BRUTAL: Emma Vigeland Calls The Bulwark TRAITORS and Sam Seder COOKS Tim Miller & Sarah Longwell

0:00 I I think that it's not far it's not too far to say that they are literally traders to our democracy because they are uh preserving their own specific career goals and and wealth over uh providing a more robust anti-fascist coalition and they are complicit in these attacks on you which is a proxy for attacks on the left. 100% >> brutal calling them traitors to our democracy uh for basically enriching themselves based off this fake activism and that's what it is. [cheering] >> Yeah, super excited to see Emma in the hot seat over here with us on two powerful voices on the left. I wondered what Emma was going to get up to when she was out on the West Coast and if it

0:45 would include an appearance on Hassan's show. We already reacted to a recent appearance that she did on Pod Save America uh where I thought she did great. Um so super excited to hear uh from them as they unpack what is undoubtedly more of the drama with the bull work. >> Yeah, got some interesting timestamp here. Here's one talking a little bit about the DSA takeover. You know, as you can see, there's this like giant collage of [ __ ] Hassan haters. I see Hutch on there. you know, all these people that are just like [ __ ] Hassan derangement syndrome patients, uh, you know, going crazy. So, they're going to talk a little bit about that and then in a second they're going to get into some of the bull work drama with Sarah Longwell, all that kind of stuff. But, yeah, this was a great conversation and you're right, Emma, you know, it's like maybe she's also uh, you know, starring in the

1:31 social reckoning. She's on a bit of a media tour herself out there on Pod Save now, Hassan. Um, who knows if there's any other stops. You know, maybe she'll stop by the Vanguard. Who knows? She has before. Y keep your eyes open, kids. >> Yep. So, let's take a look here. Uh this is uh pretty funny. They're talking about this, you know, smear campaign against Hassan based on something he recently said about James Terico, I believe. >> This past show >> uh libs of Tik Tok, unofficial DSA spokesperson says the quiet part out loud. After James Terico wins, we have to remind him that we are the force that allowed him to win this seat of power. The Democratic Party is now the DSA party. And then right on top of it you got Sir Rottweiler, another one of these like centrist liberal uh uh accounts on the timeline. Hassan knew he would be used by Republicans and tied to

2:17 Talerico's campaign when he said this. This is his way of indirectly tanking Terico and the DNC. Y'all need to remember that the DSA's entire goal is to destroy us so they can replace us. >> The great the DSA is doing great replacement theory for the Well, I mean kind of. Sorry. >> Yeah, for liberal Democrats. Hassan has nothing to do with Talo, [laughter] but he's trying That's what we've been campaigning for, championing over here at the Vanguard for the entirety of our show. A hostile takeover of the Democratic party from the progressive left. Many people have said it can't be done. Many of our largest beefs we've ever had on the Vanguard in the history of our show have been with people who are like, you know what, it can't be done. We have to go into a third party. I was like, "No, what we're going to do is the Bernie Sanders style vision of taking over the Democratic Party and

3:02 recreating it in the vision of DSA and recreating it in the vision of the de of the Democratic socialist policies that made Bernie Sanders such a phenom when he was running for president." Like, it is going to be his legacy. That is the Democratic party. And we've all been on the same page about that for a long time. It's just the rat bastard centrist never Trumpers who have tried to co-opt our party and recreate it in the name of Reagan Republicanism, George Bush senior republicanism. That's what they want. That's what neocon Tim Bullwark wants. That's what Sarah Longwell wants. That's what all these other [ __ ] goons want. They want to make it, you know, Liz Cheneyy's Democratic party and we want to make it Bernie Sanders Democratic party. And that's the war we're in. And that's the tussle and that's why we're in the middle of a breakup, you guys. a

3:48 democratic civil war or a democratic breakup where it's the Kyle Kolinskys and the Jen Welches and the Hassan Pikers and the Emma Vigland on one side and then you have the Bull Works and the [ __ ] sellout establishment corruptionist chorus Democrats. Exactly. >> Yep. 100%. That's the delineation. And that's why, you know, we talk so much about what real independent media is all about. Um that means you're not taking dark money from the Democratic party. That means you're not on the payroll of the [ __ ] you know, political establishment that you're supposed to be analyzing in a in an honest way, right? You're supposed to be calling balls and strikes, right? You're not supposed to be taking money from one of the two [ __ ] teams. At that point, you're just a propagandist, you know? Um, so that's the delineation. Um, and it is very important to remind people that,

