Digimon Podcast LiT Episode 137 Devilmon Crybaby

0:00 [Music] episode 137 of lost in translation what I'm a dungeon and this time we watch Digimon savers the movie ultimate power activate burst mode also known as did you wanna save as the movie the big waste of time also known as this did not get English release because why would it be dumb dumb dumb don't you think of how many lines they would have have to write new lines for that like three-minute fights in it's all silence at the beginning there's actually not a lot of talking in this movie no there isn't but like this specifically and you can tell the art direction is there is no talking for this because it's important but how often would they be like throwing lines in oh my god it's so quiet that's probably the reason this scene we're

0:46 gonna write three minutes of unique dialogue for everyone in this movie with no plot whatsoever what what do we do I'd actually be interested to know why they didn't actually produce this movie like maybe Jeff Nimoy knows I'll try to tweet at him I would assume that it's because by the time save is finished it was limping to the finish line of oh my god I can't be bothered I know that a lot of people didn't watch savers because they were now 13 and 14 and thought they were too old for Digimon and they were so they probably stopped watching digital at that time I didn't watched out a squad when it came out I don't even know I I had access to it might have been on cable I don't know I didn't didn't see it advertised anyway I don't even think I saw the toys what's your favorite starter squad my favorite was squirtle Charmander and Bulbasaur I loved starter squad anyway onto the show but did you news this week flossing use lightning one unfortunately we

1:32 delayed last week's monger podcast about the start of digimon next and this is delayed due to timing the week before we released like there were there was episodes out for five days straight week before so we gets a break so this time it's only delayed a week we will do it next week hopefully recording maybe this weekend maybe sometime after work next week not sure but we will try to get it done and out by Wednesday our time probably Wednesday afternoon evening maybe it's the evening would come out by I have no idea well it depends on when we record it but definitely Wednesday evening or Wednesday night and then also the end of season summary survey has been put together I haven't actually posted about it because I've been super busy at work this week and to busy after work as well so I haven't had much time to put it like its together I just haven't sent it up our

2:18 professional survey we've ever done because you have so much more experience of surveys now a year later in the three years so I actually send it out like when I'm sending the raw route for this podcast so we'll be out tonight I'm obviously like twelve hours before the actual full release of this episode when it's all edited and also there's no I'm not synopsis this week because we saw a movie and we don't do not synopsis for movies yeah especially when they're non yeah basing non canonical and nonsensical and neither will be the one for next week because that's a recap yeah that's a recap so no I'm not synopsis till and you can't me do for cross wars the first episode of cross war so it'll be I can try with a few basic details the title never that's really done in the summary episode at the end we've done that for every other season we've had a segment where we talked about the next season yes and we watch the opening I show you

3:05 photos I show you the Digivice I said there won't be a segment at the beginning of two episodes for me man I will be recording that not from here I'll be recording from your house or from being other players yeah because I'm moving also I guess that's a little bit not last news like you want I'm hopefully moving with a friend in fact we may skip an episode so that you can move and everything will be smooth because that is it's actually a very involved process no one would blame you if that derailed some things in your life no I don't have Saturday morning to edit for example yeah wake up early no you you're gonna be moving the stuff and not at like 6:00 in the morning then you should be sleeping to get energy for movies done fine it's really so I'm I'm actually moving in with a friend we've mentioned it before it's Brady I'm gonna get him on the show one day and that

3:52 episode will never come out because man that it's he's like Matt but not as bad yeah cuz we'd hit the sensor everything he says maybe like you're just talking yes sir I'd love Matt to be on the podcast but I don't think I can you could with just the whistle going over everything he says yeah it'll be like hi Matt how you doing pppp no but you may maybe I'll get Brady on the podcast one day cuz I'll be I'll be live hopefully living with him I sent the application to join his lease and it's a big four minutes drive away from my house at the moment solid it's very far it's us but basically near where I was born so I have not moved very far in my life so yeah I guess that's biggest news will be either recording at the apartment or will be recording at Jay's depending on how hot it is because the my I guess future potential flatmate

4:37 does not like using the aircon because it's expensive so it is often like 50 degrees well there are two people it will be less of an issue I keep on saying it's okay weakens weak and stuff but we both of us can pay for the aircon you think now it's fine like no no it's not it's 50 degrees in your apartment most of the time no you should be volunteering to pay for it then yeah I think I might but both of us get both of us some migraine sufferers but in any case releases may may change or may sound different for a bit as we get things together um yeah we're not sure if what we work on the apartment because it's a very small apartment or if I'm recording with J's but it will we'll work that out onto the show the movie starts off with a sad oh c'mon crying in the rain and he's looking at Massaro in some sort of pod you mean pool of pee that's a bit upon a

5:24 yellow liquid so we see all these like part like he's pods yeah sure they're like in spider silk I guess which is something that I think it wants you to not think about later because it is never ever explained it looks very alien as well yeah and so the quicker she let's rewind slightly to the opening credits which are just visions of the city and because everything's covered in plants I'm like oh this is digital world okay and it becomes very clear I think what the feeling they wanted you to have is oh it's the digital world oh wait no there's too many buildings also there's a human there it must be the real world oh god what's happened cuz it's in the sepia tone and there's a lot of stuff there to make it feel not real yeah and so you see this girl in blue you like who is that I've never seen that character before then you see ugh one crying in the rain the rain is both easy I can cry normally it's not raining anymore

6:09 these pods and only some of them you can see inside only the ones that matter hmm but what I just want to say that the whole like the way that the city's gone up it does look like it's been a while since it's been populated yeah it is busted up it's almost like the last scene in spirited away where she's just gone home and everything's like growing over like the car's grown over just to show that the passage of time and similarly the first thing that's basically said is at La Romana Cameron show up and they go oh you're still here like as if the kids have been in these pods for a as you l-'alamin and Callum want to both given up basically they've said you still here why why so yeah well you media philias it was like a week but it could have been any note it could be a month or more yeah um also we don't have a couto or Falcom on anywhere in the whole movie and I just wanted because I

