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0:04 [Music] data. The outcome of a meeting between US President Donald Trump and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin up on the new face or scope for global diplomacy. What should be the principles and futures of diplomacy in contemporary society and how can diplomacy thrive in the context of multilateralism and high tuned geopolitics? The recent Trump put in Alaska summit drew more attention as to what should be the ideal characteristics of international
0:49 relations and global diplomacy in contemporary and complex world. Uh it's a greater ladies and gentlemen to welcome you to yet another compelling edition of your knowledge sharing program. It is global inside in conjunction with globals and uh we are together with a team of extreme panel ready to unpack the differing perspectives and analyze what the Alaska summit means or meant for the uh trajectory of the Ukraine conflict and particularly international diplomacy at large. And thus we are going to uncover in the course of this uh uh program.
1:37 noting that the anticipation and anxiety uh that characterized uh the uh pre-era of this meeting the historic meeting between Putin and Trump actually ended with uh some sort of controversies as the world did not have a clear or expirely expected outcome of the meeting pertaining uh resolving the uh conflict in Ukraine. This and more we are going to uncover in the course of the program. Thank you so much. I'm your host Clarence with oven and I join you right after the jingle. [Music]
2:24 Hello ladies and gentlemen, welcome. This is Global Insider and we continue to focus on topics of utmost importance having global ramifications. We continue to review or revisit the August 15 meeting that uh took place between uh the president of the United States of America, Donald Trump, and his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, threatening the uh situation in Ukraine. And like we underlined in the preamble, it was uh met with so much zest and anxiety at the same time from uh global elite nations of of the global south, the international organizations. But then the outcome of the the meeting became
3:10 very problematic given that no concrete or the much anticipated outcome was reached between uh these uh two leaders. And it brings us again now to asking this very important question. If uh the outcome of the meeting actually spiralled us to the uh new phase of global diplomacy which is very uh important in contemporary society. And of course we are going to go right the way uh to uncovering the panel that will unpack or decode some of the uh uh very important issues pertaining the uh August 15 Alaska meeting and how it's changing the diplomatic trajectory of uh
3:56 the uh global world and uh uh to the United States of America. We're going to welcome Ashil Eki who is a corporate a corporate finance expert and also CEO of Washington Valion Group. It's always a pleasure having you accepting to share insight on very compelling topics like that like the one we have this day. Dear AK, thank you Claris. Thank you very much for the invitation once more. Appreciate it. This topic is very valuable for our listeners today and the whole continent of Africa and as a matter of fact the whole world. So I'm pleased to be part of this conversation. Thank you so much for the invitation. It's always a pleasure and we also appreciate you for giving importance to this around the VU.
4:43 Like you've said, it is a a topic that is important not just for Africa but for countries in the global world, especially nations that are still very new in this sphere of global diplomacy and ramifications. And now joining us for the first time on this uh platform uh we're going to Germany to acknowledge the presence of Dean Andrew Midday who is editor and executive intelligence review. I hope I got the name correctly Dean. Thank you for joining us this day on Global Insight. Thank you for having me and I'm very excited to be on here for the first time on your on your platform. Yes. I think
5:29 the just just to say a couple of words. I think the most important thing this meeting is the meeting that I believe everyone was waiting for and uh I believe it in a in a certain sense it was a very it was very successful because the issue was not really the Ukraine. The issue was rolling back the geopolitical anti-Russian policy of the Biden administration and the current policy of Europe which continues along the line of the Biden administration. And uh so the real issue was not was not
6:15 Ukraine. It was you know bringing together the United States and Russia for the first time in four years. Absolutely. And this is what this is what is important. The Europeans demonstrated that they are oh with the seven Europeans who were there and Zalinski, I call them Snow White and the seven dwarfs because they uh they they proved to be totally to totally insane and totally out of it. And I'm reading the I was reading TAS this morning and it's it was clear that the Russians have a very very low opinion of the Europeans and are not
7:02 particularly concerned about their threats because they can't carry them out. But I'm looking forward. We have to look forward to what actually will happen following this summit. and uh the Ukraine might take a bit more time to resolve, but I think you're going to see probably progress visav Russia and the United States. Uh do you want to shall I go on or did you want to go on to other speakers? I will come back to you uh subsequently uh Tina and thank you of course uh for uh joining this conversation and we will of course appreciate the insight that will
7:47 come again to bring more light onto how uh diplomacy works and how countries need to actually redefine their standings along uh international diplomacy. With pleasure we going to also welcome Professor Jagdesh Katri who is an author and a global analyst. He's joining us from India. Hello to you professor Jagdesh. It's a pleasure. Hello. Thank you very much. Uh greetings from India to everyone. Uh it's always a pleasure and privilege to be on this platform. It's uh I take it as a good platform for learning as well as sharing. uh with regard to the topic uh I think it's most relevant topic to be
8:34 discussed and debated today because uh this was one serious effort for uh bringing peace to long-standing war and uh it was uh as you said uh it was uh having high expectations but as we see that it was very high on optics also with red carpet being uh rolled over by US soldiers and B2 bombber fly past along with F-35 and uh President uh uh Trump welcoming uh uh President uh Putin. So it was high on optics no doubt but uh perhaps low on
9:20 outcome as uh our expectations were very high but uh as I feel that uh such longstanding issues cannot be solved in one meeting. So uh rather than low on outcome I would like to say it is slow on outcome but surely we are optimistic and let us see uh how the things unfold in future. So thank you uh these are my initial remarks. Absolutely being optimistic and of course watching how events unfold and how this will uh eventually uh bring uh to a practical and sustainable solution that will ensure global peace which will give again a meaning uh uh importance to the
10:08 concept of globalization and uh international cooperation and why not multilateralism. uh we are going to uh ride off with the uh uh contextual understanding of this topic for today uh revisiting the Alaska uh summit. Let's write off with you uh Ashil AK giving a holistic understanding of the uh the summit and how it affects the diplomacy of uh the global world and particularly African countries that have been very uh very pivotal or maybe a main uh stakeholder in present day or contemporary uh diplomatic uh affairs.
