#217- Get the Popcorn (SPOILER-FREE Digimon Adventure 02: The Beginning & More!)

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9:53 hey guys we'll get started in just a minute here I do not know if AR Endeavor muted or unmuted cuz I you do audio settings AR say a few words and let's find out uh I was to with people listening with people listening with absolutely no context I looked it up Joe was actually fifth in that ranking so it's not as fun yeah don't worry we we'll get to that Sora was on the bottom you know it it's funny I remember as we were finishing up the show two weeks ago and musing on if we do an emergency fill in and I remember Dev going no there's no reason to we'll just do a super packed episode in two weeks and that's defin [ __ ] happening yeah I I've given serious thought to what phrasing I will use when we get distracted and I have to get just

10:38 go we need to be back on track cuz holy hell they went completely [ __ ] nuts the last two weeks we knew they were going to we did someone in chat confirm when you guys can hear that you can hear all three of us and then we will get started CU oh man they they to toy and Bai love a movie my favorite comment here is that I put koshiro 7th but my comment on it was account skimming Securities frog and hacking government installations are only crimes if you're sloppy oh [ __ ] okay you can hear us all you guys ready to go yes okay need to need to stret need to prepare it stretch here one second welcome to the witho podcast

11:25 we're here to entertain inform of it while talking about Digimon I'm Mark with Will and produce Digimon on Blu-ray I'm AR pver from Digimon system restore I get to say that again I'm Dev q and I'm here to be gay and do crime I like how Dev had the perfect setup to advertise for wikimon and she chose not to nah also I like I like I like that one better it it was better I thought she'd go for it and then I could set up the joke I had ready to go which I'm going to use anyways so Dev do it I pulled up an an article on wikimon about teron and I was like I wonder how much information wikimon has about teron actual like synopsis type stuff it's two

12:11 it's like two lines one for adventure verse one for Tamers iron someone's partner ironically someone in the with the will Discord was asking about Star Trek at the same time and I pulled up a clip to show them of a funny moment and I went huh I wonder if this is mentioned on Memory Alpha the Big Star Trek Wiki so I looked it up four paragraphs on the USS lollipop a fake madeup ship that appeared in one line of dialogue God damn a single line of dialogue for a fake ship meant to meant to find out if someone's real or in AI has more information than terriermon yeah but it's not like terer Mon's made any meaningful contributions

12:57 to the franchise he wore a lab coat one time no oh yeah you gota yeah you need a whole I think you need a four paragraphs on that alone just like the two paragraphs on adventure Tamers it's it's fine but no you need a dis you need a dis before we get before we get to the news apocalypse let's first go over something that the news has not finished coming in yet where I've put together an article it's I've tweeted about it and made one or two possibly inappropriate jokes about it which no one has found them inappropriate which makes them funnier uh jenada who's Joe and TR and kazuna has been arrested for banking fraud haha now now I should point this out we did get further information at

13:44 least part of the story was him dressing up as a cop and like going to houses and taking people's bank cards and [ __ ] oh and when I say that's part of the story apparently they have actual like video footage of him doing this that's way sexier than normal fraud well I should point out his most famous role is him being a pirate and that's literally I hope he get to keep that that's literally the maybe inappropriate joke I made on Twitter was right after he got arrested I just did this his most famous role is playing a pirate I'm not saying another word on that subject so at some point I may write an

14:30 article I'm kind of like sitting and waiting to see like cuz like we found out not because of a police reporter information his agency put out a press release dropping him saying he was arrested they haven't talked to him directly but they're reasonably sure what's going on and then like a few other placers like we don't have the details yet we're waiting to hear because we haven't heard from him because it he's at it's at that stage of prison where they aren't letting him call out my getting a lawyer so it's sort of so sort of systems weird yeah so all we can say is this uh M older Joe arrested for bank fraud younger Joe has multiple Herms and is

15:16 famous for it so we can so and of course Masami kikuchi's back playing Joe again in the game so we get to make that the teni and thousand other Harum jokes and then let us move on from aada in The Slammer to good God I need to get a drink and Clear My Throat before we start cuz Jesus Christ they I thought that I thought that good God was about The Seekers chapters uh you know how they're actually like vaguely interesting uh well they're all they're they're always vaguely interesting this was the um this was the dramatic moment that was told in such an understated way that it almost took all of the punch out

16:02 of it so 3-6 good character stuff way too much exposition of bit and 3-6 also Winks it [ __ ] a bit too much for me oh yes 3-6 keep stopping to go eh like like even down to the Digimon Partners it's meant to give yeah it it's there's too much and then like also all these people are br I pay attention know each other talk to each other but no one can figure out how oh sa has the most trouble mind linking but she has the best Bond and she's also getting physically ill each time it happens and there's no oh there's no awareness of what that could mean or even

16:48 consideration in the story to it and the reason I call that winking is is we know why what it's going to lead to what it's leading to it's that because she has a better connection to it it's taking more out of her blah blah blah blah blah but the story is so disinterested in even it's trying to deliver the facts and not really focusing on the emotion emotional aspects yeah which is and the reason why it bothers me is there's no point to even having a flashback with sa if it's not going to be about emotion yeah one of the it's one of the issues is that this chapter this whole chapter is kind of in a Way Through The Eyes of Ulin who doesn't seem to me to be the

17:34 most sympathetic person not only that she hasn't really been written as an interesting character and even in the flashbacks she's not really written all that interesting the Fring she's she's the one watching the interesting character well here's the other weird part is is they don't and this isn't a translation thing as far as I can tell she's not even written consistent like she seems actually annoyed at them being the cute couple and then she stops to take a photo seemingly to send it to them later as whatever but you need some separation no see I like that moment but it feels like there needs to be at least a line of a bridge between the annoyance and doing it um you don't that's that's a it's a that's a cute writing thing