6:55 didn't actually realize that a coot on Falcon 1 what we're missing until we were watching the Digimon savers character songs earlier and they had like the art from savers and I'm just like oh accursed one foul c'mon we're not in this movie no they were they're not here they would literally never mentioned once yes so they just they're not part of this at all which is weird because they always like they were always on the same level as at least you know right yes you'd think as low as Yoshino is that's the level that they were so I just found that a bit weird because she's like they steal characters like akuto and falcon what they've been identified that it's the vines that's keeping the kids asleep hmm and there's some interesting questions about this whole mechanic that I have and they're like why do the vines put these people to sleep and I don't think

7:41 that's ever satisfactorily answered I don't have the mechanics of it I mean like why are they asleep and you can have your knee-jerk reaction of well the bad guy doesn't like humanity so we put them all to sleep but if you didn't like them why wouldn't he just kill them I can't figure out why the thing just puts them to sleep know that that is a main question like argument looks pretty much strong enough to kill a human maybe it's easier to put them all into pol pods and killing you know billions and billions of humans but if you can travel your vines everywhere and control them what's the word pre if they're all prehensile you can strangle them yes I just stab them with the thorns or strangle them all like it would just go this could be easily explained if we just said that they were his life source and know what he was like the matrix yeah we're just like he is a plant and he digs his roots into the ground and that's he gets like nutrients from the ground but instead of that he's gained

8:27 the nutrients from the people that would have made sense if he's like fing at the end of the movie hadn't been Oh a mad now I'm just gonna destroy the planet because I hate you yeah like if destroying the planet was within or killing all humans was within the parameters of his original plan there is no reason he wouldn't have already done it go blamin and an oh c'mon are chasing the girl that we saw before and oh c'mon girl Montand l-'alamin go to rescue her and what I notice in this whole bit is the animation seems to be a lot hi a budget than the whole of the actual series well that would make sense they got a full movie budget for 20 minutes it looks really good not for writing but enough for 20 minutes of animation except for later on when we see like other one from far away and it's kind of like this a bit of a smear model it's like for about 30 seconds he just like looks really strange my favorite one of the silly things I've got here is you

9:13 really have to like understand the context of what argument is saying or the things he says and does seems funny for example the reason he goes off to rodeos we have to help that sir we have to go off to hose what he says that's what a man would do and he'll write down ah yes chasing after a fleeing woman of what a man would do then he hits a fly ball to the face protector then like a man would do he drags it down an alley actually back to what he says like he does quote Massaro a lot in this film this is the best part of the movie yes I'm doing the thing Massaro would do the best part of the movie for me and yes I do love how Massaro only one was quoting Massaro and saying what wouldn't what would an Aikido constantly talking about Aniki and saying what Aniki would say is l'olam on fighting with the sausage so ok you mean that's that's one bit it's

10:00 actually a theme about the entire movie is this weird karate plant and I'm so I do this in the series because she's like she does she's fighting one of the digit one later and she does the big punch to the stomach and it's the funniest thing it's one of the it's the funniest thing in the movie by a long time I'm okay I would again disagree with you I really liked what she's like she just beats it up like the girl went up with the sausage and then she still spin the air and it's just got my pie in it eating meat it's the Venus flytrap not though the other part that maybe I liked is and I guess it's all had this scene and make me up like this scene is just all fighting with sausages sometimes and three-minute scene of science and reason holding like a pen it's quite like this is my effect the best problem movie is this entire scene maybe yes Priya anyway so another part that I like is Lala Mons

10:46 eating the sausage and rhythm is also in the sausage and oh c'mon shows up and he wants to also eat a sausage and then Galman stop like he beats up on a coffee more turns around says can I have one - yes cute it is like this parlor maybe you're just like yeah this is this is really good and I just I think I enjoyed it mainly because of this this intro scene and it's such a you can see there's I go strong autistic directions of this like they had nice and I just had a budget or like they must have they must have had all their ideas on paper and then when they got to animating it they were like told by the way these are your constraints now yeah because it it just always feels like there's there's something good and then there's a restriction rhythm tells the characters that argument wants to destroy the world I've called her my notes Maiko because she's like this random newcomer who's the center of

11:31 everyone's attention for no reason she's clear that was important person on the screen she calls oh c'mon a frog like mr. frog I don't understand why she does this well it's a running gag and in digital and savers oh c'mon is constantly called a frog by humans yes it is also weird that rhythm is a Digimon so here's the thing I am 100% convinced and I had forgotten she had this hat on at by the end of the movie because by the end of movie she has her hat off as his little wings under on her head uh-huh I didn't occur to me I was going back to get my screenshot of the week that the reason she has her hat on and she says his frog stuff and her name is rhythm and not rhythm on is because the fact that she is a Digimon is meant to be a big surprise and reveal and so there must have been a change of plans at some point where they go well we can't make

12:16 it a plot anymore Christian that she no longer does anything important so she's just gonna be on a bone just be like oh yeah by the way I'm a Digimon which is the most anticlimactic uninteresting thing it would be a big reveal or maybe she has amnesia and she doesn't remember that she's a Digimon then she knows she takes it off and she's like oh no but I'm a Digimon Rajee has this big attack any questions why weren't you captured by these things literally no one ever asks hmm and you was there every moment where they like they took the hell up and they focus on the wings like a surprise no no no they didn't because they don't care and it seems to me there was an idea for a movie and I think those ideas were interesting one of the things they say at the end is fascinating but there's just nothing you can they throw them all out the door because well we have to have them all fight see this you know how we said that X evolution feels I can't miss it seemed

