0:00 Health is based on mental, physical, and spiritual. Now, our healthc care is mental and physical, and they've lost the spiritual. So, what we miss is if you have something that's persistent and consistent, you keep getting sick over and over and over and over and over again, or you have some sort of sickness, rheumatoid arthritis or allergy or asthma or something, and it's a persistent thing. In almost all cases, those persistent issues have spiritual roots of a sin somewhere. It could be generationally. It doesn't have to be yours. So my first response is always just in case that maybe it's a spiritual route. So let's try the process. Let's ask God, is there a spiritual route to this thing I'm dealing with? Maybe you see it disappear. You've taken this into the world. What you have found is that
0:45 people are healed at an astonishing 90% clip when going through this process. Yes, most Christians have been taught to pray for healing, but very few have actually seen it happen or have any idea that there's a scriptural process by which healing works. Today's guest, Batty Carmichael, spent years wrestling with the same frustrations many of us feel. People praying for healing, desperate for breakthrough, but seeing almost nothing change. That search and God's prompting led him to a scripture-based discovery that's producing real consistent results. Not because of a rare gift, but because
1:31 it follows the biblical mechanics that God laid out for healing. In this conversation, you're going to hear stories of people healed instantly. But more importantly, you'll learn the simple biblical process behind those healings that anyone can use and that Batty has seen work at an astonishing 90% success rate. If you or someone you love has battled something that you can't shake, even if it's plagued you for years, or you've been wondering why your prayers for healing aren't working, then this episode may be one of the most impactful videos you could ever watch. Please meet Batty Carmichael.
2:17 Welcome. I'm so glad that you are here. Thank you, Stacy. I'm really excited about being here. The conversation is about the healing of physical and even mental and emotional maladies through biblically rooted spiritual means. And so that's what you do. And your route to be where you are right now is really interesting in itself to me. So why don't you take us back to how you got into the healing spiritual healing side of things to begin with to where you are now.
3:02 >> Yeah, it's a real interesting story. Uh I don't know if you know this part, but actually started almost 200 years ago and um I come from a line of seven generations of medical doctors, one after another after another. And not just a single doctor, but all the branches all the way up. And my generation, no one went into medicine. I went into business. And uh about 10 years ago, I grew up in a we were talking earlier, I grew up in a um a very conservative church. And looking backwards at it now, it was kind of a legalistic church, very black and white, pretty dogmatic. They believe this and this is absolute truth concept
3:50 and part of that was there was no miraculous healings. I mean God can and sometimes does do miraculous healing or divine intervention healing but it's only if it's his will and we don't know his will. It definitely doesn't happen because one person prayed in faith and someone else doesn't. So I was taught for this was like 35 years that when you pray it's Lord heal this person if it be your will because you might actually have brought this sickness on him to teach him something. That's where I was 10 years ago. I was watching a docu series on Netflix of all places and it was a trilogy series. A
4:38 guy goes out with a camera and just videoing people who pray for people in the public spaces and they get healed. You know, people walking with a cane, no longer need it. Walking with crutches, no longer need it. In a wheelchair, get out and start walking. And I couldn't believe it. And I couldn't let it go. It just it consumed me. And I went through all three series. I started researching everything. And I felt that God was putting a burden in my heart to go out and and do this myself. But I didn't know it was God's will. And I knew enough about praying that to pray without believing is wasted effort. you
5:24 know, you can't to expect it to happen, you have to have faith. And I did not know if it was God's will. So, I spent the next six months, I know this sounds crazy, but you come from a similar background, uh, trying to determine, is it really God's will that he wants people healed, right? I mean, it's like it seems like such a simple thing from our perspective now, but but that's really where I was. And I went to my church and they had no clue. So I had to go outside of the wall if that makes sense. And I found that there's a whole another world of Christianom outside the wall. And so I started to pursue the written the the books and conferences of people that
6:10 professed to be going out and praying for people and seeing healing. And the evidence was clear. They were seeing healing. But I I did something maybe a little bit different. I had no interest in their opinion. I was reading their books and going to their seminars to see what scriptures they were basing their interpretation on. And then I would go back to the Bible and say, "God, show me." And I would start reading these scriptures and I go, "Oh my gosh, that's exactly what it said." I've been reading this for 30 years and I never saw that. because I was seeing it through the lens of how I was being taught at church as opposed to through the lens of the Holy Spirit. And it took six months to come to the absolute conclusion
6:58 it was God's will to heal generally speaking, right? You have to, you know, what about the 95year-old who has cancer? Well, maybe it's his time to die. >> But what about the 20-year-old? God's will is to heal. Okay? And I remember it was October 2016. I was at one of these seminars I was going to try to learn and uh the pastor up on stage. Okay, let's ask the Holy Spirit to come now and just touch everyone. And Holy Spirit, it was in a auditorium and you could just see and feel this sense of the Holy Spirit moving across the room. people you I mean it's almost like a if you've ever you I know you've been to a football stadium um but it's almost like the the wave people jump up and down you see
7:44 this wave moving across the same thing was happening through this auditorium and I didn't feel anything fancy you know people were laughing crying people you know whatever it was with the Holy Spirit and I never had any of those emotional outbursts or feelings but the guy said if you if you feel your fingers tingling that's a gift of healing if If you feel something else, it's a gift of this. I said, "Well, my fingers are tingling a little bit. Maybe God's given me a gift of healing." So, at lunch break, I decided to go out and see. So, this was now I decided it was now time to start praying for people. I went to the gas station, went to a grocery store, went to Walmart, prayed for 18 people. anyone I could find that looked
