0:15 Thank you so much for being with us today for this interview and we will start by introducing this uh session with a a little bit of background of yourself for those who are not familiar with your material. Many people know you as the pioneer for Islamic esquetology. First question, could you please tell us what led you exactly to Islamic esquetology? We begin with Allah's blessed name. We
1:02 praise him and we glorify him because he ought to be praised and glorified and we pray for peace and blessings on all his noble messengers including the last of them all the blessed prophet Muhammad. I'm happy Muhammad Amin to be here in Louis about 50 kilometers from Paris here on the 25th day of the month of Jama of the year 1447. and uh happy to respond to your question concerning what is it which provoked me to bio
1:49 Islamic esquetology. First of all, I am I was a PhD student at the graduate institute of international studies in Geneva University initute in Geneva and I had chosen as my PhD topic postcaliflam and the search for a new Islamic public order. The director of the institute, Professor Jacqu Freeman,
2:35 accepted that he would be the director of my thesis. But he said to me, Imran, I have no knowledge of Islam. I want you to search the world of Islam for Islam who can be invited to join me to direct your thesis. I was on the way at that time of Islamic esqueology. I had not yet studied the subject of properly and I was still tinkering with the idea that perhaps there was something beyond the state which would be workable in the world of
3:21 Islam. I spent enough amount of time searching the world of Islam and wouldn't find anyone. And I realized at that time that I was knocking on the door of a branch of knowledge that did not exist at that time, Islamic especiology. And uh I wrote several chapters of the thesis, but uh only one chapter I published and it was published titled the hijab
4:09 day and that had excellent proper research work in it. I left to leave her without having defended the teachers and I thank Allah for that because it would have been embarrassment for me. I then spent probably another 25 years struggling with the subject and the river of knowledge flows at its own speed and one has to show patience. So I worked in the foreign ministry
4:55 of Trinidad and Tobago as a foreign service officer for 5 years. until I was able to re resign because if I had resigned earlier I had a student loan I had to repay but once I completed the contract because I didn't have to repay anything I didn't resign my job I didn't want to remain a diplomat no and then I started to travel and I ended up in New York that's the best city in the world to study against that's the city which is the major world all the world of Islam is located there in New York and I spent 10 to 12 years
5:44 in that place I was interacting with Christian ministers with Jewish rabbis with Muslims from all different parts of the world I was conducting the jan delivering at the United Nations headquarters in Manhattan for 10 years and every time I would go there for Juma after we sit for for lunch in the cafeteria and I'll be interacting with diplomats from different parts of the world. This was a tremendous learning experience for me living in New York and I began to understand first of all the economic
6:31 system before understanding the political system because the Jews were there and they control the economy. It took me 25 years or more to begin to understand the subject and then I wrote Jerusalem in the Quran. That was my pioneering work in Islamic esquetology. I am grateful to Allah that I did not publish that thesis because that thesis did not have esquetology. It is only with Islamic esquetology that one can write a thesis on postcalism.
7:20 May I ask you regarding this background of yours, what were the biggest challenges you were confronted with in this world of pioneering Islamic esquetology, especially in the Islamic world in military affairs. says there is something called a landmine and if you step on it it'll blow you up. If your vehicle pass on it the vehicle may blow up and the enemy plans to land mines
8:05 strategic places in order to destroy you when you try to come. So in the world of your minds and the shi these are fake hadith fake stories in the fake and they are meant to sabotage your capacity to understand the truth. truth. Nowhere is this more critically important than in the end time.
8:53 But I was fortunate to have been the student of a teacher who taught me proper methodology for the pursuit of knowledge. He defied conventional scholarship when he said that absolute truth is located only in the Quran and it is the function of the Quran to sit in judgment over everything else that the Quran is and if a hadith is in harmony with the Quran we accept
9:40 But if the hadith is in conflict with the Quran, the Quran must prevail, not the hadith. Similarly with similarly with this is the methodology for the pursuit of knowledge. Applying that methology was not easy. In the pursuit of solid the study of Islamic esquetology, I found that the most important of all events waiting to occur in history is the return of the Messiah.
