0:03 This is new. There's no way to know what this is. Even knowing what this is, the memory or idea of what this is is completely new. It's completely fresh. And in that way, it's totally alive. It doesn't have any weight to it. It doesn't have any real substance. >> Of course, doesn't have any real substance or history. It's fresh. There's no way for this to be sort of heavy or distant. It's all immediate. It's all this alive.
0:52 Now this unteded untarnished purity can seem to be lost. There's an experience that can happen that would be recognized as the sense of well fundamentally it's a sense of being here. Secondly it's the sense that I am or I know or this is happening to me. Now that sense which is illusory partially just a belief sits in the body and that sense of separation that sense of I'm here to that sense what I said at the beginning is completely lost. It lives in a world that says I know
1:39 what this is. I've been here before or I haven't been here before. I know I've heard this before. I haven't heard this before. In other words, this means something to me or it doesn't. That is the experience of this of separation. And separation fundamentally is a sense that something's missing. And after that, it's an energy of seeking something more. It's an energy of always looking outside for something. And it's undifferentiated in its search. It will listen to these words. It will listen to see the movements and it'll try to make some sort of meaning out of it. It'll look for something in that something for itself. Whereas what we're going to be
2:25 discussing is already not separate. It isn't here any less or any more than it's there. To the extreme that there isn't an actual here or there. There is simply everything. That's all there is is everything. And everything is simultaneously unknowable. So it's what is everything which is at the same time unknowable, fresh and new. This >> so since it's everywhere and everything, why does it feel
3:10 different when we are here? There's a the experience of being a person although it can be recognized it's sort of experienced in the body it isn't actually in the body it actually the experience of it is everything in the sense that my experience as I move through the world everything is real and that's a reflection of the sense that I'm real >> in a meeting like this that doesn't happen in the same way because this there isn't anything here to reflect back that that's real. Doesn't mean for some that it'll seem like this is real.
4:11 Yeah. >> Hi. >> What is So, what is consciousness versus awareness? >> Well, they're the same. That's the same. >> I'm conscious. I'm aware. It's the experience of being separate. >> How about then the absolute is that? >> Well, there is the consciousness is the absolute appearing is consciousness. The an illusion. The consciousness awareness are illusions. They arise with the illusion of separation. Um, so why doesn't why when we have this
5:00 glimpse of awareness of awakening and we don't understand for lack of a better word that you can feel it and then we lose it. I lose it. every day. >> Yeah. Yeah. You don't lose it. The me or that separate energy comes back. >> How do we do to keep this energy too? >> Well, you didn't do it in the first place. Fundamentally, there's no difference from a glimpse that you're saying is in
5:47 the past. It's not. And this it only seems different because there's someone that feels like they know what it is. You think you knew what a glimpse was, but you don't. And so you you you differentiate and say that this isn't it. The MI is a differentiator. It's always on a path to something else. This isn't it. It's something else. Fundamentally for that sense of separation, this isn't it.
6:37 So this is not happening. >> Well, it is. >> Yeah, >> it is. But without any weight without any real history. It's new. It's newness happening. Um I don't know the exact question but um when you were talking about like I'm here it sounded like the idea that I'm here is separation. >> Yeah. >> So I've been thinking recently for a
7:23 long time about um a lot of different kinds of practitioners and people are helping people quote get more in their body and less in their head >> and so you start to ground in your body and >> and then >> Sweet, isn't it? >> It makes sense. >> Well, that's what I'm trying to get at like you feel better and you feel >> well for a little while present, right? No, I'm saying like right after you you feel more present. >> So, I'm just trying to understand like kind of what that difference is. >> Well, it feels better. >> It feels better to be in your body than to be not. Well, it has I think it has more to do the the the me is in a way very discursive. It sort of goes out all different places and so
8:08 that sense of being centered or grounded feels better. It's like getting drunk >> feels better. >> Just just there's not as much of a hangover with being grounded. No, that's true. So, you're saying at like when when the without being quote grounded or whatever, you know, um the MI is >> it's it's busy. It's like busier busy. Yeah, it's very busy. >> And that's why cuz you're right. You start to feel like more present and slower and >> um is it more separation, do you think, or less? >> No, there isn't anything more or less separation. There's either separation or there isn't. there is there is a mei or
