i want to play the pokemon dante gets to be every magikarp you got to be the tropius

3:03 same sky um but yeah so this week we watched diancie and the cocoon of destruction uh first gen six movie and double check it was right first sex movie because they have yeah cause we had that transitional like yeah um yeah i i i got one no that was like the best gen five movie yeah yeah which was genesect yeah yeah that's true i can agree with that one five they were not great get facts dog um yeah before we get started talking about our impressions i'm going to do us all a favor and read the basic movie synopsis off the pokemon website see if they just lie in the underground

3:48 diamond domain where many carbon glib the mythical pokemon diancie serves as ruler the heart diamond that sustains the land is beginning to fall apart and diancie is now is not yet strong enough uh to create a new one while seeking help from legendary pokemon zernias diancie encounters a group of thieves who want to take control of its diamond producing powers and who awaken the legendary pokemon evaltol from his cocoon in the process kenasha and his friends help diancie discover its true power stop yveltal's rampage and save the diamond domain is it weird to anybody to have a diamond pokemon after diamond absolutely so i kept getting i had to keep pausing it and then like re-centering myself because they kept going the heart diamond and i was like mixing heart gold

4:35 yes yeah i was like i was like no that's not the name of the game no a shining diamond heart okay when i play a game and i see a pokemon i'm like this pokemon should have came out on this channel yeah yeah i do that a lot when watching or playing games hundreds that's the perfect time to introduce dancing as a mythical yeah yeah although the thing is i guess it would be unbalanced because if we had like a gen 4 diancie reveal to be like diamond diancie like what what do we do where's the pearl like where yeah where's the pearl party yeah special what's your name you make like a weird spoilt combo with clam pearl or they make like a slow bro

5:22 because they just have two pearls it's just glam pearl with the pearl inside but when it opens the spring launches just like the bee lines that fall over someone's skull the original crammer exactly but it's a pig um just launches whole logs so uh dante you've been absent for a while what did you think of diancie it was all right it's good movie cool i was about to do my thank you for watching bit but someone will call me i think it's been better than what we've seen recently in the last few weeks yeah uh i do really like i i've noticed something with

6:08 and [ __ ] i guess spoiler we watched two at a time yeah yeah with with these two uh like i think that they both did a really good job of not leaving a whole lot of loose ends and i like that i think it's a nice detail to the movie um also the talking pokemon weren't annoying they felt like they had personality other than just like like squealing and [ __ ] directing people was pretty cool as well because the car like each of the carvings had like a different kind of style yeah and they also had names they did yeah which i i liked that they weren't just hey car bank and i had a different point however you were in the call when i when i started watching i was like i was like great three talking pokemon right off the bat and then as soon as they meet him it's like telepathy i'm like [ __ ]

6:56 uh and then yeah zernius and then i was like that's the future yeah yeah black and white if yeah and then uh keldeo and janice yeah and sir aurora garnett sarah sorry uh sorry zara that was the weird gen 4 into jet fighter i liked it yeah that was one of the like three transitional movies yeah yeah i like it we had dog bizarre i like this yeah yeah i like this way more than off the gen fives i also just immediately like

7:43 so after watching all those gen fives and watching this i had less criticism i was more like oh this is really fun this is really good yeah yeah because it has it has two of my favorite legendaries in it which is cernus and valentine's day since they're based on extracellular holy [ __ ] uh when we get there i need what i need to talk about this whole scene dude the end of this movie also comes first but gen six and gen eight have to be they have to be connected because they both use extracellular slower for both with their legendaries and other pokemon i'm just going to assume that the war that gen 6 talks about it's with gen 8. okay because it's the only other uh country or gen that deals with kingdoms okay all right and then now i'm talking back into the episode so yeah sorry chris

8:30 yeah chris would you think the movie i i i i think uh then this might be jumping a little bit ahead but i think placement i think it's like like like i'd say it's like above mid okay would you say it's like seven yeah right below genesis i don't know no i don't think so i don't think so like you did a lot for me like in terms of just like watching like it did like a lot to keep me like watching because like the stakes felt good for what they what they how they were presented the way it played out was was relatively well it was a lot better than some more of the other pokemon movies but yeah they're really not too much to complain about so i do did they ever explain why he's in a cocoon

9:15 i think they do briefly okay i i just remember like and and granted i was watching it at like a sped up rate yeah but like i'm sitting there watching and i'm like okay yeah dancing needs to go make the heart diamond and the ancients do this okay she can't make real diamonds they fade after a little bit so then like i was following everything and then they're just like uh you've also failed now he's cocoon and i was like so they both of the legendaries do that when once they come out and they use their all of their power okay they have to restore back too okay so that explains that it also turns into a [ __ ] yeah it turns into a tree right okay that makes a lot more sense because because it was like that in the uh games too okay right i think briefly afterwards they after they talk about the whole uh becoming a cocoon thing that uh clements says something along the lines of oh so that kind of

10:02 works with the circle life and death or they don't say death they can't say death they say destruction yeah we love life in really long sleepy times by the way i absolutely love this cast of side characters i i love the whole like clement invention [ __ ] i love that uh bonnie is it solely exists to be cute with cute pokemon will you marry my brother that threw me off for a second because i i still don't know anything about the side characters at this point because i have not watched i think this is like oh they actually have a female character doing the wooing yeah there's there's a this is the strong strongest maybe second strongest um in terms like compared to brock and misty um but i think clemens is the best because he's like i create inventions

10:47 yeah sometimes work and sometimes the extendo ladder yeah he's like i love ladders this is genius i was like oh my gosh i love how it ducks under a breeze only to come right back up i was like that's not how he shows the invention it either works or fails yeah whether it's dizzying like or yo this is awesome ash always goes science is so amazing like any time clinton does anything so watching the movie and hearing like science is so amazing okay that's right that's like the thing they do every episode which like serena was great because she she was there to help but she never at any point felt like she was trying to like take the spotlight from ash and my favorite companion it was it was so good compared to like iris who like anytime ash said anything she's like you're

