Dub Talk Presents: Summer at the Movies (Season 5) - Mirai

0:00 dear listener this is not the full film of mirai this is a review of the english dub of the film at time of release mirai is available on dvd and blu-ray from g kids as well as streaming on netflix and hbo max please support the official release sincerely the dub talk podcast guys i was just about to enjoy something in here oh my dear time for all right uh warning the following podcast may contain language that is not suitable for younger audiences mr destruction is highly advised what not the marvel language i'm sorry about this um also uh there

0:46 will be spoilers for any and all everything that's being discussed including mariah and all of the movies that we bring up so if you haven't finished it yet uh be on your guard because uh we may toilet for you just don't jump on the couch okay guys really they're just between the couches no no no no no no um lastly uh the opinions expressed are those of the individuals and don't necessarily reflect the dub talk podcast as a whole okay that's enough that's enough give me that pillow [Music] greetings ladies and gentlemen and

1:32 welcome back to dub talk the premiere podcast where we talk about the voice acting accomplishments of all things japanimation related be they old be they new be they good and be they whatever this thing is that we're going to be talking about here tonight um now you'll have to forgive me ladies and gentlemen because i am exhausted right now that's right it's already the beginning of the episode and i am exhausted but not because of recording no no no it's because i have been raising children all day and as all of you who are parents know and even those who aren't parents that is tiring will take the energy right out of you so i was excited to find out that we were going to be doing a podcast here tonight so i can you know get get a break from the the parent raising the the child raising parenting thing here and talk about

2:17 a japanese movie yes ladies and gentlemen it is time for summer at the movies well more episodes of summer at the movies this is like uh the episode four or five i forget which uh order we're going in i believe this one is number four excellent awesome so number quattro for the night but i before i go any further i should introduce you to my cohort for the evening yes we've done multiple seasons of summer at the movies but the two of us have never done a movie together so please welcome andrew technically speaking we've never done a movie just the two of us i believe we did we did teen team up to put out some fires in the past that well yes that's of course but um once that ice

3:03 had been put on ice uh we needed to do one just the two of us because what better idea than to have the two yakidiest members of the podcast be in one episode together all alone see i've i have a theory of why i'm here and the theory is not just because this is the fifth in the yearly tradition of summer at the movies mamaroo soda anthology like i think by the time this is done we will be caught up just in time for the new one he's putting out yes we'll talk about i think we'll talk about that more at the end uh what but i have a theory of why i'm actually here i think i'm here because you are secretly trying to convince me

3:50 the young baby child who's growing up into adulthood living on his own moving in with the lady fred you are trying to convince me don't have kids absolutely thank god we got that out of the way here ladies and gentlemen it is a rewarding life choice but it really isn't for everyone and i i i'm sorry andrew i know i'm sure you'd be a great dad but don't jump into having kids it's it takes it out of you it literally makes you older i was gonna say the the thing that's fascinating to me about uh what we are going to be covering tonight is this film is exclusively about children young children and

4:36 the process that comes into raising nurturing and growing them everything good bad and in between and really come and really come to the conclusion that you know what kids are are a handful but parents are sometimes just big kids you know some parents aren't any more mature or developed than kids sometimes they're just kids who happen to have kids of their own basically they're just trying to wing it that is exactly what they're doing it is that calvin hobbs sketch that comic where the dad says straight to the camera i don't think i'd have been in such a rush to grow up if i knew the whole thing was going to be ad-libbed oh my god that's pretty accurate

5:22 so yes we are talking as you could probably guess and read and infer mirai the latest feature film as of recording the latest released feature film from uh legendary animation auteur mamara hasoda and his own private studio studio chizu and this is uh the most recent film and it's also following the grand tradition of summer at the movies the last soda movie that we haven't covered yet we covered all the other ones up to here and it had to come sooner or later so i'm glad that we finally got around to it it took five years but we're finally caught up now it's just a matter if number six is going to have a dub in time for next year

6:07 and if it doesn't that's okay because i got we got a plan we got a backup plan we got a contingency plan and if you know you know you know your soda work you know what's coming shouldn't be getting too evil um so let's talk about this particular film like what it's about exactly as um i i mean let's go to the checklist here does it have flying whales in it no it doesn't does it have furry animals yes yes does it have uh young children in it and adventures oh boy does it this it does that's the primary focus of this so mirai is a very domestic movie it is about a young boy named [ __ ]

6:53 who is a four-year-old boy who has just become a big brother his baby sister mariah has been brought home and there is almost no plot to it from that it is all of the adventures of him learning to be a big brother learning to cope with not being the center of attention learning that the rest of his family is tied together into this adventure as well and well okay so mama soda could make just a very basic movie but no he decided to throw in time travel into the movie yes the thing that defines this movie and what is kind of the hook is that kuhn actually meets different members of his family from different time periods and from different ages as well including meeting his baby sister mirai

7:38 as a high school student and that is where the lessons of the movie come from see when i was first when i first watched the tree do its thing and i saw it do it a few times i'm like okay instead of the giving tree this is the empathy tree oh man that i mean this is kind of picture book like kind of like the giving tree it feels like it feels like a children's book in that it is basically it is a little kid who is learning to get used to his new family dynamic but is still young and immature and doesn't know how things work he does a bad thing and then a magical entity or version of somebody in his life comes and tries to teach him something

8:26 or to make him understand something that is uh entirely based on the uh where mama hasoda himself was at his time period that he made the movie just like all of his other movies every one of his movies is influenced the story is influenced by where he is in life with wolf children his mom had just died with summer wars uh he had just gotten married and become part of a new family boy and the beast was obviously becoming a dad for the first time and learning to take care of someone other than himself and mirai was influenced by having a baby girl and seeing how his older son reacted to that and well how the whole family really reacted to that so noah before we before we get a little more into the nitty-gritty about what makes this