8:55 not a mei. The mi is always looking for a better it's completely addicted to feeling >> and so it's always trying to have a better one >> and so being conscious is a better feeling or the idea the the sense of being more conscious or more aware especially if you have a whole concept you know um scaffolding around that that's the right way to be then that's also a good feeling. So it's got all these good feelings that it's chasing >> and being more in your body >> whatever it is. Yeah. It's just a better >> So the whole idea of being embodied which is like talked about so much now it's not really >> it's just another it's just a better experience of separation
9:41 >> because what we're talking about here isn't in the body or outside the body. >> That's what right because it's not like this is about being less in the body. Right. Yeah. >> It's not about anything that has anything to do with the experience of separation. >> It's got nothing to do with you. >> There isn't a you. >> Yeah. >> Keeps coming down to that. >> Yeah, it does actually. Yeah. So uh there been times where you mentioned that the contraction is kind of beyond the body in a way and so I guess my question is if the contraction drops is it something that's reflected
10:28 beyond the body as well? >> Oh totally. >> And in what way? >> Well for the for the experience of the the separate experience what's happening first off is separate but it's real and it's it has a solidity a realness. The realness of it is a solidity of it which includes time and space. All of that seems to have a realness, a solidity to it that is related to the experience that I'm real. And so the dropping of that is also it also disappears there the illusion that everything is solid and real >> and in doing that is >> and meaningful and purposeful >> and in doing that is there a change in in the quality of of things in a way? >> Yeah. Oh, totally. The illusory the
11:13 illusory realness of them. >> And is that more of a felt thing or is it something that can be sensed in? >> Well, I guess initially you could say there's a lightness to it, but that doesn't there's not anyone to to know that in in time the lightness of it. >> So, it's more that the lightness is there, but there's just no commentary. It's just kind of there. >> Yeah. Abs. Well, it's not there. It's just all there is. Everything has a a lightness to it. And then when you're >> in each sense of the word actually >> and then when you're interacting with a me so to speak, is there a similar thing? >> I don't know what you mean. I'm sorry. I'm saying no, but I don't quite understand. [Music] >> It's probably no, but but let but let's let's see. Let's see.
12:02 [Laughter] I guess. So when you're interacting with a person and there's no me for you, is it that you're automatically sensing there's no me in them? >> Oh, totally. >> Story. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. >> Yeah. >> That wasn't >> No, it wasn't. It was a Yes. So, um, you're saying that the idea of there's not someone to know when there's not me. Like when I walked in here and I said like that, um, it feels different
12:49 than the last time I was here. >> Yeah. Um, I was just wondering if there's not a me, does that does that I think >> that all still works. >> Oh, it's still so so it would be like there's a memory and a comparison. >> Oh, there's memories. >> So, I understand but but >> so there could be >> the difference is comparison happening. >> Yeah. Oh, definitely feeling. >> Yeah. >> But what' you say the difference is what? >> There isn't any meaning attached to it. There isn't any sense that it it has any value. that there's a difference for the mei. It has value. It's on a the me the experience of the individual, the experience of separation is being on a journey. It's on a path somewhere.
13:35 It hopes better and sometimes it's worse, but it it's actively trying to make its experience better. And so comparison is put into that context. Everything is put into that context of where it finds itself on its journey. So the comparison is like, oh, it's getting better. I'm getting better. >> This is different. That means something. Whatever. Yeah. Anything. >> There's 7 billion bodies and there's seven billion. If there's 7 billion me, let's say, then there's 7 billion stories about it getting better or worse. >> And none of that's really true. >> No. Well, there isn't a story. There are no stories. This is all there is. There isn't a story to it. It's contextless. It's well, it's an appearance of
14:22 nothing. It just doesn't have the it doesn't have the reality or the context that the experiencer seems to feel it does. It's just free. This but this is the whole of it. It isn't it isn't there isn't a story about how this came to be. This can appear as a story though, but there is no story about how this came to be. It's everything. >> And how about the idea of of >> hallucinating a sense of separation? Yeah. >> Is that story also? >> It is a story. >> It is a story, but it's kind of happening. >> It seems to happen. Yeah. >> Seems to happen. And >> the end of me, there being a mei is a
15:09 story. There isn't actually a me here. For the me, it seems like everybody has is a me. When there isn't a me, there's never never is a me. And in that story of me, it seems like there can be a loosening. >> And it seems like there can be >> or a tightening. >> There isn't really, >> huh? >> There isn't really >> there isn't really anything. And loosening also would go could go back and forth >> and and for the individual again we're back to comparison. This is loosening. I'm getting closer getting closer to nothing >> from nothing to nothing.