13:02 like it missed a bit of explanation like it needed a bit more time but also it needed less time if that makes sense no this one needs an extra half an hour this one definitely needs another half an hour like I think they yes I think I agree with you it doesn't feel it does feel like it needs to be longer I feel like they just sort of it ended very abruptly I also think the plot of movie must have been changed significantly from about that the boat scene onwards because like the way it all ends and it just it just does the standard Digimon thing all the way to the end like literally this could be any filler episode of the season and you wouldn't have noticed the difference yeah I feel like they must have changed that as well because especially have rhythm was not involved yeah no rhythm basically if you took rhythm out nothing would have changed why wouldn't they start calling her rhythm on I have no idea well she says

13:48 she likes me called rhythm she must not be a digital actually this reminds me of one of the digital adventure 0 2 CD dramas it was called I believe the doors to summer where Daisuke goes to visit Mimi and also meets Willis has come back to life and is now a baby so cute um and I asked him it's a girl and he falls in love with her name's not suit yes means summer I believe she's not zoom on for real though she's actually Digimon course she is that's a plot line in it all did you want stuff yeah and then 0-2 and then the end like she's like I wish you could have been my my chosen child and then she goes away and he looked I wish you could be my girlfriend puberty's confused girlfriend mom and

14:35 you know it just reminds me of ex I feel like that's the only two times we've seen like a human who's a Digimon I also really do like rhythms design though it's fine it's decent there's nothing wrong with it she would she would fit in just fine as a chosen child because she is just enough going on you like she's distinctive but not enough going on that she's weird the fairy wings could honestly just be a hair tie basically that's for a while in the credit scene we actually see come on with it on with what on the the young ribbon I didn't notice yeah so at the end says I could they've got sort of a blueprint is the guitar guy in the credits the guy just playing the music but it's it's really cute he's got the UM he's got the tie in his head it's really cute what weird about this movie yeah it's got the wings on well with you know in this movie is this point here and what makes it feel like what's going on just isn't real he's

15:22 makers like oh yeah by the way it's all going on and all the digital partners go what the hell is an Argo Mon like they have they've not only do they not know what has happened they've not known what happened for like a month and they've just been staring the entire time not get out and this would be fine because that's actually interesting for once in ever the first the first time ever a Digimon show but whatsoever it did one show like whether main carriages are not the center they weren't at the center of all the problems they wouldn't know what's going on it's a mystery something weird has happened yeah however when she takes them over to the castle which is the size of a skyscraper and has big purple jewels poking out of it and they're like is you guys that's Allegan wants castle and they go whoa we didn't see that before it's also like the Beanstalk in Digimon frontier to be fair at that one that's

16:08 the thing where you're in the digital world and you go and maybe it's a weird thing that you didn't see on camera but this is like oh one of the buildings transformed I guess we never noticed it's like in digital times if they were trying look for the D Reaper and they were still it's still the government metropole the Tokyo Metropolitan government building this still has a big day rape on it yeah and they just looking on saying where's the D Reaper where's the diri proposed jury and then someone says up and they actually I do think that I'm alga one looks like vandamm on cross with the D Reaper basically and a bit like Mephisto Mon in the timer's movie as well bout of adventures I think it's just because he looks like a generic bad guy sort of thing when he evolved he looks a bit like Majora's Mask I think it's maybe because of the colors though but when you see when you see his

16:54 face he just looks like the masked woman Majora's Mask you know the mask then we have a scene where they're all fight they're going to fight and go up to top of our game on Galman leaves to fight some coffee model it was a random choice of Digimon by the way and also like it's the exact same thing that happened when they went to the a grizzle tree like it's literally the same when they all separate gone left first and then not l-'alamin lives second so by the way we learned that l-'alamin is able to carry rhythm and Agumon with just herself she's never been able to do that she's very strong I always got the sense that she wasn't flying she was hovering yeah but now it is clear she is flying she's carrying them quite well and it's really confusing about why they don't evolve considering we know that they can evolve without their partners just with emotion yeah but maybe they don't care enough yeah well they have given up about their partners being alive now they feel

17:40 zetsuborg that's a ball spare key but that's but that's not gonna get annoying so then l-'alamin leaves to fight then Agumon is at the top and Uman not i'll Goemon that's not gonna get it okay says that he's the bad guy and argument says the humans are evil because they soil the earth for money and destroy the natural environment I kind of liked this because and you look the way you're looking at me you're saying that you didn't like this : I like this because he is like a plant dude and he's very like you know natural environment and he's annoyed the humans who are likes all in the natural environment and that's a lot better than just saying humans are corrupt humans will do anything for money or power it's explicitly not what he like humans do to each other but it's just what humans do the environment and this is a very good point like I know it this is not said in any of digital savers I feel like it's a

18:25 new take on the humans are awful counterpoint he's a digital one from the digital world so eh why does he care what they do to earth because he's not from there his environment is a different environment he relates to it but why did he come over to do this because he still thinks of it I think he likes all environments I think he likes earth I think he'd because he's not saying I wanted to take over and second all how does he know what money is this digital world doesn't have it we don't know that well we've never seen any evidence of it something we don't know it and like he doesn't he's motivation while it's like yeah it's environmentally based it doesn't really make sense because well first of all how could this did you wanna exist also I mean that whole section of the digital world being absolutely covered in these volumes rebuttal he actually does say the problems that the humans have caused in their own environment has

19:11 started to affect the digital world environment that makes no sense it's the digital world it has no effect the more technology we make to hurt our environment the better off the digital world should be I'm just saying I feel like that's fine second second of all why if he thinks humans are so dangerous did he put them to sleep and not kill them and then if he is so into the environment why would he say he's gonna destroy the world also where are the other Digimon where a point chess more night chess one I get irrelevant kudamon if he's so environmentally friendly why would his response to are you hit me in the face be I'm going to destroy the earth I feel like that shows him losing his temper but if you know you don't completely lose track of the reason you'll do as he does say it's because it's affecting the dinner world but then why would he not kill the humans or destroy the earth from the beginning I don't understand

