Doctor Who Q&A with Dylan Holmes Williams, Jemma Redgrave, Joel Collins, and Pam Downe | FULL PANEL

0:05 I'm going to introduce these amazing people and come this side so you can see him so we have got Joel Collins who is an executive producer for Doctor Who at bad wolf so make some noise hi Joe uh we have got Dylan Holmes Williams who directed 73 yards please make some noise for him [Music] well okay we've got Pam down who is the costume designer on this season of Doctor [Music]

0:51 Who and she needs no introduction but she stars in the show as Kate Lethbridge Stewart please give her a warm welcome it's JMA r [Music] thank [Music] you wow hi guys how are we you've got microphones and water which we're going to open actually it's the Q&A done it all right hi everybody how are we hello hello hello hello hello I'm going to go

1:38 straight in with the questions because I do want these guys to have an opportunity to ask as well so Dylan I'm going to start with you that was quite an episode am I right in thinking that was your first time on working with Doctor Who as well it was yeah okay so yeah Make Some Noise he's also known for working on shows like Apple TV servant and short films like stilts and the devil's Harmony how was it working on Doctor Who oh it's amazing such an amazing kind of playground that you're given um and Joel exact producer was one of the first people I met and he kind of said you know what's so cool about this show is it's you know an anthology and so in some senses you have a kind of somewhat of a free reign to do exciting things

2:23 and put your own look look on it and you know you're not just sort of slotting into a broader story in some in in some senses so yeah so it was it was an amazing amazing experience and the whole team were incredible to work with so awesome Gemma um so you've worked on some incredible Productions yeah go on one more round of applause he's a [Applause] legend Gemma you've worked on some incredible production so what keeps you coming back to Doctor Who it everything I mean the writers are some of the greatest writers who are working today the the Chris chel wrote my very first episode in 2012 and I've worked with so many

3:09 wonderful right and to work with Russell is I mean it's an honor and a privilege um and some of the greatest actors come into to Doctor Who um and I am so lucky to have got that one episode in 2012 and to have kept coming back and I haven't messed it up yet I hope I didn't last time um so maybe there'll be more I don't know we hope so all right Pam let's talk about some of these costumes because the characters have got so many distinct looks you know Ruby through the years yeah um and the pub goers as well as Roger at gam as well can you talk to us about the

3:55 process because obviously this is a different time span that you were doing this time than this episode yeah I mean it's it's sort of it's contemporary um compared to some of the other ones we that we have done um I mean the biggest challenge was obviously um the Aging of Ruby Ruby's 19 um you know and to try and make her look older was was a huge challenge um and so how sort of how I approached it was just to try and use elements of her um sort of hero costume if you like which are her little skirts that's a cross between skirt and shorts for people that don't know um you know that she wears a lot which are checked um and um and I just wanted to use the checks again you know and we lengthened the skirts we sort of did a few things just to try and keep the feel of Ruby

4:42 but just um make make her look a little bit more mature um but that really really was a challenge definitely can I just say I'm not too far from 40 maybe like four years away and I'm really glad Ruby looked like that at 40 it just made me feel comforting do you know what I mean it was great I was like yes um Joel hello hi this episode is quite unique to Doctor Who as we rarely see the doctor it's I mean we've had do light episodes before of course um but how do you still make Doctor Who feel like Doctor Who without Doctor Who in the episode um I mean that's in some senses that's a question for everyone in the audience who will hopefully be fans of Doctor Who and will know how it feels

5:28 linked but for me the simplest um way to see this as part of the the world that I'm I'm I'm in right now the universe that I'm I'm involved in is is the fact that Russell wrote it understands it intimately it's it's um quite human themes and extraordinary um spaces places and times and so that's to me the doctor honess of it uh the themes are quite um difficult for for Ruby to deal with what she goes through um which again thematically within the world of who is is something that that sticks but but ultimately it's written by Russell he's a genius he loves Doctor Who he knows it intimately

6:14 so I guess it's always it is Doctor Who because it's written by the man you know love that yeah great it's a good answer Joe I always want to ask you 73 yards is very precise ridiculously to be honest with you how important was it to be accurate with the distance and how was that brought to life on set well you'll all probably learn in the kind of the the various things that will come out after the show but Russell um while writing the the script wanted to work out how you couldn't see someone um to tell that story of her and he walked Swansea Pier which has three foot

