Ex-Freemason: Possessed Politicians, Demonic Rituals for Power, Secret Societies, and the Occult

0:04 Sean, thanks for doing this. It dawned on him the other day, years after it dawned on you, that there are no secular leaders of anything and that people pose as, you know, science-based and non-religious, but everyone who has power in the world is religious. I have noticed they just have different religions. And uh you've been on this for a very long time. So let's just start as big as we can. What's the purpose of communing with the supernatural for leaders? Why do leaders do it? >> I think there was some I maybe this is a quote or someone said this to me. Um there are not power there are non-powerful people who are Freemasons but there are no powerful people who are

0:49 not Freemasons. >> Freemasons. If you think about the nature of an initiatory group that's been around in its current form for a few hundred years since the 1700s right in the UK but and likewise in France um but it's or you know they say its origin or they believe its origin precedes it to the Knights Templar right who were a very powerful order as we know from my understanding of the Templars it's not this the idea of like nine knights showing up in the Middle East during the Crusades right to guard the roads right It was really more about uh excavating under the the temple of Solomon. Yes, >> that was you know what they were interested where the ancient >> the well of souls >> the well of souls the the ancient texts

1:35 the things that were you know written into like grimoirs and hidden you know incantations things that you could basically call upon the spiritual realm because that's the lore of King Solomon. King Solomon, as we remember from the Bible, you know, he had wisdom and he was a powerful ruler over uh what was then Israel, but uh >> richest man in the world. >> Yeah. Well, he had the gold, but why did he have the power was because he could call upon what they call jin genies and he could command them with his ring, the ring of Solomon, the ring of power. And that's what he so the real lore of like masonry right was that he had this builder hireab who could you know who architected the the temple the temple of Solomon but they had jin that they called upon to actually

2:22 >> do the work and to build it now that's all metaphor >> and what are jin >> genies what we would call genies in Aladdin's lamp they are the beings in so I went to Iran the first time was >> curiosity but I went to go meet with some of these guys that communicate to them to the other side and uh I would talk to them about, you know, what's going on in the world and they would say, "Yeah, I mean the jin and Islamic lore is very similar to like angels and demons or the watchers in the book of Enoch, right? Who are not they're both dark and light. Some some serve God, some serve the dark side." And um and so the idea of like the power of Solomon was to be able to have a relationship and mastery. And

3:08 some people say that he actually got overwhelmed by the power and that's why he fell, right? He ended up with the the love affair that sort of sank his his his rulership. Um because he it's a very d it's a very dangerous gambit once you start communing with that side. But all I believe all the initiatory paths Freemasonry is just one of them. The most famous one lead you to that realm to that understanding that there's spiritual forces invisible to us that are working through people in this world. And just because someone is a so-called Christian doesn't mean they're serving God. And someone just because someone is a Muslim doesn't mean they're serving the devil. that it's the same across the entire

3:53 planet that there are forces of dark and light working through every religion, every people, even through our own our own lifetime, our own souls. You know, at any point when you grow up in Hollywood or whatnot, you realize like it does seem that people can sell their souls and maybe not even be aware of it because to me it's not Satanism is like can be incantations. It can be blood sacrifices and rituals. It can also just be worship of the material realm. >> Yes. >> Right. So when you get into that realm of like, oh, I want power. I want worldly power. I think that's the satanic path. They not they don't they don't think of it as such. But materialism at his heart is worship of the earth. And that's why people talk

4:39 about the earth is like, you know, it's kind of Lucifer's domain, right? Because if you worship, if you become start worshiping money and you know and yourself, your own ego, well, you've lost sight of the transcendent power of God. >> There's no question about that. There's no question. Um, and I think all of us experienced that in our own lives. Uh, but just to back to what you initially said about the Masons. >> So, we we're about 100 ft from Masonic Lodge. Um, they're all over rural America. They're kind of a vestage of the past. This is how I think of them. >> Bunch of elderly guys >> with ceremonial swords. >> Yeah. >> Tell stories. I have one. >> You have one. >> Um I have one right over there from that

5:25 lodge. Uh >> you don't think of them as a threat or even a meaningful player in current events. Um but then I should say I don't know much about it. >> Yeah. >> Uh I don't so at really at all. you joined the Masons. Why did you do that and what what was it like? So it was it was a it was a journey of initiation I think that I was going through in that time um right out of college cuz you know in my college years started getting deep into um studying history and and you know even in the procopious was writing the history of Justinian right the Roman emperor Byzantine emperor and he described him as a a shape-shifting demon basically in

6:11 that book in the secret history and that was buried for a long time. Um, and you know, again, there's all types of histories that King James was, was it uh James' Bible, but he also wrote demonology book, right? I mean, this was the way that it was the world was perceived and understood for centuries as we know. Um, >> as a battleground between dark and light. >> Yeah. I mean, as as forces that were unseen. I mean, Socrates talked about his his Don like his, you know, but be called genius. But, you know, they say like in the old world there's a theory that when Homer is writing about, you know, the Iliad and and you know, all these different um uh gods having a play in human life. A lot of people believe that we were in communication more readily with beings, right? Unseen

6:58 beings and it may have been a real real factor in our in our consciousness back then. And then we you know obviously we get to this place of the enlightenment when um all that becomes relegated and we say oh that's all you know hocus pocus and not real we can only focus on the physical realm but you can't understand how life begins through the physical realm alone you can't understand how the universe is formed no >> right I mean what okay how does a big bane start you know it just happens okay >> spontaneous >> you know time travel I mean how does it happen how does it actually begin exactly from what And how does our how does life begin? So I think a lot of the materialists actually you could say like you know people say Darwin and whatnot are essentially serving the dark side because they're saying there's nothing

