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0:01 Today we are sitting down with Tim Hogan, Knights Templar Grandmaster, 32nd degree Mason, and a guy who was initiated into the order at age 8. 32nd degree, that's like getting a DLC for Secret Society Simulator. Is that a real game? Not yet. Copyright me, patent pending, all rights reserved. Tim's family line runs deep in this stuff. His great grandfather, seven generations back, was General Joseph Warren, the man who initiated Paul Revere and helped organize the Boston Tea Party. His own father, the mayor of Aurora, Colorado, was involved in developing Denver International Airport. Yeah, that airport. The horse of death, the Nazi bunker, the illicit people murals. Finally, someone who knows what's under that runway. Tim's written seven books on alchemy and ancient mysteries. He leads expeditions into Egypt, where
0:51 his group has private access to places tourists never see. The Sphinx enclosure, sealed chambers at Dendera, even the Great Pyramid itself, where he conducts actual Templar initiations. Wow, that sounds like my Pesci family initiation when I became a made fish. What happened during your initiation? I can't tell you that, human. I took an omerta. Fair enough. Today, we're going deep. We'll cover the standard Templar history, but then Tim's gonna take us into the secret history, the archeological digs under the Temple Mount, six ancient arcs his order claims to have recovered, a connection between ancient Egypt and the Mayans, monoatomic gold as a superconductive power source, and yes, he says the Templars possess the bones of Jesus. This one gets wild. Tim is more than an encyclopedia, he's an
1:38 amazing storyteller. Let's go downstairs. Tim, welcome. Thank you for having me, AJ. I'm so excited because you know I've been a fan of yours for a long time. Well, I've been a fan of yours too, so I'm super excited to be here. I'm so glad you're doing this format. With all the stories that I research, the people behind them are so interesting that I thought it would be fun to have them in here, and you were one of those. When I was putting together my next Templar episode, I had a couple of drafts. I ran it by my community and they said, you need to look into Tim Hogan. So I started listening to your interviews and I said, I don't need to do any more research. This guy knows
2:23 everything about the night. So encyclopedic knowledge. Yeah, well, thank you. So what I wanna do is I wanna get into your personal journey in the order, then to the fun stuff. So we're talking alchemy, ancient Egypt, Ark of the Covenant, Anunnaki, which I think we can connect. Of course. But let's start today with the mundane with the cover story. Sure. Can you walk us through 1118 to 1307? Yeah, just general history. Just general history. Then we'll get into the real story. So according to standard historians, the Templar order was founded in 1118. There were nine knights started by Hugh de Paines and Godfrey de Saint Omar. Two French knights who had been involved in a number of different things. But they ended
3:12 up going down to Jerusalem. They got... by King Baldwin II gave them property near the Temple Mount in an area that's now referred to as King Solomon's stables. And they set up an order extensively to protect pilgrims in the Holy Land. So these nine knights were supposed to protect all the pilgrims in the Holy Land. So for the first 20 years, this is what was said they were doing Now this was more of a cover story. They were actually doing digging. They're doing what we would refer to as archeology now. Well, before we get there, hold on. Okay. Cause not
3:58 everybody knows this stuff. Okay. Right. So they're protecting pilgrims. Can you just, and very briefly, because we want to get to the good stuff. Sure. Explain the commanderies, how they accumulated wealth. Yeah. So, so what they do would do is they would set up these commanderies throughout Europe and, and as well as in the Holy land. And really where they started making money is they became a banking system. Where if you were going to, back then, you have to understand that Christians would travel to Jerusalem in the same way that Muslims would travel to Mecca today. So it was like deemed that once in your life you go to Jerusalem and you see the holy places where Jesus walked and where Moses was and where a scholar King Solomon's temple was said to be, and you would take this pilgrimage. Well, it
4:49 was very dangerous to travel back then. I mean, the world was full of ruffians and thieves, and if you had any money on you, of course, they were going to steal it. So what the Templar Order did is they set up a thing where you could deposit your money at the commandery in, let's say, London, and you get a special note. And then when you arrived in Jerusalem, you could go to the commander in Jerusalem, present this note, and they give you your money back, you know, with a small fee taken out. And so that small fee, you know, added up. And this is really where the Templar order developed its wealth. And because when they were created, they didn't have to answer to anybody but the Pope, it gave them a lot of freedom and a lot of latitude to do a lot of things, including associating with other Christians other religious traditions
5:39 and other cultures that didn't exist in Europe. I mean, as they went into the Holy Land, there were groups like the Druze and the Sabaeans and others that were translating Greek and Roman texts, and these hadn't made their way into Europe yet. And so by having these associations with the Templar order, the Templars were able to gain knowledge that just wasn't accessible at the time in Europe. And they learned of traditions like Pythagorean traditions and the works of Plato and things that we kind of take for granted now that just was not available at the time. They also had to have associations with
6:27 Islamic groups that were already existing in the Holy Land at the time. And while they... they later would get dragged into having to fight and defend territories on behalf of the church. That wasn't their main focus. Their main focus was actually establishing connections with these different traditions so they could gain their knowledge and bring that knowledge back to Europe, really to try to get Europe out of the Dark Ages. They believed that if they gained the technology and the philosophies, of what they believed was the pre-civilization, the civilization before Noah. Don't, don't, don't do it yet. Don't do it yet.
7:13 Okay, okay, okay. Because you're gonna get me excited. Okay, okay, okay. And as we get down there, you're a brilliant storyteller. So if you see me almost stepping on a punchline or stealing your thunder. Slow me down, say I'll get there. But take us to 1307, they've accumulated wealth. What happened? So they've accumulated all this wealth. The king of France at the time, Philip the Fair, he needed money. He wanted to set himself up as the new war king of Europe. And he also wanted to control the church. He had already, by some accounts, poisoned one pope, assassinated one pope to try to get the pope he wanted onto the throne. He eventually got Clement V onto the throne. And
8:03 then he also owed a bunch of money to the Templar order. They had been loaning him money all along, but he needed more money. And he knew that they had amassed a great fortune at the Paris commandery. So what he did was he... In September of 1307, he issued arrest warrants that were to be implemented in October, October 13th, in fact, Friday, October 13th, 1307, to arrest the entire Templar order and to bring them up on charges with the hopes of then securing their wealth.