9:12 particular dub tech so there's a genre a sort of pseudo-sub-genre that i think i am a fan of and you are probably begrudgingly a fan of i remember this because we you sort of brought it up a little bit last time we recorded an episode together and it was for uh kakshi gotu you there you said there's sort of like this sub genre of show animes that basically make parenthood to look out the most great wonderful rewarding satisfying most necessary thing in the world to be now i don't know if that genre has a

9:57 name but yes that that is uh it's kind of hallmark movie-ish uh but when it's animated it's made to be a much more storybook much more fairy tale like i guess and it's magic and that is films like shows like kakashigoto clan ad after story bunny drop being a big one would you i would not put clan head after story in that [ __ ] genre at all i mean it's it's okay it's a stretch it's that one absolutely you are stretching hard with that one my friend no if you want more proper examples i'd say a good one is like sweetness and lightning that's like the big one to me oh definitely yeah and it's it's a bitter shame that that show didn't get a dub because man i wish

10:42 more people saw that yeah but i'll say this like if you want a name for that genre you can call that the 57th prime minister shinzo abe's propaganda to breed genre i mean that that may not be fair because i'm sure that there are older examples of that i'm sure there were anime in the 80s and the 70s and beyond that that had that mentality to it oh there's absolutely more things that have been like that but that is to me the most recent thing and if there's anything any good to come out of prime minister shinzo abe's uh political career and aspirations which of what i've heard there's not

11:29 actually that grade a career i can at least joke about the fact that that dude wants to fix the dwindling birth rate population in japan to a hilarious degree and i will make fun of that for my days this is a very i've gotten a little too long about this point what this is not that kind of thing this is not this i had a movie this is a show made by somebody who was actually a parent okay yeah so this is actually i mean we don't know if prime minister abe has had children or not but this is not only by made by a guy who had children he wants to encompass both the ugly and the good parts of that experience in fact the thing i would compare this movie to for those who are just coming into it cold is actually where the wild things are the marie sendak book

12:15 and consequently the live-action movie too because it absolutely calls attention to how monstrous little children can be and not because they're malicious not because they're you know out to destroy anything it's simply how children really are they're not always that idealistic perfect cherub creation they are human they they are actual living breathing people and that is admittedly a big draw that define distinguishes this movie from that genre you were talking about like no other genre has no other anime that i can think of has the kid be that precarious on purpose i feel like also a lot of them tend to be girls because i feel like they often

13:02 like to portray the girls as a lot more sweeter and kind-hearted compared to like a a boy child boys are look boys are not the easiest thing to get along with having been one myself andrew i believe you were one as well when you were growing up arguably i still am but yes so you know who would be when it comes to an anime english dub [Music] i'd say if the actors are children who is the one that reigns in the acting children well it could only be someone incredibly gifted talented and patient like

13:50 a director uh an adr director as it were but where in the world are we gonna get one of those in new york city i feel like i'm staring at you like i'm on the office right now christ yeah so let's try so let's jump into the dub here for this particular movie which yes we are very fortunate enough to have actually dubbed which all of hisoda's films have been since the very beginning this one uh is interesting because uh whereas the first one uh the girl who left the time was dubbed by uh bang zoom uh and dubbed in canada and then the next three ones were released and dubbed by funimation this one is actually released by g kids who uh are pretty known for releasing a lot of

14:37 foreign animation not just japanese but spain uh ireland uh france all over the place and they've been dipping into a lot of anime distribution as well recently so much so that they hired uh fine folks at nyav post la new york and brooklyn recording to record a dub for this particular movie so we got the dream team of main direction by michael center nicholas one of the funnest names to pronounce doing this job and uh additional assistant directing from stephanie shea and michael schneider and we got stephanie shay to do the scriptwriting for this as well so uh now i i know that all you people listening know those names you know like you're well versed here but we're

15:23 gonna list out a couple roles they've done just just just because just in case you're not a uh dub otaku super fan that pays attention to every minute credit out there that's kind of what we're for anyways yeah there's gonna be at least five people listening who are like that's me well if you are also that thank you for tuning in to us you [ __ ] weirdo we identify with you so uh say so this group has uh done the adr directing for other nyav lead projects like promere which is the big studio trigger movie that came out last year they also directed the new dub for tokyo godfathers which thank god that they really they dubbed that again because satoshi cohen deserves all the exposure and for probably a

16:10 thing that should have won the academy award but didn't even get a nomination they did the dub for your name as well and we're still bitter about that so i i've i've gotten used to uh the anime films at least getting snoked i'm used to them getting stubbed by the crunchyroll awards now too well that's the thing is like i can get the crunchyroll people like just battling over what's the best anime that's their wheelhouse the reason it bugs me about the academy awards is that it's not that they don't win it's not that they don't give anime awards it's that it's used to further stigmatize the medium as like well this didn't get an academy award so it's not worthy enough yes it's like those people going around saying now that um

16:55 uh demon slayer mugen train made a lot of money now anime is mainstream like it hadn't been mainstream for 20 years now anyways at least spider-verse one it's not rightful nomination that's i'll content with that uh mariah was uh also a contender actually the year it came out what really okay yeah oh yeah that checks out that checks out so yeah so the direction on this is i'll just keep this short and sweet it's good it's perfectly fitting for what this movie is calling for and that's a lot of screaming but then a lot of tender sweet moments as well and we'll get into this when we get into the actual cast but they got a lot of really diverse actors as far as like

17:41 voice acting backgrounds some are video game people some are live actors and the kids are actually voiced by kids that is a huge prop that i mean i i can't express how refreshing that is to listen to so it's it's definitely it's definitely very much uh it is very much all i wanted what's the right word like a hallmark uh a particular i wouldn't say quirk like a a calling card sure like basically it's a calling a particular calling card of an ny av post up nowadays is that they actually go through the effort to get actual child actors in the rules which hey that is especially hard to do