7:00 um kind of metal railings yards and he walked down the pier till he found a point where he couldn't see someone he was watching and he just couldn't couldn't it was too obscured to be able to really focus and see that person so but but you could still see what they were doing but they you couldn't see them so he wrote it in the script and obviously I mean I'll pass it over to Dylan ultimately um because he he wrote it in the script and uh and then we read it and and so he had worked out 73 yards based on his own calculations about about obscuring something that you could

7:47 never ever get to um and then obviously we set about trying to prove him wrong to see whether it's just to test it and Dylan I mean maybe I passed that one over to you yeah yeah so then we uh in pre-production did a bunch of kind of camera tests where we took Hillary who's brilliant brilliantly plays the old woman um up onto a kind of little Hill that just happened to be near the studio um on this you know and um we just tried out lots of different lenses and lots of different distances you know because we thought maybe 73 yards isn't really the best representation of of 73 yards you know um but of course Russell was was bang on it was basically 73 yards that was the perfect distance um and once we kind of established that we established

8:34 our lens and then on set it was just a case of um basically match cutting across all of our shots all of those POV shots so we'd kind of get an overlay up of the the correct size of the woman and make sure that she kind of looked like that every time but but yeah like Joel says it was kind of Russell's genius and just ability to and yeah as a director obviously he wanted to go in close naturally yeah but is that and I I S Russell comes on the podcast quite a bit and and he said you can't actually make out someone's face at 73 yards as well is that correct like yeah no exactly and and and yeah like Joel says I was sort of skeptical of whether that might make you feel too Ave from the character or whatever and I sort of voiced that to Russell and he was like you know just trust me just do it and do the test and see how it feels and of

9:20 course he was right yeah of course he was I also want to know how tricky it was because you were in multiple different places to do 73 yards was there any places that were like we this is just going to be a bit of a bother um no I mean we kind of would choose locations specifically because they were within the the correct range um but yeah that does become a bit of an issue because obviously it just means you have to have such a like long location which feels quite weird so like often you're looking for locations that are within a confined space or you're shooting into a kind of 90 de at 90 degree space or 180 degree space but really you're looking for like a 360 degree space so an amazing location where you're filming Millie that looks really great but then

10:05 all the way in the other direction another amazing location and I think I'm pretty I think I'm right in saying all of the povs you see are like true povs from million at that moment there's no cheats happening there so that did that that was a difficulty in the location scouting finding those two elements well you nailed it so brilliant Gema I'm going to come back to you um your character turns in this episode which is something we've not seen her do many times times um throughout the show's history was that quite fun to play and what was your experience just almost I mean you know just not being the CATE that we know and having to change direction yes I you you have to you have to imagine

10:52 you have to create an imaginative moment for yourself in that phone call that something you hear something Absol absolutely the worst thing in the world and the worst thing is connected to Millie and that's what creates that moment and it's it's it's yeah it's horrible it's it's absolutely it's awful to see on screen because that that experience of watching people just walk away from you there's some sort of deep fear that we have about people knowing something maybe or that we can't we don't have any control roll over maybe I don't know but I I it's it's chilling I think it's

11:37 absolutely awful it's like a nightmare really isn't it and I really enjoyed it and the evil laugh to go with it do you remember what you told yourself in that moment no I don't I just remember thinking that it if it's the worst worst thing in the world it must be it must be the most frightening thing in the world and I think that everybody responds to fear in a different way and Kate's response to fear she goes very cold and she goes into action and and at gillum's response is very interesting because something the

12:23 worst fear in the world is something about that that that he can't control and he just gets out of town legs it yeah yeah yeah so there's a different response from each per slightly different response from each person which is yeah I mean do you know what she said does anyone know what she says do you want me to whisper it to somebody in the audience yes and everyone will run out I I just worry about the chaos okay I just I'm gonna find out all right at some point um so Pam um we don't ever learn what this old lady's saying but how much of her mysteriousness came to play when you were designing her cume I think we sort of came to the point where we wanted her in black um you know that I think in fact I think that might have been written to the

13:08 script I can't remember exactly it was a while ago um but the key was to sort of make her Timeless so um so I sort of referenced I end up referencing um sort of elderly women elderly sort of Mediterranean Catholic women um you know who often weree black um and and at one point we were going to um we needed to cover her face or her hair so you know had I had all these ideas of putting scarves on and then that went away because I think they we ended up thinking that the hair was quite you know was quite a good image for her um so so yeah it was just trying to sort of make her look not imp period in any way but kind of Timeless I think um so we you couldn't quite work out what it was about her and what when what year she

