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0:00 If you were tasked with making the world believe that Jeffrey Epstein was dead and getting him out of that prison without anyone knowing to wherever he's going to go to get facial surgery and live out his life, how would you do it? Oh, you would take out the body, whether it's a a body double or, you know, made out of silicone or whatever. Take it out in full view of everybody. That's how I would do it. Let as many people as possible see this body so that reasonable people can agree to disagree. They did do that. >> Mhm. >> Hello, I'm John Kuryaku and I'm here to

0:47 [ __ ] [ __ ] up. You're like the most famous guy on the internet now. I don't recognize your normal voice. It's killing me. >> I know, right? I don't know how this happened. It just happened. Like literally overnight. It just happened. Can we pull up the latest one that we put up, thief? Yeah. >> Let's get John's live reaction. So, when this was happening, when you and I did episodes 278 and 279 together, which was a year ago, >> I remember this was probably like an

1:34 hour 20ome minutes into the first episode, and I remember this whole Lincoln thing coming up out of nowhere. Like, ah this is cool. He's a Lincoln collector. And then you look at me with a dead straight face and you're like, yeah, I was trying to buy Lincoln's last turd. And I at the time we had Allessie in the studio and I'm I'm I'm like turning to Allessie like this this [ __ ] get the series and then you're like oh yeah I was trying to buy it. So when this all started to break like Danny on on our editing team and and I were we're were looking at stuff I'm like you got to make the Lincoln [ __ ] star. So he he did. Let's run it. >> Can people see this Steve? >> Yeah. >> All right let's roll. >> Show museum. And it was a museum of circus freak shows from the 1800s and stuff that had been in these circus sideesh shows. They have the shadow box hanging on the wall and there's a

2:19 >> dried out turd >> and it says it's >> Abraham Lincoln's final turd. >> Come on. So it says on the card it said when he arrived at Ford's Theater he had to drop a deuce and so before he got seated he went to the men's room >> and he dropped a deuce in the chamber pot >> and then he went back to watch the play >> and he got shot. >> Somebody had the presence of mind >> and they say presence in mind >> for the sickness. Well, >> but there are a lot of linking collector. >> I see an article in the Washington Post about six months later saying it's going out of business and they're going to auction everything off. So, I told my wife, >> I'm buying that tur. >> She's like, >> "Oh, no you're not." >> And I said, "Oh, yes, I am. I'm buying that tur." >> My wife and I actually have strong disagreements about this. We go to the auction and I >> I top out at 1,200 bucks. >> It ends up going for five grand. So, the

3:05 guy that ended up buying it sends it to some company for a DNA sample. And what they found was it had like microscopic bits of a necafer in it. But necro wafers weren't invented until 1880. >> It wasn't a [ __ ] It wasn't his. Some random guy's turn $5,000 for. >> That is one of my better stories. Oh my god. Are you familiar with Black Twitter at all? >> No. >> Oh, you're not? You need to familiarize yourself. They love you. Yo, this [ __ ] John crazy. Yo, this some words I'm not allowed to say. This [ __ ] out here just saying straight cat, but it's real. And I'm I'm [ __ ] dying reading this. >> And I'm telling you, it happened

3:50 literally overnight. >> Yeah. >> And I don't understand why. >> I know you don't. I mean, you're like, for people that don't know you personally, which is pretty much everyone out there listening, like you've lived this amazing life and done all all these incredible things or whatever, but it's always funny to talk to you like about content cuz you're like, "Oh, was that good?" I'm like, "Yeah, John, like 15 million views on something's really good." And you're like, "Okay." And you leave and we're just like, "You know what? You're happy as a clam. We'll keep it that way." >> And you know, some crazy stuff has happened since I saw you last. I've got this great friend, Tyrell Vanto, Jesse Vanto's son. Ty is one of the sweetest men I've ever I've ever met. He's just a really good-hearted, kind guy. What's up, guys? Three quick things. Number

4:36 one, if you have not already subscribed, please hit that subscribe button. It is a huge, huge help. Number two, if you'd like to join my Patreon for early uncensored releases of these episodes, you can join via the link in my description or my pin comment. And number three, if you'd like to join my clipping community for a chance to edit clips from the show and make money, you can join via the Discord link in my description below. And he calls me one night in July. And uh and he says uh he wrote a movie and Tai's Tai's a Hollywood guy. He's he's done a lot in in film. He wrote this movie. I was like, "Oh, that's cool. Good for you." And he said, "Well, you know, it's going to be this is the story." I was like, "Yeah, that actually sounds like a compelling story line." And I'm thinking, "Why is he telling me this? I'm happy for him. He's going to

5:22 write this movie." And he said, "Uh, you're going to be in my movie." And I said, "Oh, thank you. No, no, no. I'm not interested." I said, "Listen, I'll be stiff and uh unconvincing. I'm I would be a terrible actor. I've never acted before and I would wreck your movie." And he said, 'Well, I thought of that and I thought you've been you acted every day of your career when you were with the CIA. I said, 'Well, that's actually that's actually true. And he said, "So, I wrote the part specifically for you and you're going to be in the movie." So, I went to Mexico for the whole month of October. >> Wow. >> And we filmed this movie and I'm very proud to say that I am now a member of the Screen Actors Guild. >> Oh, you're in SAG now.

6:08 That's not suspicious at all. CIA guy in SAG. >> I'm also now a professional Hollywood actor. >> Were you Did you feel like you were good at it when you were doing it? I feel like you're a natural. >> No, I listen. Everybody around me, everybody else in the film was incredible. Like I would stand there just off camera watching them in awe of their ability to do this over and over and over again. scene. We would do each scene eight, 10, 12 times >> and they were so good. And they've all been in stuff. They've all been in movies and TV series and all kinds of stuff. And then the star of the movie is a a a really great guy, very generous with his time and his advice. Uh Jeff Fehee, >> I really hit it off with him.