10:26 And that before he returns that Allah will send someone created and programmed by Allah himself who would seek to impersonate the Messiah. And this man in order to impersonate the Messiah successfully must rule the world. So he has to achieve political rule. He has to achieve economic rule. He has to achieve intellectual rule over the world. And so now we need to study history
11:12 with a new yard stick with which to measure history. It's called the messianic interpretation of history. This was not an easy one and it took a long long time. If I had not studied international relations, if I had not studied international politics, international economics, international monetary economics, the history of international affairs, I could not Islamic escapology.
11:59 And so I had two things in my favor. I had the correct methodology not to step on any minds. I could immediately recognize for example that although this hadith is inkali and it is in Muslim and it is universally accepted by all Muslims except a few that our prophet Allah blessings be upon him married a child. He married Aisha when she was six years.
12:49 It was possible for me upon reflection and study and research to eventually come to the conclusion which astonish me that hadith that's a fake hadith because it is in conflict with the Quran similar so many other hadith pertaining to the end time which are bo and need to be recognized as such. So I was able to avoid those pitfalls because of the proper methodology and secondly because I studied international
13:35 relations in two universities and all my life I've always been a very keen observer of political events even when I was a teenager and Algeria was fighting for independence. And I was only 13, 14, 15 years of age. But I would be reading every day reading reading what is happening in Nigeria in the war of independence. These two things combined help me to overcome the obstacles in the pursuit of Islamic. This answer of yours is now giving us
14:23 the almost perfect qualities which are defining the profile of scholarship who is able to develop Islamic esquetology. But what would you advise a normal person? Someone who is only coming from dark room. What would be your advice so that he can reach inside his heart that light which will allow him to be I would say with humility walking in
15:08 your stepfoots. I have mentioned proper methodology and I have mentioned the study of the branches of knowledge pertaining to world affairs. If you want to study the if you want to study, you're not going to succeed without a knowledge of politics and economics. But there's more to it than that. And that is that it is not just that the Quran is absolute truth. It is not just that you have to have proper methodology to study the Quran. And it's more than that.
15:58 And that is that the end time is a different period of history from the rest of history. The Quran speaks about this period of time and it it describes it as the late afternoon of history and about this period of time which we study. Allah says in the all of mankind including the scholars all of mankind would be in a state of
16:43 lost in a state of intellectual drift floating on the river. Except for those who have made and who are righteous in who exalt each other to the truths, meaning the absolute truth in the Quran. That exaltation to hold on to the Quran, however, requires a different model of scholarship. from the rest of history and that is where our loom has failed.
17:33 That is where failed. They have failed to recognize that the model of scholarship prevailing all through history when it comes to the late afternoon of history is inadequate and there is another model of scholarship to replace it in the end time if you are to penetrate the reality of the world and what the Quran is teaching. in the end. And it is of the Quran which introduces us to that new model of scholarship
18:18 and that is a scholarship of he who has not only external knowledge but internal knowledge. Allah says that he gets knowledge internally received. Internally receive in to knowledge which is externally acquired. And then surah cap tells us that you will find the most learned of all men meaning the scholar of the end time. You will find him
19:10 is the ocean of knowledge externally acquired and the ocean of knowledge internally received and these two oceans of knowledge must be harmoniously integrated. So forget it. You are not going to succeed if you have two separate compartments of knowledge in your D room. One are the traditional sciences which remain unchanged. You simply have to pass on the box from one generation to another. And then you bring in you start a new faculty and in
19:55 the new faculty you put in new knowledge and these two like Mr. Jackel and Dr. Dr. decide two separate compartments of knowledge side by side. You're going to create people who are unbalanced intellectually. They will have the room education and they have the university education and they don't know how to reach them. That is not is something that is intellectually far superior to that
20:40 is where the two oceans of knowledge are harmoniously integrated with each other. And you cannot achieve that integration unless and until you can penetrate the reality of what the Quran is teaching. You cannot see that all the knowledge of the Quran is already there. No new knowledge is to come that is sali and the Quran is an inexhaustible source of knowledge. It will it's like a fountain which will never stop flowing.
