Vollständiges Transkript von „Joe Rogan Experience #2254 - Mel Gibson“. Klicke auf einen Zeitstempel, um das Video an dieser Stelle zu öffnen. Du brauchst ein anderes Video? Nutze den YouTube-Transkript-Generator.
0:01 Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day all right we're rolling what's cracking oh man my back just now just all these chair fantastic what is going on with your back you you you have like you've had back issues in the past right we talked about that the last time you came on well I was born scoliotic you know yeah so it's like I bought just I just bought my own Penal so I could click the [ __ ] you remember here take all devices away from I can't believe you remember you remember clicking on the pen that's hilarious oh yeah I'm I'm a fidget you know so I uh let me take everything
0:49 off it's it's not good oh yeah born born slightly scoliotic and then of course I banged myself up over the years you know of course what can you what when the do they do anything other than surgery for people with scoliosis they do because I don't want to do surgery once you start opening stuff up and fooling with it yeah there's no going back especially the back yeah back's a rough I never met anybody that had like fusions or anything where it turned out good no and like hypocrates you know the father of medicine he said in any ailment look first to the spine and it was like he's kind of right it all emanates from the from the core well if your back is [ __ ] up everything's [ __ ] up yeah you know no matter how strong your arms and legs are if your back is [ __ ] up you're you're in trouble yeah that's
1:35 true your brain everything everything goes to hell well you're in pain all the time yeah people with back problems like they can't think straight because you're always like you know it's always there's a gift to not thinking straight H tell me tell me more I want to know well it actually takes you down some pretty weird paths you know um uh if you're happy all the time I don't know you don't have you you don't have to strive to find thoughts to make yourself happy right so it's like a um it's a good it's a good uh it's a good predisposition I think I agree to that yeah I think being happy all the time is a it's kind of an unlikely scenario no nobody is yeah no but we all want it you notice we all yearn for it
2:20 there's just Inc that's the only thing we all want right just happiness little peace well it's also we're shown it like in you know television movies like we're shown happiness as this goal like seek happiness sure should be happy all the time happy should never be upset yeah well it's not realistic it's completely unrealistic however it's nice to have those little Journeys through ART where you can actually explore those things you can explore your IDs you can explore happiness and uh so you can experience the opposite I look at situations around me and I I generally feel pretty grateful uh from what some people go through I'm grateful and everybody's got
3:07 their crap you know but uh like this morning for example I would be surprised if my home is still there yeah we were just talking about that the Palisades is on fire yeah my friend Tom Tom soraa his house is gone yeah is where he used to live he sold it luckily yeah I have a son he's in the sort of volunteer firebrigade Milo I call him the mayor of Malibu and he's running around and I asked him how's things looking there Milo he says not good pops he says your neighborhood and he sent me a a video of my neighborhood and it's INF Flames it looks like an inferno so yeah do you think this will get you out of California finally yeah maybe you know where you going to go oh I don't know I got a place in Costa Rica I love it there yeah Costa Rica's nice yeah I
3:54 bought there many years ago and it's it's a it's in a real nice spot it's not too touristy or you know dirt roads so it's off the Beaton does it feel safe out there pretty safe I think look it no place is safe I mean you got the darang down there you know's that it's kind of in the um what's the next country down Panama and you and and there's this no man's land where the Colombians come through and it's like you know all kinds of dirty dealings in the jungle with you know who knows you know drugs and mules and yeah you know yeah so um you know it can be dangerous and I've heard of danger happening there you know you hear about somebody getting chopped up by a machete and Costa Rica
4:39 is actually it's actually a cool place because it it never had a culture of death like a lot of the Central American countries did they have a culture of death you know even Mexico I mean they used to you know tear people's hearts out and pyramids all that sort of stuff Aztecs were like the Romans the Mayans were like the Greeks they all sort of dabbled in some stuff um Costa Rica always had a policy where they was like the switzland of Central America they emphasize education and health and everybody's literate and it's it's kind of interesting in that way but it deals with its own little troubles yeah well like every country you know anywhere down in that part of the world
5:25 MH it's just like there's so much sketchy [ __ ] going on all around you yeah there can be yeah yeah one has to uh be forewarned forearmed all that you know so I have a a nice place down there yeah I have some friends that have a place in Mexico and I'm always like don't you ever worry yeah I worked in Mexico a couple of times I was down there and it was uh it was in BARC Cruz and apparently you know people were rolling heads into bars and stuff like that you know rival GRS and stuff and they said I'd go for a walk you know and uh they'd sayou crazy going for a walk you'll get kidnapped I said I'm not going to get kidnapped I'm the guy that pays you're going to get kidnapped and I'm not going to pay your Ransom so it's
6:11 like I never felt insecure in that way and you know if something's going to happen it's going to happen yeah you know if your numbers up I know I used to watch guys who do what I do for a living and they'd have a fance of bodyguards around them you know and like for security and stuff but and I used to have that stuff for a little while but n doesn't make any difference you're going to be okay okay or not or not right until you're not until you're not and everybody's going to be okay until they're not yeah I got into dodgy situation one night and I acted crazy yeah yeah what happened if you act crazy everybody leaves you alone especially if you are a little crazy you know they
6:56 know that you're in a stress mode so you actually get angry I if if I feel like I'm threatened I get angry which is what happens and then you get really in people's faces and they think this guy's crazy but all the old cultures thought that like when there were people traveling across the Great Plains to go west you know if you acted nuts they'd leave you alone because they didn't want your evil spirits oh so what happened with you oh nothing they left me alone but where was this oh man I was in a bad neighborhood I um was it was when I first got into LA and I was to go to dinner with Costa Gabus he was a Greek director I uh went the wrong way and it was before they had you know phones with
7:42 like right you know all that stuff so Thomas guide it was the Thomas guide anyway I wasn't guided well by Thomas I ended up in the wrong place and then my muffler fell off and I was driving a Mercedes you know pretty nice sporty car you know and I thought oh and I had the wife in the car and I pulled into a side street the sun was going down and as I got out of the car I thought oh I got to fix this Muffler I can't just drag it people started coming from houses and they came up to me and and I saw them coming in the rearview mirror and uh I jumped out of the car and got in their face and I said what the [ __ ] do you want cuz I thought I felt threatened right and um and the guy said man I'm