8:30 like they were in pain. They had a bandaged knee. They were on crutches. They were riding one of the electric scooters in Walmart. And a third, six of those 18 people got instantly healed from things like RSD. This lady was in a white blouse and she had on her right arm a um a black compression sleeve. And I knew enough, okay, it's probably in pain. So I said, "Hey, uh, looks like you're you got a compression sleeve. Are you in pain?" She says, "Yes, I have RSD." I said, "Oh, okay." Like I knew what it was. I had no idea. And uh, I said, "Can I pray for you?" She said, "Don't touch me." I said, "No, no worries. Uh, I'll just guide your husband to pray." So I guided the
9:15 husband to pray. In Jesus' name, I command all the pain to leave. And then I said, "Okay, now test out." She the pain's gone. Oh my gosh. And she's touching it. She'll let her husband touch it. I find I come back later uh come home and I was telling my dad this. He's a doctor and he's always he's a scientist. Uh someone else was um she had degenerative disc in her neck and her back. She had arthritis. She was riding a scooter and had a nurse assistant type person walking with her to take the things off the shelf because she couldn't reach it and she couldn't even look up. Her head was focused in one position. To do that would excruciating pain. I pray for her and say, "How do you feel?" So all the pain's gone. Really? Well, stand up and
10:00 do something you couldn't do. She stands up. She touches her toes. She moves her head all the way around. And I'm thinking, "Are you sure you were really in pain?" So I asked this lady, said, "How long you been working with her?" This nurse assistant. She said, "About two years." I said, "Is this normal?" She said, "No, I've never seen her do that before." So is this type of stuff. I go home and tell my dad these stories. Lady with arthritis heal. This lady with degenerative disc healed. This lady with RSD heal. I said, "What is RSD?" He said, "Well, it's a neurological disease that's incurable." And that was the thing that caught my dad. He said, "If that disappeared, that's a miracle." So that was my journey into this. Um
10:47 I knew enough to know that if Jesus had prayed for them, all 18 people would have been healed. And um uh and I only saw a third. So I would keep going back and say, "Well, what's wrong?" Not what's wrong, but how do you press in? Because I understood it was done by faith that Jesus healed. It says in Acts 10 that Jesus was anointed with a Holy Spirit and it was a Holy Spirit working through Jesus to heal him. So it wasn't Jesus by God, but is Jesus in the same role as we are man by faith. So I realized that there was something different and that my faith wasn't at the level to be where I wanted. So I started to press in and within about a
11:34 year 90% of the people I was praying for were being instantly healed. whatever their issues were where uh I have a lot of people, how do you know they were healed? Did they go to the doctor? So, no, this is more of what I call a um practical healing uh uh where the symptoms disappear. We were talking before we recorded one of the guys I walked up to um he had glaucoma in his left eye. I think it was his left eye. I said, "Well, I didn't know anything about glaucoma." And I said, "What does it feel like? What are the symptoms?" He said, "Every time I open and close my eye, it feels like I've got grit, sand grit all in my eye and it's rough and it hurts. And then as far as visually," he said, "Imagine you park a
12:20 car under a tree for two years and then you look out through the windshield. You know how dirty that would be?" I said, "Yeah." He said, "That's what my eye looks like." I said, "Okay, well, can I pray for you?" And I'd pray for him and said, "Check it out." And it was completely clear. No more grit. He could see perfectly clear. And I saw uh deaf ears healed, glaucoma, all kinds of sciatica, all kinds of arthritis, just joint pain, knee pain, anxiety, depression. Um uh one of my favorite ones, it was really funny. I um was at uh Chick-fil-A and I uh saw this big old dude, black dude, coming in on crutches and he was probably like 6'3, 300 lb, all muscle. He came in with his wife and
13:08 his three teenage kids and his left knee is bandaged and he slides into the um uh into the booth there while his wife goes to order food. And I leaned over and said, "What happened to you?" He said, "I'm a tree cutter and I was cutting trees on the ground and I turned to leave and my foot got caught and he ripped all the ligaments in his left knee." >> I said, "Does it hurt?" He said, "Oh yeah." I mean, I said 0ero to 10. Um, what's the pain level? He said, "It's a 10." So, it must have been fairly recent. And and I always think on this because it's so funny. Here I'm this 155B white dude, bald old man. And here's this big old black guy and he
13:53 doesn't know me from anyone. And I said, "Well, do you want God to heal it?" And he said what most people say. "Well, I know he can." I said, "Well, I didn't ask if you think he can. do you want him to? He said, "Well, yeah." I said, "Well, swing your knee out. Let me pray for it." And now he's kind of hooked. He didn't know what to do, so he kind of swings it out, but you could tell there's some um uh some caution, some not sure what's going on, skepticism, maybe. And so, I just put my hand on his knee and thank the Lord for loving this man. And I asked to heal the knee. I said, "In Jesus name, knee be healed." I said, "Okay, test it out." He said, 'What do you mean?' I said, 'Well, stand up and test it out.' And so he stands up, gets his crutches, and the first
14:40 step he takes, he said,"Oh my god." I said, "What's up?" He said, "It's a four." I said, "Well, sit back down. That means you're going to walk out of here carrying your crutches." So, he sits back down a lot more eagerly. I'm looking over. His three teenage kids are watching, trying to say, "What's going on?" The wife is in line looking over and seeing what's happening. And so I prayed again. I said, "Now test it out." So he stands up. He holds his crutches up and doesn't use them at all. And he's walking normally. And I said, "Come on, man. Go test it all the way. Do a deep knee bend." He goes all the way down, all the way up, totally healed. So this is what I was seeing consistently. And that lasted for about six years. 90%
15:25 everyone. during the same time uh about the same time that um the 90% hit. By the way, uh it hit because of fasting. We can talk about that. Really powerful if you want to walk spirit in spiritual authority. But he also then started taking me into deliverance, the casting out of demons. And uh the first deliverance I did was one of these full-on manifestations. And so it was a, you know, like throw you me into the deep end and say good luck. And I learned a lot from it. But one of the interesting things that started happening is as I would cast the demons out, the symptoms that they were producing in that person, anxiety, depression, whether it's despair or pain
16:11 or whatever it was, as soon as the demon would leave, the symptom would leave. And then as I'm out praying for people and God was was instantly healing them of whatever their symptoms were, I started to get a sense in my spirit that it was the same thing. That what I was seeing in deliverance casting demons out and people instantly being healed of whatever the problem was that demon was creating their life was the same thing I was seeing at Walmart. I used I would just go to Walmart because it was a target-rich place. And when I would pray for them, I sensed that it was the same thing. And then uh this was now about four years ago. It was actually May 2021