7:45 outside the material realm. It's this is all that exists and everything. Well actually all we're interfacing with is our own minds. Yes. >> Our own perceptions. And so when they want us to believe, you know, a very simplified version of reality, spontaneous evolution, random evolution, random changes, right? Take away anything spiritual. Um, I think that serves the dark side in a sense because it now it elevates our own egos. It makes us, you know, we're the progenitors of this and, you know, we are the greatest thing in the universe and we can get into that later, but that then serves a transhuman agenda that, you know, it's all about perfecting ourselves through the physical plane of genetics, right? Genetic tampering and whatnot. And you try to basically take the spiritual

8:33 origin impulse of God creating this universe out of the story, right? That's what the enlightenment did in many ways. But you can't take it out because we instin instinctively as souls that we are in human form, we have this curiosity and this desire to know, okay, where did I come from? Like it can't, you know, my soul didn't just spontaneously appear. How do I have consciousness? How do where does consciousness originate from? Just from our brains. Well, I think we're understanding that our brains are more receivers almost like, you know, computers that can receive the internet that's around us, right? That's the way that we function more in that way. And that's why people have near-death experiences or they have out-of- body experiences and they this is, you know,

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11:35 mental hospital. Um, Woody Guthrie was there, for example, and you saw it in the recent uh Bob Dylan movie. He goes and visits Guthrie at the Greystone Mental Hospital. This place was about for 100 years. It was one of the biggest mental hospitals in the country. It was the biggest foundation when they built it until they built the Pentagon after. So, it was a massive like we went to this place at night and even though it was shut down, it was still the lights were still on and it's about five or six stories tall and underground there's tunnels and passages that go on for miles around. So we would go explore this place at night and um and let's just say that high stranges ensued

12:21 because he started >> it's an abandoned mental hospital in New Jersey. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's an abandoned mental hospital in Jersey. And so from the first time that we went there and then went back and each time it would just different things would reveal themselves to me in a way that I made a film about it um Greystone Park to kind of symbolize the the way that fear operates to me. I believe that our frequency attracts forces. And so when you go into a place like that where thousands of people are have died, they had like a mass grave basically of you know thousands of people that had died there over the course of a hundred years and there had been a lot of abuse and I think also people go into this place where they would go into that place who

13:06 are themselves you know we call mentally ill but a lot of them I think were demonp possessed. >> Yes. And so imagine it's now becoming a place of very dark energy and uh >> hard to imagine anything darker than that. >> Right. Yeah. And so what we saw was like indications paraphernalia books things like this left behind of um like satanic rituals like people would go there and perform rituals to draw upon the energy. And why would someone do that? Well, so this gets into the nature of our of this realm, right? If we again like we understand like material realm is what we see and what we interact with, what we think we're interacting with. But as we know

13:52 at heart, it's just it's all energy. Like this table is moving particles, right? Our being is we're moving particles, moving atoms. We're we're we're energetic bodies that, you know, appear to be fixed, but actually, as we know, we're changing every second, every, you know, every day. Our, you know, we're we're cells are dying and being reborn, our, you know, our energy body is is moving. And so, the spiritual traditions have always understood that because, you know, they didn't call it necessarily energy, but be prana and life force, breath, r, right? Like that's the origin of of creation is something in spirit is moving through us into this container, this vessel that you know that appears fixed. But again, as we know, it's changing. That's why we

14:37 don't uh we don't look the same every day, even if it's just slight differences. And as you know, like you can see in people's you can just you can kind of see it sometimes, right? Like you can see when someone's energetically drained. You can see when someone's energy is high and they're vibrant >> instantly. >> Mhm. Mhm. So this is all this is this is the energetic nature of reality. So if we are talking about a world that also is energetic and alive and then you have uh geometry let's say certain structures trap energy more than others right I mean if you're outdoors and I mean we can just experience it right you're out in nature you're in you're in a a forest the trees are going to have certain energy it's going to it's going

15:23 to move you know maybe like they'll in the course they are living beings right so they'll they'll live their life and die. Um, and that's why some forests are called haunted forests or darker, you know, they're darker places. And sometimes you'll have historically, yeah, you'll have places where there'll be gatherings of people to practice, you know, since the pagan times, let's say, right, to practice different rituals and sometimes you'll feel the energy of that like, oh, this is a place where, you know, there's a gathering that takes place and a certain energy gets created there. Um, same way as like a building. I mean, that's what a haunted house is, right? Like, if you're in a house and it's, you know, you someone gets murdered, it's going to have a heavier energy, right? Because it hasn't, unless you come and bless it and really, I

16:09 don't know, do the right energy through to let it pass, right? To let the souls go. Um, and I, you know, had that experience with one of the haunted places I went to. It was like a a place that was uh notorious. It was next to the It was next to a mental hospital where kids uh were housed and this was upstate New York. This was different from Greystone. Um and in that house next to the mental hospital for kids, the legend has it that um a priest that was molesting these kids at that property and actually killing some of the kids and doing black magic. And in that house, I saw people get possessed and you know, I we heard

16:56 the sounds of hell like coming from I mean, it's hard to imagine that this is what we experienced. You know, we'd be upstairs and all of a sudden we'd hear howling of dogs and laughter of like demonic laughter and things like this echoing through the house. And so we went back multiple times and we blessed the house and the final time really felt a purging of energy and the house burned down on its own within about a month or two. So that's the kind of thing we talk about like the energy that gets trapped in places until you come with higher frequency of blessing a place and you know clearing the energy. So again we're talking of a battle of dark and light those forces that draw upon dark energy.