8:28 just looking for some money you got any money so I was being mugged and it was like I thought I'll think about it when I'm [ __ ] finished like you know I opened the trunk and this is the weird part Joe I I will never quite understand this I opened the trunk to see what I could find to help me put the muffler back on and sitting there the only two things in the back of the trunk was a pair of wire cutters and a coat hanger it's exactly what I needed and I don't know why it was there that's weird isn't it that's very weird so you use the coat hanger to wire up your muffler yep I cut a piece of wire wired the muffler up the whole time more guys are coming Jesus Christ and they're standing behind me and I'm feeling like oh and um
9:13 anyway I get up I finished the muffler slam and I'm acting mad and crazy the whole time and they think this guy's nuts and I get back to the car and my wife gives me a handful of cash and I thought what's this she says it's just wives and ones give it to her so I threw it and drove off but it was like it was looking hairy for a minute and you never know what year was this oh my God back in the '90s fitness isn't just about what you do in the gym it's also about your nutrition but even with the best diet some nutrients can be hard to get and ag1 can help fill those gaps ag1 delivers optimal amounts of nutrients in forms that help your body perform ag1 makes foundational nutrition easy because there aren't a million different pills and capsules you have to keep track of it's just one scoop mixed in water it's
9:59 a an easy routine to keep in the mornings ingredients in ag1 are selected for absorption nutrient density and potency and are intentionally picked to work in sync with the whole formula for optimal impact they are seriously committed to Quality ag1 is tested for hundreds of contaminants and impurities and they're constantly reformulating their recipe to dial it in this is all part of why I've partnered with ag1 for years so get started with ag1 this holiday season and get a free bottle of vitamin D3 K2 and five free ag1 travel packs with your first purchase at drink a1.com Rogan that's a $76 value gift for free if you go to drink a1.com
10:44 Joe Rogan seriously get on this so things are more dangerous now I think they are yeah I think so for sure yep yeah we were just talking about the Wildfire situation and how crazy it is that they spent 24 billion dollars last year on the homeless yeah and what do they spend on preventing these wildfires Zer Z Zip Zip and in 2019 I think Nome said you know I'm going to take care of the forest and maintain the forest and do all that kind of stuff he didn't do anything didn't do anything and then on top of that they cut the water off yeah that's right yeah it's all funny and then I think all our tax dollars probably went for Gavin's hair Gill I don't know but it's like you know it's sad it's like the place is just on fire well the whole state is just so poorly
11:30 managed it's so conf it's so frustrating and confusing and then he gets on TV and pretends like everything's great mhm and California is the best we have the best state we have the most amazing economy and like you're out of your [ __ ] mind dude you've ruined the state personally ruined it well it's the same team that was up in San Francisco and they came down to LA and they're doing what they did in San Francisco and yeah San Francisco is kind of like apocalyptic now you know yeah I went there and it's like people every you know homeless you know it's just it's a mess it's just unbelievable that Society can crumble that quickly mhm really unbelievable it doesn't take long no yeah I read a book once by Jared diamond called collapse you ever read that book yeah yeah crazy right it says all the things you need
12:15 for a civilization to cave in and collapse and a lot of the things are present all those ear marks the precursors of a collapse they're present in our time so it's it's an interesting observation yeah and we're no smarter than our grandparents I don't think well that brings me to one of my favorite movies of yours is Apocalypto yeah you know when the Mayans were running things like who could have ever thought when they had such an incredibly sophisticated Society unbelievable construction like the stuff that they had built that one day you just walk through there and there's nothing nothing nothing and nobody in fact there's something because it's interesting somebody was flying by what they thought was a volcano in the 30s some Buzz Boy and he thought hey that's somebody built that wait a minute
13:01 there's 4X 8T bricks that's not that's man-made and it is literally the biggest pyramid in the world it's bigger than the ones in Egypt and it's in Guatemala yeah we talked about that the other day yeah it's a recent discovery right well not that recent I was U maybe 20 years ago I visited I went down there with the uh with the archaeologist a guy named Richard Hansen who's from or some place and he's down there with his family he's been working tirelessly for like 30 years trying to extract this preclassic city from the jungle and there's not a bunch of tourists all the pyramids in tial would fit inside the one big pyramid in El Mirador really yeah it's a
13:50 monster and so that tells you that the preclassic civilization was bigger and grander and more sophisticated than the civilizations that came after it yeah pretty interesting well it is unbelievable how like when when you the accounts of like people that visited Mexico and visited the Aztecs like what the markets looked like and how insane it was and how gorgeous it was and then just yeah disease yeah disease or I don't know if it was disease or what I think the people were pretty dissatisfied it would have been hard for uh Cortez with his limited numbers to actually take over a civilization like that unless they kind kind of happened upon a civilization that was pretty dissatisfied with the way things were going yeah so I think they had people to
14:35 help them sort of Rebel when when you're making a movie like Apocalypto I mean that's a crazy undertaking you're making an entire movie where there's no English in it at all and it's a blockbuster yeah yeah it's cool it was fun that's one of the best movies man it's a [ __ ] great movie well because I think it's scary because nobody's speaking your language and you're looking at indigenous peoples who you and because they're not speaking a language you totally kind of buy it and you can buy the horror and and the Primal nature of of the story you want to tell and and really it's just a series of fears one after the other you know being chased by you know scary guys or W eaten by wild animals or you know
15:21 hit by blow you know blow gun it's all like uh a series of these things but I think basically I was doing was trying to talk about our time now and the civilization that we live in and how close are we to collapse and what are the things that lead to collapse you know it's environmental stuff it's um Human Sacrifice yeah I mean we do that kind of we do yeah yeah we do we just dress it up Y when you find out medications are killing people and they keep prescribing them and they do it for money that's kind of sacrifice when you find out that Wars are irresponsible they're not just Wars not just no they're they're for money we send our young people over
