0:00 Codality has been disastrous for the Catholic Church. As St. Paul would say, rubbish, rubbish, rubbish. It's rubbish. No bishop who has a spine can accept this. [music] We have figured it out. We have figured out thanks to our guest the meaning of cidality. Everybody has asked what is cinidality mean? We had the sinnate on cidality. It's become the most important word in church today. And everybody's wondering what does it mean? No one can define it. We found someone who can. Dr. William Anthony Thomas, thank you for joining us. Tony, God bless you. >> Yes. >> Let's begin as we always do with the sign of the cross. In the name of the father and the son and of the holy ghost. >> Amen. >> Amen. You are a professor here in Rome.
0:45 You are uh a marologist. But uh most stunningly you know what cinidelity means. This this qu the burning question on so many minds. A lot of talk shows have talked about it. What is cinidelity? Tell us what it is. Where does it come from? And what's the meaning of it? >> It originated after a meeting between Justin Welby and Pope Francis or Papa Burggalio as he's known in Rome. >> Justin Welby, the former head of the Church of England. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Who described how they made decisions in the church of England using the leoty. And this is why one of the reasons why they changed the names of the congregations. They were known as
1:31 sacred congregations. Now they're called diccasteries. And the word diccaster comes from the Greek dcastasterion meaning with the leoty. And so uh we have these new diccasteries for different things. On my computer when I write diccast the autocorrect puts in disaster. >> [laughter] >> Okay, this is really good because you're unpacking a lot of different things. So everybody knows that forever and ever we called this the well actually it was called the holy office but then it was called for the longest time the congregation for the doctrine of the faith and as you said the sacred congregation for the doctrine of faith but then under Francis it was changed to
2:17 the castaster and this was a big deal for all the reporters we had to switch all of our parliament and everything else from the CDF to the DDF now and it was awkward but there's a meaning to it yes >> that's related to this cidelity concept >> yes and it was a missing interpretation of the second Vatican council a misinterpretation of of in many ways the use of the ley I I don't have a problem as a member of pontificical academy myself and working with other diccasteries uh in the holy sea uh because I'm a lay person but I'm a lay person with a competence and that's the difference it's not about a political equality where we have to have so many men and so
3:02 many women and there has to be equality in numbers. This is purely nonsense and this should not be the case. But under the Burggolio pontificate uh this is what he wanted to bring in people uh many of them have no competence at all or they have other agendas uh that are not Catholic. Justin Welby comes in and explains this to Pope Francis and he how did that go? How was that adopted and how do you even know the story? >> Rome is a rumor mill if you want. It it's not only the listening post for Catholic things that happen around the world uh where you hear everything. I remember back in the 80s a particular high-ranking cleric phoned me from
3:49 Ireland every night at 8:00. I had cold dinners for 20 years because this man phoned me at 8:00 which is the time of our dinner here what we call China and he wanted to know he phoned from Dublin what was happening in Ireland. So [snorts] he was in the thick of the woods and the listening post of Rome knew everything >> of what was going on and therefore Rome knows uh because so many people are involved in so many different aspects of the church's life that we say what's going on in China what's going on in Russia who is this that and the other and it it is the business of the church to know that >> and therefore when you hear and when you
4:36 see I mean the the opt ics. For example, when Justin Welby came to Rome, one of the first things Burggalio did was to bow down and ask for his blessing. [snorts] And of course, the man was not validly ordained. According to Mary Delval, the apostolic succession was interrupted during the so-called reformation. So, the Catholic Church doesn't actually recognize the validity of orders of the Anglicans. And because it was a break and if you go back and I hope people do go back and study what happened when uh this break happened where one priest ordained the other as archbishop is a nonsense and and
5:21 therefore their orders have no validity and for the pope to bow down and ask this man well he had no ecclesiology. Uh Papa Burggalio had no idea of theology. And I say that based on his pontificate which for me and this is my opinion is a failed pontificate. It it was a a a pontificate of confusion of ambiguity of paradoxes. A a pontificate I hope will not be continued under the present pontificate. Pope Leo I 14th is the pope but he's Leo I 14th. He's not Francis II, nor should he become
6:08 Francis II. His loyalty is to Christ, not to Burggalio. He's lo He cannot continue that pontificate. It has been disastrous for the Catholic Church from the beginning to the end of it. Even the poor man in his long johns appeared before he died in St. Peter's. That was an absolute disgrace. His whole pontificate was really designed to debase the papacy. >> Strong words from a professor who is here. That to hear that there can be strong words [laughter] from a professor who is here. The time of equivocation, the time of confusion must end. We must stay what it is and we must correct it. And I