16:59 cuz I was going back through some notes. I I was back out at Walmart praying 90% of the people being healed. Went back out two weeks later and crickets. No one. maybe 10% at most at that time and it really startled me sort of like uh so I went to Auburn and there were at the time I was there Bo Jackson was playing so there was an uh you know playing football and baseball and ba golf and whatever and he's just top and everything he does imagine he goes back out the next day and he can't even hold a football he can't throw a ball he can't do anything that's what happened with me it was like this total shock what just happened? No one's getting healed. And I went back to the Lord and
17:46 said,"Lord, what happened?" And God said, "I took away your gift of healing." I said, "Why? It's been helping so many people." He said, "Because now I want you to learn to do it by authority." And I instantly understood what he meant because the way you cast a demon out is through authority. you break its legal right to be in someone and then you cast it out. And so I went back to Walmart the next time I went and I led people through a simple prayer of repentance to break legal rights of whatever tormenting spirit there there may be. And I started to see the same 90% success rate in people being healed. But
18:34 at that time I started to see more powerful healings faster things I'd never seen before. And over the years the Lord had me systematize it. In business my skill set Stacy is to take very complex um routines that you have to go through that had to be very precise and create standard operating procedures SOPs. So you could take a new employee who don't know what they're doing. They follow it step by step and it executes it perfectly. So I started it to I I started to see the pattern as I was guiding people through praying on their own for healing that there was this pattern formula formulating my mind
19:19 and I started to systematize it out and that's how we got here today. >> There's a lot packed into that, right? We got probably four episodes of stuff right in in into that right there. the impartation of the gift of healing in a service. Did you go into that service looking for the gift of healing? I don't know what I was looking for. Um, so it was that wasn't the only service I'd gone to. I went to uh Voice of Healing. I went to any conference that was focused on healing. This happened to be a Todd White power and love conference. And I was pursuing where the Lord was leading. You know, I I I knew enough and I knew the Lord personally enough at
20:06 such a at a deep enough level at that time that I could sense he's he's leading something. So, I was just following. And I'm I'm not sure if I was looking for anything specific. I wasn't. You know, some people say, "Oh, I want to pray for people for healing." So they start praying for people and they'll like I think Todd White said he prayed for 500 people before he before his first one got healed. I didn't do that. I'm I don't do things for uh how can I say this? I'm not a thrillseker. I'm I'm not a spiritual tourist. Um I'm very deliberate with what I do. And that's why I spent six months
20:51 deliberately trying to figure out is it God's will? because if God is leading me to pray, I must know it's his will. And so when I went to that conference, I'm not sure if I was going there seeking for a gift. I didn't even think about a gift of healing. I never called it a gift of healing until several years later and when I realized, ah, I guess this must be that thing they call a gift of healing. It wasn't like on my radar. It just one of the things step by step by step, the Lord was leading me. And so >> but you felt the thing happen though, right? You you felt the tingling the tingling in your fingers and they interpreted that you feel this. This is likely what that is. I'm assuming that's based on experience, right? >> I'm assuming so. Yeah. >> Yeah. Some when people feel that and
21:38 suddenly they recognize that they've got this gift. A lot of people want the gift of healing, >> right? >> What does somebody need to do to get the gift of healing? This is a complete sidebar. I know we got a lot to cover here and I don't want to spend a lot of time here, but >> I'm thankful I no longer have the gift of healing and I want to be sensitive with this because I go to a church that's focused on gifts. With the gift of healing, one of the challenges is look at me and how great I am. I can heal you. And there's a responsibility. I would go out initially because it was fun and amazing to see God do miracles, but then more
22:24 and more out of the love and responsibility to help others. When he took my gift away, I was really concerned. But what I've learned now with doing the prayer freedom is it removes me from the process. So people no longer look at me as being great or special. >> He's the healer. >> He's the healer. I'm just guiding them. And >> if I could get my gift back, well, there are a lot of times I would love to have it. Um just seven days ago, I was in Spain visiting uh I don't know if you know the story. I may have mentioned it. My daughter works at a Christian ministry in Spain called Oasis Trails.
23:11 It's a hostel along the El Camino de Santiago. It's the It's a spiritual pilgrimage trail. And uh one of the guys that came through there last year from Denmark loves your show and he said, "Oh, Batty, you need to check out A Stronger Faith and get on that show." What was interesting was so I was uh just over a week ago I was there at Oasis Trail visiting my daughter and this man uh was deaf in his left ear and mostly deaf in his right ear and every time someone would talk he would cup his hand over the ear and lean in and just try to hear it. found out later his hearing aid was dead there and the Lord placed on my heart to pray for him and
23:58 I'm thinking I wish I had the gift of healing just so I could just open those ears and the Lord connected us together and um and I I I apologized to him said I used to have this gift of healing but let's just see if there's let me just see if I can u pray for you on those ears and nothing happened and then the Lord prompted me just take him through the prayer of freedom So I started to take him through just a little an ad hoc process of asking the Lord, is there some spiritual route, a sin or an unforgiveness that's tied to his hearing? And what happened was like 10 years ago, there was a loud explosion. Someone wanted to do it maliciously against him and it blew out his eardrums. Uh he was a musician, so
24:44 it stole his music and he was really depressed over it. And in 15 or 20 minutes of just guiding him through this, both of his ears perfectly restored. You could click in his left ear, he could hear it just as well as you click in the right ear. And he no longer had his hearing aid in. And what that did is if I had the gift of healing, look how great I am. And people would look to me now that I don't have it. and I can simply lead him through a process that God has already established for healing, then God gets more of the glory than me. And for me, I can pull out of the limelight and say, "God, you get the glory." So for someone who wants the gift of healing, I would really