18:29 with children because dubbing at dubbing and matching lip flaps is already a particularly challenging skill for an actor to have let alone a child who is by their nature way less experienced than most of the people you're going to be working with and not only is that no like here's the thing that's notable in other projects too other projects of nyav post i'd say like having the children being played by children i think is important but it's not always like center focus the closest i think of is maybe uh early on in machia

19:14 where uh child ariel is a pretty big center focus of the film right but even that has nothing on this where the star of this movie is the four-year-old child yeah and that i mean i can't wait to talk when we get about the actor there because oh boy his credentials i squealed when i read those credentials and the entire yeah the entire cast is pretty well directed um it it sounds unique it really does and this is also kind of a hallmark of a lot of nya v dubs is that they don't sound like anime does because they don't get exclusively anime voice actors i i feel like there's some contention about whether that is uh

20:00 whether that is a good or bad practice of like whether it's the idea of like if you want to make your dubs seem more mainstream and legit well i mean that's the question is like does casting uh more live-action or live television actor performers as opposed to the staple of voice actors you get in los angeles or new york does that add credibility or is that i guess a handicap i'd say they want it to be marketable and they want it to be get that credibility but it is sometimes indeed for better for worse than unnecessary hindrance it definitely does depend on

20:46 the project i'm going to say that i don't think anybody in this dub was particularly bad actually i'd say a couple even a couple of the notable like screen actors actually were pretty good in this dub as a whole there's only one i'd actually really argue i wasn't the biggest fan of but even then like they did a pretty solid job with this dub overall and like honestly it's not even it's not even just it's not even like the the notoriety of particular performers they got it's the fact that they got the child actor to be the center stage of your anime english dub and made that work very well i feel is the

21:32 most uh uh impressive uh thing i will give uh to center nicholas and stephanie shane okay that's fair um yeah this is not going to be i mean it feels kind of similar to like those disney directed ghibli dubs from the early 2000s and that they would get a-list uh celebrities who are some of them have very distinct voices and fit their acting roles very well but there's there's definitely a noticeable difference between people who are used to voice acting who are used to like the rhythm of matching lip flaps and then compare that to some actors in this movie where lip flap matching doesn't seem to be the highest priority it's it's more of matching the tone matching the scene and

22:18 the emotion more than that i think i think when you're talking about like voice acting with matching matching lips i think you you were trying to describe prelay animation recording that is correct okay yeah so um yeah i don't i mean you have way more to say about the actual actors themselves uh i i think that the thing to end this off on is that the acting i'm sorry the directing is pretty consistent um there is one actor and i'm curious to see if it's the same one that you were mentioning before who i wasn't the biggest fan of um and it does feel like it's a directing thing not a this is how the person performs thing just looking at what else they've done in the past but yeah but the i mean this is not okay let's go into a little bit about what

23:03 inspired this movie for hisoda specifically um because he said in an interview that's available on the home video release that his inspiration for this kind of movie wasn't just his own family life it was also those uh 70s and 80s toei movies that focused very heavily on children and animals i'm talking about stuff like um the treasure island movie that discotec put out uh not too long ago uh a lot of like uh uh movies that are basically basically nostalgic child wonderment basically yeah because it it's it's about yeah that um the world through a child's eye which uh soda was kind of lamenting that we don't have anymore so he wanted a movie that was not just

23:49 about children but starred a young child as its center point and that's not really something that we have in animation for america these days um i'm trying to think like the last time that there was an anime feature film that had a very young kid as its star are you are you are you words are you being serious right now well no okay i'm used to a lot of tv of tv shows anime tv shows that have young kids as their focal point but like um uh hollywood theatrical animated features uh none not many are coming to mind right now who could not just come out but they're a little older than that luca is um they're like elementary school age

24:35 okay you mean like literal like i'm talking yeah kindergarten under i'm talking like dw from arthur age is the main character how old is dw she she is in uh preschool she is established in the show that she has yet to go to kindergarten don't test me on my arthur knowledge i know more about that canadian show then i have any right to know oh my god wow it's been that long okay okay i will i will concede that i thought you meant like actual like young kids and el like i like that are you serious no no no yeah okay my point bringing this whole thing back to the the acting portion of it is that like do we have um an equivalent to that in the script writing that we can kind of

25:20 draw on because japanese voice acting is very archetypal and that was the same for the japanese in this movie as well um actually some of the actors in the japanese cast were brought over from previous hasoda movies and we'll get to that when we talk about them but it's all very archetypal so the acting and the writing let's talk about stephanie's writing here is kind of unique it's kind of uh something that we don't have an equivalent for in america when we talk about movies in america animated movies in america that have kids as the main focus let's take luke as an example because i just watched that recently i've assumed that you watched it as well i have not i've saw the uh the roku ads when it's paused go watch luca

26:06 scrolling scrolling all you see is luca yeah no it's it's literally just like i i i like lee i like go away for 10 minutes it's like the screen saver suddenly instead of the generic roku one it is just luca no i know i have the same uh ghost of that screensaver as well okay yeah um okay so but even okay any other disney pixar dreamworks movie that you can think of they go on adventures don't they yeah uh this movie the main character doesn't go outside of their home really in fact all of the action takes place in their yard which is very odd it's basically no different than an episode of spongebob squarepants where he's playing with the box and his

26:52 imagination only the visuals are slightly better than nickelodeon slightly better than nickelodeon just burst it up for wow okay so okay so how does this tie into the script writing here um the i think the script writing captures uh what the characters meant uh were saying in japanese pretty well i don't have qualms with the script writing like there wasn't a point where i felt like a plot point was lost or uh the character's intention was uh you know misinterpreted it's exactly how it should have been interpreted so that's the acting and scriptwriting part of it um shall we talk about the the actual actors who made this movie possible i believe i would right so