6:53 He would stand just off camera and whisper directions to me and it made me like I guess believable enough that I didn't make an ass of myself in this movie. So we watched the first cut a couple of Saturdays ago >> and I was like this movie's actually good. >> Like I would go to the theater to watch it. >> What's it What's it about? It's about the richest guy in the world who's a cross between Elon Musk and um and uh Eric Prince and he has a son who has become his daughter and so they're estranged and he hasn't told anybody but he's dying of liver cancer >> and so he invites the the country's

7:41 preeminent lefty podcaster and the country's preeminent righty podcaster to come and he's going to tell his story for the first time and then they sort of are competing with one another how they're going to shape the story. One falls apart, the other one gets it done and then I'm the director of the guy's security detail. Uh former CIA ops officer. >> Oh, right on Q. There you go. But you had to play a bit of a tough guy, right? >> Yeah, I had to play an [ __ ] The guy was an [ __ ] >> and a liar. >> You couldn't play that? I was in a dumpster all night. That's another one that's faking the rounds. Do I smell like I've been with a woman >> and then the best is they switch it back and your voice like we later got divorced

8:28 [ __ ] let Oh my god. Oh, they start crying. >> Oh, well that's very good. I'm I'm glad you're in SAG now. So I just add it to the resume, right? >> Last night I cast my votes for the SAG awards now now called the actor awards. >> Excellent. >> I took it very seriously. They they they send everybody. They're like, you know, 50 million people that are in the SAG, so it it's not like, you know, this was anything necessarily special. It was for me. So, they send you the list of nominees. They send you links to every one of the movies and the TV series. I watched every last one of them >> and I cast educated votes. >> Good for you, John. Someone's taking it seriously. They need your type in there. >> That's right. But we we are we are here obviously as like kind of an emergency episode because of what's going on and I

9:14 know you have >> some stuff that you heard whispers in the wind if you will about Iran. So we will get to that a little bit later but I definitely want to start on the story of my lifetime I think is what I would say at this point. You and I have talked about it in the past on episodes with Epstein and you know how they've slowly rolled out this case and people have found out information over the years and now there's some files coming out and there's a lot of issues there. But I got to tell you, man, reading through these emails, >> yeah, >> sickening. There are so many things that in the past people might have presented to me, random people with, let's say, no evidence that I was like, "Come on."

10:00 >> Yeah. >> I've done the same thing. That's been my response. Like, come on. You have evidence. >> Now, when you read it, are you like me where you're like, "Well, I can't rule this out anymore." >> I will say I've got a great friend, Ben Swan, terrific investigative journalist who was laser focused on Pizzagate. And Pizzagate always sounded so insane to me that I was like, "Come on, man. What are you doing? You're going to kill your career with this Pizzagate thing." First of all, the pizza place doesn't even have a basement where they're keeping kids, right? And this clown from North Carolina drives up with an AR-15 or whatever it was, AK-47, and shoots the place up. And then he can't find a basement where the kids are being kept as sex slaves, and he, you know, gives himself up. And then we see these emails

10:45 last week about, you know, take a Viagra and then we'll go get some pizza and grape soda. Haha. It's It's nuts. >> I can't believe it in some of these cases. >> And the, you know, the the the code word usage. The the other thing, John, that's so sinister is it's almost like it was a giant, you know, [ __ ] you meme to everyone. like the worst sadistic kind because you have a guy emailing from account from an account called J E Vacation. Like you can't even make this up. That's like what your grandpa would make on an auto AOL account back in 1999 when he wanted to be hip and make an email. >> Mhm. >> You know what I mean? And they talk so flippantly, like forget the most sadistic stuff where they're talking

11:31 about >> children and the awful things they're doing to them >> like that. But they talk so flippantly about the world. And it had me rethinking what George Carlin once said. I always quote it. Everyone always quotes it. It's a big club and you're not in it. That's right. >> I think we have to fix the quote. >> It's a little club >> and you're not in it. >> We didn't even realize this little club existed within the big club. H >> I think that is fair. >> Yeah, >> I tried a psychoactive mushroom recently. You've heard me talk about it before. It's not the one everyone always talks about though. The mushroom I'm referring to is ammonita muscaria. Red one with the white spots that you've seen in folklore stories forever. It's not psilocybin and it's not a traditional psychedelic. Although at high doses, it can be extremely dissociative and psychoactive in its own

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13:06 off your entire order. Once again, that's www.antara.com/go/julian. Link in my description below. And don't forget to use code JD22 for 22% off your order. What do you think of what Tucker said about this revealing perhaps some sort of super government like su A where he said the people that you thought were the highest actually just work for the people who work for the people that are the highest. >> Isn't that the truth? I think he's on to something. >> You know, Tucker's another guy who um has been very deliberate about all this. He was never one to jump on rumor. He was always one of the guys who demanded to see evidence before he took a position. And I think even he is shocked

13:54 by what has been released. And you know there are a million other little strings that haven't been pulled yet. Don't forget there are still reportedly between three and 3.3 million documents that have not yet been released. >> Yes. >> That Pam Bondi has said won't be released. She's going to defy a bill passed 419 to1 in the House and 99 to nothing in the Senate and signed by the president and she's just going to say, "No, I'm not going to do what the bill commands me to do and release these documents." >> Do you think she's saying that or that's coming from above her? >> It has to be coming from above her. It has to be. One of these little strings that I've been trying to focus on involves uh Katherryn Remler, who was

14:41 the Obama administration's uh White House counsel. >> 11,500 emails. >> First of all, what the [ __ ] right? Like, does she do nothing all day long as the White House counsel other than chitchat with Jeffrey Epstein? Number one. Number two, there's one there's one email that she sent him saying, "John Brennan, the CIA director, gave me the CIA's highest honor today. Pretty cool, huh? Or pretty great, huh?" And then she tries repeatedly to set up a lunch between Jeffrey Epstein and John Brennan. Why? To what end? And there's a bigger question here too and that is what kind of judgment did these people

15:26 exercise? We This woman is supposed to be the president's personal legal adviser, his personal attorney, >> and and this is what she's doing. And I I have a theory that I'm confident about. Why would she be so close to John Brennan of all people? Because every Tuesday morning at 7:00, John Brennan chaired the kill list meeting. And we know that the kill list committee was chock full of attorneys, White House, NSC, CIA, DOJ, just to make sure that yeah, you can legally go out and just kill these people this week and then we'll meet up again on Tuesday and come up with another list of people to

16:13 kill. She was on the kill list committee. I'm confident of it. So, she's either murdering people or she's chitchatting with Jeffrey Epstein. Again, what kind of judgment do these people have? And then where did she go? She became the general counsel at Goldman Sachs. >> That's right. >> At least they had the presence of mind to say, "You got to go." >> That >> you can't survive this. >> I will say this, they should have done that a few years ago, >> ages ago when it was when it was first released that she was in touch with Jeffrey Epstein. You're absolutely right. >> That's right. And like you know there's just some there there's revelations of people that had stronger relationships to the point that you know they were personally in his life. I want to come back to Rumbler in