17:42 Um because they can then invoke spirit let's say darker spirits that hooks into that. If everything is, let's say like frequency, fear, you know, things that are horrific, horror films play into the psychology, right? It's like Freddy Krueger, right? He plays he he prays upon he's a dream demon, right? He he infects people with fear and we think about how like demons are what? They're scary, right? They're monstrous. They're shadows. They're things that um that create fear in us. And then it seems to be like the frequency match almost. Um >> do you think that's one of the reasons that Jesus so often tells his disciples

18:28 not to be afraid? >> Yes, that's exactly right. So remember when demon cast when Jesus casts out the demons, he sends them into the swine, right? He's like, "Yeah, get them out. Get out of >> the vessel and they go and kill themselves because a lot of the demonic I mean again there's different frequency of demonic energy. There's madness. A lot of psychosis we have experiencing in this country, I think, connects to it. Um, a lot of it ties into alcohol and drugs. That's, you know, lowering people's frequency. You know, it's one thing to have, you know, a glass or two, but as we know, a lot of alcohol, what does it do? It takes us out of our right mind. In my experience of seeing people get possessed, it's pretty much like seeing someone's, you know, when someone's out of blackout drunk and

19:14 Yeah, you've we've all seen it. someone's cod up or out of their mind on with alcohol and they behave erratically, irrationally, they get aggressive, they get mean or they start laughing hysterically and the next day they may not remember anything. It's exactly what possession is cuz when you see someone get possessed, >> they just like a like it's like a a flip a flip of a switch and they go from someone you can see look in the eyes and see what they are to just checked out. I've seen people screaming. I've seen people laughing maniacally. I've seen just, you know, just check out like just staring blankly. But you know it, you just you know that this person's not in their right mind.

20:00 >> Yes. >> And the key is to try to bring the light back, breathe, bring, you know, good energy back, raise the raise the frequency so they can come back to their their self theirelves. So what I would say this battle is between the darkness that again feeds on that fear that lower vibrational you know psyche of like not being in our right mind not being in our in our higher selves right not being connected to our spirit our higher you know to to God basically right spirit that ex is always available but the dark side wants to lower that frequency to a place that would be closer to hell right what we what has always been described as hell place of torture of suffering pain place of the dead. >> Yeah. Well, even worse than death,

20:46 right? Death is one thing. Go below that, you know, and it's like that's the level of um self-destruction like you said with the pigs, you know, self-destructiveness. So, this is the battle and and again, if the dark side has, you know, waged war on mankind, let's say, right? If we believe and this is you know this is not just Christian tradition I mean this is like a lot of story there is >> yeah a lot of stories around the world have talked about this you know that there's something that's waging war on mankind um they want they want possession of the soul they want us to check out to give to surrender right to check out say hand over control of the vehicle

21:33 and that seems to be the real battle right are we autonomous beings we have control of our vehicles I mean we all experienced this during co imagine like you know all this seems so far out but like during co we actively saw people checked out from fear and like dead body like dead things you know putting on masks so they can't even really breathe. They can't in a court of law you can't you're like you know you can't speak if you've got a mask on right so like you don't have any say so when you put a mask on you're basically taking away your power to speak and to breathe. So you're like a dead you're like a dead thing now. And then beyond that we saw the hysteria that came with it, you know, from fear. All that fear around you're infected, you might be infected. This person could be infected. You didn't get your shot. You better stay

22:19 away. You you can't come to the family gathering. You can't come into that to my establishment. And if you're in California, I mean, I I left the state because it was like I can get a fake vaccine card, but I don't want to engage with people that are mandating this. Right? What kind of hysteria? What kind of madness is this? Right? So, we've all experienced that kind of possession. Not not like some people personally experienced it and then said, "Wait a minute. I was in fear and I've woken up and others just saw it and saying it's like everyone's possessed all of a sudden by this, you know, by this fear." So, what's in your toothpaste? If you're using the brand you grew up with, you probably don't want to know. The ingredients likely include fluoride, something called SLS, glycerin, foaming agents. It's a chemical cocktail. Van Man's toothpaste is different. Their

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23:53 Real ingredients. Zero exceptions. So the Masons practice a religion. How would you describe what masonry is? >> Well, I mean masonry is based in the Old Testament. You know, most a lot of the Masons I know are Christian, but again, it's I look at is as as an initiatory path. So I don't look at it as Masons are are evil. What I experienced was that there's Okay. So, I'll put like this. The first night that I went there, um, >> where was this? >> Uh, the Cornerstone Lodge in New York, which is a very famous lodge. Uh, people like Jay-Z, you know, go there and

24:40 whatnot. It's, uh, you know, it's >> Jay-Z's amazing. >> Yeah. From my understanding, he, uh, he was, you know, he was with that lodge, um, as well, but higher higher than I was. Um but the point is that it's it's um it's an initiation that kind of what I felt was being observed and watched and I know it was watched because after doing the first degree initiation where you get the blindfold and the the noose and all this stuff is online. I'm not revealing some secrets. all the the the phrases and things, you know, the the geometry of it where you have to walk, you know, certain directions and points and say certain things, all that's online now. It's public. But when you