18:20 where it's like you're you're your actions betray your yes but it's with a character we have not gotten to know good enough to well this is the sort of thing that's supposed to give you information on a character like that told me told me J that moment told me more about UL ex here's the thing here's the thing it's a Ulin from years ago who may not exist anymore oh yeah of course we're not we have not gotten enough time with modern Ulin to decide is this where we're supposed to go oh the actual Ulin may still be in there in the future or has she become a completely different person it doesn't matter now theoretically It's a lazy story we know what it's going to be yeah but I would like to Imagine The Story doing it pro like here's the thing

19:07 so SE seven I don't like and I'm very happy the prologue stuff seems to be done it's too much it's been too much separation for me oh by the way this happened yeah yeah was rough it's too much no see I I like seven but it's there's at this point it's basically two months of separation from the story that's running roughly a year yeah yeah that's that's all accurate my my issue with seven is they really didn't hammer down on what is supposed to be a very dramatic moment but it's like so it's no it's after it's after the dramatic moment it was so te it it's also so telegraphed and so told

19:52 so unemotionally that I just like okay the thing we the thing we all expect expected to happen happened and there just wasn't any heart to it see I actually like this one more than some of the last few but you aren't wrong part of the issue is is this version of Ulin is meant to be very dispassionate I would guess is the way I would put it yeah and seeing it through her eyes skipping over the dramatic stuff means that we don't ever I I don't say this to be mean you need the gut punch of actually Lo of someone screaming for her as something's happening and here's the problem they don't want us to see anything so they can reveal whatever happened later this was told as if it

20:38 really W like some of the previous chap sessions in this chapter were told kind of in real time like the the like 36 was kind of told this is what's happening in this moment and it wasn't you kind of lose that it's a flashback 37 was told very much as it was a flashback and it really couldn't have because you really wanted to be in that moment like what is going on with them how are they freaking out about their lack of visibility and all that that's really like that's your moment to really try to scare us and and put that intensity into and here's the thing the entire reason they don't show it is it's going to be revealed it's X Y or Z and she's actually fine and blah blah blah blah blah but their conditions allow you to get away with that no I no

21:23 I know that's what I'm saying is yeah like you can you can still have in that moment and have that what I'm say what I'm saying is is they've made the actual writing choice of they don't want us to know anything at that moment now and then later they're going to do the here's what happened when what they what they what what they should what they should be doing and they tell us this which is what makes it work like you're saying we know from ul's perspective she was there she saw things go to [ __ ] but she did not actually see what happens you can and even then you can still no that's and get us more into the moment without

22:08 revealing the big revealing whatever surprise that's what I'm saying the people who were there outside of SAA they were there they were involved with it they did not see whatever happens they just see it going to hell they do not actually see whatever it is the writer has skipped to not show us yeah you could easily explain it's like a blurb no that's what I'm saying they could show it to us from her P they could show it to us from mulan's perspective and not reveal whatever it is she doesn't know anyways is where my issue is with it is yeah the characters who survived and here's the thing um what's Tardis I don't remember his name k uh Kos might know we don't know if he's

22:55 telling the truth because we don't have his perspective Ulen has no [ __ ] idea you could give us the entire thing from her perspective without revealing anything she does not know you could still get into more into what she's do no that's what I'm saying what's going through for her is she was there and that's weirdly where we should be seeing her so yeah we will see it appears we're back to the present I I'm I'm slightly off on if it's the present or if it's slightly before and it's meant to be a swerve and it's a different time she visited him I think it's the present though yeah I I think it's whenever the last the last time we saw that's what I

23:43 I I I I'm kind I'm kind of I'm kind of side eyeing it going this could be a year earlier and it's a swerve to tell us something else CA I ALS because I because here here because here's why I'm wondering this is deep chapter 3 does it really make sense to go back to the present when there's like few weeks left at most I think you can still do a little bit in the present no you're you're right but I I think I think having a you know flash forwarding just a little bit and you're only going to a year before that's just that's getting even that's getting too cluttered even for Seekers h i mean here's the thing we started off with an intermission chapter which should have just been I mean they they

24:30 could do it I'm saying that it's like if they don't want to dig dig themselves further into a grave they shouldn't they yeah they shouldn't I still weirdly keep going any given week it feels like this is going to pick up and hit right I know right like I still want to keep reading I still want to follow the that's like the thing like it is not a good story there's some interesting stuff the exposition is killer it it like I'm [ __ ] tired of it it kills my energy every time it keeps feeling like any given segment it would work like what was it the first segment of chapter 2 we were all ecstatic we're like holy [ __ ] we've turned the corner it makes s it's good and then the next week we're like ah [ __ ] there are flashes where this is showing a lot of potential it's just

25:17 just and then it just takes us in nuts and runs away I want to follow the story I don't want to read the story yeah it's weird I and and I I feel like some people have to have noticed at first it was like every time there was a segment I was reading it I was writing about it now it's like I'm writing about it the night before or the night of the podcast just just because like I can't get the energy to do it early because it feels like it's gonna be disappointing every time and that saddens me if I was to explain this to somebody I could make it sound like it's the greatest thing ever to be to be fair isn't that the whole stick where I get the really excited voice and

26:02 go with a lot of emphasis and then you got and then you guys and then and then you guys both go you're making the sound way more excited than it really was like when I used when I did that with ghost game a few times I guess but I mean I couldn't do that with ghost game but not with not with the whole story out there no I couldn't do that with ghost game I think I but with this but with this like I could just I could just have a very neutral description of and it would still like be really interesting yeah it it is interesting I just wish it was put together better and you're not disagreeing with that to be clear no no not at all no let's like just read like read a Wikipedia summary of this would be and you'd get you'd have a great time yeah and then we have a batch of official fan art on the site

26:49 and then I need to scroll down to check something that did not pop up last night as I went oh we we may be reaching the end end of them promoting this you know how I know as I scroll through the double check they did not put it up while I wasn't paying attention they did not put up the Tweet going hey there's a new batch of fan art last couple they didn't actually have no I know but but I'm saying it's such a lazy easy bit of promotion that if they're not even like putting up the generic tweets about it it it's kind of like I guess we are dangerously close to the end of a year uh I thought it started well it started yeah so five months also I don't know if they've been getting a whole lot

