Dub Talk Presents: Summer at the Movies - The Boy & the Beast

0:01 Judah Judah Parekura get in here I'm here I'm here already you don't have to yell at me COO motet where have you been training was supposed to begin at exactly five o'clock we don't even have clocks in the animal world that's besides the point now pay attention this training has got some new rules I already know all the rules and this time I'm going to kick your butt we'll see about that now here's the first rule the following exercise may contain language that is not suitable for younger listeners human or animal alike Lister discretion is advised wait that's your important rule how's that going to teach me anything about shut your mouth boy I have some respect for your master now here's the next rule the following exercise may contain

0:47 spoilers for the boy the Beast as well as every other animate existence be wary a case there's any anime being discussed that you haven't finished yet and finally in case you see any giant cgi whales be sure to run like hell wait hold on one the world of cgi anyway I don't know it's just what they put in the disclaimer now get ready cute cuz this is gonna hurt way worse that he think that stupid bacon dish out oh yeah like the way he totally handed your ass to you last time and everybody was betting against you but no no no how who knows that was way heard me right now and all run other one we'll just a karate help you with those guys I'd rather Doron

1:33 [Music] hello I'm spaceman hardy and I am Noah clue and welcome to another edition of dub talks summer at the movies a special series of episodes were two members of the dub talk cast pair off and review the dub of an anime film that has either recently been released to theaters or has come out on home video and tonight we are abandoning the human world altogether and venturing into the wild and untain world of the beast realm yes we are going to be donning tux hooks tails and all manner of fariñas in order to cover the latest the outer release from acclaim the Japanese director mom or her soda ladies gentlemen and everyone in between this is the boy and the beast

2:18 right you are Noah clue and this is actually hosted as not all not his first foray into films it is his fourth 9/4 original film after such a critically acclaimed works such as a girl who led through time summer wars and wolf children although he's also directed films for the popular digimon and one piece of franchises as well oh let's be calm did we get the Digimon movie that he directed no we did not did we get the one piece film he directed no we did not we kind of sort of got the Digimon movement was it we don't speak of that here we have summer wars we are good with what we don't need all right we don't need that did you movie yeah we don't speak of that as far as the boy

3:06 and the beast a brief description is as follows there is the human realm and the Bakke mono realm the shootin guy and these two worlds which must not intersect their lives a lonely boy named Ren in Tokyo's Shibuya ward and a lonely bah kimono one day the boy gets low gets lost in the Bakke omona world where the beasts world becomes the disciple of the Beast kumatetsu and is renamed kuta the reason for this being that won't you tell us why are they what is the reason for Kyoto wanting this apprentice well the for kyouto wanting to The Apprentice well kumatetsu I'm sorry that's okay so basically uh Japan does not have a very good Child

3:53 Protective Service so I don't they must be sending their money on those giant robots instead however cute a-- has recently lost his mother in a car accident and rather than living with his own family his mother side of the family he decides that he is going to run away and live on his own he is just full-on run away at nine years old simultaneously picked up by this bear like looking creature named kumatetsu who is also kind of an alone in his own world because he is in vying for this upcoming job basically being the lord of the beasts if i'm not mistaken like the lord or the master of the entire realm but in order to do that

4:40 he's strongly advised to take on an apprentice so he himself can sort of learn how to be a better leader a better warrior a better beast altogether right what's happening is that the grand master or lord of the realm is wanting to read is wanting to retire and basically reek incarnate and in order to do so he needs to choose a successor and it's between kumatetsu and another beast named iozen and yoson has the advantage of already having two apprentices as his two sons whereas kumatetsu has none and so in order to put up a better make a better case for himself and put up a better fight against yoson that's why kumatetsu brings along this runaway boy this Rin

5:28 who only names cute ax in order to train him and in a way sort of learn a few things of his own along the way mostly that getting the crap beat out of you by a nine year old is pretty humiliating so you better shape up if you want to be the big guy who's trying to get your job yes indeed indeed so with that in mind we're not really here to what we're going to discuss the film at length but our main focus here is of course discussing the dub um that is a true yes it is called dub talk for a reason ladies and gentlemen and as always we start off speaking of our dubs we start off with the ADR

6:14 director and scriptwriter now as this is a review we're not going to make any predictions I couldn't have made any predictions to begin with because unfortunately this movie never aired in theatrically in Memphis it's you know it's not unprecedented keep in mind that Memphis is though like out in the middle of nowhere I think it's like in a desert surrounded by water right so getting we do have a pick we do have a pyramid [Music] I'd be fair it is a main bastard Egyptian city so not too far from the truth Memphis the American Egypt that's what we're going to call it from now on yes we have a pyramid with a giant Bass Pro Shop side on the side which is by the way we already have taken me there before and it is actually really cool

7:00 yes it is this is 100% true we have a giant Bass Pro Shop in the shape of a pyramid downtown it's a really awesome but anyways yeah so I guess not actual I didn't actually get a chance to watch this movie until recently on home video so I wasn't able to make predictions or or anything but so we're just going to do a basic review and for ADR and scriptwriter we have the one and only Mike McFarland directing this because of course of course like I have to imagine that if there's a big high name profile project that's coming down the pipeline Mike like is just going to be given it whether he wants or not he will be given that project and he will do amazing work on it yeah well it also makes a lot of

7:46 sense in this particular case because he's also directed two of the previous hosts of the film summer Wars and wolf children so it seems like a natural fit for him to step in and also direct this new film right and other high-profile shows that he's tackled he's covered everything full metal alchemist related including Brotherhood and the two films he's covered both Tokyo ghoul andrew day and both seasons of attack on titan as well as a spinoff attack on titan junior high so he's got some pretty big-time projects under his belt as for our scriptwriter we have Bonnie Clinkenbeard who's sort of it up-and-coming writer who has done a lot of recent work on high-profile