25:26 perform it ritualistically, like a play, there are other forces that are not human that are engaging in the the experience. And I know that because when I was leaving the lodge that night with my friend, um, we got a phone call and it was an unknown number and this sort of husky voice was on the phone and he was like, "How was the meeting?" And I was like, "It's interesting game you guys have going here." And it's like, Mhm. And we were just talking a bit, saying a lot of things that were like biblical, you know, 40 days in the cave, 40 some stuff that I didn't understand, but I knew that they were watching me cuz I was walking back to my apartment in New

26:12 York. And um and I'm like, "Oh, so you're watching me." He's like, "Yeah." I'm like, "Okay, what am I doing?" He's like, "You're walking." So I stopped walking. And I'm like, "Oh, yeah." He's like, "Yeah, you stopped walking." And I was like, "Okay, it could be a guess, but let's just go, you know, continue the conversation. go upstairs and um I had like a gray shirt on and black pants and uh after you know I started recording the conversation the audio did not record subsequently only the video recorded but as I was recording this basically was it was this man's voice and then it would be a woman that would take over so it was like two voices it was one as a man one as a woman and then she basically said stop recording and I was

26:57 you know, I didn't stop. I would maybe like stop for a minute, then I turn it back on. And I had a at that time I had a a cross on uh sorry, it was a not a cross, it was it was a Islamic sword um that I had as a necklace. And so I was taking my shirt off and she's like, "Put your shirt back on." And I was like, "Oh, you don't like this this symbol or what's wrong?" You know, and it was like, "Put your shirt back on." And I'm like, you know, we just continued to talk, but I there were a few things that I remember distinctly, including her saying, I'll leave you with this. You're wearing a gray shirt with black pants. So, something was had been observing me that night. And they continued to talk with me and um it it it was essentially they texted me

27:44 thereafter and it was like it went on for an hour or so like off and on. My friend who took me there got really sick to his stomach. He was like vomiting actually after that during that same time that I was on the phone and uh he really was like physically out of it. And so I was conversing with these things for like an hour. And again, a lot of it was about the fallen angels because uh this goes back to again the jin, the unseen world. the idea that remember the book of Enoch talks about this that the fall basically is not just Lucifer's it's like Lucifer and the what was it the three was it 300 or 30 the 300 I think that fell um but a

28:30 lot of it had to do with the origin of like how the angels fell in love with human women right that's the story of Enoch was that they fell in love with human women they had children >> the Nephilim >> nephilim the fallen ones or also I guess they're also fallen ones and uh this whole bloodline war basically of like you know fallen angels having children with human women and becoming like the great leaders of old you know the the the men of reown the men of renown. Exactly. The leaders of the military and the and the emperors or kings of the time royal bloodlines. So all this came up that night. >> What's interesting is if you bring up

29:15 that story from Enoch and it's alluded to in Genesis 6 as well, people look at you like that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Where does that come from? Is that like a David Ike concept or something? But then if you just assess it non-emotionally, >> that's pretty much every religion tells that story, including Christianity, right? Jesus is the product of spirit and a human woman, God and Mary. So the Greek myths are the same. >> Alexander was his mother said that Zeus came to her. >> Exactly. >> Um >> so I'm not Yeah. You know, I mean that's not proof, but it's certainly uh an indication. This is not like a crazy new theory that David Ike thought up. >> Not at all. And that's why I always say >> the basis of every religion.

30:01 >> Yeah. That's why people have got so they they want you to think about Ike as like he's the crazy guy. But that's why I studied history because I wanted to say no, Ike is just picking up on old traditions and he's just listening to people that are telling him stories which >> I think you can hear that story in any church in the United States every Sunday. >> Exactly. Right. So it's not conceptually it's not a departure from what people have thought for thousands of years that there is the physical reality of actors from the spiritual realm impregnating human women. >> Right. Right. And going again, I mean, even the Anunnaki texts of the Samrians before, you know, which predates the Old Testament talking about exactly this thing about the Anunnaki sky gods um creating the first humans as their

30:46 workers. And you know, and again, like the flood sto mythology comes from that, you know, >> God was so displeased by the behavior of the Nephilim >> that he destroyed the world. Right. >> And their behavior that he that he specifically called out was violence. >> Right. Right. And eating of actually eating of humans. The Nephilim did remember. >> Really? >> Oh, yeah. The giants ate the humans. Do you remember? >> That's in the book of Enoch. >> It's in one of them. It's either I mean, I thought it was in the Bible, but it's definitely Enoch then because that was the issue that they were that the giants were eating people. And uh so this you know then takes us to the very you know present day of you know when

31:33 demon you know the lore around demons drinking human blood or like you know demonp possessed humans drinking human blood Dracula mythology right I mean >> this is all it's it's it's drawn upon the old world but it you know when I when when Hunter S. Thompson talks about adrenochrome and people say, "Oh, he made that up." And I go, "Yeah, except I talk to a military intelligence guy who goes, "Adrenchrome is real because it comes across our our tra our messaging boards all the time." You know, adrenochrome is being trafficked into the country. >> So adrenochrome is a compound from the human adrenal gland. Is that correct? >> Yeah. I mean, my understanding is it's like an adrenaline. Basically it's adrenaline that gets secreted and um from like obviously adrenaline from