10:57 Ash. Okay, please you're muted. Yes, thank you. Sorry about that. Right. So, um, this is a fantastic question because from the African perspective, this summit really uh looked like a like a show. Um uh but it was necessary at least to uh bring the most important parties together, United States and Russia cuz those are the two people that are really fighting you know United States is fighting Russia through NATO and through Ukraine and we know that because of you know all the history behind it and so um it's great to see the president of United States um you know showing that
11:43 um um you know it's for this war to end. Uh they acknowledge you know I think they you know Trump have done that long time ago. They know that they are the one who started this war by supporting uh first by expanding east side you know uh by you know by expanding you know near Russia um which is something that they u you know they agreed not to do and they sort of validated that u that word and so they valid that that agreement and so by doing so they starting now to um um you know include Ukraine within NATO with the European Union and and everything else and that is that was a very uh difficult position for Russia to be in. So they decided to
12:32 you know uh stop uh you know this progress given the fact that um uh pro-Russian uh uh you know speakers in in Ukraine um you know were being killed in numbers since 2014. So it's been an ongoing war uh you know within Ukraine killing uh Russia Russian speaking um uh people in the Dumbbas region and um you know it has not stopped and every efforts that Mr. Putin did did to uh stop did not happen and so it was necessary for him to uh to protect you know the citizen of that area and then and provide them with uh the the necessary comfort and protection that they needed. So it's widely acknowledged
13:18 today that um you know that's what that was caused the war and today it's about you know stopping this because the the plan the plan that they had was to destroy Russia's Russia's economy destroy the country and even uh break the country in different pieces in several pieces we remember the French minister of economy who announced on television that Russia was going to Russia's economy was going to be destroyed you know following their decisions to uh put a lot of sanctions on Russia. Of course that did not happen and we see today that it's instead Russia that is doing very well economic wise uh that is you know very strong and um even though they stopped uh buying
14:03 oil Russian oil and and you know you know officially we know that they're buying it you know through uh intermediaries like India or or other countries and so same thing for gas so it's a big hypocrisy that we're witnessing right now from a European perspective. So, it's really um something to watch and and and you know, it's really it's it's it's really unbelievable what what we're watching today. Uh so um from the African perspective I think um you know uh it would be great that this war stops uh because there are so many um areas of cooperation between Russia um and and and China and other countries uh in that
14:49 region that African countries would like to um to to to to mobilize to continue doing business with and since this war has been has started um you know it's It has been a little problem for many countries when it comes for example to cereals um you know um you know all different type of products that um Ukraine and Russia and China and all these people in those regions were providing to African countries. So it would be a good idea for the war to stop and especially for people that are dying to stop dying because war is never a good thing. And so uh we're looking forward to this um process uh continuing and and in a way that um you know we
15:36 hope is going to uh you know bring peace and and and and and calm in that region for the longest longest time possible. So that's the hope that we have from the African perspective. Now that objective when we see how conquest or occupation uh seems to be uh actually some aspects which are very embedded as you okay in the uh uh the aspect of uh diplomacy in the same perspective with you Dina still on the conceptual understanding of the meeting I know you already gave some highlight during your uh introduction but then uh we want to to look at this problematic given that of course it it was
16:22 successful in the fact that uh we saw the two leaders coming together again especially after the start of the special military operation in 2022. Now let's look at how this uh the outcome of the summit affected uh some of the the principles or futures of diplomacy in uh contemporary society taking the Ukraine crisis as a case study. Please you are muted. As I said, the the actual conflict or the actual subject of the as I see it
17:09 of the of the summit was not directly uh Ukraine, but to resolve the conflict that was created between the West and the so-called West and Russia by the previous Biden administration. and the Europeans. The outcome of this is is that uh Trump is Trump is sort of a Dr. Jackekal and Mr. Hyde as my friend Roy McGovern said. And his uh his Jackal side, his good side is is that he wants to have a good relationship with Russia. He wants to
17:55 have arms control. This has been an issue for him for most of his political career going back to the 80s and he wants to have this good relationship with with uh with Putin. On the other hand, he has a a Mr. Hyde which of course we see this a lot. It's the the tariff war, the what's happening in Gaza, etc. Sure. But his commitment to to resolving this this conflict with Russia and having a cooperative relationship is important. But what we see are the Europeans who are totally on a I can't use any word but is but
18:40 insane and totally unrealistic. They continue to jabber about continuing this war, about Ukraine joining NATO, about deploying troops, about Russia ready to attack Europe by by the end of next year. They're in they want to embark on a massive uh rearmament uh program, which they don't have the economy to do it. I just heard today that that France is considering going to the IMF because of its financial problems and this this is this is one of the outcomes. Now I think as the Europeans get more and more discredited that Putin and and Trump might come
19:29 closer together. But let me just diverse a little bit because the cooperation between Russia and the United States of course is extremely important for the rest of the world. Absolutely. And uh I'm also associated with the Schiller Institute which was founded by the founder of my publication the late uh economist Lyndon Larouche and the institute now is chaired by and she is al also the founder is his widow Helga Zeppelouch and she put out a proposal when this summit was first announced and one was that in terms of Russian US relations and the fact that it was
20:16 held in Alaska, one point of cooperation would have been would be to actually build the tunnel between the bearing straits. This was this has been a discussion for a hundred years and it was in high discussion even 10 years ago and I'm sure it somehow came up maybe behind the doors at this at this summit. What did come up were statements following the conference and even before the conference that by President Putin that uh there's great scope for economic cooperation between the United States
21:01 and Russia particularly in the Arctic uh which of course everyone knows that Russia is very very busy developing their Arctic transport their Arctic hydrocarbon resources and they're inviting other countries to uh to participate in that. China of course is part participating in that and once sanctions are lifted the US will part will probably once again participate in the in that. The other thing Helder Zeppelouch proposed was that that now now would be a good time for Trump to attend the celebrations for the ending of World War II in the Pacific.