13:54 belonged in yeah what year she belongs in or you know where she's come from but not to look too weird at the same time it's weird enough that she's 75 yards all the time but even that the fact that we can't see 73 even the fact that you can't really particularly see her so even that would have been a challenge for costume right because I guess there might be some details that we might not have been able to see well I we always knew there was going to be no detail so it was all just about the silhouette um you know we wanted do in a skirt um and um yeah and so it was it's it's yeah it's just about the silhouette and the hair you know that white hair against the black um was quite the everything's tested so much you know the decisions we

14:40 make yeah are so uh interrogated and explored and Camera tested uh everything we do on the show um is is you know is explored so whatever Pam and and the makeup team um did with the hair and the costume would have been um filmed by Dylan assessed we would have seen what the sometimes something's too sharp or or or give something away you know so we explore it yeah and we also on on the hair for the old uh the old woman we for the nighttime scenes um the cinematographer Sam K had this genius stroke of Genius idea to basically put a very very very small um and powerful light behind her on a little stand so her body is actually covering the the

15:27 the light itself but we're essentially backlighting her hair so it just has this sort of slightly creepy effect I guess it worked I was creeped out um Dylan you filmed the whole episode well not the whole episode but you filmed the episode on the Welsh Coastline in February um Wells is beautiful and I've been there it's gorgeous but it looks really cold so what was that like filming yeah no it was I mean it was amazing we got so incredibly lucky the the the the apart from the day I was filming when it rained all day didn't sorry no it's absolutely yeah it's absolutely true so so most of the time most of our exteriors you know as you might expect in January and Swansea or cardi or wherever it was we you know you

16:12 might get a bit of rain um particularly um on gemma's day exactly but then on this one week when we were on the coast um it was just Sunny like almost the entire time es and especially when shy was there and then when shy kind of disappears it was like this like Haze kind of came in off the coast and it became gray it was really uncanny the way the weather was kind of responding to the narrative it was remarkable because the the wrecky day I don't think I've ever seen rain like it we could hardly bake it to the cliff Edge in the kind of wind and the kind of we actually hid in a cafe which then the the roof caved in because of the rain and it flooded the cafe while we were in it and we like this made the final car this is not going to go well for us on the day um and it didn't stop raining till we

16:57 shot and then it just part like you say it parted and then closed back in so you went to a calf was everyone nice in there they basically they we literally all piled into this little cafe on the coast and and then yeah the roof Cav I mean it was the roof just start pouring with water while we were like oh is this what it's going to be like be honest was you a little bit creeped out just a little bit absolutely yeah very creepy but it it was also very very cold and so I think Millie should get a lot of credit she was such a trooper because obviously in the the script calls for her to be in inappropriate clothing and so exactly sometimes when you yeah when you see her a bit cold you know we obviously looked after her as best we could but I think there was an element to which that was that was genuine I want to come back to you Pam about that because how much inspiration do you take from costume

17:45 because I do like the fact that I mean I could have she could have done with a bigger coat but you know Millie doesn't wear that does she you know well her character is not well obviously it's scripted that she's inappropriate dressed you know that you know that is that is there um but nevertheless I just think that the the Ruby would wear that no matter you know even if she knew it was going to be sort of cold that was you know that's that's her look basically um but she was absolutely freezing I mean as as Dylan was saying it was it was lovely weather but it was cold um and um she was a real trooper it's amazing I mean look what we've just seen she shines on screen yeah it's it's remarkable and and also this was her first ever thing you know that she filmed on the show so so it's unbelievable that she put in this House

18:31 Performance in those conditions and with all the pressure and yeah just think she absolutely carries the episode and she's she's what makes it good she does indeed well done Millie um Joe I'm going to come back to you because Welles is important for bad wolf um the production company is based there um how important was it filming this episode well Russell wanted to make a kind of we called it it was different Welsh folk horror we called it sometimes in production of Welsh Coast because we knew we had to get to the coast and we knew what that meant Midwinter um and bad wolf obviously is headquartered in Wales I've been there with them seven years and they are an amazing company to um bring the young people of Wales into the industry

19:17 they've got so Russell did an amazing thing writing a script which we could enjoy themes and locations a bit more than you might trying to hide them to say it's London or New York or whatever you're saying Wales is at that point uh it was really fun to use Wales as the backdrop to to launch this episode um but bad wolf itself led by Jane who launched who commissioned the show back in 2004 with Russell obviously at the helm and Julie Gardner and Phil Collinson um who the the the what they've done in Wales is outstanding it and I've loved being there um doing the tours of the studio and the and and the