27:39 i'm glad to do that because this is a family heavy movie and so almost all the characters we're going to talk about are part of kuhn's family and you know what let's start talking about the elder members of the family we're going to talk about the grandma and the grandpa we're going to have a slight discussion about young grandma because this is a time travel movie so we actually get to hear grandma in the past but most prominently this is the one that uh is what we're gonna probably spend the most time talking about is we get time travel back to right after world war ii we get to meet coons great grandpa as he was as a young man like as a i want to say like mid-20s year old at the time period we don't meet great grandpa in the present day but we get a pretty

28:25 memorable scene of horse riding and motorcycle writing in the past no i think that was a pretty interesting little past segment going into that in particular yeah the segments themselves of this movie are honestly quite brilliant the idea of coon's got a problem in the in the present day and a family member from either the past or the future kind of uh teaches him a lesson that he should be able to carry into the present day and great grandpa helps him learn how to ride a bike but who voices the characters who voices our grandparents here so who would like to know that yes yeah and this is going to be interesting all you people with your bingo cards get them ready because we're going to be talking about people that you may not have heard before if you only follow voice actors

29:10 playing the grandma we have eileen takei playing the grandpa we have victor brandt playing past grandma we have valerie arum and playing young grandpa uh past great grandpa it's hard to describe in the greaser grandpa let's let's say grease or grandpa there we go that's a good yeah because he has a greaser he's a uh plane engineer is the none other than daniel day kim and now i just listed off four names there and if you recognize all four of them you are very verse on imdb because i did not recognize all but one when i was putting this whole thing together so so i'm curious uh mr clue what have they all dumb so eileen is probably best

29:56 known for bit parts in tv shows from the 70s and 80s she had bit parts in murder she wrote matlock and l.a law not really any like uh prominent uh roles uh that i could really point to that i think anyone wouldn't notice but having that experience as she's been around for a while definitely adds to the legitimacy of her as a grandma because she would actually be old enough to fill that role playing victor i'm sorry playing victor is grandpa playing grandpa victor is victor yes okay so what's victor done before uh victor you probably have heard him as something before um just going off of like the most well-known mainstream thing uh you remember the cat in the hat with mike myers from the early 2000s

30:45 i believe i do recognize that indeed so that was a movie that should not have happened and well either way uh victor was the narrator in that movie the one actually reading off the dialogue from the book in that so know it or not a lot of people have actually heard his voice before maybe something uh it's a little more well known is uh in the superman the animated series series uh he plays the character of professor hamilton um and those are really the most prominent roles that he's had like eileen he's had bit parts in a lot of television uh but he's actually been doing it since 1964. this guy has been performing for over 50 years

31:30 wow oh yes indeed so again two character actors who are absolutely qualified to play grandparents uh someone who is less qualified is valerie arum who plays the young grandma now she is uh this is the name that andrew uh knew about not from her voice acting work but i believe you said from her directing work uh yes she is a very she is very much a big big time video game voice over director she does a lot of particular projects at pcb productions a couple of notable ones that she has voice directed recently uh she's directed the dubs for the zero escape the nunnery games uh monster hunter wild catherine full body

32:19 and uh okay who am i kidding she's the director of the persona 5 and various many many persona games like she is basically the one that has dubbed pretty much every like persona game dub in the past decade yep every main line every spin-off and it's also notable as far as voice work because for a good amount of them uh she took over as the the voice actor for a major character in persona 4 for the persona 4 spin-off games notably things like arena ultimax dancing all night and blazblue crosstag battle uh has naoto shiragane the detective prince so see you that whole

33:06 section there i'm very proud of you andrew i didn't understand a word of it but i know but i know people i know i know at least one i know one person is going to kill me if i don't mention this if you're here get her uh valerie is also aurelia lagoon in the legend of heroes trail of trails of cold steel i'm sure that's something that exists i i don't think you're just making that up i just don't know what that is because i don't play the games of videos you [ __ ] i know you're not a boomer but yo you're every day you sound more and more like one not that i just i never grew up with games okay i've devoted my energies to a lot of different things there i'm sure i'm versed in something that you've never heard of either

33:53 very possible but yeah valerie like you said a lot of experience in voice acting directing and has done some voiceover work herself so she's more than qualified in this section here someone who is also very well qualified is our greece or grandpa voiced by daniel de kim he is someone who has been in uh quite a bit of both voice acting and live action interestingly enough uh if you're more like andrew's age and you watch the divergent franchise you might remember him as jack kung but if you're more of a voice actor person he's been in uh things like he was micah in uh shira the series it's on netflix right now gotta pronounce that correctly uh if you saw reya the last dragon the newest disney movie that just got

34:40 released to disney plus he plays the dad benja in that one uh famously known as the one who made people question are anime and dads getting too hot no and the answer is no cowards you get you [ __ ] [ __ ] ass cowards give us those dilfs we deserve them we need them give us all the dilves give us all the milfs give us all the hot [ __ ] parrots it's not a shame to be a parent and also be good-looking kind of like the grandpa in this movie like like i'm looking at his picture there andrew you're looking at his picture there look you're look you're eventually going to outgrow your childhood crushes but guess what the parents are just as fine if not better as you get older

35:25 and you will come around to that you will join us in the embrace sooner or later it will come like like i had that revelation recently when they brought sergeant frog back where like oh the sis the sister that like when i was reading the the books and watching a little the anime as a kid like oh she's really cute you got it now that i'm older now i'm but the mom is a milf and she always was why do you hate to use that how many times has the phrase milf been uttered on this podcast alone probably more times than we we have any right to but but it's true it's true that the sergeant frog mom hell of an editor and one hell of a look get it she can

36:11 get it god now i want to watch that show again but we'll do that later um let's let's talk about um let's try let's knock off grandma grandpa and pass grandma here because they're the ones who have to talk about the dub let's not knock them off let's just let's talk about them a little bit here so grandma and grandpa we see grandma right at the beginning because she is actually watching [ __ ] while uh mariah is being born because you don't take your four-year-old with you to the hospital you get grandparents to watch them of course you don't take your four-year-old with you to while you're giving birth that's basically about guaranteed stress and also probably not healthy for the kid oh no uh eileen uh let's see what notes that i have for eileen um