21:47 Yeah, that will take place, I believe, on September 3rd in Beijing in China. And there you would have the three of them, Putin, uh, Xiinping and Trump. And this would this would give a tremendous signal to everyone in the planet that that uh, you know, the the issue of nuclear war would be more or less off the agenda and uh, the situation in Ukraine will have to be resolved. uh and the opposition to that would would be weakened which is quite imperative. Dina, I think I'll come back to you subsequently to
22:34 look at the possibility of this uh uh you know the the attic development given or maybe the practical framework that can be adopted subsequently to ensure uh that other countries having geopolitical interest uh in the Arctic Council do not uh get uh you know some sort of retaliation that will further uh you kill the peace that we have we are looking for. And now we are going again to India to professor Jagdisha. Today we are looking at the meeting between Trump and uh uh Putin that happened in uh on the 15th of August 2025. It was actually
23:21 historic meeting for the first time uh since the launch of the special military operation. And we see we when we listen to uh uh Dean and AK talk we are going to see how uh probably the two leaders met largely for personal interest. But then you see uh that Trump wanting that raproima man with Putin or Russia yet having a huge impact on India. We're talking about the 50% threat tariff. How can you be wanting uh a relationship with Russia yet blaming India diplomatically or economically for buying uh uh Russian oil? Let's try to uh understand the the the concept of
24:09 white washing in diplomacy taking this clear example of uh US Russia and India and even other actors present in the situation. Thank you uh madam for this perspective on India uh India's effectuh on this. You see uh by the way this meeting of Trump and Putin happened on 15th August which happens to be India's independence day also. So we were also celebrating that our independence day also and looking forward optimistically to the result of this. However, uh somehow uh
24:56 it's not clear how how come India gets punishment uh if uh China is buying more oil from Russia uh than India and uh Trump is getting cozier to China but uh uh being very harsh in statements also and through tariffs also on India. So I think I don't think this is justifiable or uh right thing uh for to be done to India uh in this context. However, what I feel is that uh it is uh the trade agreement that is in pipeline which is uh in the mind of President
25:41 Trump. uh so that all these things are just as a pressure tactics to uh come out with a favorable trade agreement with India and USA. So uh that may be one of the reasons but uh uh in the larger interest government has welcomed the uh whatever outcome has been of Alaska summit and hoped for that uh it will result into a uh blasting peace through dialogue and diplomacy. So uh that is India's stand on this but uh there is lot to be seen in the uh near future. Absolutely. Uh lasting peace and
26:27 diplomacy. I'm staying with you uh professor uh Jakisha. Uh we know that uh when when we come come to uh probably talking about India's diplomacy, we were we are looking at the policy of non-alignment. we are looking at the policy of uh multilateralism among others or even alignment with the the global south nations uh with the present states looking at the the US position on India let's try to analyze how this is going to affect India's uh uh you know unique uh diplomatic standing uh pening uh the global assault uh multilateralism and even uh you know the non-alignment policy.
27:15 Yeah. Uh I would like to uh start with uh a new theory of AI. So we are in the age of AI but here uh what I'm talking is not of artificial intelligence but AI in a different form. Earlier what we have seen the world was having AI alliances of ideologies. So all the alliances were based on ideologies that was AI but presently now the AI has turned to become alignment of interests. So uh alignments based on shared interests. So that is the way we are seeing in the whole world and uh you see India is part of quad also and India is
28:04 having deal with Russia also. India talked to Ukraine also. India talked to Russia also and India is now posing up its relationship with uh all bricks countries uh and uh global south. So uh there's multilateralism in operation whether tariffs are there or not but tariffs have helped uh in bricks countries coming uh fast together. So uh that is one outcome of these tariffs is there. But I think uh what we are discussing is uh the war and this uh war uh is uh creating lot of uh casualties
28:50 in Ukraine and and as we see in Gaja also and this is something that must stop. So India will always try to use its diplomatic powers uh for uh bringing uh people or waring people on the negotiating table and uh help in whatever way it is possible. But yes we are uh in the world that is uh having alignments based on interests. Mhm. And that that actually summarizes the concept of for uh diplomacy you know it's about communication strategic communication and dialogue uh that suits the interest of nations ladies and
29:36 gentlemen and of course we are on this platform analyzing the uh effect of this summit between USA and uh Russia and how is affecting contemporary standing of diplomacy. uh do you share the same perspective uh uh din with professor professor jd this uh patterning the definition of AI in line with uh the contemporary uh issue that we are dealing with at this particular moment. if you uh can elaborate more on the uh the the Arctic or you know developing uh the uh the belling uh uh trade channel in uh between in Alaska between uh uh Trump and uh Putin or probably USA and
30:23 Russia. Hello Jane, please we can I I I can agree with with professor Grety on the whole question of that we've moved to uh from alliance of ideologies to alliance of interest and let's look at the whole question of interest and in in the sphere of diplomacy and we see that many of these conflicts uh are not I mean let's take the the uh
31:09 tariff question uh this is not for me this is not in the interest of the United States not just from the standpoint of the diplomatic uh and and the effect is as on bilateral relations and and the economies, but it's not going to accomplish what what uh Trump wants to accomplish, which is to resurrect the industrial manufacturing capacity of the United States. It is beyond tariffs at this point. What the United States has to do is engage in a new perspective of cooperation
31:54 in the development of the world at this point. And I bring up the bearing straits as an example because if you look at the world in over the next 50 years, I believe there are two areas that are basically frontier areas. Uh one of course is Africa. Sure. And uh Africa is going to become more and more unified. It's going to it's going to be able to exert tremendous influence uh globally diplomatically when it regains its strength and as far as I'm concerned become the the world's next China and become the the fifth
32:42 superpower so to speak. Uh the other area of course is the Arctic and uh the Arctic is is highly rich in resources. It's a transport artery and it's a area where the US can engage in actual concrete economic cooperation with Russia. And if you build this tunnel, you're building a a a railroad connection that potentially will go from Cape Town to Bonazaras via the Bearing Straits. And that's a vision that the Schiller