4:34 yeah, uh, you know, can liberals sometimes be helpful? Can can the bull work sometimes do decent uh content, you know, when it comes to like uh changing the minds of other wealthy Republicans and consider, you know, getting a few of them to maybe, you know, dregister as a Republican and vote for a Democrat or something. Sure, maybe. Yeah. I'm not saying that it's a a completely worthless project. Um but it's not the same as the real left and that's not the same as real independent media. It's just not. >> Yep. Absolutely. Um so that was a pretty good time stamp. I thought that was funny. Uh but Zach, let's segue into what the people really want to hear about. Uh which is this beef that has consumed the discourse uh definitely on this channel. You know, we've been we've been talking about this now for a week or two. Um but also you know online if you look at uh left-wing Twitter if you

5:20 look at a lot of the uh conversations that are happening uh this has really become a viral beef between the majority report and the bull work uh which are two heavy hitter channels when it comes to Democratic party left-wing liberal analysis whatever you want to call it with obviously the majority report being the the more truly independent left-wing channel and the bull work representing exactly what Zach was talking about which is the consultant class and the Liz Cheney and the you know never Trump republic Repans who now want to tell actual Democrats how to win. Um even though their advice never seems to actually help as was the case with Kla Harris who took all their advice in their own words. >> Yep. Absolutely. Let's watch >> Democrats who are also entirely wellunded as well and they have the ability to pump out a message if they want to and align with the Republicans.

6:06 And so that's why I cannot believe that there's any outrage claiming about claiming that after months of of of that Republican woman Sarah Longwell saying that you were hated women and that you hated America and that you were an extremist. >> No, they sound like Steven Crowder. >> Yeah, she's a literal Republican and and and and Okay, sure. She has a some sort of consulting agency that's maybe apparently trying to get Democrats elected this cycle, but that's the whole problem. the consultant class are the is the problem. I don't really have much to say about their opinions except to say that, you know, for the most part they have become this like completely parasitic middleman for Democratic uh campaigns that um it's it's heavily

6:53 focused on commission. >> That's such a great way to put it, by the way, a parasitic middleman because it's convincing the Democrats that oh yeah, if you you know, give us more of your money and we'll actually help you win. The opposite happens. Again, they're not getting good advice from these agencies, these consulting companies. They actually directly lead to worst results for Democrats, including Kla Harris, who fumbled the easily the most important election cycle of our entire lives thanks to the bad advice she took from these exact sort of people. Um, so it's not even helping. You know, again, it would be one thing if like, oh, you know, I used to be a Republican, okay, but now I'm actually going to help the Democrats win. That would be one thing. You know, I'll give you [ __ ] credit. um if you actually get a Democrat across the line, but when your advice directly leads to their losses, it's like, what are you a is this controlled opposition? Are you actually just still a Republican? Are you a secret [ __ ] agent sent in to

7:39 give the worst advice possible and make Democrats seem, you know, cringy and out of touch by trotting out the likes of Liz Cheney during an election cycle where people were clearly in a very anti-war mood, something that even [ __ ] Donald Trump and his advisers could understand. Like, literally, are you being paid to [ __ ] sabotage us? Well, it's funny you mentioned that, Gavin, because she responds to that exact claim, Sarah Longwell. Uh, and she says, uh, that the analysis of Sa of Hassan and Emma doesn't make any sense. There's not a single piece of empirical data that the Liz Cheney stuff mattered. I know people want to be mad and I think it's very strange 5 weeks out from an election for people to be focused on me, but I guess people have decided I'm a big enough deal that they want to come after me and that's their prerogative. I