16:07 there to to die MH sometimes for good reasons sometimes for not I mean I have I love this I love the warrior I do I love the warrior but I hate the war man yeah and um well we hate we hate an unjust War yes absolutely yeah yeah anyway it's uh yeah it's a mess but the human sacrifice aspect is is Alive and Well in our society I think it really is it's just dressed up in a different way yeah MH yeah rhetoric around it but they've always been able to justify it like an Apocalypto was like yeah so the crops will be better hey we'll just you know yeah kill a few people yeah and then I had all these people come out of the woodwork hey
16:52 we're we're archaeologists and scientists and that never happened so there's this revisionism about it too that it didn't happen but there are accounts from the time where yes people did witness these things and um and of course I had a bunch of battery of archaeologists and scientists and professors on my own that say yeah well this stuff did happen and here's the here's the you know the depictions of it in paintings and images and you know so it's like it did happen so when you when you set out to make a movie like that like what first of all what brings you to that did you get the script first first like what was it an idea that you had in your head it was uh it just came from in here and I was working on something a buddy of mine said so what
17:38 do you want to do next I said ah man I want to direct something and I always want to direct a chase film he said what kind of Chase I said a foot chase he said what I said yeah people chasing you I mean there's something kind of Primal and scary about a foot chase and I think in order to have a foot chase you can't have a society where there's any kind of cars or anything anything like that otherwise you have a car chase but I want to film a foot chase like it's a car chase and uh he said H I said what are you thinking I said well I'm thinking if you go back before Columbus discovered America you know and it's like uh people assumed that Columbus discovered America and then life began I said I want to know what was happening right before he got there before he got there and I said so I had this idea that
18:24 you see all this stuff going on and there's no time period on it and then all of a sudden you date it by the arrival of Europeans and I thought it's kind of like the rodling you know Planet of the Apes in here it's like it's kind of a cool cool ending and he said oh wow and he said where do you think Columbus landed I said why don't let's look so I looked up and the first peoples he encountered were Mayan trading canoes off the coast of Honduras and I thought cool what was happening in Honduras you know and you look at these towns and and pyramids and temples and stuff at that time and then the story was born from there and of course then we read the book by Jared Diamond collaps I read the Mind Bible the popal Vu and you know tried to delve
19:10 into what they believed and and what their civilization was like and they had Concepts as we do of Heaven and Hell of punishment or reward you know it was a little different quite a bit different actually in fact when I went down to uh the arch olical sites at Hill midor they dug something up and it was like well what is it and they said we don't know it could there was this carved image in the stone of this Mayan Warrior drinking and he had an ear spool and it was like H so they dug further and further and it went like 26 MERS down and it was the entire story of the popal Vu W of the twins going into hell and getting their father's head and swimming
19:55 back and it was it's this crazy story and it um uh kind of dated that book because I think it was a almost 3,000 years old this this uh mural this carving so it tells you that the story is pretty old and they thought initially it was probably back in the 1300s but this confirmed that it was at least 2,600 years old something like that yeah so it's pretty cool that to be there when they're digging that stuff up is mindblowing well they're missing so much of the May history it's very coffee I want some water that's water in there water they're missing so much of the Mayan history you know because everybody's gone but um one of the you ever see that very bizarre carving where it looks like there's a guy who's
20:41 sitting in a cockpit of a spaceship like looking through some sort of an an eye thing yeah they got some weird stuff it's like weird yeah where there's fire underneath the chair like what is that they got dudes that look like Europeans they have these guys with red beards helmets and stuff it's like these Phoenician guys who probably traveled over there early on yeah probably maybe in the sixth Century or something like that so they it wasn't that long a boat ride so they probably went over there and made contact and they they thought they were gods or something and then they went away again and they said well wait for them to come back and uh of course they did come back but it didn't work out the same no no no well there's so many accounts of you
21:27 know people visiting the especially when you get into the Amazon sure oh I don't know about the Amazon oh my God what's tell me about that well first of all the Amazon used to be filled with people and most of the Amazon is man-made the jungle in the Amazon is agriculture yeah wow yeah okay the jungle and the Amazon they didn't even know this until fairly recently mhm and they now know from flying over they use light liar which is this uh Light mini radar so they so when they use this laser radar when they fly over it they're finding all these grids and Pathways and cities in the jungle so the jungle had consumed all these cities you think there was millions and millions of people living in the Amazon and that Europeans came over diseases
22:12 everybody dies jungle consumes a city people come back 200 years later looking for it like the lost city of Z like that uh that story right they go back to look and there's there's nothing left yeah Guns Germs and Steel yeah yeah yeah great yeah wow that's fascinating I don't have to look into that and we're going through all those things right now Guns Germs and Steel oh yeah oh my God yeah germs yeah oh God the germs I had I'm just just on the tail end of some hideous flu that was going I don't know if you did you get the h5n1 or whatever the [ __ ] it is I don't know what the hell yeah I've had that that was the swine thing I had swine flu one time I you had that 2009 I yes it was around then yeah yeah it was it was an epidemic a pandemic whatever you want to call it
22:58 but it didn't have the same sort of press releases that Co did sure I got the swine I acted more like a pig you know it's terrible terrible wallowing in my own mud so uh I like Flight Risk it's fun movie oh it's a whole you know it's a it's a hoot I mean I think the first thing you got to do with any film and I think it's incumbent upon all directors artists to entertain first in some fashion even if it's a heavy story you have to find some some aspect of it that entertains and uh and I think this for entertainment's sake is just fun and it's quick I'm I'm not subjecting you to four hours of like watching autism dry right it's like it's like uh you know it's 85 90 minutes yeah
23:45 it's a good time yeah and Mark is insane yeah he's great in it he plays a good psycho oh he's a psychopath Mark's got a good Dark Side there's some there's some dark stuff there that he was able to draw from and uh every you know and then he'd let it out I can't even repeat some of the stuff he'd say in fact we had to cut most of it out it was like really sick but uh we we hint at it anyway when you make a movie now I mean you've had such a career when you make a movie now like what motivates you at this point in your life um like how do you how do you decide let's hit the green light on this one yeah there are things that speak to me and uh and they speak for a for a long time it's uh I remember when I was a a kid in high