21:27 So new water will be constantly coming out of that fountain. In order for you to be eligible for knowledge that is internally received, your heart has to be in tune with the rest of Allah's creation. Your heart has to be beating in harmony with the rest of Allah's creation because the Quran is alive. And when you pick up the Quran to recite the Quran, the Quran can watch and see your heart. And so it is necessary for us to have a
22:13 certain kind of a backboard of remaining faithful to the truth, remaining faithful to Allah messenger regardless of the price you pay. Most of our scholars are dependent on a salary and if that salary is lost they're helpless. So he who pays the piper calls the Jew that is our predicament. Where do you find a scholar of Islam who has
23:00 independence for his livelihood? He earns his livelihood independently. You can't fight. Such a man would proclaim the truth without consequences. If his government is betraying the religion, he will declare his government is betraying the religion. The rest are to put their tail between their legs and be quiet. Such people cannot be colors. This part of your answer when you said his heart needs to be in harmony with the creation of Allah. Is this the quality of that Allah gave to
23:51 the Quran points to two foundations two for the one who stands at it speaks of What about now? So you have to be someone who is receiving knowledge of the river flowing from above and also someone who essence is kindness. These two qualities must be there and kindness and rashma cannot live in the
24:39 same house with intellectual arrogance cannot. So one must be intellectually humble. But at the same time, one has to have that firmness of intellectual personality that he would not sacrifice the truth and he would not compromise the truth. Our prophet Allah's blessing be upon him said it so beautifully. Not even with the sun in my right hand, the moon in my left hand will I compromise the truth. Okay, thank you. Let us now turn to the
25:28 content of our interview today inshallah with the first question which is regarding to the beginning of time when Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala ordered to the angels to bow down to Adam he said after he was created and after Allah threw into him or blew into him from his spirit. El rejected that order. The Quran said the question is was he being arrogant when he refused the saga
26:15 or was he being madly in love with the only one in front of which whom he bows down. This is a reflection that I found in some books from earl. It was most certainly not love for Allah that led him to diseas. It was arrogance on his part. He considered himself to be superior
27:06 and I am superior because of this or that or the other reason and Allah is writing on the first page of the first chapter of history the satanic character The satanic behavior that must be recognized and condemned of people who declare themselves they are born superior. They have a birthight of superiority over others compared to others. We are the chosen of
27:53 the Lord God. Compared to us, they are like cockroaches. That conduct is condemned on the very first page of history. We find that conduct everywhere in the world in which nationalism emerged. Our nation is superior and because we are belong to this nation, the French nation, the British nation, the American nation, we are superior to others. And this arrogance of superiority
28:41 now leads to conduct in which you commit injustice and oppression. Nowhere in the world today do we see it more starkly exhibited with more bloodshed than in Gaza where the Israelites is Jews consider the Palestinians to be less than human. We are the models of human beings. They are less than human. They're less than animals. This contempt for other people is there in that arrogance. We saw this arrogance whenever the European people spread out
29:27 in the world and took control of power in the world. They treated the native people as cockroaches. In the United States of America, the American Indians suffered ethnic cleansing because they were not human beings. They were less than human beings. And when Islam came to the world, it came with the message of human fraternity. All the prophets of Allah all of them preach the gospel of human fraternity which is different from Shan.
30:14 Our prophet Allah's blessings be upon him said all of mankind would stand before Allah on judgment day as equal in his sight as are the teeth of a co. So when the beast refused to bow down before because of his arrogance, we can now discern a link between that arrogance and the tree in Jenna prohibited from approaching.
31:04 When he did approach the tree, then his response was what he had. But his conduct after that his behavior was something linked with with lust because he covered himself with the leaves of the trees of but it would be a mistake mistake to conceive of this tree as a tree of sexual lust. It was a tree of lust, but not a tree of sexual lust. It was a tree
31:51 of lust for power, lust for eternal life, lust for this being born with the status of superiority. And we find the evidence of this when himself said to him this is the crucially important verse of the Quran disclosing to us the tree in Jenna. that
32:38 talking about the tree my next question is as you said what is in the beginning is at the end of history. So what is going to be the role of this tree at the end of time once evil evilness is completely erased from the face of the earth? Will we interact with this tree and how the tree will remerge in the end of history? in fact has already reemerged in the end of history.