25:30 encourage them from where I am now is it's greater to lead someone through prayer for healing so God gets all the glory and that they learn how healing works. You give a man a fish, you'll feed him for a day. You teach him to fish, you'll feed him for a lifetime. And I think the greatest thing would be not to pursue the gift of healing, but pursue the Lord and be a healing agent. So the gift of healing is is giving them the fish, right? It's like, hey, you've suffered with this. The gift of healing is you're healed. You know, go and en enjoy your life. But what you've done, what God has led you into, you you you say
26:17 is let's not just heal. Let's understand what has occurred spiritually to create this in the first place. >> Yes. >> And remove the root. Right. So if you get healed, imagine weeding your garden. If you just cut the weeds down, the root remains and the re weed potentially likely grows back. When you weed, you have to pull the entire >> You have to keep doing it. Yeah. >> You have to pull the whole root out. You gota if you can get to the core of it and there's no seed or anything left remaining. Well, that's not going to grow back until another seed gets in there, I guess. Of course. But but
27:02 that's what's interesting. And so what we want to do is have a conversation about what you've discovered around healing that's rooted in scripture. Because I've been in many faith circles, many churches, most churches that I have been in, there is a prayer list. Someone's in the hospital and we put them on a prayer list. We distribute the prayer list or we get on social media and praying for you, praying for complete healing and and our response to their illness or whatever it else it is that that they have is
27:48 we're going to we're going to pray for you. So, I'm going to stay at home and I'm going to as I'm praying for other things in my day, I'm going to say, "And God, I I ask that you uh heal Bill fully of his cancer." You know, if it's your will, of course. So, we're going to throw that in there because that's a that's a good out for us, right? And >> it makes it sound spiritual. >> It does, right? and and and so I just in my experience don't see bill the bills of the world surviving cancer, right? Or whatever else it is. and and and what you've done here and what God
28:33 has led you into is said has effectively said if you pay attention to what is spoken about in scripture around the consequences of sin then you will understand I've given you the keys of healing without giving you the gift of healing. >> Yes. And what you've done is organize that into a process that is understandable. You've gone and done the work digging through scripture and you've created this process called the prayer of freedom. You've mentioned this prayer of freedom. Basically, that is the process
29:19 that you have discovered, God has shown you that's right there in scripture. And I don't think it's going to be a surprise to a lot of us that it's like we've got healing all wrong. >> Yeah. I do you see it that way? >> I I do. And um Lord keeps putting this story on mine. So I want to Can I read a uh something from the book? >> So I teach as a volunteer at an addiction recovery center >> and I give them my my book is the um the textbook. I give them space simply to do chapter 12, which is actually the worksheet and the prayer portion. And we're talking back on if someone wants the gift of healing, how do they get it?
30:04 And I was saying that I'm not sure I would want it back. And I want to share why. I think this better articulates it. This is a woman named Katherine. And this is a thank you note she wrote me after going through this process. And as with a prayer of healing, I would pray for her addiction, drug addiction in this case, and maybe God would heal it. But there's a lot of other issues in her life that wouldn't be untouched. Not only that, she doesn't know how she got the addiction. She thinks it's simply because she went too far with something, but it's actually a spiritual issue. And because she don't know how she got it, she's more likely would then to get it again. But watch
30:52 this. This is what she said. She said, 'I want to thank you for the prayer freedom. It has changed my life. Growing up, my relationship with my mom was really tough. She was abusive and she and my stepdad would drink and get into lots of fights. By the time I was in seventh grade, she said she didn't want anything to do with me and left. That's when life began spiraling downward. By 16 years old, I was having sex with lots of boys and started getting into drugs. That was just over 10 years ago. Before doing this prayer, I was addicted to heroin and fentinyl and meth. I had a lot of worry and stress and anxiety. On a scale of 1 to 10, they were probably an eight. I've had constant allergies and sinus headaches for years, migraines five out of seven days a week and a super heavy
31:39 feeling like I was carrying carrying around an overweight backpack every day. Life has really been difficult with the gift of healing. I would only pray for one of those things because I don't she would have brought up everything. But the prayer of freedom and repenting changed everything. Literally everything is gone. No more sinus issues. All gone. No more headaches and migraines. All gone. No more heaviness. It's all gone. No more anxiety or stress or worries. Literally on a scale of 1 to 10, they've all gone to zero. Even my addictions have gone down to zero. I don't want drugs anymore. I have no urges for them anymore. And even the thought of any drug disgust me. It's all gone. So now that she's gone through the process, she understands that what's going on. She's not going to fall back into it by
32:27 not having a gift of faith. I mean gift of um healing and magically miraculously healing her then she doesn't know why she had those issues and she would still be dealing with those issues coming back now that she's gone through and she's understanding the process that unrepentanted sin creates consequence. Repent of the sin and the consequence disappears. Now, when she's about to sin again, she's going to go, "Oops, nope. I'm not going to go back there again." And now there's going to be guard rails up that she understands there are these consequences and she knows how to get out of it if she gets into it again. So, that's why
33:14 I am thankful I no longer have that gift of healing. Yeah, I get that. I've read your book. We were talking about the book. It It's called The Prayer of Freedom. And um no need to go and rush and look for that. All of this is going to be in the episode description. So we're going to give you all the resources that we're talking about here. I want you to kind of stay in the moment of what we're doing here. That story is really powerful. When we get sick, our first response to that is called the doctor. That's not unwise. Okay. If we're are Christians, it might be to reach out to people that can pray for us. If it's serious, we're probably trying
34:00 to find somebody that may have a gift of healing. Right. >> Right. >> Definitely got to get on the church prayer list. And that is our response to most of the sickness that we have. Not only that, but if it's a diagnosis or we get a condition that even if it's a cold, we know the process of the cold and so we just do the things we're supposed to do effectively coming into agreement with the sickness. We care for the sickness. We go get in the bed, right?
