0:00 All right, here we go. It looks interesting. >> Oh, soup needs broth. >> Saitama just knocks him off the planet right off the bat, huh? Oh, that's cool. He's running on the Kamehameha. Oh, his animation is great. >> Is that too much for you? >> It was just gas. I was like, come on, that wouldn't hurt him. Comes blue. He just skipped God. Key attacks would never work on Saitama. Oh, he's copying it? >> [screaming] >> Oh, that's dope. I love that. Ultra Instincts. Oh, the music is nice.
0:46 >> [music] >> Saw his skull crack there. Goku's face is [screaming] shattered, bro. He's on 1 HP. Wait, [screaming] what? You can't Kaio-Ken 100 and mastered Ultra Instinct? Wait. Hit him into the black hole? A black hole wouldn't stop Saitama. K.O. >> Wiz He did it. >> What?
1:32 Saitama didn't take any damage the entire fight, and then he just gets one shot by some mythical non-canon ability. Okay. All right. As fun as that was, and the animation was really cool, I'm going to have to debunk this. If you don't know who I am, hi, my name is Mastar. I've been covering Dragon Ball and One Punch Man on my YouTube channel for 10 years. I know a lot of people say, "Oh, you're just a One Punch Man fanboy." But, the truth is Dragon Ball is my first anime. I got started on it 30 years ago. It was my entire childhood, and it's what inspired me to learn how to animate. I've been covering Dragon Ball and One Punch Man, both the anime and the manga. I made a fan series of Goku versus Saitama really long time ago, which transformed into another fan series called Anime War, and then
2:18 recently I released a brand new Goku versus Saitama fight. Although I gave them fan forms and fan techniques. So, it's really just supposed to be for fun. Whereas Death Battle here really tried to use their feats and mathematics to determine who was the winner. Interestingly, the final attack that Goku did, the Ultra Instinct Kaioken 100 Dragon Fist, was very similar to what I did, which was the Kaioken Omni Infinity Dragon Fist to take out Saitama. But, the fight didn't end there. I'll talk about that a little bit later on in this video. But, the main takeaway is the one that I did is just fan-made for fun with made-up forms and abilities. Whereas Death Battle is trying to do the real canon mathematical interpretation of who would actually win using power scaling. And that's an important distinction
3:05 because since we're going off the canon, there is one inevitable fact that they didn't discuss, and it's pivotal to this entire conversation. And that's that Saitama cannot take damage. It's totally true that Goku's feats in terms of power is obviously way more than Saitama in the series, but it still doesn't fundamentally change the main feature of Saitama in that he is invincible. You can't hurt him. Even if your power is enough to destroy the universe, even if you collapse the universe on top of Saitama, it still doesn't kill him. He can't die. He is invincible. It's just the way his character is written. Every time some sort of character use some sort of alternate dimensional ability, it doesn't phase him. So, yeah,
3:50 Goku would start out stronger in the fight and he would probably knock Saitama all over the place kind of like Boros did. But Saitama's power would just increase to eventually catch up to Goku and then surpass him. So, if you're thinking well, Goku if you went all out from the very beginning before Saitama had the chance to power scale and catch up kind of like he did there at the end of this, that might be a way to kill Saitama if you could kill him. The problem remains, you can't kill Saitama. He's invincible. He's never taken damage ever. He literally cannot take damage. That's the way he's written. And anybody who thinks that you can hurt him, that Goku would win here, obviously hasn't read the One Punch Man manga. It doesn't matter how strong his opponent is. He doesn't take damage and
4:35 eventually because he has infinite power scaling, he'll just surpass whoever his opponent is. >> Which means Saitama would have to increase his power by 25 octillion times just to match Goku. >> So, Goku I'm >> Yeah, and he would. It doesn't matter how much Saitama has to increase. The rate at which his power grows is not hindered by anything and it's not slow by any means. That's never been talked about in the manga. You can't say that because it's 25 quintillion times stronger, it would take Saitama a million years to reach that point. You don't know that. That's just inventing things. The only thing you know is that Saitama's power raises and increases based on who his opponent is. So, if he fights someone who's 25 quintillion times stronger, you don't know that it would take him an extended period of time to catch up. He could still catch up in a second. The actual words they
5:22 use in the manga is that his power grows exponentially. Exponential is an extremely important term here when discussing this because it keeps compounding on top of itself meaning that it really would not take him that long to catch up to Goku. >> We calculate [music] Saitama could bridge the gap and match the power of Super Saiyan God in only two minutes. >> I don't know if that math checks out, bro, but But, I'll give that one to you. Sure. Saitama could last 2 minutes just tanking damage from Goku. You know why? Cuz he's invincible. He can't take damage. >> Effectively resetting the battle dynamic even after Saitama closes the gap. >> And Goku >> Yes, but you still can't hurt Saitama, dude. It doesn't matter how strong you are. You could be multiversal level. It doesn't matter. You can't hurt him.