36:58 well she's got a little bit of um age in her voice um and victor does this well um because we see grandpa later on in the movie it's like the first week that mariah's home there's like uh graham and grandpa come over for a visit and they you know they said like grandparent kind of dialogue so so just just because i'm trying to think about this right now this is different from daniel day kim's character that is correct yes the great grandpa is one generation older than the the two that we're talking about right now okay yeah because they were talking about the fact that they went to his funeral last year yes so he yeah which is why i say that we don't get to see him in the present day of the movie but we get one hell of an introduction in the past so i'll say this i like

37:44 i like valerie and i'm sure victor is very good but it's very it's very they don't get a lot they do a good job at the with the part they need to they interact with the characters they do a good job sounding and playing the part but i really don't have much i particularly remember about either their particular performances they are very bit parts good word to describe them be casual casual yeah sure let's go with that well i mean that's we don't need dynamic over-the-top grandma grandpa voice i mean they they they don't really need to like steal the scenery but they they also they the characters and the performances did the job that they

38:30 needed to do exactly um like i'm looking at uh examples of well-known american voice actors i'm sorry um like american cartoon voice actors who do grandma and grandpa voices and i'm thinking of like tres mcneil tres mcneil does a pretty distinct grandma voice she was like the old bloodbender character in that one episode of avatar the last airbender and that's not really fitting for this particular grandma this needed a you know laid back casual not really imposing voice same with the grandpa as well so i i commend eileen and victor for filling their roles exactly the way that they were supposed to be done without taking away from the domestic-ness of the scene that was taking place

39:16 i was talking about they did a good job they did and you know what valerie did too um the reason i wanted to talk about valerie is because valerie uh we get to hear her as the same character of grandma but in the past when coon's mom was coons age and that is exactly why valerie was i feel like was brought in because she has to sound very upset there is just one scene after the mom has done a lot of bad like absolutely trashed the house and we get to hear her behind a door because we don't get to see it directly and she is uh reasonably ticked off as you would as you should i i don't know if you should but you understandably would do so if your child was acting that way

40:02 um so yeah valerie also brought a right level of intimidation to that voice that is distinct from eileen because eileen is playing the you know the more chill laid back i've had children let them raise children now mentality whereas valerie has to have a you know young mom voice that is reasonably ticked off for you trashed my house what is wrong with you but let's talk about uh grease or dad in a little bit because that is uh the stand out for the section here not just because of the voice but also because it's it's just a really interesting idea like it really is i'm criticizing i'm going to criticize this movie a lot as we go here like let's be free i have issues with the fact that it's a very thin movie plot of a story there is no plot it's

40:48 all been yet and i don't particularly like that but i do like this vignette of [ __ ] goes back in time meets his grandpa who is recovering after the war like his leg doesn't work properly and he gets to learn how to ride a motorcycle now how does daniel day kim do it he sounds very cool i think that's the way to put it is that he is genuinely radiating cool guy energy oh yeah like this is a cool dude they call it the greatest generation and um i'm looking at it and like i i believe it i can't deny it i mean it's not just the hotness portion of it it is like you said it's the it's the voice it is actually the um the way that daniel portrays him as

41:36 someone who's accepted the wartime trauma he's gone through and he's dispensing his own wisdom to who is essentially his great grandson and it's it's like really refreshing to watch because i don't know if it did you ever get to meet your great grandparents i never even got to meet my grandparents i'm sorry no it's okay it's not the kind of thing where i'm like particularly wound up about it it's just i i just by the time i was really really cognizant i never they were kind of all gone okay that's i mean i i'm fortunate i guess to have met my own grandparents but i didn't get to meet my great grandparents and i'm not sure how many people really get to so it seems like if you do that would be really hard or somebody

42:22 must have started young right um like it's just an example like uh all my kids get to meet my grandpa my grandpa jim who is their great grandpa and he's still with it he's still doing really well and he's coming up on his 90th birthday and he still acts like he's 10. damn that's [ __ ] crazy good on him do you do you wanna know where i get my energy i got nothing on great on grandpa jim but uh but yeah so i think the the majesty of this of that vignette is that you not only get to meet someone who teaches you how to ride a motorcycle they also you get to connect with someone who you otherwise wouldn't get to and that there's kind of a charm to that getting to re interact with someone who you never even knew but you're connected by family lineage so i i know we were talking about uh

43:10 cool grandpa but cool great great grandpa whatever his dayless uh but i i kind of also wanted to actually go back to uh eileen because i kind of briefly skimmed over uh victor and valerie because they had very big parts i feel eileen does a little more of the meat and potatoes of being sweet kind granny you you see her interact with [ __ ] as well as actually interact with her daughter and kind of reminisce about the fact that oh yeah she used to be a terror kind of like kunis yeah i i actually did like the fact that they showed that the mom wasn't always this like perfect like beacon of maturity and it's like oh no she was

43:57 a [ __ ] brat too once she got like a baby sister too it was it was uh a baby brother yeah i was a brother who were they're very close in age and it's it's funny that the mom uh is kind of in denial she's like no we got along really well me and my brother did and you should too kun you should get along with your sister like me and my brother did and then you go back in time and you don't see them fight or anything the mom is just kind of dismissive of the brother she she's really wanted a cat she wanted a pet not a not a sibling which man that's such a that's such a dark way to end that whole cat thing yeah yeah that was uh very random it's like i i got a cat stuffed animal because i really wanted a cat and then

44:42 it turned out oh she watched a cat kill a bird and that traumatized her that's not the cute fluffy mummer hasoda animals i was promised no it was not so it was not anyways if there if there's one thing to approach from all of the hisoda films uh his first soda is not feline in nature at all it is absolutely canine he is all about doggy style you're just waiting for that weren't you no i literally just thought of it right now but it's very clear if hasoda's gonna do it he's gonna do it doggy style let let him have his words people he had