8:49 Now, the Templar order, They had spies everywhere. They knew about this. They set up a plan where Jacques de Molay, who was the Grand Master of the Templar Order, he kind of stayed behind in Paris. They normally had about 100,000 Templars in Paris. Most of them fled Paris. A few stayed behind to appear as business as usual. Because the Templars had a fleet. They had an entire fleet, yeah. And so the night before... on October 12th, 1307, the fleet disappears along with all the wealth of the Grand Commandery of Paris. And Jack de Molay is staying behind
9:34 with a few hundred other knights. The arrest orders get implemented on Friday, October 13th. They're rounded up. This is the origin of the unlucky date of Friday the 13th. And then... they're tortured for seven years. I think Jack de Malay thought that, and by the way, they also wanted, the Pope, wanted, Pope Clement V wanted the Templar Order to merge with their rival order, which was known as the Knights Hospitalli. Knights Hospitalli later became the Knights of Malta, but that's a different story. But the Templar Order wouldn't do it. Jack de Malay wouldn't do it because they would have lost all of their freedoms that they had. And the Templars were
10:19 known for trying to fight for freedoms of individuals as well. They helped instigate the signing of the Magna Carta, for example, which gave people rights for the first time in England. God-given rights. God-given rights, yeah. And this was talked about even in Wolfram von Eschenbach's Parcival, which was... a book published in the 1200s where it says the Templars were these Grail guardians. They're the guardians of the Grail. And it said on the Grail altar, it said, if any Templar should become ruler of a foreign people, let him ensure that they are given their God-given rights. Well, this is the first time in
11:05 history where it's even suggested that people have God-given rights. I mean, rights... back then were said to come from the Pope or from the King, and that was it. So the fact that the Templars were fighting for people to have rights, you know, this was bad for business for both the Pope and the King. So that's why they entered into this conspiracy to suppress the Templar order. So, and this brings me to a question I want to get your take on, cause I heard you mentioned this recently. Sure. That kind of shocked me a little bit. Um, I'm going to tell the quick version of what's of the mainstream version of the story. Early 2000s, a document is discovered in the Vatican archives called the Chinon Parchment.
11:51 Right, sure. Where Pope Clement V absolves the knights. Right. And I kind of assumed that was true, but you have a different... Yeah, everyone assumes it's true, but the thing is, so Napoleon... People forget Napoleon raided the Vatican archives. Napoleon's personal physician was Bernard Raymond Fabre Palaprat, who was the Grand Master of the Templar order underground. Napoleon himself believed himself to be the illegitimate grandson of Bonnie Prince Charlie, who was also a Templar out of Scotland. So one of the things that
12:37 Napoleon was doing is he was looking for Templar artifacts, specifically when he raided the Vatican. He brought all those archives back to France, where they were sifted through at St. Sulpice. The cheat on parchment was never found, right? All of a sudden, years later, Dan Brown becomes popular, talking about Templar stuff. That becomes this big thing. And lo and behold, out of nowhere, this new Chinon parchment is found, absolving the Templar order. And it's being kind of sketchily verified as even being legit.
13:25 And everyone just accepts it as real. I did. Yeah, everyone did. But I don't... I don't believe, I think it was a later forgery. And after I heard your explanation of it, I'm leaning your way because it doesn't absolve the knights as much as it absolves the church. Sure, it's exactly right. Yeah, because the church, you know, they sanctioned torture and torture and accusing the Templar Order of all kinds of made-up heresies that we know now are just made up. And
14:13 then ultimately in 1314, Jacques de Molay, as well as a number of other knights, Geoffrey Charnay, who was one of his top preceptors of Thua region, and others, they were all burnt to the stake. And, uh, and the Templar or inject him LA right before he died, he said, look, I do not consent to any of these, these false charges. And he told both Clement V and Philip the fair that they would both join him in the afterlife within a year. This is the curse. This was the curse. And they both did. They both died, you know, within, within a year, you know, and, uh, which, you know, has led to some speculation if they were poisoned
15:02 secretly, if they were, you know, secretly assassinated, you know, which led to that. I think the Pope was poisoned because I think he actually died of dysentery. Yeah. Yeah. So, but there, but the, but that was, you know, that was in March of 1314, but they, and they were both in like Jack de Malay, he was burnt just outside of, uh, Notre Dame Cathedral. And to this day, there's still a plaque there where he was burned. And it's on the island there, just outside of Notre Dame Cathedral. I didn't know that. Yeah. And some people speculated that because the Templars were largely responsible for building those cathedrals. Certainly. Yeah. And they funded them and they provided the manpower. And then they incorporated
15:50 esoteric knowledge that they're bringing back from the Middle East. Yeah. onto those cathedrals. Sure, and we can see their graffiti all over Europe. So before we get into the real history, can you take us through your personal experience? You're initiated as a page at age eight? Eight, yeah. What is that? Yeah, so there's this whole tradition that was set up specifically for young people to go through this knighthood program and I didn't know it at the time. I just was, you know, I was participating in it. But my first induction ceremony was at age eight. Did you know your family
16:36 was so deeply in that? No. You didn't? I had no clue. And you're... I wasn't even told until I was 18. So I had gone through this whole program, this knighthood program, where I spent six years... trying to attain these different ranks of knighthood. Mom, you should have sent me to this instead of the Boy Scouts, I'm just saying. Yeah, well, you know, the Boy Scouts were founded by Templars too. Powell was a Templar, but if you look at the old Boy Scout handbooks, they talk about how a modern Boy Scout is a Templar, basically. But, yeah, so I went through this program And then by the age of
17:23 18, I had attained this rank of Sir Knight within it. And along the way, I had to work on all these different things. I had to study the mysteries of the Grail, and I had to try to inculcate these values, these virtues, and trying to become a good citizen and leader in the world and all this stuff. By the time I was 18 and I had gone through this program, I realized it was all the people who I was like, who set up this program? And I started looking into it and realized it was all these, um, Freemasons and Templars that had set up this program. And, um, and so I was like, well, I better, I think I need to become a
18:08 Freemason, you know? So I went to, I remember I was in college at the time and I went over to my mom's house to do laundry. As we all do. Yeah. Right. And I said, uh, And she said, what are you up to? And I said, well, I, you know, I think I'm going to try to become a Freemason. And she said, oh, you know, you're, you're both your grandfathers are Freemasons. Your dad went through that system. Your great grandparents are all involved in you have a long family line involved in all that. I was like, what? And she was like, yeah, it was your grandpa that, that, that put me, had you put you in that program when you were a kid. Wow. I had no clue about any of this. So she encouraged me to reach out to them. And then I found out that I had this long family