27:34 more fan art I have to imagine there's been enough like I'm seeing that that little I'm I've been seeing that little [ __ ] dog be posted with the hashtags I'm definitely seeing it not a lot I'm just saying that that that this is fine lugon is still seventh is still on the second row of the fan art so yeah I and I I mentioned that like a couple I mentioned that at least a month ago so I'm just well maybe they should have something in the story worth drawing for the the problem is is the only stuff worth drawing at this point they would not be posting I mean if you're going off of the fan art The Only Thing Worth drawing is lamon he hasn't been around lately also we we discussed we discussed

28:20 it last time just to point out they're definitely not married right like they they're still talking about fiance says after she's quote unquote dead I stopped thinking this two weeks ago I thought they were married in one of the flashbacks now we're specifically told he's her fiance and she van or she vanished and their fiance I don't care enough about Seekers to argue the War I care enough to try but let's move on to something more interesting dreamers so first up deimon gave himself a hand we get to see Drama Oh look of that was a Game of

29:05 Thrones level death I gotta say that that was great he makes him he makes him crush his own head uh so then we finish off the stuff from last chapter we get some drama wizardmon fighting we're getting more focused on plot and fighting which is interesting because that is not yuno's like signature thing but he does it really well yeah it was like this is visual gags more yeah these couple chapters like okay fine it's moving the moving the action along F then we then we get nice armor upgrade for the villain as you do he takes control of wizardmon then we get pulson powering up

29:52 at the end I love that we get the power up without the evolution as like cuz here's the thing regardless of what happens the Cliffhanger here is not Evolution even if it's Evolution it's just holy [ __ ] look at [ __ ] pulson yeah yeah and I believe there's only one chapter left that was published in Psycho jump so we could have very different dreamers publishing shortly because are they going to keep it weekly when they're doing this stuff or does it go monthly has he actually finished drawing it and it's just going to be like weekly for a month or two and that's it we don't know what yeah also I I assume 21 ended on some sort of a note I I didn't get far enough to we'll see know that I

30:40 forget we'll see but you we we'll know by the next actually we'll know before we record for the next normal show because the movie special is next week yeah and then movie stuff now I should point I should point out we did did the show last week and like we all were like okay we have the episode in two weeks do the movie stuff and I woke up and it was a very different day on Tuesday very different woke up and like because here's the thing I'm I think AR and Dev both know me enough to know I will track down anything I was never going to do something like so can you guys send me a screener you know I produced Digimon

31:25 that was never going to be something I did yeah I used to run a review site and the email's still active and I still and I still get PR messages there and one of the pr messages was like was you know like generic you know Digimon adventure0 to the beginning the sequel tus and blah blah blah and screeners are now available I'm like okay time to get out of bed I need to I need to read this because you know there's sometimes there's policies blah blah blah blah blah so I read it I'm like okay I will send a message if it's a no it's a no I'm not gonna whatever yeah so I do it I go I take a shower I clean up I come back out oh there's a response

32:11 I have a screener okay so I'm like I have I have work I need to finish I'm realistically not going to get to this for a few days I will just keep quiet I'm not going to say anything blah blah blah and then I'm doing stuff and I get a break for a few minutes and I'm like you know I can't do anything for Dev because she doesn't really have forward- facing stuff but exactly I'm a reck I wouldn't be left the [ __ ] alone but but I bet I could probably swing one I could get I could make contact for one person I'm like so AR I need to ask you a few questions and I'm sending him like weird questions going I'm seeing if I can get you a screener for the movie because I

32:57 know it will make it a bit easier for you I get oh yes absolutely I get I get the information for him and some of the things you're asking me like you know I'm not sure this is relevant I'm like I don't care if it's relevant or not I just need to show him you do stuff that you're not just that's not that's I still have an actual website with all of a whole bunch of yeah eight season digim so I linked that stuff I I sent it to the pr person you know my codes from the podcast has his own stuff blah blah blah blah blah and I you know tell at sent I go I may never get an actual response you may just get a response tomorrow a week from now five minutes from now I go off and do something and like 20 30 minutes later you have a response I got it like instantly too yeah well because because I believe I even said it appears

33:44 he's not busy yet so I'm trying to do this quickly yeah yeah so then some work got delayed and it's like ah [ __ ] It's like 7 or 800 p.m. I have nothing to do I will go ahead and watch the movie it's like you know will there ever be a chance in my life to watch a digimon dub before it's in theaters in Japan I'm watching the dub first because when is that going to happen so the movie is out in Japan we're not talking about spoilers here we have our episode next Monday with all three of us Jeff from pod digas um a few days later Jeff asked

34:33 something and I was able to get a screener for him so he could try to oh good he he asked me how I got mine and I told him to talk to you yeah yeah I believe he po I believe ID messag him about something separate and then he brought it up so he didn't just like he didn't just like poke me and go hey a screener no he it was he poked me he poked me first yeah um but but yeah so I got him it because I think he does the same thing you do where he will try to bring in a notepad oh yeah yeah it's not it s it sucks to try to do that so and like here's the thing you have a kid you're gonna go there with a notepad it's like if I can make it slightly easier for you it does I'm not taking my kid to that no I mean in the sense of you still have to

35:20 do stuff and then you're going to go to a movie and instead of relaxing and enjoying it you're going to be sitting there with the [ __ ] notepad the whole time it's going to be weird cuz I'm I'm going to have nothing it's going to be weird having nothing to do because I've already I watched the dub as well I've watched them I've watched it sub and dub now and I'm like oh I'm going to see this again I just have to sit back and admire it yeah the hell so movies out in Japan um let's go through this various junk first because God they went nuts um first up I think me and a we're not going to spoil anything we're not going to comment on the movie itself generically I really enjoyed it lot of flaws and a lot of strange choices I