19:57 why he does these things oh c'mon says the usual thing of like but UNAC is good humans may be bad but Aniki is good which is actually a very weak argument in the case where you're not talking a human nature you're talking about these are the things that everyone has already done and that yeah yoga didn't contribute but there's six point million billion others who did on the other hand when it was just crude I did a bad thing and I'm reacting to that event which we found out was seven years ago in the recap like that's different because you can you can just separate him out but this is no humanity to all these things reaction is actually just dumb written reflects on how the Digimon are fighting for humans so then she pleads with Agumon and says if she thinks the humans can be good and it goes nowhere yes so as I said we said before rhythm could just be removed like I do honestly

20:43 feel like there was meant to be some relation between rhythm and Agumon it is implied at the end and it is the coolest idea and yet it is not explored at all at the very end when she has the alcaman egg in her hand yeah she goes now I think I have the strength to fight I'll go mom that's a weird thing for her to say when he's been defeated and he's an egg and one assumes that when you hatch out you've got no memories then you'll start all over again the implication to me is that they have been doing this as a cycle forever maybe once maybe that's why she's called rhythm like it's this sort of its nature but nature also needs to be controlled because it will go wild otherwise it could be she's keeping the rhythm she's like the homeostasis kind of like she desires to bility and she's sort of like a god in the way that she has to keep things in the rhythm she has to keep

21:28 things equal and I think that's really interesting and obviously the movie has nothing to do with that but it could have and it could have been this cool balance between like the big Digimon monster thing and the human side of Digimon is like she's clearly human life you know maybe maybe she's meant to be holding the rhythm between the digital world in the human world and then nature's that interact between the two balance and harmony are both better words for if she was called harmony this would make way more sense yeah it's fine c'mon it could be Digimon harm on harmony that's alright as well like there's so many ways that could have done this common to harmony yeah I wonder if there's a basis for our goemon I haven't thought of any particularly if it was our Boehm on it would make more sense well there's already an album on

22:14 me so like it was the basis of like an interesting story in here maybe this is this is a lot like frontier except frontier gave it a shot and failed whereas this one didn't even give it a shot yeah so the rest of this movie like literally the rest of this movie is just a Digimon fight okay um it's meant to be algum on as in algorithm algo rhythm that makes way more sense that makes a lot more sense so it's not I'll go on it's okay oh come on come on I'll go and rhythm yes that's cute I'll go but there's still no that the movie doesn't tell us this no it never does because it's not is not it doesn't matter if rhythm was not in this movie the only thing that would have changed

22:59 is that the dinner wouldn't have known about where arguments basis accept that arguments base is so giant and massive you couldn't miss it and his plan had no time limit on it hmm in fact you could argue and I think this I think this argument is strong the only reason that they were being attacked by Digimon getting to the tower was because rhythm was there yes well the government went attacking oh c'mon Galman l-'alamin they were taking rhythm and you wouldn't need to climb up inside the tower because obviously l-'alamin is strong enough to carry both Galman and algum on by themselves yes they would have been perfectly fine on their own basically there was an argument to be made that the only thing that she did really was be a human face although she is not human while so

23:44 Augmon has something to protect and that's what makes him particularly strong mm-hmm but that's dumb that's like not a good answer oh so I think I might have been wrong about not one coming back in the in the adventure zero to drama skinny it is called the door to some of them and is about someone so basically algum Agumon gets sick of talking and he has a big fire shoot on alga Mons face and despite I'll go am on being a perfect yeah not actually all that intimidating it was also a plant and he's setting fire to a plants you can almost say that he's just oh come on didn't we beat him he just sort of set fire to him that's not how green plants work you can set fire to them that they if you have a green plant they don't they're not flammable go grab like a fresh green you can't set it on fire you can burn

24:31 through it eventually but like well to be fair he evolves so no no he no but like when I was shooting fire out of his face at a perfect level vision if you take a handful of leaves and throw on fire they're not gonna birth it's gonna smoke the whole thing is you take dry you take dried leaves write a note yeah yeah that's that's how that works so I'll just does it and it makes him so angry so I'll destroy the planet because I'm angry and then argument falls off the thing with with rhythm and no one saves them they just don't take fall damage when they hit the ground no but also what I know is watching this is that I'm pretty sure that the the voice of argument if this had an English dub would be the voice of literally every bad guy and have the dear boram on voice every time because I feel like it would just fit but we've had that voice

25:16 in basic every season it's just the bad guy basically he was also cooker p1 was a true beam on I always say c'mon because the d-tector also argument evolves at the stage yeah I thought you said oh come on for a second venom I'll go mom you know if you just caught a gum on but he's the ultimate version that makes no sense some days you want to just like that he's not submit mode some Digimon just don't change their name as they evolve give another example Wayman is one more adult and while I'm on perfect that's really stupid there's a few digit one who do that yes some Digimon who have the same name like from child's to ultimate I just can't remember their names also when he hits I with the first the fire blaster the first time and he does the evolving stuff all the vines die and shrivel and die and now at this

26:03 point Alec ones on the ground and he's struggling and I've literally written my notes spoiler the vines died so masaru's obviously awake and he's gonna come by and help out c'mon and thirty ten to thirty seconds later exactly that happens which is kind of annoying like I kind of was enjoying the this the interesting nature of just having digital man I think I like it but the problem is it was too obvious and it was so obvious that the show then lies to you when Massaro goes yeah your attack woke like your attack woke up the fire in my heart no it didn't so it doesn't know how he woke up and sorry just saying that sounds good because that's what a man would the problem to me is that Massaro acts as though he knows what our goemon said and what happened on the roof there is