8:24 think I'm a weird target, but have at it, I guess. So, what the [ __ ] is the point of your consultancy if you're not responsible for when the Democrats win and you're also not responsible for when the Democrats lose? And also, it's a [ __ ] lie that there's not a single piece of empirical data that the Liz Cheney stuff mattered. Uh, as David Stoa points out, he says Sarah has a reason to pretend the data doesn't exist on this question. It does. Shapir on stage with Harrison and Cheney at a 2024 event in Pennsylvania where data for progress polling showed the Harris Cheney alliance was a net negative for Harris among independent voters. Bro, David Sroa must have a real bone to pick with Longwell, too, cuz this dude had every receipt ready to go. He's been posting like a [ __ ] this past couple weeks, like you know, backing up all of these criticisms of the bull work with receipts and evidence um showing exactly

9:10 who this lady is. And yeah, of course, she was literally on stage with Harrison Cheney. How could she not take credit for that? they, as that one guy from the Bullwork did in the video clip that we played for you guys the other day where he's like, you know, [ __ ] if they win, uh, you know, it's going to be thanks to us because they're following all our advice. And then I think it was Tim Miller on the same episode who's like, well, what about if we lose, you know, does that mean we get the blame, you know, kind of jokingly and then they quickly, you know, have to kind of move on because they realize um, you know, the impact of that if Kamla were to lose and this clip existing. Uh, well, Kamla did lose and I didn't see them come out there and apologize or take any of the blame or, you know, say, "We're going to do a [ __ ] uh, postmortem or some introspection, try to figure out what went wrong and see how we [ __ ] up." Um, because, yeah, it's like, you did

9:56 [ __ ] up. And, uh, it's crazy that this whole consulting business is like one of the few jobs that you can have in this country where you can just fail over and over again and still keep getting work. You know what I'm saying? Imagine imagine if if an airplane pilot had the same track record, right? I don't think you'd still have a job, you know? You'd probably be dead. I was going to make that joke, too. >> You know, but imagine if you're a surgeon or something, you know what I mean? Like, what other [ __ ] job do you just get to fail over and over again? Um, give terrible advice that hurts the candidates that you're paid to help and then somehow still, you know, have have this reputation and and be like uh elevated. >> Work at Fox News. >> Yeah. There you go. There you go. Um, but either way, uh, do you want to listen to the rest of what Emma had to say? >> Yeah, I just wanted to also point out that he has the data right here if anybody wants to go and look at that. That's not just David Serot's word of

10:43 mouth. He links to both receipts, but yeah, we could keep taking a look at this. >> Sweet. Let's uh hear a little bit more from Emma Vigland and Hassan [ __ ] >> off digital and TV ad buys. And if you're a a campaign like for example, we're talking about Texas. Colin Alred was that kind of guy when he ran last time where he he he didn't go across the state like Terico did. He hyperargeted based on data >> and he did a lot of TV and digital ads and he got his clock cleaned. Now we're in a very different situation. But but and I'm not saying that Torico is not, you know, also the consultants are working on that campaign as well. But but >> that's the kind of campaign that many in the Democratic establishment are very happy to continue running across the country and it's a losing campaign, but

11:30 it maintains their position within the power structure. And um >> I I I think that it's not far. Not too far to say that they are literally traders to our democracy because they are uh preserving their own specific career goals and and wealth over uh providing a more robust anti-fascist coalition. And they are complicit in these attacks on you, which is a proxy for attacks on the left. >> 100%. >> Damn. Brutal. Calling them traitors to our democracy uh for basically enriching themselves based off this fake activism. And that's what it is. And I'm so sick and [ __ ] tired. You know, the dude on pod save was like, well, you know, her her agency, her consulting agency or what, you know, they're running ads for Democrats. So, how can you say she wants

12:16 Democrats to lose? They're running ads. It's like her having some cushy gig at some [ __ ] consulting agency. That's not activism. You know, you're basically just enriching yourself by being a part of the political industry, by being a part of the Democratic Party industry. That's not [ __ ] activism. I don't give a [ __ ] how many ads your stupid ass [ __ ] never Trump Republican agency has run. Um, ads that probably won't even actually help the candidates because we all know how dog [ __ ] your strategy is, right? Um, you don't get a pass. No, we still get to criticize the things you say. We still get to criticize the the the sentiment that you fment in the discourse, specifically online in which you mainly operate, right? Like, yeah, it's fair game to criticize her. And I think Emma said it best. >> Yep. Absolutely. And I um I uh I oh gosh, where's this? Right here. I want