11:33 stupid and then silence like actually he's not stupid she's like well he's still stupid because i said he was stupid you're such a kid yeah i hated it but i love the new cast side characters yeah serena's way like way like when we lost serena i went to all the pieces of shits that are in uh yeah i was not i was not having a blah blah blah he was ready to throw the baja punch i'm like who the [ __ ] is this like like that was the worst yeah i i did gain an appreciation for the den in this movie because he's just a little [ __ ] chicken nugget who's just there like any time i see the day it's not like the fat round like version that's in the game it's just like this hunched over like little gremlin with whiskers i think it's just like

12:21 that i just love it that's why i said i'm like more pickles yeah chicken nugget that's [Music] um yeah like i think see the basic plot is the ants he's like i got to save my kingdom my my i was i was in the world i was a little weird because they were like we need the power source i was like what are you powering like that that was like the only part where i was like why do you need that yeah it seemed more like on a basic level like if the gem breaks and dies our caves fall in our caves not shiny no more there was also i'm not sure if it was weird for anybody else and they did kind of cover it but to me

13:06 i was like why can't you show that before uh there was a weird lapse of time that we kind of missed and then diancie was running away from the car bank and we were like i was just like why yeah and then they explained it later i was like couldn't you have just shown that exactly yeah i definitely put a note of that because so they after like all right diancie you can't do it yet i need you to go figure out how to make the heart diamond by going to talk to desertious so her and like i the uh and then the two just like henchmen car bank that all go to look for xerneas fancy in the middle and like they're together title card and eventually the nancy is a low and then we come back to be like oh diancie woke up in the middle of the night and saw the city and wanted to explore

13:53 and then i guess that was like without saying it it was like the i don't want to be responsible i don't want to have to do the diamond thing i just want to go play in the shiny city and then when the carving find her and then chase her down hey we're here to protect her then they explained she ran away tonight it did seem like a weird because it's an amazing thing the the i guess the best way i can i can describe it it feels like they kind of took a couple notes from disney with how they handled their princesses and they applied it with diancy like like you see here at the beginning being playful playing tag and hide and seek and they're like you have a purpose you have to fulfill it this is what you have to do and she's like let's have some fun right now it felt better to know like when closer to the end of the movie when when

14:39 they have to finish and wrap it up when that moment hits i'm like it didn't happen like i think it just felt like really nice and sweet and it was like a good send-off yeah um yeah as like diancie gets in the city and she's just kind of like oh cool i want to see all the cool streets and signs and food and [ __ ] um she gets ambushed by two pretty cool looking trainers one with a really cool mod and one that's kind of fun i was waiting i am so fearful of the vote this time around because there's a very powerful player this time around in these next couple movies well maybe not the next ones but now that we're in gen 6 so i i literally chris like got done watching the movie the one thing he's like i know who danny's picking and i was like oh yeah it's gen six and

15:25 then i'm in a call with danny at one point i'm like better be nice to me and he's like i think i picked first on dancing and immediately i was just like playing hold on mind games i was like he's not even in this movie he's like yeah he isn't like no actually dude and like like i'm playing like he doesn't evolve yet not thinking like riot's got greninja don't talk about it because like i said i'm like okay there's brookie so i'm like that's danny's vote right now and then as soon as i saw the [ __ ] i'm like right there and i'm like oh my god but no no no now there's an interesting thing because because i could totally just i could take the overhyped frog good i can also kick you out of the shows multiple things that could happen there's something i have to talk about with these villains later because i actually really enjoyed them sure i i think these villains are cool so yeah

16:12 they show up and like for the first like two minutes you don't know like why exactly what diancie but mythical pokemon why wouldn't you and make some diamonds yeah and then they should quickly explain like oh we take the diamonds for money and the team rockets over the same thing um you have the weird father-daughter who you don't think is a villain at first yeah right because they're like fancy going like they basically millis and something argus steel yes and argus steel steel mill okay steel chest knot yes yeah um yeah i like these three villains i think they when i saw them they reminded me a lot of the three characters from darkrai the employee on infernape and torterra guys um obviously villains and

16:58 probably like 50 of the dialogue that those characters had um also their plot was just like fast forward at one point like we're bad guys [ __ ] marry me i absolutely i absolutely love that those villains in particular did not solely exist friday for diancie they were like we are established and we have done [ __ ] oh [ __ ] that's a diancie yeah that's important we can make a lot of money i liked that it wasn't [ __ ] uh mass marauder who was like i only want the little [ __ ] onion give me the onion like it was yeah yeah like it wasn't people who like spent their whole life thriving for this one thing and it was these people who have existed and like built their careers and other [ __ ] but then saw an opportunity i liked that

17:44 it was cool yeah but uh so they chased down diancie and like in the middle of this ash is having his like battle in the middle of the streets against like an absolute is this the first time ash gets his ass whooped in the beginning yes i think so i think actually mega right what's that did it go megan yes because they were like the mega absolute trainer they didn't like actually give it a name but like i think she looks she's alas i think she's the last one oh okay gen six like she looked familiar i didn't know she was an actual character but i know i've seen her art so yeah that makes sense she's just like the generic glass we see every route or whatever um but yeah she's just like mega absol beats the [ __ ] out of ash like i'll see ya and yeah she hits the road um but then that's when pikachu's like hey ash there's a [ __ ] diamond over there like being like her