26:49 no way he could possibly know unless he was watching the whole time just waiting no he was in the pod yes he was in the pod on the other end of this we just awake in the pod but they may be conscience even if you're awake you can't see multiple kilometres away yes in fact how did he get there so quickly good point yes because it was also then he had twenty minutes there is an answer you could have given me it would have made me really laugh it's that they fight against common sense or and bear with me here did you did you not see the recap episode yeah okay so to clarify what happens in the recap episode is multiple times they will talk about something that happened and say was it made no sense ie teleporting into a fireball or like when huggin one evolves but it doesn't evolve it just I want but bigger and laser and they go what's up with that like they literally just asked

27:34 what happened Aniki I we fight against common sense it's what we do really what they should have a spin-off series where Massaro and Agumon go to you know England maybe Great Britain it's called anarchy in the UK and we are on to the homestretch of a big Godzilla style fight because Missouri whoopsy makes punches are the one most important thing straight up and then it brings out the Jo gray so this mode is nice and the swords gonna break so Ellie Vogue said we should count how many times it's useful lobsters introduction the answer

28:20 is zero because it breaks every two other time it's it has more deaths than Liam on no it doesn't that's not sure if he's broken three times the ones don't weigh more than three times in this series yes the sword doesn't exist elsewhere no but in this series Liam on his own he died twice twice and the Lord has died more than twice only because of this movie it was equal before this they've broken as many souls as they had broken Liam on and so there's a big Godzilla style fighting in the bay for whatever reason and Messara says how humans are foolish but they can change and realize their mistakes and that's evolution which is more or less what he says in this series at some point like I'm pretty sure that exact line also it's fine it occurred this is true this is a bit where I go why is he saying that he does not know what the bad guys motivation is he has never been told he

29:06 couldn't possibly know this is a response to anything I'll go mom was saying so in my mind he goes what all the bad guys are angry about this so why wouldn't that be the problem and then yeah but what happens and he wins and it occurs to me Olga moon has nothing going on yeah think about every bad guy in every movie they have some advantage they have something special about them in this movie besides the vines thing I think Amon has nothing going on it just still had something like you just wanted to reboot the world no I don't mean like a motivation I mean like a power and in the movies so that was a god that's not relevant sorry I'm at next evolution that's what I'm it was it was a crystal ball and I think that's something going on but for moreover I'm thinking of like um in the

29:54 0-2 movie they were brought into like the red extra world and they were but that's what it was yeah and then in hurricane touchdown it was like reality bending it was time travel he put people back in yeah he reversed the clock on that crazy that's special in the first movie so you know a war game he was super multiplied in the very first prologue thing it came out of the sky like and it was a big bird we never ever saw her again yeah but I am shocked the paramon isn't seen in more things cuz that's one of the first digit one we see and you guys he's pink he I think he's even in the V pets I think he might be in the pendulum maybe it occurs to me that they made a huge mistake with that not being a koala one yeah it was

30:40 clearly meant to be um but yeah so the in every movie the bad guy has something going on even like when they're like a train so that there is an interesting thing to the fight but there is so little time in this episode the only thing that they can have in the fight is the direct fighting and shot churn through those evolutions cuz that's all the kids care about so you keep on calling in an episode because that's basically what it is it's an episode link yeah turn through the evolutions that's all I don't cares about you'll just win the fight there's nothing interesting going on said the only thing that does is arguably like when he gets to like when Messiah gets to burst mode rhythm touches the device does nothing I think this may be because this movie came out before the introduction of burst mode so this is an alternate introduction to burst mode that's why it's called activate the power burst mode like it's some sort of big title big important title even though it

31:26 doesn't have actually anything to do with the movie like what would you call this movie I would call this movie like invasion of the invasion of the partner snatches invasion or something involving like the whole dude was a goblin follow I'll go on it must be that right how lazy is that and well I know I think um would one evolves into album one that's fine but I'm trying to work out if God wanted what if I was in the woodland but basically the bad guy when he's actually fighting birth great bursts that buzz very much shine Greymon all he does is punch he does nothing interesting and then so and at this point you go think back in the movie what is there anything interesting about this movie right is there a story

32:12 to be told here that means they should have it and the only interesting thing in this movie is rhythm and only because they're a mystery yes and that's never talked about and it may it'll not have existed and then rhythm appears to add that power for the final evolution but clearly doesn't she's just yelling and then shinegreymon wins easily like no struggle just wins but there's so much damage to the city that how could they not have noticed it and then rhythm takes the egg of the bad guy just says I'm going home now unless this is just after the Kurata fight and the world is already in turmoil because that's the only that's the only time this could take place though no but it couldn't because like everything happens immediately after the Kurata fight because the worlds connected would be the reason okay argument sees that the

33:00 worlds are connected and he's just like these are the humans fault and this is how what this is what he meant when he says that the what the humans have done has affected the Doodle world but it couldn't be that right because the moment Kurata fight ends the digital world is in the sky in this movie it's not okay it's good point and at the at the very end of the story the first thing that happens in Massaro goes away world forever but I just think that's the only part this movie could take place is after Kurata and it clearly doesn't because we had we had burst mode during the Kurata yes yes that was news but we didn't have miragegaogamon burst mode because that was in raw nut sack well tom is not in this movie yes but I'm just saying that that's fine but I still think it's probably like the only time it could be is after Kurata but it couldn't be anyway so and then she says

33:46 I'm taking the eggs yeah and I can definitely I can now fight him I have the courage to fight which is a weird thing because it obviously implies so much more going on she should have become like her Digimon form at this point or like what did you want for me she has wings on her head yeah but just says all my real name is ridden or whatever yeah she never does they keep calling her rhythm-chan the whole time I can't figure out why she said you look like a frog all the did you one know each other they know what that is that's an album on and this is not actually didn't when she's lying no she is she wasn't action I feel like she should have been like a Jan I sort of thing but that's what this was meant to be like it was meant to be like uh-oh like an oh my god moment of course she wasn't captured someone was meant to ask why weren't you captured by the vines yeah is that why the girl we want to chasing you no it's because she's the enemy of their boss and if I still feel like that she is she