6:10 Like this is the thing that people don't understand. They're trying to say that Goku can win based on feats, but there's a fundamental difference in that Saitama cannot take damage. You have someone who's invincible with infinite scaling and no limit versus someone who is mortal and has a limit. And they have stamina. Saitama doesn't have stamina and he's invincible and he has infinite scaling potential versus someone who's the opposite of all of those things. So, Saitama can't lose. It's common sense. So, for everyone who thinks that Goku would just straight-up win against Saitama based on feats, it seems like they really haven't read the One Punch Man manga. Because if you actually understand Saitama's character and you know what he is, you understand that he cannot take damage. He is literally invincible. He doesn't need to breathe
6:56 in space. He's multi-dimensional. It's not really a fair fight because you're putting a character that like Goku that can actually die and has stamina versus a character who's invincible, has infinite stamina, and infinite exponential power growth. It doesn't make sense. People will try to argue and debunk this by showing this one panel here of Saitama versus Garou in which it looks like Saitama is spitting up blood. And I remember specifically this was a really big deal for the One Punch Man community because if Saitama was actually spitting up blood, this was the final page of a manga chapter and we were all like, "What the heck? Is it Is it actually happening? Like is Saitama finally taking damage?" Well, no. The very next chapter comes out and he's completely fine. There's no blood. There's no damage on him. It's just
7:42 visual effect. You actually see this sometimes in anime as characters clash. These little chunks or dots come off of the character. It's just a visual addition. It may have been spit from Saitama. Yes, I know it looks black like it's blood, but it's not blood. He has never taken damage in the history of the entire series. Since he broke his limit, by the way. Now, if you were able to somehow go back in time to before he became god mode and kill his younger self, then potentially you could beat Saitama through time travel. But, the problem is Saitama can also time travel. So, if you try to go back in time to destroy his earlier self, he would just follow you back and KO you. Now, what about going forward in time to a point where Saitama is an old man? Well, there's no information at all in the One
8:28 Punch Man manga that says that he loses power with his age. I mean, we don't even know if he's actually aging anymore, to be honest. He's supposed to be 25 years old, but considering his character is this invincible being that doesn't follow any of the laws of other beings, I'm not even sure that he really even ages anymore. Like, his physical age number might go up, but I don't see any changes actually happening in his body. He's I don't see him getting a stamina bar all of a sudden. Like, he has no stamina bar at all. So, even if you were able to time travel into the future when he's an old man, there's not even a single piece of information that would say that he's weaker than he's his 25-year-old current self. And even then, Saitama still may be able to follow you there and knock you out anyways. So, potentially you could time travel forward to a point where he died of old
9:16 age, if that's even possible. But, even then, you're not actually beating Saitama. You're just straight up dodging the fight altogether. But, probably the most important idea here and concept that we have to talk about is Saitama's power scaling potential. As we see from his fight with Garou, who's almost equal in strength, as Saitama fights a powerful opponent, his power begins to increase exponentially. Exponential being a very key word there. So, while I agree that Goku has way more strength than current Saitama based on his feats, being able to use a punch to destroy the entire universe, eventually during their fight Saitama would surpass Goku, which granted Death Battle did talk about here. But, what Death Battle does wrong is they make this assumption that if Goku's able to raise his power so high that he takes out Saitama in one hit
10:03 without allowing Saitama to catch up, then he could win the fight. That's essentially the entire assumption that Death Battle has made here, but it's flawed because Saitama can't die. He cannot take damage. I don't care about him Goku not being able to breathe in space, that doesn't really bother me. Yeah, he could have teleported back and forth from Earth just to get a breath of air and then gone back and fought Saitama, but yeah, Saitama doesn't have to breathe in space as we saw from the entire fight of Saitama versus Garou out on the moon of Jupiter. I don't really care about that. I don't care the fact that they made up Kaio-Ken 100 Ultra Instinct, which doesn't exist. It doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that Saitama cannot take damage and he has infinite growth potential. If he didn't have the infinite growth potential, it could
10:48 potentially just be a stalemate because Saitama would have a limit to his power. He wouldn't be able to hurt Goku and Goku wouldn't be able to hurt him. But, the fact that Saitama grows in power exponentially in order to surpass his opponent means that eventually he will beat Goku. All Goku's going to gain from increasing his power against Saitama is knock Saitama around a little bit. And that's what the entirety of the Boros versus Saitama fight really was. It was supposed to show you like what Saitama would be like against a Dragon Ball Z character. Yes, Saitama would get knocked around a ton, flung out into space, blasted through mountains and such, but the only thing that would take damage is his costume. It doesn't matter how powerful your character is, you cannot hurt Saitama. And that's not just me being a Saitama fanboy. Keep in mind,