32:19 anxiety from stress fear and it's you know it's something specifically that um is being used for you know as a as a drug or is it you know is it demonic food? I don't know. I mean it again it's it's not something that I've personally experienced but you know it's like we're connecting the ancient world to the modern world and it seems to be you know if it's one long thread we can't you know we can't just ignore that. Well here's something that thieves count on. Security cameras usually stop where Wi-Fi stops, right? Makes sense. So if you got a barn, a job site, equipment parked outside a long driveway, criminals know there's a good chance that nobody is watching this cuz there's no Wi-Fi. And that's why we like Defend

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33:51 footage belongs to you. And that's big. Plans start at about five bucks a month. No contract. Cancel anytime. Visit defendellcam.com. on this defendellcam.com. It's very interesting to me that um some of the main themes throughout human history, blood being the life force, the spirit, >> the magic and the blood, right? >> The magic and the blood. Um genetics >> bloodline. >> Mhm. >> These were full-blown preoccupations for every civilization before 1945, and they've just been eliminated from public conversation >> by media. But media is the greatest magician of all, right? I mean, that's it's so interesting that you mentioned 45. Obviously, that's the end of the Second World War,

34:36 >> right? >> British, you know, British broadcasting was originally part of uh British intelligence. Like, it was always, you know, they understood that propaganda was key. I mean, that was first world war effort um bringing us into the first world war, getting us, you know, getting us involved. And then obviously the second world war the same. there was a huge amount of um propaganda that was that was put out for it. Um but then we adopted those same techniques post 45 I would say with the various radio projects um you know whether it was like you know and from radio to television right the same concept a lot of the guys as you know that were like intelligence oss officers or you know part of the OSS then became like executives and whatnot for the original um you know TV channels

35:22 which as you know at the time was like what like four you know it was like ABC CBS PBS yeah Right. Um and so it was very it was very important to send out messaging and then um likewise with radio it was the same thing. It was like okay first radio was used you know for for information before television but then radio became the music and so it became like top 40 what was it the top 40 project essentially it was like let's let's figure out how to basically condition people using music and it's no longer going to be >> symphonic right like long symphonic pieces of music it's going to be short 3 minutes or less of you know something that can like hook people in >> cultural propaganda >> culturally propagandize over and over. Hypnotize people essentially. I mean,

36:09 that's what music does. Think about the when we engage with so interesting engaging with young people now and seeing how much like, you know, when I was a kid, hip-hop was it was kind of coming, you know, was coming on in the '90s. Um, but nowadays it's like all those lyrics, a lot of the a lot of the the more debasing, you know, lyrics, let's say, how do you end up with an Only Fans culture? Wolf starts with the lyrics that are put out through hip-hop music that's propagated to every you know young kid across the country and then that becomes part of the cultural conditioning languaging all these things. So I think music is one of the most important magical tools that no doubt you know that's that's used to obviously um influence culture and then obviously not just music film and

36:56 nowadays with streaming it's it's hypno putting people into hypnotic states for hours on end right when you stream things into the consciousness. >> Yeah. Social media are hypnotic noticed and very addictive. So >> Tik Tok especially, I mean, people literally just fall asleep to it. You know, it's scrolling and streaming. >> So part of the point of the propaganda effort is not just to highlight lies, but to prevent people from considering things in full context or seeing the whole picture, eliminating certain important themes from the public conversation. And certainly >> anything supernatural would fall into that. blood and genetics would also be part of that. >> Um, but the people who run the world

37:43 never stopped paying attention to the supernatural, to blood and genetics, did they? >> No, I don't think so. I mean from my experience and again I mean I'm I have a limited experience of it but you talk to some of these families and uh I mean first of all in the in the UK you feel it especially in the in England the aristocratic culture >> the mindset um to this day they still have a king you know it's >> yes >> okay you know they still have the aristocracy and the bloodlines families and whatnot um and their traditions and And then you know you think about like you know some of these families talk about they can trace their ancestry back to the Roman Empire or even before sometimes. Uh but again

38:29 it's just whether or not you're aware again like whether or not you're aware of it I think some families more so than others. Um, the families that are more aware of it, I think, have a certain conditioning process that some people talk about when it comes to the pedophilia. I think that's more normalized. Uh, it's kind of part of the boarding school culture. >> Yeah. often times like that was my sense of it when I was at I was at Oxford for two terms and um you know hanging out with you know some people some families that are more known than others and uh they would you know some of them would tell me like you know the boarding school culture was very you know uh you could say you know homosexual and that

39:15 kind of dates back to in terms of the ideology to Rome and Greece remember like the idea of you know passing on wisdom from the male from the older male to the younger male and so it becomes acceptable. >> And then um >> yeah and then you you know you you do hear these things about a lot of these these families that are like practicing pedophilia with their own kids and they look at it almost like a um a training like a a training process because it dissociates. So tra traumatic abuse of a young person dissociates them makes them able to then you could argue like you know like the monarch butterfly that's a symbol the monarch is often described as a symbol of um the childhood

40:00 programming. So basically like when you are traumatized so young you dissociate you now have greater ability to act without moral compunction without even like knowing your own limits right your your own self >> you basically have broken all those barriers. >> Well you do have to ask questions about a system um that sends you know its sons to boarding school at seven or eight years old. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. Or even younger sometimes. >> Or even younger. Yeah. and my grandfather went uh you know at that kind of age and I wasn't good for him. I I don't know why you would do that but it has something to do with breaking down >> normal qualities in a young man. I'm not