18:31 pikachu knowing that there's a disaster somewhere in the city there's been another touch there's another time where uh pikachu has like that sixth sense eagle eagle vision where he's just like and like it goes it's the world of pokemon there could be battles going on everywhere why does pikachu zero in on this one particularly that's always my logic like uh every time uh pikachu does the whole like spidey senses or tingling looks over and there's always somebody in trouble i'm like people are it's the pokemon world you have like [ __ ] yeah and you have like battling contests you have all these things so how this people should not go oh no it's a bag okay that's always they're fine they're doing this i don't have to interrupt this time

19:16 imagine the multiple times that pikachu has led ash to somewhere and it's just been like oh no this is this is legit okay cool dog piece of there's a member off-screen there's a number of the tva that that's just pointing they're not they're just playing that's what you should say oh [ __ ] oh i have to bring this up but i did sell tick tock where it was ash and he decided to not punch me too did they also keep me like this that's good uh um yeah it's like ash runs in and saves diancie they run off to their thing it just they come in diancie oh you know actually there's a cute line from diancie i really like where like the two trainers the villains beat they're like i'm getting dancing get the [ __ ] out

20:03 she's like no i'm gonna nancy go dance he's like i see you're busy excuse me i don't need to be here for this i see you guys are having a conversation i'll be over there take care that was really cute um yeah ash just comes in pikachu electrocutes and then they go to dinner like so like things kind of like they go quick but not like awkwardly quick yeah like it's just like shock all right diancie you're a diamond do you want some food because bonnie and clement they're hungry too let's go eat some food and then right after that t rockers comes in like swoop no takes them out um i put a point to like when she she does the same thing with team rocketship with the other two like i'm gonna go thank you for having me um but i was

20:49 like just imagining jesse being like i'm stubborn and just like i don't know i guess if she really wanted to she could just stop diancie from leaving yeah capture the pokemon and then the whole plot of that be fair aside from the like the masked marauder we've never seen a villain do that right exactly like that's my logic every single movie when the pokemon it's like like yamcha on the [ __ ] floor and then the hero's carrying it i'm like yeah it's that simple like uh you imagine if they lose telepathy or something when you catch them like catching them like dumbed them down like oh [ __ ] you can't talk anymore so that's why whenever they get confused they hit themselves yeah uh but were you saying something john

21:34 yeah like i i just never understand the whole like never catching the pokemon i feel like yeah you can help a pokemon like with the whole mewtwo thing like in the whatever movie and like dunking him delayed and then go to a full game center i feel like that's way easier sure i feel like in the anime uh they kind of downplay catching pokemon like yeah all the pokemon that any like as far as i'm aware like in the newer stuff from what i've seen ash be friends first and then ask like hey you want to be in the party as opposed to just catching it yeah i think i think that's very i think that's very like a quality of ash and his party because like paul's was known to catch everything and then basically easy train like what's your what's your stats what's your adventure and he threw him away

22:20 gold does the same thing where go catch multiple of multiple of whatever pokemon he sees she's done that bro he destroys it he will catch like go's got four legendaries at this point yeah he almost he's he's got moltres zap he has 90 of gen 1 pokemon and now he's moving into like the gen 2 style yeah i'm not caught up on the anime but seeing the clips of like i look like i got legends so go is us yeah yeah ash is the companion now that every now and again get somebody go is this it's basically ghost anime and then ashes around yeah is there to keep people watching yeah pretty much yeah but like gold basically like befriends them just like ash does uh

23:06 usually the pokemon needs help and then go to friends though and then he catches them if he can't then he'll bring out uh send a raise and death [ __ ] to someone for some reason cinderella's like got here i'm 100 cinderella's gonna take out charizard yeah at this point the way they like they portray him yeah and i'm like that's a good myth that befriend them and if they don't want to befriend you [ __ ] them up [ __ ] them up catch you always just poke balls which is the part that drives me insane so he doesn't use like ultra great vault he only uses pokemon legendary he's too good um power friendship or an [ __ ] yeah it goes cool and all but diancie see i guess i go yeah they take diancie let's go take her home and they have like the travel

23:52 compilation again yeah um which was i'm a little tired of it but inside of paris sorry that's great that's perfection that's why deox is so high in the [ __ ] list this side of paradise it was in the between um jirachi and what was manafee because man if you was the worst of it like droughts was just like quick little compilation through the desert car got stuck but with like random stops that weren't needed like the wish thing yeah so stupid when manafee was like the jirachi drug out we're like we see them jumping and swimming and fighting with the waylord and that doesn't do anything and then we had these moments and i feel like i put in later

24:37 that i felt towards the end i guess i'm kind of hopping around but at the end when the like diancie was able to power through and do what she needed to because of the bonds of friendship that she made but i never felt anything was that important like and i compared it to there's a moment where diancie's trying to do the diamond thing uh and ashley's like you can't do it i'll try let me help and serene is like that's so cute like she's watching from the tent like in a shelter tent yeah which is so i don't want that [ __ ] chat but like they have that moment that like nothing said and nothing's like verbally expressed but it shows that there's an emotion there that serena and that series was a [ __ ] ass rest this season but yeah she's very straightforward about it but

25:23 we never get that with diancie she just all of a sudden cares about everybody which then i reflected on same thing for keldeo and kind of the same thing for genesect where i think that moment of ash sitting with diancie and training and then saving saving diancie from the car bank in the mall would have been a moment to like serena like diancie looks at ash like oh my god you're my friend like we did this you did this and helped me and now like i would risk my life for you but we didn't have that moment or that wasn't animated or illustrated so it felt very like dancing just [ __ ] wanted to mega evolve because she [ __ ] could uh she made her a mega stone dude yeah i think after the last couple movies it's probably due to like i imagine they have poor writing and they couldn't like