18:56 lineage on both sides of my family involved in all this going way back and including my, my great grandfather, seven generations back. was the martyr of the Revolutionary War. He was General Joseph Warren. He's the one who initiated Paul Revere. He's the one who set up the Boston Tea Party. And he was a grand commander in the Templar order at the time. And his brother, John Warren, was the first grandmaster of Freemasonry in the forming United States. And his son was
19:42 Joseph Warren Jr. ended up marrying Elizabeth Burns, who was the poet Robert Burns' daughter. And Robert Burns was also a Templar in Scotland. And he wrote all enzyme that we all sing on New Year's Day every year, you know, so amongst other things. So anyhow, I had this like, so my middle name's Warren. Warren. because that's my mother's maiden name, and so the Warren side of the family all goes back to that. And my grandfather, Hugh Warren, he was named Hugh after Hugh DePaynes. Of course. And then he had the Warren side of it. He's the one who got me involved in all this stuff. And
20:30 then on my dad's side, Howard Hogan, he was really active in... Freemasonry was a high degree Mason in Nebraska. And your father was a very popular politician in Colorado. Correct. Yeah. And he had been raised, he went through a Demolay program when he was growing up. Okay. And I have all his old Demolay stuff and he became a Mason and he was, yeah, and he was mayor of Aurora, Colorado, which is the, like the 50th largest city in the U.S. It was bigger than, Salt Lake City or Philadelphia or St. Louis or a lot of major cities we think of. But he was mayor
21:16 and he was involved in all this stuff. But I had no clue growing up. About your dad, my audience knows a lot about the Denver Airport and the Masonic Connection. Oh, yeah, correct. Your father was involved in that? Yeah, yeah. So he's the one who like... So the Denver Airport was annexed from Aurora. So that wasn't even Denver territory. Right, it was outside. Right, it was outside of Denver. So they annexed it, and the agreement was that Denver would get the taxes from the airport, and Aurora would get the taxes from any hotels and stuff that were set up around there. But he also helped set up the, what's known as the
22:05 Gaylord Resort. that's out there on Denver International Airport property. And it has the convention center attached to it. And the convention center is actually named after my father. It's the Stephen D. Hogan Convention Center. So because he was all involved in all that stuff. And I have a brother-in-law who's also involved right now in the restructuring of the terminal of the airport. And then I was involved early on there's a Masonic time capsule out there. Oh yes. And it has the Braille plaque on it. And for the longest time that Braille plaque was actually a plastic plaque. Most people don't
22:50 know this. And so the secretary of my Masonic Lodge, his name was Warren Glover. He passed away years ago, but he and I went out to the Denver International Airport to put the actual metal plaque on it. on there. And, uh, so I was involved in some ways of, of, of actually dealing with that thing. And it's not alien code. And if you, it's, if you push the right buttons, nothing's going to open up like some people say, but it's, it's just a Braille plaque, you know, but, but the Templars are famous for digging tunnels and hiding things. What's under that airport? Tell us. Uh, well, I mean, there, I, I'll tell you, I've been down under there. Um, Not where the luggage is. What's under that? No, below that.
23:36 Okay. Yeah. And there's some storage areas. There's no lizard people down there. Oh. You know, there was always speculation that there was some entrance to the underworld down there. It's not really. I mean, the whole reason why that property was even selected was it was a deal made between the Denver mayor and Federico Pena, who was Pena Boulevard that goes to the airports named after now. And it was kind of a money-making scheme for the politicians at the time. They do that. Yeah, exactly. So no bunkers? No. Well, there is rumors that... And I... unofficially,
24:26 shall we say. We're off the record. Right, off the record. There's rumors that there are bunkers down there for the president and other people should there be a calamity on the East Coast and they need to get out of that area. That's an area that they can go to and to be hidden. and they continue to still operate. We do know that there was a potential impact event years ago, and Obama was sent to that airport. That's right. And about less than three miles from the airport is the Space Force Base, Buckley Space Force Base, which is almost on the property. And in fact, the road that goes... that divides the two properties is the Stephen D Hogan Parkway, which is also named
25:13 after my dad. So, and then there's also a housing community too on the Denver airport property called the Highlands. And it's, it's all dedicated to my dad too. There's a, he was very involved in all that development. He seemed like a great man. And I watched your eulogy of him online. It was really touching. Thank you. When, um, Did you learn all the secret history of the Templars when you were initiated? Is that kind of how it works? Yeah. Well, I learned the general history of the Templars as I was growing up. That was part of my education. But then, yeah, as I got involved in stuff, I started learning more of the secret history that was involved there. And I've
26:01 tried to bring some of that forward and make it public, right? A lot of things that just nobody's known about. Like you look up Rosicrucian, for example, you're gonna hear the same general story of, oh, it was established in Germany, but it doesn't really, and they talk about Johann Valentin Andrea, but they don't really talk about what Johann Valentin Andrea was involved in. And he was, he grew up in the town of Kalfe, spelled C-A-L-W in Germany, and his mom was the town alchemist there. And that was a Templar,
26:47 it was an underground Templar area, and that's where this Militia Crucifera Evangelica was largely based out of. In fact, to this day, there are secret chapels there that have the blazons or the coat of arms of all the original... members of that tradition and they have Andrea's coat of arms there, you know, and stained glass. And it's, there's a whole tradition there that most people have no clue about. Well, where did the Templars really start and what was their original mission? Yeah. So according to, and this isn't, by the way, I'm popularizing, I'm getting this information out there now, but it's something that's been known within the Templar traditions for a long time. The grandmaster before me, Raymond Bernard, he was
27:37 a very famous historian and esotericist in Paris. And he published a book on this called The Secret Meeting in Rome, which was about his initiation into the Templar order clear back in 1956. And in it, he talks about that the The real purpose for the Templar order was the Templar order quickly realized very early on that there were these flood myths all around the world and everyone had the same flood myth. Alluding to the fact that there was probably a very real cataclysm in antiquity.