20:03 um Outreach to schools and young people and loads of people over the seven years have come from schools and colleges and are now working with us um they've understood the pathway to get into TV and so it's quite an amazing thing so it's really lovely to round it by making an episode that's kind of Welsh folk horror um but yeah bad wolf is is very very focused on the Regeneration of the of of um of the the Welsh kind of young people into and training into the TV industry love that um Dylan so there's a brief shot of Millie on a moving train let's actually take a a clip of Unleashed from Unleashed going to look at that can you imagine being at the train

20:48 station and seeing that what that was chaos what was that like what was that like um yeah really really fun like whenever you get to kind of go out onto location it kind of has a very different feel obviously to filming in the studio so and you know to film on a moving train is obviously that to the nth degree yeah um so yeah it was it was a bit tense because I think there's maybe four four shots and we had maybe 30 minutes something like that to to get it so it was kind of like but that's you know we had the camera operator on a very kind of agile system so it was all relatively straightforward in the end and they did it in 73 seconds didn't they exactly and the and the woman was really in those fields no she wasn't that was a joke in case you missed it Joel I actually want to ask you because

21:34 there are some big action scenes with stunts that were filmed on location um can you talk us through that because that's quite a big job to kind of film everyone and make sure they're not you know they're safe and and not scare the people of Cardiff at the same time we we we do go on location and do on some of the episodes do quite big action things and OB obviously one of the big concerns if you see police or military or um anything like that um led by Jemma which is terrifying um when when you see when you see that when when the public see it it can be um scary so what we what we we close roads and we manage roads and we have lots of stewards and we have a hotline with the police so the police are all aware because people phone up

22:21 the police or they might do and so the police like it's filming so it's very well managed um it's it has to be because it obviously anytime you you see an explosion or you see a policeman or someone a soldier with a gun or something like that or someone looking really suspicious even kind of going you know uh it could alert people so yeah it's it's very well managed I'm going to ask all of you actually and I'll start with Gemma I'm going to ask you what are the challenges of filming in public have you guys got any stories that you can share with us um the 50th in trela square with um Matt Smith hanging from the Tardis um there was a cherry there was a

23:07 huge cherry picker and he was it very safe but he was hanging in midair and I think about about 10 minutes after we got there um I looked over to a barrier and there was somebody standing with a Tom Baker scarf it took 10 it took something like 10 minutes and by the time the cameras rolled the crowd had to be sort of managed because otherwise they would be seen um and it was thrilling it was it was the closest thing acting for me has ever got to rock tartam Matt was full on rockar um but

23:53 yes I I think there was a moment when Matt and um Steve and roett were on a bench somewhere in Cardiff discussing a scene that was going to be shot later that day and somebody came up with an iPhone um and a photograph on social media of the two of them sitting on that bench having that conversation while they were having it it can be quite um challenging and the day that we filmed there was a lot of journalists I think turned up and photographers and and then people wearing costumes it it it happens very quickly and you you have to find a way to manage that

24:39 politely and but but it's and and continue filming I can't imagine um I'm asking all of you the same questions so yeah any I don't have anything no nothing sorry no and what about you what about you Joel and then um I think well I think you should I think Dylan can take this oh yeah take it away yeah no just on the on the day uh we were filming with with Gemma and Millie um in Newport we we we had about 20 minutes to get the the final shot of the day that we really needed I think it was it was the big kind of wide shot you see when Millie smashes the uh Cup right at the end of the scene um and uh yeah two two members of the press basically uh came

25:25 and stood sort of in our shop and we sort of needed them to leave uh in order to get the shop so I I as politely as I could kind of went up and and and and basically ended up begging um just in that manic way that um directors can do you know when they really need something to happen um and fair enough to them they did they didn't in fact leave the shop so we got the shot yeah amazing good um so Pam the doctor wears a really bright jacket in this episode um I hear this is one of your favorite pieces is that correct it wasn't originally um it was it was interesting um Russell had written in the script from what I remember that he He Wore a Yellow coat um and we wanted to we've always wanted to make his outfits a bit

26:12 practical and especially here in Wales the idea is he sort of dressed for a hike a little bit or you know he's he's dressed definitely dressed for the weather um and so I had this obviously there the idea of the yellow and then I thought well let's put him in a Duffer coat then we came up with the yellow Duffer coat and I was thinking the and a yellow duffel coat and actually it I think it worked because it did it did what we wanted which was to make it look kind of practical but it was still a little bit doctory at the same time because the the the color popped and also I was very mindful of the landscape that we were going to be in so we're obviously in a lot of green um you know this sort of yeah yeah sort of soft Green Landscape and so the colors do pop I mean this this it popped a lot here um