13:02 to throw this up really quickly as well, just to kind of supplement the arguments that these people are making with some visual uh examples people can look at. But again, this is what the bull work was up to during these Democratic primaries. Is Hassan [ __ ] toxic or getable? That's Sarah Longwell herself and Tim Miller. How big is the Democrats big tent? That's some other random lady. Uh which the creation of the Hassan [ __ ] litmus test, right? The democrats should shun Hassan [ __ ] That's another woman for the bull work. The return of communism chic. A new generation discovers the workers paradise. That's another takedown on Hassan [ __ ] So as we look at the Sarah Longwells and the bull work people be like, I don't know why Hassan keeps talking about us. I don't know why people on the left keep talking about us. It's because you have dragged our one of our our biggest allies and one of our most uh you know

13:47 spotlighted figures and advocates and dragged them through the mud. So yeah, people are going to respond to that and they're going to be like, "Hey, you lied about this person. You misrepresented this person and you did it." uh with a with a malicious intent really. Uh and and we can also talk about how that's supplemented by the fact that you know Tim Miller was one of those guys who was trying to make uh globalize the Inifata controversy a really big deal for Zoron back in the day. He was trying to make the from the river to the sea controversy a big deal back in the day. It's almost like they're doing the work of the Republican party for the Republican party. Almost like they're [ __ ] controlled opposition, which I don't literally think is true. I'm not going deeply conspiratorial here. Um, but I do think they've just been in that mindset for so long in their professional lives as members of the political industry. Um, that yeah, they're still just in that mindset where it's like, yeah, uh, basically doing the work of the Republicans even though they're supposedly now Democrats. Like I

14:33 think I've heard these types of [ __ ] people talk more about Hassan uh, in the context of Michigan than I have heard uh, the Mike Rogers campaign even talk about Hassan. They're like, "Shit, we don't need to do any Hassan ads because the Democratic Party and their [ __ ] stupid operatives like Sarah Longwell, you know, they're doing it for us. We don't need to bring any attention to this issue because they've already, you know, created this entire phenomena." Obviously, I'm, you know, being a little bit tongue and cheek. I know Fox News has gone into overdrive talking about Hassan [ __ ] It's not just the never Trump Democrats or Republicans or whatever you want to call these people, but still, they really did pioneer that strategy and just hand it to the Republicans on a silver platter and say, "Hey, we did all this leg work for you. Now, now run with it." Um, now luckily for candidates like Abdul Alad, it's a stupid attack. It's a dumb strategy. I don't actually think it's going to work to take him out by doing this guilt by

15:19 association [ __ ] Um, but if he does lose, then yeah, the [ __ ] blood is on the hands of the bull work and all these stupid [ __ ] uh consultants that thought it would be a good idea to obsess over Hassan [ __ ] >> Very well put. I think there might be a couple more seconds of this, but that's that's most of what I wanted to >> Oh, okay. That we can also move on to the David Serot Sam stuff if we can. Let's make sure this is over. Uh but yeah, then we can move right on. >> And um so the other reason why I brought this web up is >> Okay. Yeah, that was it. But shout out to Emma for absolutely cooking the living hell out of the bull work types. Um just just great to see. >> Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely. Uh and and we can take a look at this conversation that happened the other day between David Seroda of the lever and Sam Cedar of the Majority Report because they kind

16:05 of get into this talking point uh that we've been addressing Gavin which is that you know there is no going back to the old Republican party right there is no like oh you know these were the good Republicans that came after 2016 when their when their party went bad. It's like no the party had already been bad. It was already unsalvageable. It was already a neocon project that had been run on in extreme austerity and benefits for the rich and nothing for the poor for decades and decades and decades. And uh they kind of uh they kind of go into the project 2025 deal and and really lay bare uh the the like uh misrepresentation of this idea that the Republicans have something like good that they can return to after Trump, which is the whole theory of Tim Miller and Sarah Longwell.