6:53 know that uh many people have suffered under the pontificate of Pope Burggalio, Pope Francis. If they criticized him, they went after the particular professors and fired them or they were suppressed or they were kicked out of the episcopacy. Uh there are many bishops who lost their sea uh because and and I remember one one bishop in Puerto Rico. He said that uh you know it's entirely up to you to take the uh the this COVID vaccine. It's entirely up to you. And he was removed and this was the level of dictatorship that we had here in Rome. Many of the Swiss guards left rather than take the vaccine and
7:38 quite rightly so because in 2008 Pope Benedict listed seven new sins. One of those had to do with genetic modification uh and genetic engineering of the human person, the injection of experimental drugs on the human person. And we find that this vaccine that came in CO, nobody knew uh the effect uh the sudden death syndrome that is prevalent around the world, the long co the sicknesses that people have endured from that. And these uh drug companies, big pharma we call them, uh have made billions upon billions upon billions and at the same time through their lawyers have gained
8:24 immunity from prosecution from every government through the World Health Authority and through the United Nations both of which organizations have been come totally corrupted. It really does seem that there is a lid put on so many things that that happen here in Rome that uh the the publishers don't get to find out about. In the normal run of things, the pope should reside in the apostolic palace. And in the apostolic palace, there is a regent and the regent makes a note of everyone who visits the pope, when they visit, what time they come in, what time they leave. And all of that is published in what we call the acta apostolic sedes. But Burggolio
9:10 because of his hatred of the previous pontiffs whom he considered rigorous moved into Kaza Santa Marta and took over the entire second floor which meant effectively nobody else could live in the building while he was there. [snorts] and uh the they lost a lot of money from revenue and the cost of keeping him there was 26 million. Some people thought, "Oh, he's Pope Francis. He's the poor pope. He loves the poor and he must be living in a wigwam somewhere in Vatican gardens." No, he had an entire floor to himself. He said himself uh the only journal I read is La Republica, the communist newspaper. And [snorts] he was meeting people, the
9:56 communist editors. He met all kinds of other people. He awarded abortionists. He awarded all kinds of other people. Uh this was a terrible terrible pontificate. I mean, we watched it play out. It was playbyplay. But just to hear it in especially from someone in the Vatican, it's it's both uh shattering but heartening because finally someone who's in a position who can voice this stuff with clarity is is beautiful to hear. Let let's get back to cidelity because even though so the idea comes from Justin Welby but uh you're also telling me something about Rouso. >> We have to understand philosophy. Uh uh the other day uh on many occasions I go
10:44 to another classmate of mine Mario Gretch from he's now the cardinal in charge of the senate of cinidality and [snorts] uh he knows the same professors as I knew in the angelicum and now he's a cardinal and I'm theologian marologist uh so uh I said to him you can't promote this because it's devoid of christologology. Uh as Pope Leo himself said, there's no template for this. So it's a very ambiguous confusing movement within the church that lacks apostolicity. It doesn't go back to the fathers. There's no place in scripture that says Jesus talks about codality or
11:30 the cenodal church. Uh the cenodal church is the church of England. It's not the Catholic Church uh which is the one true church on earth and they have valid ordinations and valid apostolic succession. when I read and and Cardinal Gretch gave me uh a copy of the final document in Spanish. uh and I read it and I began to see the philosophy behind it was based on uh the philosophy of Jeanjac Russo [snorts] and he is the father of sentimentalism and uh he wrote a book called the social contract and cinidality is almost page for page of the social contract of Russo who scoops out the entire notion of
12:17 Christianity in Europe and prepares Europe for that bloody revolution that we had in France. >> Explain to us what is sentimentality. What what is that? >> Well, it's all about feelings, emotions. Somebody says, uh, oh, um, this is sinful, this is wrong, this is mortal, this will destroy your soul and so on. You cannot say this nowadays. You have to because you will hurt people. You will hurt their sentiment. You see, so anything goes. Well, this is nonsense. And as St. Paul would say, rubbish, rubbish, rubbish. That's exactly what it is. It's rubbish. And I denounce it right from the beginning. And I told
13:03 Cardinal Gretch, this is going nowhere. No bishop who has a spine can accept this. It must stop. What the church needs is a revival movement. A revival through katakesis. A revival through faith in Jesus Christ as the redeemer of the world. A revival in authentic Marian devotion. A revival in the sacramental life. It doesn't need something other that distracts and takes away the divine into this human sentimentality of listening to one another, of encouraging one another. That is not what Christ had envisaged. The mandate is to go out to the whole world and teach the good news.