16:59 a minute because that's a big story but like Lawrence Krauss I've said this a million times sat in that chair >> two years ago got connected to him through someone else that was on the podcast. He's a physicist and then when he was coming in here we knew he had known Jeffrey Epstein. I asked him about it on the podcast. He was a nice enough guy. He's got 7500 emails with Jeffrey Epstein. So like I'd love to be like, you know, and and usually like I have a policy of not really talking against like people who have been in here and stuff like that. It's just like a part of the job. Let other people do that. But journalistically like you have to do this. And I I'm not planning on reaching out to Lawrence to ask him about this or whatever. But when you are coordinating with someone that much >> over all these years and we found out he

17:45 was trying to get Jeffrey Epstein on the Joe Rogan Experience in 2017. >> Oh my god. You know, it's like, >> you know, bro, at that point, you know, and he said in the past, he was quoted as saying like, you know, well, I only ever saw Jeffrey around young women who were 21 or 22, so I assumed that I believed him, took him at his word when he said he was >> funny because that's exactly what Peter Mandelson said until the picture was released of him in his underwear with a 16-year-old not realizing that he was being photographed. >> That's right. And it's got it's it's got to be said like when you see there's other people that are in the emails where I don't really see anything and it's only a couple emails and they don't really seem to like know them well and I'm like all right it's weird but all right. But to bring it back to Kathy

18:31 now 11,500. Very interesting that you put two and two together with the kill list, which leads to my question, and again, some of this has to be theorizing, John. And I >> sure >> we weren't [ __ ] there, so we don't know, >> right? We don't know. But do you think that Kathy, before we get to the origins of Jeffrey Epste and go through all that, do you think it was that Kathy is a rising star attorney becoming kind of like fixer, especially once she got into the Obama orbit when he gets into office? Do you think someone like that was just very clearly a target for Jeffrey and he then actually possibly befriended her and then because of the connections he had, she trusted him and with information related to things like I don't know, perhaps a kill list. >> I think that's likely because if you're

19:18 hearing from people like Allan Dersowitz, what a great guy Jeffrey Epstein is, right? >> And you know, >> I know that's your best friend. Yeah, >> you love him. >> Yeah, we Yeah, we really love each other. Um, again, what kind of judgment do these people have? If you're like the most important constitutional attorney in the world, then maybe you should keep your pants on probably >> in the presence of a 16-year-old girl. >> Yeah. >> You your defense that that your you kept your underwear on, that's not a defense. That's not a defense. You know, I was on the Pierce Morgan show with him, I don't know, six, eight months ago, >> and Pierce called it smackdown

20:05 afterwards because I think I rattled him. I rattled Durowitz. He he said the most ridiculous thing. I said that I was confident that Epstein was a was a Mossad access agent. And I believe that I've been proven correct. I believe that I underestimated his contact with intelligence services. We could talk about that one. >> Um, but I'm I'm positive that he was an Israeli agent of some sort. And Dersowitz just jumped all over me. And then he shouted, see this is what he does. He interrupts to try to knock you off off balance. But he shouted the most ridiculous thing. And I laughed at him. He said that he was Epstein's attorney.

20:50 And if Epstein was a spy for the Mossad, he could have gone to the White House and he could have gotten him a lighter sentence. And it's like, I would have hung him from a tree. >> No, John, I would have hung from a tree. >> That's right. That's right. Like, you think going to the White House admitting that your client is spying for a foreign power >> Yeah. >> on you. >> That's right. >> That's going to get him leniency. I saw we can't play it because it actually has like copyrighted music in the background but >> I was just looking when when right before you got here, that clip popped up in my feed of him saying that >> and it was actually I don't know if you noticed this cuz you were just on Zoom like going back and forth, but we can watch it afterwards and see everything. >> You could tell as he was getting through

21:37 it once he had said CIA or MSAD and then said I could have gone straight to the white he went like crap. Oh, whoops. >> Cats out of the bag. >> Yeah. Yeah. And and you just see Bass and Musef like >> He was good. Anyone else get that? You know what I was like, whoa. >> But that's a good That's the thing, John. And I've talked about this a bunch recently. It's like >> you're Greek American, right? You're born You're born here. >> Born here. >> Mhm. >> You're a dual citizen, right? >> Yes. >> But you're someone who served the American government until >> Oh, I only became a dual citizen in 20 10. >> That's right. Okay. So, you're even closer generationally. I'm like fourth generation or something like that. I'm half Italian, >> half Irish.

22:23 >> No disrespect to the Irish side. I love my Irish fans out there. >> You know, I never identify with the culture. The food kind of sucks. I go out of my way to not celebrate St. Patrick's Day. It kind of is what it is. It's not a part of my family cultural history right? >> And so, like, if something happened with Ireland tomorrow, I'd be like, "Wow, that's really sad, but my life would go on." On the other hand, the Italian side, that's my family culture on both sides that I have lived in the country. I have family in the country. I love that place. It's amazing. >> If tomorrow though, as an Americanborn Italian, Irish American, if the American government came to me and said, "Listen, Jules, some [ __ ] went down last night and it turns out we are at war with Italy. Will you before the question comes out like will you fight for us or

23:09 them?" I have on my American fatigues and AK-47 and I'm taking the nearest plane, train, or automobile to get the [ __ ] over to Italy and mow down whatever Mario and Luigi's get in my way in the wrong uniform. I'm gonna hate it. I'm going to hate it, but I'm going to do it. >> Yes. >> And there's a lot of people whose names ended in a vowel >> in 1943, >> whose parents didn't even speak English, who did the same thing. >> Did exactly that. >> And there are many American Jews who would say the same thing about America. >> I take issue, it's not about the race. I take issue with anyone like an Alan Dersowitz who you know godamn well American-born dude who's made his whole life here. You know goddamn well if you ask him that question you get a blank stare and he changed the subject and you know what the answer >> or even just accuse you of being an anti-semit. >> That's right. I couldn't agree with you more.