16:50 >> Yeah. And again, just hilarious because in case anyone forgot, you know who who was the previous Republican administration before Donald Trump took over the party, Zach. >> Oh, yeah. It was Donald Trump. [laughter] >> It was George [ __ ] Bush. You know, is that what you know the Republican party should return to George Bush? Like, is that is that really any better? Have we all already forgotten how stupid and uh [ __ ] racist the George Bush administration was? like how just completely I mean the Patriot Act, the [ __ ] war on terror, >> just how pathetically stupid he was and how embarrassing it was to be an American at that time. That that was a foundational, you know, primary moment for me and Gavin. We grew up so hard in the Bush era, like even more than we're Obama era kids. I feel like Gavin and I are really Bush kids >> and growing up in, you know, Kansas, like, you know, we were right in the, as

17:36 Jyn Welch says, the the buckle of the Bible belt. >> Exactly. And we and you really feel that. Um, and either way, exciting to react to this in another clip of Sam Cedar where they get into Hassan [ __ ] and we're also going to have Kyle Kolinsky weigh in. So, stick around everybody. >> One of the things I know that you also have a an issue with and and it and it dovetales with this conversation is the notion that the Republican party that existed before 2016 was fundamentally different than it is today. you'll see that like Donald Trump basically has the same floor in terms of his approval rating as George Bush did. Uh what was the moral majority? What was the Tea Party? What was uh you

18:23 know QAnon? What was MAGA? These are all essentially a [snorts] very similar uh core uh of the Republican party. And then there's like well what can I get for my tax cuts? uh what can we deregulate? You know, when we look at the the the worst parts of the Trump administration, um these are all Republican ideas. Everything in Project 2029, excuse me, 2025 were percolating in the largest most uh fundamental Republican [snorts] think tank for years. you know, uh, the idea of getting rid of the Department of Ed, >> what wasn't it like the Heritage Fund or

19:08 whatever, right? Like these old school heritage foundation. >> Heritage Foundation. Yeah, exactly. These old school neocon groups like Sam is talking about. Those are the people who created the policies that would be adopted by Donald Trump and JD Vance. Right. These people are coming from Republican machines and >> they picked all of the Supreme Court justices that that Trump chose. >> Exactly. And there was the the bait and switch, if you want to call it that, of like Donald Trump pretending he wasn't going to do those things. But it's obvious that he was going to and then he did, right? So because he's already done that, there's it's not even up for debate. Like he has just governed like a fiscal conservative, right? Like a neoconservative. And it's even more crazy because I remember uh Ben Shapiro before he had his mammoth falloff, right? He had a viral clip before 2024 where or no, sorry, this would have been

19:54 2020 where he said he didn't support Donald Trump in 2016 because he didn't think he was going to govern like a true conservative. And so he said that he was going to support like Gary Johnson or something like that. And then he was like in 2020 and then he was like but then Donald Trump did govern like a true conservative. He was very very fiscally conservative when he was in he gave a lot of and he was like so I am supporting him in 2020. Now ironically for Ben Shapiro that was when Donald Trump lost right because the energy was not with him after co but I I just remember being like this is the best argument against the like Neville Trumpers. It's like he actually did give you guys everything that the Republican party is supposed to watch, like wretched austerity and massive military budgets. And >> he's like, "Yeah, [ __ ] your, you know, Medicare. We're going to go after these things that even previous conservative presidents thought were like untouchable." You know, Trump's just like, "Fuck it. I'll do it." Like, "I'll do whatever the [ __ ] billionaire

20:40 donors want me to. I'll do whatever the neocon donors, the Zionists, whatever they [ __ ] want me to, I'll do it." You know, he's literally the wet dream of these uh conservatives. The only thing he ever did that they hated was like uh the stimulus checks or whatever cuz it was like you know then they blamed that on inflation remember um which is hilarious but you know Trump is uh pretty self- serving and you knew that would help him. Same reason he's currently offering $5,000 to you know Americans if uh if if Republicans win the midterm which they will not which yeah they won't. And even if they did Trump's not actually going to send us all $5,000 [ __ ] dollars. Like are you [ __ ] kidding me? How stupid do you have to be? Uh, luckily I don't think anyone is that stupid at this point. >> Education, the idea of getting rid of the Department of Commerce, the idea of of defunding Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the idea of of