36:07 still think it was a great movie I'm just I'm putting I'm just going to link the uh my review in the chat you I'm pretty sure you gave it an a I did give it an a it's it's it's an a I mean I remember that I try to keep the same scale of all digim so any A's are it's pretty easy to get an A with budget like that yeah um so I will I I will say this without you know still no spells everything the dub felt much more solid than kizut to me there's one or two miss things where the writing goes this is a weird Choice yeah watching it again dubbed I found a lot more issues there is the dub

36:54 itself felt much more solid than Kiza though though the actual quality of acting although weirdly Yoli sounded really weird to me in this one oh that's interesting I really liked Yoli in this I I don't know it seemed very it seemed very n like a natural sound so that's where so that's where the issue for me is is if we jump wherever I put that tab if we jumped to the English casting crew it's Tado who was Yoli in kiz where she sounded like she was doing a Yoli voice in that one but she's kind of not in this one yeah I I think she didn't try to be Tiffany Christen but she sounded really good no she does but that's what threw me off because I can hear the

37:39 voice you go that's jeie Tado who plays Yoli in the last movie doing an entirely different voice it's sort of like Tera sansari is a bit aged up here compared to what so that one throw me off sounded Ki sounded a little weird in this one which is strange because it is the same one from truna Brian Donovan aged up his Davis and it sounded great he did yeah he sounded fine Ken Von were exactly Kenan vmon yep um TK's TK's Johnny Young Bosch doing his slightly dispirited sort of voice where there's slightly less energy which I think works for TK but every time I hear it it's it really works for TK in this movie though because TK has a bit

38:25 more of a subdue and this is where this is where people go oh you don't have to watch her you don't but if you watch TK TK connects with try a lot in this one yes uh Bryce papin book is great as Cody it's a strange because he's not Cody you expect to still hear Fel Samplers scratchy I mean yeah it's like that's nine-year-old Cody though this is whatever however old he is so it's like yeah go ahead throw cat at him Kate hiin says Goan was weird to me did she sound entirely different than every other time she's played godan she yeah she sounded very different too okay I thought I was uh and go sounded like completely different actor actresses and I'm like

39:10 it's the same people I don't understand what's happening here then can we all appreciate that Neil Captain as hawman is Neil Captain as Hawkman in every way oh my God yes although I will I don't I I feel like I have to go back and watch Fusion now because aamon sounds exactly like baman and it threw me off like is that the same voice he was always although this one this one's a cheat because I went into it expecting he could still do that voice because I was there for the yeah so this is one where it's like now the weird one to me am I wrong or was Laura sumus patamon slightly different more like higher pitched it sounded like patamon okay uh and then can I feel bad for poor Chris Chris Swindle as worm

39:57 yeah he got a I don't know what happened there but that's that's a tough one to try toate so Paul St Peter is a very gracious person and he gave a very good message about how you know they he tried out he was offered he's like no digimon's Union it has to be union he gave a very nice speech and that's all I'm saying about it h okay um I feel bad for Chris Chris Swindle because this is not the first first time in one of these movies he's replaced a well-loved actor with a distinct voice yeah that's tough one because you in K he was h ah and then that's a tough one because you have to do that you have to try to be here's the voice that upset me the

40:43 most Robbie Damon as armadillomon oh my God so one one that voice was terrible and here's why here's why it upsets me it's not wildly different than what he did in kiz except there's one or two lines in keyna where I swear they didn't tell him to change the voice and he sounds like he's doing a Texas draw and I love those two lines I don't I barely remember armadillo man's voice Ino I remember him doing I mean I remember him being in I remember him doing the the lock the swipe card trick but but I I like here is just armadillo really awful yes uh then the new characters let's go over quickly uh agj Beck say Lou what's funny is the very first line he spoke I said I think

41:30 that's AJ beckles cuz it sounds like any time I hear AJ beckles and this happens for a lot of people it Pricks the same part of your brain that you hear Johnny Young Bosch the only issue is I I don't know if this was a per a choice by him or by the director for a good chunk of the movie is he like trying to do like a Christian Bale Batman thing I don't know but I liked it I like I liked it as I liked it as it as it smoothed out early in the film it's a bit too much I'm Batman I'm the first Digi destined it's it it it worked for me it's very different than than the S it's very different than mumo got but it's it's but it still worked for me like

42:15 it's it's sort of like how the it's sort of like the original dub of Evel and Spike Spencer just sounds completely different to Shinji and then for UK still works uh jezelle Fernandez's ukan was basically perfect that oh God ukan was freaky in the I love that was perfect like oh perfect and then um just go over quick young Louie and anel's Arin Yvette this one's weird because without commenting on young Louie too much and I don't consider that a spoiler because he's on the first poster yeah her voice there is great I don't understand why she's Andaman she's andrean in the reboot but she wasn't in Kiza it's like she was there and they had her play Angel but wasn't Higgins anaman in all the prior stuff she was

43:01 in uh I wonder if that's where they just kind of forgot to record when was in I should point out do you know how hard it was for me to get a [ __ ] correct crew list did you see did you see me on Twitter yes so at first the director the first director is listed as Jamie Simone and I'm like that's not right I'm like I don't know why Ryan Johnson would take credit for something he didn't do and also say he co-directed with someone if they didn't direct so later I was able to get confirmation great I rewrote that and then Jeff Nemo was like yeah I didn't write anything Digimon maybe they gave me credit because they Reed my script and I have to stop myu I'm going Jeff I I I know that one intimately that

43:46 that's not what I'm talking about finally we're able to figure out the confusion with nemoy me and other people nemoy has no awareness there's a new movie no one has told told him so he thinks we're talking about the redub so so I so I get in touch with PR person again and the response I get back is uh I'm sending a message let me find out the response I get back is who the writer is it's Seth Walter which he wrote various episodes of the old including including a number of the O2 episodes after nemoy left that had strange dub errors because they nemoy was the person who knew that stuff which explain explains a few things yes yeah cuz at first I was at first I was like

44:33 yeah at first I was like did they rewrite Nemo's dub he's not gonna make this mistake yeah yeah um so yeah Dub's very good uh go to the screening you will enjoy there's no it they're both enjoyable yeah um and then for movie stuff uh discussion threads open on the site we got to see the full opening I like that they uploaded that early as marketing because man that is such a zero2 opening it really is yeah yeah the song the characters running around it worked well it's like it's such a zero the characters running around doing nonsense is just such a zero2 thing like it just feels appropriate yes um the digi na'vi