23:55 >> Mhm. I don't trust him. I don't like him. Frankly, I don't know anybody that trusts him. He's just not the kind of guy that instills trust. >> Yeah. And the thing about him that I have to give him is that ever since the Epstein story like first came out, he is one of the only people, if not maybe the only guy like from that orbit >> who will get in front of whatever camera is rolling to discuss the case directly. I will give him that. I will also give him that as a attorney he did represent the guy. He has a job to do there. Yeah. Whether we like it or not. But David Boyce was on uh the other he and I were both on uh Pierce the other day and he made an important point because David Boyce is one of the most important

24:43 criminal defense attorneys in America and he said that Dersowitz was more than just his attorney. He was his friend and that's fine. You can be friends with with your clients, even if your clients are scumbags. But he was Epstein's publicist >> and that's not fine. >> He was >> for all intents and purposes. Yeah. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. Did Did you happen to see Les Wexner's testimony? >> I'm glad you brought that up, John. >> Did Did you catch the hot mic moment? If you say more than five words, I'm gonna [ __ ] kill you. >> Yes, I did catch that. >> I loved it. How about the [ __ ] the re

25:29 >> Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Boy, Les Wexner, I I would have so many questions for Less Wexner. There aren't enough hours in the day, >> right? What would What would be the first thing you'd ask him? What would possess you to hire a seventh grade substitute math teacher who had never finished college to be tax advisor when you are the richest man in the state of Ohio? There wasn't one person in the entire United States of America for you to hire to advise you on your taxes than a seventh grade substitute math teacher who didn't finish college unless you were also having sex with him.

26:14 >> Oh, I didn't see that curveball coming at the end. That kind of just hit me like >> which which he has consistently denied. He has consider you see his reaction to that with his face when they did bring that up in a separate question I might add. They're like did you ever first of all he's like leaning forward like this the whole time and they're like >> did you ever did you ever have sexual relations with Jeffrey Epstein he's like >> I was like I need a body language expert on that one. I don't know. >> And you know what he did according to Vanity Fair as as soon as people started asking that question he ran out and got married. The guy was, you know, well into adulthood and had never been married. And then as soon as people started saying, I wonder if le if Wes Les Wexner is gay, he ran out and got married.

27:02 See, this is what's strange about that in particular. Not I can't speak for Less Wexner at all, but on the other side of the equation, because these files, to be clear, seem to show it's girls, boys, children, just in general, >> anything went. >> But on the other side of the equation, in all the testimony, witnesses, people who were around Jeffrey Epstein coming forward, I have never heard something where it involved a male, period. It was always young women. That's right. >> Or little girls, right? >> So, for him to be this would be a, you know, a a a gay relationship or encounter like that. And that

27:50 I mean, I guess it's totally I guess nothing's off the table. But it's a that's always been like a little bit of a red herring for me. Like I wonder if it's like Les is doing stuff with people that Jeffrey's providing >> and that that could very well have been it as well. Mhm. >> So you you asked that question though about why you'd hire a >> Yeah. >> math teacher. >> Why? And you give him so much money >> that he ends up >> power attorney >> and and power of attorney he ends up with the widest townhouse in all of Manhattan. >> You ever stood outside that place? >> I went once. Yeah. It's gigantic. >> Yeah. I give the demented tour of New York City. People coming into town. >> That's cool. That would be fun. >> We stand there. But >> it's a big place. >> Yeah, it is.

28:36 >> You ever see look at the Google maps and see how far it goes back? >> No. >> Lnick's house is like half the size. >> Wow. >> It's nuts. We'll get to let >> But this was an answer related to the first half of your question, John. So, let's let this play right here, De. Why Les Wexner hired Jeffrey Epstein? >> Personal work for the Rothschild family in France. book specifically. I talked to Ellie De Rothschild and so I mentioned that earlier. Uh so he he represented their whole family. There have been a whole bunch of people many most of whom I never would have met but in New LA. He would say like I'm I'm providing uh

29:22 financial advice to the founders of Google. I'm financial providing financial advice to Jeff Bezos. Which to be clear, that was that was later. That's good. That was later when he did that. That wasn't from that answer right there. But >> it seemed to me when you see the full there's a full 4minute version of that as well. That what Wexner was saying, whether it's true or not is certainly a question. But what he was saying is that he was really hitting at the point that like because he personally talked to some of the members of the Rothschild family and they confirmed at the time this allegedly being >> in the mid to late 80s something like that right

30:07 >> that they were in fact working with Jeffrey on whatever basis they were he >> bonafites. Yeah. >> Yeah. So first of all do you believe that or you think there's more there? >> Oh there's got to be more there. So far in this entire story, nothing has been as it seemed. >> Nothing. There's there's been more behind all of it, behind every revelation. And if only half of it's been released and we're flipping out over what we've seen so far, what's the other half include? You know, and why wasn't it released? Is it even worse than what we've seen? Is it just a continuation of what we've seen? I will say that there are a lot of very important people out there who have

30:52 questions that need to be answered. I hate that the statute of limitations is a problem here. I hate >> Is the statute a problem specifically? >> A problem in that this stuff can't be prosecuted. >> Which stuff? >> Like child sex crimes. >> Really? >> Yeah. There aren't going to be any charges against anybody. They're going to be civil suits, but nobody's going to be charged with a crime. If you look at even in the UK, the UK has been very straightforward about all this. They have Mandelson now and former Prince Andrew. Andrew was charged with um with passing a document to Epstein that had to do with British uh business and trade negotiations. >> Alama deal. >> The Alyama deal. That's exactly right.

31:38 And then Mandlesson is rumored to have given him something from the defense ministry which could be a violation of the state the official secrets act. Uh but none of this stuff has to do with sex. >> We'll come back to the alley mama deal because that has to do with like the origins here. I just there is so much on the bone that like it's so hard to stay on one thing. So I apologize to people if we jump around a lot but like John knows everything about this case. So that'll happen a little bit. But >> let's stay with Wexner for a minute. So you'd ask him about the source of wealth. Then they have a relationship for at least 20 years. He claims that he cut him off in 2007. I don't know that I believe that. >> Right. >> What else would you ask him? What would be the burning or to quote Howard Lutnik, the cutting questions.