26:09 i know sometimes you get like cuts and sometimes scenes don't make it uh i imagine it's a time constraint sure or they have shitty writers because i mean after the bad couple movies i imagine that they're probably struggling to get like a team yeah because there's something i brought up last night when when when we were briefly talking about things like like you could definitely tell like they're recycling a lot of plots at this yeah like like you can say like this movie's like this one this one's like this one you can very directly i noticed we mentioned that was the first one i was talking i was thinking about that in the car today actually it's like it's like the fourth like oh no you have a destiny let's take you home like kelvio kinda celebi yeah kinda forever yeah ever since i noticed shame into a degree

26:56 that has shown you better that's a different branch but yeah basic plot take the pokemon home so they can do what they have to do yeah shaman's a way for them to get involved in the real plot yeah versus it being the real plot yeah because i think that's the thing with with shaving where like yes they do have to take it home but your teen is the important part that everyone cares about and the fact that stops it with diancie we have to take it home you guys will be movies based on past legendaries but in other regions here's the thing with this movie in particular when it comes to taking diancie back home i don't feel that was ever really the

27:41 case until the very end of the movie because they were like you have to find uh xerneas and then they spend all this other time i was like okay but do you know where xerneas is no not really and then they come back and then they go to the same place it's like oh xerneas is here i follow the aura okay but where's the aura in that [ __ ] forest maybe and then the [ __ ] rainbow deer walks down they're like like part of me was led to believe that in the beginning they were setting up to where diancie was trying to search for xerneas but then like at least when we got that little like time lapse thing where we got to see diancie i i didn't think diancie was home when she saw the city i thought they were out and about looking for xerneas yeah and then diancie went off to the city and then they went back to her home and then they went to this forest that happens to have xerneas and i was

28:27 like where's the connection because it seemed like it was a big forest that had some equator in it that was like this is the carbon forest and this is the thousand something hundred acre woods that's like that's what journey says no one can go in there this movie's falling yard forest this movie felt like you were watching all the rings where you're traveling and these events are like predetermined you're just waiting like you know when you're playing skyrim and then these npcs are just waiting for some for you to get there to activate that's what this movie felt like it felt like let's go to the forest oh thank god certainly it's gonna be like yeah it just felt like it was convenient like i don't know that's what say it's skyrim like whenever you go somewhere and uh you're running the npcs chilling by the rock and you're like i need you to pick a plant for me yeah yeah that's what this movie felt like but the payoff

29:13 is when they all dipped their feet in the purple water and it woke up giant death bird so i was sitting here watching this movie and i was in a skype call with danny chris and uh the the offstage gremlin connor what now he's got a shirt okay so he's waiting for someone to say sun current [Laughter] then he just starts rattling off and rushing stun [Music] i was in a call with them and i was just like oh your feet are purple maybe you should not step in that water and then somebody else and i was like maybe you should get out of the water blah blah blah get out of the [ __ ] water

29:59 like i was like who the [ __ ] is not stepping in the [ __ ] and going oh wait it's turning purple maybe i shouldn't be in here and then like the one that made sense is like ashley fell in i was like okay and all of the animation went into that that's my first scene holy [ __ ] he [ __ ] up every single mercenary there and like i was sitting there and i was just like oh they're dead oh [ __ ] they're dead oh my god they're all dead so i took the note i was like this movie was solid seems like it's a little more of a courtesy that i want to give it yeah um but it was a movie yeah wendy velkov showed up like i was [ __ ] locked yeah yeah it had a solid moment it's just

30:45 unfortunately this movie was an hour long so you didn't get that until the last third of the movie yeah that was the highlight for me like oh my god yeah that was the part where i was like holy [ __ ] like just the way it looks and again like after uh diamond pro legendary these are my favorites i actually think these side are a little bit higher just because of the laurel you know everything and the way that they did your belt justice yes so the thing is you're using the bolivian wing yeah he's amazing your volatile is like it's under platelet and this might just be in my exposure to it i don't hear about yvo told nearly as much as i hear about xerneas yeah i hear about xerneas all the [ __ ] times because xerneas was really good in competitive yeah like geomancy and all that [ __ ] i think a big factor with this because normally

31:31 there's a balance with the the box art legendaries yeah they both no good no evil they're just two factors of the same like elemental whatever you know time of space it was earth and water whatever um versus this one like it was a very clear like good and evil yeah and i feel like zuri is like he's the good guy um galton's the bad guy but like when we we just started i at least just started college when x and y dropped uh but i think we started on the stage we did yeah um to me my roommate went and picked up x and y and i was like are you getting y because everyone i know is getting wise like no i'm getting x deer's way cooler i'm like you're [ __ ] dumb but we just met so i'll drive and we can trade pokemon back and forth um death eagle's way back so it's so funny so i like both i'm more of a

32:17 cernia so like i love cernia sure this is like i said this is one of those times where i like both legendaries and that's never happened until diamond pro and i went out of my way to make sure that i traded with my friend because i wanted both of them in the party yeah and i never played legendaries but i i fell in love with i got them looks way [ __ ] cooler during this was the first time i actually used the legendary that's when i broke that's when i broke my rule because like i was like fair the fairy typing was just overpowering that's also another reason people uh cernius over because yeah there's there is a pecking order that's that's why i picked x's because i was like i want to see what fairies do sure and that's my guaranteed way to get a fairy type because at the time i didn't know what else was a fairy type until i caught it and saw it and i was like cool um because it like like i was like i think i was like i'm like everyone's

33:03 going to go with eval tall because everyone everyone has a little bit of an edge lord that comes out when they see some dark pokemon and once once they saw the dark flying they're like he's a why he is he flies he does like all this that's cool i'll take my deer i kind of i don't like hand wings i just i'm not a fan of the hand wings but his with the claws i was like okay i'll give it to him he looks more like a wyvern than that don't see him in libya just like tango if you read like anchor seals war they got with this sign of the pokemon so spot on to what the actual things are um your brother should have been a dragon type but whatever yeah one of the revealed i thought it would be he should have been just that fairy dragon is just like fba yeah one's way but essentially like very much dark too though so it doesn't matter oh