8:32 shows such as Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood roast recently Alison's Oroku she also did the very popular shows URI on ice and Black Butler and so what were our opinions of how this film was directed and written because I have a few things I'd like to say well let's let's bend her back and forth on this but before we begin you did not get a chance to watch this movie in Japanese correct no I did not I only get to watch it in the dub okay that's okay the Japanese is very archetypal just from the get-go which makes sense because for big theatrical films they're not going to venture very far outside of the kind of archetypes that Japanese characters usually have here so if you like have a voice in your head for you take a look at como Tetsu and you think like what he

9:19 would sound like in Japanese that's exactly what he sounds like mm-hmm so as far as yeah the dub on this one for directing it it's directed really really well um this definitely got a theatrical level direction from Mike McFarland he took all of the the big emotions of the movie everyone's flaws everyone's weaknesses and he brought them to the full to the forefront one reason that this movie I think is better than the Japanese because it's not archetypal you kind of feel everyone pettiness everyone's flaws in like what they want something but they don't know how to get it or they don't even know what they want it all so I'm really really glad that Mike did that he brought more humanity to all of

10:05 the characters yeah I could definitely see that if I had any criticisms about criticisms about it and I'm going to bring this up in our final thoughts near the end but there seems to be a lot more talking in this film than in post it as other films that's from what I've noticed and because of that amount of talking a lot of times the actors are forced to do run-on sentences just to match lip flaps and I think that in a lot of cases for certain characters sort of took away the realism for me it didn't seem as natural it I could definitely tell that the humanity was there and the emphasis was there and the passion was there but it didn't

10:50 really sound like people actually speaking at times because they were forced to match their lip flaps and because even in the Japanese there's these long stretches of run-on sentences that from from from characters who just doing these long exposition sequences and so if I had any if I had any criticism on the directorial efforts I think Mike did a good job naeli like you said daily the humanity but I don't really think this was Mike's fault it's mainly the fault of the movie it does take it out of it when you hear these characters go Yammer on and on it on just to match the lip flaps there is no yeah there's no doubt that they they

11:35 had no way to get around that when there's no way you can like cut the camera away from the characters his mouth moving to pretend like oh they just stopped talking because we stopped focusing the camera on them no the cameras on the characters you see those flaps going and so we've got to add dubbed dialogue to those things and a true and now this would have been such a problem with all these run-on sentences if it was I'd say like very well-written kind of dialogue like good I also want to think of Cowboy Bebop where people can say one thing but they're really conveying a different emotion this movie does not have that problem people mean pretty much exactly what they're saying with Mia and maybe a good enough transition over to the script writing as well yeah I think the script writing as

12:21 per body Clinkenbeard forte is very accurate to the Japanese and while usually that's a very good thing I think in certain cases it actually kind of kind of hurts the script because it's so accurate and the story in general is odd on the confusing side to say the very least like you will talk about confused okay for all you people all you up-and-coming script writers out there if you've got a movie a movie is about 90 minutes maybe two hours of the most you've got enough time to have maybe three big ideas juggling in your movie this movie decided is going to take four or six big ideas that we can list off

13:07 there's the ideas of parenthood there's the concept of raising yourself there's the concept of humanity being evil naturally there's the break down of should you be a feral child or should you be part of society like it jump all over the place add that for no apparent Ella Kinesis and creating giant whales out of nowhere I'm like what look look a soda I understand you want to put big giant spectacles and your the movie before we know it was summer Wars had giant whales in it that does not have to become a running theme if it does not fit in your movie asada mmm-no hosted o likes him some whales and he likes him some furries so well lit I think my could speak for everyone

13:52 everyone at dub talked lots of furries none more look everyone on the dub crew loves kimono friends and will have no shame on that whatsoever or show by rock especially show by rock yes yeah no it's just I found the story rather confusing and this isn't really Bonnie's fault because she had only so much to work with no no but yeah it's just a rather confusing film because apparently the darkness in the humanities heart can cause us to can grant us telepathic powers and I'm like really I mean because there are some evil people out there I don't want them to see them meditating Jon katanas and and and creating giant whales out of nowhere so

14:38 it does it yes it doesn't help that the reference that they make back to the the darkness of humanity is tied to the book Moby Dick and if you've ever read that book that's enough that's a confused book as well it was it was Herman Melville trying to be Nathaniel Hawthorne by just cramming as many ideas as we wanted into it and it just is way too bloated for his own good so I think that movie I seem to remember that you really hate that book mmm you have no idea that there are funny parts in that book like I wrote a whole class essay about how homosexual Moby Dick is not just a title but like you know lots of guys on a ship all by themselves they're like squeezing the oil out of the dead whale and like it's very erotic yeah Ishmael getting spooned

15:23 by the one who's there you got another part yeah so back to Bonnie direct script writing on this she did not decide to overload the script and like try to change the dialogue to make it more thoughtful she stayed like you said very faithful to what people are thinking is what they say people are screaming it means they're screaming people are contemplating their I'm all alone in this world it means they think they're all alone in this world yeah I can't say it was a detriment to the film or to the dub of it I honestly think if you're going to adapt this for English go ahead and stick to the faithful everyone says what they feel mentality if there's a shortcoming to it that's the fault of the Japanese yeah I think

16:09 yeah both directing wise and script writing wise they were both competently and well done it's just the fault of the source material if there are any faults at all yeah and yeah yeah so nothing I feel like we have to apologize to say like we love you guys it's just that you know you're saddled with really crappy materials yeah well we'll get back to this in our final thoughts where we actually discuss the film proper but let's move on to our first pair we're going to start with the first pair of main characters we have iozen who is one of the two candidates to take over for the grandmaster and we have the Grandmaster himself who we explained later is trying to choose a successor so that he can reincarnate and become a god of some sort or organ eight videos in'

16:56 if you need visual shorthand yoson is the big bore and the grandmaster is the big bunny yes the Grand Master is what happened to King Kozma and why eighty years yeah yeah yeah basic so iozen is played by Sean Hannigan you've probably heard him in one piece as gold Roger he was let's see he was Lord Montague in Romeo X Juliet he's Yoshimura in Tokyo ghoul meisa and Baccano and let's see here I wrote this down but I forgot where where was it was yes tension from noragami he played one of the Elder Gods that is he here he's