34:46 We do the things you're supposed to do when you accept >> a diagnosis as yours or whatever else it is. >> And it sounds like the process that you're talking about flips all of that upside down for the most part. How do you what do we what is the world especially the Christian world and the world in general but even the Christian what do we what don't we understand about the healing God has in store for us first off there is probably I I say about a 90% success rate with this and it's either because and this is what I actually think most of it is tied to not every
35:33 not everything has a spiritual root. But if your issue has a spiritual root, using medicine or or psychology or physical therapy or anything like that isn't going to solve the problem because unless you get to the root, you don't solve the the issue. I remember my father-in-law, he's deceased now, but he was a internal medicine doc for 50 years. He would always tell his patients health care, health is based on mental, physical and spiritual and he would diagnose you that way. Now our health care is mental and physical and they've lost the spiritual and I think that's what's going on. So what we miss is if you have something that's persistent and consistent. you keep getting sick over
36:21 and over and over and over and over again or you have some sort of sickness, rheumatoid arthritis or al allergy or asthma or something and it's a persistent thing. In almost all cases, those persistent issues I find have spiritual roots of a sin somewhere. It could be generationally. It doesn't have to be yours. If it's something that's acute, okay, you have an appendicitis, um, go to the doctor quickly, right? Uh, acute things are not always, in fact, in in fact many times they may not be have a spiritual root. I'll get a cold. That's not a spiritual issue. So, if it's not a spiritual root, the prayer of freedom doesn't help because it's only
37:06 handling those things with the spiritual root. But it seems like in my perspective probably 90% of the things we deal with are. So my first response is always just in case that maybe it's a spiritual root. So let's try the process. Let's ask God is there a spiritual route to this thing I'm dealing with? And if anything comes to mind and you can process it that way then maybe you see it disappear. But if you are dealing with something persistent, one of the interesting things you mentioned, I want to uh expand on it. You're talking about a physical sickness at the beginning, a pain, a malady physical ailment like glaucoma or mental illness. This also manifests as constant relationship
37:53 conflicts. You're bickering. You blow up at your spouse or your loved one. You don't know why. You don't want to, but you just they just make you so mad. That's usually a spiritual issue. That's a spirit of anger that's amplifying that anger and causing you to to just blow up at a moment's notice. Uh same thing with you if you keep losing your job. I remember one of the employees I hired a couple years back. I looked at her resume and every she had one job every year, one year duration. I said probably just bad employees, employers, probably a bad fit. I hired her and to the date one year from the time she signed up she was gone
38:39 and after learning this I go that's a spiritual issue. There is a root somewhere there that's destroying her life. So that's what we need to look for is the the patterns and when we see a pattern of anything uh or persistency in almost all cases I find that there's a spiritual route. >> Yeah. And I would say on things like, you know, a cold might not have a spiritual route, but I would say also that there is spiritual authority there that you can >> you can command that out. >> Yeah. I get a sinus infection. I go to the doctor because it's not it's rare. It's not I'm always getting a sinus infection. So it's so it's not persistent. But I've tried the prayer of freedom for me. Like this is one thing that's really interesting. I started to learn this with my gift of healing. I'd
39:26 be out praying for people there, you know, uh, uh, tennis elbow being healed, back pains being healed, all kinds of stuff. I'd come home, wife, my wife has a tennis elbow. I'd pray for her. No healing. My, uh, son has a pain in his back that's been there for a while. Pray for him, no healing. And I thought, God, why are you healing others, but you're not healing my own family? And I came up with a number of theories. But what I've come to understand now, which is the most likely occurrence, is when I was praying with the gift of healing and God was healing them. It was a spiritual root issue. When I was praying for my family, there wasn't a spiritual root. It was a physical issue. And so the prayer of
40:12 freedom doesn't work on simply a physical causation. It works on a spiritual causation. >> Yeah. You got the prayer of freedom. And then we're going to get into the specifics of that and that's really what we're here to talk about. But I would say that >> I still >> I still say God doesn't want us to be sick. And I think that there >> he will create purpose in it, but I don't think he creates the sickness. And you'll God works all things together for good for those who love him called according to his purpose. But when I get and I've done this many times over the last year or two when when I feel the symptoms of a cold coming on, >> command it out. >> I do. And it happens. >> Um there have been many times that those things were coming on as a a guest was coming in and I know that I've got this
40:58 cold that's going to really be disruptive to the things I >> I command it out. And I don't know if you would say, well, yeah, no, that's the power of the mind, you know, or >> No, that's a spiritual attack. I I'm totally >> right. You know, there's so you you have to look at I I look at the bigger circumstance. If something's happening and it's you're about to do ministry of some something in what God's called you to do and it's trying to interfere, then that's I see it almost always as spiritual attack. But if I'm just going about my day and something happens, that's I'm I'm you know the circumstances a little bit different there. But for you and what we do here, >> absolutely. >> Yeah. Hey, I mean, I have things. I I'm 57 now and so there's aches and pains that that come up or spring up and you know, you think is that a demonic
41:43 attack? And it's like, no, that's because you hit your back on the thing the other day that you ran into because you weren't paying attention, right? That's just a thing that happens sometimes. Not everything. And there are people who would say, well, that that that also is spiritual. And I don't know. I I don't want to get into the the weeds of all of that stuff. I think I think we can take spiritual authority, not claim our illnesses, but but cast them out. I don't think God wants us laid up >> um sick and dying when we could be out proclaiming the kingdom. >> And and certainly we can proclaim the kingdom in that sickness and I get that. But um this is about healing and and God's intentions around that. And and so I don't want to just say, "Hey, look, the the prayer of freedom