33:49 [ __ ] never mind it's [ __ ] helpful i guess what about it's a dragon that when he fly he creates this darkness and then there's a there's a there's three people and obviously cygar being the third one and uh it's a dog it's supposed to be a dog an eagle and a uh a dragon and you have the deer yeah and cerneus looks very very [ __ ] alike to what the actual thing is we never got a dog like we have cigar days because the world is also uh serpent eating itself right yeah because because the the lord's john john's talking about it ties in directly more sun and moon because that's when they

34:34 pulled in more of the uh lower the idris cell because that's what the whole thing with um zygarde sells well because there's a thing with the zygarde cells but then i'm trying to think of the box legendary as first on the moon like they tie in more directly with uh ragnarok yeah they're gonna get a [ __ ] movie and then on top of that that's really fun they were in the show and yeah eight legendaries also have to do what extracellular which is why i was like i don't know how these things are not connected like around the time like i remember like the big thing with sun and moon was coming out like there was like the whole thing with locks then we had like a three-part series just talking about the lore and how zernius and yveltal were at the center of sun and moon yeah because that's where they had like like the tree of life and they had like sun and moon just played it up just

35:21 substantially more and they because that's when zygarde got his 100 completed form and like all that ties in and like that was like wrapped up with a bow but they just never captured the last last three gens all have to do with the same lore which is it's yeah i think it's the main extent of the universe and put all the movies together you know what i mean how how good did x and y do though because we didn't get a third game in that series like we didn't get a no we didn't because because we got on that ruby alpha sapphire yeah we wish that that expanded upon the gameplay it's just with with x and y like everyone thought there was going to be z but then like i guess they scrapped a storyline i forget like i used to have like the whole thing but gone it's gone to time but yeah like like it just

36:08 like it did well because it was the first handheld 3d game and then like it played off like a lot of like nostalgia i got people excited because like pokemon stadium it's like an official like nostalgia trip but i think x and y brought it brought pokemon back to the forefront of conversation within the pokemon games because they were lackluster previously but then this brought it back and then i think like out of that hype sun and moon directly firmly planted the knife to bring it down also this movie and the next one also applied to the whole extra cell because diamond diamond being it's one of the protectors of earth or mid-round uh and the slower and then you also have like i don't know what to call it i don't know what to call it like dimension hovers genie

36:54 like yeah yeah the enemies of mid realm yeah hoop was one of them and the steam poking on whatever yeah um to turn it back a little bit can i just talk about how previously my favorite scene in like all these movies was that [ __ ] close up hyper beam yeah volta grabbing on to a ship that just launched like 16 [ __ ] rockets at it and going all right [ __ ] [ __ ] he said these are humans they're dead and just [ __ ] shot that thing to the ground and just kept going i like how they thought that was a good idea i know they thought they won yeah yeah oh [ __ ] they were like yeah this is for saving us and like that's the first time i think we've seen people been like okay maybe pokemon can't handle this so technology and then just [ __ ] unleashed a missile barrage

37:40 [ __ ] kill count yeah it's like sitting there [ __ ] like swooping and like doing all this aerial [ __ ] and then it just grabs on with its [ __ ] hand wings and just screams into the cockpit and just [ __ ] so i guess for clarity we've seen the movie and in case anyone's watching or listening that doesn't watch the movie with us um villains show up all steel diancie yep they fall into some big crater which is the purple water yep and as they're tussling back and forth to pokemon they're like stomping their feet through this water which the veltal is buried under yeah and as they're waking this thing up and then he wakes up gets pissed at everybody um and starts oblivious and just starts turning everybody to stone uh yeah ninja dell fox uh trainers yeah

38:27 the [ __ ] trainers do and then so i put this in here because i was a little pissed at riot for being just given up so quick but greninja and del fox both turn to stone and he's like maryland let's run away forget about everything i'm like your pokemon is frozen in stone and you're just gonna go yeah you're just gonna i hope you and then immediately yeah like they get shot that was honestly that was one of those great moments in the movie where i was just like i hope these guys get [ __ ] blasted it goes it delivers delivers exactly what i wanted it's not delivery it's evolving because i just like how in that moment he made a decision it was like [ __ ] the bonds and friendship

39:13 [ __ ] the [ __ ] i've been trying to [ __ ] up this entire film let's just go a kid we met he's gonna have a way cooler frog let's just leave it doesn't matter um but yeah and then this has like spikes and ninja stars yeah yeah he can leave mine as a rock it looks just like him it's to be in a video game cool statue let him there this movie also made me like envy like wanting to have like pokemon as mounts in the in the game because it had like the ninjas like yeah and now there's the on mega pole there's another because i believe it's it was this movie

39:59 i might be getting them confused but it's like like where there was like like just like the rhyhorn and serena jumped on top of it and then they write yeah yeah that's actually brighter yeah i think i like that attention to detail i really enjoyed it so that's like her same character motive in the show like when you meet her she went to like a professional right yeah her mom's professional ryan writer and she went to camp with ash when they were kids but like she remembers ash doesn't and she sees ash on tv trying to save guard chomp who's like under team rocket control mega blaze is getting saved today and she's like i know that kid i gotta go and then she wants to go find him mom's like don't forget your right horn train she's like i wanna [ __ ] do that mom but she's still really good well gets good at it she sucks starts sucking at it i was still more willing to believe that serena knew how to

40:46 ride a rye horn than iris piloting a balloon i feel like you could run into a rhyme horn and be like i'm going to try and ride that like and you'd have like a base knowledge of it then you get into a mechanical [ __ ] wonder of the ages and you're like this should work i get it there should seem to animate where uh some team rocket did something in the cave and there's like a ride don't burn right horn that was like [ __ ] going crazy and serena did the whole like anime thing where she put her hands the sun's getting ready forehead and like his eyes dressing normal and she's just like oh sand jumps and starts writing him i was like that's the only thing i want scarlett johansson sorry buddy um oh