45:18 happened this is where got to see Mina again yeah I it was very amusing for her she has not been around for a while uh Machu zawa who hosted it there was a period where we were seeing her every three or four months yeah brought her back from the tri days and kis and in fact I I think she hosted the the last Digi na'vi which was the ghost game one when they started it oh okay um face blind as [ __ ] so I would not know yeah so uh they had the nice English version of the stream which makes it much easier to deal with good that was a nice presentation of the very nice presentation in general very accessible yeah there is the occasional

46:05 issue where they will let people talk and they just won't sub them not too much it does happen um the titling was all very nice some people were really [ __ ] stupid with that timeline and ignoring the screen right before it but that that's pretty standard um I mean try haters are going to be try haters not just try haters people talking about oh they're going to rcon the epilog they spent like 30 [ __ ] minutes talking about the epilog of this thing they're not retconning [ __ ] they're talking about their characters in The that I'm you know I'm trying to think if Digimon has ever retconned any no no it Digimon does once it is on the screen you can argue about if it counts and when we say if it

46:50 counts what we mean is does it make sense to happen if it happens it happens they've made that very clear they don't give a [ __ ] what we're arguing about and that includes anything me or ar argue about if it happened in the anime it happened no matter how much it may or may not make sense everything we've seen in the adventure verse barring maybe the audio dramas I suppose is in continuity yes if it's in the anime it happens and the movie is very clear about this [ __ ] even the stuff I don't like it's there it does not matter what I think about it yeah I mean the the season one audio dramas I'm not so sure about but everything else yeah yes uh the presentation for the digin na'vi was

47:36 very good um I would love to see them keep up this level of presentation if they do Digimon KH again cuz the last one you remember when they did the vital bracelet part and they just stopped subtitling it and we all kind of s I remember like a 15minute segment where I just kind of sat there going they're not saying anything they're not saying anything they're not subtitling anything uh and I need to get caught up on vital bracelet stuff because my kid wants a vital hero now so after so Digi na'vi they showed the first four minutes of the movie they put up an archive after a day or two um I love that the advertising for the audio dramas are basically hey heroki Hara is narrating

48:22 them I [ __ ] love that that they know the audience no they really do uh so they here's the F the first real marketing mistake they made for this movie towards the end do you remember they've done the storyboard thing every month with each character yes so they released the opening and the opening reveals that all that stuff was actually from the opening it's all from that minute and a half opening this has all been a teaser for that and then the last one on the day the movies out is Dice gay and instead of putting up a storyboard they put up the opening but it's even the same YouTube link they gave us a week before they should have put this up early and revealed at the whole time they've been

49:08 showing us the opening because they put this up a week after it was irrelevant um and then they did the Twitter spaces talk we'll talk more about that in a minute because that stuff happened there it was basically a very casual convers ation between heri and Kad na we'll get to that in a minute I know everyone wants to talk about that just promp and it prompted aut uh box office numbers less than Kiza not bad it's a good start we'll see where it goes bit uh week two is roughly the exact trajectory of kazuna just starts lower I don't think anyone's shocked that an O2 movie is done less than an adventure movie yeah especially since

49:54 they really did adverti says O2 you're not necessarily going to get keys iness stuff it's O2 it's O2 it's O2 yeah this is I mean it's like even just the title of the movie even if it really functionally isn't it just feels like it's being advertised as a sequel yeah uh the numbers it's roughly 60% of Kiza that's in fact that's better than O2 that's better than O2 normally like I checked the Blu-ray box numbers it was like 20 or 25% of Adventure wow so if it's doing double that that's solid um uh tomisa Uchi talks about the movie a lot of this we can't go over because spoiler spoiler spoiler spoiler

50:39 um some of this we'll go over next week it's very interesting I there's very little we can talk about here because it is literally him talking about key elements of the movie his thoughts what certain things to the point that even I had to go oh this thing I wrote in my spoilery review I came to the conclusion that what the movie was saying was A or B pick your choice when it's really B or C the thing that I thought that and I didn't even agree with a in the first place I just went this is the choice that was never the choice it's just what it looked like we'll definitely go over this we can't almost say any the only thing he basically does say here is this

51:27 if you see it in the anime it matters to the movie is function yeah it's it's again again again goes into that they're not redc conting anything they're not interested in that he's not interested in it if it doesn't seem to fit there's some way to make it fit basically yeah um then we have Ram it all in there which which is really amazing given what you given what is told in the movie but yeah I will I I will say love the one thing I will say since he brings it up and it's not a spoiler to the movie was originally it was going to be a Back to the Future esque just jumping through time and he eventually just called up the high UPS of to going this doesn't make any [ __ ] sense it just there keeps end up being inconsistencies

52:14 because of it we have to start over the story so basically doing the same story without jumping through back and forth through timing cuz he what it was happening was he was basically going okay if this changes then we have to explain this and then we have to explain this and we have to explain and then he just went ah [ __ ] I'm not dealing with dealing with time Paradox basically this is [ __ ] I'm not dealing with it yeah but I would have loved to see a DeLorean oh I I would still like to see some sort of time travel element in Digimon I think you can have a whole I think you can mess a whole bunch of stuff up with that but that's I'm okay that they didn't do it in this movie this isn't the movie to do that so so it is Monday

53:00 night the dub is in theaters Wednesday the sub is in theaters Thursday for those in the US if you're not in the US check your local stuff it is just not possible for us to keep track of it all it is playing many places my understand the one that I do remember was Germany had subc screenings the first day my understanding is is the Dig na'vi I think said there would be more sometime in late November I think so if you're in Germany pay attention we're getting more news on country of day I think someone in the Discord said they announced Portugal in Indonesia just a couple days ago I think there's been so many updates I've gotten a bit lost on them which is why we generally the end of the the end of the um the the Dig Navi thing had a