42:29 works on spiritual problems that you haven't recognized." And and the other things that don't fall into that category, you know, we got really no answers for. There is healing that God >> authority there. >> You do. That's right. >> Right. A different It's a different authority. What we're talking about here though is something that has either lingered uh and I'll let you describe it or whatever. And what the principle here is that there is sin that has occurred in your life that you have either been unaware of or that you were aware of and just sort of moved on from,
43:16 swept it under the rug. I'm never going to talk about that again. >> Yep. >> And moved on with life and things are okay. Right. It's unrepented sin. Isn't that what we're talking about here? >> That's entirely. Can I share? Let me let me share this. This may help some. Um, deliverance is what opened my eyes to understanding this. The process of deliverance that I used was a four-step process. And the way it would work is if I were doing deliverance with you, then I would say you'll probably hear something in your mind as I'm interrogating to these spirits and just relay whatever comes to your mind. So I'd ask the Holy Spirit, Lord, bring up the first demon spirit that you want me
44:02 to address. And you might say, this is actually what one of these guys said, um, a guy named Josh here in town. And uh he said, 'I hear the word Seth. I don't know if that's right. So now that's probably right. I said, Seth, is that you? Yes. So now Josh is relaying the communication. So step one is toify. Step two is you interrogate. I said, Seth, what is your role? He said, "My role is the gatekeeper in the demonic world that lets other spirits in." I said, "What is your legal right?" Because you got to understand this, Stacy. There has to be a reason for that spirit to be able to inhabit a person. And that reason is a legal right. We can get into this. We see it in in Job a lot. And and
44:49 uh and that reason is this um thing called a legal right. So I said, "What is your legal right?" Seth said uh Josh played with a Ouija board at 7 years old. And at that Josh said, "I did not I didn't want anything to do with that Ouija board." Josh knew exactly the incident. He said, "My sister was playing with a Ouija board and she communicated to me through it." He's watching that thing move around. So, he's unbeknownst to him, he's actually participating. That was the open door. So, that let Seth to come in and that's what started to destroy Josh's life. So then I went to se uh Josh and said, "Josh, uh I need you to repent of playing with a Ouija board at 7 years old." So Josh said, "I repent of playing
45:36 with the Ouija board at 7 years old. Once you repent of the sin, it goes away." And then I go back to Seth and say, "Seth, do you have any further legal right?" He said, "No." So then you command him out. So what I started to see in deliverance is every single time their legal right that they gave me was an unrepented sin. And I thought ah this now makes sense when God started directing me into doing healing through authority. So when I talk to deliverance ministers, a lot of them do have that process of >> asking questions and getting responses to try to find legal right. Others say, "I don't believe in legal rights, so I
46:22 just cast them out and they just got to go. >> Jesus has the authority." Right? >> And I would say that's >> that works too for those people. >> That's not untrue. >> Right. Absolutely not. But what you're doing by it seems to me by exploring and understanding the right that they had to be there. It's not that they have rights over over Jesus, right? They don't. >> They have rights over us. >> Yeah. Well, because of things that we willingly do that violate our alignment with the image of God. >> Yeah. >> Right. And so to explore that and to understand that kind of just like what we were talking about a few minutes ago,
47:08 it's like it's a it's an opportunity for us to essentially be made aware of the sin confess. It's essentially confession of sin. Yeah. Right. It's like ah there's the source. That's what I did. And so it's an opportunity for us to say so go and sin no more. Right? And so what Jesus says is like, "Hey, look, go and sin no more." This is, he even tells the blind guy that once. It's like, "Hey, go sin no more so that nothing worse will happen to you." He literally says that in scripture. It's like, man, >> so you're telling me his blindness was associated with sin. I mean, that's what it implies there. And so when we say, "Hey, I don't even mess with legal rights. I don't even believe in that."
47:56 I think that might be an error on our part in understanding the process of demonic oppression. They don't just come in sort of >> on their own without us opening the door to begin with in some way, the door being open to them. Hey, let me pause for just a moment to share something important with you. God continues to do remarkable things through this podcast. We hear about healings, transformations, freedom from oppression, people coming to faith far more than we could ever share. And it's extraordinary. And honestly, so much of that happens through you.
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50:17 Thank you for being a part of this. Please know that our team prays God's blessings over you. Now, let's get back to the episode. And it's interesting, Stacy, it's not just demonic oppression. So, as I've been doing this, one of the things that used to baffle me uh when I was doing deliverance is I could get some of the spirits to to uh respond so I could interrogate them. But there are other spirits I saw they were primarily um infirmity. I'll call them an infirmity spirit. And I could never get them almost never get them to respond. >> When you say respond, are you saying that they >> they answered answered through the person that you're doing deliverance on? And I mean they they manifested and
51:03 spoke through their mouth, >> right? Uh well, sometimes they uh I've only had in the early stages only one that actually took over the person's body. She went into a trance. You could they were looking at me through her eyes and speaking to me through her mouth. I then learned that was horrible on her. So I would command them never to manifest, only speak to the mind. And so from then on it was much more um tame. >> Oh, that's good. >> Yeah. But what would happen is I would uh have, you know, call up the spirit. Uh the Lord would call them up. I would interrogate them. But then I would say, "Spirit of leg pain, identify yourself." And it'd be crickets. Nothing. Or spirit of migraines, ident.