32:25 >> I mean, I would ask questions that I know he wouldn't answer truthfully or honestly. Like I would want rundowns of every time he went to that island. There there there's a reason why literally every room, including the bathrooms, were wired for audio and video. >> Mhm. >> Nobody does that. >> He said he only went there once on his boat with his family on the record. >> Right. I I I hope that's true. I don't believe him. >> I agree. Not if you've been a not just a friend, but but a a close friend, a best friend for more than two decades. You went to the guy's house one time. >> Come on. >> It's like Deaf was saying with Howard Letic's answer at Congress where he's

33:10 like, "I went to the island. It was only for an hour and I left with my wife, my children, and our nannies." >> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz people fly all the way to the Caribbean for 1 hour. >> He's like, "You couldn't say def's like you couldn't say you were there for the afternoon." Exactly. I mean, it's a [ __ ] island. >> Exactly. >> You know, >> and that was after Lutnik denied that they were close friends. >> Mhm. >> That that one >> look at the look at Sarah Ferguson now. She's in a whole heap of trouble. >> That's Prince Andrew's ex-wife. >> Mhm. Well, we knew for a long time that Jeffrey was like floating her money cuz they were in debt up to their eyeballs. Right. >> I have a good friend who represented her uh as as one of her attorneys and he said she was always broke. Always broke. I don't know where the money went. How

33:56 can you be a member of the British royal family and be broke? I have no idea. >> That whole thing's sketchy. >> I mean, specifically targeting that, too. >> And then after he's convicted in 2007 and she says publicly that she's cut him off, then she emails him, "I'm so sorry, Jeffrey. I love you. You're the big brother I never had." And then she takes her daughters down there to visit him and then lies about it. Like what kind of hold did he have on people? I don't understand this. Do you think I I don't think this for a second, but I have to ask this just so you can at least respond. Do you think some of these people

34:41 might have actually believed him at his word that he's like, "Yeah, I accidentally ordered a 17year-old. I thought thought you was 21." Do you think it's even possible that they would have believed it? >> I think it's possible that they wanted to believe it and then allowed themselves to believe it. >> Deep down, no. Unless you're deaf, dumb, and blind. >> Yep. >> Uh I can't imagine. No. Plus, you know, it's not like people don't talk. I mean, even Trump said back in the day, Jeffrey likes him young. Too young for my taste. >> Yeah. Mhm. A lot of people said there's there's even emails, I'm trying to remember who it was with, maybe it was actually with Mandlesson, but don't quote me on that, where they're going back and forth and Jeffrey says,

35:29 "Take a picture of of you and and send me a picture of you and the little girl or something like that." And the guy goes like, "Haha, yeah, sure." Yeah. Yeah. I I interviewed a member of the British Parliament a couple days ago for my my own podcast and um and he said this is enough to bring down the British government. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Like judgment. What kind of judgment do you people have? And look, Mandlesen has always been a scumbag, right? Everybody knew he was a crook. He had been credibly accused of, you know, embezzlement and extortion. He's he's just a crook. they're out there in politics. And so when word surfaced that

36:17 he was close to Jeffrey Epstein and you know he he had already had to be removed as business minister and from another couple of u senior positions in the in the British Labor Party. He swore to Kier Starmer the now the prime minister of the UK. He swore to him that he barely knew Epstein. They had met once or twice. There was nothing to these rumors. And then the emails are released, including the photo of him with a 16-year-old girl standing in his underwear. They're both looking at a laptop, so it's clear he does not realize he's being photographed. And um and then he had to admit that, okay, all right, you caught me. So he's resigned from the House of Lords. He's

37:03 been thrown out of the Labor Party. But people aren't just angry at Mandelen. And also he was recalled as the British ambassador to the United States. He's no longer the ambassador. They're not angry just at Mandlesen. They're angry at the prime minister because what kind of judgment do you have when everybody in the country knew this guy was a scumbag, but because he looked you in the eye and he smiled at you and said, "Oh, no, no, prime minister. It's not true. None of it's true." And then your reaction is, "Okay, I'm going to make you ambassador to the United States of America." What goes through their minds? So this Kierst Starmer may not last as long as Liz Truss's head of cabbage.

37:51 This is This is bad. Already see the meme on that one. >> Yeah. So, you're also tying into directly what Ro Kana said as well. And one thing I like about Massie and Roana is their delivery is the same with the exception of I've never seen Massie get worked up like he did at Pam Bondi. And I >> he rarely gets worked up. >> But he genuinely dislikes Pam Bond. >> Oh yeah, she's a liar. >> But Roana will just like these two guys, Massie and Roana, will just like deliver this line about the Epstein files. It's like, wait, I'm sorry. What the [ __ ] did you just say? And it's like, yeah, so uh we found this and there it is. All right, have a good one. They walk out. So Ro kind of comes out maybe like two 3

38:39 weeks ago and he had just walked out of the DOJ where they he got to see some of the stuff that they haven't released. And he was like, "Yeah, so the files show that this poses an existential risk for the entire monarchy system in the UK and then therefore across Europe because they're all [ __ ] related." >> Yes. >> Literally. >> Which, you know, John, I obviously we kind of fought a war about that here like 250 years ago. I'm not a huge fan of monarchies. I wouldn't shed a tear about it. >> I put a laughing emoji every time the crown prince of Greece posts something on Facebook. >> I like that. Yeah. Crown Prince of Greece. You're not even Greek. You're Danish. How dare you. Shut up, Malaka. Get out of here. I like that. You got to I'll

39:25 retweet that when you do it. Let me know when you do it. >> But it's like the other problem with this, and maybe I'm like overthinking this a little bit, >> but these systems are so entrenched. Yes. where from a backdoor economics perspective, whether it be real estate holdings, financial holdings, uh, funnels of money, things like that, if it all came down at once. >> It could crash the whole system. >> Yes, >> that's real. >> I think it's real. >> Yeah. Um, I was watching BBC this morning, as a matter of fact, and they said as recently as three years ago, 80% of the British people support the monarchy. Today, 50% of the British people support the monarchy. >> This is they're at a tipping point. And

40:12 if the Brits go, everybody else is going to go, too. Look at Norway. Who ever even heard of the Norwegian royal family? But now you got ties to Epstein. You got the crown prince's or crown princess's soning two women. Now he's got to go on trial. What kind of people are these? Like, is it really worth it to to prop up these phonies as your as your monarchs? >> No, I don't think so. >> Of course, it's that's not the question here. That's not the question. It's like like if I were just responding with my anger, I'd want the entire system, we're not just talking monarchies, to just [ __ ] get a reset button. That's right. >> Right. >> But I also know how much that would affect all of us if it all happened all