34:31 shouldn't have been a Digimon she should have been like a Jedi if I am neither human nor did you know I guess I think that she's just given the her name at the end or just been homeostasis or whatever and then she says I love you to Ogden and she but I know it's not I know enough I know enough Japanese says she didn't say I stood her she said Daisuke also LeMans and then it just ends and then there was no she kisses and then and then and also the end credits have her re and the bassist who is hanging out with rhythm and a good one which is the best part of this movie actually the better sorry the best part of movie is the sausage fight the to me actually I like the sausage bit but it was the second version when she does the big punch goes where's like it's not just a

35:18 thing you did once it's now you take yourself really seriously what I think is missing I think this bits funny I don't think it belongs on l'olam on it's obviously way too late for it and there's just it doesn't make any sense what would have made way more sense is for pal maan to have this stuff and draw the connection to her being a sir yeah that's fair like she's not for a while and then she just she becomes toga Mon and then when she default she's just picked some stuff up yeah she's all punchy they'd be super funny like that well we have thoughts about this movie I've basically said all of them I feel like they had an idea and then they were told you have 20 minutes and they're like well there's no way for us to fit an idea into that time so we give up or alternatively like they were halfway through writing an idea and then they were told we're releasing this tomorrow you have to give it to the animators now

36:04 oh like they wrote an hour and a half movie or an hour maybe like just a 60 minute movie as all the other ones have been or even a 45 minute movie because I'm pretty sure the majority of the dismal movies have been 45 minutes or an hour and this one is probably the shortest maybe definitely 21 minutes easily that's an episode see it's shorter than an episode I personally found that Massaro showing up kind of ruin the movie and it became more or less like a big fight at the end I don't think it necessarily ruin the movie yeah but what it needed to be was the way V Thema does it where like when they work together it's a big deal yes but the thing is he just shows up and he's a did you vise alternatively getting you're right about the whole V timer strategy thing but alternately have it like what do we do without humans we can't evolve we have to work together and we have to show strategy because he's a perfect level and we're

36:50 just three children and I would have really liked to see them use some strategy like they were using the opening theme without sort of fighting and interacting and doing things and each having their own strengths but I feel like it could have done more of the atman way of like strategizing working together the digimon is stronger than us what are we gonna do really the problem with that is that would mean that you have to take the focus off of alcaman as the only character that matters yes because remember Galman and Lou and l'olam on are connected to Thomason Yoshi and they don't matter rhythm only thanked oh c'mon she said thank you um I actually thought that was really funny like I'm so stupid Palamon and Galman separated and also still fought la lamont actually fought the most in the opening part like she would have protected her design the focus of the opening part there was more time spent with la Lamont and her sausage than Galman or argument put

37:36 together like the opening theme the opening was just la Lamont protecting rhythm and rhythm was there she knows my crime-fighting with her life wise and rhythm say Thank You l-'alamin for protecting me directly or but being so cool with that sausage and then giving me some sausage that was great yeah give me the sausage like I'm sorry la la more did amazing in this inside a gallon so I didn't know no but now as I was saying I feel like they could have addressed the handicap of not having humans there to evolve despite we know that they can evolve without the did you soul and I'm just I know I feel like it could have been this really great strategy thing we're trying to work out oh how do we fight Oh we'll have to your strategy and we use like the strength of lalamon lalamon you know being really useful with the hordes of gobby mom instead of you know leaving like leaving gum on leaving la Lamont to

38:21 fight the GABAA Mon song no singsong she literally can put things to sleep that's true we got anything like she's able to put groups of things to sleep it's fine how come she never used sing a song with like that oh we have to fight argument oh we know the hordes of God we mana distracting us I would argue so that given this new version of her character she just really likes to fight she's punch my name is Lala maan and I love to fight yeah it was basically an extra episode but there's no where as I said before the good like it's it's after Kurata but the Digimon humans are together so it can't be like after the the show and oh no it feels like this there was an episode that they wrote the script of and they really really liked but they couldn't fit it in but also maybe they

39:06 wrote it as a movie but they wrote it as too long of a movie I don't know and again lalamon Galman being mainly more or less really useless and though the second half of it kind of was annoying cuz I'm just like why is oh c'mon to focus like mmm and I kept feeling like rhythm was going to do something really really really cool like oh maybe be linked to alga 1 in some way besides the end part which are just like we did we just know the name and that's it and also they recognized each other yes but there was no like we didn't get any story besides like I can now fight argument despite him being in an egg I think there's like a full series of interview questions for Jeff Nimoy just based on this movie what if name I didn't make the movie he didn't make was it oh no ok then for the

39:51 career well I'm sure he would have like known why they didn't I mean I'm gonna ask him why you know he said I was bad I mean it wasn't bad I enjoyed it because it was yea badly received what was the rating are you give it a five because it wasn't painful to watch but it was otherwise nothing interesting happy I gave it hate just because of the I really liked the opening but I have you've rethought that area but I have to dump I'm gonna have to put it down to like a 6.5 or a seven maybe a six because it was it was okay it was fine it wasn't terrible it could have been better like this how often do we say oh it could have been better if it was longer very really we often say manse would be like hurricane touchdown was improved upon in the English dub because they took out half an hour that is true because that movie sucked and we could always feel like oh maybe if they cut out this half an hour like a vex