53:47 whole bunch but I believe we've gotten updates since then from people like people go oh I didn't expect to get it in my the problem is is there's been so many it's just not trackable so anyway check your local list exactly um we got teaser D for the second Audio Drama which is again them going hey heroki harat narrates it then we get to see I I hope we get good summaries and then uh this is where like I have to use the spoiler tag on the form just so people don't see it if they don't want to the lou and ukan stuff from the poster they put up the full scene to if you want to see that they put up a promo poster with very spoilery stuff in it that I want to talk about but I will not

54:33 there's some stuff there that me and AR talked about predating Dev being on the podcast about our thoughts on how it clicks in or not and it the movie makes that very solid and then so I'm not sure which which uh what are you which thing are you post are you talking about or they did they put up a trailer with stuff from throughout throughout the movie including Lou seeing stuff oh yeah uh so movie theaters this Wednesday on next Monday we'll do our special where we are just going to talk about the movie no news unless there's relevant movie news uh it'll be the three of us Jeff from pod diges o [ __ ]

55:18 will be here are we going to talk about the uh director interview with that with that one or are we going to save that for we will see if Jeff what we have time for yeah yeah cuz here's the thing it's s for me it's later for other people it's not going to be us hold it's not going to be us going until it's 1: a.m. for some of you guys yeah it's going to be will okay so we will see what comes up so moving moving on from the movie to more movie stuff music singles are out digitally CDs are in December and up for pre-order um I bought the digital copies from Japan I very weirded out by some of the music to be honest various colors is beautiful it's beautiful and weirdly it feels like aim has more energy than she's had on

56:04 some songs yeah that's one of the better aim songs we've gotten in a while Beat hit I like it doesn't quite fit the vibe Beat hit feels like it should be kind of like clean and crisp and this one's a bit more arranged um Target creeps the [ __ ] out of me cuz so here's the thing the song has been completely rearranged which makes sense and it uses the original lyrics not any of the later re-recordings what woji did so it's very clearly 2000 woji with entirely new arrangements from a movie where earlier in the movie they play the original version so in my ear I can hear that he is exactly the

56:50 same and the music to listen to that one uh braveart I like it it's it's a bit scratchy for my taste this version is the way I put it uh I don't quite know how to put just slightly off uh so CDs are up Digi gift we get wallpaper with Lou and ukan I like the little leaf ukan and we need more these weird sketches from Tomy said Uchi I love when he does these where at the bottom left it's just that little frog thing and it literally okay it literally just says see the beginning and at first I thought it was like a dog on a leash

57:36 that's his signature you know I didn't even notice that and I like a branch with like acorns or something on it and and I'm actually using this as my wallpaper now yeah oh it's a great image and I love that they're not putting them up in [ __ ] quality anymore I was very tired of trying to D noise and clean them up so people could use them and not have them look terrible and then God bless we get to mention the UK we knew they were getting collector's edition and they're getting normal DVDs and Blu also I will say this this looks much better than our cover using the same art cuz on ours they they they wanted to back the whole thing in the blue and into that stupid [ __ ] triangle thing oh here there like let's just do a

58:24 slight outline it this is a much nicer version of our cover um I assume these are explains why they spent three years working on it to to be fair uh all the anime announced they were doing uh 4K discs of Nadia like a year and a half ago and they've just kept kicking them back and I think they finally came out today um so and I should probably mention I've done discs for them before so it's not like I sprucing it up um I assume these are going to be Reb Badges of the shout discs I'd be shocked if they aren't but we will see uh so UK people hey you get a movie not the movie you were hoping for but

59:11 hey and then um okay I well now you now they can see the first one before they see the beginning in three years yeah in the year 2026 Vandy gets to do a one-off screening of the beginning just in time for whatever comes next and then okay so I was not familiar with this theater in Japan uh I believe it's the same theater we talked about earlier in the year that was showing our war game but this is cool and I so they have 35 millimeter prints of hurricane touchdown and diablomon Strikes Back and they're showing them somebody wanted to show Movie 3 yeah so here's the thing uh Movie 3 is only being shown for five days they're giving seven for Diablo mon

59:56 Strikes Back which it sounds like I'm making a joke but I'm not it's it is better so so I should know where their priorities are so so here's what's interesting it's also it's also shorter this this is so much of a like it's also it's also weirdly more relevant to the beginning so the other interesting thing is this is like a movie Watcher Cinema like they list the technology in each of their rooms and stuff so like this is the projector they have this is the speakers it's in because it's a multi-building theater this is in this building here's how many seats the room has they note that while it's 35mm they're both in poor condition with scratches and other issues I assume these were actually

1:00:43 Prince from when they did the toi anime fair in 2000 and 2001 that's wild I assume yeah I assume I assume these are actual 35mm prints from when they originally were in theaters being shown to kids so so problems or not if you're going to be there great screenings and they also note there are no trailers being added to these the time given is the time the movie will start there is no it's going to take 5 10 15 20 minutes if you are not there my and it there there no Angela Anaconda short before these no so

1:01:28 if you are going to be in Japan and in that area I highly recommend you go this is the type of weird thing you may never see these two movies like this ever again I I legitimately like even though hurricane touchdown is awful I would still probably watch it in a theater if it was 35 mimer like that seems like a pretty cool experience it's a cool experience I should point out these were both animated digitally and the 35mm may not have been great even even when it was new but I would still [ __ ] jump like that's that's probably a really a more interesting experience than watching it on a laptop absolutely I really if you're going to be in Japan November 17th through the 30th and you're anywhere near this theater [ __ ] get there it really it's it's it's much in the same way that I'm still

1:02:14 looking forward to seeing the be certain parts of the beginning theater again even though I've already seen it see see I'm sitting here because I was bringing different people to each screening and I'm like I don't know if I want to go to both at this point I'm glad I only bought tickets for one at this point I wouldn't want to see it twice well luckily I bought working one of the days I bought I bought from a ticket company that has easy refunds as long as you do it an hour more than an hour before the screening so I have that option I mean I'm if they were nice enough to give me a screener I'm not going to say give me my money back no yeah fair enough uh and then moving on from the movie uh episode 39 through 42 of the Season 2 dub were put up to