16:24 such a firmly held you almost like hold dear that I somehow it's a comforting thing. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. And it's it's the even the idea I guess the longer you've been alive is more even just to fathom that life without that is other impossibility. >> Yeah. >> Contracted sense of self falls away. >> Yeah. >> And thoughts can still come. >> Yeah. >> And emotions still come. >> Yeah. >> Does it Can a contracted sense of self still come? >> Um, not really because it's a large part of it is a belief and there just isn't
17:11 anyone left to believe in it. I mean, a way of saying it is what how could something that never happened happen again? Because there's there isn't Yeah. The whole story I think in a context like this is that Jim there was a me and then it fell away and now Jim sits in the front and so all of that is a real story about how this situation came to be and it it there isn't actually an explanation for this. The MI is actually an explanation of itself. You know it comes up and explains its reality all the time and there is no explanation for
17:57 this. It's beyond the conception of freedom. It's freedom beyond conception. This this it's already done just doesn't mean anything to the the separate individual because it can't be known. It's kind of funny how the denial when you said that like the denial is just so automatic. >> Yeah. >> It's just like no n >> this isn't freedom. I don't feel it. >> Yeah. And then it's like I can't actually put my finger on why it's not
18:44 why it doesn't feel like it's it. >> Oh, because it's not a feeling. It's nothing to the individual. where we >> what's truly longed for is the end of separation. But the end of separation is nothing to the individual. >> It's death in a sense. In as much as there's a me, it's the worst thing you could think of because it's the end of you knowing and it's what's most longed for and it's already this
19:38 Is boredom an experience that belongs purely to the individual? >> Being bored, but there are boring things. Four hours for a delayed flight can be a little boring, but there isn't anyone. Boredom is then fresh and new. [Laughter] [Music] There just isn't anyone being bored. Boring food or boring people. All that still seems to happen, but there just isn't anyone being bored. >> So there's freshness no matter what. >> Absolut. And it that's the key in a sense to everything we're talking about is it is already all of that. It is already free. It is already fresh and
20:23 new. And that includes the sense of an experience or being bored. That's the reason there's no way. There's no point. There's no reality to a glimpse as opposed to a not a glimpse. It has nothing to do with what's happening because it already is everything that appears to be happening. Nothing is. It's already whole and complete. It's already done. No matter what appears is so fully itself that it's completeness in action. Even if that's sense of separation or a sense of boredom or whatever appears in that way you couldn't say anything else other than it's perfect. >> So it's the totality just
21:09 >> it well that but everything that appears is the totality. when I get there. >> So, does that mean the present moment doesn't exist? >> Yeah, it does. [Music] [Laughter] So then what is it? So what? So it's not the present moment. It's nothing. >> Yeah, absolutely. [Music]
22:09 Millions of Acari fans. Yeah, >> you're going to call your customer service. So the present moment is always for >> Yeah. >> Does the me create time because it likes
22:54 the story or No. >> What's the >> It It doesn't create time. images because there is time apparently for these words to make sense there seems to need to be time and they do most sometimes. Um no it's the reality of it. It's the reality the meaningfulness the purposefulness that's the illusion >> is attached to >> no it is it is that it is the realness of what is it is the realness of time the realness of the table. It can't actually see the table. It sees itself which is the realness of the table. And so it has the experience of moving through time because it has a real position as opposed to time. So it moves
23:40 through time rather than there just being everything. There's me moving through time. The reality of time whereas really there's just everything. >> So it's >> that's everything tableabling. >> It's more about the realness. And then the story. >> Oh, totally. Well, the re the story is the realness. It's the same. The realness is the story. The story is the realness. If it's not real, there's no story. The realness is, you know, at the same time the meaningfulness and the purposefulness and the intention of the experience of separation. It's all the same energy. So the me is really about being real and everything being that's kind of the >> that's the yeah
24:26 >> well >> well it's also very much so the sense of being meaningful and purposeful and also I mean it's got a few things in it because it's also the sense of this being somehow incomplete and that engenders the sense of intention which is the require environment of free will which is elusory and valition as far as making this better, a better experience, guilt, fear, all of that arises with the experience that I am real. This is real. It has meaning and purpose and intention and my job as an individual is to is to make it better. Make it's each every
25:11 individual is different but they generally fall into two categories. making myself better or the world better. It's one of the two. >> It's amazing how many levels of >> in a way. Yeah. >> Happen. >> Yeah. >> Um and >> or don't really happen. >> Do you think Yeah. Right. Do do you think it happens that all of that kind of goes with the me naturally or is it learned or >> No, it's reinforced through the learning experience that everybody else says I'm a me. >> There's a confirmation in that. >> But you think it's kind of a natural inevitable thing of being of of of a body apparently being quote born >> not nec no absolutely not. I have had
25:58 more than one phone call of someone saying, "Oh, that I'm not mentally ill. There just never was a me." Not a lot, but a couple of phone calls. >> Yeah. Well, there's no value in the experience of separation or there being no experience of separation. >> Really? Really? There's no value. >> Oh, no. How could there be? What would be missing to add to that would need to have something to be added to it? It's only in the story of me that something's missing and needs to be added. >> It seems like the subtraction of it, it seems to me the subtraction of it has some value. Well, because it's it lives
26:44 in a world of getting and so it thinks Jim got something and so it will put Jim as knowing something that doesn't know, having something that doesn't have and somehow in some way being really good person because he got it. And just none of that's true. Certainly not the good person. No, it it really is. It's there is there is nothing to get out of what we're talking about. Not in the sense of the individual having a better experience. >> And neither one is more quote true than the other. >> Well, there isn't in that sense trness. >> Yeah. Well, because there isn't any difference.