41:35 uh yeah so yeah anyway i'll just start turning everybody down until diancie's like i have a diamond yeah she's like i get it now and then she uh she gave like this little diamond to uh bonnie yeah that ends up being her mega stone the most believable mega evolution in the show so far kinda yeah everybody else just does it yeah uh so yeah she makes big diamond absorbs final attack from yavaltol gives enough time for xerneas to show up zernia shows up he's like i'm gonna stare at you knocked [ __ ] off and your volcano's like message received i'm gonna knock the [ __ ] off and then he dips so seriously okay one okay yeah yeah for real [ __ ] yeah i'm thinking of that i'll go back somewhere else because i made this point maybe i don't know about this way i felt

42:20 xerneas was just under used a little to be the hero at the end so this is the part that confused me is when they like locked eyes and yaval's like okay i'm done like like clearly i'm outmatched here she can stop me you can stop me i'm done i get it i don't want to be a cocoon and he like flew off and when when he like decides to like turn everything back to life like half of it comes back to life and then pikachu turns to stone and i was like what the why the [ __ ] is he turning the stone now when everything's getting healed and then and then uh xerneas does the whole like i'm gonna turn into a tree and everything's gonna turn you back into yeah and i was like are you sure they needed that last little punch yeah they just needed ash to cry where people are starting to notice all the all the animes have this like last little punch that either

43:07 to me is effective or not this one absolutely this one does not yeah this one missed the mark because it it felt hella severe and then it went from feeling super severe to being like why is it solved and then the minute it was solved you're like okay well at least now it's solved and it's like but it's not yet so it's gonna be a treat it was solved with the sacrifice that didn't feel crucial like yeah every like i was saying earlier with diancie like her bond with the gang didn't feel important enough and same person like xerneas we're after certainly it's the whole movie well we finally find it it's like the power's inside of you i hated that [ __ ] because and again i was watching it sped up so i'm sitting there watching and i'm like they're they're just like xerneas i need to learn how to blah blah blah blah and he's just like cool you already know how to do it

43:52 i was like that was that for me that was like a whole 20 seconds yeah so everybody else that was probably like a minute and i was like is that it that's the whole rule there's just random scenes is ernest going i got is it done i got a different impression of it but it still doesn't make sense to me is the fact that xerneas gave diancie power and was like you have it in with inside you i was like so wait is this supposed to be a lesson that diane's supposed to learn why did you give her power yeah what happened like imagine it was just like some kids like i want to see fireworks you just like light off a sparkler like there you go kid it's if you actually could the fireworks are going on above us the entire time it's the meme with the genie where it's like i wish i was my uh i wish i was cooler or stronger or something and it's like

44:39 your wish is granted nothing happened didn't mean to you like you like light a sparkler for a kid the kid's holding it somebody behind the kid lights off a roaming candle and like shoots up you think it's the kid and he's like whoa i did that [ __ ] sparklers and then it's actually a roman candle like like that's kind of how it felt yeah so the best comparison that that given the common conversation how does everybody feel about the new trilogy of star wars it's like a very direct comparison where it's like rey's on the journey to find luke skywalker and then he gets there and then it's just looks a lightsaber throws behind gives up the whole [ __ ] thing that's exactly how it felt like to me we built up this journey and then it's

45:25 just power inside you that felt like just tossing the lightsaber and then just [ __ ] off i'm like okay so i admit that now comparison to infinity war um completely rearranging infinity war to make the comparison i was like it was imagine if thanos showed up at the beginning [ __ ] up loki thor all of asgard whatever dipped the entire movie it was just ebony maul approximately everyone doing their thing the armies and at the very end like that you don't see in the entire movie just popped a portal said sup and then like dip back in like that is what xerneas kind of did this movie minus like four fight scenes that's kind of just ending you're not engaging that's kind of just infinity sure yeah like there was there was build up two things we got back like here's thanos meeting gamora and like you know we built on a character that even though he wasn't front and center because he had like 90 characters

46:13 yeah i got you thanos existed and we got connected to thanos when xerneas was like we gotta find you power's inside dip magical horns tree like that was kind of it so i i in this movie i felt more confident that i like evolved all more than xertius because of what this movie did for those two characters yeah um but yeah i feel like there's another movie where we talked about where the legendary just showed up clap cheeks and left and i'm trying to remember what uh what movie that was to compare it to uh it could have been kyogre literally shows up hyper beams the [ __ ] out and then she's gone yeah that's what that room is

47:08 part of me is like okay with the fact that like xerneas and yveltal kind of know what their places are when it comes to their relationship with each other but you have to base all of that on a look and i'm not sure if that's satisfying me i would have really liked the deer to throw down with the with the eagle of death sure i think you're meant to read the pokedex entries because they do tell you about how like they go back and forth all the time how they you know they're they're each and one awakens the other ones too but the thing is it's like a little kid doesn't read right so like you can't refer like if that's what their logic is that's and you should we can do that and we would do that but little kids and i can go like oh let me go read the pokedex entry their mom just

47:54 you watch this entire battle with this movie and then you're just like okay cool where's your vel's hall going is nobody gonna stop him yeah okay becomes too abundant in that area you also will come back destroy it all and then become the cocoon and xerneas wakes up and it's just like it's not it's a cycle but a kid doesn't know that because there's a lot of built-in history that that they're that that they're kind of like expecting you to know yeah because the whole across are lower because i guess the more of the thing that that i would i mean