17:43 got a he seems to have a panache for playing a deities almost or the Lords and deities Lords deities and kindly old men basically like mother figure types and for the Grandmaster he is played by Steve Powell Steve has a quite a list of of roles but he doesn't have any major main roles basically his biggest roles were as yo Jima in fairy tale what is this he was Yas is o and cheeky lilac definitely requires us to mention cheeky whenever we possible and his only major role was in the symbiotic planet version

18:31 of the OVA to as Lane and that's basically it for Steve Powell so what did we think of these two performances well I think that Sean Hannity n is probably someone who I need to pay attention to a lot closer because I did not expect this voice out of this character when I heard that he was going to be playing iozen because the one role I know of most for is as Lord Montague from Romeo X Juliet and he is a total bastard in that movie oh really I'm serious yeah though hearing him in this he he sounds a little too old I think frozen he said yet he sounds more on the more seasoned side and iozen supposed to from

19:16 his appearance and his attitude he's supposed to be a bit of a younger sterner character but it definitely probably in his mid 30s early 40s I would assume well we're not quite sure how old boards live for I mean the you know the ages the ageism this is a interesting topic and we'll get to that when we talk about the characters who become kids and then become adults yeah yeah but I liked it I liked his a good counterbalance to do como Tetsu who will talk about later which is what was required if they cast someone who sounded exactly like the English version of homo Tetsu we as the listeners would have no reason to get invested in it but he doesn't he sounds exactly the opposite still manly still fatherly but in a I almost want say Eastern leeway yeah no I

20:04 I really like to use and as a character to be perfectly honest and I think Shawn does play him very well he's played very more mannerly you know respectable he's just he's the gift of straight man compose as a prop Booga I can't speak I can the dumb he is the straight man as opposed to kuhmo Tetsu's wildcard basically he is the I guess he's the yin to the yang you could say and I think he does that really well he's very well composed it plays a good fatherly character and even though he's the rival he's by no means a bad person or a villain at all we in fact you can even say that a lot of people want a lot

20:50 of people viewers would even root for Yeo's and over kumatetsu you're not running one and yeah I think Shawn really plays it well even in the beginning of the movie when they have their very first fight who's voting for kumatetsu no one absolutely no one the entire the entire marketplace and we're talking is like you know hundreds maybe thousands of CGI furry characters are all rooting for this guy as it's rooting for iozen and so yeah and it would make sense to because like you said he's got the the better mannerisms to it him compared to the Japanese it's also very archetypal so I appreciate that Shawn brought a little more vulnerability to this guy like you can tell that he's he's trying to be as paternal as

21:37 possible but when we get to some of the more emotional scenes and we see some of his own shortcomings I buy it a little bit more from Shawn than I did from the Japanese voice right and as far as the Grandmaster goes he is a wily old man and he's a really fun to listen to I think Steve brings a sort of liveliness to him an eccentricity that is very enjoyable and we don't get to hear much from Steve pal but but I like what I heard in this particular role he's sort of a well I get a wily old man just having fun at basically at the expense of everyone he's just you know he's reached his low is he's reached

22:23 retirement and he just wants to go out with a bang so he's just sort of having fun with everything not giving very many cares in the world at this point I have to wonder if some when you reach retirement age if it's like a job requirement that you have to start acting like a crazy old man well the one the character that he kind of reminded me of lism you think Kung Fu Panda right yes he was sort of the old turtle the alter yes he was exactly like that where he's clearly above everybody else in terms of I got my act together you young uns I just think it's adorable that you young uns are trying to figure out what you're doing still here are some tickets to go on a vacation mm-hmm

23:10 so yeah see what actually he sounded almost identical I think to the Japanese voice as well and I don't know if I haven't heard Stephen a whole lot so I don't know if this is like his natural speaking voice but his natural acting voice but yeah we could definitely use a little bit more of this it was by far the goofiest sounding voice in the know maybe the second goofiest voice in the whole cast yeah yeah it was enjoyable all things considered for these two I think they both you know they both stepped into their roles pretty well even though they're not the biggest characters in the film they definitely made them memorable in their own well this whole movie is from what I understand from the way that Posada described it it's supposed to be an analogue to fatherhood because he has

23:55 just become a father himself but before he started making this movie so we've got all of the older mentor figures are pretty much analogues for different ways to be a father so we've got iozen is the cool collected dad who maybe trusts his children a little too much and the Grandmaster is you know he's grandfather at the retirement home yeah yeah and we'll get to kumatetsu in a little bit Oh will we ever oh yes yeah yeah two two tusks up for poor Shawn and Steve yeah moving on to osun's children his first two his main two apprentices his own kids we have ichirohiko and jeera maru now here's the thing ichirohiko has a deep

24:42 dark secret whereas Jerome Morrow is yeojin's biological child he's got the Tufts you see a little piglet it starts out he's got the tusks in the snout and everything strangely ichirohiko does not have those what could it mean yes yeah and not to spoil too much but he's got his own deep dark secrets and they come out to the forefront near the end of the film and giant whales are a thing apparently so if this movie is like our own giant whale you know we're just chasing it but we can never kill it yes so ichirohiko we actually both of these characters have to voice actors at peace both for their child version and for

25:29 their adult version for children as children ichirohiko is voiced by morgan Barry and Jerome Morrow is voiced by Brittany karpowski when they grow up and get older ichirohiko is voiced by Austin Tyndall and Jerome Morrow is voiced by Josh Greeley now morganberry you've heard in roles most recently in elde lives as a chewed-up you've also heard her in love-life sunshine as johani she was let's see Hajime suji in three leaves three colors I am ooh-ooh zero in Tokyo ESP and also sigh Oh saman G in token