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14:36 newsws. Thank you for your support and may God bless you. This concept so underlies everything that's going on wrong in the church. It's the same concept that says, "Oh, we can't say the Jews need to accept Jesus to be saved. We can't deny the Muslims a prayer room." Even inside the Vatican, we can't explain to Father James Martin, "No, you can't lead them down that path that leads to eternal damnation." It totally undermined the whole of the faith as you just described it which as you were saying it was like oh there it is that's the faith that I knew from my youth but it seems to be
15:22 honestly gone in a way that the modern priest bishop cardinal and higher than that even all seem to be on this different path and that's it as sentimentality of cidality as sentimentality as let's does not hurt people's feelings. >> It's about feelings now. So feelings have replaced the truth. And the truth is that man has the capacity to be sinful and and in a sense of mortal sin. And in that habitual sense of mortal sin, he invites the demons who roam around the whole world seeking the ruin of souls to enter into their soul and their souls become putrid and ugly and
16:08 other something other than what God expects and what God has created and that ugliness in the soul wants to externalize its ugliness. And so we have this concept of self uglification. We have these tattoos which are demonic. We have studs in the eyes and the ears and the noses. And now they have rings in the noses like the pigs. And this is absurd. And this again has never been denounced despite the fact that in the Old Testament in Jeremiah we are told not to tattoo the body >> and but they want to do it but the church should have eyes in which to see that this level of putridness spiritual
16:57 putritness is widespread and this is why Christianity is dying in Europe. It's growing in other parts of the world, but it's dying in Europe for many reasons. One is the perceived and orchestrated lack of vocations uh to create a void so that women can come in into ministry or the married clergy into ministry. There Jesus has never stopped calling people to be priests. Never. And many are called. Okay. Few are chosen. Okay. But the vocations are always there. I mean you look 50 years ago the number of priests uh that were there men of prayer came from good Catholic families. If you destroy the
17:43 Catholic family you destroy the vocation the dispensation of grace and so on so forth. So Catholic families have been destroyed of course but nevertheless vocations are there. There are many men out there as lay men who have vocations of the priesthood. But because they are orthodox in their belief and they believe in the rosary and they believe in the power of prayer, they are rejected by the bishops. Many of whom are spineless. Many of them I know personally. I have written to many of them. Uh and this is a sad reality because even when we read the gospel and this is the wrong word by the way, we must proclaim the gospel. If you look at
18:29 the the way it's written, the genre, the style, it's a proclamation of victory over sin and death. So when the priest goes up, he should say a proclamation of the Holy Gospel according to John or Mark or Luke or Matthew and then proclaim it. That's when it penetrates the heart. That's when people switch on when it's proclaimed. If they go up and they read it, most people, 99.99% walk out of the church, they cannot remember what the gospel was of that day because it was read. If families took on this same idea, which many have, you would get this kind of parenting that's
19:14 non-directive and oh yeah, we don't want to hurt your feelings. I've watched it play out. I we have eight kids. We had six boys, so we were cured of that quickly because you let the boys do it. It's it's mayhem. But I've watched this go on. I've watched mothers torturously trying in the store to help their kids and not to ever correct them. Oh yeah. You you don't it you you really do you don't want that. You you do want to it's a knife and it's sharp. I know you want but and they're killing themselves trying not to hurt the feelings >> but the kids are going to get hurt >> of course >> and when this goes on and on and on their kids go off the rails. What happens though in reality and I'd love to see your insight on this because in reality what happens is that's the way it starts. Eventually, the parent gets