45:29 in his head he had to get it out same way he had to get this film out all right anyways now that we're done talking about uh soda's first sona um it's not fair it's not fair that everyone keeps asking like are you a furry like i think i feel like he was trying to differentiate it in this movie because there's no fur sonas in this movie anywhere he turns a four-year-old child into a puppy you know what let's talk about that puppy shall we i was gonna say okay yeah the dog in this is actually worth talking about because the dog is just the dog is just kind of a greasy old tired geezer but oh god the voice that we got for him

46:15 now that's something to talk about okay so we're moving over from the grandparents who flesh out the roles a little bit into what we're going to call the dogs and robots section of the movie because not all the characters have to be human and in this case like andrew was saying we have the family dog yuko who is been around for a while and has been felt understandably neglected after the children came along uh you know if you saw a lady in the [ __ ] and you know how the dogs get treated when the kids come around well it's like they say when the baby moves in the dog moves out but we also get insight from yuko's perspective and that is why we got a voice to go with that and i can't

47:00 wait to talk about this we also have uh near the end of the movie in the last vignette we have a trip to a bit of a terrifying train station it's it's modeled on tokyo station which is absolutely huge and just as kind of like kids would envision it rightfully terrifying based on the size and because of that we needed a robot who is acting as kind of the lost and found director and so we have the tokyo station robot who is voicing that so voicing these two yuko is voiced by and i was so happy when i get to read this to andrew it's crispin freeman ladies and gentlemen i'm so glad remember what i was talking

47:46 about the fact that uh we speculate that hasoda likes to do a doggy style we know cause crispin [ __ ] freeman is playing it doggy style ladies and gentlemen yes he is he gets he gets to play not just uh dog form yuko but he also gets in a vignette segment he's personified as a full-grown human man who just happens to have a dog tale as you do and voicing the tokyo station robot is one joe j thomas not quite as famous as mr freeman but equally as talented uh from this film i will say so like i've recognized the name joe thomas before

48:32 i'm trying to think where where have i heard him uh well let's go through that a little bit um what has joe done before joe is definitely a voice acting person he has been in hundreds of different roles before dating back to the early 2000s um let's see uh he was oliver in hero mask oh oh okay hang on wait you're gonna need to specify which hero mask i didn't realize that there was more than one well mr noah clues sort of a fun little thing about the fact that sentai film works picked up uh the home video rights to hero mask but we're not able to secure the rights to the netflix english dub so they straight up produced

49:19 their own english dub of hero mask so there are now two different dubs of the same show in the span of like two to three years okay i see now there's a netflix dub and there's a sentai dub so that's um i don't know why uh you would think that i was talking about the sentai one considering we're talking about and a new york g didn't get dubbed remember that well that not yet it could still happen hold out hope it didn't get dubbed yet a lot on that anyways i i was just i was adding that on to be facetious what else has he done

50:04 okay uh so on top of being in the other dub of hero mask uh he was also um shuji in dura rahra and he was uh oh he's he's the tired guy in that okay i recognize him yep that's one voice and then um for all you hunter hunter fans out there he was in the the 2011 hunter hunter series oh oh he's the samurai guy from the spiders okay i'm nodding i haven't seen the show but i'm nodding like abs yup that's the one but the one yeah he's been in a lot of different things so i just tried to pick out three random things there um now uh what's crispin freeman been in on the other hand well that's just a a really long list to

50:51 pick from there and i had a hard time narrowing it down like do i again do i need to tell people what crispin freeman's been in like he's a la card in helsing he's uh the the the guy in pro mare who's on all the posters not not the one missing his shirt the other one like uh hey god hang on if you're gonna if you're gonna address him you need to address him gravel i can't do that i can't match that i'm gonna take your audio and that's what we're gonna use to introduce him i mean yeah crispin freeman's just been around a long time instead of a lot of different things um to differentiate up just a little bit because we're talking about a new york-based dub i'm like he's also electro in spectacular spider-man which is a show

51:36 that i don't think it was [Music] but it was it's set in new york so i'm like i'm just gonna tie this back into where we started from forgot yes i forgot he was in that [ __ ] and andrew do you want to stop recording and just go watch spectacular spider-man instead we're already halfway through i've committed come hell or high water but i but it's the temptation it's tempting it's tempting spectacular spider-man was really good dude it was a really really good show it was it's one of the best things that greg weissman did it almost as good as gargoyles and it's a shame that it didn't get renewed for a third season damn you disney i'm still heartbroken about that that was a good dumb i think there was other anime voice

52:22 actors in that show too wasn't was it ben disk and eddie brock yes he was what i was thinking of was like well speaking of anime voice actors we had uh ben diskin himself in uh in that show as uh that's venom and sp and uh eddie brock but we're not talking and i think now the current uh disney cartoon voice of spider-man is robbie damon which you know what good on him okay we are going off track we'll talk about that let's move from spiders over to dogs here andre i want to ask a very serious question about um one of these characters here uh sure go for it is chrisman freeman a very good boy mr clue how many years has one crispin freeman

53:07 been a part of the industry how many characters has he defined from his voice talent and expertise of the industry alone to ask if crispin freeman is not the goodest of boys seems like an understatement and a discredit to the years of talent expertise and fine-tuning his craft oh you're talking about the character aren't you you're talking about the dog right i mean all of those are accurate i'm not discounting your claims and i'm glad that you went off into like a sermon there almost like how many roles must a man uh perform to be a good boy i say to you my brothers and sisters but more importantly uh i am glad that this dialogue that the script finally

53:53 acknowledges the truth of the industry and that is that crispin freeman is in fact a good boy i'm gonna be honest like the fact that like this isn't even just like i was kind of worried this character was going to be a little more dickish because he was basically the third wheel of the family at this point in that yeah in that you had the young child who took priority and then you have the younger younger child he wasn't even really bitter he was just like everybody got the attention but now i'm not getting the attention anymore and i'm not even getting the good dog food anymore which by the way i'm so happy i'm so happy that the dog got his good dog food again