33:27 Institute has been uh promoting for several decades now. And if the we find the US cooperating in that type of activity with Russia, I think this will affect US relations with other parts of the world in a in a positive light in a more positive way. Uh because the United States is not going to re-industrialize through tariffs. is going to re-industrialize through investment in high technology in its infrastructure etc. And the financial outlook of this administration
34:13 because particularly concerning cryptocurrencies is totally insane and it's going to lead to a to a financial crisis. And that's the real weak link in uh in in Trump's policy. And either when when the situation, the financial system gets worse, it's going to either push Trump in a direction that I was talking about previously or into a direction that could be could actually be dangerous. So, let me just stop there and we can go on. Absolutely. Coming back subsequently
34:59 uh to you Dean as we continue to uh decoder the uh very compelling issues of Machina the uh global diplomacy in contemporary society and uh we actually following up the conversation with you. Ashil Iki. Uh when you listen to to toin, you you heard him saying that Africa actually will be uh the the main player in the the next uh 50 years. Of course, they're trying to to show how uh the the the dynamics or the shifting uh dynamics will affect Africa positively. But then it's often said that when you do not master or maybe uh know that you
35:44 have a competitive uh scope or advantage, it is very difficult to actually make good use of it when the opportunity presents itself. Uh taking still the the recent uh uh historic meeting that met with uh you know much uh uh zest and anxiety. uh we know that South Africa and other countries in Africa uh actually are already actually suffering from some of those uh uh diplomatic decisions or maybe let call let us call it uh strategic decisions taken by the Trump administration. We're talking about the traies on South Africa and then uh the uh the call by Trump uh in uh you know
36:32 recently to ensure that he imposes hard or tough uh stances on countries having greater alignment with uh the uh the bricks block. So how can we again understand Africa's position in contemporary uh uh diplomatic uh uh you know um let me call it competition or maybe maneuvering. I think that's that's that's very that's a very interesting question that you're asking um Claris because um Africa it when we look at the continent today the mindset is shifting tremendously and it's scaring a lot of the developed uh
37:19 countries because in their mind Africa you know was designed to be um the the only the place where we go they can go and get raw materials for free pretty much for and uh so that uh um that continent could never develop and uh they don't want Africa to industrialize because doing so will um uh you know reduce their markets uh the you know and and and then put put too much competition on their companies because Africa has the n the the natural resources the raw materials right under under it so they don't have to travel and buy those raw materials at expensive prices. So we have it you know on our
38:05 soil. So if we industrialize definitely so many things that we're going to be producing are going to be cheap and with the young generation that is that is um you know all over the continent today uh they are eager to consume to consume products made in Africa and they are tired of all these poisonous products coming from Europe and and United States because u we we know there are so many so many uh things that u have come to Africa to to really destroy the the the the population there. We've seen all these AIDS, all these uh uh COVID and this malaria that that no one wants to to to find a solution for. Uh all these
38:50 lobbies, you know, in Congress here that are always preventing u any solutions coming from Africans, you know. So, so they everybody understands today that Africa uh European countries in the solar countries don't want Africa to to be um to develop or to be a a society that is uh competitive with European economy and and western economy. So um it this is going to be an important step for Africans today uh knowing that um they have to uh get themselves involved in the matters of the world and and uh staying on the side is no longer an option. And so we see different countries in Africa now, you know,
39:37 Sahelian countries, uh, South Africa, uh, Nigeria, you know, the northern part of the continent. There's so many things that are being put in place nowadays to um you know to to to to let's say to be frustrated be a little bit um uh to reorient let me put this word you know diplomatic way to reorient uh the economies so that it's not too dependent on um on on on US and western countries let's put that way and we know that the leadership in Africa is still the problem um because many of these leaders are uh subjected to pressure from you know western countries and then they they they don't have uh
40:24 the the the will or the of the or the power to um to uh to make their own decisions for their people. So it's easy for Trump to pick up the phone call to pick up the telephone and call whoever um you know in Africa and tell them hey we need to do business with you. For example, I heard recently that Trump wants to do business with the silent countries, you know, the the the three silent countries, Nijia, Mali, and Bkino Paso. But he's in return, he's asking for uh uh minerals from those countries. And so look at this type of pressure that they put on these countries. The same pressure that they put in in on India and on China, they want to put that on poor country that are suffering through this terrorism war that are
41:09 partly financed by uh by by you know those networks from George Soros and all those and others that are financing those those those organizations uh to keep the country to keep the continent from uh keep it from from really growing and and then making its own decision and and and being sovereign countries as they they should be. So we know all that stuff. So Africa has to find a way to navigate through all these u uh difficulties and create a strong partnership with um you know the brick country that are uh you know very open-minded that are very uh supportive of Africans uh af Africans plight and uh they are open to doing business with those countries provided that you know we don't sit you know sit and and then
41:56 uh and wait for people to come to us. We have to do our part. We have to go out there and fight and you know in the same the same way that other countries are fighting so we can have our voices heard. We can have our will heard and uh this is something that has to be ongoing in order for Africa to come out of the situation that it's in right now because we have a young generation that is really really really looking for jobs. They want to consume. They are they are very they are very uh let me say they are very interested in in producing their own you know uh you know industrial products um you know crops whatever the situation may be but the the resources are very limited the
42:42 financial the financing is very limited and the conditions that are given to those countries to finance the economies are very limited and so there is a big paradigm shift that needs to happen there is a revolt you know that needs to happen on the continent so that they can liberate themselves but they're going to need the help of of Russia, China and the w countries to leverage in order for them to leverage those relationship with Greeks to free themselves from uh the situation they in right now. Talking about revolt, Ashil Aki, can we say there is need for strong mental revolt? Because when we look at Africa at this present society, uh we feel like uh if there is you you you quite mentioned that there is need for a paradigm shift