33:24 But the tree of lust for life, lust for power, lust for rule, eternal life, eternal rule, lust for the status of superiority over others. This lust and arrogance will reemerge at the end of history, but will last only until the Messiah returns. Once the Messiah returns, this is going to disappear. Now I want to go back to the
34:14 Adamic creation. In the first paragraph of the first page of history, we are told that Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala created from Adam. So this constitutes the primordial couple, one man and one woman. But as you know from the offspring of Adam, men then married multiple wives. What causes these changes? What led this
35:00 evolution in marriage? Monogamy is a term which is located The creation of the look in the world of spiritual reality, not in the world of materiality. So it is wrong to say that history began with monogamy.
35:46 There is absolutely nothing in spiritual reality about monogamy. at all. At the level of spiritual reality, a woman can have multiple mates that is not possible material. >> So we talking about two different worlds. spiritual reality where the relationship between the male and the female is significantly different. Women don't become pregnant in the world of spiritual reality. There are no maternity hospitals in the world
36:34 of spiritual reality. So the sexual one at the level of spiritual reality and the the sexual bond at the level of material reality are two completely different things. I do I do not accept Subher at the end of time or in the end of times. What are the biggest challenges
37:22 who are going to emerge as obstacles in human marriage and what are the solutions? There are numerous obstacles which will emerge in the end times in the male female relationship. The first and perhaps this most severe of all is the prophecy of Muhammad that the last people
38:09 to follow the will be women and the man would have to return to his home and tie meaning coercively restrain his wife and sister and daughter to protect them from being seduced by the child. Hence the end time is one in which huge numbers of women are going to be brainwashed. And when a woman is brainwashed, you can talk and talk and talk and talk.
38:54 It's like pouring water on the back of a duck. Nothing will sink in. So it's a hopeless test to try to change her. And if you made the mistake of marrying her and you have children with her, then your life is going to be miserable. And so one has to be careful when marrying and having children that you have a wife who is not brainwashed and following the job. The second
39:39 big obstacle in a male female relationship in the end time is the capacity to maintain a wife and the capacity to maintain more than one wife because the prophetam spoke about slavery in the end He said that a slave woman will give birth to her mistress indicating that slavery in the end time. It's not legally defined as a slavery slavery but it is factual slavery
40:26 and this is slavery because of economic slavery slavery. People don't have the capacity to earn a livelihood. And if I cannot earn my livelihood, how will I marry? That is the predicament of the end time for people living in slavery. The third big obstacle of the end time is a feminist revolution. in which sexual relations will become as freely available as sunshine.
41:15 And our prophet prophesied at that time he says most children will be born from Zena. When Djal succeeds in making sexual relations as freely available as sunshine and our young men now participate in invigorate sex relations zest in the heart and if your no in your heart departs from you and you have only
42:01 darkness inside of you. You just like sheep and cattle. You have no tune, you will dance to that tune. And so now, not only do women be seduced by themselves, but more than that, they destroy men, the capacity of a man to be able to see with because women destroy true. And then of course you have the prophecy of he said that women will be dressed and yet naked. woman will be dressed and yet naked and
42:48 we see that already in the world today. We have this other strange phenomenon at the end time in the male female relationship that women will be dressed like men with a jacket and a trousers and a tie. Imagine an Indonesian woman just from the village and she takes a job as a security guard. And you see this village girl walking like a village girl.