40:46 saying it's a pedesty thing, but it does have to do with >> Yeah. Abuse has many forms. You know, there's the physical, there's the verbal, >> the sexual is just usually like the one that no one wants to talk about. >> No, that's right. But obviously occurs. >> So, um, okay. So, you How long were you a Mason? >> I mean, it's not like you you you ever like established like I'm going to meetings. No, I wanted to initiate to three degrees. I I I entered >> and in between, by the way, okay, so this is why I know this gets far out, but like in between, >> but we're already pretty far out. the initiation, the first degree and the third degree from in that time period. I would get phone calls from 666 numbers all the time. 6666,

41:32 we want your soul. Like just demonic voices. We I want your soul. That's kind of nonsense. >> So Satan called your cell. >> I mean, I don't know if you know if it was Satan or the CIA, but someone with a 666 number that sounded satanic called my cell and would be like, "We want your soul." And I would just laugh and be like, "Okay." I mean, it's not mine to give. you know, my soul belongs to God. So, I don't know what you're talking I can't I can't I can't help you. Basically, I don't know what >> I think I'm jumpier than you because if I was, you know, in between uh degrees in the Masons and Satan started calling me, I would drop out. Well, it's not about dropping out or not. It's about initiating in your in in um as I said, it's an initiating and understanding of the world. And that's why I believe the checkerboard is very real. Like the way that it's designed is the checkerboard on the floor. It's black and white. Not all Satanists are evil. I do believe that there's the path of light and

42:18 there's a path of dark. They want to assess who you are. And as I say they, I mean like a higher higher realm wants to know what you are. So I believe the people that join who choose a darker side, I you know I think I've seen it. Um they basically are willing to do anything. They are willing to drink the blood. They're willing to make the oath essentially to the dark because they just want power. And if they know that you're not your soul isn't wired that way, you don't end up on the satanic path. So again, like a lot of these were just just kind of tests. I felt like they were just kind of tests. Just kind of like I got a call from a Zazel one time. You know, Zazel is the angel of death, right? As Aazil calls and then like a day or two later, my grandmother passed away when my grandmother

43:04 >> Wait, the angel of death called yourself? >> Yeah. Well, it's like it it now I mean it basically identified itself as a Zazil. And >> what did you say? >> No, I just I knew what a Zazil was. So, I knew a spirit of death was around. And then, like I said, my grandmother passed like I think within within one or two days of that call. So, I was like, "Wow." Okay. >> What What did the angel of death say on the phone? >> It wasn't I don't remember like again it was it wasn't like I remember specifically an announcement of something. It was just more of like in that time period. It was getting so many calls from these things like wanting my soul and sometimes it was witches cackling like you know come play with us like come you know come join us sometimes it was one time and it's funny I played this on

43:50 Alex Jones show actually u back in 2012 it was a call from again 666 and they were doing ball worship they're like calling on ball and they were like it sound like they were doing a ritual these demonic voices are like ball la you know they're doing a ritual on this yeah on on the phone call. So it was almost like they were draw they were trying to like engage my energy for what they were doing. You see that's goes back to the question around the dark side wants more energy because again it's disconnected from God. Well I mean is it disconnected? Let's just say they're more disconnected. I don't think anything is disconnected from God. My perception is it's all God's universe. So I don't think the dark I think the dark still ultimately serves the creator's intention. I don't think you can you can't divorce yourself

44:37 from the universe. But let's just say their frequency is lower. So they're drawing upon higher vibrational energy to try to right to try to draw us down. That's the battle, right? It's like how many of those of the light can we bring to the dark? How many can we sink to our level or if we can't they stopped after 2012? After my last degree of initiation and after 2012, I never got calls again. So I just felt like it was this kind of testing phase and it's like okay you don't belong to us who knows maybe they've taken new forms and you know not saying everything like life is obviously the full of challenges. So I think the dark can manifest in different ways but for me it was like it was a very overt

45:22 confrontation with something that people would think is you know a fairy tale until you've lived it. Do you think other people at the lodge, the Cornerstone Lodge in New York were having similar experiences? >> Well, I mean, I know the person I went with did, but like some of the other guys that I knew, I don't think they anything changed in their life because Yeah. I mean, we all have different paths, right? We all like, you know, my my path was frankly initiatory. I wanted to explore these things. You know, I went all the way to Iran just to talk to, you know, guys that were talking to and trying to understand how the world, you know, is working, right? >> What drove you? >> Yeah. Just >> Well, you grew up in a materialistic society in Southern California where the possibility of this stuff was not

46:08 discussed. I would >> Well, no. I mean, I went I wasn't, you know, my dad took me to India and Tibet when I was, you know, nine, no, 10. And, you know, we went to the Himalayas and went to like visit, you know, Tibetan monasteries. the we went to um what's that uh the patala palace and uh you know they depict demons and stuff very overtly in the in the iconography right if you look at the artwork right of Tibet Nepal the Buddhist cultures and even Hindus right like you know they understand that there's demons and angels and well they wouldn't call it they wouldn't call it angels I guess but like demigods right I mean they would describe like demigods right more you know angelic more divine powerful beings and then you see like the dark faces of the demonic realm. They look at all

46:54 everything I think as like different temptation. So it's like you have to get comfortable. You have to face the demon. You know, you can't if you if you hide it, that's it gets scarier. Just like in a horror film, right? It's always scarier when you don't know where the monster is. Once you can once you can face the monster, you take away its power. Whereas, you know, as going back to the dream demon, the Freddy Krueger, it's like I you know, I take my power back. I'm not afraid of you anymore. That's the only way to defeat the monster. >> I believe that. >> Yeah. >> Fear and hate also feed the demons. >> Yeah. Well, my dad made a whole film, Naturalborn Killer, is kind of about these this thing, you know. It's it's pretty interesting. I mean that's killers if you watch it as two demonp