28:28 We're getting to the point where it's almost non-negotiable. Right. Right now. Right now. But like back then, I mean, it was, you know, it was just kind of considered biblical history. Right. You know, and so, but the Templars, they thought there was something to it. And that they also believed that there was a very advanced civilization that had existed prior to this cataclysm. When you say advanced, do you mean advanced for their time or for ours? Both. Both. So technology we would find advanced. Right. Okay. Yeah, so much so that even later on when Francis Bacon wrote his book, The New Atlantis. Oh, yes.
29:13 So Francis Bacon was the secret son of Queen Elizabeth I. He was hidden at birth. He was given to Lady Anne Bacon, who is Queen Elizabeth's lady in waiting room. And he was raised by the Bacon, Lord Nicholas Bacon and Lady Anne Bacon. But Francis Bacon and Queen Elizabeth I was a member of this militia cruciferium evangelical. She was a Templar. And that's something interesting where people think that Knights Templar are just guys on horses. Right, no, no. There were women going all the way back to the beginning. And farmers and blacksmiths and masons. Right, exactly. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't just knights on horseback. It was, and clerics.
30:04 It was an entire, it was the first multinational corporation, really. Sure. And it had men and women involved in it in different capacities. But, and so even after the suppression, as the Templar order continued to exist, secretly underground, there's some very high-level people like Queen Elizabeth I that were involved in it. Francis Bacon had also been involved in it. So when he wrote his New Atlantis, the whole basis of the book was that there was this secret underground Templar body that referred to itself as the College of Solomon, The head of the College of Solomons wearing a turban with a red Templar cross on it. And they
30:51 have developed all these technologies. So they're trying to develop all these technologies. And the story goes that there was this ship. It's kind of like the story of Lost, actually. If you ever watched that TV show. The first season. Yeah. So there's this ship that crashes on the island. And nobody knows about this island. It's like this hidden island. And when the people get off the ship, they find there's this civilization on this island, and they're totally spiritually and materially way more advanced than the rest of the world. And the people of the island explain to themselves, well, we're the College of Solomon. We develop these technologies, and we know about the whole world, but the whole world doesn't
31:40 know about us. And they say to him, well, where did you learn of these technologies? And they say, well, it's like this. We settled on this island, and then one day we saw this light out hovering over the ocean. And it was like in the shape of a cross. So we rowed our boats out to it. And there was like this force field that wouldn't let us get any closer to it. And then it spit this book out to us. And so we brought this book back to land and it was a blueprint for how to create all these technologies. So we've been just trying to develop them ever since. So this is like clearly describing this UFO event.
32:28 But all the technologies were believed to be technologies from the original Atlantis. And it described things like submarines and flying machines and things that didn't exist back in Francis Bacon's day, but it was believed these were the things that the original Atlantis had and that it was the Templar mission to redevelop these things and to reestablish a country that where they could be developed. And that's really what led to the creation of the United States to become this new Atlantis where these technologies could be developed. How does Francis Bacon's story track with Plato's description of
33:15 Atlantis? It's pretty, it's different because he's clearly sourcing back to Plato. But then he's also talking about all kinds of things that Plato doesn't talk about. And he talks about like, medicines that need to be developed and along with the technologies. And, you know, he just says it needs to be reestablished. The new Atlantis needs to be established. And does that become a Templar mission? That becomes the Templar mission, yeah. And then, yeah, then ultimately, I mean, the United States, well, originally the Royal Society was established in England to try to create
34:01 these ideas of Francis Bacon. And then that was brought over into the establishment of the United States, which then became the main New Atlantis model to develop these things and perpetuate them. So when the Templars, they end up in Jerusalem, they're, I believe, granted permission to set up their headquarters under the dome. Right, so this is the secret history. Yes. So like... This is why we're here. This is why... Right, right. So while they're supposed to be protecting pilgrims, what they're really doing is they're digging, right? And they're doing archaeological excavation under the Temple Mount. And they're going into East
34:47 Jerusalem and they're opening up tombs and finding artifacts that... And they're bringing this stuff secretly back to Europe. And then they're also going into places like Egypt, where they set up their grand commandery at the Temple of Isis at Philae. And from there, they're going into places like the Temple of Hathor at Dendera, and Hatshepsut's Temple in the Valley of the Kings, and in Karnak, and in... and they leave these Templar markers at all these places, and they leave Templar graffiti at all these places as well. And they're
35:33 finding artifacts, including arcs, like the Ark of the Cuminate. You said arcs. Arcs, plural. Plural arcs. Yeah, so they found six arcs. But there was probably 100 arcs in antiquity. Every temple in Egypt had one of these arcs, and you can see it on the temple walls when you know what to look for. So if there were 100 arcs on Earth, then how the arcs are described in the Bible is incorrect? Well, what they were is they were electrostatic capacitors, and they would be set up at certain node points around
36:18 the planet. And then the electricity would build up and it would just broadcast within the region. And let me set up for those listening. If you take acacia wood and put gold on either side of it, you create a dielectric, which does transfer electricity. That's exactly right. And then the other thing they put in the arcs was this, what was referred to as mana, which was really just gold converted into a monoatomic state and what makes it superconductive. So you put the superconductive substance inside this and it's going to produce a tremendous amount of electricity. But
37:04 monoatomic gold can only do that with some alchemical. Correct. Right. Because scientists can't do this. Correct. But somebody could. Yes. So, so the process of the Templars figured out how to do this. Right. And it, It is weird science because when you take gold and you convert it into the state, the first thing that happens is the gold, you break it down and break it down, but you still have gold. But at a certain point, the gold just disappears. Well, the lattice structure, the molecules, falls away and you're left with single atoms. Well, even before that, it... it literally disappears
37:50 into a higher dimension. What? Yeah. Okay. And then when you, when you create the conditions for it to come back, yeah, it enters in this monotomic state where every grain of this gold is one atom thick. That is the, um, the outer, the two, uh, electrons of the outer valence ring both enter into what's called a spin forward. Mm-hmm. And when that happens, it enters into a high spin state. So the nucleus completely captures the outer valence ring so it doesn't bind with anything else. And when it does this, it generates a tremendous amount of electricity and it becomes super conductive. And there are
38:37 some parts of the Anunnaki legend that say they were here from monoatomic gold. Right, yeah, they were mining gold. I think this is when we see modern UAPs in the ocean. I think that's what they're doing. I think they're, because this gold, it can also be made deep in the earth and pushed up volcanically. And then it gets deposited in the soil or in the bottom of the ocean. If you look at the bottom of the ocean, it's mostly just white powder down there, which is what this monoatomic gold is. But it also, it can be pushed up volcanically and then plants absorb it. And so the other way you can capture it is you can calcinate down like a bush, right?