24:32 school I was studying English and said well where did the English language come from and they talked about wow it came from this old guttural German Old Norse that the Vikings brought across and I was thinking well that's cool the Vikings you know and then immediately I start thinking man somebody should make I want to make a film about Vikings and they only speak in Old Norse because if if if they say if they say h you know if they speak speak English all of a sudden right you're not buying it but if they're speaking some guttural language you're sort of scared by them and it's like that's scary to me and then I said to myself I'm 17 years old why am I thinking about making films about Vikings I don't know anything about making films and not much about Vikings so why the hell am I even thinking about that but that was something that was
25:19 early on was like a drive I guess to sort of depict things like that so I did films in other languages in Mayan and in in Aramaic in in Latin you know so and there's the power to that I noticed when I was young I used to go and watch a lot of foreign films and I watch French movies right or German or whatever they were Spanish I'd watch them and I think wow the acting's great in those and it seemed better because of the subtitles because more believable somehow I don't know right because you're not you're not hearing insincerity in their voice CU you don't even understand what they're saying no yeah you just feel the emotions and words and it also it has to take your attention because you have to do another function you have to read yeah which is another thing that's sort
26:05 of maybe blinds you to the flaws in the film making perhaps so you know hey it's a great trick yeah it's alisation there's a there is a thing about reading it while you're watching it's like an added element of concentration MH you know like subtitled movies you feel like you're a smarter person watching a movie where you're reading it as well yeah and there's yeah there's something about the written word that's like it's a pretty interesting thing to throw into the mix I know when I first started it was kind of confusing but then I got really good at it and I think uh especially with something like what the passion that I did the written word was very important because it was you know you got all those books the Bible you know you've got the the different gospels and stuff that people are quite familiar with half the time they didn't even need to read
26:51 the subtitles they could look at it and know what was going on playoffs we're talking about playoffs you bet we are get get in on the action with draftking Sportsbook an official sports betting partner of the NFL scoring touchdowns is key to winning the playoffs and you can score big by betting on them at DraftKings the number one place to bet touchdowns ready to place your bet try betting on something simple like a player to score six go to draftking Sportsbook app and make your pick new draftking customers can bet five bucks to get $200 in bonus bets instantly download the draftking Sportsbook app and use the code Rogan that's code Rogan for new customers to get $200 in bonus bets instantly when you bet just five
27:37 bucks only on draftking Sportsbook the crown is yours gambling problem call 1800 Gambler in New York call 8778 hopen Y or text heny 467 369 in Connecticut help is available for problem gambling called 888 78977 77 or visit ccpg dorg please play responsibly on behalf of Boot Hill Casino in Resort in Kansas 21 and over age and eligibility varies by jurisdiction void in Ontario bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance for additional terms and responsible gaming resources see dk. co/ audio that was a crazy movie because uh it was a great movie but it seemed like there was resistance to that movie oh yeah no there was which uh I I thought was very strange there was like Hollywood
28:23 resistance to that movie like people didn't like that you were making it it seemed like yeah there's a lot of there was a lot of opposition to it and uh I don't know it's I think if you ever hit on that subject matter you're going to get people going because of course it's big subject matter and it's like uh you know and my contention is you know when I was making it it was like you're making this film and the idea was that we're all responsible for this that his sacrifice was For All Mankind and that for all all our ills and all all the things in our fallen nature it was a Redemption so you know and I believe that you know I I actually am you know I
29:09 was born into a Catholic Family I'm very Christian in my beliefs you know so I do actually believe this stuff to the full so depicting that was an honor but it was also yeah you got the you got the Daylights beat out of your for it yeah because there's there's resistance first of all from secular Hollywood mhm where for whatever reason Christianity is the one religion that you're allowed to disparage yeah Christianity is the one religion where people all these Progressive open-minded leftist people they'll embrace all these different religions until it comes to Christianity and for whatever reason that represents like white male you know whatever it represents colonialism you know whatever it you
29:56 know whatever it represents it's negative yeah sure it's gotten a bad rap and they people do feel free to beat up on it MH even I do when I see it's like you know when it's not fair when I think it's off right like uh you know when they appoint some Cardinal in some dasis and he's been covering up for like people who are child molesters you know like Theodore mccarrick or Cardinal whirl or those kind of guys I mean or the pope yes absolutely I'm I'm not Benedict oh not Ben well he was covering up but yeah so is the guy now is he really well yeah yeah it's it's not great I thought he was like the more Progressive Pope oh he's very Progressive yes but he's covering up for stuff as well well they they all are I mean it's a it's a a dark institution in
30:43 a lot of ways cuz it's history you know well you know the institution it was instituted by Christ you know but that doesn't mean that it can't be flawed and there's a school of thought that says it isn't what it purports to be anymore it's it's moved away from what it was intended to be and what it is uh almost there's a guy called um Bishop vegano who says it's a counterfeit parallel church and it's it's running an entirely different religion I actually don't I don't adhere to a post-conciliar church I adhere can you define what that means okay um there was an event that
31:29 happened in the in the 60s first there was an event in the Vatican where they elected John the 23d pope right in 1958 I was two years old right um he was elected and there was a very funny thing that happened in the conclave you know usually there's white and black smoke that goes out of the the chimneys to tell you we have a pope you know habam us pop him you know and the white smoke came out and everybody cheered and they went crazy and then about a half an hour later black smoke came out that never in history has that happened that the white smoke came out and then the black smoke came out so white smoke means we found a new pope black smoke means no Pope that's right they'd have votes or
