Dr. Ömer Atilla Ergi ile Kuantum Fiziğine yolculuk

0:00 [Music] Hello everyone from holly turko This evening we are with Doctor Ömer Atilla Ergi again. Ömer, sir. Welcome to our broadcast. Mr. Aydoğan, how are you? Thank you very much. Don't miss it. Dear sir, tonight I want to talk about a subject that is especially popular in both theist and atheist circles. I want to talk about quantum physics and quantum theory because we observe that there is

0:47 interest in this subject in both circles. They define quantum physics as the branch of science that studies subatomic particles and based on an irregularity and uncertainty related to subatomic particles. Therefore, we come across comments that see this as data that it does not comply with a divine system or that God does not actually exist. On the other hand, quantum physics is the Quran, Sufism, that is, in this context, we observe that this subject is discussed.

1:32 As a theologian and physicist, can you first tell us what quantum physics is and why do you think this subject is very important? So, it's also important for us, as believers, and we're very interested in it. I can even say, Mr. Aydoğan, we have a WhatsApp group. All of our friends are physicists, and we've been doing a lot of research, especially on these latest developments. There's a lot of intense research on the ether, the smallest particle. Our friends are also interested in these, and really, when we look at it today,

2:22 we see such dizzying developments in science and technology. Now, when we say quantum physics, you mentioned it. Quantum physics is a branch of science that studies the smallest particles of matter. In short, that's what it means. More specifically, the functions of subatomic particles in this tiny world. We call it mechanical system control mechanics. It's a branch of science that studies how these particles are formed, how they maintain balance in the macro universe, and the roles they play in maintaining those balances. Well, when we look at astronomy, which observes the universe today, there are really serious developments there, but generally, we see that such

3:09 physicists focus more on quantum theory. So, why is there so much interest in this field? Why has this interest increased? We can give an example. When we look at the history of science, this is generally the natural flow, that is, let's say it is in line with the nature of science. Because matter or everything in nature is examined in chronological order. For example, when you look at the study of a human body, historically, they started from the outside, from the outside, from the macro level. They started examining it at the macro level. Here are the human limbs. Then

3:56 they went inward, they looked more at the anatomy, the organs, how humans work, and then they went even further down, right? Over time, you see, we've come this far, what makes a cell, DNA, genetics, chromosomes, RNA. Even today, these are the codings inside them that are being investigated. You know, you're looking at the quantum level, the thing you just mentioned. It's as if there's such an uncertainty. We call it the momentum of the electron around the nucleus. We can never determine where it is at a particular moment.

4:43 We call it the treacherous theory of uncertainty. But our inability to detect it does n't mean it wasn't in a particular place at a particular time. Maybe we can detect it. Science has n't developed enough to detect it, but we see that perfection, that order in DNA. There's a tremendous coding, for example, as I mentioned. It's like it's constantly going downwards, starting from the macro level and gradually descending with science. In fact, in biology, you look at this; it goes even further down from DNA and RNA. Biochemistry and molecular biology are established, and within these, what

5:32 do monomers, polymers, protein molecules, and the bonding of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen atoms, and so on, are being studied even further down. This is beneficial. Because it examines what humans are made of and what this leads to, for example, it leads to finding treatments for certain diseases. It gives us information about what people need to do to live healthier. These are all very good and serious studies. But there's this: the real meaning of all these

6:17 studies. If we ask why they're being conducted, my understanding is this: they're trying to understand what a human is. But I think they can never understand a human by investigating the smallest parts. That's another perspective because to understand a human, you have to look at it as a whole. A human is not just a collection of molecules. In other words, we have to think like this: there's a material component to a human. It needs to continue from the other side,

7:52 but as I said, the main purpose here is: Where did the universe come from? What is it made of? How does it work? Hasn't it started? These are the topics that humankind wants to learn and their thoughts are that if we can learn what the smallest particle of matter is, how the universe was formed, it might give us some information and an idea. That's my thought. We can even go down to such small things that we can say that the particles within atoms are atoms. In the past, we used to say that there is an atom. Everything is made of particles. It's made of atoms. But now, when you go even lower, there are electrons,

8:38 protons, neutrons, antennas, neutrons, what we call anti-protons, we started to go down to tiny particles. For example, inside the proton, there are quarks. You get even smaller, but there are things we can't figure out. Today, for example, for example, the atom. Let me give you an example. If you weigh it and look at the material value inside it, it doesn't even reach zero percent of its weight. Let me give you an example. Take a football, put it on a scale, let's say it's

9:23 an inflated football. Then, let's say it weighs 10 kilograms. I'm just giving you an example. After that, you empty the air inside and weigh it, and you see. 100 grams of air comes out to its partner. Since this weight couldn't have been created by air, where did this weight come from? Where does 99.9% of the weight come from? Now there's something like this in the atom. They're trying to find it. There's a place we call the void. There's a field inside the atom. They're trying to find out what it's made of. For example, what we call the God Party member, there are different particle theories. Tell me something about the atom.