27:31 The difference is a dream that might be happening there. So is there such thing as love >> of who? >> When is love come into this whole thing? >> Oh, it's just all there is. >> Okay. >> We move and have our being in God in love. Don't I didn't mean to bring God into it. This is It's a quote from the Bible. This This isn't about God. Seriously, it's not.
28:18 >> That was a >> You mean the old man in the sky? Why does the me feel so uh incomplete? >> Um because it feels separate >> and so that's just
29:05 It feels like there's like something more. >> Yeah. >> That's not me. >> When that separate sense arises immediately there's a sense of incompleteness or something missing, something lost. You know, there's a parable Adam and Eve. That's what it's about. being kicked out of paradise, eating from the tree. I think it's of the knowing of good and bad or the gooding of right and wrong. Knowing of good of right and wrong because there isn't that without a me. There isn't an actual right or wrong because there isn't any story for anything to be right or wrong about.
29:50 Sometimes you you refer to I guess the MI as a story and sometimes as a belief and then sometimes it's like a contraction. >> Yeah. Oh, absolutely. So the story and the me are the same thing. And the MI is both physical and belief. It's it's a physically held belief. >> Oh, okay. I see. And that physically held belief, the experience of it is I am whatever the story. This is the story is my my life. >> And you can't let it go. >> Well, you wouldn't if you could. >> But I feel like I I want to >> Yeah. Yeah. Um
30:38 >> you you the whole idea of letting it go is just a confirmation that there's a dream that it's actually happening because there isn't anyone there. >> Do you think if the story is believed for so long and that tension [Laughter] [Music] Is it only like a momentary? [Laughter] >> This one is not for sure.
31:33 It's got nothing to do with time, how long the Mi is believed or any of those things. It's that it's that big. >> Yeah. Yeah. The end of the story doesn't happen in the story. The end of the story is is just another story.
32:23 So the idea that there's a context of the end of the story is just a story. So how long it's believed or any of those things or falling away or loosening or any of that is just a story. And the story in that way doesn't end. It never ends. It just never happened. And what those >> no one >> there's just no story, >> right?
33:10 >> There's just no story. Everything is sort of confirming that there's no story. >> Yeah. Not really. There's no need for confirmation. Do you think conditional changes have any uh >> they're an excuse? They're not the cause. There do seem to be conditional changes, but they're an excuse. Like this meeting wouldn't be a cause of there being no me, but it might
33:55 be an excuse. What if you have like an injury or a really bad >> like your head gets chopped off? >> That would be the end of me. >> No, I mean like you have something that if you pursue changing it, it could improve your well-being like rehabbing or >> Oh, of course. >> improving your financial situ. >> Yeah. Eating healthy. >> Yeah. So don't those don't doesn't the pursuit uh of those require some sort of like story of how I will be in the future if I take action. >> Oh absolutely planning and all of that but not not a story about it not a reality of it. It just happens that
34:43 there's planning this plans that's how it gets here. There's just no story about it. There isn't anyone doing it. It just happens. And without that sense of separation which has a story about everything, there seems to be a naturalness about planning, eating whatever healthy and all those things, >> but you don't see that as necessarily like uh engaging with the story. >> Absolutely. Well, for there is no story for the me. Everything is a story about how this came to be and how it's going to become whatever it is it thinks it
35:28 is. For this, there's just what appears and that could be planning. Yeah. >> So people like I mean nowadays people are living in survival mode. People are coming from the reptilian brain. How does that relate to separation or does it >> Oh, there isn't any sep there nothing relates to separation because there isn't any. >> So why why the need for people still living in that primal state? >> There isn't any need. It's not this >> the whole of this isn't serving a purpose. >> There isn't a purpose for it to serve.
36:16 >> So it's just what's happening. >> Yeah. like that. There's more of that stress fight flight. So it's like this energy is appearing as this this that it's just like a dance. >> You know in the end what we're talking about although we're using concepts it's got nothing to do with concepts.