32:14 there'd be one reason or another they'd have a round in the conclave and black smoke would come out many times many times maybe maybe it would take two weeks but never was it known that white smoke came out then black smoke came out so what was the scenario that somebody was elected and that maybe something else happened and he was pushed aside and someone else was put in ah so it was power struggle some kind of power struggle and um of course the man who came out was a man called Angela ronali and he was John the 23rd now it's interesting to note that never had a pope taken the name of another Pope ever before in history but this man man took the name of a known anti-pop from the
33:01 15th century that kmo deedi put in there as his own man I'll get you in the chair and then everything will be Rosy you know everything will go good for business you know whatever he was putting him in there for some corrupt reason but um and there have been corrupt men in that place before I mean there's Alexander I 6 and Julius II and 6us I fourth I mean some of these guys are you know they're not Saints um so he took the name of a known anti-pop from the fifth century who actually said yes I'm an anti-pop sorry I'm not the right guy because there was more than one and he confessed to being and he wanted to you know Square things with with the Almighty I guess so he confessed to being an anti-pop and uh so he took the same name as that guy John the
33:48 23rd so it's interesting don't you think I mean I why would he do that well whenever you have that kind of power like I'm sure you've been to the Vatican right yeah it's stunning yes it's huge it's so cra when you're walking around you see the just the massive amount just the dollar value in the art that they possess yeah it's [ __ ] insane it's crazy yeah and uh you know it's a very small country it's a country yeah it's a country inside of a small City yeah cuz Rome's not the biggest city no and then it's got a country inside the city yeah with a with walls around it sure and you can't extradite people yeah pretty weird how convenient yeah even ratzinger he
34:33 didn't drive from the Vatican to the other place he flew o and it was only a little while cuz who knows why I don't know well he was wanted yes yeah I mean he had done one of the things that he had done was he had moved a priest that had molested a hundred kids and he moved him to some new place where he molested deaf kids yeah yeah boy yeah yeah I know that's the the dirtiest most evil practice that the Catholic church has been accused of I think so and many institutions as well but that is a very bad one and uh I think it's all part and parcel of the same corruption that crept in and when
35:19 you asked what's the difference between prev Vatican 2 so Vatican 2 happened and of course they they took the church and they they reformed it and they changed things in it and it didn't necessarily agree with everything that went before it and up to that point yeah you could find it agreed with itself but all of a sudden you got something else to the point we now I mean I mean we got a pope that brought a a South American Idol into the church to worship really he did the pcha mama he bought the South and he got know what that is it's a it's kind of like a South American God patcha mam say any why would he do
36:05 that good question but he did did he have an explanation for why he did it yeah it's kind of a weasel worded thing of like oh all religions are just as good as one another but you know if that's his contention he shouldn't be the pope no I mean how can you be the pope if you say all religions are just as good yeah we all worship you know so yeah that's patcha Mama there you go so he brought that in yeah into the Vatican then the Hier he the hierarch even worshiped that they had a ceremony around it outside what well that constitutes apostasy J it's that's an apostasy move all right worshiping false gods yeah that's number one on the Mosaic Hit List you know Moses goes up on the mountain he comes back down people are worshiping in a golden calf yeah you know it's it's that yeah so you
36:51 can't do that and uh for me that's a departure from what you know that's called apostasy it's a falling away from it and the Very nature of apostasy means that you have to be part of it to fall away from it mhm so it's an inside job ah so what do you think there's a motive Behind these things I don't think you well probably what do you think it is I don't know but it isn't good I think look I think we're we we're looking at a world where and this is the in the next film I'm going to do I'm going to try and Tackle this question that there are big Realms
37:36 spiritual Realms there's good there's evil and they are slugging it out for the souls of mankind and my question is why are we even important little old flawed Humanity why are we important in that process where the big Realms are slugging it out over us and I think there's bigger things at play here and institutions that purport to touch on the Divine are necessarily going to be affected by that slugfest that's going on between good and evil right and and sometimes good gives up ground yeah and maybe not on purpose you know maybe there's some deception involved or self deception coed every
38:22 morning when I wake up I actually pray that I don't deceive myself you know because it's like you know your mind is a very funny place I mean there's uh I've always said you know it's your second thought and your first action that that you're responsible for your first thought throw it away you know right but upon consideration yeah the second thought is what you're responsible for yeah that's the difference between first degree and second degree murder there you go right right there first degree like I'm plotting this out and we we take that into consideration when we sentence people sure like if you're a person who just you're all of a sudden you're in a fight with a guy you didn't expect it and you stab him and kill him second degree murder yeah but if you're like
39:08 I'm going to kill this [ __ ] I'm going to find out where he is and I'm going to go get him first degree sure I planned a lot of murders in my life you know we all have yeah in your head you plan the murder and you think well that's not a very good idea but I think I could get away with it right there's the second thought yeah that is interesting that we take that into consideration yeah that we do like if you've had time to think about it you're a different kind of person the person acts in the ACT sure you're in your animal passion yes and I found this out I actually spent a long time in my animal brain which is a very horrible place to be and um when you say that what do you mean by youve spent a long time in your animal brain you're in flight or fight right all the time you don't even sleep it's like really not a
39:56 good place to be and if anybody looks at you the wrong way you want to bite them yeah and sometimes you say and do things that are socially unacceptable and you know I went and got a brain scan by this guy called Daniel Amen who's this brain guy he's against all psych meds and stuff but he thinks like let me have a look at your brain and he put a radioactive tracer in me whoa and to photograph my brain he works yeah he works with a lot of football players and guys who had brain injuries man it's thirsty in here but but um so he he looked at my brain and he was like and he opens the file and I'm in there with the guy and he looks up and he goes are you okay and he go first no first he went
40:41 like this and I said what and he are you okay like that and I said yeah I think so and he he came over and he sat next to me but very slowly and cautiously he says no you're not and I said what do you mean he says you got the worst case of PTS I've have ever seen and I said you mean like even worse than guys in Mo and [ __ ] like that and he goes yeah and he says you're not okay Jesus Christ and and I was like and I and I started I started to well up you know like no no I'm not it's like oh boy and it was uh he had a very miraculous and uh great remedy for it which was to eat a bunch