43:29 at every level. But then when we go again to the preamble of diplomacy, it's about interest of states. And with all that you have highlighted, I will stay with you to to have your your perspective on how Africa can uh you know uh overcome the diplomatic challenges that the country continent uh is facing at this particular moment. uh to note, Trump is with the uh uh you know the mega uh policy making America great again and uh we have all agreed in in a uh very opponenting uh statements that meeting Putin was largely for the interest of the United States and not particularly uh Ukraine or even for uh
44:14 the the European Union or other NATO members. So now let's try to to to understand uh Trump's position you know using uh diplomatic mannering to to you know to to have a repression with Russia and then still being against Russia indirectly by uh uh imposing tariffs on India. I think uh that is uh quite clear to those who you know have a clearer understanding of the uh the situation at stake. Let's bring us now to how African countries are engaging in their diplomatic affairs be it with the Brits nation. Are they actually putting the
45:00 interest of the continent first or probably it's due to you know u shifting alliances uh living from the west to uh probably to the brick nations or or uh thinking holistically. Do you think majority of of them are thinking you know practically uh within Africa or having a holistic view regarding the end goal of the BRICS nations? Well, this is important as you know because the the issue in Africa is leadership for most and foremost I think the the the issue that we have we have leaders that are still living in colonial times. you know they are still behaving as you know leaders that were put in place by colonial masters to
45:47 serve you know the the the will of those masters and so in order for us to change completely we are 55 countries 54 countries it's going to take time it's going to have to require new leaderships and we see that with the silent countries you know when leaders are able to take courageous decision join together be united you know unite themselves in the case of silent country they they created a confederation right so that they can they can combine their force because you know taken taken individually they're very weak individually they are very very weak so when they join their forces you know uh then they become very powerful and and so they can have serious partners that want to do business with them to to to support their needs to support their
46:34 their the building of their economy of the military of of the the the weapons that they need to fight those terrorists and and so that's the that's the blueprint accord you know from from my perspective for Africa to be able to fight and then to have it voice heard because taken individually those small countries you got countries that have 800,000 people 2 million people 1 million people here and there and we have we absolutely we we cannot and then we go to those summit we have these summits that we go to all the time you know France Russ France Africa summit you got USA, Africa, so many you got Russia, Africa, so many China. When do we go? We go there without any concrete plan, any any resolution, any strategy. You know, we go there very uh
47:21 you know, everybody goes there with his own solicitation, his own needs. But we don't have a a a meeting where we get together as a union, as the African Union for example, and put together a strategy that we going to deploy in in those meetings so that we can get the the the the result that we expecting. So what so that's why I'm saying the blueprint that we see what's happening inside those three silent countries is a very important blueprint for Africa to copy because that's the way to you know we all remember uh I think was September you know a year or two years ago when uh uh uh Echoas wanted to attack Nijer and and all of a sudden um you know Mali and Bkina said if you attack Nijer you
48:06 attacking all of us and guess what they backed down. They backed down completely and so up to you know until today they they they're completely in disarray with that project and France was behind it you know and so we all know that stuff. So so it's it's it's be it behooved our you know our leaders to really figure out how to work together in unity and then put together strategies to defend you know the the you know this to defend what's important to them. you know in in our case we want we want to have uh the means to develop our countries. We we don't want to dominate anybody. We don't want anybody to be uh you know to feel like okay we are we're taking away their strategic interest or we are taking away something
48:51 from them. No, we just want to organize our society. We haven't had a chance to organize society in several hundred even more years since you know slavery started and colonization and new colonization you know is keep happening today we haven't have a chance to organize our society all the constitution that we have there colonial constitutions everything that we eat everything that we do it's coming from abroad and so we haven't have a chance to sit down together and then breathe breathe heavily and say okay where are we when is the last time we met together and organized our societies so since since that time we haven't had so so we need to have that possibility of doing that and in order for us to give us uh
49:37 to give us the opportunity to to to to to to organize ourselves and to to structure our economies we need the backing the support of powerful countries that breaks you know to come and support us give us the opportunity you know the weapons Because everything here looks like it's military. The people only understand the the language of force. If we have terrorists that are being sent financed by western countries cuz those terrorists, they don't come out of nowhere. All right? They have so much money. There's so much money that being used to fund those terrorists to buy them bicycles and and and all kind of stuff and weapons. You got, you know, people who have drones today. All the ties have drones today. It's it's insane. So, so that means we need to up
50:22 our our our game. We need to uh think strategically now instead of thinking emotionally and thinking that, oh, they're going to be they're going to they're going to be very sorrow for our pride and they're going to help us. No, they're not going to do that. So, it's time for us to understand that we need to fight. We need to get united and fight the western. So, that's the language they understand. Until we do that, we are going to be in the same situation. Absolutely. It's about understanding the rules of uh the the game to ensure that uh you can have your own competitive advantage and from what you have said Ashki uh we can actually say that the leadership in Africa has a real doubting tax to be able to maneuver this uh
51:08 diplomatic uh trajectory that is becoming more and more complex in contemporary uh society. Uh and uh we are going again to meet you uh Dean. Uh while looking at uh the uh the meeting between Trump and Putin uh and accepting now that uh uh the the the the conclusion which you actually arrived at that it was largely to talk about Russia uh USA ties. Let's look at how improve ties between uh let me call it the Trump administration and the Russian Federation for the next four years. Uh Vat Trump is at the helm of affairs in the United States of America. How this