26:19 Ramu honimaru rolls similar to this that Britney car bow ski has played is obviously black star in Soul Eater she also played a little boy character in D Grayman Hollow as Timothy Hurst other roles you've heard her in and let's see here she's been all over the place basically yeah she's one of those actors who shows up in both Funimation and the adv slash sentai roles yeah recent role we're probably not doing an episode of this because the basically almost everyone here hates it but she's recently Lele Lele Lele Lele lalalina in date and let's see here she's also

27:06 Chizuru Yukimura in haku okie among other things now before we move on to the adult voices what were our opinions of the twins as children they're diametric opposite to each other which is perfect because the characters are diametric opposite stu each other mm-hmm I can I can say for I've had a bit of a troubled history with Brittany Carr Belski slowly because she's amazing at what she does well and what she does well is playing annoying bratty characters which kitematic can either make or break your perception of the actress or self in this one though it works out pretty good because it's a it's a dork like Jiro Mario is a big fat dork but it is a lovable kind of big fat

27:53 door what one piece stop picking on our main character I went from absolutely hating juromaru to actually kind of liking him what a span of a few seconds why and that's I think that's what what it was is because he went from qutuz biggest rival to his best friend in the span of one fight and yeah good on you Brittany for really portraying both of those sides there it's a very believable boy who is just kind of learning how to make friends kind of personality yeah on the other hand we have Morgan Berry's ichirohiko as younger voice we actually as kids were sort of led to believe that

28:38 each row he Co is the good one because he actually tries to defend q2 from other kids picking on him but it's the most common I think he's the most complex written character because like you said he's supposed to seem like the good one because of trying to defend Keota but listen to that dialogue it's not I'm defending this character because I feel bad for him I don't want hard to come to him he's defending him because he doesn't think kiotas worth it right he's like yeah you're not you're not even worth beating up just piss off basically we have bigger fish to fry and you're not worth it and all the rest you people stop picking on this little fish he's very condescending sort of what is the proper word sort of a backhanded

29:27 compliment almost it's very much that very backhanded sugar-coated insult and I will say this about Morgan's performance I've heard her as little boy characters before and I've mentioned this that it kind of bugs me a lot of times when she plays these prepubescent roles where the voice cracks a lot yeah it's here I didn't really I really didn't mention it I didn't really notice it here I guess because each row he goes naturally so much more soft spoken and and quiet when he's a child yeah and so yeah I liked both of these performances here now when they grow up we have Austin Tyndall and Josh Greely who take over the reins now for Josh Greely we

30:13 don't really hear a lot but this doesn't really sound from a little bit we do hear of G Romero he doesn't really sound like typical Josh Greeley here by proving that he's the you know black magic black wizard of Funimation that you know a camera makes me think of them you finish Keijo right yes of course I finished Keijo remember a character who can grab any girl's ass powers like with just the touch of her hand yes the gait of booty lon that's exactly what I think Josh does he like gives everyone a throat massage or something and all of a sudden he's got the power to pull everyone's voices in out of his own throat that put a very bad mental image into my head but yes

30:58 yes josh has he plays Jairam are rather gruff and at first I didn't know it was him but upon further listening then I could tell ya that's Josh Greely and so that's impressive in my opinion yeah that he has such a range ichirohiko doston $10 ichirohiko though holy crap yeah yeah we've got um we've got a new level of Karma to add to the list here because if anyone you've been watching this show for very long you know that anytime Austin Tyndall plays a crazy character which is all the time we add a new level of karma to his to his long long list here and we finally get to add a new layer and that would now be furry karma yes or pig karma depending on pigs

31:48 can be furry - but yes we'll go with the egg karma yeah obviously we've heard him and roles such as ken kaneki from Tokyo ghoul as karma acaba nay from assassination classroom and as kerley use fir'd from serve at the end all roles in which he gets to let loose emotionally and just scream and yell and shout things and and scare the Dickens out of us and I think he pulls that off especially in the film's climax just tremendously here he turns ichirohiko into the main antagonist of the film who is just absolutely losing his mind and does it in that way that only Austin Tyndall can it's sort of like it Rick I

32:34 got flashbacks to accelerator I don't know if you've seen the magical index series but it very similar to excel or later in that series is just you know unhinged and deranged well it's beautiful to like I'll give some credit to the directing on this is that not only is his his actions deranged and kind of psychotic but it comes right after what was supposed to be a victorious part of the film right yeah we soda just thought you know this one was getting a little too happy we need to we need to kind of have that happiness on the heart right now we need to shish-kabob all goodness and yeah yeah it's yeah we we had a literal backstabbing in the film so yeah

33:22 apparently having darkness in your heart gives you telekinetic powers so who knew yeah yeah it was kind of built up throughout the movie but honestly the fact that this um that Austin's performance as Ichiro each year yeah I can't pronounce English eat your hero heat go there's a few syllables in there plate gets to play him so crazy it makes sense from the themes that they were playing with there were just themes that they were playing with like way at the beginning of the movie that we'd forgotten about by this point right yeah and so yeah these these um two very rocks forward very distinct performances for two different characters very very distinct characters and yeah all things considered I think all four of them did

34:08 either very well or well enough or yeah very well or well enough basic Christian yeah the it's interesting that you mentioned that morganberry cracks that her voice cracks when she's playing prepubescent characters because there's the there's a little bit right after ichirohiko goes crazy we flash back to him being raised and questioning to his dad like what what am i why where are my tux why don't I look like you daddy and that whole part there's a crack to it like a vulnerability in her voice yeah in that scene right it's so yeah it's and I love that a little bit because that I think that's the most memorable part that Morgan gets to play of the character because it's not it's 9

34:54 mysterious somber personally seen before it reminds me a lot of I'm imagining how adopted children would imagine would act when they get a little bit older and they may not share some of the characteristics of their adopted parents like whether their hair or their eyes are different or even skin color and that's just very confused reaction about why am i look what do I look so different from these people who are my family right yeah yeah that sort of that that separation of of of reality versus expectations I would I would say and it's something that real it could be really strong if written for this character II like this could have made the backbone of a movie all on its own it's kind of a shame that it was just instead of having like 8 different