41:28 of fish oil vitamin B complex and get into a hyperbaric chamber for 40 sessions but make sure you do at least two or three a week ah it fixed my head really yeah it got me out of that wacky place you know so it was something to do with nutrition and oxygen and yeah and your brain is neuroplastic he he explained neuroplasticity to me and how okay you could get brain damage and like holes in your head and all you know concuss I used to play rugby ah I've been knocked out on the field a couple of times you know that explains a lot you know yeah and um so it actually you can actually heal the holes in your head it look like swiss cheese in it's like horrible there L A lot of these football players get like
42:14 that too the poor guys I mean they get depressed and they oh yeah you know oh yeah hormonal imbalance pituitary glands [ __ ] up oh yeah yeah absolutely yeah not producing testosterone or human growth hormone correctly that's correct yeah depression low energy yep irritability irritability when I kill somebody you know it's like terrible you know and uh and it's just not socially acceptable plus I don't want to go to prison yeah well the rugby I bet that's a a giant Factor uh yeah I I played from like 13 to probably in my late teens and and you get knocked around a little 100% yeah there's no if fans or butts about that no helmet no you know well people don't realize like even shots to the chest cause brain damage oh yeah yeah that's what people are realizing now
42:59 yeah sure I mean you know and like I'm addicted to the UFC right I love it but I know that these guys are I I feel kind of sorry for them I do as well and and one of the guys I I knew one of the guys fairly well and usually I'm pretty immune to like but like he was in there and he was fighting against volovski it was Brian Ortega and he was getting his ass handed to him in one fight he almost almost got him a couple of times but like yeah he almost submitted him twice yeah I know but because I knew Brian it was like my CH it was like my son was in there I almost started crying I was and it got to me I was like I should probably feel like this about all these guys but I don't know them as well it becomes a problem for me when I'm friends with a guy and then and then
43:45 also I see when they're on the tail end of their career and they can't take shots anymore and then when you talk to them you recognize the speech patterns are slurring yeah yeah I met Muhammad Ali when he was in a chair you know o and um man I don't know if I could even tell this story what he said was so funny but he was still in there and he was still a little devil and he was like uh and he was still he was still [ __ ] with people of course but it was like uh I I can't tell the story you can't no man okay footnote it tell me later I'll tell you later it is funny but it was my assistant you know it's what he said to my assistant was like so funny and um and and then he said it and we all were like whoa and then I looked at him and
44:30 he was just laughing he was laughing his ass off so he was still all in there but it was hard I guess he had the damage of being punched yeah trauma related Parkinson's disease yes very common for Fighters God oh no yeah yeah yeah it's not good I got knocked out when I in a fight when I was like 20 and it was like knocked out like out and it was uh you know I woke up in the hospital not good no well a few of those will explain a lot yes it does yeah and we didn't know that you know back then that's why it always drives me crazy in a movie when someone gets hit over the head with a gun and knocked out and then five minutes later they're fighting and they're fine you know or shot in the arm
45:15 you know got to kill you you know that always makes me laugh too but we used to do it you know well you kind of have to right it's like part of the whole thing of telling a movie you got to sure I mean Michelle Docker even brains Mark Wahlberg with a fire extinguisher at one point it's yeah he's back you know brains him shoots him oh yeah he's a cockroach you can't kill him it takes a lot more we you'll find out yeah but uh we're you know people used to think that concussions are just something you recover from like no big deal you get a concussion take a break for a little while you'll be fine you might not be fine no you're not I got a concussion at my daughter's wedding this is really weird okay so
46:00 she's getting married married a great guy they got a great family and um a buddy of mine from Australia comes to the wedding and he goes comes up and I I go to hug him and he he Ducks down and he comes up and he puts his shoulder into the point of my chin the guy weighs 240 and he puts his shoulder into the point of my chin and knocks me the [ __ ] out Jesus Christ I'm like and like for the next four months I'm messed up I have to get like a guy to work cranial sacral you know fix me up and stuff like that it really messed me [ __ ] Australians yeah yeah there you go wild folk worse than Germans yeah they just wild ex prisoners yeah yeah wild prisoner of mother England yeah yeah anyway so this this story that you
46:48 want to tell about Good and Evil like do you have a script or is it just a thing in your head like what is it yeah it's it's it's the resurrection story and but it's it's uh it's not just it's not linear because you can't really it's hard to understand so it's got to be put in a framework where you answer a few other questions as well and you have to juxtapose the event itself against everything else so that it makes some kind of sense in in a bigger picture which is a hard thing to do and it took my brother and I about and and a guy called Randall Wallace plus my brother and I took us six seven years to write
47:35 it so are you doing this with historians as well are you trying to make it yeah yeah yeah historical stuff well I regard I regard the gospel says history it's verifiable history some people say oh it's a fairy tale he never existed but he did and there are other accounts verifiable historical accounts outside the biblical ones that also bear this up that yes he did exist and um and and the other aspect of that is that the all the evangelists the apostles who went out there um every single one of those guys died rather than deny their belief and nobody dies for a lie nobody right so that's part of what I'm doing it's like showing nobody dies for a lie yeah well
48:23 the resurrection is the one that is the most diff difficult for people to swallow yes that is the one that requires the most Faith the most faith and the most belief yeah Resurrection yeah who who who gets back up three days later after he gets murdered in public um who gets back up under his own power Buddha didn't do that [ __ ] right you know so you believe that was a real event yeah I do yeah what brought you to that belief is this something that you've always had or is it something you you studied it and you've come to this conclusion because of the historical accounts and yes uh I think as a child you know one accepts things on faith because you know you're raised by people who are nice to you and they believe it
49:10 and my dad was a pretty smart guy he was like Mena smart you know like real smart like back in 1968 he won Jeopardy right and then really and then they brought all the Jeopardy winners back and he played all the winners and he beat all of them too so he had a mind like a steel trap and his memory was practically photographic my memory is pornographic but it's like it's like his his was like I don't have that that kind of mind right um but I'm more like he did math and you know I can't add but uh um so as a child you learn um these things and you accept them on faith and I still have that Faith but as I got older I came to it through intellect and