51:54 can alter the geopolitical uh dynamics of country uh of Ukraine and even countries in the European Union. your your microphone. I agree 100% with Professor Au and uh and uh but you know the US is also facing the same forces. The British Empire, the French Empire continue to exist and is called the international western financial system. And at this point, it's even more
52:41 powerful than the United States at this point because of course Trump doesn't understand this. But that is the problem in the United States. You know, you had a president before World War II and during World War II called Franklin D. Roosevelt and he took over the country when it was in the deepest depression and it was in the depression because the American and the international financers at that time brought it into a depression and he attacked those forces. He reorganized the banking system. uh he called it the glass deagle system where they divided the banks so the banks
53:27 could not engage in huge speculation where you had commercial banks and investment banks. Commercial banks got guarantees for their their depositors but they could not speculate and the investment banks therefore did not have the resources to engage in the type of speculation they're doing now. That system has ended. completely. It started with with uh particularly with with uh uh Nixon when he he basically took the US off the gold standard and ended the the uh the bread and wood system as it had existed up until that time. Mhm. And
54:12 and uh and what what in 1999 the glass eagle actually even earlier was totally eliminated and you had your super banks and you had a a financial system that was nothing more than than a huge international casino and that all collapsed in 2008. And it should have been reorganized again in terms of this bank separation, but it wasn't. It was bailed out by the printing presses of the EU countries and particularly the United States. And that's that's what we're facing with now. And the the bricks are struggling
54:58 with this this problem. And you know, the bricks are the future of this planet. And this is the paradigm shift in a certain sense you know the train has left the station with the bricks. This has you know replaced in a certain sense the align not align movement the group of 77 the uh the south commission etc. And it's not going to stop but it continues to be undermined by this western financial system. So what my colleagues in the United States are doing politically is promoting this this necessary financial reform which we
55:44 call bank separation or the reimplementation of of the glass deagle act to to break the power of these banks. That's one thing. Now I said the problem we have two problems. one is this is actually more powerful than than the United States and the United States if it's committed to changing needs allies and the main ally would be the main allies will be Russia and China and I think if if you have a a productive relationship developed between the United States and Russia and these ideas being brought into the
56:30 discussion among them. I think we can begin to see that change because once you get you get China, Russia and the United States and India will soon join. I think this this tariff question is untenable and and India is too big a country, too powerful an economy uh to be pushed around like this and they should join in with the other three countries and with the bricks with particularly what is developing in Africa. we can actually eliminate
57:16 this uh the whole IMF World Bank system the the whole Washington consensus and uh that's that's my view very imperative and uh I I think uh in the subsequently I'm going to uh bring back uh the question to you Ashki from the economic perspective to throw more light but before that Let's go to meet professor uh Jagdesh uh this time around looking at some uh strategical or geostrategic questions pertaining uh the outcome of the Alaska summit and how it is affecting the the balance of power uh shifting between uh uh uh let's say the
58:02 United States of America, Russia and uh even Europe in the context of the Ukraine crisis. Uh we are aware that uh in spite of the summit, we saw the European Union very uh uh defiant and bent on ensuring that uh they will continue to impose sanctions on the Russian Federation and actually did not actually uh uh some somehow uh give an option of re reviewing their their strategic position on the crisis. So let's look at how this is uh you know somehow affecting the balance of power in uh between Russia, USA, Europe and
58:48 why not even uh countries uh of the global south. Yeah, thank you ma'am. Uh you see uh Europe is in a very uh difficult situation now as I see because uh you see uh they want to be involved in any negotiations on Russia Ukraine crisis but uh they feel they are being taken for granted and uh moreover what is happening is that Russia is batting among the 14 and uh division between uh west western countries on this issue. Europe is even
59:35 all European countries though they rush to white house for meeting and all that but they are not on the same page while UK and France uh they are ready to send even their troops and uh help Ukraine with weapons also but other countries they are not on the same page on for this they don't want to get involved militarily into this conflict moreover Europe's interests are tied with the security of Europe uh Ukraine also. So they they want to be a part of it. Now you see NATO it is it suits NATO that the conflict goes on and they always talk about ceasefire. they don't uh say
1:00:22 it as a peace agreement and there's a positive shift in Trump's concept from ceasefire to peace agreement that he's now advocating. Now you see NATO is buying uh mega weapon deals and also mega contracts for reconstruction and same is the case with USA also after the war is over. So uh their interests are there and uh but I'm I would like to uh remind uh uh all of us that uh in February 1945 while the second world war was about to finish there was ala conference between
1:01:08 Joseph Estallion of Soviet Union, Franklin Roosevelt of US and uh Winston Churchill prime minister of UK And the whole map of Europe was redrawn. Boundaries were changed. The eastern block was handed over to Soviet occupation and the Poland was dismembered. All these things were done without involving any of the affected countries. Even Charles Dal of which led who led French revolution, French victory, he was also not invited to this Yalta conference. So there there are fears in Europe that are with Trump putin
1:01:54 summit are we going towards the same uh era where uh the boundaries are decided somewhere else and the concern are not even invited or included in the uh discussion. So that's why Europe wants to be part of it. Uh any discussion and I feel that any peace uh agreement cannot be agreed upon unless you involve Russia, unless you involve Ukraine and also uh Europe European Union. So there has to be a by uh uh meeting of all the concern to agree to a plan for uh peace
1:02:40 agreement. Yeah. Not only involving these countries but also putting into consideration the emerging uh global powers. uh we cannot actually uh undermine the presence of uh China uh India or even generally the uh countries of the global south and how uh they are actually affecting the uh uh the power dynamics in the global world ladies and gentlemen if you are just tuning in versus global insight in conjunction with Globus and we are here today evaluating or decoding the outcome of the Alaska summit between Trump and Putin and how uh this is actually affecting the diplomatic uh trajectory