37:01 Understanding this is has no value. Concepts are pretty simple. This is nothing and there's no one. That's pretty much all we're saying. Um, how did your experience with other teachers affect you? >> Oh, it depends on which one. I went to a lot of them and some of them, you know,
37:47 it was like and some of them was like [Laughter] >> what I understand like you had experience mostly with Tony Parson. Yeah. Yeah. >> That was more >> you say that now being different. >> Cuz there's so many, you know, because they talk about radical non-duality. >> Oh, God. I know. What? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The MI loves to differentiate because it's on a path. It wants to know where it's going, what's happening. It needs to know. You got to get a I bet there is on the internet if you wanted to. There's probably a chart of all the teachers out there with all their qualities and all
38:33 the rest of it. >> That would really sell cuz then you could figure out who thinks who's better and then you'd be able to go to them. >> So like t-shirt like a teacher versus being present. >> I thought you said t-shirt. Yeah, I sell t-shirts. No, a teacher. Yeah. Oh, yeah. >> This is a present. >> Yeah. Oh, well, whatever. Anything. any value, any sort of, you know, context that's going to be better for me. That's the experience of the individual. >> I want a shirt. >> Yeah. >> Got my little t-shirt gun, right? >> The lucky ones got a real B. >> Yeah.
39:21 >> The me is there. I don't know if it sounds like there's a value to there being a me and it looking for a better experience, but there isn't. It's just what happens. And if there's if there's still that conviction that what it's what's longed for is going to be within experience, then another a teacher or someone who has a large following or something I can hang on to or a practice that I can do just makes a whole lot more sense. It just makes sense. It's still nothing happening. Even if it is a teacher that's giving a practice, it's it doesn't there's no value to this. There's no value to that.
40:14 >> So I know that you know you said you know there's nothing here for the need. >> Yeah. >> Why are we here? Yeah. Well, I mean, it probably if there's 30 people here, there's probably 30 uh, you know, ideas of why they're here, >> but fundamentally that I think most of the time there's kind of two things going on. One of them is the individual that feels like something needs to happen, and then there might be an openness to even some sort of joy at there being no answer. Yeah, >> sometimes there's the both of those things are going on.
41:06 >> Second one you said the feeling of joy if there being no answer or there being nothing. >> Is that joy coming from the meek? >> No. No. It hates it. >> It gets it really gets frustrated and ang sometimes angry, sometimes confused. >> So this joy is coming from where? >> Nothing. >> So that's the nothing that >> well the me is also nothing. >> There isn't anything that isn't already nothing. >> I think because I believe in the thought that I'll be Sounds funny to me. I would be more aligned to nothing being here listening
41:52 to you than watching Netflix at home. >> Yeah. >> And then >> it's just it's just giving a story to explain why you're here. >> But does it count? >> No, of course it doesn't count. No one chose to come. >> Nothing counts. When nothing counts then some people are depressed and some people >> only only if nothing counts is for the individual another story to live which is a complete misunderstanding of what we're talking about. It's not nothing counts for you. It's that there isn't a you and therefore nothing counts.
42:51 So when you said about planning >> Yeah. >> Um I think I understood you said planning without a meaning. >> Yeah. >> For example, if I'm sick, I go to the doctor to the doctor because that's how it works in this. But I guess what adds the suffering is what I'm thinking. >> Oh yeah, absolutely. What is it? What does it mean about me? >> So if I'm planning an event and I have logistics, I I have to choose between doing the logistics. >> Well, the experience is that you choose and that's fair enough. That's the way it is. If there's a me, there isn't anyone that does though. It already isn't that way that there's someone in there with valition doing that. The experience is there is but there isn't.
43:38 It all happens on its own. The MI is kind of like a parasite. You know, it just lives off of what's happening and says it's happening and the experience is it's happening to me. I'm doing it. It doesn't do it. >> It's like adding meaning to everything. >> Oh, absolutely. Doesn't change. It doesn't change a thing as far as the full completeness that this is already. It makes no difference. An unhappy me is full completeness appearing as an unhappy me. A not unhappy me is full completeness appearing as a not unhappy me. It makes no difference.
44:24 >> That me is just riding alongside of everything. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. >> That thing is what's or non thing whatever it is that me is sort of obscuring everything. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's like colored glasses. >> A veil. I think I heard it called a veil. Yeah. >> Yeah. And he was born out of the environment like because we were born and then there's people talking and we get constant. >> No, it's not like that. It it arises in the body. Well, kind of in the body for no reason. But the the it some of its
45:11 maturation comes from the experience that everyone else has a me. The confirmation everyone around you says, "Yeah, you're a me. I'm a me." >> But just it's born like naturally. Yeah. Yeah. >> Is there a differentiation between soul and spirit? >> Oh, no. Well, no, there isn't a soul or a spirit. >> Oh, well, straight is in the bottle.
45:56 There isn't anything separate. There isn't a separate identity. There isn't a an intelligence beyond this. There isn't something else acting on this. There isn't anything to go and be reborn again. It it just it isn't like that. This is the whole of it. >> So oneness wholeness. Oneness I find a little bit of a confusing term just because it's not separate to become whole. So it can't become one. >> It's just not two. >> Unity. Is that the same? >> Yeah. I mean they you call anything you like pizza. It really it really can't be encompassed in a sense but not to
46:41 oneness. It just is like an idea that you can have, something that you could work towards. Whereas really it seems complex, complicated because it can't be known. But it's really it's the it's the simplicity of it that can't be known. It's not the complication. It's the simplicity. >> So conscious, subconscious, and superconscious. Oh yeah, but those are psychological terms. All that still I mean you can still therapy works all that stuff more or less therapy works. What what can't happen is there can't be a movement towards wholeness.
