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0:06 Hello and a warm welcome to HW News Network, your one-stop show, truth be told for some engaging and thoughtprovoking conversations. The war theft campaign by Rahul Gandhi and especially after the expose which he made on 7th August has gained traction and as the days are passing by a huge crowd is swelling each day and it seems that the campaign looks credible to the people. People feel that their votes have been stolen. But what will really happen to the Bihar elections and amidst this Bihar elections lots of strange things are happening. It seems that there are clear signs of the Modi government being nervous. Now say for example all of a sudden Jade Dhanker the
0:51 former vice president resigned. After that uh we saw that towards the end of the monsoon session the government got in the 130th constitution amendment bill which has no logic except that uh the intention is very clear to topple the opposition ruled uh state chief ministers and for names sake they have also added the prime minister for the removal as what uh the salient features of the bill are. So we'll try and talk about this entire scenario the way the things are unfolding and not to forget that there is a huge chatter on the social media about how there is a tiff between uh SJ Shankr and Mr. Ajid do
1:36 then there is a clash between the two corporatebacked think tanks one is the RF that is the observer research foundation which is backed by the Amanis and CRF that is the Chintam research foundation which is backed by the Adani so what's really happening in the political corridors how does one make out and uh are signs for Modi's exit becoming clearer and clearer as the time is passing by uh joining me this evening is veteran politician and former External affairs minister Mr. Yashwan Sahha joins us uh this evening. Mr. SA thank you so much for joining and always a pleasure having you on the program and my first question to you sir is that the manner in which the vote theft campaign is evolving and all the expose which has been done by Rahul Gandhi election
2:23 commission is not ready to admit any of the flaws. In fact, they have become more and more brazen. And what I was reading this morning that they have also agreed not to listen to the Supreme Court because the BLAS uh and the BLOS's are saying that we need a written order to allow the Aadhaar card to be accepted. So that written order obviously has to come from the election commission and if despite the Supreme Court orders, if the election commission has not given a written order to the BLOS's, then what happens? The deadlock and the stalemate continues and what are we to assume then? Nu g we are passing through a very critical phase in the history of democracy in this
3:10 country. Uh those in power are determined to stay in power by hook or by crook. Now if they feel threatened from any quarter then the only instrument that they have in their hand is to suppress that voice that person and you refer to the former vice president Jagib Dhankar this is what has happened to him I mean can you imagine that the vice president of India is just Lapata.
3:57 He's he's just gone missing for over 30 days now. The country does not know anything about him. This can only happen in a country like North Korea. It cannot happen in a democracy like India. But this is happening. So all democratic norms and uh proprieties are falling apart in our country and as I said those who are in power are determined to be in power they have their allies you know let's not minimize uh the threat because the way the election commission has behaved throughout this period when uh the vote
4:42 chi for stealth stealing of votes charge has been leveled against them by Rahul Gandhi and other leaders in the opposition and the Bihar movement has started the election commission is becoming more and more brazen isn't it the the press conference of the chief election of election commissioner was a political press conference it was not the press conference conference of a former IS officer or somebody who runs an institution like the election commission. So you know the the the whole arrangement here is that you get your
5:30 nominees to head every institution of democracy in this country and then through them misuse that institution to ensure that you remain in power forever. What Rahul Gandhi is doing is that for the first time in 11 years he has picked up an issue and he has gone to the ground in Bihar and at the ground level he's started a movement and the way things are turning out the way he's receive being welcomed by the people of Bihar it is quite clear that he's appealing to the people of Bihar they are seeing that things are not
6:16 right and they want to set right these things and they see a hope in Rahul Gadi in Tasuad that they'll be able to set it right at least in Bihar and the elections will not be stolen as they have been stolen in the past but uh what is the possibility you see now the people have come out on the street and obviously they are opposing there is a dominant feeling that the votes have being stolen. But uh given the brazeness of the election commission of the Modi government, Anurra Takur coming out and saying and all sorts of things nothing is applied on the ruling side but everything is applied on the opposition or what does it go to show that they will obviously win Bihar
7:03 elections or you see that in all likelihood it's going to be the India alliance which is going to form the government. I am praying to God that NDA does not win the Bihar election and that to by stealth by stealing votes because if they do that then the only option left to the people is to come out in the streets and hold peaceful protests. There is no other way because if you are controlling every uh organ of government, every institution of democracy in the government and misusing them and winning
7:50 elections, then what is the alternative which is available to the people to come out in the on the streets and protest against this. So I hope they will not be um able to win the Bihar elections. people will rise. Bihar has been a land of revolutions and um uh you know we Bihar has taught lessons to bigger autocrats than Modi G and Shahi and uh this time also the people will wake up. It's a difficult battle I must admit because in every assembly constituency 20,000 or more votes are being deleted.
8:35 Votes which will not have gone to the BJP and they are being deleted. So 20,000 is a big number isn't it? For any um for any uh assembly constituents is a big number. This is the whole game plan that with the help of the election commission many people Mr. that you're talking about these 20 and 25,000 votes per constituency. Even I have interviewed experts who've said that this is the game plan what you're pointing out to delete 25,000 votes per Vidhan Sabha seat and if that is already done because the political parties are trying hard but with the little time which is left today is already 25th of August they have another six days before the final electoral role is published on
9:21 1st of September. So obviously the political parties do not have the wherewithal and neither do they have the time which is sufficient. So which means that the stealth will happen or the vtory will happen and then what what ultimately is it going to manifest into. This this is a very serious point that you have raised and my own take on this is that if Modi Shahad along with the election commissioner are determined to create a situation where they will delete those votes which would not have gone to them would have gone to the opposition party candidate and uh win the election then it will create a very serious
10:06 situation. in the country, not only in Bihar. It will create a very serious situation in the country and people will be left with no option except to hit the streets. And would we want our democracy to uh to to collapse into a chaos of that kind? It's going to be a huge chaos. nothing will work and they will remain in government in Delhi or wherever but the rate will not run. You you mentioned by way of introduction that um there are rumors that um you know various agencies of government and people in high positions are not seeing eye to eye with
10:52 each other. Why is that situation a reason? Could you ever imagine a situation where J Shankar and Dwal will not get along that um other people in the government will not get along with each other? What does it show? It shows the declining power of Prime Minister Modi. He's not in control as he used to be. His rit does not run like it used to run before. And people are seeing the writing on the wall that he is on his way out. And so therefore, why should they uh cross the line or go beyond what is permissible? [Music]