35:40 subplots all at once yeah there's a lot of what where am I who do I belong in that third act there but this could have been built up so much better so I still give props to Morgan for you for playing with such loose material very well yeah speaking of characters who don't really belong let's move on to hi you Kushiro antara you are who are holding no punches back yes it's not that these characters really don't do anything but yeah it's these characters really don't do anything they just hang out sort of hang out at kumatetsu house and just are there well we if you want functionality we need exposition and we need caring figures because kumatetsu emits very

36:28 little caring when it comes to raising Keota right so he akka shubo is a monk who it just happens to be a pig he is the voice of reason and more of a paternal figure in qutuz life we also have Totoro who is another of kumatetsu friends who is sort of the I guess if he akka shubo was the conscience then tatra would be the counter conscience D say devil on your shoulder to hakuchu bows angel on the shoulder they're both in serve as sort of a surrogate father figures towards kuta either encouraging him or

37:15 in tatras case telling him to give up and in both encouraging him in their own ways it's if I had to describe them as a I wouldn't describe such as angels on a shoulder they're more like different ages of the same character Tatara is how you are when you're late teens early 20s just coming a father you still feel like a kid yourself and so you can be much more loose and kind of devil-may-care with your upbringing kind of the George Carlin mentality like George Carlin once famously said like raising kids is no is no difficult task at all which that's Kotaro versus Hioki Shuba who is more seasoned and realizes no kids are a handful and you have a responsibility to

38:02 like you own that child so unless you want to be thrown in jail you have a responsibility yes basically they're cute as gay uncles so okay so yucca shoo yeah yeah let's just go with it almost sexual across species cross religion okay look go with that love conquers all I mean it works so well in rogue one didn't it moving on yoga shubo is played by Alex organ we've heard him as the original voice of show to Aizawa aka Eraserhead in my hero academia season one he's also shota makishima in psycho-pass Zechs

38:48 Lucifer in icicle dxd he's the new voice of togusa in ghost in the shell arise and most famously you probably have heard him as deccan in a death parade totora is voiced by none other tatras a giant monkey and he's voiced by basically a giant monkey Ian Sinclair who you've obviously no heard as space dandy father Leo day from Rachel Bahamut Genesis Dallas Jenna warred from ba Baccano bardroy from Black Butler I can't speak today and zap Renfro from blood blockade Battlefront you are the cookie for all those tongue twisters yes but anyways how did we feel about

39:34 these performances you remember that a microsoft word had that little paper clip that would pop up at the bottom of the screens like can I help you with anything yeah it's kind of like that interest like they're there and they're helpful but I keep wanting to hit a little X to make it go away now as far as active performances go no they're both perfectly great and I don't think I could have put anyone better to play their roles and I get props to them for working with characters that are more functional than fun to have around right yeah Alex definitely brings back the more calm reserved paternal voice and

40:19 Ian Sinclair is like I said a giant monkey so they're both very fitting to the roles that they they play I can fully imagine that Ian got really into the character so he like went out and bought a tail attached to that to him got the the robe that he wears in the movie and it's kind of lauching about the Funimation studios before going into recording he probably even recorded it like lounging about on funimation couch I'm assuming yeah well he already has the facial hair so he didn't really have to do anything in that regards right they will yeah he was they could have just motion captured him into the movie and it wouldn't change anything a very tall lanky monkey it's perfect but ya know I think they both are very fitting

41:05 for these two roles these two characters who ya don't really make a whole lot of impact but they're there regardless and they also serve as the narrator's to the film in general so did one of them narrate the that opening bits I couldn't they both did they both did they took turns oh okay I yeah I see how memorable that was it's like it was the second positioned I couldn't tell which characters they were yeah and I think that that word right there sums up their entire purpose is exposition because I think more than any other characters in the film like we mentioned before they have these long run-on sentences that just build that they use for rural building instead of showing the movie relies on telling it I think

41:52 yeah I think these two are the guiltiest of that the only thing I think could like I'm just a writing perspective I don't think we got any reason why they hang out or tolerate como Tetsu they seem amused by him at the very best like I don't know maybe they were childhood friends or they're they have no friends of their own so you know they gotta settle for whatever they can get but it's yeah it is very unbelievable or why they would waste their time in this movie there's so many better things they could be doing in this movie all right so can we move on I think oh let's see here all right moving on from our sources of exposition we now move on to a human

42:39 which is rare in this movie and not like just like they put cat ears or anything on her like no she's an actual human yes despite spending the majority of his life in in the the bucking moto world our protagonist cute uh does eventually make his way back to the human world and he meets up with a young woman named Kai de who is a student in college or is she in high school or in college she's in college she's in college yeah yeah cuz they're both 18 at this point and it's interesting to note that you said that Quixote had spent most of his life in the spirit room so he spends equally amount of time he spent nine years in the human world before escaping to the spirits to the spirit world to the beast

43:26 world for an additional nine years so he's eight years by this point that she that he's met kya day right but that is true anyways she helps him she teaches him basically how to read and write because he was never you never really received enough instruction and basically sort of serves as his mentor in the human world bringing him giving him sort of a conundrum as to where he belongs you know if he if he needs to live in the human world or the beast world where he where his true place is and I don't like when I don't know how but I know something starting right now watch okay

44:12 Griffith someday he'll be part of your world okay Griffith enough of that okay just a girl who stopped that okay yeah plague Kai day is the one and only Bren April some of roles that are similar to this one are crystalens from attack on Titan she was Hikari from interview with monster girls she Ori from noragami and Eurus from selector in effect or selector infected we cross which was actually a villainous role for her a very rare type usually with Brynn she plays a lot of really cutesy