47:40 possessed people which is really what they are the main characters Mickey the main you know he's as uh he's been abused by his father who who kills himself his uh he's been physically abused by his father the Juliet Lewis character has been sexually abused by her father and it's like all this kind of chaotic American media you know glorification of these two serial killers but they're going through their journey of hell, basically like a hellscape until they find that love love kills the demon, right? That's their salvation is through love. But if you watch the movie, it's just like two demonp possessed people. It's pretty interesting. Okay. So, if we think that hate and fear feed dark forces, spiritual forces,

48:26 unconscious hate, you know, I think there's healthy there's healthy. We hate certain things that we find intolerable, >> right? But if we hate the person, if we demonize the person, right, that's that's feeding the >> wanting to hurt other people, you know, having malice toward others. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Um and then fear, being terrorized. >> If those are both spiritual foods for demons, how should we understand our government's concerted effort over many years to make us terrified and hateful? M not just the government media media with it, right? Like media and government working hand in hand, >> right? I mean, those kind of are the messages really. There's someone >> you need to be afraid of and there's someone you should hate. You're required

49:12 to hate. >> Well, think about the nature of the Masonic lodges. There's the red lodge and the blue lodge. >> I don't know anything. >> Yeah. So, that's the the famous like there's like there's there's the blue lodge which is more like the French ancestry. The Scottish right is the red lodge. And so think about like the bloods the the bloods and crips the the Democrats and the Republicans as red and blue >> also the bloods and the crips red >> the blood and the crips. So like this whole idea of but you know but people articulate as two wings of the same bird ultimately it's like both are there to govern your mentality government govern your mind right so it's like do we want you know do we want more less a fair well republicans are supposed to be more libertarian more constitutional more like less you know but they don't but

49:57 they tend to just you know end up spending as much >> oh yeah >> as as as the as the blue team you know both obviously are dependent on the same Federal Reserve system, right? So, you could say like we've been captured by the Fed, you know, by this debt slavery, this debt slave Federal Reserve system since 1913, which is again right around the time that well, as we know, the income tax came in, which yeah, >> totally unconstitutional. And uh and then also the uh the first world war begins and the British bring us into their their empire because you know more formally because before that we were you know we were not supposed to be part of the European game. We focused on you know the Monro Monroe doctrine was about

50:43 you know focusing on our hemisphere right bringing the republic you know our republic as a model you know for this region and protecting this region from the imperialists of Europe be it you know French British um I mean remember during the during the civil war Mexico had an had a had a coup by the uh um the French and the the British uh empire actually couped the Mexican government right around the same time they were trying to install their puppet there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Didn't work out. But Mexico then, you know, again, there's all kinds of puppeteering that goes on as we know through the different forces financially. Um, so that's really, I think, the key is like America wanting to be a republic independent of the European empires. With the first

51:30 world war, we made Wilson made a huge decision which I think was a huge blunder committing us to that war. We should have been an arbiter. We should have said, you know, we're not in favor of either empire. We're going to just arbitrate, you know, a peace a peace deal and should have stayed neutral. But we didn't. We committed ourselves to the British Empire and the and uh we set up obviously as a result of that with the Versailles treaty. You know, the >> hurt so many people. >> The second world war followed and we, you know, obviously again you can get into the whole history of the finance years behind, you know, Hitler and his rise to power. And so it was like we're going to play you know Germany against you know the the Soviets who also got financial support from uh from us. So it's it's the you know it became a finance game and that's why I say like

52:15 the power behind the scenes really to me is is the financial empire and um you know the Rothschilds are obviously a part of that. I don't think they're the beall end all of it but they're a very important force financially. City of London is a very important force and the Federal Reserve system which is spawned from that central banking system of England. Um so that's when we talk about like what you know who's who's the f the American federal government serving it's been serving its you know the the the expansion of a debt slavery monetary system right because we're borrowing money every time we they they you know they're printing money but they're not they're not they don't own it. It's like it's not constitutional money in the constitution. Gold and silver is constitutional money.

53:02 >> Everything else is these paper money notes are promisary notes. >> That's why it's a Federal Reserve note. When you see a dollar bill says Federal Reserve note, it's a promisary note promised to pay. >> Yeah. >> Right. So it's all like it's all debt and we're just racking up, you know, as we know what we're at 38 40 trillion, I don't know, some unpayable amount. >> Doesn't matter. I mean, exactly. It's it's not going to be, you know, we have to re reconfigure this. >> But it raised the question. So if individuals can make a deal with supernatural forces to serve them in exchange for for temporal power, for success in this life, money, and authority, and that's clearly true. Can nations do the same? I think so. I think it's it's a it's a kind of um well

53:50 yeah I mean again it's like uh the power of belief right as a nation and either so we we can go back to John D for example um the magic >> who was John D. So John D was he was basically like the head of intelligence for Queen Elizabeth right at the beginning of the U British Empire. >> Elizabeth the first. >> Elizabeth the first. Yeah. Sorry. Go back in time to uh >> the 1580s. Yeah. Exactly. The 1580s and and D is the original 007. That's how he signed his his signature. So Bond is actually inspired from John D. And uh he was into magic. He basically was working these uh what they call the Nokian magic