39:27 Burn it down and you can extract the monoatomic gold out of the ashes. And that's interesting because calcinate, that would be one of the steps of alchemy. Correct. And it's also... We believe from a Templar perspective, it's why Moses witnessed God as a burning bush. Right? Because you have to calcinate down the bush to extract the manna. literally out of the ashes, the monoatomic gold. Do you remember the name of that bush, the scientific name? Because they're all over Egypt. Oh, yes, it's the tamarisk. Well, there's the tamarisk and then there's the acacia, but they're all over the area. But there's tamarisk, the thorny tamarisk is what they say was probably the burning bush. Right, and so there are these perennials,
40:16 this is for the audience, all over Egypt, that these perennials have, have highly volatile oils that are flammable. Correct. When the conditions are correct in the desert, they catch fire. That's exactly right. And if you extract the ashes from that, you can extract this monatomic gold from those ashes. This is also, by the way, we believe why later on, the Hebrew priests at Solomon's temple were demanding all these burnt sacrifices. Because again, you can extract the monotomics, the mana, quote unquote. And mana, by the way, mana just in Hebrew means what is it? It's literally what it means is what is it? And it's called that because if you do a spectroscopic analysis or a
41:05 chemical testing with this monotomics, it doesn't show up as anything. So it's like mana, what is it? So take us to the... Back to the Ark, the mana is in there. So it's placed in the Ark. Even the Bible says that there was a pot of mana placed in the Ark. But if you take- And mana provided throughout the entire Exodus. Correct. Yeah. Well, in Moses, he also burned the golden calf into this white powder. And for centuries, scientists said, oh, see, this is just proof the Bible's ridiculous because everyone knows gold melts. It doesn't turn into all powder. But- But actually, if you do this alchemical process to it, it does turn into a powder. And it does not only...
41:55 You can see this in ancient Egypt, on all the temples, wherever you see an ark, you'll also see the pharaoh with his hand out, with this mound-shaped cone on his hand. That cone mound is the mana. It's the mana bread. And actually, when you form the mana in the vessel, when the gold phase shifts into this other dimension, and when you bring it back in the vessel, it forms that exact mound shape. And so that's why they're depicting it that way. But the pharaoh would eat that, and it had incredible health benefits in terms of curing cancer and everything else.
42:44 But it was also put inside those arcs and it would produce this tremendous amount of power. And I am certain, actually, that's why these phase-shifting UFOs, these UAPs, that are phase-shifting the same way that the gold does when you do this alchemical process to it, that's what they're doing. They're mining this stuff. because it allows them to use... And by the way, the Hebrew tradition referred to this substance as mana, right? And it was said to, if you read texts like the Kebrot Nagas, which is the Ethiopian
43:30 text, that talks about King Solomon's flying craft. In Menelik, yes. Right, in Menelik. King Solomon's flying craft was said to be powered by this mana, right? Right? But wait, there's more. But wait, there's more. You know, in the ancient Vedic text, they talk about flying craft, and they're referred to as Vimana. In the Sumerian text, they talk about the Anunnaki, these gods, having flying craft, and the flying craft are referred to as Shimana. And the Polynesian cultures that talk about, like, how the eastern island statues were moved, It was with a substance that was referred to as manna.
44:18 Right? And in like Tibetan traditions, the white stone of enlightenment was referred to as mani. It's all the same stuff. Yes, it is. And you find it universal. And the other unique thing that happens with this manna, when you put it in, when you subject it to... a weak electrostatic or electromagnetic field, it causes the vessel containing it to start to weigh less than nothing. This is really how a couple people with rods could carry the Ark of the Covenant, which would have weighed several tons. Several tons.
45:03 You know, with all that gold and acacia wood. And maybe it's a coincidence or maybe not, but the priests that carried the arkward were the Levites. It sounds a lot like levitation. Levitation, right, exactly. Not that the word levitation is a Hebrew word, but you tell me where the word levitation comes from. There's a lot of root words to things that we normally don't think of with certain cultures. For example, the word ignite comes from ignis. Right? The Greek ignis, which meant fire. You know where that comes from? No. It comes from the Sanskrit agni, which meant fire.
45:49 Okay. So agni became igni, you know, which is where we get ignite, you know, but like most people would never, so they take it back to the Greek, but they wouldn't realize it actually comes from the Sanskrit. Sure. You know, so there's words all the time that get incorporated into words we use in English. Right. Or the word on, for example, when you turn on a light switch, on was the ancient Egyptian word for light. So you're literally turning on the light. And there's lots of words like that that we've inherited that we don't really remember the origins of. And scholars are quick to point them back to the Roman or the Latin or the Greek. but the Greeks
46:37 and the Romans, they got those from other cultures too. So, I mean, it's... Yeah, you can see a lot of... Polynesian cultures have words with Greek roots, but there's an argument to be made that it's kind of the other way around. Yeah, of course. Yeah, 100%. So to the Ark, what did the Israelites think they had? What were they doing with this box? Well, so we believe... This is from a Templar perspective. Sure. Okay, we're quite certain that the whole Moses story really goes back to, you have to understand the history associated with the pharaoh Akhenaten.
47:23 So Akhenaten was the first pharaoh to proclaim monotheism in history. He said all the gods of Egypt were actually a part of one god that was known as the Aten. or Mai-Aten, which in ancient Egyptian was Atenai, right? When Akhenaten got deposed, because the Amun priesthood rose up and were like, hey, we're not going to do this one god thing anymore. Right, because they were Shetabun and the others. Right, so they had to go underground. Akhenaten had a brother whose name was Thutmose, and when Akhenaten Akhenaten was deposed, Tutmosis is the one that took all the Atenist followers out of Egypt. And he took them up into Phoenicia.