40:37 evolution and put in half an hour in place which was explanation explanations that would throughout the movie that would that would have improved X evolution greatly I have a theory could be bunnies my theory is that perhaps I was wrong about this maybe the movie was a full length complete one hour thing that was completely done but it was so bad yeah it made so little sense they had to cut it down to what it is and maybe we should we should be thankful because it's entirely possible that rhythm is a character that ruins all of Digimon yes I don't know if that's true but I there is a possibility that a version exists there's full-length and terrible like hurricane touchdown which was typically midi-chlorian Terry yeah because hurricane touchdown still wasn't

41:22 amazing an English dub or she says like I'm a hybrid I have like one human parent of one Digimon parent and I'm like what humans can achieve and that was cool until they thought about it and that's why alga man hates it like it miss all their total maybe he she's his daughter these are all theories and they're all kind of interesting yeah they're also reasons you would cut it forever I'm fascinated I wonder if the director or writer are still alive so the next evolution cuz yes cuz they're both more or less human free movies yeah it's better the next evolution because evolution was boring and sucked and this thing had funny moments in it and was not long so I can't sit like I go to the end of this it was like no I like with all Digimon I was like I wish I hadn't had to do that but having had to do it it was like well that was fine

42:07 it could I just feel like feeling from X evolution yeah oh no and you're like I have to watch this again for the podcast the whole time we've been watching Digimon as the pot with the podcast before we did X evolution you said I have to watch X evolution again wanted to die now seen it again still want to die now let's rank all the digital movies because this is the last digit my movie until try cool alright so worst one the worst one is X evolution III I thought I already had I have done my ranking oh dear oh damn I'm ranking just so you know ii was i touchdown good sixth i have battled adventurers even though i kind of liked it which ones that it's the one with the dog that dies in the water original the train one is worse runaway la come on yeah that's worse that was okay no but it's just it's boring battle adventures at least kind of something happens in it mmm like the training nothing happens in it okay what

42:55 about in fifth of fifth place it in a safe place i have a bell adventure sort so there are eight x evolution is my bottom gonna start again cuz i next evolution hurricane touchdown low come on a battle of adventurers okay i've got that the other way around i've got battle adventures then run away low come on our fourth one I have Digimon the frontier movie because that was actually quite okay yeah it was like that was probably the best part of frontier yeah and how often do we say wow the best part of that series was the movie that was the worst of the decent movies yeah yeah third I have Digimon Adventure which is the prequel if you count it sure I'd definitely count it then for the second one I have da Bronwen Strikes Back mm-hmm yeah I guess first place our war games yeah obviously yes so zero civil wars so

43:40 much better okay my favorite movie hands down I love that so just to run it through eighth place was exhibition um the only one that Jay and I disagreed on was hurricane touchdown and battle adventure I know how condition we agreed on so that was seventh our sixth and fifth we disagreed on um we have five adventures in runaway LA come on and then we reversed it for Jay I would tie them for six yeah that's fair yeah no I feel like the Train one's a little bit better because it had something it focused on rookie it had like did it I don't really anything about it was a train had like Ricky have like having like a moment about her father and she was really sad super became like she became sort of like the dear a perjury and shot tried to kill Takata which dog remember that no side I had shots of

44:26 pipes there on the train she starts like trying to kill him with the pipe I was the haunted train yes that was that was crap it was fine no but and then this Digimon frontier movie in 4th place which best part of frontier yeah and then digital adventure in third place which is the prequel Dearborne one strikes back in second place and a war game in first place hmm and yeah and then we got nothing into a try scratch of the week I have l-'alamin and sausages because that was the best scene in the whole movie on one's face and he's like yeah and just like vomits fire on him la la Mo's faces in basically all the background shots are amazing like Shi hoo whoever did this is really like wanted la la want to be as a motive as

45:11 possible they just had a higher animation budget in the first place no but no I'm just saying that la la ma is constantly like every in in savers she's always doing a dirt face whoever animated this wanted la la want to always be reacting to what was going on I think whoever made this favorite character is it's the money they saved on the recap where she's never checked never moves at all that's because la la one doesn't have any emotion there were Digimon introduced in these episodes I'll come on I already talked about it rhythm well she sure is Cardcaptor Sakura sure is but I will show you digi world which we haven't had for a while we have the cytosine everything we have the save as character songs which was searched by le vogue all the characters have them except for Yoshino and l-'alamin who don't have the nut because their eyes don't care about them that appears though they're actually idols and they

45:58 cost a lot more and they didn't have the money money to pay them as well is yeah all these songs suck yeah um compared to the other seasons of Digimon which have had quite good character songs especially at Mon especially at ones good far away so much like it's really hard to say which ones your least favorite um I guess you just won but that's also quite good it's um jujin singing and then off once saying things he doesn't like and off oh yeah jump jump I feel that course is really annoying the rest of its good and then there's I guess raise the second was but I also really like that because raised like singing and Hackman's like just talking I love that he's like I'll sing it and what are you doing right stop it come on no chill please stop singing and he's like replying to it like making jokes

46:44 and being thankfully adorable and then um Astro Museum was really good airy and DoCoMo's really good heroin got smells really good but as back to savers like the guy sounds like I didn't care much like it's cute that oh c'mon singing about eggs it was a trash song though and it sounded terrible akuto and falcon once was cute and like it didn't sound terrible in the way of like oh he's putting on a digital voice of course it would be bad the music and all these things sucks it's so no one could make this sound good isn't that how good a singer you are these songs are bad they're objectively just not fun to listen to Olivia any of them are good some of them are slightly better like the one where it's Massaro and tama together with pain question mark is probably the best song

47:30 also it has like Massaro and tama like arguing and Dhawan says hey I've mastered this special operation what's next and Thomas is too busy argue with massage to reply to his Digimon um be ethically akuto and if alcohol was quite cute galmans solo one was quite good but I mean comparatively but I know I was none of them where I was like I want to listen to that again basically how could you Ellie boy how could you but that was still okay like TT know they would don't don't lie to me and say they were okay okay cuz you like but then I immediately we Amelie snake J and I started to talk about character songs from Digimon that we do like I had to show him love serenade which is ed Imams yeah which was much better did it at a gorgeous