11:34 I really love both characters equally. If anything, I probably love Goku a little more because I grew up with the Dragon Ball. It inspired my entire childhood. This is just a simple fact of the show. Like you're trying to compare two things that are not really comparable. A character who can die versus character who can't die. And that simple sense right there debunks the entire fight. Now, in my fan film of Goku versus Saitama, I gave Goku this omniform, which is basically like the level of the Omni King. So, I made him like the level of God. I also gave Saitama this like God form as well. And so, I did use this concept that Goku briefly became so powerful that he was actually able to hurt Saitama. But, it's fan-made. It's fan fun. I'm not trying to actually use feats and manga and mathematics to determine who would actually win. Like, I'm just straight up
12:20 embellishing the fact that it's fan-made and for fun. And Goku still didn't even really beat Saitama. He got up. Saitama still had his God-destroying punch. And because Goku had just used that insane power boost against Saitama, the next strike wouldn't go so well because Saitama would gain a tremendous power boost just from tanking that hit from Goku. But, I interrupted the fight because you can't have a winner or the or one fan base gets pretty butt-hurt. So, maybe Goku, he could use the Dragon Balls for to wish for Saitama to not be immortal or to take away his powers. So, I did this in my Saitama versus the Monster God fan film, in which the Monster God is the creator of all powers in the multiverse. And the only way for him to actually hurt Saitama was to erase his own power, which would erase
13:05 Saitama's powers as well. So, maybe if the Dragon Balls would work on Saitama and take away his invincibility, perhaps Goku could do that. But, you know, something like that, it's really just conjecture. Would the Dragon Balls even work on Saitama? Dimensional attacks don't work on him. He can kind of break out the fourth wall. Honestly, I don't I don't think the Dragon Balls would even work on Saitama. But who can say, you know? The only people who can actually say are the writers One and Toriyama. And unfortunately, rest in peace Toriyama, he has passed. So, maybe if One, the writer of One Punch Man, comes out and says, "Yes, Goku would beat Saitama." That would change everything. But I don't think he'll ever say that. I don't think he would lose. Goku can't even teleport Saitama out into space and
13:51 suffocate him to death because Saitama can just fart his way back to Earth. And until we get a single picture or piece of information that Saitama can actually take damage, if that happens, it changes everything. If Saitama does actually take damage at some point in the series, then this entire conversation changes. But the simple fact is that he is literally invincible. And you can't beat someone who is literally invincible. It's really just that simple. The only way that Goku wins is if you remove what Saitama is as a character. And in that sense, it's not even really fair to compare the two because Saitama is a parody. Like, he's supposed to be that way. It's not supposed to be realistic. Whereas Dragon Ball, people can die. Saitama can't die. He can't take damage.
14:37 That's just the way he's written. So, it's just kind of unfair to even try and put them together in this sort of sense. Goku would knock Saitama around. Saitama's power would increase. Goku would start going through his forms. Saitama's power would increase. Goku would get to his final form, and Saitama's power would increase over Goku, and then he would just eventually win. That's just how it has to go. You literally can't argue with that. Unless you can find me one piece of information that says Saitama can take damage, you can't argue with it. It's completely debunked. And I think that's really the biggest problem here is the Dragon Ball fan base, they don't know much about Saitama. They don't read the One Punch Man manga. They just see this goofy looking superhero that's has a strong punch. And so, they assume that Goku would stomp him. But they're not reading the manga. They don't understand the actual facts, which is that he's
15:23 invincible. He doesn't need to breathe in space, he can swim in lava, a black hole wouldn't even crush him. He It would just collapse on him. To be honest, I find it kind of interesting that the Dragon Ball fans are celebrating this fight so hard and using it as a justification that this is the truth. Because this YouTuber said it, it's the truth. Like dude, power scalers will say anything. Just because a YouTuber says it doesn't mean it's the truth. The only words that matter are those from the authors themselves. So, you can use as much mathematics to try and justify this fight as you want. It doesn't matter because Saitama is literally invincible. And Superman beat Goku in this death battle three times in three separate videos, Goku lost to Superman, are now cheering when Goku
16:08 beats Saitama. So, I hope this clears that up. I know a lot of people probably won't agree with it, but they're wrong. You need to go read the One-Punch Man manga. If you think Goku wins this fight, it's just It's simply because you don't understand what Saitama is. And until we get an actual image of Saitama taking damage or being able to be stopped somehow, which there has never been anything of the sort, he wins this fight every time. Now, this could obviously change as the One-Punch Man manga continues. Maybe when he fights the monster god, he does take damage, but the problem is we need a clear benchmark of what it takes to actually hurt Saitama. And without that, you can't say that he loses or he dies because there's never been a single shred anywhere in the manga that says that he can take damage or he can die or he can
16:55 be defeated. Everything else is just a theory. So, if you want to approach Goku versus Saitama death battle as it was just for fun, sure. But if you're trying to say it's definitive proof that Goku would win, you're completely wrong.