48:11 And they literally became the Canaanites and became the early Hebrews. And so, in words like Atenai became Adonai, which meant Lord in Hebrew. But the Ark that's associated with the Hebrew tradition really was one of these arcs that was in Egypt that was a power, literally was used to generate power. And we believe these arcs, according, well, according to the ancient Egyptian account, these were technologies that had come from Utlant. Right. Which was their name for what we now call Atlantis. And it's depicted on the, um,
49:00 at Edfu, at the Temple of Horus. There's what's called the building texts that are on the wall there. And they show the gods, the needers coming over in boats from the primordial mound that had drowned in the ocean as they came to Egypt to settle. And they also showed these arcs on the boats being brought over. So anytime you see an arc in Egypt, one of these arcs, it's always depicted on a boat. And it's because it was technology that was brought over from Utlant. And deposited in these temples that were then used as like power stations. I mean, there's even that story in the Bible about Uzzah
49:46 who goes to study the arc and is electrocuted. Right, literally. Yeah, he kills him on the spot. He's shocked to death. Yeah, and that was the other thing. So... the Pharaohs are always depicted with these rods next to the ark, because they were grounding rods. So you could literally put the rod in the ground, drop it against the ark, and it would ground the electricity so then you could open it. But in the Torah, or the Old Testament, it was Aaron's rod. That's what Aaron's rod was used for. Same thing, it was a grounding rod. You put it in the ground, drop it against the ark, discharge the electricity so then you could handle the ark. But if you didn't do that, the ark would start
50:33 to build up static electricity over several hours or several days and then it would discharge through the winged figures on the top. Ah, the cherubim, yeah. The cherubim. And if you remember in the story, Moses, he sets up a tabernacle in the wilderness, which he did with wool curtains. Right. Right. And wool is also a static generator. That's right. So it would help to build up that static, you know, that would, that would then be collected in the Ark as a capacitor, which would then discharge it. That's true. When they would send priests into the tabernacle, they would tie a rope around their legs. Yeah. If they got killed, they could pull them out. Yeah. Yeah. They wouldn't get electrocuted too. Yeah. So it's, um,
51:21 So the Templar order, they found six of these arcs. Where did they find these? In between Jerusalem and Egypt. Okay. And most of them were found in Egypt. In fact, at the Temple of Sedi I at Abydos, there's a secret chamber. It's called the Umsedi room now. But it's a chamber. It's closed to the public. We lead tours in Egypt and we have access to this chamber. And what it has depicted on the temple wall is it shows Seti I holding the mana bread in his hand next to an ark. And then it shows another ark on the
52:09 boat undergoing transportation. But the ark right next to him, there's also three... red Templar crosses that were painted by the order back in the, clear back in the late 1100s. That's where they found the first Ark was in that room. And that's one of the Arks that they secured that we still have to this day. So let's take a quick break. And I want to come back and talk about the Arks that you found and, uh, I'd like to get into a little bit of ancient Egypt and how they could have worked as technology. Absolutely. Sure. We'll be right back. All right. So the
52:55 Hebrews had the arcs. They probably didn't know what they were. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. They didn't understand. Well, they had a arc. Right. For sure. They quickly learned that it could be deadly. Sure. And it would probably, you know, it'd build up. this power. Interestingly, if you, if you look at around the world and you'll see this all over Egypt, but also other places like Cambodia and in like Peru, there's these, what are known as they're called butterfly clamps, which, which would fit these stones together. And then there's these clamps and it's the
53:43 same looking clamp. Those weren't actually, we believe, weren't really to hold the stones together. Because if you wanted to hold the stones together, it would be thicker in the center and smaller on the sides. But in these cases, it's thicker on the sides and thinner in the center. So the purpose of them wasn't, and it was metal, we know it was metal that was put in there. The purpose wasn't really to hold the stones together. They were... they created a zipper effect around the temples and those were the, they were like the receiving for these arcs. So as the energy was broadcasted, it'd be picked up by this metal zipper that would go around the temples and
54:31 then they could just kind of plug into that, you know. We think that's what they were really used for. And you think there was about 100 of them? Oh yeah, at least. Around the world? Yeah, maybe even more. I mean, you find even to this day in Japan and the Shinto tradition, they have these arcs that they bring out of their temples once a year and they'll parade them around the town and they look exactly like the Ark of the Covenant. I didn't know that. Yeah, but it comes from the early Japanese tradition of having these arcs. So they were... It was an international thing that I think went back to this technology of Atlantis that, um, you know, when that
55:21 civilization collapsed, you know, there were, there's certain ones that were preserved and then later they made kind of like symbolic replicas of them. You see this a lot in Ethiopia to this day, they call them tabit boxes, but they, um, Do you believe that the Ark that's allegedly an axiom in Ethiopia is... I think it's real. You think it's real? Yeah, I think it's one of the real ones. Okay. I have no reason to doubt it, actually. I mean, that whole Ethiopian tradition there is very old. The Kevin Nagas talks about the Ark coming there. Correct, yeah. And it also... There's one of the earliest Jewish temples in Egypt... was actually on Elephantine Island.