1:03:00 promote the movie I [ __ ] lost it at seeing some of these descriptions yeah these are getting like here's the thing I I don't I don't care that they're not dub terms that like here's the thing if they were paying attention they'd be dub terms if they were paying attention the the text would make sense in the translation uh then the I'm going to start calling the World Tour episode of worldwide now yeah the that's the one I don't remember if I tweeted it or wrote it on the site like man it's too bad this story arc doesn't have a well-known name that they could have used and then the last one we literally the dub T theep Dub episode titles do do you want to know the best part if you

1:03:46 look at the last one the batch for 48 through 50 I'm pretty sure they copy pasted B vamdemon in the description because there's an extra space yes and I know this because I noticed that like crazy on stuff because I look for that at my job I I keep I look at that and I just go someone copy pasted the spelling because the translator did it wrong and they did not notice I I when I when I posted my um uh when I posted my review on on Twitter the uh there it somehow added an extra space to the to the summary and like really annoyed me yeah and my my f my favorite sentence from this batch what was in for them was bile vaman The Last Enemy who was also using oawa spoilers that that's not even a

1:04:32 good sentence Jesus Christ everybody's using oawa yeah and then that's pretty much the summary of zero2 honestly and then the thing back to that Twitter spaces thing director director cockadoo tunan and it should be know Ved despite what like weird crazy people say he's does not give his opinion on things he doesn't work on like he's told us his thoughts on like how our war game fits on blah blah blah blah blah but he does not actually tell us what he thinks of them as movies so like we don't know what he thinks of our war game the original movie

1:05:18 Hurricane touchdown diablomon strikes back try Kiza or the beginning he actually goes out of way to point out he this isn't like this isn't about the movie he he very clearly is aware people are going to take it as such it's not it's that something was said that rubbed him the wrong way and he feels he has to comment on it it's this is it is hilarious though that the you know the Twitter spaces thing they said something in the Twitter spaces thing and kako comes up with this really long well actually no and yeah so and here's the thing we don't know the the context of what she's saying may just be like AC based on fans they don't understand it because blah blah blah they may not be saying it wasn't thought out he's just

1:06:03 like okay it appears they've forgotten I'm going to go over this and they were in the room for some of this stuff so he goes over inde and weirdly I started getting messages from people going well this isn't really in detail I don't know why you said that yes it is considering what we have about the EP this was a L dump yes this is like the this is like one of the best [ __ ] lore dumps we've ever gotten from Co it's like as much as I make fun of it like this is actually a lot of good information no and that's exactly it it is Big information um so how how official of it is very and that and see and that's the other thing here so here's the other thing a lot of people ignore [ __ ] he said and this like

1:06:48 oh they're destroying his vision he's the first person to say in this [ __ ] this stuff was not on on screen a lot of it was never even written down yeah this is the background him and writers came up with four choices they were making in the comments he literally says this was stuff that was never going to be on TV some of it never would have would not have been appropriate some of it would make no sense this was background in their heads as to what they were doing to skip 25 years because they weren't just skipping 25 years ago here's II with the same haircut he's still playing soccer and there's akuman they were thinking in their heads about what to do now here's where it's relevant none of this mean [ __ ] to us 25

1:07:35 years ago because that's not information we have access to so if you didn't like it 25 years ago and you don't like it now that's fine it's purely this is what they were thinking of yeah um like this is the context behind and I should point out so many people got confused by The Chosen child math he put up a [ __ ] chart as an update like he he basically said something to the effect of my manner of speaking was confusing to people I wanted to clarify because a lot of people thought that he was off by year he wasn't he was explaining that year not the total like right before this somebody posted something on Tumblr where every all the numbers to tried to replicate these

1:08:22 numbers and they were off by a year yes um but yeah and the weird thing is is if you go into the numbers given offand in try in kiz in the beginning they all actually line up perfectly yeah that's the weird thing is that as unofficial as these numbers are everything post Z2 has been really consistent with them and very clearly have referenced his novels even with stuff that doesn't count um so I should mention because MAA brings this up in the chat he does not appear to be being passive aggressive um he's not talking about the director he's talking about SEI Romi who's the producer of the new movie and back then he appears to not be being pass

1:09:07 aggressive he's really saying I think they've forgotten he's not doing the passive aggressive of well I guess they don't remember so I have to do this he act he he legitimately appears to be saying I think they forgot because you have to remember at this time she was also working on Tamers so at this point also and also again this is not official no and he even this was like 25 years ago yeah that's the other thing is we're getting his perspective she may be saying it doesn't count so as far as she's concerned it's not thought out because it's not in the show but as far as I can tell from the text I believe he's being honest where he thinks he he thinks she's forgotten or is she he's

1:09:53 he's being very mechanical in how he talks about this because he does not want to be taken as I'm attacking I'm try he's basically going I'm giving information I haven't given before because I want cuz clearly he's heard this for 25 years from fans especially on social media that they didn't think about they didn't think about it blah blah no they thought about it it's just not it's not 100% yes and he even says he he even clarifies many times a lot of this was never written down it is stuff in his head and even now he's remembering some of it which means it may not even be accurate also there's a certain subtext within some of the stuff that the producers and directors and and haromi ski have been have said that kind of in Intimate that they don't want to

1:10:40 be beholden to all of this adventure lore like the stuff that we've actually seen in the anime they try to be consistent with like try and kazuna at the beginning they try very hard to not mess with too much but but with everything else all of the background it doesn't exist they don't care that much and here and here's where that argument comes into play a lot is a lot of TR kazun in the beginning goes to his novels not the anime yes is really big with the novels but there's stuff in the novels that cannot fit with the anime and they are not doing that like for example TK never gets a Crest in the novels that's right that's how they realize they don't need the physical