43:34 She still has a feminine walk, but she's dressed in a jacket and a trouser and a tie and a hat. And she looks so funny. Women now declare weak. Woman could do anything that a man does. As she pursues a life that is a public life rather than the private life, women begin to lose their femininity. As the personality becomes begins to
44:20 change and they lose the feminine qualities of the personality and men are now beginning to be turned off from women but the sexual urge is there is there and then you see Shan seducing the man towards homosexuality. and seducing the woman towards lesbianism. These are monsters that will appear in the end time. You see also the prophet mentioning the hadith the prophecy that no one else will ever prophesy
45:07 that in the end time one man will have to maintain 50 women have to maintain 50 women Allah's creation does not change. Allah will not ordain a system of creation in which he creates one man to 50 women. Allah would not do that. So this has to be the result of human effort, human corruption that something will come which will affect and damage the male sperm.
45:56 What is it that can damage the male sperm in such a way that the male sperm is not capable anymore of producing a baby boy? And when a baby boy is not born, the default is a baby girl. Could it be the electromagnetic waves which are now corrupting this atmosphere all around us? Could it be that these electromagnetic waves are affecting the male? This is the subject of medical. But I'm just offering you a hypothesis.
46:44 There must be something which explains Why is it that baby girls are going to be born? Very rarely would a baby boy be born when we live in a world in which there are 50 women to one man to be maintained. Could it be because large numbers of men now abdicate their responsibility to maintain women. It's no longer convenient for me to work to maintain a woman. I have to go to live my life free from that headache. I can get a woman without having to marry her.
47:31 Could it be that there's going to be wars in which huge numbers of men are going to be killed and this is going to be part of the result? The result result of this would be this grave imbalance between men and women. Whatever be the reason, sorry. How do we respond? How do we deal with the problem of one man having to maintain 50 women? If the woman are elderly, then all that she needs is food and clothing and shelter and someone to guard and protect her. But if the woman is young, she will have biological needs. And if those biological needs are not
48:17 satisfied, then she can either end up in a mental hospital or in a garbage bin. I don't want my daughter to end up in a mental hospital or a garbage bin. So I have to think of something. These are my daughters, my granddaughters in years to come. How do we solve this problem? The problem can be resolved if we turn to the Quran for the miracle is a but we say to the mi yes slavery is now abolished
49:05 legally. No more save but they're saving the world and therefore we have to find a way and means to apply today so that these young women will be able to get satisfaction for their biological needs in a way which is speaking about the and these will be my last questions inshallah do we have evidence of the time he was created first. Can we find any evidence which points
49:51 out to when was he created? The only thing to which we can turn to answer this question is the statement of a prophet Allah blessing be upon him. Every prophet has warned his people about the and the prophet no or Noah warned his people. And so from this hadith we would know
50:36 that Adam knew about the whether the was already created or not. The hadith does not tell us but the knowledge about the is present there from the very first prophet of Allah. When the Messiah will comes back will come back in how exactly will Allah deal with Gog and Mog.
51:22 Now the prophet Jesus will descend according to Muhammad descend from above with his hands resting on the wings of two angels and he will descend in a mid in Damascus. I have written a book entitled the Messiah, the the Messiah, the Quran. And in that book, I devote some time to this subject.
52:08 What happens when he returns? I advise the listening the viewing audience to read that book. After he kills that, then we learn about the Messiah. Now becoming a just ruler of a prophet blessing be upon him
52:55 prophesy that he would be a just ruler and that he would rule from Jerusalem. But our prophet also said, At that time when Jesus returns, we will have an imm.
53:51 The reason why we had a philina is because Makkah drove us out. That is why otherwise. So we have from these two hadith we have a state in Makkah and Isaam is not sent to disorah says that he is
54:36 He is not sent to this. He is sent to them by and he is. So there is a state in Jerusalem as well and this is a ruling state and all not that one in Mecca at that time when he returns. However he goes to Jerusalem. Jerusalem push has to declare the governing of God because God control power in Jerusalem. That's what happen now.
55:21 >> Yeah. So he he goes up a mountain with the believers and life is difficult and the mountain is surrounded by but he then prays to Allah to destroy him and Allah then wages biological war on them and they attack at the top of the spine. by maybe a virus and because their immune system is already demolished. When they attack by this virus, they have no defense. No.
56:08 And by next morning they're all dead. First of all, they fall paralyzed and by next morning they all dead and their body become begin to decompose and smell. And then Allah says big birds with necks were cannons, prehistoric birds. And these birds picked up these bodies and dropped them where they are to be. That is the final end of >> but before the final end of there is a second name.