40:58 at once. And so that's the strange dance in trying to go through this case. How do you find a way to go in with the raid right >> and hit all the cockroaches, >> right? >> But not, you know, accidentally sprayed in grandma's mouth at the same time. >> And and this is where you run into that problem of statutes of limitations again. >> Because it would be far easier if you could just prosecute these people, right? and and show the people of every one of these countries involved that it doesn't matter how famous you are or how important you are, we're all equal under the law. And that's just not going to be the case here. >> All these famous rich people, they're all going to get away with it. >> It's sick. >> You don't think anyone in the US will go

41:44 to prison for this? >> I don't. You know, I was talking to an a constitutional attorney about this and he said the only way that this that a prosecution could go forward is if the Justice Department could successfully argue that the cover up of the original crime continued and constituted a conspiracy. So, you couldn't be you couldn't be prosecuted necessarily for the crime itself. you would be prosecuted for conspiracy to commit the crime. But he said even that is a stretch. What if with statutes of limitations though? What about all the stuff we're seeing like in this latest trunch where these things are occurring a lot of it between

42:31 2011 and 2019? I would think there's not as if if if you were >> doing cannibal acts on kids in 2015 like we would be able to prosecute that >> in some cases on the on the sex cases the statute is 5 years >> and so we've missed it >> which you know what may have been a part of the plan why didn't Joe [ __ ] Biden release all this information >> thank you every administration I would argue since Clinton has covered this up and that's the thing absolutely yes right you have Trump in office right now and there's a massive cover up happening and it should be called out. We will call it out. It is what it is. We'll talk about that more. But every administration RD red and blue has had a chance to put this out. So all these

43:17 Democrats who are suddenly just jumping on the train here because they can, right? And they can read a question their intern gave them that's an easy slam dunk because they covered this up. It's like I have no energy for those people either. This is this is a systemic problem that has happened to where you're just at a point now where the Democrats are like, "Well, the Clintons are so far past time and they're so old and you know, like we now we can throw them under the bus. They ain't like that no more. >> Nobody cares anymore, >> right?" >> Uhhuh. >> But what about the victims then? >> What they how does that benefit the victims in any way? And why why you finally get to depose Les Waxner, which how about the fact he was listed as a co-conspirator in the documents? >> See, we never knew that. >> And he's never been interviewed.

44:03 >> Never. Like, where was the FBI all these years? And another thing, too, and this this goes back to the very basis of this case, Epstein got a sweetheart deal in 2006, right? and the US attorney for the the uh whatever it was the southern district the central district of Florida whatever it was I guess it was the central district um has said this is Aosta who became labor secretary in Trump's first term said that he was ordered to give this this sweetheart deal okay so where do orders come who who's the only person in in the in the system there

44:50 who can order a US attorney to do something. That's the attorney general. Well, the attorney general was Alberto Gonzalez who didn't brush his hair in the morning without permission from the president or the vice president, right? He was like legendary for his powerlessness and ill suiting for the uh for the position. So, was it Bush? Was it Cheney? Who was it that was close enough to Epstein that he would want to swoop in and save Epstein by giving him this sweetheart deal? Nobody has ever answered that question. And Aosta apparently genuinely doesn't know the answer. His order came down from the attorney general. >> I think I believe him on that.

45:35 >> I do too. I believe him >> cuz he said he I was told he belonged to intelligence. >> Intelligence. That's the line. >> That was the word. He belonged to intelligence. Well, this gets into that super government >> kind of thing cuz it's like you say Bush and Cheney, which makes a lot of sense to me, but now like my whole worldview is just like, >> oh yeah, it's ridiculous. You know, I used to I used to just piss all over people's analysis when they would start talking about the trilateral commission and Bilderberg and the Shangrila conference and then somebody to whom I used to be very close >> used to used to and about whom a court

46:22 order exists saying I cannot talk about her um in any public forum. She went to one of those events. She was invited because she rose up high enough in the corporate structure that she went. And I I couldn't wait to hear what was it like. And she said, "It's a lot of really rich, really important people talking about arms deals." >> Arms deals. >> It was all about arms deals. And she said, "Except for except for Davos." She went to Davos and she said, "That's where they were all talking about how to manage the global economy." And I said, "So, so all that shit's true

47:10 that they're the ones that sort of set the policy?" And she said, "Yeah, I saw it with my own eyes. I >> but I'm I'm not >> Can you get me a pen >> allowed to identify who that person is nor it's on it's on the counter out there. >> Usually I I've never needed that before but I I may need that today after after hearing that. All right. So the trilateral commission for people out there who are unfamiliar. This is something that's been written about a lot in the past and once again it's something that's always written off like oh god this is where >> another conspiracy theory well >> but it's not go so fast

47:57 >> it's all it's a real thing >> it is they even have a website >> they have a website >> we pull up the trilateral commission >> and and Bilderberg they list all the people that attend this but by name all these people and you'll recognize 80% of Oh man. >> Well, I mean, I guess that's hiding in plain sight, but it's something where I I guess what I should say is the connotation of it was where the conspiracy theorists would be saying something and people would be like, "No, it's just this group. It's the It's David Rockefeller." Like, >> I know, right? >> Arand Rothschild, you know? And yeah, listen, they we put Clinton on it. He was he was bored after he left office, you know. And then you get Epstein in

48:44 this this sit down with Steve Bannon. We we will talk about him, but you get Epstein saying, "Yeah, I was on the uh trilateral commission and here's how I got." And he makes it sound so simple. >> Yeah. Right. >> I'm like, "How do you even get there, buddy? You're a kid from Coney Island." >> Yeah. Somebody taps you on the shoulder. Next thing you know, you're getting an email. >> Dave, can you put the camera on, John? >> Yeah. I I see what you're reading. >> Son of a [ __ ] Really? I knew it. But really? >> Yeah. It was very >> How she get in there? God damn it. >> It was very disappointing to me. >> You can't talk about that by court order. >> No, sir. >> Yeah. I already didn't like her. Now I really

49:31 don't like her. But wow. Wow. >> Yeah. This is the life I've given myself. And I'm just Yeah. >> Yeah. This is the life I've given myself. >> Okay. So, back to the Oh, wait. Sweetheart deal because we were talking about where that would come from. You know, I'm trying to not let my brain run too wild with now every possible answer is all over here and it's all like absolutely the worst thing ever. But clearly some of the answers are there. So >> without getting to his origin story yet because that's again we're going to do that. But you talk about at the

50:16 trilateral commission they are going over arms deals and everything and now this is entering your world of things that you have witnessed around the world and how [ __ ] works. What is it about arms deals that would make it the number one priority for the quote unquote Illuminati of the world >> of of the Pentagon's $1 trillion budget fully a third goes to weapons and weapons systems right that's just for us >> so couple that with what we're able to sell to other countries whose leaders are at these conferences I mean that we're talking about you know probably a majority of the American economy year after year after year.