44:58 high-pitched voice characters and one thing I noticed about this role in particular is that it's much deeper much more natural to her oh it's much closer to her own natural voice yeah and that's one thing I appreciate about this role is that we got to hear a side of Bren we don't usually get to hear especially because with the large amount of actors who work for Funimation it would been very easy to cast an actress who now normally does you know a big girl center like Bertram big girl sounding voices so yeah I agree I'm glad that Brenda gets chance to try some different things here she's an amazingly talented actress and any actress I guess the stretch of their range to do things that you don't normally peg them for is always welcome

45:45 yeah she also played a very similar role in how the movie if you've ever seen it as Kurumi where she did get to stretch her wings in play of a more adult mature role because actually it's I've listened to Brynn April's real voice and this is actually much closer to how she actually sounds in real life really because for those high pitched really young girly roles she actually has to pitch her voice upwards in order to make it interesting I thought that she was more like a Monica rial where her her cyan voice was her normal sounding voice no it's completely different with Monica rial as she's grown older her voices actually gone up in pitch and so when Monica does her big-girl voice she

46:31 actually has to go down and whereas it's opposite with bread with Briggs is naturally set a little bit lower and she has to go up so this is a nice a nice change of pace and I pre appreciate that she was able to bring that to the cast and it's such a shame that she only shows up for half of the movie because her influence on Keota with kind of necessary to be introduced a little bit earlier she's like just all of a sudden we just meet the woman saves her from a couple of bad guys and beats them up and all of a sudden having an emotional crisis about where I belong in the world mm-hmm like am i a man am i a muppet you

47:18 are both you are a muppet of a man I have a very manly muppet a very manly muppet yes we are going to sing a whole lot as much as we can we are not anyway yeah no it's it's refreshing hearing Brenda Skye day and yeah you're right I do think I date belonged more in the movie and probably but then again it would have just added yet another subplot that we'd have to trudge through this bite the eight that are six to eight that we already have yeah there's that there's some contrivance about getting the Keota to go through character changes like the death of his mom and running away like that that we can kind of understand we don't quite understand why he dislikes

48:03 his own family so much we just know that he has an affinity for his dad that is filled in by kumatetsu we don't really get why he like decides to stay in the human world to begin with like he has a bit of a falling out with kumatetsu shows up in the human world kind of by accident almost and just happens to run into KY a day like this whole movie one way different if he had run into like a street punk goth girl instead yeah completely different right or a ganguro girl that he has run into gong : oh I'm kind of thinking I'm watching sucky ray right now and there's the the female character who finds a male psyche ray and she's like oh my gosh it's a pretty boy I kind of wanted

48:50 how would the movie have been if coyote had run into a girl like that he'd be like oh my gosh it's a bad boy my fruit basket dreams are coming true that sounds more like less like a movie directed by Mamoru Hosoda and more like a movie who would direct something like that I don't know oh who is the guy who directed a first angel Oh what was it because else he's done first angel he's done um pinky Tosun he's done what what's his name you know I'm not the same guy who did MD guys - wasn't it he did that he yeah he's got a lot of those kind of fetish

49:36 sheep seriously we're getting way off topic here this has nothing to do with kya - order in April but yeah like you said Bryn April love I really liked her performance here I don't have anything bad to say about it um there's a good there's a like the whole motherliness that was missing from the rest of the movie is engulfed in her entire character and given the fact that she's only 18 in the role it's a it's kind of a believable kind it's the kind of girl who likes a project I guess gotcha yeah yeah I should be perfectly honest when I first heard it I first I thought it was sort of it sort of sounded almost like tea had Ballard at first before I really heard really yeah yeah yes yeah it wasn't like it well I wasn't settled on it but I could kinda sorta hear it but

50:24 anyways moving on let's get on to our last two characters starting with the Beast the titular Beast we have kumatetsu yeah a furries wet drain just the laziest naming convention that's like he's Bear Tetsu bear tattoo yes no he's no good come on sue [Music] can my checks out yes kuma today what bide but by the film's description itself has the body of a bear with the agility of a monkey and he's basically a big gruff order e a cranky oath of a

51:16 beast he doesn't like doing what he's told he is basically a big big child at heart and he likes starting fights when he shouldn't and he yells a lot he kind of reminds me of myself in a lot of ways I was I wasn't sure if you wanted to get into that but yeah I'm looking at the DVD cover right now and I'm like okay I put the sword behind him give him a red coat you don't have to cut the white t-shirt that's already there and oh my god it's Hardy an animation form probably less less body hair though yeah you be the judge of that dear ladies and gentlemen I know this is not a visual podcast but you be the judge of that right right anyway playing the gruff and

52:05 tumble kumatetsu we have none others and who else could it be well it could probably be our Bruce Elliott or somewhere like that but we have the one and only John Swayze John Swayze and similar roles to this most recently he is 0qu in Alison's Roku he is Lord death in Soul Eater he played in summer Wars he played a similar grumpy old debt not a grumpy old dad but a hairy old dad mance cage anoche and summer Wars he's the new voice of Daisuke Aramaki in go cena shall arise and he's also go Saburo Seto aka sons dead in my bride is a mermaid so playing grumpy old dad character might be up a whole lot yeah

52:51 yeah it played grumpy old dad characters is sort of a sort of a thing for this guy and the dare I asked what we thought of John Swayze's performances kumatetsu the the highest praise I can give to dub is when they do something better than the Japanese did come on tattoos Japanese actor kind of plays him a bit too straight he has the gruffness tomb but he has no vulnerability like the flaws that are apparent in his character that being his insecurities about his own strength his lack of any mentorship when he grew up it's kind of missing and when he's kind of a softer introspective self it you know it feels a little more

53:37 reserved John Swayze has this natural temper to his voice that makes it so that he always sounds like a tough guy who's trying to mask his own insecurities which is absolutely perfect for kumatetsu mm-hmm because that's basically the type of character he is yeah it is and that's I think this was better than the Japanese because that archetype would be kind of lost on an English translation so to have John give it this very human very flawed persona maybe it makes you realize how how I guess some imperfect the character itself actually is but that's what was written in the script so I could not have asked it for ask for a better performance yeah I I think this was