26:58 but can I just say Pam is just has been so amazing considering so you know you've got the challenge of what the audience have seen not just in this episode but the other episodes where he's so amazingly dressed every episode and then he can almost you know things change and um and what you've done and I just like you know is just Sublime and it carries on and it carries on and um his yeah absolutely the doctor looks great right the doctor looks great and everybody looks great I agree thank you um so just can I just add something I I mean shy can wear a

27:43 bin bag and one day he will 100% And I know and when you put the bin bag on him we said no yeah no he'll he'll he'll wear a bin bag really well all we've got to do is get Russell to write a punk version which this G this B to happen uh that's that's that's not necessarily Happening by the way um but uh but yeah you know what I mean but he I he I can put him in anything and he owns it and there's not many people that can do that so all credit to him too love that oh brilliant okay so Dylan as we mentioned your first time directing Doctor Who how much research into the history of the show did you do and how much did that influence you directing um I think the episode that always really stood out for me particularly in relation to this episode is is Blink um yeah which is just an astonishing piece

28:32 of of TV um and uh yeah that that one was was was in my mind I guess um so yeah that's that was the primary primary influence I would say on yeah it's a good influence to be fair um okay so Joel this is the first full season with inuti gatwa as the doctor and Millie as the companion talk to us about creating those characters and coming up with our identities well it was really interesting meeting shoy uh he had blond hair from Barbie when we met him and I we we we clan it was a clandestine meeting in London uh where Rosell Jane Phil Collinson and myself met him in a hotel and I kind of just was like oh my

29:18 God like he's the doctor he amazing he's and I thought what's what's this going to be like and um and obviously we had a brilliant chat and he came in from a different entrance we didn't want anyone seeing us Russell can get be seen no I've been with him two and a half years and he can be seen you know by people so we were very careful and um and on his first day and he arrived he just embodied the doctor he had this energy and this Charisma and Millie also like like Dylan said that the 73 yards was her first entry into the show and she became Ruby so there's it's really hard because you read Russell scripts and they're very prescriptive for all of us he's they're

30:03 full of challenges and they're full of um uh kind of complexities but they're also really clear really clear for all the creative teams and cast because he's so clear in the way he writes he writes the first draft is almost like a final draft it I've never seen anything like it it's quite amazing and so the the kind of characters are there but and then he I'm sure he moderates cuz I couldn't work it out I said how did you it's almost like you knew he was going to be the doctor but it just jelled it wasn't it wasn't like them finding themselves they just went on set and those the pages went out the words came out of their mouths and I was like how I it's like chemistry that I didn't understand to be honest with you because

30:49 it wasn't it it didn't feel like they discovered it they found it shoy had his doctor voice day one and it was amazing and Millie is Ruby so it was just a pleasure to see to be honest and for us as well that was brilliant all right so guys we've got some questions from you guys um thank you for getting these um over to us I'm going to start with Samuel Tiberius who is asking Gemma how would you say that Ruby differs from other companions you've met oh wow um I it's hard to put it into words it's a feeling that that I got on the first

31:34 because it well it was her first episode and she carried it and she carries it so beautifully but I thought about I I I think she's the only com the only companion that I've felt maternal feelings for and that is sort of in the script and but I she was she was n when we did that episode and it was a huge thing to step up and because the doctor's hardly there he's in his book ends it and I thought I I just thought I I I hats off to you at 19 you come with

32:22 such Poise and so brilliant but I did feel so sort of warm and and and these very maternal feelings and I'm not felt that in the part before so that's what I would say about that perfect it's a great question okay I've got one from Jordan Emory who's asking Pam what thought went into the woman 73 yards away is a question what sorry sorry can you repeat oh repeat the question yes so Jordan's asking what thought went into the woman 73 yards away well I've kind of answered that a little bit already yeah yeah I think it's I think yeah so just to summarize again it was something completely different no

33:07 yeah um no it was just yeah it's just the the the timelessness was the main thing um and and the silouette um and to just it's just it's just trying to find something where you keep guessing have to keep guessing which was why it had to be black I think and why it had to be indistinct I think that was the main thing got you thank you um Taran sha asks all of you um Millie Gibson LED this episode what were you most impressed with by her performance so I think maybe Jimmy you've kind of answered that to an extent but you can add of course no that's your answer it was a good one to be fair so for the the rest of you what for you impressed you most about Millie Gibson's