48:40 with like the games and movies and how they want it to tie in you're if you're not playing the game you're not going to watch the movie so odds are you're going to know that history going into it like you're not just like a kid that doesn't that just watches like the enemy in the shows and then just dives right into this and then [ __ ] off away from the games so they're it feels like they're trying to like play off that because like the cycle of xerneas killing everything certainly is bringing life to everything and it's just a repeated cycle of life and death and that's like like what they're playing on they expect you to know that but then they don't translate it loosely in the film to build like if there's like moments where like they were talking about that in the movie like like how like uh what was it like the ladies and ladies movie

49:25 where they brought them to like like the museum and there was like all like this history that was like laid out and where you could watch like you could get a better reference for them they do this this move but this movie could have benefited a lot more with that ending and it could have felt more impactful if they were like this is the way these are the stakes this is one once that cocoon opens and it also comes out things are [ __ ] dying if uh and i think they did this in the game uh if they would have made it where when the cocoon opened everything around was just [ __ ] like you know when vegeta does a victory attack will be fine there's a move in dry mostly where one of the characters gets possessed and he does like an attack

50:12 everything around him grass everything dies when he uses this move yeah i think when your belt is cocooned open they should have made all the trees everything just started with that right that would have made that i could be wrong and but i think the reason we didn't see that because the place that yavalta was it was already dead but then i also remember shots of yavalto blasting things and then them petrifying i don't know i i thought it was [ __ ] cool this is the plot of the movie this is the movie where they didn't get a one-off side character that helped them and this is the one that needed it because that whole scene where they're shopping in the mall and the car bank and the blah blah blah blah all of that could have been they meet somebody who tries to help diance dancing but doesn't isn't strong enough ash goes helps them save diancie

50:57 they're just like do you know who this is let me show you this [ __ ] thing that my grandpa owns then you go you see the story and it's like oh so xerneas is in the forest and then you go to the forest beats ernest and even if the rest played out similar to how it played out it would probably feel better yeah because you would know more of the stakes you would know more of the more the story and it this is one that needed a side character as much as we [ __ ] on some of the side characters who just show up and go hi my name is bagong and then just doesn't do anything he should have had [ __ ] kevin yeah he's just like he got through me from the last one i didn't do much like that like mewtwo returns with that one dude that literally just shows up to go i'm here to test the water and it just [ __ ] off like the whole movie he shows up like

51:45 water yeah let me teach you um yeah i just feel like for the whole movie i sweeping shows up sweden comes and saves the forest by touching the water um the purple water makes the cocoon good shiny of all tall [ __ ] great right i i like the things that happen they just don't feel important yes um again i used the zerniest part and the diancie finding her power because of her friends thing and i think diancie could have been fixed by just a few moments like i said this arena of like wow he's really trying out there yeah i had to be like wow he saved me from a bunch of rock like in the you know mull and [ __ ] um or he's trying to bond with me by helping me find my power i think that

52:32 could have helped a lot um even even the body thing where she's like can i keep the rock and put you in the purse like that was kind of it yeah for diancie and bonnie like did he really do anything that scene was so slow yeah yeah where she put the rock into the bag i was like why are we focusing so much on this so that way you know like i i understand that that is the point but like it was it was three four seconds way too long and it was so elaborately animated 70 frames a second baby uh gotta put that budget somewhere they're like they're here we got a little extra time and then instead of doing like an over-the-top anime scene they're like yeah just really slowly put the gym right um so when the movie ends i think we get one of my favorite things

53:18 that the villains do at the end which is like they don't just get arrested by officer jenny because they didn't really do anything illegal they were just like that's a cash cow i'm gonna go for it and they're all just like we [ __ ] with something we can't handle i'm done i'm taking the rest of my money i'm investing somewhere else and i'm starting over and the two open up the merlin and riot open up the [ __ ] clothing store and uh argus and millis open up the bakery yeah which i loved his whole chocolate thing where he's like it's good for you if you eat the cocoa and she's like chocolate's bad for you dad and he's like you're gonna eat the [ __ ] chocolate or not yeah i i i think those two characters were great not much screen time not much development but they're right when we got there yeah

54:05 just like bam bam um obviously they fall fall in love they have that weird like sexual tension of competing with each other i feel like there's a there's a history there like they've known each other for a long time but i think they did a good job of showing that yeah without actually showing anything else it's like that felt more powerful than anything on the other hand and just looking at the future of like their history together if they go to be doubles partners through the competitions they're going to be a hell of a team like a ninja in a [ __ ] dell fox they cover each other i think she'll probably use the end meg against the better pokemon but it's yes the yen mega i love that listen to that thing and like make its noise yeah he didn't go like yeah it was just like just a [ __ ] vibration i loved it i loved it um it's like a

54:53 [ __ ] pair of hair clippers just add to the whole uh one legendary does get more attention even in the newest pokemon snap only one of them made it into the game i don't know is there any assertions makes it to the game course yeah unless he's in there and i don't know about it but i don't know i have to take the right route you gotta shoot a snorlax and then awakens everything else right in the [ __ ] head with a heart diamond that way he moves out of the [ __ ] path and he wakes up at the belt's hall because um any other important part i don't think i think we nailed it for the most part for the most part yeah there's anything else important that he's there so danny let's wrap this up so we can get the whole book sounds good did i surprise you you have to finish this one first i know

55:39 you're all excited surprised you thought this was just i can't see it it's actually awesome i i put a note that i thought would have helped with the whole diancie bond thing okay um so it's the part where ash and pikachu like falling pikachu's knocked out actually holding him and like clement uses i thought because right right after they get up diancie creates the diamond and blocks the attack i think i've been really cool with like ash is hanging clement tries to save [ __ ] i couldn't get him him and pikachu fall and diancie creates i don't know how much control she has over placement of it but if she create one of those diamonds right under ash's feet so yeah he fell like boom i saved my friend and either climbs up or lifts it or whatever i feel like that would have meant a little bit more for them instead of just like