21:27 getting rid of the FDA, of deregulation, all these things are completely fundamental to the Republican party and um and frankly uh neocon uh there is certainly uh some neocons in the the Democratic party. There always has been. Um but uh we should not be surprised that Donald Trump despite the fact that he said you know no new wars in addition to having like you know bombed Yemen, bombed Somalia, uh uh done more drones, >> pulled us out of the JCPOA which a lot of people don't talk about. I know Sam knows this. I'm not lecturing him. I'm just saying like that the pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal, right? and then extrajudicially assassinating an Iranian general. >> Moving the embassy to Tel Aviv

22:13 >> didn't clue people in that >> Jerusalem. Sorry. >> Yeah. It didn't clue people into the fact that hey uh he was going to be okay with wars. You know, Sam mentions the bombings in Yemen. Donald Trump veto vetoed bipartisan legislation that had been sponsored by Ro Kana and Ran Paul in both the House and the Senate. It passed, but not with the veto proof majority. Donald Trump vetoed it. It was supposed to end the US sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia so they could do an ethnic cleansing. This was in Trump one. Anybody with eyes knew when John Bolton was put in his cabinet, when Mike Pompeo was put in his [ __ ] cabinet that these odious [ __ ] bastards were going to do war abroad. I mean, this is absolutely insane. You can go and look at everywhere the United States dropped a bomb during Donald Trump's first presidency. And it's all over the North of Africa and all over the Middle East and places like Syria, Jordan, uh, Lebanon, you know, or it's the United

22:59 States or our proxies. It's like all over that region of the world. Excuse me. I don't think we didn't bomb Lebanon that you know what I'm saying. >> Yeah. Exactly. Trump was a [ __ ] liar. And uh yeah, he's he's basically, you know, George Bush on steroids to be totally honest. >> Yeah. >> George Bush, you know, didn't even take the bait with Iran. >> Yep. Exactly. >> strikes during his administration than even Obama. Um we should not be surprised because you're not electing a single individual. You're electing a party and you're electing a party apparatus. And the only difference between, you know, Trump one and Trump two is that he realized there are some key positions where I'm just going to put cronies in. Uh and and so we we're here today. Donald Trump was not dropped from outer space. He is

23:47 a product of the Republican party in what they have been pursuing for decades. It may have gotten out of hand for some people. They may have fallen out of favor. But Miller, >> Mitt Romney traveled to New York in 2012 to kiss Donald Trump's hand to get his blessing. Mitt uh, you know, Donald Trump was the one who drove the whole uh, birth certificate stuff >> with Obama >> was, you know, uh, and so none of this should be >> That was actually, we talked about it a lot in the past, but we don't talk about it as much. That was one of the things that people talk about the apprentice. That's true. But it was the birther [ __ ] and O Obama was born in Kenya that really really made Donald Trump a mainstay on Fox News for a while in that time period and it was like a a big introduction to him like saying crazy conspiracy theories. I know he had done

24:34 it in the past. People talked about him like after 9/11 but it was the Obama era where it felt like Donald Trump was a really active caller on Fox News. >> Oh yeah. He would tweet all the time, you know, like people love to recirculate Trump's old tweets being like, "Watch Obama start a war with Iran because of his unfavorables, you know, his his uh low approval rating. Well, watch, he's going to start a war with Iran to try to get himself out of this and stuff." And it's like, yeah, uh totally. So, um either way, pretty funny. >> Yep. Looks like Kyle weighed in and said 100% correct. This is who they are. Kyle being clear across the board on which side of the argument he's on. He even put out a video of his own being like the United States is the greatest terror or biggest terror organization in the world. [ __ ] deal with it. Like defending Hassan and coming after all of the people who are trying to cancel Hassan for saying something that's

25:20 obviously true. Uh got one more clip from this uh and then Hassan's response to it. Gavin, if you're ready to watch one more quick bit this uh you know where Sam directly responds to some of the allegations against >> [ __ ] Let's hear Let's hear from Sam. Uh, shout out to David Serotto, too, who again has been doing great work exposing the likes of Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller. Um, you know, David Sto, I don't always agree with them, but um, when I do agree with him, he's a he's a great ally to have on your side. >> Yep. Totally. >> He's got a massive audience and he knows how to mobilize them and he's been talking about mobilization and organizing as part of his ideological um, perspective on things. And uh early on in the primary, as early as I think