56:10 And I've been into the ruins of, that area is closed to the public, but I've been in there. How do you get access to all these places? By the way, Tim does tours that I am definitely going to take. How do you get access to these places? Well, because the order's been there for the last thousand years doing research. And so they just give us access, you know, because we've always been respectful. they allow us to do our initiation ceremonies in the Great Pyramid still. It's not a problem. Does the Great Pyramid have anything to do with the arcs? Some believe that the so-called sarcophagus, the box that's in the king's chamber, was
56:56 originally designed to hold an arc. It would fit better than a body. Right. Others believe there is... There is something else that's going on in Egypt. At all these temples where you find these arcs, there's also talks of stargates that are on the, and this is in the hieroglyphs on the temple walls. They talk about stargates and that these arcs were being used to provide the energy for these stargates. and that the Pharaoh would go through these stargates and meet with the needers, the gods, who would instruct him, and then he would come back
57:48 and pass that on to the rest of Egypt. And there were only like seven Pharaohs that were considered masters of the stargates. And Hatshepsut was one, and then her son Thutmose III was one. Even Akhenaten, who was the great-grandson of Thutmose III, was also listed as a master of the Stargate. I have an episode coming out at some point that's going to be controversial that alleges that Akhenaten might have been Moses. Yeah, we think it was his brother, Thutmose. So Thutmose became Moses. Yep. Right? Yeah. And Thutmose II, he was just found just a couple of weeks
58:33 ago. Correct, yeah. So there's some evidence that this idea of the Aten, the one God that Akhenaten talked about, was actually known by the pharaohs, going back to Thutmose III at least, And that it was knowledge that was secret amongst the pharaohs, that all the gods were aspects of one god. And it was only Akhenaten who then made that idea public. And that was where his real heresy was. Sure, I mean, he moved the capital right from Cairo. Right, and yeah, he set up Tela Armana. And then, of course,
59:23 Nefertiti was his wife, the real kicker there is that there are bus of Nefertiti. Well, same, that, that headdress that, that Nefertiti is wearing is actually a Mayan headdress. And on Elephantine Island, there is a secret to Moses, the third temple there. And it shows Mayans trading beads with Egyptians and, Again, this is Anunnaki legend that after the great flood, the Yucatan survivors went and Egypt survivors went. Correct. And we think what happened was actually, so the Mayans, they referred to Atsalan, which was the
1:00:12 homeland. The Egyptian temple walls talk about Utlant, which is the same place, and that we think what the Egyptians later did, so the Egyptians inherited all this stuff, right? They didn't even know what most of it was. They found it. They found it. I mean, when they found the Serapian, for example, where there was these giant granite boxes that weigh 700 tons and are so perfectly and precisely made, the Egyptians couldn't have made that. They had a They had copper tools. Right. And I've seen those right angles measured with lasers. Right. And they're precise. Yes. No one
1:01:01 knows really what the boxes were for. According to early accounts, the only thing that was found in them was a white powder. Right. Right. So it was probably this monoatomic gold. And it was probably a survivor bunker, you know, to preserve this stuff from the cataclysm. So when the Egyptians later found it, they were totally freaked out. We know they were because they started making, they started sacrificing bulls there. They started eating the dirt out of the temple walls because they thought it might have magical properties. I mean, these were not the technologically advanced people who made those
1:01:48 boxes. These were... the later people who found them, clearly, and were trying to process it. But we also know that the Egyptians wanted to find the original homeland of the Niders and of this tradition. And so they probably sailed in boats over to the Yucatan and met with the Mayans who had the same tradition. And, you know, we don't know how much they associated with them. But we do know, like in the Valley of the Queens, for example, there's a tomb dedicated to a Queen Maya. And there's Mayan artwork in the tomb. You know, so there had to have been some crossbreeding going on.
1:02:38 And it may be that Nefertiti herself was a Mayan princess. She was said to have come from a foreign land. And... And that was Akhenaten's wife. And then King Tutankhamen was their son. And his original name was Tutankhamen after the Atenists. In fact, his throne says Tutankhamen on it. But he had to change it to Amun because the Amun priesthood took over at that point. So we've got the arcs transmitting energy I subscribe to the pyramid power plant theory. Yeah, if you were to put one of those arcs in there
1:03:24 and turn it on, I mean, even without adding chemicals and everything else to create that energy, as is the theory, even beyond all that, The granite in there is paseoelectric. That's the rose granite. Right, the rose granite. So as that pressure is put on it, it produces electricity. It's in the middle of the desert. The pyramid itself is a giant static, electrostatic capacitor. If you stand on top of the pyramid and you take a bottle with a wet rag on it and hold it up, sparks are going to be shooting off the top of it just because it's already building up. static
1:04:09 electricity, but then if you put an arc in the center of it, with this monoatomic substance, the superconductive substance is gonna really generate a lot of power. And you throw a gold capstone on top. Yeah, of course, it's just gonna transmit it throughout the region. And really, I think there's some theories that Nikola Tesla when he was developing his Wardenclyffe Tower and all of his research he was doing in Colorado Springs, Colorado. He was trying to mimic this process. Sure, I mean, he built Wardenclyffe on top of an aquifer. Correct. Just like Giza. Right, just like Giza, yep. Here's where I
1:05:00 get tripped up is I can buy into that the fact that there's electricity flowing around the ancient world, but what were they powering? I think they were powering the same things we power today. I think by some accounts, the earth was as populated and as advanced as it is today. Wow, that's a big claim. It's a huge claim. I'm willing to make it because there is evidence for that. There's even evidence of nuclear detonations in the ancient world. at places like Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa, even on Easter Island. And by the way, this is something you never hear about.
1:05:46 So Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa in India, there was a script that was found. The only other place we find that exact same script is on Easter Island, which is on the exact opposite side of the globe. So there was clearly... a worldwide advanced civilization that was going on. Harry Truman, when he wrote in his diary entry that, by the way, Harry Truman was a past grandmaster of Missouri for Freemasonry. He was a 33rd degree Freemason and he was a Templar. And when he wrote in his diary entry about the discovering of the atomic bomb, he says, we have discovered an ancient
1:06:33 weapon. I didn't know he said that. Yeah, those were his exact words. We have discovered an ancient weapon. And these texts you're talking about, they do talk about a sky filled with fire. Absolutely. Oppenheimer was a Sanskrit scholar. Yes. That's why when he said, I've become death, the destroyer of worlds, that's directly from the Mahabharata. Yes. And books like the Ramayana, the Mahabharata, they say things like, it talks about, It
1:07:18 says, Madly. After a few days had passed over, all foodstuff became infected. Hair and nails began to fall out. Sounds like radiation poisoning. Radiation poisoning. The soldiers threw themselves in the streams to wash themselves and their equipment. Clouds roared upward, showering gravel. I mean, these were all... descriptions of this weapon. By the way, the Vamanas were these flying craft, you know. So, these are in ancient texts. These were things