49:56 through reading and putting things together and accounts and then occurrences like in my own life you know I mean just recently they verified the shroud of Trin have you seen that I've been reading about it and I know that there's some contention there's some some discussion and debate about it but they used to think that it was only a couple hundred years old and now they've they've changed that yeah they said no it it's back then they also don't understand how it was made which to me is very fascinating it's not paintt it's not they don't know what caused the image itself and how that technology would have even been available it wasn't yeah a couple thousand years ago an intense light I mean Atomic to leave almost like a
50:42 photographic imprint on a piece of cloth yeah and it's wild pull that up pull the shroud of turn up oh yeah it's wild to look at because it's it's so interesting oh yeah and you can see it that it depicts a first century Hebrew male because the hairstyle was from the first century and a Hebrew hairstyle that he was about 6 feet tall that he was completely scourged all over his body he was crucified um the one on the left is the one on the right is just like an artistic rendition that's the face yeah click on that one the face the face yeah that's good enough get that large that's [ __ ] crazy yeah yeah scourged beaten a CRA the the wounds on the the Thorns
51:30 the hands the feet uh and and the scourging and the the the hairstyle was from the first century and the pollins that they found in the cloth were from that region yeah uh also the weave was a first century weave that was typical and another guy an archaeologist who I knew who actually translated the passion in Aramaic told me that if you look close you can see the the the image of a tiberious coin marks on the eyes now I don't know if that's real or not I've never actually checked that but that there's images of tiberious on the coin so they would put the coins over the eyes yeah so that would date it uh but they have now verified that it
52:17 does actually go back to that time period for a while they were testing pieces that had been repaired in the 13th century or right you know what is the latest on that Jamie can you see see like I I was trying to get that I had I have two different articles from within the last 6 months saying opposite yeah opposite of course know which one sounded the most accurate well it's such a crazy thing to even try to verify like what are you like what are you saying you're saying that this is really the Shroud that Jesus was covered in so you're saying Jesus historically absolutely did exist and we think that this is the Shroud that covered him that just that alone people incredulity people immediately they they they their hackles raised like wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute and they just
53:02 instead of like looking at it objectively they don't almost always want to look at it from a point of view of dis disproving it immediately dismissing it immediately but that's you know that's science isn't it you have to sort of you know you play The Devil's Advocate and and that's okay go for it you know um do you are you aware of Graham Hancock oh no Graham Hancock is uh he's sort of a historian that has a very uh he's got a series on Netflix he's a fascinating guy and his his career started because he was investigating this these accounts in Ethiopia of the Ark of the Covenant and that they believe the Ark of the Covenant is in this one church that's protected by all these monks that wind up getting cataracts and radiation
53:48 disease and sickness and they think that it's because they're protecting this Arc of the Covenant this this actual thing that it's an actual physical thing that's there and if you touch it you get zapped yeah yeah and that even being in its presence [ __ ] these people up maybe maybe who knows I mean it's got to be someplace right they buried it they lost track of it yeah but uh man it used to be and and all the stories are if you even touched it you fall over you know cuz it constructed electrically somehow yeah like what is that what's in there yeah why why is it giving people cancer if they're really protecting it I think it's the actual structure of the container it's in that that is the problem that's my thought on I could be wrong but I think inside it they have things from like uh when Moses was
54:36 like mana and you know stuff like that that they they managed to keep from like for example they they say that uh that golgatha the place where the crucifixion happened it's called golgatha the place of the skull because that's where Adam's head is buried really yes and that that it's also perhaps the same place and and it it tells you it's kind of in the same area where Abraham almost sacrifices Isaac oh so it's interesting yeah and it's uh and and the cross when in any artistic depiction at the foot of
55:23 the cross underneath it is the skull uh representing the skull of Adam huh so it's interesting yeah yeah there it is yeah that's the skull of Adam huh yep wow place of the skull memory myth in the chapel of Adam what did you uh find on the shroud of Torin Jamie both those articles just asked like one person like one re researcher thought it was another researcher based off of their research said it wasn't can you put it to the one that thought it was um so the one who thought it was is a like aarch a nuclear researcher Jesus Christ the other one was like a AI artist from Brazil yeah so I I don't know who has
56:10 the most so it says study published in the journal Heritage the authors conducted dating work on a sample from the Shroud coming to the conclusion that it may be a 2,000-year-old relic the Shroud which has long been the subject of intense scrutiny features a faint image of a man some believe is the body of Jesus miraculously imprinted onto the cloth while the latest study does not discuss the question whether or not the artifact was indeed Jesus's b b uh burial shroud specifically the authors did find its age is roughly consistent with his time [Music] oh yeah yeah I think isn't the smithonian guy all for it I don't know maybe that's him I don't know but uh yeah there's for and against there's always been yeah yeah always but it's
56:57 just but the but the but the image is like yeah it's pretty crazy yeah whatever it is is pretty crazy and the fact that they don't know how they made it is also pretty crazy yeah it's not a painting no then not not exactly sure how it even came about yeah it had to have been some kind of intense light well the the thought was that even trying to replicate something like that today would be incredibly difficult to do sure it's like an x-ray vision you know it's like an x-ray that's what it they you only see you really see it in the negative only right you know right it's like a negative yeah yeah H hey I buy it but but but that's not the only reason I buy it I mean I think you know there's other logical reasons why I why I believe so like what are those oh
57:45 okay stuff that happens in your own life the results you get from actually appealing to a power greater than yourself you know and I mean I don't think it's any secret I am flawed in the fact that I am by Nature born an alcoholic right I did drugs I did alcohol so and there was nothing that could stop me from doing that nothing so I was really kind of on you're on a downhill run so I regard the fact that I was able to appeal to something greater than myself to help me and actually stop me doing that I think that's a miracle it is for me it is and for many you know so