48:16 monkeys around here and then the stage play is always fantastic that's really fun um and we also spoke about Pokemon enamels character song gun Bochy it was really great and I miss pants snapping that was easily the only good thing in frontier and the movie and the potential law look the movie was fine pants napping is forever Ganpat sheep but yes so we listen to them we don't have much to say about them because like I said plenty I've said everything there is to say they were trash but none of them really sort of jumped out at me as phenomenal but it's it that's fine like I'm glad I haven't I have this is them before but like I guess there's a reason I probably only listen to him once or twice because they're just okay yeah sorry that we didn't really enjoy their character songs for savers that much they're also once a frontier release

49:01 know it frontier takuya's is the best frontier but and azumi's okay but yeah so that's it for the character songs the postman pat this week first up the whip for the weekly poll the question is should Spencer / the Guru have stayed dead and Digimon savers / Data Squad so total votes were 9 and Jay will read the comments and I will read the results afterwards we got one from Amonte who says before listening to this episode of the podcast I would have said yes because I would have preferred to see Massaro have to deal with the consequences of having killed his father essentially but now the head can evade Raziel brought back Spencer by aging up eventually one's digi-egg and the two are the same but sharing suger's body instead is the best ever and it's what i'm gonna be using to explain it to myself from now on Jacqueline says I'm amazed by comparison at the level of disdain shown for

49:46 frontier with their magical tears resolution in saving Hawaii and the general acceptance of Yggdrasil simply giving back suru as a gift to Messiah at 10 savers the difference is that one is magic by humans in the real world and the other one is magic by God yet to be fair each result is God like you have they're not comparable magical tears in a hospital room are different to God in his own world that presumably he's the god of and he which he's seen we've seen him do magic before he made a tree it's the whole thing yes it's critical to have subaru back and making in making it okay for messiah to disappear without argument into the digital world at the end so we can leave Sayuri in a good place of not losing both husband and son but this ending is really lame especially given that singers soul was mixed with banchelli Aman's and his body was taken

50:32 by ages he'll earlier of the two I'll take the frontier ending Koji and kiichi brothers forever although like Imani they do love the head Canon we came up with to explain how it happened but our acceptance of the event especially in mind is surprising and we kind of maintain it God did it I still would I still would think that he would should have stayed dead or be bancholeomon I think they should yeah if it's just naturally money in the body that'd be funny yeah it's like sorry it is not your father for it is I and my circus okay but you can't tell Sayuri you can't touch chicken so weird le Volk says a Subaru coming back in to life was necessary because if he hadn't Messiah would not have left for the digital world he wouldn't have abandoned his mother and sister while knowing that his dad is gone and never coming back given how much he felt responsible for

51:18 filling the father role in the family without him and since Messara leaving to be with augment forever is their favorite part of the ending they're friends they're cool with this but they think happened from a writing perspective is this the right has always planned were started to go to the digital world at the end this is for shattered both by a line in episode 2 and by the opening being going going my soul because it'll take me away subaru dying was probably not planned long in advance but was the most dramatically impactful way to do things when the story reached that point when we got to the last episode and remembered that masau'u was supposed to leave and that it would be out of character for him to do so with his dead with his dad dead so they somewhat awkwardly had usual bring zoo back I don't actually mind from an emotional reaction standpoint either because his dad's saying that would have been emotional but also emotional is the

52:04 whole diamond family being reunited again after ten years I have a lot of feelings about the diamond family okay alright so as for the results which I allegedly have closed for some reason that was smart of me so yeah so as I said we had nine total votes and I know for a fact that yes one with six votes no one with three votes what do you think should suger have stayed dead I think that it would have been fine I on the other hand no I don't like that they walked back him dying really I just don't the explanation is fine in the ending is good I think you could justify I'm sorry going away anyway he didn't saying look it's what a man has to do menace look after his family as well but Sayuri's obviously self-sufficient she's been taking care of her two kids but sorrow hasn't had a job or anything he's not

52:50 actually been doing anything other than being a man and being around the house as being a man of the house he's not been providing for them or protecting them from anything all things considered so he would have an easier time only raising one child so I don't think it would be that damaging and it's one of those things where somatically the diamond men go to the digital world and that's like the curse of the family and there's a lot of stuff you can do with that so I think it still would be better if you stayed dead yeah you um I'm still team eventually and one should have been back as well I feel like that would have greatly approved everything it was made more sense just Eve like Dave he just so brought both back and we finally have an Liam on that doesn't really die yeah but too bad Liam owns always die so we have a message at reddit Odaiba memorial who says it just wants the

53:36 stage play themselves and boy was it win they still can't believe it actually exists although the show that I was thrilled that they managed to bring van phone back as the truth I did it was really funny I always believed that he was actually just him not just like something in that body it was disappointing but it's so good that was like that was the final deal and also Demi one was there at least as far as adventure goes it's tradition can't wait for that tribe so it six still holding out for super vamp them on this very Daman in fact Oh we'll have devimon it'll be Delmon crybaby Devil May Cry no no daredevil Mon crybaby after that new anime yeah apparently it's really good I know the Internet's all on about I've only seen two YouTube titles saying is this already anime of the year and that's all I've got and that's all I

54:23 know all I know is also Devon won't cry baby Debbie want ya on YouTube we got one from the code crown he says if I recall correctly Wiz 9000 is emerging reference to whiz who released the original digital monster and Hal 9000 did we release the original one that was just Bandai anyway continue we got want to with the will from again who says date with regarding data squad they really like how it ends with Marcus go into the digital world it's a nice twist

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