1:03:26 or you know uh principles of international relations. What can we learn from this? and how can it actually uh uh reposition Ukraine and other countries uh uh in the European Union who are actually suffering uh already from the the uh the outcome of the the the Ukraine crisis to re reveal their their position or proxy position threatening uh the world given that the meeting between Trump according to some pundit actually presented to the global world that it is not actually for the benefit of Ukraine but actually for the uh uh the benefit of Trump and it's the the US relationship with Russia and that
1:04:12 brings us again to understanding that diplomacy it's all about dialogue interests and communication that meets primarily the interest of a nation before uh going holistically to see how in uh dealing with other countries uh they can together uh work towards attaining set objectives. Uh just to note that we are also running live on YouTube at narrative shift and also Facebook narrative shift. You can always join us online. Share your perspective, your views of what you think regarding the analysis coming from our esteemed uh panel of experts and of course questions that you think are pertinent and which they can also answer in line with our
1:04:58 topic for discussion. uh this day looking at two major world powers uh Russia, the USA, Trump doing everything possible to ensure that uh the country maintains its hegeimony but then how possible is that and it brings us again to another strategic question with you uh Ashil Ek we saw already uh the the outcome and Russia's position did not change uh from uh the points uh uh uh Vladimir Putin had actually uh brought forth regarding the the the the if should Ukraine and uh and Russia come to the negotiation table uh to put an end to the crisis the points actually should be respected. Now
1:05:47 let's look at how this meeting actually strategically positioned Putin not just in Russia but in the global world. We we quite aware that uh he has been uh issued an arrest warrant and uh we saw the meeting that came and held in Alaska and Putin went back of course to to Moscow. So what how did this strategically uh position uh Russia especially considering all of these uh uh you know challenges uh let me see pertaining his uh uh involvement with other countries uh that are parties to the party to the international
1:06:32 criminal court and also some global elites in line with uh uh their views on the special military operations till I'm gay. Well, this this condemnation or this uh decision by the international you know court against Putin, we know this it was political, right? So, it's really not there's no substance behind it. It's the west trying to um you know punish or humiliate you know President Putin. And so, uh, when they saw President Trump, you know, roll the red carpet at the airport in in in, uh, in Alaska, uh, you know, and and then greet him himself and and with all the the bells and whistles.
1:07:20 It was it was disheartening for them. It was dis I laughed at it because it's really something that they looked at it. They said, I can't believe it. So you cannot be hating somebody so much and then your best friend the guy that you think is going to be your he can protect you you know you know in any circum circumstances and then he he welcomes that that that that foe of yours you know in his country with all the bells and whisters red carpet and and and and and everybody is is is happy you know to see uh you know the the situation evolve or change you know that's Why they they they are so in a in a difficult in difficult pickle you know those European countries they don't know what to do
1:08:06 they are confused they are you know they don't know what to do because they are looking for United States to continue to fund this war to finance this war you know and and different countries in Europe have different interests but overall um their interest is Africa and the reason you know from my analysis that we see all this happening. France is trying to he's a he's he's the one that's pushing for war war. You know, accusing Russia of of of of trying to invade Europe in the next, you know, few few years, you know, all these stuff that they they're making they're making up it. It's not working. All the sanctions, the thousands and thousands of sanctions that they've they they put
1:08:51 on on Russia, it's not working. They also try to put sanction on his president, it's not working. So what are they left doing just you know it's just a pity to to watch them confused uh you know as as Mr. Mr. Andro miners said earlier, you know, maybe France is going to go to the IMF IMF, which is expected because his economy is in in free fall, you know, and so when when we when we when we see all these, they they don't want to face the real public in in Europe, they don't want to face the public in Europe, you know, the lies that they propagated for the past few years about this conflict. They don't want to face the reality. They don't want the war to continue. At least it gives them breathing room to escape
1:09:36 accountability from their people. You know, Europeans are going to be mad because they went through co they went through all kind of you know situations and you know this war was a total lie from the beginning. Uh and so the the the you know the journalists have been in prison the the media has been has been cut off uh so that they only hear one voice. So the population in Europe only hears one voice and one voice only their their leaders voices and so far you know it hasn't panned out. You know the result is it's a it's is it's it's abysmal. It's abysmal. It's it's a disaster. you know whether whether we talk about economy whether we talk about um finance whether we talk about uh politics you know uh human rights even in Europe human rights is a problem
1:10:22 today in Europe you know and and it's so in every aspect you know let's you know don't even talk about the economy the growth it's the growth had disappeared you know Germany who used to be the locomotive the the the the the you know the big economy in Europe it's it's completely in a situation where it it it doesn't know where it's where to go, what to do. It's confused, completely confused. You know, they have no more easy oil that they were, you know, cheap oil they were getting from Russia, cheap gas getting from Russia. No, United States came in and imposed, you know, forced them to buy, you know, you know, US oil, uh, you know, and and US gas. So they are buying those those those products at at three or four times the
1:11:09 price they used to pay when they were using when they were buying from Russia. And in on the contrary Russia's econom economy has been strengthening because the minute they stop buying Russia's oil hey other countries you know took their place India took the place China is even more interested in buying more and more and more oil from Russia. So what are they going to do to to to to prevent those countries from buying oil and you know they they always try to put you know our President Trump in a situation where he is going to try to protect them defend their cause but the cause is lost. There is no more cause in Ukraine. We know the fact we know the reality on the ground. So there is no way they can win. So I think uh economically those
1:11:56 European countries are going to be in a in a very difficult position in the next in the near future and in the meantime um you know BRICS countries are are evolving they're growing you know in terms of membership you know they're about 40% of the GDP of the world today in terms of economy in terms of the share of the economy today compared to uh you know 30% from so G7s so they are growing tremendously and so in in Africa also So it's it's part of it's joining you know slowly but uh you know uh uh consistently uh certainly they're going they they're joining bricks and the bricks are pro you know they I I have I have a feeling that they have a need to protect Africa from these predators from the west because they they see that we