56:26 my robot arm picked up ash yeah so i just i thought that probably would have helped a bit all the budget went into the yevotal scene diamond storm and oblivion wing that's where because diamond storm looked way too good yeah like [Music] uh so you guys ready to rank this movie or sure cool as always we will now take this movie we'll find the perfect place where it belongs on this list and forever cemented right there in eternity but first i have to go through the list starting at number 17 we have pokemon black and white 16 we have pokemon youtube returns 15 pokemon ranger temple of the sea 14 pokemon 2013 pokemon forever 12 pokemon genesect and the legend awaken 11 pokemon triacie wishmaker 10 kirum versus the sword of justice nye lucar the mystery mu eight spell the unknown seven pokemon

57:13 heroes six zarak master of illusions five rcs in the jewel of life four pokemon in the first movie three geared to the sky warrior two destiny dioxis and number one pokemon rise of darkrai anybody feel strongly where they think this movie belongs i think this goes right above swords justice and no further above caldio no further yeah above kylie it's right below lucario above keldeo yeah this would be our new number 10. i feel that john chris anybody have a i agree yeah okay like i just totally wasn't bad at all like i don't think the movie was bad yeah like i said it's not bad after the last four movies that we watch i think this is the best one

57:59 i don't know i think it's a really good average movie yeah and it had two amazing legendaries a background noise kind of film just to hear what's going on yeah yeah it had a good cast i mean all the humans were awesome because it sounds like i mean i think it should be the new number six i thought i think it's better than zoroark i have a lot of problems with something right under uh right under this gets weird because i do i and and me as a person who doesn't like lucario as much i don't think this movie is better than the cardio that's that's me though i understand it yeah so

58:46 again aside from the very rare things don't work out the way we do i i prefer genesect to this movie but i also i don't think it goes above kelvio uh i i think it goes right above kelvin right i could i could i could interchange them personally yeah either with me i i would probably put it right under keldeo but yeah definitely no higher than lucario for me okay i guess it's up to you too if it's above or below lucario i guess we're not right now what's that lucario's number nine the car is number nine i hate it lucario all the passion is about to be number nine i guess we could find out from a hand right hello what's that where's caldio ten

59:33 this goes with all kelvio for me okay under lucario yeah let's find out with a nice razor hand so we can start we're gonna skip up i guess yeah so let's start with is it above genesect so number twelve above jirachi kirum okay above lucario okay jewelry lands right there i'm okay with that i just i hate the next two sure i i think has cool like while this one has a really good scene with the aval tall i think i think that lucario just has a lot of really good scenes with a bunch of in my opinion pointless filler like i i feel like 30-ish percent of that movie just doesn't need to be in that movie because the same thing

1:00:20 you you could remove about like 20 minutes from the movie about that he thought i was talking about yeah i i i listened to the podcast and then he [ __ ] my whole world up because i started to think about it i'm like oh my god that's the truth yeah it's okay the access is way higher than it ever should be but it should be number one um just to double check for youtubes your hands are still up so you would have still put it above lucario below three was it better than yeah you spell the unknown yeah i didn't like spell i don't know better than heroes no okay so you would have at new number eight yeah was your zucario right above lucario oh no i didn't like i said

1:01:07 number six yeah you're [ __ ] wild chris i hear wild enough all right into the new list starting at the bottom number 18 black and white 17 b2 returns 16 pokemon ranger 15 2000 14 forever 13 genesect 12 jirachi 11 kirum 10 diancie 9 lucario eight smell the unknown seven heroes six zarak five arceus for the first movie three shot guaranteed two dioxes and number one rise of dark rock so the best the best part will be like there's gonna be a screen over this

1:01:53 so although here's the impact of plastic and jelly and be like what was that i've never had more power with peanut butter and jellies it was okay so out of context connor's been sitting off screen when he walked in like are you guys recording i was gonna walk in and throw this ppj so like hold on to it do it during the podcast and i think three or four times he sat over just like not yet not yet yeah like you just gotta throw it um you should have just waited until the next podcast i thought bit on the couch you know you're just sitting here in the middle and just like bam snacks can i have the pb chat yeah i'm looking at chris and i just turned back

1:02:40 [Music] credit card makes no sense and then i was very wrong and then and then i was proven wrong i probably flexible can send a flower i feel like but with that to the side give me a second to delete some [ __ ] from this list because he's not after the ranking we are now into the pokemon pole challenge every week that we actually do the podcast we pick a pokemon that appeared in this movie and then we put a nice little poll in the cg danny b community discord you guys get to react to it and be like hey this one's just the best one whether you watch the movie or not because i know

1:03:27 most of you don't papa you just [ __ ] you started voting for this week and it was like the first vote crustal oh mike thanks papa thanks not the cool ice dragon or the cute little tadpole now the [ __ ] sand crab um one time the one time you decided to not pick a [ __ ] meme and you take my for alligator i'm so bad we sat here and we were like for alligator was a more like a more prominent protagonist than ash and i was like i was like yeah dude [ __ ] alligator oh you were like no for alligators so four uh for the first one today as we're recording this theorem just came out so we don't have results for right right genesect yet uh but results for the last two that i didn't have in the last episode

1:04:14 um both went to dante don't call to come back with i'm not coming back divorce is finalized now he's never come up with zoroarch and victini it's the victory pokemon ah he looks like something he looks like something out of a sonic game i think i mentioned that right he do you ever sonic battle on the gameboy advance yeah he looks like that robot yeah emerald yeah anyway poll challenge for this week we will all pick a pokemon from this movie

1:04:59 and the first choice uh goes to me because liverpool it's my podcast uh like not picking grinding how the draft works you know sometimes you trade off your because because i was sitting there i was like man if they don't have any good picks i might actually have a pick or an

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