54:24 perfect casting he's played characters very suit excuse me very similar to this in the past and you can tell that he's definitely got a knack for it because he just takes the role of kumatetsu and brings it to life he's got the perfect rasp to his voice is sort of beastly and yet at the same time it's almost got a bit of a relatable Ness to it like there's definitely a humanity behind underneath very deep deep deep underneath all those layers and he does make kumatetsu very flawed uh dare I say human almost even though he's not now yeah like I like I said I couldn't I could not choose for a better

55:10 casting or I think our Bruce Elliott might have done an okay job too but I think John deadly shows that he's got the chops for it yeah I only got ignore certain Le Harve it up yeah John has and our Berzelius great he always struck me as the kind who does cool older guys but John always does deranged older guys with again it's perfect for this particular role and it's it's the night it's kind of curious to me that mom or Hosoda decided to write the main father character to be like this like I have to wonder if he was writing part of his own insecurities into this the kind of dad who did not have much of a father of his own growing up had to learn everything on his own and now that he's got a kid to take care

55:56 of and he doesn't quite know what to do about it yeah it's kind of hard raising a kid when you're basically still a kid yourself yeah it is and he's got the toughness he's got the strength he does not have the the know-how there's a there's a line in the movie where one of the two expedition guys I don't know which one it was says try to remember kumatetsu try to remember what it was like when you were nine years old to try to like tap into how to relate to this kid yeah I think he probably said I don't remember anything like that and probably yelled and went to sleep or something like that afterward through only after mixing a dozen raw eggs into his rice yeah yeah you know just booth yeah I can salmonella poisoning what's that but

56:45 yeah we're both we both can agree that this is perfect perfect casting on on John sway sees part so that he just nails it and so moved in the room you think bad to say about it but I if I had anything you had to say it's yeah again I have to go back to the run-on sentences which aren't the actors fault because there are a lot of times to where the character is just Yammer on on and on to match the lip flaps and it it takes its toll it doesn't really the actors do what they can and they give their all for the performances but I mean if I that's that's just an that's just a necessary evil as I guess it was what you would call it it's so it's odd mostly coming

57:31 from this character like the exposition you mentioned it sounds it just sounds kind of passe for their characters it sounds least believable for this guy because he's all action and not so much talking so when he does start shouting about how you just have to throw your heart into it you just have to like like shouting directions about how to be tougher yeah and he rambles a little bit too much it feels like he would have just smacked you in the head and said it actually said anything at all right I'm surprised he didn't to be perfectly honest well he wants that job you know he wants to be the not not the demon king be the beast Kings I found out to do a anime the Grandmaster thank you the Grandmaster yeah moving on from the Beast to the boy

58:18 we have our main character Ren /q juh his real name is Ren given Timnath by his parents he earns the name Kuta after he meets kumatetsu after he refuses to tell him his real name so kumatetsu just names him himself known mainly as kyoto through the majority of the film known as Ren in the human world thereby once again creating the big divide as to where he actually belongs which I think we can all relate to as other human to have you know gone through our puberty and gone through that adolescent stage of where do I belong in life only this time it's he's literally trapped between

59:04 two worlds and doesn't know where to go and so you tell me that you didn't have it I tell me you didn't have a similar mid parent not made like a teens crisis over which world you were going to live in um honestly no Ivar I'm already 30 years old and I'm already suffering from a midlife crisis but well you know you decide to abandon the human world for the goat world so you know clearly you've already picked your side we don't talk about the goat world that's right yes rule number one about goat Club we don't talk about goat Club anyways playing nine year old cute ah we have

59:52 Lucy Christian playing 18 year old Kuta we have Eric Vale now Lucy Christian has played little boy characters in the past such as tetsunosuke in peacemaker she's also played and young Natsu in Fairy Tail she's also played against typecasting in roles such as deunan knute from Appleseed Medusa in Soul Eater and birdie as in birdie the mighty Eric Vale who he's usually cast as sort of unsavory characters and douchebags has played rather noble characters such as trunks and Dragon Ball Z casshern and casshern sins Loki in fairy tale Yuki

1:00:40 Sohma and fruits basket and also rather immature characters such as kana day from first love monster aka Noah's favorite show in the whole wide world we didn't know you don't talk about go club no we do not talk about first love monster either I still have a 20-page report on that that will be published to a documented scientific psychology website eventually yes you also wrote music for it on the recorder apparently as well I did not bring my recorder for this particular recording but actually I think I crushed that reporter so if you couldn't bear the memories no it had to go it goes too much anyway what do we think because

1:01:25 these are two very distinct performances for the same character in different parts of this characters law and what did we what was our opinion of both performances well it's kind of a I thought a little bit of a shame that um the boy had to grow up because I could listen to Lucy Christian voices character all day long she is one of the best probably my personal favorite actresses working today and the fact that she gets to take all of her rambunctious energy that normally gets reserved for little girls and instead do it for a little boy is just ear candy to me I could not have asked for a better performance out of her on this one yeah

1:02:11 I think we've heard Lucy as little boys before it's not what she usually does but I think this is probably the best performance she's done in a role similar to this yeah it's and that's another reason why I like her so much is because of the variety she does now I remember you said before we started recording that you could tell it was Lucy Christian when you were listening to it but like you said it didn't sound quite like anything you heard her do before that is correct yeah yeah and like that guys it's a good talent to have was trying to hide well they hide who you are but like has enough dexterity where you could do this and I know it's again I'm trying to get like something negative to say about this like the run-on sentences and bother me

1:02:57 like there's serious moments there's screaming moments there's oh god what am I going to do my parents is dead I don't know what I'm going to do with my life there's even like a few funny moments where Keota is interacting with chica this little mouse character who lives in his head for nine years apparently mm-hmm yeah who's voiced by Monica rial we should add I can't I couldn't even tell they changed it I thought they just kept the Japanese audio in yeah but yet did you have any shortcomings of Lucy's portrayal I really didn't you know and I've been critical of Lucy playing little boys in the past but yeah