10:08 Look, it's really very interesting. There's something called the clank length. Let's call it the smallest distance you can reach within the atom. You can't shrink below that. You can't shrink. Max has proposed this. Do you know how long that length is mathematically? If you're as big as the universe, if you bring it to the size of the universe, isn't it terrifying? How small are billions of light-years in an atom? I mean, maybe there are trillions of atoms on the head of a pin. You take one of those, and you enlarge it to the size of the universe. That clank length and so on, and its length is

10:55 a human height. An atom is that small. This is what we call quantum physics. In fact, we're investigating the uncertainty theory as a principle because they don't fully understand the principle. Some people make it like you mentioned, like it's at home, but there's no such thing. The problem is we can't exactly detect where the electron is. Because it rotates so rapidly that we don't even use the word "rotation" there. There's movement there,

11:46 a very different system than planets orbiting the sun. It doesn't rotate in a specific way. It could be up there, it could be down there, electrons could be everywhere at once. It's a very interesting thing. Ultimately, this is quantum physics, which means it investigates these things, and as I mentioned, they really provide us with a lot. The main goal here, as I mentioned, is to know about the universe. I mean, where did this Universe come from? This giant system. There are those tiny protons, neutrons, electrons, photons. From these things we call gravitons, to those huge planets, to stars, nebulas, black holes,

12:33 galaxies. It's as if they all work together, supporting each other, like a symphony extra playing the same piece. In short, here's the problem. If you think about it, Professor, as far as I understand now, the macro world and the micro world are not completely compatible. I think that's what I think. We understand this from here, it has different principles. Now what I want to ask is, if we recall the Big Bang theory, sir. There must be

13:21 a first, a beginning, for the universe, and we know from the Holy Quran that we will constantly expand the universe. I mean, we are expanding it. Now, this constant expansion in the universe is observable at the micro level. Is there a counterpart to this in the micro realm? Or do these two have to be compatible?

14:56 You were saying there is a nine-month gap. There is no such thing as space, there is no such thing as emptiness. I mean, in fact, I can also say that there is no, there is no such thing as no. Even there, there is definitely something. There are electromagnetic waves. There is dark energy. There is dark matter. And all of these are made of something. After all, they are also made of subatomic particles, and they are investigating what constitutes them all. Some call this a string. There is string theory, for example. Some say what is it? There is a substance called a tone and a particle. This is one of the substances that makes everything attracted to each other. And Einstein's

15:43 Tweety III thing called relativity. Is there something that unites the two? They say if we find the graviton, but as I said, the main problem is to investigate where this universe came from. Because for the universe to expand, it must have started at some point. Our models show that the Big Bang started at that point. This average occurred 13.8 billion years ago, but there is a bottleneck here in quantum physics. Because when we examine the universe, current models show us that there was a

16:28 pre-self. That is, just when it was a self, signals emerged, something called a singularity. When we apply this model, we encounter something like creation from nothing. In other words, time, space, everything came into being from nothing. This is essentially impossible in terms of physics, but if it did happen, how can we explain it? They say we need to propose another theory so that it can be explained. This time, they say with string theory. Maybe these tiny strings that we cannot see existed before, they were in the void, there was a concentration of energy there, and the Big Bang formed from that. There is such a view. But

17:16 recently, I saw another theory and I really liked it because it is very interesting, and it is superfluous. Actually, the word there is... It's very interesting that we call it superfluvet, meaning liquid. He uses the word liquid to say that the void is composed of superfluid. Now, when we look at this, we encounter something very interesting. Before the universe first came into being before the Big Bang, there's a possibility that it was formed from a superfluid, a superfluid. Everything, that explosion, could have been caused by it. I found this very interesting because

18:01 this theory. Actually, there's a verse in the Quran, in Surah Hud, 7. I've been thinking about the meaning of this verse for years. It says, " Before He created the earth and the heavens, its throne was on water." It says, "It was on a liquid." This is a very interesting verse. Now, how could this universe, which came into being from nothing, from a void, have been on a liquid before? This was very puzzling to me. Now, this superfluid theory actually clarifies this. I can think of a

18:47 direct connection here. God Almighty may have created the universe from this superfluid. And this verse is very compatible with this verse. Before the Big Bang, perhaps, according to some scholars, there was an ether. The substance they call "influence matter," for example, Bediüzzaman also says this. That thing called ether matter. I think it might be this superfluid. There are really interesting developments we're following. I think we should also express this fact. Science is really progressing in such a dizzying way these days. The