47:27 So psychology works in the psychological reality of it of separation and it can help sometimes hurt sometimes not do anything sometimes but it's just it's still within that separate reality >> still a concept. >> It's well separate reality isn't a concept. It's an experience and it within that dream world of experience it can make the experience better but that's that dream world of experience is still the experience of separation and there'll be fundamentally a dissatisfaction with that a disease a need. So in this video what is this in this
48:15 way of perceiving it then >> what which way >> um in what we're discussing >> no there's not it's not a perception >> in the way it is >> so when this body dies >> then >> nothing happened it's the same as anything else it's just a leaf following a body dying to the individual it's important because if knowing is it is the value of its life and the death of the body seems like the indiv its ability to know or experience. So, it's a big deal. But that's a dream. That body doesn't belong to anyone. There isn't anyone. >> Then when when the bodies are born,
49:01 >> nothing's happening. It's just a body dying. It's just happening. Light and color and sound form happening. Nothing happening. Happening is light, color, and sound. It feels like there's one other being like tactile in addition to light color. top. Would you Are you >> That's all right with me. We can go through a list. We can make >> Okay. That's That's the one that feels like the most like Could you compare
49:47 this to like a dream? >> Yeah. >> Dreams kind of feel like light color and sound to me. And it's like the tactile feeling sense that feels like this is real. >> Yeah. Well, for the individual that's closer to it, isn't it? >> This is my It's not an identification. And it's an experience that this is my body. These are my senses. This is happening to me. So for the individual the the sense is I am very important. My body is really important. For the individual actually the sense is I am the most important thing in the universe because its experience is I am the center of the universe which is a
50:33 pretty important position. And so it's all about me. >> So without the belief in the name, let's say that's dropped. What is the visceral bodily sense? >> What the what is the body sense? >> Yeah. Is there a difference once that's Um yes. Um just so the me that that um it's a it's really a physical disease that is like this
51:19 and the manifestation in those sort of terms is is well it's needy. It's neediness. It feels like it needs something. That's not a judgment. It just feels like something needs to be added. This is somehow incomplete. I need I need to feed. And so it feeds and that's kind of a stress feeding all the time. Feeding feeding and that is represented in that contracted energy. Out of that comes that and so that goes but the misunderstanding is there would be somebody here that experiences that that not being there that isn't like that. There's and that that here was only recognized that none of it was recognized and only in the falling away of it only in the sessation of it was
52:06 like I had no idea that's what was happening >> right >> all the meditation and all the other stuff it just all related to my experience >> more of it >> yeah yeah so it was only in the sessation of it that it was like oh whoa Pac-Man. >> Pac-Man. Yeah. >> Was there a sound when >> Yeah. [Laughter] [Music] >> If uh the only thing that exists is this unity? Yeah.
52:51 >> Why we don't feel like that? >> Oh, it's not a feeling. >> Why? It seems separated. It seems like >> there is no reason for there to be a me or no me. There's no a reason or a why would be separation. There's something really happening and there's a cause of something really happening. That would be why there isn't anything really happening. There is Oh, you missed the beginning. Oh, well. Catch the next one. No, no. What I said, what I said in the beginning is that this is fresh and new,
53:36 unknowable. So, in that sense, it's not tuness. There isn't an explanation for it. It's new. So, there's no explanation. There's no why. Why is the mi wanting an answer? It's wanting it to know how to get out, how to make sense of this, which is just looking for another experience. But what's longed for is sitting in a chair. What's longed for is already happening. That's it. That's what's longed for. And then within that nothingness happening, there's an experiencer that says, "This isn't it. I need to know something. It's hidden from me. It isn't hidden. It's exactly that.