1:03:43 I have nothing bad to say in this in this particular case I think she did a phenomenal she was certainly given a good chunk to work with here like I said I would have liked it if this character stayed this age here because just the the character arc of going from I'm angry at the world because my mother is dead and I don't want to live with the family I want to you know anybody a maverick runaway child on my own going from that arc into maybe I can you know be part of a family and the beast twirl instead like that could have well written could have been the whole movie on its own yeah I agree I agree but sadly we all have to grow up and when he does go up he turns into Eric Vale and yeah a fate I would not

1:04:30 wish upon anyone but I'm kidding I'm kidding no as far as Eric's performance goes it's good it doesn't quite have the same emotional impact that Lucy's portrayal does Mike hmm you know I'm torn on it I think it's good but I mean something about it I don't hate it by any stretch of the imagination well consider first that the older Keota does not have as um doesn't quite have as it's not as wild as the

1:05:15 nine-year-old version mm-hmm so you know you didn't quite get as many of those lines to work with well what did you get out of the scene where he sees his reflection and it was a dark version of himself and like kind of grabs his chest questioning who or what he is what did I get out of it I like a sense of desperation really which is good mm-hmm yeah okay though the skit was good I liked it it was fine um I don't know of it who could do it know what aderhold star level good yeah no but what did you think well I liked it and I'm going to blame

1:06:03 any shortcomings maybe this is also a reason why you thought it was just kind of myth on the writing of it because he goes through I think three character arcs through the through his portion of the movie like we jump cut montage from young Giotto to older Keota and he goes through I'm I feel underappreciated by kumatetsu and I need to break out I don't know if I want to be a human or a beast and I don't know if I want to reunite with my father or not you know there's like three separate things going on that they kind of tied together but because he has to act all of them out maybe the emotional impact was kind of lost just because we're doing emotional cartwheels trying to follow this one character that is true that is possible

1:06:49 also it could be because I'm so used to Eric Vale playing goofy guys a douche bags that him playing like a genuinely you know decent human being type of character is kind of a shock to the senses if you if you want if you can understand that it didn't quite sound like his normal voice like I could tell with him but I could I could suspend my my disbelief enough to realize that he wasn't playing the same type of characters that he usually does that is true that is true in general yeah I think it was good and I think we could say that about the entire dub wrapping things up is that it's it's very well done it's very good any faults that it has again we have to put really on the source material yes

1:07:35 now here we need to start wrapping things up here at the end speaking of the source material because I have words to say and I know You certainly have words to say where's words words words words this in my opinion is a good film for but for a mom or hosted a film it is rather disappointing mainly because more than any of his other films it's full of talking and it relies too much on telling instead of showing in order to build the world and the people around it and

1:08:21 explain what's going on which leads into these giant run-on sentences full of exposition that his other films had talking in them to but not to this extent and as far as I can remember I've been like yeah there's some beautiful moments of him talk of characters talking but there's visuals to back them up that like I'm going to point to the girl who left through time as an example the scene where the three main characters are talking about their future plans they're not just sitting around lounging about in a coffee shop talking about it they're playing baseball with each other so there's both dialogue and physical action to back up what they're talking about right right yeah no it's just there were so many

1:09:08 subplots going on all at once and none of them were truly original like I've seen everything done in this movie and done in other films and done better and yeah you're not wrong yeah and and when I when you go from a movies especially when you compare this to hosts of this other world because summer Wars is probably not just one of my favorite anime films of all time it's probably one of my favorite animated films of all time and to go from summer Wars to this with wolf children in between it's a definite downgrade I mean

1:09:54 it has a drop in quality doesn't it yeah it's still hosted us so it's still good but I mean whereas summer Wars was an A+ this seems like a like a b-minus like you did the work but she could have put a little bit more effort into it you know and considering this movie was so hyped up it was so built up it was you know it's won all these awards and I'm like problems yeah and I'm like you know you see the final product and you're just like well that was neat but I mean this is hope that we're talking about we posted it it's not do meet okay you got definitely a high bar to clear and um now we should probably say that people

1:10:41 who tried to compare him to say he'll be the next Miyazaki we should cut those off right from the get-go exactly yeah a very different kind of director like we'll never make never made a Ghibli type movie before yeah and his um if I had to point to a reason why this one would is so flawed is I think I could theorize on its but I like I don't have any sources to back it up but knowing that he had just come a father during the time period he may have put a little too much of themself into this in that a dad who is confused and flawed and realizes they're flawed is not as compelling of a character if they do not so if they if we ourselves do not want them to become a better father by the

1:11:28 end of it like the movie that this kind of reminds me most of in terms of the characterization of the father is finding Nemo and I do not like finding Nemo very much more um I like at surprise isn't it but I have never really liked Finding Nemo but mostly doesn't okay as a father myself I like movies that have fathers that are constantly are striving to become better themselves fathers that are flawed and may realize they're flawed but don't spend a lot of the movie trying to better themselves for the good of their child bug me a bit it's it sometimes seems like it's either glorifying fathers who don't try to improve themselves or simply dads who are just

1:12:13 content to be who they are Marlon was kind of that same way in that he he wasn't trying to become a better father for his son he came a better character for himself Camus tecnu is not really trying to become a better person for Keota he's trying to become a stronger individual for the task of becoming the Lord of all creation that's not the true but you know what I'm talking about yeah the Grandmaster yeah yeah so there's a there is a good there are plenty of good scenes in this movie there are B there are wonderful little moments that as a father I look at and say I relate to that so heavily especially the parts where keota is mimicking KOMO tattoo just to try to you know like to to be as good as him right right yeah now I like

1:13:02 this part there's good parts in this movie and it is a good movie but it's not a great movie then that's that's the issue that I left the movie when it once it ended I was like well that was a thing that happened and whereas with

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