54:39 that was the entire purpose this movie it wasn't like this movie was only created as a promotion for the good dog food ladies and gentlemen go buy your dog's blue brand dog food the good stuff with the end cap that twenty dollars for a little bag of it that is what your dogs actually want imagine if they put as much time effort as much and money into an anime dog food commercial as they do a cup noodles commercial a cup or cup noodles or mcdonald's commercials oh you're talking about weathering with you oh you haven't seen the mcdonald's promo anime you mean weathering with you no no oh my oh wow okay there's half people listening to this so there's like this immaculately animated um mcdonald's anime promo like it was commissioned by

55:26 mcdonald's from mcdonald's by a japanese animation company i don't know which one it was this was a couple years ago but it basically showed a young girl uh interning at mcdonald's and she has a senpai that is you know like training her from the ground up and there's a second part where like they get together romantically at the end of the whole thing and it's just this giant over-the-top animated spectacle to go to work for mcdonald's that's what it is it's a it's a promo video for them that's what i'm talking about see i haven't seen weathering with you yet okay okay that makes a lot more sense okay i know i have to all right i was i was doing i was being a bit [ __ ] there but no i actually i vaguely remember the mcdonald's commercial but that was uh

56:13 that was a whole thing in and of itself um i you tell me that weathering with you has mcdonald's promos it's a big movie so it doesn't have the fake mcdonald's it has big capital m mcmoney in it holy cow yes that's what i mean anyways ah [ __ ] what was i talking about okay so going on more to talk about uh crispin freeman um yeah yeah i think the funniest thing after they have the reveal that you just got the crotch the old man not even old just middle-aged i'm not even sure what i would say he's not old i wouldn't even call him like a dirty hobo looking he's just he's 35 and you can tell he stopped

57:00 trying three years ago that's the or i'd describe him yeah i mean the credits don't even list him as uh dog or yuko exactly they list him as a mysterious man uh even though we know who he is he's you know the personification of the like the second the second he throws the ball and he chases it it's like oh that's who that is that was so great i love that i i loved like we had 15 minutes of like domestic chaos before this with the mysterious grumpy old man telling him off and then he throws the ball and he chases it it's like okay that's a punchline i was like oh that's by crispin of all people like it's i i can't imagine that half the joy didn't come from knowing

57:46 that it's this uh world-class professional like juilliard trained voice actor which the funniest thing upon watching the rest of the movie is during the regular chaos of everyday life where it's like the parents are stressed the child is being bratty and the baby is crying you hear barking and then you recognize the barking is the very deep barset dulced tones of one professional grade industry voice actor crispin freeman and it's just it's just very funny because it's just they're just in the sea of family chaos there is just crispin freeman who got good money that day to bark like a dog because it's just a very deep woof woof and it's like oh i hear alucard in

58:33 there nice uh i couldn't i admit i i couldn't pick that out myself i i didn't realize that it was um oh no those bars those barks weren't just like pre-made like dog barks no that was crisp and free man very clearly yeah now you mentioned i'm like yeah the pitch was there too it was it was a lot deeper yeah yeah it is yeah it's deeper and it's it's not like super low crispin it's you know it's kind of that mid-range where he's being uh semi-intimidating but not so intimidating that you don't think he's a good boy but no he he's he's very fun his old man his not old badge just yeah i know what you're trying to say he's stuck you could tell he's been at the job he's been at for like

59:18 five years now he stopped putting in the effort to clean up like four years ago so now he just goes in with a coffee like three layers of bags under his eyes and he just has like a bit of soup and he just doesn't care anymore i'd love to see that version of the office where it he's a character in there he's coming in with his uh t-shirt that says is it friday yet and she's got bad dad jokes everywhere that yeah that's the character we needed in the office reboot also he secretly has uh floppy ears and a tail as you have to this this is the closest that we get to uh the um uh not just the furry uh fandom that uh soda seems to like to cater to in his movies uh this is also the closest we

1:00:03 get to that thing he was talking about in an interview where he wanted a movie focused on animals and children this is as close as we get are you this what the hell is the boy and the beast a movie about a child and an animal i misspoke i misspoke i don't mean this is the closest that it gets in any of his movies i mean this is the closest that gets in this movie oh okay okay that that makes more sense anyways yeah i i miss that makes a lot more sense i was gonna say all of his movies are about children and animals the [ __ ] you wanted that yeah this one it this is the least one about the animal this is way more about the kids and terrifying the kids that might expect that might explain why this one's

1:00:49 maybe not as uh critic i mean you could be nice and just say not as critically renowned but yeah we could be more blunt and say not as good anyway if this had more animals it would have been a little bit better and the one animal did had also was did you notice that for some reason uh yuko has some very jank cg a lot of the time it's a mix uh they he there's some discussion in the interview about and some of the background information from like his interview with cartoon brew where he talks about how they were trying to integrate more cgi into this than some of the other movies um but i i didn't notice it as much with yuko like i knew it was there like i could

1:01:35 tell when it switched over but it didn't stand out to me as much as the hand-drawn stuff i i it wasn't like terrible but it was it was definitely a little uncanny at times especially in a lot more of the vibrant scenes of chaos and the chaos is very vibrantly animated and it's it sort of like sticks out where everybody's moving around in pretty gorgeously animated realistic chaos and then there's just nuko who is clearly not running at the same frame rate as the rest of the movie and it's a little i got it i gotta admit i didn't notice that so i'll have to go back and give that a rewind but i will end off and say that i do think that crispin freeman did brought a

1:02:21 very fun amusing bitter charm to this character he got some very good barks in he was a very and yes he was a very good boy that's so glad we ended up on that line honestly that's just a good closer it is such a good closer and it's funny i don't know if it was intentionally supposed to be funny in the original but they definitely played it for laughs in the in the uh in the dub i don't know i feel like just the fact that it's just a good it's just a good punchline to just hear a very gruff tired old dog talk about how good they are because dogs are so good anyways they are anyways just to segue this a little bit um i'll say this much uh i think