1:12:42 know we cannot have a country or continent that has so many resources you know but it's it's it's always very the poorest continent on the planet. It doesn't make sense. Something is wrong with that that picture. Something is wrong. But for European, they don't they don't seem to bother about that. You know, it's not a problem for them. Especially France. France is really a very despicable country. They don't they have they talk about human rights. They talk about the the the country of of human rights or whatever. They human rights only comes when it's it's the people from their their their origins, not other people, not people from different origins. No. And that's a coral mentality. You know, it's very funny to hear Macron accuse Russia of of colonial of being a colonial power today. It's it's a laughable thing when we hear all
1:13:28 that stuff and we think, "Wow, this is this is unbelievable." So, the reason the Europeans are pushing for more wars is because they don't want accountability from their people and they feel like without Africa, they can't grow, they can't grow the economy. And so uh it's it's the only option is to uh uh you know push whatever is going to happen, push back whatever is going to happen and try to you know uh escape accountability. But you know sooner or later it's going to happen. The chicken is going to come home to roost and the world is watching and looking at how it in uh event unfold and how this is going to uh continue to change the world uh the the new world order or lead
1:14:14 us to the new world order. Uh in the same perspective uh wanting to share Mr. a case of viewpoints with you Dean maybe uh using different words but then we are still on the the the aspect of the EU leaders you know you know Trump has been very uh uh you know outspoken on the position of the EU leaders and even uh to Ukraine's president uh Zalinski I quite remember him saying uh to Zalinski it is difficult to defeat a country that is uh about 15 times larger than yours if uh actually I'm I'm not making a mistake and also uh the fact
1:14:59 that it is difficult to win win this war. Now we want to look at how uh if actually EU members are conversent with the present changes marking the the the the international lines. Professor Jakish said that uh towards the end of the the second world war I I think uh there was another conference that actually uh you know sat people sat and decided on how they can draw the map of Europe. We are in the 21st century. New powers are coming up. new ideologies and even the existing ideologies are being challenged by the new realities that we have along lines of politics, diplomacy,
1:15:45 international relations and even geopolitics. And we are also very keen and seeing with the uh the shifting alliances happening this uh uh along these uh corridors. Now the question is with these shifting alliances causing you know somehow potent potential rift, how can nations especially in Europe strategically position themselves to protect interest since diplomat is all about interest in an increasing multipolar society. Dane, the question is for you. The question is directed to Dane,
1:16:31 please. It seems Okay. Yes. Okay. I'm unmuted. Well, yeah. I mean, the question is, how do you define interests? What are the interests of Europe? What are the interests of of countries? I mean, yeah. The founder of my publication, Lyndon Larouche, who I learned to know 50 years ago as a very young man and he was also a young man at that time was at the center of of interest of any country of any region of of this planet is the development of the creative potential of the individual human being. That's the center of any that's the
1:17:17 measure of any economy and that's the measure of of relations between countries and the and the let's talk about harmony of interest a term that was used created by a an American economist in the 19th century named Henry Carry and the harmony of interest is to find those that interest like the interest between Europe and Africa, right? Of course, for the Europeans, for France and England, it's, you know, it's a zero zero sum game, you know, zero for Africa and sums for for Europe. But the reality is what is the strength of of Europe at this
1:18:04 point economically and the strength is actually in the machine the machine tool sector of Germany, Switzerland, Austria, France, Northern Italy and for instance I was talking with a not talking but I was looking at a German company called S SMS SM uh group and this company actually produces steel mills. It doesn't produce steel but it produces steel mills. It produces the technology for the factories. Mhm. Now Europe should not be so much
1:18:49 interested in continuing to produce steel or cars or even airplanes because anyone can any country can do this now almost. But not any country can produce machines of the type that would go into a steel mill. And this is ideal for Africa. Germany, Europe could have a uh an economic revival industrializing Africa. These these companies can build steel mills and they're doing it. This country SMS group is they have an office in South Africa. They they're working in Uganda and other countries on steel mills. And that's that's the
1:19:36 that's the that's what should be the common interest. There's another example is Zemens. You know, Zemens produces produces high-speed trains. It produces uh gas turbines for generating uh electricity. And they have a tremendous relationship with Egypt. They're building a high-speed train there. And they built in 30 months they built three gas fired power stations the largest in the world. Each one was 4.8 gawatt. That almost doubled the electricity capacity of Egypt in uh in less than in 2 and 1/2
1:20:21 years. and the and the Egyptians have in fact since then and that these plants were finished in I think 2015 they increased it by another 20 uh gigawatts and this is what the European country should be doing and this is what what rather than you know putting tariffs on you know quite frankly low tech uh exports from places like Africa and other places uh they should be looking towards this type of perspective and find a harmony of interest in terms of of their economic cooperation. Now I think a lot of the business people
1:21:08 in Europe, the industrialists, the real the serious industrialists uh would be open to this perspective. And the problem we have as our friend so so well put it. I mean the the political class in in the major countries here in Europe are hopeless. uh they they they're like actors, you know, because they they they can't no none of them can think through a policy. They have their adviserss and their adviserss are, you know, they're trained in these institutes uh and uh they're totally dependent on their adviser and they come in well what should I say today? This is what politics is in in Europe.
1:21:56 And I think we're going to find uh and it's already happening. You have, you know, they, everyone likes to call them the uh, you know, the populists and whatnot, and some of them are not the aren't the nicest people, but what they do reflect is, you know, a simmering revolt in the population against, you know, the current political class, you know, similar to what we're seeing in uh in other countries. So I think this is what what we we should be doing is putting forward this type of of policy. Africans should be telling the the Europeans that you know we don't want you know low tariff so we can dump our goods. What we want is to
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