51:01 It's how we employ Americans. I read something recently. Oh, the Washington Post, the New York Times, that the Pentagon has assiduously placed manufacturers, or I shouldn't say placed manufacturers, they have placed orders with manufacturers in literally every one of the 435 congressional districts. So literally every single member of Congress has constituents who are dependent on the defense economy, on the defense budget. And so there's no incentive for any member of Congress to vote no on DoD

51:49 >> and also paid by all those companies. >> Yeah, sure. I mean, it costs what, five, eight, 10, 20 million dollars to run for Congress. Every two years, that money's got to come from somewhere. So, it comes from Defense Department packs. >> They buy them off on the micro and then it wins them the macro when you put the numbers together. Yeah. Def, what' you pull up here? >> Just confirm. >> All right. So, the Washington Post reports that the Pentagon structurally distributes manufacturing and contracting across almost every congressional district to secure broad local political support, making budget cuts difficult. The strategy embeds defense spending into the local economy with analysis showing that despite a high concentration of funds among top contractors, the broader supply chain is deeply embedded in domestic districts. >> Yeah. >> A friend of mine um has a little kind of

52:35 little mom and pop manufacturing plant in Beaver County, Pennsylvania. >> Aritine International. >> No, no, no. It's a little just a little place you've never heard of. >> Got it. And he mentioned something to me one time. Oh, this is probably five years ago. He mentioned that he is entirely dependent on the Pentagon. And I was like, "The Pentagon?" I said, "For what?" Oh, I can't tell you. He said, "It's a classified program." I said, "Seriously, George?" Like, I thought he was making, you know, heels for shoes or something. I didn't know what he was making. And then later on he told me like, "No, it's this little widget that fits inside, you know, the the motor for a, you know, Patriot missile or

53:21 something like that." >> Nice. >> And he's like, "In in Beaver County." And he's like, "Yeah." And then when I saw that report in the Washington Post, I was like, "Oh, of course it all makes sense." H what percentage of the trilateral commission if you had to broadly guess do you think is influenced by bankers around the world? >> Oh all of it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Sure. >> The reason I asked that is because again I I love this supra term that Tucker came up with because I think it's great visual. Right. So presidents of the power countries around the world, the ones that actually matter at the UN, right? So think like US, China, Russia. >> And then you know the people below them

54:08 too. But >> above that you got let's say the fixer class like the Epsteines of the world who really hold the power to pull the strings on the peasante right here who are the presidents and kings and all that [ __ ] >> And then above that you have the people who finance them. and the people who finance them as bankers. If you want to look at this this way, and it's fair to do it right now, look at things like financing wars to make money and profit off death, which also we could even get into the conversation of them trying to manage population control and doing so. Is that a ridiculous statement? >> I think that's a conversation that ought to be out there. Yeah. For the >> What makes you think we should have that conversation? Like what kinds of things that you've heard? population control

54:55 and even the reverse of that is something that is now making headlines. I read an article just in the past week or two that China likely does not have 1.1 billion people, that they've consistently lied about their population and that they probably have something closer to 650 million or 700 million people, but they want the rest of the world to believe that they have all these people because it makes it makes the case for these strong economic numbers that they're always putting out, which also are probably not true. Um, a country like Greece, Greece is in trouble because Greece went through this very long-term economic um, it was a depression. It wasn't even a recession. It was a depression. And so

55:42 much of the educated middle class, doctors lawyers engineers businessmen, they just left. They went to the US, the UK, Australia, Canada, Germany. And so there almost is no middle class or no upper middle class in Greece. it just left. Well, the economy then is unsustainable because there's nobody there to create jobs. There was a there was a piece oh years ago um in the Washington Post saying if you look at the shrinkage in Russia's population, if it keeps declining at its current rate, you're going to like this. In 150 years, there won't be any Russians. They just won't exist anymore. What's the State Department going to do that thing to call out? Then what do you do? Now,

56:29 of course, immigration changes that that calculus, but you know, we're talking about the the possible um what's what's the word? Uh the possibility that countries just can no longer remain viable as countries without real population changes. I told you about my encounter with David Rockefeller, did I not? You did not tell me about that. >> No. >> I was I was working in Bahrain in the American embassy. I was the economic officer and I was a longtime subscriber to this wonderful magazine called Art News Magazine. And I read this article about David Rockefeller being given this major like art world award for the work that he's done over the course of, you

57:14 know, 75 years or whatever it was for art in New York. And then we get a cable from the state department saying that David Rockefeller is coming to Bahrain because he's being given an award by the Bahraini American Bankers Association and the ambassador comes into my office, David Ransom, wonderful, wonderful ambassador, lovely human being, one of the best bosses I ever had. And he said, "Hey, uh, we got a cable from from state saying that David Rockefeller is coming out to Bahrain. He's going to collect this award from the bankers association. I said, "The banker's association?" And he said, "Yeah, I want you to be his control officer." I said, "I'd love to be his control officer." What that means is you arrange the car, you arrange the

58:01 the hotel, you make sure he gets from point A to point B and just make sure there are no problems. If he wants to go shopping, you take him shopping, you do anything he wants. I welcomed it. Well, as soon as the Bahrainis heard that David Rockefeller was coming, his highness the Aamir announces we're going to do a state dinner, right? So, the entire cabinet, the entire royal family, the entire diplomatic corps, all the ambassadors, all the credited diplomats, this is a major event, like the biggest social event of the year. It's it's at his main palace. There like 500 people there. So I go and I was saving my congrat See, I thought I was very clever. I was just a stupid kid. So I I