33:52 performance um I think Millie just has this like incredible deep well of emotion that can kind of come to the surface really uh sort of at her fingertips and she doesn't really struggle with that and it's it's just um yeah that and then also she just has such a clear like identity I guess as an actor you just feel her personality and her performance and I think that's rare yes I mean you can see it on screen it's you can see what she's able to do um and what she was able to do on her early weeks on the show um and I I guess watching her do that and it was watching impressed us um because we we didn't know at that

34:37 point how all of this was was going to play out you know we we we have the pages and we have the cast but she she just fell you know walked into it embodied Ruby had the emotion obviously we we discuss um the show and the Arc of the character um because this is episode four but was shot earlier in the in the run you know but yeah I it was just an impressive performance I mean it's on screen I mean I I just think she was incredibly Brave I mean just to Echo what JMA was saying she was 19 and this is this is massive it was a massive role for her um and it comes with added you know added pressure you know there's a lot of legacy on on do two and previous

35:23 you know previous companions so I just think she was just incredibly Brave perfect okay so we get into the next next one um sule is asking Dylan how did you get introduced to Doctor Who uh in terms of like how was I aware of it or the introduc in terms of this I think maybe how you was introduced to Doctor Who the brand in general maybe not job I think well some I hope that's correct can I'll answer both I mean basically Dr yeah has always been a something I've been you know aware of growing up obviously massive massive deal and um I used to to watch with my dad when I was growing up and and and like I say like there's certain particular episodes that like I absolutely adored um like like blink um

36:10 and yeah just in terms of the the job like I'd done this other this other show that you mentioned earlier and um I just read the script and it's like Joel has said and everyone said it's just such incredible writing and um it just kind of it has this kind of mystery and this like enigmatic quality and and Russell's just so good at that and it just kind of Tugs you along and and so as soon as I read it I just really really really wanted to direct it so I like begged Joel and the other execs to let me and luckily they said yes perfect all right so I've got a question from Christopher Villa for Pam um the 15th doctor has had quite a variety of outfits which one is your favorite from all from all that we've seen so far yeah let's do four episodes

36:57 yes well I I am quite fond of the the 60s outfit um I mean I think with that whole 60s episode um because they were kind of different elements to it Ruby and the doctor both had quite kind of heightened outfits um it's like the dist dressed them um you know whereas The Beatles wore um you know outfits that were very much more sort of downbeat you know which was much more accurate to what they actually wore in the time and then we had Jinx wearing these very theatrical outfits um but I but that outfit that shoy we did for shoy I think he really enjoyed it um and that made me like it even more I think it was uh it it it he wore it well and I yeah quite

37:42 proud of that one but like you said he can literally wear a bin bag like literally everything looks good on him okay so putting him in a bin bag Pam no all right so this is a really good one for all of you um Brendan Clark has asked everyone if you had a tardis for one trip where would you go the Jazz Age New York yeah I was going to say I was going to say 1930s New York yeah yeah I stole that out yeah from where I didn't say I didn't no you didn't 1930s no but I I agree but it has to be New York yeah New York yes I'm with you I want to do the costumes speak easys okay so you two are going to the same place lovely and then

38:29 want and Joel what about you to be honest we've just wrapped season two yes and we're at the rap party last night which is amazing and um come on and uh and um I'm worried that if I say anything it'll be a spoiler just do it so I almost can't say anything because you just don't know I might accidentally so if you had one trip in the what happens if I where are you going but go to Dylan first yeah you can separate fact from fiction in your mind whil Dylan's talk I don't know if I can no why don't you just say like you know Limitless I'd go to The Beatles era actually I'm a huge Beatles fan so sorry

39:15 I thought you said a bether well that could work too it's just not good enough an EasyJet to a bether so you'd go to The Beatles era yeah I was jealous about not getting to direct that episode it was amazing yeah yeah that's a good one all right guys thank you so much for your questions we could do this all evening but that's actually all we've got time for so thank you so so much um I just want to say thank you to our panel for sharing almost all of the uh the Doctor Who insights obviously the fans here um we've been getting an Insight like this is incredible because you know we don't get to do this often so thank you thank you to the audience as well your questions are made thank you very much they were brilliant um and thank you for coming along and just you know being part of the Doctor Who Community um before you

40:01 leave us though can we capture this moment and take uh a little uh photo with the audience and the panel is that all right lovely so I think y we got a photographer right on time perfect so we're going to come and stand in front of you guys and then you're going to be behind us lovely I'll put my mic down all [Music]