19:32 expansions are amazing. I mean, we see these developments, especially in technology. But we've talked about this before in a program. If these developments in science and especially technology really distance people from faith and belief in God, in my opinion, then that represents the system of the antichrist. Because science and technology, on the contrary, should bring people closer to faith and belief. Because you see that magnificent system. So, as I just mentioned, there's a combined puzzle, there's a magnificent picture. But every little piece of that puzzle supports each other,

20:18 suggesting that magnificent picture. I understand this depends on our examination. So, while we examine it, it depends entirely on how we interpret it. For example, if you give someone a book and say, " Examine this book in every detail and bring it back to me and report back to me," the person takes this book and takes it with them. If they come back a week later, their area of ​​expertise is different. But the weight of this book is different. This much paper, this much gram, is made of this, the ink inside is composed of these substances, its fineness is like this, so specific, he could prepare a perfect report for you, but did he explain the book, he

21:08 missed the most important thing, its content. The meaning in it, the universe, is essentially a book, we are examining it very well, science is really beautiful, but if he can't see that meaning, I think there's a problem here. Now, in mathematics, you know the concept of infinity, that is, between one and one. When you examine it, you see that it's actually between zero and one. In other words, you see that it's infinity, so it's possible to divide it up to infinity, between zero and one. Now, in physics, when we examine these subatomic

21:57 particles, I mean, you just said, they're looking for the God particle, that is, they actually read the God particle. Deniz, but on the other hand, you know, God, Allah, is also the symbol of infinity, I mean, we 're talking about a being that is eternal. Now, where do you fit this, sir? I mean, is there an end to this? How far can it go? We know from mathematics that the interval is actually infinite, but in mathematics, there are different infinities, so between zero and one and zero and two

22:44 correspond to something different. Now, this subatomic universe. What is it? When we go towards the smallest, I mean, can this have an end and something can definitely be found? I just mentioned it. There 's something called plankton. You can't fall below this. This is mathematically proven. Matter is the same way in string theory. There's no substance smaller than my dick. Maybe the same thing will emerge in this super flood theory. Anyway, it ca n't be pinned down any lower than that. It has to stop somewhere. This infinity cannot go to eternity. Just

23:34 like it's not possible under the atom. Well, infinity is not possible in the macro world either. Mathematically, it's possible because it's not physically possible. It's not possible in physics because in reality, we call it Aktuğ Infinity. So, real Infinity is real infinity. I mean, things strung together cannot go to eternity or eternity. It's not philosophically possible. Maybe you've watched that. There's a program called Infiniti, for example, they give an example of something. I use it a lot. They actually explain it at the beginning of Hilbert's speech. Yes, there is.

24:19 Imagine a hotel there, it has infinite rooms. It never ends. I mean, infinite rooms, and those rooms are infinite. It's full of guests. Now when a new guest arrives at the hotel, there's actually no room in the hotel. This actually explains that infinity cannot exist, but Hilbert's intention isn't that. He tries to prove that it could exist there theoretically and says, "Here are the guests," he says, "We'll move the guest in room number one to two." He says, "Well, if we send the guest in room number two to three," and

25:09 that's how room will be made for the new guest. But this is philosophically impossible. Because the initial expression is infinite guests. If you say infinite guests, the number of guests is also infinite, never ending. Then you ca n't open an empty room. If you vacate a number, you put the new guest there, but you'll have to remove a new one. What happens this time? You're subtracting from infinity. In fact, you can neither add nor subtract from infinity. It's a very interesting thing in this respect. There is no true infinity for me. For example, let's take an example. The human brain, the human memory. Can the human mind comprehend infinity? I think it can't comprehend it. We have a hard time, I mean, we can't understand it. We ca n't comprehend it. I had an example like this. For example,

25:54 they call it the Bottomless Pit. Imagine something like this: you throw a stone from a hill and it falls down. It's in a well and it will never hit the bottom Because it has no bottom Can we imagine such a well? It's not possible. Why can't we imagine? If it doesn't have a bottom, how was that well constructed up to the entrance? Then how could it exist? It would have a beginning at the bottom so that it would have an end at the top. Or we can think the opposite. Because when you throw a stone at it, it represents a beginning and everything that has a beginning certainly had an end. Even while we imagine, for example, a person who lived a thousand years ago. Well, there is

26:42 an Islamic philosopher named Elkindi who is very famous and who puts forward the proof of bounds. When talking about this infinity, he gives an example like this. He says, "I say two circles." He draws them on a circle and says, "Let both of them represent infinity." He says, "Let both of them represent infinity." For example, if you take a piece from one of these circles and add it to the other, he says, "There was a decrease in one of the two circles that we call infinity." You say, "You added it to the other." There was an increase. However, he says, "Infinity does not decrease and does not increase." That's why he says infinity is not possible in the real sense. It is