58:34 well that is the thing about AA right it's it's a part of the whole process is appealing to a higher power sure it's spiritual program because you're suffering your spiritual malady you know yeah so it's a spiritual cure and that's the essence I think of why it works because you can't explain it otherwise I mean it's well you kind of can but um I think what you're being asked to do is to think about other people and other things more than yourself because it's kind of an ego disease yeah so if you that is the problem with addiction right it's very narcissistic very narciss you're constantly thinking about yourself and
59:20 what you need I need a drink I need a bump I need a you know I need something sure I need and no matter what you need it's never going to be enough right right so you actually have to appeal to something outside that you consider bigger and better than yourself which instantly kind of pushes you more in the direction of humility because because you're not the center of the universe anymore right and that you can't do it and the first step in any of that sort of stuff is accepting that you are powerless over it that's the first that's the first uh that's the most power powerful step you can do is that you're powerless when you realize that you're like okay yeah there's [ __ ] all I can do about this I have to appeal to something better than me and that to me
1:00:06 is a miracle yeah yeah well it's a very uniquely human thing the ability to course correct and also just the the concept of addiction in the first place sure you know it's a very uniquely human thing that we all know there's dark roads our mind can go down and then we wonder like what is the purpose of these dark thoughts what is the purpose of this destructive behavior that we're all prone to in some way shape or form what is the purpose of everything I mean like I mean why am I here what's the meaning of this and I'm looking for purpose and and uh what is it we're here for I think you know we have to leave some stuff but you have to leave some good stuff you can leave plenty of bad stuff you know and it's uh and we're all prone that way
1:00:54 I often think about you know the human race as a whole you know you think about guys like you know Stalin or Hitler or chairman Mau or and I'm I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be sharing a cell in the afterlife with those guys you know right I don't know where I'll be on the ladder but uh um depends on how you end up right well that's it yeah it really is it's it's like you know and we're allowed to make mistakes and we do we are so flawed and I am I I'm more flawed than anyone you know but it's uh um something that you I think and it's pretty safe to say I'm in the third act now you're in act two right go do tight but I'm I'm like I'm in the third act man so you got you have to think
1:01:40 about the other side you to think about what comes next is there a next yes there is I believe there is and I think it's U uh depends on how you live now and uh and the beauty of believing is that even for your transgressions you can be forgiven and you can be redeemed but it's all up here right you know is the true acceptance and understanding of what you've done and what you should do sure you have to look at yourself honestly yeah yeah yeah absolutely honestly you have to be able to accuse
1:02:25 use yourself and uh and understand that there is there it's a great deal of Mercy involved in the fact that I believe that God sent his son down to tell us okay I'm going to Ransom you people from your Fallen nature and um and I'll give you a road map on how to do it and um and people do it there's even people that do it that I've never even heard of it you know some guy in the jungle some place I'm sure right you know because the Creator is above the law me it's an interesting fact to note
1:03:14 that the first canonized Saint you know who it was no the first ever confirmed canonization as a saint was dismus you know dismus was no he was hanging he was the thief on the cross next to Jesus Oh and he says to him you're going to be okay this day you'll be with me unbaptized Criminal all that stuff so wow the lawmaker is above the law so there's a lot of Mercy what about people that never experience Christianity what about the the uncontacted people that's right that's what I'm saying some guy in the Le yeah it's been known that uh it's called Invincible
1:04:02 ignorance because they don't know what the truth is MHM you know it's possible that they can be saved as well I you know so what are your thoughts on Evolution W the Darwin thing yeah I don't really go for it no yeah Ice Age dinosaurs you know what did they turn into I mean things became extinct at some point I don't think I was some kind of like you know legless thing that crawled out of the ocean I don't think I came from that I think I was created do you
1:04:47 think other things were legless things that came out of the ocean do you think like multi-celled organisms came out of single celled organisms and there was some sort of a natural selection and random mutation and it led to everything else but us sure look at gain of function right you can like you can make stuff happen and I'm sure stuff did happen um but I think it's all part of creation I think it's all ordered I think anyone left anything left to itself without some kind of intelligence behind it will devolve into chaos and so that there has to be some big intelligence that orchestrates everything not that we don't have chaos in the world but I think that's our own
1:05:35 making but what do you think separates us from all the other creatures wow I think we have a soul we're created with a soul um and you know I went to a restaurant last night it was a steakhouse in Austin and it was interesting because all the pictures on the wall are pictures of animals that look resentful like cows and steers staring at you looking angry as you rip into a stake but um I just believe we we are higher than those creatures because we have a soul we have an intellect above theirs and uh and we aspire to to higher things we have we have aspirations right um and
1:06:21 you know this is part of why people drink and smoke and do dope and all this kind of stuff is because they're looking for a a spiritual experience they're looking for like they actually call alcohol Spirits I mean it's they're looking for something higher and I think we all have that yearning in that we want to be happy and uh we want to be at peace and we want everything to be hunky dory so there's this yearning in buil in all of us for that to Aspire to something greater and that's why we're inspired by stories I think because it's like U you know Hero Stories you know Joseph Campbell stuff the hero with a thousand faces and stuff it's like these stories Inspire us I met I I was at a party the
1:07:07 other day in in uh in Tennessee and you think Tennessee what's going to happen there it's going to be squeal like a pig no man there's some people live in Tennessee sure but like amazing people and I found myself in a conversation with four tier one dudes all of who did something extraordinary and it was that Tom Slatterly guy it was the Blackhawk Down guy there was Shawn Ryan who's he's got you probably heard of this guy friend of his yeah right yeah there was um a guy called Christian craige head you know who that guy is no whoa and then there was uh Eddie they wrote a book about him Eddie gallager Gallagher Yeah Eddie Gallagher
1:07:55 I was talking to four of these guys at the same time and I didn't know who to
…