1:08:08 that the Nazis were studying, that Ananerba were studying to try to develop this when they were developing their V2 program, that Oppenheimer or that, yeah, was in charge of, and then he was brought over to establish the NASA program for the... Von Braun. Von Braun, yeah, Wernher Von Braun, sorry, not Alvin, Wernher Von Braun, he was in charge of the V2 program. He was brought over to develop Saturn V for NASA. But again, we're talking about ancient technology. And there is plenty of evidence of this around the ancient world, and it's mentioned in the text, the
1:08:56 ancient texts. So I think the world was a lot more advanced than anyone's willing to talk about. I think there was this mass cataclysm. I mean, just like today, most of the major cities were on the coast. As sea levels rose 300 feet, it just erased everything. And then all that was left over was the myths and some areas of survival. One of the things that we point out when we go to Egypt, for example, when we do the tours in Egypt, and this is not a well-known or popular theory, but we
1:09:41 believe that the Valley of the Kings, for example, was originally survival bunkers. Because most people think of them as just these tombs built into the cliff sides. But what they don't realize is all those tombs are connected by these tunnels that go deep down into the earth where they're all connected. And it would have taken thousands of people to carve out all these tunnels. And if you were a pharaoh and you're trying to find a place to hide yourself where you're buried, you're certainly not going to hire thousands of workers to create a bunch of tunnels. so that you could be buried down there. I mean, the secret would have gotten out right away. So
1:10:30 we believe that from a Templar perspective, that the pharaohs wanted to be buried at the place where their ancestors originally came out after the cataclysm. And so the other thing that these pharaohs did is they In their tombs, they tried to preserve the knowledge of that civilization prior to the cataclysm. And so we show, for example, in certain tombs where there's these tall men with red beards that have baby woolly mammoths and giant slaws on leashes. Like... Pre-ice age animal. Pre-ice
1:11:17 age animals that the Egyptians shouldn't even know about. And there they are, carved in the tomb, being preserved by the pharaoh. Why would he want to preserve that in his tomb in that area? Is that public, or is that something that you've seen? It's something I've seen. I mean, I can show the photos of it, but, I mean, that's one of the things we show when we go on these tours, you know, so people can see it. Your tour will go in there? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We show it. Because the... The Tomb of the Kings, that network theory, that's disputed. But have you seen that network? Oh, yeah. Well, they have it. They have, yeah, that entire tunnel network is, they actually, when you go into the entrance of the Valley of the Kings, they have a model of it for the public to see. Oh, my goodness. It looks like a giant ant farm underneath there. And
1:12:05 some of them go down, you know, 200, 300 feet down into the, in there. Why did they even have these tunnels for their tombs? It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't. It makes sense if you understand those were survival bunkers. It makes me think of the underground city, Derinkuyu, in Turkey. Same type of deal. Exactly. Yep, exactly the same type of deal. And for that matter, and this is another Templar-related thing, One of the things that the order also discovered when it first went to Egypt is that there were these massive tunnel networks that existed between Giza and Saqqara.
1:12:52 Saqqara is where the Step Pyramid of Zoser is. That word Saqqara is actually where we get the word sacred from. But there are tunnels that stretch that whole way. large tunnels. That area, that underground in the ancient Egyptian language was known as Ras Tau, which just meant underworld. When the Templars discovered this, they brought that knowledge back with them, and they transliterated the the Egyptian Rastau into the Latin language they're familiar with. So, Rast became
1:13:40 rose and tau became cross. Oh my goodness. So, they adopted the symbol of the Rose Cross to talk about the secret underground area of Egypt. And then, when they went and set up the cathedrals, they started building the cathedrals of Europe and they were bringing back this Egyptian knowledge and they were trying to set up the cathedrals in the same manner of the Egyptian temples and they put their alchemical knowledge like you could go to Notre Dame Cathedral the front doors of Notre Dame Cathedral they have all the stages of alchemy depicted which nobody knew at that time except for groups like the Sabaeans and the Druze in the Middle East and
1:14:29 So it's very clear that Templars were associated with them and bringing this knowledge back. But they set up the cathedral so if you view them from the sky, they're crosses, but then they put the rose windows in them, right? To make them rose crosses. Ras Tau, that knowledge from Egypt, from the underworld of Egypt. So the Rosicrucians are the followers of? Correct. Yeah, so the Templar order, when they created the Rosicrucian order in Germany, That symbol, the rose cross, was really just pointing back to the Ras Tau, the underworld of Egypt. And this is also why they also brought over, they put the black Madonnas in the crypts of the cathedrals. This was hearkening back to the Temple of Isis where they
1:15:19 had their grand commandery in Egypt where they had the granite or the basalt statues of Isis with the young child Horus on her lap that was, you know, it was black basalt in ancient Egypt. So they just recreated that image and painted it black and put it in the crypts of the cathedrals where they're holding their secret initiation ceremonies. And it was to hearken back to that origin in Egypt. And there was a lot of things like that. I mean, Another example is the Baphomet, right? They were accused of worshiping this
1:16:05 ram-headed figure, right? Well, what that ram-headed figure was is it was actually the god Amun of ancient Egypt, which was where we get the word Amen from. And it was a ram because it was created during the age of Ares. All that Egyptian stuff was largely created during the age of Aries. Judaism came out of that age of Aries, which is why they use all this shepherd metaphor. And you'll see the rabbi with their locks that are made to look like lamb. Lamb ears, you know? But that
1:16:54 word, Baphome, it actually comes from ancient Egyptian. Ba meant soul. Fa meant from. And mat meant universal order. So it was literally the soul from the universal order. And that was Baphomet. But it was a figure of the god Amun. Amun. And he was a ram because what sound does a ram make? Ba. Ba, oh yeah. Which means soul, right? And you'll see this too if you go to Karnak, for example, there's a row of sphinxes. And as you're
1:17:44 going into Karnak, you'll see all these ram-headed sphinxes because, again, the ram was... But then he had, they have ram heads, but they have lion bodies. And the reason for this is the lion represented the age of Leo, where the Egyptian civilization came out of. But then the temple was being created during the age of Ares, which was the ram. Right? So that's what they were saying. They were saying, look, we're creating this temple now during the age of Aries. How far back would that take us? Well, so the age of Leo was during the Younger
1:18:31 Dryas cataclysm. Of course. And that's when the sinks was built. Right. Right? It was during that time. Facing Leo. Facing Leo on the horizon. Yeah. So it was saying, look, our foundations that we came out of was during the age of Leo, during the cataclysm, the Younger Dryas cataclysm. We are now practicing under the age of Aries. So the god, a moon is depicted as a ram for that reason. And the ram, of course, says Ba, which is the soul. Let's talk a little bit about the controversial stuff regarding religious artifacts. Sure, absolutely. I mean, I've been following you for a long time. I don't
1:19:18 think you can get away from these anymore. No, no, no, let's do it. I might be more comfortable you telling what you found than me putting words in
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