27:30 not possible in the physical sense. Everything definitely has a beginning and an end. But if we do this from the perspective of Allah. When we look at it, a question like that may come to mind. How can God be infinite? God is not something made of parts. As we understand, Almighty God is not a mathematical thing in a series. We call God absolute, that is, we say He is absolutely infinite. Because He is not a being made of matter that needs time and space. There is someone who created all of these from nothing, this universe, for example. If you suddenly

28:15 destroyed it today, what would be left? Nothing would remain except God. There would be no time left, no space, no space. Therefore, these two are different concepts. However, it is not possible for things in series to be infinite. I have explained this somewhere before. Many examples are given about this infinity. For example, one of them is especially And this is something that the II Deist or his aunt asked, you say that everything needs a beginning. Causality requires this. Therefore, marriage must also have a beginning. Because matter is not eternal. We know this, physics also says that, then there is a power that started the universe. We

29:02 say there is power. Then they say, Well, let's assume that there is such a thing. There is power then, what initiates it, what causes it? You are telling us that what we call a chain is made up of causal links. These rings follow each other, when they reach the end, you cannot add the one who created it to that ring as if it were a ring. If you do, it would not be the creator anyway, then it would be a fake creator, and you would start searching for the real creator. Some scholars have given examples on this subject. I have an example I produced as well. Let me present it if you want; there are these dominoes. You know, you

29:55 were sitting somewhere and the stones were lined up in front of you and they were falling. Now, let's say this movement and this fall are events that happen in this universe. Let's say these events follow each other, especially. Now, we look to the left and we cannot see where the sequence begins. We look to the right and we cannot see the beginning and the end. But can any logic come out and say that these dominoes have no beginning when you look this way. They go on forever. No one can say that because if you see them falling in front of you, there must have been a point where it started and there must have been

30:40 someone who dropped the first stone. After identifying that, you cannot ask the question of who dropped this stone, it would be very illogical. In other words, from a material perspective, the human mind is truly infinite. We cannot grasp this philosophically, we cannot accept this. Maybe there is no infinity in a linear way, that is, in the form of a straight line or something, but some people ask me this: If there is no such infinity, how will people have an eternal life in the afterlife? Is n't there in heaven or hell? Two things come to my mind here. One is the infinity there. After all, matter in heaven is

31:30 not a place made of matter, it is limited. Maybe the time there is in a loop, that is, it keeps turning in a circle, that is, it does not flow linearly. Secondly, yes, matter is not infinite, but it may be that human beings get their infinity from the one who has true infinity and we can think of an example like this: for example, since the sun rises, we see small examples of the sun in all the glass particles, mirrors, water bubbles on earth, we see its reflections, its light. Now, those reflections, those tiny suns can only continue their existence because of the sun on top. If

32:15 that sun does not exist, their existence will end. That is how I view our infinity, too. Since God Almighty is infinite and eternal, we can continue our singleness thanks to his permanence. [Music]

33:30 very interesting things emerge. Today, we are under the matter, too. We see that particles are created with their antimatter. The antimatter is the electron, the positron, all of them have an antimatter, and it's interesting. As we mentioned earlier, in this quantum vacuum, in space, sometimes particles like this suddenly come into being. After that, they disappear back into nothingness in a very short time. Some even say this, I mean, atheists especially say there's this self-generation. There's

34:19 no self-generation there, but there's energy there, and energy can transform into matter. We already know this. Einstein's famous equation, "e" equals " mc squared," can transform into energy in matter. Now, there's energy there. Now, there might be what we call narrow energy. Some things happen there, maybe physically. After that, that matter suddenly becomes matter, but the interesting thing is that when the matter they detect comes to the realm of existence, or let's say it transforms from energy to matter, it always comes with its antimatter in pairs, and then they cancel each other out. What does it do? It cancels each other out. It's a very interesting thing. In quantum physics,

35:05 when you go down to the smallest particle, everything is created in pairs. And this verse is really, really important to me. A fascinating verse, scientifically clear, Tan Dear Professor, that's all my questions for tonight, is there anything you'd like to add, Professor? I don't have much to add. But as I said, science is constantly evolving, we're seeing these developments tremendously. In fact, I think this will accelerate because as the population grows, the number of people working in scientific fields increases, it will start to develop even faster. That's how the secret of humanity, robots, has

35:51 emerged, right? Those who think about lunar systems, robots, we're examining space, we're studying quantum physics. Well, things like metabolism are emerging, so we don't know where this is going anymore. But let's see, maybe we'll learn much more amazing things in the future. Here, we need to maintain a balance. Like a double-winged bird, we need to value spirituality while conducting scientific research. Otherwise, we'll remain single-winged, and we can't fly. That's why I think both must be handled in a balanced way, otherwise, we can lose our way. Thank you very much, Professor, my valued viewers, dear viewers. My guest tonight, Dr.

36:39 Ömer Atilla Ergi Beyidi, talked about quantum physics with him in the coming days. Hope to meet another topic and guest. I wish you all a good day [Music]