20:01 mad and it and really hurts the child because that only goes so long. This, oh yeah, it's okay. You hit mommy. Okay. And once there's no one around, the patient's exhausted and then you snap. Is there anything like that in the church as well? >> Well, we had discipline once upon a time in an extraordinary way. Most vocations to the Catholic priesthood and the religious life are coming for from those young people who seek that type of discipline. In the present European context, there's very little discipline in the priesthood and in the formation. In fact, there is more of an emphasis on
20:47 uh as Burggalio would call it, he hated rigorists. He [snorts] went around Africa telling the bishops not to ordain rigorous. I don't make this stuff up. By the way, I read this in the dispatches that come in. Uh and and I said, "What does he mean by a rigorist? A rigorous for Burggalio was somebody who held fast to the Catholic and apostolic faith. He was not into that. He wanted to create a whole new church. And through this movement of synodality, this going away from the divine institution, this patriarchy of what the church is into creating a church of sentimentality, of feelings, of emotions, of loving one,
21:35 of listening to one another and so on. But God is not in the equation here. >> And therefore, what was proposed and is proposed is not Catholic and must be rejected. And the way the good Catholic faithful can do it is to express their senses feday by writing one letter or two or three or four once a month uh to the holy sea and saying I reject synodality. whatever about the bishop, the bishops will row along with what Rome says because if they don't, they get kicked out and I'll probably be kicked out after this interview. But nevertheless, it's time to speak up.
22:21 >> And I would say my sense of the faith has been brutalized by the the last 13 years of a pontificate that was absolutely disgraceful. I when I saw the debasement of the the papacy, they're trying to say that cinidality comes from the second Vatican council. This is a lie. This is not true. This is an invention. And therefore, I would say to the Catholic faithful, write and tell them you reject it. And when they get a 100 or 200 or 300 million letters, they might switch on that the sense of the faithful has been disturbed here.
23:06 >> This is not the work of the Holy Spirit. So from the inside of the church as it were cuz you're a professor. You're involved with a lot of the very prelets that we know of and that are really in the headlines. You went to school even with Pope Leo. You think writing still works and where should they write exactly? They can address it to Pope Leo the 14th car of Vatican City Europe. Wow. And a simple thing I don't agree with it. Or we need a Pope Leo I 14th who's independent of Pope Burggolio. We don't want a continuation of this pontificate. That's all they have to say. And they'll get the message one way or the other. And then you express your faith that way. on one radio show some
23:52 years ago. This may sound awfully cynical, but I was asked to describe bishops. Would they be good bank managers? Would they be uh I'm talking about the modern bishops. I'm not talking about uh the real bishops like Bishop Strickland or uh others like him. Atonacious Schneider or Bishop Marioante, wonderful man and so on. I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the ordinary guy who has nothing to say, who's afraid of anybody who comes forward and says, "I want to be a priest." He'd sooner shut down the parishes or amalgamate them and all of that. So I was asked to describe what did I think of them. I said, "Well, the only comparison I can describe a bishop
24:39 in a modern bishop under Burggalio is that of a jellyfish >> and the jellyfish has no spine. The jellyfish has no heart. That doesn't bother it because it's got no brains either. [laughter] And if a bishop as a successor to the apostles has his fidelity in Jesus Christ, not [snorts] in a wayward pontificate, but in Jesus Christ, he will give his life for Christ as the early apostles did. And that's the sort of backbone like Cardinal Van Gallen and many other great bishops stood up to tyranny. That's what they should do. And I call on the bishops of the world to stand up
25:26 and to face the reality of the chaos that exists in the church today and to say enough is enough. We need clarity. We need truthfulness. We need a plan to go forward. not cinidality. It doesn't play any role. It will destroy the church from within. >> Professor Thomas, thank you so very much. I can't thank you enough. We need that. I pray that the bishops heed your message, your exhortation to them and uh we'll be having you back here very soon. >> Thank you. >> God bless you. God bless all of you and we'll see you next time. Hello, it's Father David Nicks. If you like [music] this content, please click the link in the description for more
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