26:06 like spring, early spring, uh it was decided by these corporatist that that Per would be a liability to Sed. uh at one point to the point where Mallalerie McMuro, you know, brings him up and you know, I know who Assan [ __ ] is and I think my daughter who's, you know, 21 knows who Assan [ __ ] is, but as big as his audience is, he's not Rush Limba in 19, you know, in the year 2000. Um, he's not even Rush Limba maybe in the year 1989. And he certainly doesn't have the sort of stature. >> I love the generational disconnect right here. Here you have Hassan [ __ ] a figure that everybody under the age of 25 knows about and very few people over the age of 25 know about. And here Sam

26:52 is threading the needle by talking about Rush Limba, a man who almost nobody under the age of 25 knows about, but everybody over the age of like 35 knows about. Uh chat, let us know if Rush Limba's legacy is gone and toast and that people don't know who he is anymore. >> Yeah, I know. I think I think you're totally right about that. I mean, you know, it's not like uh Rush Limbbo kind of died before he could ever really become like popular as like an online. He never like start a YouTube channel or whatever, you know. Maybe if he was a little bit younger, he eventually would have. If he hadn't died, I'm not sure. But yeah, he's definitely like if you're not someone that listened to the radio and consumed your media that way, then yeah, you probably don't know who the [ __ ] he is or you've heard his name, but you don't really know, you know, what he was about. >> My grandpa [ __ ] loved Rush Limbbo, unfortunately. So, I've heard too much Rush, >> dude. I feel like every every Republican of that age, you know, age range did. who was just like, "Yeah, Rush Limba, he

27:38 was the he was the man Democratic party that a Rush Limba did." Uh, and it wasn't until like 2008 that the that the Democrats thought like, "We should leverage uh Limba." I mean it was it was both fairly transparent what was going on and just a level of incompetence and it may you know look I can't make the assessment that it sunk Mallerie McMaro's campaign but her campaign started sinking right at that point um and you know it was in in the context of her primary but I think what happened and a lot of th the those pieces about Hassan [ __ ] came from the bull work >> we showed them to you guys >> to sort of like um uh you know uh churn

28:24 the ground a little bit to do a little rotor tillering at first before things were starting to plant >> just like they did against Zoron Mdani. Here you have Hassan weighing in and saying cooking me. He's making a joke about how he says that Rush Limbaugh was more popular than Hassan. But either way, all in good all in good uh sports over here. Hassan being very tongue andcheek. It was very very flattering I'm sure to hear Sam say that. >> Oh yeah, totally. And you know I mean I think it's just true in the sense that like back in the Limba era there was more of like the what do you call it the uniculture or whatever like more people were getting their information and news from the same places. Whereas now with the internet it's like everyone's in a completely different algorithm. Everyone listens to completely different people. You know I could my the person that I get my news from likely you know another

29:11 person wouldn't even know about, right? um even if they have millions and millions of followers. Um it's like it's very likely that you could be like, "Oh, I listen to this person and get all my news from them and then someone doesn't even know who the [ __ ] you're talking about." >> That's why it's very important you always promote the Vanguard. >> Exactly. Make sure to subscribe to the channel, promote our send send our videos to your to your grandma. Um, but either way, you know, back in the day it was like, oh yeah, Rush Limbbo, you know, he he was like one of the handful of options, you know, if you're getting your news from somebody on TV or the radio, whereas now with the internet, you know, uh, yes, Hassan [ __ ] is probably bigger than almost anybody else in that lane. Uh, but still, that's it's the internet. You know, there's so many different options. Um, and that's how, you know, the stuff is consumed nowadays, which I think is both a good thing and a bad thing in different ways. >> Totally. Uh, love to see David Seroda,