54:41 >> It does really feel like there's two realities. >> Oh, totally. To the me. Yeah. Oh tiny. >> Yeah, I I'll do that. I'll talk about two realities. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Absolutely. But that's just But there I also made clear there isn't a two realities, >> right? >> Yeah. But to the me, it seems like I'm talking from a reality that's different from there. >> That that's a me and this isn't a me and those are two realities. But if you listen, what really I'm saying is that all there is is wholeness or nothing happening. So there's the appearance of two realities is just nothing appearing as two realities. There aren't two. >> It feels like the the me is like
55:29 it feels like it's getting like torn or there's I don't know, you know, nothing's happening, but also it's like >> Yeah. But that's nothing being appearing as being torn. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's beautiful. It's like it's it's like it's nothing. It it actually doesn't matter. And then the me will come in and try to like okay this like means that this >> and that and that doesn't matter. >> Yeah. >> The me is trying to the me will go I shouldn't be thinking that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. As if you can get closer to nothing. >> Yeah. I think it's like oh like no story >> is the solution. >> That's the solution. >> And then Yeah. Yeah. I did have that sort of realization like a couple days ago where it was just like the story of my life in quotes was like just clear
56:17 and it just didn't matter. It was just like a story like like fiction almost >> where it was just like the magic of the story and it wasn't like didn't actually mean anything. >> Yeah. >> And it because for so long it was like oh there needs to be like no story or right there's like a an aversion like a rejection. >> Yeah. >> Love is is the reason we can call this unconditional love is because it doesn't it doesn't need to pull or push or or exclude or include because it's already everything even the story. >> Yeah.
57:20 Like sometimes it feels like we have to find this find for this conscious conscious. >> Yeah. >> But uh in some some way uh there is no it doesn't matter if you have conscious about this that we are talking or there is no conscience. You just live your life and it's okay. >> Yeah. Well, there isn't. It's not okay. It's not okay. But it's also not not okay. There's not an okay or not okay. It's just what is >> like we can choose. >> Well, there isn't anyone to choose. Yeah.
58:08 [Music] Can you talk a little bit in that sense about the consciousness and the awareness that is just a part of the illusion of being separated? >> Yeah. Well, it only makes sense to call it that if you if it's something that the individual can know because what you're talking about is the experience I am conscious or I am aware. That's separation. >> I am. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> What is consciousness or awareness if there isn't anyone to name it? >> No, it's not consciousness and awareness, is it?
59:08 So consciousness and awareness is also a concept. It's also >> No, no. I from at least in the story of Jim, it was more of an experience that I could be more conscious. I could be conscious awareness. I could be that sort of you know broad state of knowingness in a way the I amness. >> But is the I amness knowable or still? >> Well, fundamentally the I amness is the only knowable experience the individual can have without reference to anything else. It's like the only true thing in the individual's experience. It's just an illusion though. [Laughter]
59:57 Can you just elaborate one more time on the I am this again? What you just said? >> Oh, it's so the individual's experience or its story is all sort of an accumulation of knowledge or experience which is a which is a reference to something else something that happened in its own experience. The only thing it can have without any doubt is the experience of I amness. Not everybody can get there. But there's an experience of I amness which isn't a reference to anything else. So it's the only thing it can truly know. It's and it is the core and beginning of the experience of separation. I know. >> Right. Because it knows that. >> Yes. >> Right. >> And it and really in a sense it loves that. It's something it has and it knows and it's the first thing that it has and
1:00:44 knows and it feels in a way secure. What it doesn't recognize is that that knowing is also a demand simultaneously. It's a demand to become >> right. >> Yeah. >> Would be like the Adam and Eve. >> Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. >> It almost feels like just >> Yeah. Yeah. to Oh, it does. Well, the the dream >> the dream starts there. Yeah. >> Wow. I am >> I know I am. >> How about this? I >> Yeah. Well, when it when it arises, it actually there's a a hearness which is the first thing that comes and then there's a knowing of that which is the I am >> which happens timelessly and also it's a
1:01:32 dream. Is that is that similar to what you would call like a glimpse of like the larger capital S self like that type of thing is the I am consciousness that you're talking about? >> No, not the experience I'm talking about. No, there are there's all sorts of realizations and experiences. You could realize God, but it all all that stuff only happens to an individual.
1:02:26 It's simple what we're talking about. What's longed for? It's It's simple. It literally is this room. It literally is looking out of the eyes. I mean, there's just nothing else but what's longed for. >> Yeah. [Laughter] >> Not for me, right? >> Yeah. >> It's exactly that. It's like there's a Yes. But >> Oh, totally. Yeah. Just give me some knowledge. >> Something. >> Give me something
1:03:12 >> or shoot me. >> Or I offer that service. >> That's the advanced direct. >> You do have to pay upfront. That's right. [Music] >> And you won't even know it's coming. Yeah. >> There's nothing you can do. >> Well, there isn't anyone.
1:04:00 >> I forgot that. They like to think that there's something special about this me here and not at home in McDonald's. >> Yeah. Well, the MI part of the MI's experience is that I'm special. It's it's special. >> But the the seeking itself, you know, the the looking for that we kind the me think it's puts a weight or or think
1:04:45 it's special looking for. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Definitely. >> Well, but no matter what it was doing, it would think it was special. >> Because the experience of being separate, that individual is one of being special. Fair enough. It's the center of the universe.