58:46 saved my my congratulations for his award for the receiving line. So I said to the amir, it's such a pleasure to see you, your highness. And I said to the prime minister, we didn't like each other very much. Like you know, hello. >> Hello. >> Hello. He would always say hello Kiryaku. Yeah. And then he would kind of stare at me. >> You're like the spy version of a VEP episode. I don't know if anyone ever told you that, but >> And then it comes David Rockefeller and I said, "Mr. Rockefeller, I wanted to congratulate you on your, you know, whatever it was called award." Oh, he lights up. Thank you so much. I'm so proud of that award, the Guggenheim and the madness. And then I, you know, go and then the next night he collects his award from the bankers association and

59:33 he leaves. So we had a 9:00 meeting in the embassy every day. It was, you know, the ambassador, the deputy chief of mission and and the heads of all the departments. So I'm in there in the morning meeting and the ambassador says, "So the Rockefeller visit went very well." And I said, cuz I'm an idiot, I said, "Why would a guy who's almost a hundred years old fly halfway around the world to collect a little trophy from some bankers that he's never met before?" And the ambassador goes like this. He goes "John John you're supposed to be the smart one." He says, I said, "What? What am I missing?" He's like, "He didn't come for the banker's

1:00:19 award. That was his cover stuff." And I said, "So what was he doing here?" He said, "David Rockefeller is the secret back channel to Saddam Hussein. He came here to make it look like he had business in the Middle East. We put him on a military transport this morning and sent him to Baghdad to tell Saddam Hussein to cut it out or you're going to get a bomb up your ass." And then he flew back from Baghdad. And I was like, man, I I have a lot to learn. Wow. That that didn't impact your worldview a little bit. >> Oh yeah, it sure did. >> Like things are not what they seem.

1:01:05 >> Might be an inappropriate thing to say these days, but that's like a Jay-Z line. >> We got Rockefeller out there with Saddam. >> Yeah, >> yeah, that's uh >> I'm friendly with his daughter now and she uh >> Rockefeller. >> Yeah, Abby Rockefeller. She's very very sweet. No, no, no. She's a communist and uh yeah, Aby's great. She she went to Harvard in the 60s and became a communist and rebelled against her family and she gives all of her money to leftwing >> Oh my god. >> charities and and concerns. She's fantastic. >> That's too good. >> Keep going. I'm sorry. >> No, I I mentioned the story to her and she said, "Yeah, that sounds exactly like something my dad would do." Yeah.

1:01:51 What do I know? >> Yeah. I guess. Well, she went the opposite way. Give her that, I guess. But how'd you become friends with her? >> I'm on the board of Covert Action Magazine and uh and she's a supporter of the magazine. >> No kidding. That's not Covert Action Magazine. That doesn't sound sketchy at all. >> It was founded by Philip Agy >> who uh the CIA tried to assassinate for decades. He was a CIA case officer who saw what covert actions were were doing to innocent people in Latin America in the late60s. And so he went public and wrote a book called Inside the Company. And as an appendix at the back of the book, he listed the names of every CIA officer he ever encountered and outed everybody

1:02:40 and then took off for Cuba. And uh the CIA hunted him down from country to country to country. They finally gave up. He died in Cuba. I don't know 10 years ago, 20 years ago. And um his son has kept the magazine going. And and the co-founder of the magazine, Lou Wolf. Shout out to Lou, who's now like 87 or 88 years old. He's a good friend of mine. Um this was Lou's baby with Philip Ag. And uh and the magazine still it's still a monthly concern. I write for it every month. Do you think we have so many examples of where covert actions were just taken for like imperialism purposes or just because we felt like overthrowing? >> There's actually a Wikipedia page. >> Let's pull it up. >> Yeah. CIA covert action. Wikipedia. The

1:03:26 first one was the uh 1949 Italian election, >> right? with the communists. And there was a deleted scene in The Godfather that Francis Copela put in there where Michael's walking in the fields with Fabitio. Yeah. and he sees in the in the hillsides at Corleó >> and he sees the the red like little army of you know communist supporters right there and he's like whatever and Fabrito is like >> and that was right around the it's taking place right around the time where that was going to be a thing where they were going to come in and take over the power vacuum post Mussolini with the opposite side and then CIA is like >> no no you don't that that covered action

1:04:13 operation. It was the first one and it's been declassified by the CIA. Um, it was very simple. They gave $150,000 in cash to the Christian Democratic Party, which was the Conservative Party. It was behind the Communists in the polls. >> They were going to lose the election. The Communists were going to win. You can't have a Communist government in Western Europe, right? That's just for the East Eastern Party of Europe. >> And so what they did is they used that money to bribe um journalists to write pro-onservative articles in the run-up to the election and they were able to swing just enough votes that the conservatives won >> and it was only 150 grand. >> Yeah, it was the first one. >> So >> that was a lot of money in the 40s though. >> I know. But for the whole party for a

1:04:58 bunch of journalists, I mean I'm splitting up that pie. It's getting smaller. And you think like Don Calini was taking a baseball bat to people too? >> Well, I mean, think of it this way, too. If you're a journalist and you're asked to write 500 words, that's probably worth $500 in 1949 money. I mean, if that's what you get paid today, that was a lot of money in 194. >> Yeah. But if I'm going to swing an election, you got to add a zero to that. >> Yeah, maybe. >> Yeah. So, you you're >> All right. So, we're looking at this Wikipedia page. Everyone else can pull this up, too. And it's funny because Wikipedia is run by the CIA, and they can't even stop this article from happening. Well, oftentimes the CIA gets outed. Um, when people look at the um at the ISP information for the editors, it

1:05:44 oftentimes goes back to Langley. >> They're that dumb. Come on. >> Yeah. They're that dumb. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I remember in my own case, we we asked um we asked for something in Discovery. I don't remember what it was. And it was we were we were having a meeting, all the attorneys, I had 11 attorneys. And um one of them said, "Hey, we should ask for X." And uh one of the other attorneys said, "Oh, come on. They're not that stupid." And he said, "No, actually they are that stupid." And sure enough, they had [ __ ] it up. And um and they ended up having to drop three charges >> just because of that. >> Huh? >> They're arrogant. >> Yeah. They think they're smarter than everybody else is, that they don't make

1:06:31 mistakes, or even if they do make mistakes, you're not smart enough to figure out that they've made a mistake. And that's just simply not true. >> But it's also like John, they have a VC arm, as we've outlined before, everyone outlines it inel >> and they admit who they invest. Oh yeah, we threw money in Palanteer in. And now

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