29:57 Sam Cedar, Kyle Kolinsky, Emma Viglin, the whole brigade COMING OUT HERE SWATTING DOWN THE BULL WORK. YEP. >> AND, UH, standing up for our guy, keeping it 10 toes down for King Hassan [ __ ] Uh, you know, whether whether you have nitpicks of the guy, beef with the guy, clearly what's happening is a distraction to keep people's attention away from the very very popular policies of the left. And so, it must be dealt with. [ __ ] the people at the bull work. We've known their snakes for a long time. And I'm glad that other people are waking up to it because for a long time Gavin and I were just like, "Come on, man. When is everybody going to realize these people are not our [ __ ] friends?" They get so many views, too. Like even with this controversy and stuff, like I was, you know, just looking at one of their uh videos on their channel from the other day cuz I was trying to get a screenshot of Sarah Longwell for the thumbnail on this very

30:43 stream. Um and it was just some random clip about like the Jack Smith hearing. It had a half a million views from like a day ago or something. I was like, "Holy shit." like this is really, you know, being promoted by the the algorithm, you know, on YouTube. Um, >> half a million views. That's a good clip for even like breaking points, >> dude. I know. It's crazy. They really have gotten in that like MSNBC, you know, liberals algorithm. Um, and again, it's not to say that everything the Bull work puts out is terrible. Like a lot of their commentary is just like kind of basic, you know, pods save America coded, you know, liberal commentary. Like it's not all terrible. >> Trump deserves to be criticized, >> right? But, you know, again, Trump is president right now. What about when there's a Democratic primary going on and all of a sudden, you know, it comes down to Gavin Newsome and a left-winger

31:29 like AOC, someone like that? You know, what do you think those platforms are going to be using their influence for? um you know what do you think they're going to be trying to do as far as uh uh picking sides and and trying to influence their large audience to support uh you do you think they're going to influence them to support the establishment option that's more likely to lose or the exciting progressive and you know help fment that uh Democratic style tea party the progressive obvious we all know the answer we all know the [ __ ] answer same with all these chorus cohort drones you know this drone army that's being uh built in the background it's going to get deployed at some point and it's going to be deployed against the progressive movement. It's already [ __ ] happening. It already has been happening with this anti-Hassan [ __ ] um and this you know creating this narrative and and and you know creating this the seeds for these smear

32:14 campaigns, right? It's already happening. Um and it's about time that somebody like Sam and Emma really called it out and identified that it's happening because it's kind of been on the DL. You know, it's kind of been covert. Uh they've been pretending, oh, we're Democrats. We're what are you talking about? Don't don't look too, you know, much into the history of our political careers. Um, meanwhile, Sam and Emma are like, you know, I think this is worth talking about and it is worth talking about and it's going to be increasingly worth talking about as the uh, you know, dividing lines in the Democratic party tint, the big tint, you know, become more clear uh, in 2028. >> Yep. And that's why you guys need to hit the like button, hit the subscribe button, and hit the notification bell because all of those battle lines will be covered in detail over here at the Vanguard because you guys know nobody does it like us. when somebody is beefing on the internet, we will be

33:00 there. Look out the door if you hear an ambulance. I thought that was a great rant, Gavin. Very, very well put. >> Thanks, man. I appreciate it. And yeah, everyone, you know, we're getting closer to midterms. This is the last month before midterms. Obviously, we're seeing these fraction uh you know, fractions um start to emerge these or fractures, rather. >> Yeah, fctions. Fractures. Yeah, I got what you're saying. [laughter] >> You know, they're starting to emerge. Uh, but again, once Trump's out of the way, it's really we're going to be kind of back to that like, you know, 2016 like Bernie Bros versus Hillary Clinton supporters, you know, vibe where it's like, yeah, it's it's going to be a battle for the soul of the Democratic party and we need to make sure the progressives win, the people that actually can win a general election and they can excite the American people by speaking to the issues that actually concern them um and not just another corporate [ __ ] Zionist sellout version of the Democratic party, which has basically existed for Zach and I's

33:46 entire life, you know, and we're on the precipice of overturning that old guard. Um, but people like Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller and all these other fools, you know, they're going to make uh sure or try to make sure that that doesn't happen. So, you know, it's super important that we talk about it. And it is more than just, you know, name calling and drama and beef. You know, it's actually a serious debate about the future of the Democratic party and whether we should be, you know, embracing the likes of [ __ ] Liz Cheney or, you know, valuable, influential thought leaders that speak to the youth online like Assan [ __ ]

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