1:05:34 There is a big relaxation though. >> Yeah. >> About knowing there is not anything. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> I was thinking though like me signs up for a course where he comes to hear that he doesn't exist. Yeah. >> So then and he comes again and again. >> Yeah. >> And then so maybe this me also wants to get rid of this story. >> Yeah. In in the story that makes sense. There just isn't a story. There isn't an again and again. >> Looks like >> Oh yeah. Yeah.
1:06:20 >> The repetition. There isn't a repetition. >> This is new. >> So, it's just fresh with the idea of memory. Fresh with the idea of memory. >> Well, memory is fresh, >> right? >> It's all fresh and new. Is there any way that we can experience that that there's no again and again and everything is fresh and new. >> You know, there there are ways, but it's just another experience. You it wouldn't be what we're talking about, but there are sort of ways that can sort of logically get to know time and all those
1:07:06 things. Science will even tell you there's no time, but it's just something else to know >> because Yeah. I have trouble kind of >> Oh, well that's the whole point. >> Yeah. that but that is what we're talking about is that nothing is God. There isn't anyone to get it. The whole idea of letting go is the is the the illusion that there's something owned or had but there already isn't
1:07:54 So, is it your your me that tells you the story that would be a good idea for us to have this meeting? >> Is is it my me? >> You I know my mind I think is so confused because it thinks that not being attached to the story is to have a peaceful life and there is no action, nothing to do. Yeah. >> So when someone who has reached this consciousness decides to do a meeting for me is so inspiring because >> in my story I believe that is coming out of like >> let me take these people out of this illusion to show that there is something else. >> Yeah. >> So is that an inspiration like a movement feel? >> No. >> You want to talk more about why why you
1:08:40 do this? >> No. I I don't. >> Okay. No, the MI lives in a world. If there's a Mi, then the experience is there are Mi's in all the bodies. When there isn't a me, there aren't any Mi. So, there isn't anyone there to tell anything. And there isn't anything to tell. It's exactly the same there as it is here. So much so, there isn't a there and a here. No, I do it for the money. [Music] >> Yeah.
1:09:28 >> If you charge more, there probably more people. >> Yeah. No, I mean there just isn't any sort of sense that there's anyone to tell anything to, but there is a joy, a real passion, a love. >> It's just gorgeous. It's just really beautiful. >> So I think what my mind is looking for, it's okay to follow that passion. >> It's not okay or not okay. There isn't anyone to choose. There's simply what happens >> about label it. >> No, it's not about label. That would be another path. This hasn't reached a state of consciousness. And there isn't a me here that's detached.
1:10:14 There is no separation. Everything is nothing. Nothing has meaning or purpose or intention. What's longed for is already done. It's done. There's no way to reach it because it's already done. All efforts to reach it are the dness trying to be done. Makes no difference to it being done or not being done. So this is just nothing appearing as a meaning without any reason without well without any meaning without any purpose. This isn't trying to tell you anything.
1:11:00 I asked because I felt this joy of of doing groups myself and lately I have been questioning if it's worth it at all if it's nothing then why I'm organizing all these groups and traveling everywhere and then I do feel this love >> well you don't you don't do it >> and then what >> no you don't do it already >> the individual is the dream that I've been doing all these. How will life work if I'm not doing it? Well, no one ever did it. It just happens. It just happens a little bit easier if there isn't anyone telling a story about it. Airplane rides still suck. But >> yeah, I know it's not so bad, but
1:12:02 So really one thing is just experiencing anything that happens at every single moment >> in a way. I wouldn't say it like that. There's there isn't one thing and there isn't anything separate to experience it. There's just what is which is nothing. All at once. It's everything all at once and it's nothing.
1:12:47 How does the >> How does >> the me? >> There is no one. >> There is no me. >> But it looks like, right? >> Oh, for the me for the me it looks like there's a me in everybody. >> Yeah. >> Here there isn't anyone there. >> It would be impossible. I understand there might be a story, but the story is no evidence of there being a me. It's just a story. There isn't enough time for there to be a me. There isn't enough solidity for there to be someone that has something separate. I understand the story. I understand just hears it.
1:13:33 >> It's not true though. You said this is happening too. >> Yeah. >> But but it will never have happened. >> Yeah. >> Can you reconcile that? >> Oh, no. It's the same thing. >> It will never have happened. >> Yeah. And it is happening. >> But it is happening. >> Yeah. It was simpler to say nothing happening. >> Okay. That's the reconation. It's nothing. >> Yeah.
1:14:27 and it makes no difference. >> No, what they mean do or does not do. >> Well, it doesn't actually do anything. It has an effect on on how this appears, but it doesn't have any choice or valition. The effect comes out of the sense that this is in some way incomplete. And so there's a there's there's a drive that comes out of that. Builds churches and believes in gods and meditates a lot. And it does those things, but it doesn't have any real effect because it's all still nothing appearing. It has an apparent effect.