51:50 And there were certain things uh and I' recognized they were always an infirmity related issue. and I could rarely get a spirit to to uh respond. And I was trying to figure out why. And I started to recognize early on that there's more than just a demonic spirit. What I've since identified is, and I think I'm fairly accurate. You see, we're we're making assumptions on data that we don't really have. It's not clear in the Bible because the Bible is about salvation. It's not about the spiritual warfare much. You have little bits and pieces. So, a lot of this is is testing, experimenting, and confirming. But I've uh identified what I think are like three categories of spirits. Uh you have
52:37 an amplifying spirit. So, if I blow up in anger, I get a spiritual entity. And for people who are more on the u uh less religious and just kind of spiritual spectrum, they'll know it as a dark energy or a low vibration. I call it just a spirit. But like if I blow up in anger, I'm going to get this spiritual entity of anger. And all it's going to do is amplify anger in my life. And the more I give into it, the stronger the amplification becomes. If I'm looking at pornography, I'm gonna get a spirit of pornography and it's going to amplify my urge for that. If I start to get depressed, I can get a spirit of depression. In other words, it's a oneto-one type of spirit. You see
53:24 this throughout scripture. Uh God uh talks about a spirit of wisdom. He gives a spirit of skill to the guy who does all the embroidery work in the uh in the tabernacle. You see a spirit of lying, a spirit of fear. So these spirits have a onetoone relationship. Then you have what I'll call an infirmity spirit. And a lot of times I'm finding infirmity spirits are not demonic. They're not evil. They're just simply consequence. And uh and I can get into this more if you want, but I u but they are there simply because we violated God's standards someplace. And as soon as we repent, they'll disappear on their own. you don't have to command them out. I find this usually with those things that
54:10 are detracting from one's quality of life without making any problem for anyone else. So, this would be things like a chronic pain all the time or sickness all the time or things of that sort. They're just taking away your quality of life. And then you have a demonic spirit. And a demonic spirit is what Paul talks about in Ephesians 6:12. In the living Bible, it says we don't wrestle against people of flesh and blood, but against persons without a body. And a person without a body. You and I, we have a soul and a body. In very simplistic sense, the soul is our person. It's who we are. It's our mind, will, emotions, personality. Our body is just this thing in the earthly realm. So when we die, we still live. It's just
54:57 our body is dead. In other words, we become a person without a body once we die. So a de a demon is a demonic spirit is a person without a body. I'm not saying it used to be a human. I'm just saying it's that concept. It has a mind, will and emotions but no body. But it's its focus is entirely evil. It can manifest in anger, anxiety, in pain, in sickness and outburst of violence. So you have those three things. So not everything is that demon. the um one of the things that uh I'd like to lay down uh if we can is the scriptural process of what all this is based on showing where in scripture
55:43 these things come into play. I wanted I'd love to share about what we see with Job and uh God and Satan as it ties into this because this will especially for those people who have read the Bible and are familiar with some of these, this may start to connect some dots and say, "Ah, this is now making a lot more sense." Because once I started seeing this in scripture, I go, "This is the pattern. It's been hidden in plain sight, but it's from Genesis to Revelation. we've just been missing it. Okay so uh first spot would be Deuteronomy 28:58-61. The Israelites are just about to go in the promised land. This later uh section
56:29 of Deuteronomy is blessings and curses. If you follow God, he's going to bless you. Turn you away from God, he's going to curse you. And it says in this passage in Deuteronomy, he says, "If you turn away from the Lord your God and you don't revere his name," in other words, if you sin against him, it says he will send on you all the diseases and sicknesses of Egypt, all the disasters in this book and a lot more than it's not even written in this book. In other words, if you sin against God, sickness, chronic sickness that's going to cling to you, all kinds of disasters and everything else. Then you move over to Psalm 32. This is a psalm of David and in paraphrase it basically says that when I
57:18 refused to confess my sin my body wasted away, my bones achd and I had no strength left to even get out of bed. And then when I confessed my sin, God healed it all. Then move to James 5 uh John 5. This is the uh passage where Jesus meets this lame man at the pool of Bethesda. He's been lame for 38 years. He can't get in the pool because no one's there to put him in the pool. And Jesus says, sort of like I said to that uh man at Chick-fil-A, "So, do you want to walk? Do you want to be healed?" And he said, "Well, no one can put me in the pool." And Jesus then says, "Stand up, take your your bed, and go." Then Jesus finds him in the temple and
58:05 Jesus says, "Go and sin no more that nothing worse may happen to you." Indicating that his 38 years of being lame was tied to a sin. And it could get worse. Then a lot of uh uh people believe that now that we're Christians and Jesus has paid the price for our sins and our sins have been forgiven. Right? When we believe in Jesus, our sins are forgiven past, present, and future. So if they're forgiven, why do I need to repent of them? This is kind of the big issue I struggled with and that I had wrestled with and a lot of people still do today. And we see that even Christians in the new covenant
58:52 have the same issue of sin and consequence. Two passages in particular. One is 1 Corinthians 11. Paul is speaking to the Corinthian church believers about communion in the Lord's supper. Back then they would just everyone come together and eat a meal together. That was their Lord's supper. And he was saying that you rich folks are doing it wrong because you're not discerning the body of Christ because there are a lot of poor people there. You're bringing your food and wine, they have nothing. You're feasting, getting fat, getting drunk, and they go hungry. And because of that, then you're creating disunityity. And Paul says because of that issue, that sin, he says that's why some of you are weak, others are sick, and others have already died.
59:40 sin creating a consequence even for new covenant believers. Then you go to James 5:14-16. This is where he's talking about healing. This is a healing verse in the New Testament. And it says, "If any of you are sick, let him call for the elders and they'll anoint him with oil and they'll pray over him." But it ends it with this. Says James 5:16 says, "Confess your sins dot dot dot and you shall be healed." So we see this pattern. Sin creates consequence. Confessing the sin reverses the consequence. And this gets even clearer when we start to look at we look at um
1:00:26 I'm trying to say think which one. I think I want to start here. My son Batty Jr. when he was 19 or 20 years old, uh God brought him into the heavenly courtroom and he said, 'I want to show you something and I want I want to I want to give the mechanics of what's happening. Um, Revelation, I think it's 12:10 says that Satan is the accuser of the brethren and he accuses us before God. Question is, what can he what does he accuse us of? If we go back to Job 1, when Satan and God are talking about Job and God says, "Have you considered my servant Job, he is blameless and upright." Blameless means you can't blame him. And if Satan is the accuser and he
1:01:13 accuses, then blameless means that Satan can't accuse him. And in fact, Satan says so himself, "Well, you only protect him. You've put a hedge around him. You won't let me attack him." We find out why a little bit more in this vision that my son had. Uh, and typically what I'm learning about visions a lot of times is you actually go there but you just see it in your mind's eye. But very real. My son went into the heavenly courtroom and as he's describing he says up on the right on the disease God the father and to his left was this demon spirit and the demon was accusing my son of sins. My son came to Christ at age five. All of my son's sins were forgiven for salvation.
1:02:00 And as he was sharing that this demon is accusing him of sins, I said, "Well, hold on. I've been told that demons always lie and Satan is a liar and he only lies." Were those sins real? And Batty Jr. said, "Oh yeah." He said, "They lie to you and me. They don't lie to God. Every sin I was being accused of was a real sin. So this caused me to start to ponder, if our sins have been forgiven, how could he be accused of sin. And then the Lord whispered in his ear or something and and told my son, "Plead the blood of Jesus." So my son looked up at God the Father and said, "Father, I plead the blood of Jesus."