1:03:09 the cg looked a lot better on the robot because it was way more stylized and dreamlike actually quite quite literally storybook-esque in his design and the way he moved like i think some of the best benefits of the weird dream sequence future past segments i mean there is no it's have you ever seen the movie um uh what's called slaughterhouse five offhand no let me get mr ahmandul on speed dial no no no we'll bring we'll cue him in for when we actually cover that anime when we cover the slaughterhouse five

1:03:54 anime but that's a move that's a movie and a book consequently where the character is experiencing time fourth dimensionally so they're experiencing basically all time uh timelines possible timelines at the same time i feel i wonder if that was actually an influence on this actually that movie was a big influence on a director who you probably know very well satoshi cone that does not surprise me at all yeah the idea of uh time traveling and it not being like linear it's just kind of spontaneous that that's a very slaughterhouse five kind of mentality okay so yeah so i i bring that up because this robot is definitely supposed to represent the um like this this could be a future where uh you know you are not wanted anymore

1:04:40 um while still being a reflection of the real world because it's very much supposed to be like tokyo station which is incredibly chaotic if you've ever seen video or oh i mean i can imagine tokyo station is just the pure affinity of chaos incarnates like that doesn't surprise me going a little more into like the robot uh i think he is very much just representing like a lost child con lost child conductor looks works at the place but he very much has an aura of like fantasy story like like i i mentioned earlier on in this that it feels like this was the empathy tree that it was like teaching like fables and morals and stuff to

1:05:26 our main character and i almost feel like he feels something out of like the climax of a children's storybook where it's like this is like the nightmare scenario where it's like if you don't behave and nobody want nobody's gonna watch you would come to get you and i feel like joe in particular has a very good clinical cold delivery in that i don't think he is he is not particularly mean but he is not particularly warm either he is purely amoral and indifferent i think the intent in uh both the original and joe's delivery was to sound like an automated phone line if you've ever gotten one of those pre-recorded automated lines that tell

1:06:12 you you know press one for this option press two for this one and that kind of robotic um like i said that robotic coldness is uh is disquieting but it's really kind of uh entertaining to know that they're they had a voice actor in the booth replicating that so it was it was much more engaging like joe gave it a lot of ominous flavor that it plays a bunch more if you're a lost child obviously um but i want to get props to that because that's not hard that's not easy to do it's very easy to be monotone and sleep inducing with that kind of voice but he's not he is like uh engaging robot mode like if wally had an actual speaking voice it would be kind of like this

1:06:58 okay no no i feel like wally would be much warmer than what joe was giving off okay i'm trying to think what's on our famous robot that would have oh the iron giant there it's kind of like what the iron giant had but without the family and the gun and the gun does he have a gun he does not have a gun um i mean i'm glad i was gonna say technically neither does the iron giant he he both is and isn't one he chooses not to be one he could be one but he chooses not to be and iron giants are [ __ ] good it does we should go watch that instead all right hold on guys we'll be right back in a minute we're going to go watch the arrangement really quickly 90 minutes later oh what a good one

1:07:44 awesome my god they don't make movies like that anymore warner brothers was oh my god why didn't nobody go see this movie when it was out oh man what are we talking about see i do want to go into an expose about the fact that warner brothers completely misuses and appropriates the image of the iron giant to be a much more violent and marketable character than he was ever originally supposed to be but we should probably continue finishing the stop talking yeah so i'll point out that um joe good so he jokes he is good the um i'm glad that you picked up on that he's supposed to be uh the character is supposed to be a storybook representation of like a morality character because the actual like he looks he looks like a i don't know i almost want to say he looks like a very

1:08:29 water like a very distinct watercolor like children's book pop design like this feels like the specifically the way his eyes and his hands do their things yeah they feel like feel literally pulled out of a picture book well that's that's good because it was actually animated and designed by a couple of picture book authors the um there's a book that doesn't surprise me at all actually do you remember uh near the beginning of the book when mariah comes home and [ __ ] is kind of uh introducing the world to her uh one of the things he does is show a picture book that has a uh a red-faced monster on the cover of it oh the one that the one had he would eventually call his mom yes like just like that one um that is a

1:09:15 real book that is written by a wife and husband uh artist group that does children's books who were commissioned specifically to design some of the background some of the nightmare imagery and this robot character for the movie um and okay credit where it's due it's clear that soda did not skimp out on the authenticity at all it it very very much looks like a character from something i would read yeah which is is uh why i appreciate that uh it has different styles i like it when movies have different animation styles that's why i do like uh ralph bakshi movies more than i probably should because they change up the style when it's appropriate like they saved in this movie they saved the scary robot clockman for a scene

1:10:03 where it would be appropriate joe's got a very good uh authoritative clinical and just distilled that's a good word i could use describe it very distilled but no i i think he did a good job i think both joe and especially crispin did a very good job with the fun little characters also just because there's no place to really talk about it anywhere else man isn't it weird that we just did konohana kitan relatively recently and they very briefly had a uh oh hey you're getting uh you're getting uh that's uh yuko's uh foster family i was like wow and they also represented them like people it's like man

1:10:48 really weird that they did that oh yeah oh yeah i didn't think about that connection i i have to assume that it wasn't intentional it's just oh it was absolutely not intentional but i really doubt i really doubt that mamaroo soda had recently watched the very in very endearingly sweet yet also horny furry fox anime actually no that actually does sound like it's speeding look just just i mean you've seen odd taxi he might not like it because they're a little too human looking that's true he's like if they're not all covered in fur then what's the goddamn point he probably he's probably a bigger fan of the boss than he has any of the other yeah he was absolutely there for you papa i was just about to say that that

1:11:34 was what he tuned in for he was like skip all right skip skip skip skip oh talking uh older fox lady let's focus on

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