56:53 The second re results in God being checked in the north. So no more God could consult. No more when the second current name takes place the only that we left in the world will be those already in Jerusalem. So when Allah destroyed God and in Jerusalem there are no more in history. Whatever they are
57:40 in the second when Allah destroys the world they will be destroyed. Okay. And this is the last question. Actually this answer leads us to this question. You have not identified in its second impact on history with anyone. Can we say that it is the system of combined with which can be identified to this name?
58:28 in public in France. There are some things I cannot say. So I had to stop. I could not go on publicly to identify her name second. But this is not in public. >> No. >> Yeah. visible internet. So what I could not say at the mid in Louis I can say it now the second of
59:15 must take place because that's why Allah referred to him as the first of occurred thousands of years before the Quran was revealed. The second kind of name did not occur as yet when the Quran was revealed and since the Quran was revealed. No human being, not Alexander who died thousands of years ago, not Cyrus or Darius who died thousands of years ago and is gone.
1:00:01 Gone from history will not return. No human being can be so human being lives for thousands of years. But if the sheep and the cattle and the goats and the camel insist that Zul is Alexander or Cyrus or let the sheep and cattle do what they want. It's not important for history. It's not important for scholarship. What is scholarship is to recognize a zul is someone who impacts on history twice.
1:00:48 And since no human being can live for a few thousand years, the solo name cannot be someone in history. So I would say perhaps a transcendental being but that's not important to me. That is not important to me. If it's important for you, you go and solve your problem and buy a bottle of tablets for your headache. Now then we now come to the second of when are going to be checkmated for the second time. And we said that since
1:01:39 the direction of the setting of the sun and it came to the sea to the black sea and that is where we go experience for the first time where power emerged in the region of the Black Sea, power resting on the foundations of faith. And that power was used to resist the oppressor, to punish the oppressor, to punish those who are wicked, committing acts of injustice. And that power was used to help
1:02:27 the people who are righteous and have faith. Reward them for their feet and righteousness. When the second of it is to that region of the world we must bear attention. When will we see when will we see power emerging in that region of the world which will have this profile? When we do the homework, we find that there are several candidates since the revelation of the Quran.
1:03:15 The first significant candidate was the Ottoman Empire. The second significant candidate was the Soviet Union. And now today we have a third significant candidate which is a Russia which is returning to her Christian heart. We say God could not sorry could not have come the second occasion
1:04:10 in And has still not been check native. So the Ottoman Empire does not qualify. But if any fool wants to declare his Ottoman Empire, leave him in his foolishness. The Soviet Union could not be the second of her name because the Soviet Union had power. Yes. But power resting on the foundations of atheism. God isn't. So we see now that Russia is returning to our Christian heart and Russia is resisting the oppression of the west.
1:04:57 When Russia recovered Crimea in 2014, then for the first time, Russia commanded the entire Black Sea. So I gave a lecture in 2014 from Malaysia which is 11 years ago that the world is now witnessing the commencement of the second car. Thank you. This was my final question. Maybe I can add something on a personal
1:05:43 level. What do you think of the future of Islamic esquetology? Our prophet Allah blessing be upon him said by is like the rain. It is not known which shower is better. the first or the last. I hold the view as the last shower of rain while has a military part of it
1:06:28 must also have an intellectual part of it. Afghanistan knows how to fight but Afghanistan doesn't have a knowledge. The Islamic resistance in Gaza they call themselves they know how to fight but they most certainly don't have the knowledge. So while we do have evidence already that this is Jerusalem and we can see the last shower of military rain beginning to fall
1:07:15 the way we fought in Afghanistan, the way we fought in Gaza. We do not yet see the last show of intellectual re but I can see ahead of me that the last show of intellectual re in this will not come from the muty will not come from the economist will not come from the political scientist it will come from theologist the Islamic esquetology the shine to be the brightest light of all in the end time.
1:08:02 Thank you so much. You're welcome. All s I