1:11:26 Crest because he never got his yeah they reference the crest being destroyed in somewhere in try I believe but basically anime and they're using as much flavor as they can but also if it's not on the screen they will throw it out in an instant if they can come up with something MH but yeah so this is we can't go over all this stuff you guys have to read because it's a lot but like him although I will say like he details the taii stuff he goes over some koshiro stuff I even like he's like of course koshiro is one of them connecting it to the Dark Masters um he CL the alien thing he's clarified a few times he doesn't mean aliens in the way everyone takes it which is Little Green Men he basically means

1:12:13 like extradimensional things which we actually see in O2 a few times firey kind of he he's more no he's more talking like in O2 there's a p there's a portion where they actually say you know the dark ocean is not the digital world it's another universe that wish universe is another one there's a part in O2 where they say the universe is bending From The Towers are bending Dimensions they don't know about yet he's talking about something happens in one of these and that something is coming when he says it's it's an extraterrestrial he's talking about beings who aren't like he doesn't mean from Mars he means

1:12:59 beings From Another Universe basically like deoman where Dean's a digimon from another place he's not from the digital world in O2 he's a different thing um I will say some of the leg some of like the logistical stuff is a bit too much Joe provided logistical stuff Sora made clothes for kids it some of it's a little too on the nose for me yeah it's some of the like the epilog stuff is a really interesting read to hear some of the justifications for that it doesn't necessarily defend them particularly well and also also it's still kind of like if you're not into some of the ideas that you're not going to fall it helps

1:13:47 it helps establish them better except the two people most people want to hear about the establishing [ __ ] for we don't get he teases them Mako and takaru takaru is important because he's the person who tells the story of it all theor yeah but that's that's sort of that sort of makes its own sense like I don't think anyone really objects no not all but Mako people want background four because it is oh everyone everyone hates because mako's ending is awful it does not fit that character just go and now she's a housewife now if she's a housewife and also a scientist or she jumps to the Digital World to do [ __ ] then fine that's great but that's not what we get I've heard defenses for MOS but it still gets to the it still it

1:14:32 still doesn't it still doesn't attack the main point which is mako's thing is she married Ken and that's her only thing that's s that's crap no absolutely it's very easy to make a defense of that but that doesn't fit the character as Built Well it's just that the girl marries the guy and that's her only thing like it no no that's does talk they could they could have said that with Hikari and it still would have been crap uh he showed off the picture from his fancy O2 box for some reason I weirdly love how few people I've seen actually put the adventure box in there as intended because he still has the spacer

1:15:18 box there uh and yeah he hints he may comment more on this type of stuff in the future although I will say the weird thing about this is reading all this it still makes me go ah now I understand why he didn't want to be in kazuna except it doesn't actually fit that cleanly minus we do get clarification exactly what they wanted him to do they wanted him to effectively be The Keeper of the lore so I can understand why he decided to leave this isn't information he gave us at the time at the time at the time what he said was something roughly like they had a story I suggested a better story and they said no so I left now the information we get

1:16:04 is is he was partially there to be the person to make sure stuff was kept straight and he disagreed with what they were doing now that doesn't mean they're wrong it does give us some depth into his thought process at the time which is much better than what we had before which was felt like he was just upset they weren't using his story this is very different kind of I'm I'm not sure I agree with it still it's better it's I mean I got the reasoning behind kako leaving kazuna made sense to me when I watched kazuna yes like that sort of answered everything for me his disposition about it might be better framed here but oh it's definitely like watch kazuna and you get it

1:16:51 yes um and that's said kazuna is awesome though so uh so then moving on from that uh pendulum stuff we got to see the full lineup for the V2 and V3 Digimon colors um there the lineups on these have been amazing to be quite honest they're really good I really like some of the new color Sprites had have you seen the little jellymoni yes is adorable that [ __ ] fantastic and uh cyamon is an ugly little [ __ ] that tracks yeah um he just a little almost he's was also kind of like an ugly no I know but now he's an ugly blue [ __ ] he looks like a Castlevania

1:17:37 villain then the V not even a Castlevania he looks like a Castlevania enemy he looks like he looks like a Castlevania moo that you whack at the Whip and it's gone in one hit yeah he looks like the guy who's just floating across the screen that you have to dodge or kill now the V3 where it gets interesting to be honest uh first we get Maston we get volto bolaman which I love that tanel Sprite that's not new I don't believe but I still like it uh Noble pmon gets the best Sprite I love how the Sprite has the cane I [ __ ] love this uh then the really cool one is Callison we have not seen this dude for 20 years

1:18:24 and I like how it's pointed out in the monmon memo what makes it special is it's in one with demon who were in V Tamer together uh but yeah um then we get the lugon line i' have to say the best Sprite here is I think lugon the worst Sprite here I believe is lugerman luga is the best Lugar Lugar is kind of like a weird like I I I need to see him attacking with like some fire spit but yeah so those were solid then vital bracelet previews we got to see

1:19:09 the D3 GM cards they went over these not much to say about these because we got previews we got to see a video preview of the pulson one they're still weirdly hiding the one but they keep showing the silhouette in more and more detail even though we know who it is uh the packaging is nice I don't know if I care about the packaging that much cuz I like Toy packaging it's weird when it's in like an exclusive though cuz like oh you made nice packaging it's not relevant to sell it we're only seeing it as pre like a day before pre-orders open but yeah Chad is agreeing that lugon looks like trash and then here is something special so we

1:19:57 talked about how last week apocalymon was going to get a new actor because his PRI one died 10 years ago director kako is directing the game stuff the new actor is Aki OT who's one of the biggest voice actors there is and you know I have been able to do one of these since ghost scheme are you ready for a voice actor list are you ready as it comes with as long as it comes with weird du ones yes it is are you ready okay up in Kingdom Hearts he's anom in Zeno zort in Metal Gear he s that's two that's the dut two on nose in in Metal Gear he's Solid Snake big boss and all the characters in that family line in onimusha he's uh Oda noaga he's Seth and Street Fighter he's skull Knight in

1:20:43 various versions of Berserk he's Blackjack he he shouldn't say in Bleach

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