1:02:46 and instantly the demons disappeared. And so what happens is when you plead the blood of Jesus over those sins, now that blood washes away the sins and they're gone. In other words, they're in present until we apply Jesus's blood. Repentance and confession is the appropriating of Jesus's blood for those specific sins. And what I'm starting to understand is while our salvation and eternal life is secure by believing in Jesus, our sins are forgiven for salvation in the earthly realm, they're still present for torment. And until we actually repent of them individually, we're still living under the same law of
1:03:33 being under law but under grace. because it's the law of sin and consequence that gives these spirits a right to torment us. Jesus said in John 10:10 that uh the thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy, but I came that you might have abundant life. Most of us aren't living an abundant life. Katherine, that story I read, she'd been a Christian for years. She wasn't living an abundant life. She was tormented by addictions, by u uh sickness, by anxiety and depression. But she got the abundant life when she obeyed the command to repent and confess. And when she did, everything disappeared. And that's this that's the biblical background behind how all of this is working. Well, I had come armed
1:04:22 with questions that you just answered before I asked them, which is wonderful. I was going to say, well, what about the atonement? Right. the the atonement is is freeing us from the consequences of our sin by Jesus paying the price. And and your answer is yes from for our salvation. But but it is repentance that uh must occur to free us from the earthly consequences. Yes. >> Uh of torment around them. That's really good. I was also going to say because everything that we do, there's always someone that talks about something not being scriptural and but that's not in the Bible and that sort of thing. A lot of times my response is
1:05:09 kind of what you said earlier, >> so not everything is in the pages of the Bible. What you have to watch for are things that are contradictory to what is in in scripture and and >> I don't think there's any mention of giraffes right in scripture. >> I was being unbiblical over here because I was had my air conditioning on and listening to stuff on my cell phone. >> That's not in the Bible, but it's still true. >> Right. Exactly. And and so what you said is is really good and and I think deliverance ministers say a lot of this as well because a lot of people say, you know, you can't be a a a born-again Christian and and have demonic oppression. That just that that's just not how that is or whatever. But if you
1:05:56 have a conversation with deliverance ministers, I think they would say, I understand why that would be a theory of yours, but in practice, >> an experience. Yeah. an experience. I've seen it. I see it every day. It's that's just not true. >> Let me I'd like to address that a little bit. Um, can a Christian be addicted to something? >> Absolutely. >> Can a Christian have depression all the time? >> Can a Christian have a sinful thought constantly? So what we have is we have so as as a Christian we are spirit, soul and body. In a very simplistic sense the spirit is
1:06:41 the third heaven. The soul is in the second heaven and the body is in the first heaven. The first heaven is the earthly realm. The second heaven is a spiritual realm where demonic entities can exist and do exist. And the third heaven is where it's only holy. Okay. So our spirit is united with God's spirit and it is made perfect and it is pure and holy. But our soul where our mind is is in the second heaven or at least this spiritual realm. And if we can have a sinful thought, we can also have a demon that inhabits us. Because all a demon is is the essence of sin. You can have a demon that manifests anger. Anger is a sin. You can have a
1:07:28 spirit that just simply amplifies anger in your life. That's all it does. Because it it's not in the spirit, it's in the soul. >> And I've done a lot of deliverance sessions. 100% of them have been with Christians. >> That's right. That's who that's who demons are actually after. Right. >> And and addiction is a demon. Mhm. >> The way you free people from addiction or homosexuality or anger or whatever it is is you get the demon of that addiction or that issue out and then the issue disappears. such rich spiritual truths that I think God is I'm certain he is opening the eyes of people around the truths of of the mechanics even I
1:08:16 mean we're going to talk a lot about the mechanics uh in this conversation and the mechanics matter >> yes very much >> none of it is a substitute for knowing God right that your salvation is tied to you knowing God and experiencing God. But God designed things to work in a particular way and it's revealed through scripture and in our experience, right? And um and what we're going to do here today is talk about details of the mechanics of the way he designed healing to work from the root to uh the remedy I guess so to speak. So the prayer of freedom is
1:09:02 is the way that you've encapsulated the process that is culminated through prayer. Of course, can you describe? Yeah, that and what what's really going on in the prayer of freedom? >> There's essentially three steps in it. Number one, God knows what's holding you back and why you have these issues. So step number one in a very simplistic sense, God, what is the source of these issues? Bring to my mind any sin I need to repent of or any person I need to forgive. By the way, unforgiveness for most people is probably 70% of all their issues just from unforgiveness or predominantly unforgiveness. I've seen those deaf ears
1:09:50 that was unforgiveness. I've seen blind eyes open up. I've seen sciatica leave. I've seen back pain gone. I've seen uh football injuries healed. I' I've seen so many things just from unforgiveness that it's unbelievable. So, you ask the L, we're asking the Lord to remind me of whatever it is that's at the root of these issues. And it's always something that is sin. I want to put a caveat here. It's always something of sin, but it's not always something of your sin. Exodus, I think it's Exodus says that uh God will visit the iniquities of the fathers, which means mothers and fathers, to the third and fourth
1:10:35 generation. So like addictions for example, uh most addictions, especially where I I teach, 80 to 90% of them are generational. M >> uh you uh my wife used to have panic attacks because her mom had panic attacks and her mom had so it's generational. So you have you have things coming down the line that isn't your sin that you committed. But when I die and I have an an object that's mine, my children inherited, it becomes theirs. They didn't buy it, but it's now theirs. Same thing with sin. I didn't commit it, but it's still mine because it's been inherited. You also have things like abominations which are uh heavier iniquities and witchcraft. So all of these are
1:11:21 sin-based but and curses not not just witchcraft but curses as well. All of these are sin based. So when I say sin sometimes it's not yours sometimes it's generational. Oh while on that I got to tell the story because this is really cool because I want to expand people's understanding of what we're dealing with. One of the ladies at the Addiction Recovery Center, her name is Ashley, uh on my book website that you'll put in the notes, uh there's a video of her telling this story. Um and she was saying that she was um grossly abused, molested, and I think it was actually raped like at six or seven years old. And that became her life spiraling downward. She was always fearful of men. She had PTSD. She was on 700 milligram
1:12:09 400 milligrams of cerakquil a day just to calm her nerves. She was on booon
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