54:35 because again derived probably from the book of Enoch but he was communing with these beings, watchers, what he considered angels but um and he had this you know these incantations and uh >> he was summoning spirits. >> He was working with spirits and the theory is and the basically the Shakespearean Tempest play is inspired from John D as the the the wizard in the story is basically John D. um that he essentially made the deal for the British Empire to become the most powerful empire in the world. And it begins with the sinking of the Spanish Armada, which again, as everyone knows, it was like there was a freak, it was a massive storm >> begun in a tempest. >> An Tempest that basically, you know, helped to sink that their their plans

55:21 and their fleet. And uh yeah, the theory is that he basically made the deal to, you know, for the British Empire, but the deal requires um certain level of blood sacrifice. And you know, some people say that we've inherited the British Empire and those demons essentially those same deals. I can't especially since 45 since the end of the Second World War. >> It is interesting if you think about it. So here you have this island nation with a pretty small population take over the entire world. >> A quarter of the planet was under there. >> That's right. So yeah, largest empire some ways the most amazing empire. Um but certainly a vast empire. How' they

56:09 do that? Um yeah, I mean it's more than uh guns, germs, and steel, right? I mean it's a uh economically the financials component is fascinating you know how they how they were able to obviously uh you know doing you know with the shipping and whatnot insurance some shipping and >> you know they controlled you know when they controlled the seas of the western world all the way to India um even to China right they they even they were able to uh control the seas and then they could they basically would trade you know they had uh certain traffic where they would, you know, they would take the cotton, they would buy the cotton cheap from, you know, slave labor in America, uh, sell it over, you know,

56:54 sell it over and, you know, across their empire in India, buy the tea there, uh, buy the the tea and the opium from there from Afghanistan, which was under India at the time, and then dump the opium on the Chinese and get the silver for that. It's a pretty good trade, right? It's a pretty good deal. >> But the core power, you believe, came from a deal. Well, what I I see the world is like it's a both it's a spiritual and a material reflection of each other. So it's so what I believe is like when people understand how these workings happen, it's like if you have an intention and you let's say undertake a magical working >> that has enough belief behind it, let's say enough energy behind it, it can manifest in physical form. And this is the nature of magic. So to me, there's

57:41 always two paths with magic. See, Christ says, "Thy will be done." Which is the creator's will. The the magic of what I would say like the dark side is my will be done. And that's what like Alistister Crowley and other people like this. >> Yes. >> You know, Crowley said he was an incarnation, a reincarnation of the guy working with John D in the magical ceremony. So their mentality is love is under will. So basically like love is not the primordial power of creation for them. The individual ego will is more important than love. >> Yeah. That's a dead end. >> It's interesting because it points to something that I think all of us feel >> which is that there's something dark about success. >> It can be.

58:27 >> You know there's that famous line, show me the fortune and I'll show you the crime. >> Yeah. Bzac. >> Yeah. Balzac is really reason enough to learn to read French. It's just an amazingly hilarious, insightful. Peragorio is one of the great novel. Anyway, yeah, Bzac, show me the fortune. I'll show you the crime. So, um, that resonates because, and this not to attack all rich people. I mean, we're both, I guess, by some standards, rich people. But, >> well, there's a whole other level. >> There's a whole Right. I mean when you're but again you're talking donastic people that have like you know made fortunes on again dump selling selling opium to the Chinese and you know or selling slaves or selling weapons or you

59:12 know financing wars like the Rothschilds. I mean that's that's a level of crime you know and or pimping people like you know like Epstein you know types you know pimping girls and boys. I mean that's a whole >> picture of of grand success in this world isn't it? I mean, that's maybe the reason that Jesus says it's harder for a rich man to get to heaven than a camel through the eye of a needle. There's something about it and maybe that something is the deal that is inevitably made with satanic forces in order to get whatever that success is. >> You know, how many times >> is that a crazy hypothesis? >> You know, people tell me like the Mexican cartels are doing straight black magic. >> Well, they are. That's a fact, >> right? And I mean, imagine like these are people that are trafficking humans. They're trafficking, you know, drugs.

59:58 They're they're killing. They're they're cutting off heads. They're killing with impunity. I mean, >> and not just killing, but torturing. So, that to me is always a sign that there's something um religious going on. >> So, you torture others uh for one of two reasons. Either to elicit information. You know, I'm going to waterboard you till you tell me where the terrorists are, >> which unfortunately, as we know, is not necessarily accurate information. >> No, no, it's not. It's not. But like Okay. But as a motive. >> Yeah. or you're doing it for its own sake because there's something about human suffering that brings you power >> and that's when we touch and pleasure >> which is >> and maybe adrenochrome >> and certain cases >> are bumping up against the supernatural realm right because why would you if

1:00:44 you're going to kill somebody why would you torture him first >> but they always do >> but see I would posit it more that when are we not in the supernatural see I think that's that's the shift in consciousness that is required. The great awakening is that we're you know people have talked about especially since co is like >> oh no we're having one there's no >> we are always under the eyes like we are always living a supernatural experience we just >> we haven't thought that way we've been trained to think of it as a material existence and the shift now is to say no it's >> we're everything we do has has supernatural ramification because it's always choice between serving you know again serving higher self let's call it and serving ego That's to me like that's the the eternal

1:01:29 battle. Every choice we make, every and you know it's small decisions, big decisions, all this, it all counts. And obviously small decisions probably won't have the greater impact that a bigger decision will. But if we can shift our consciousness to start realizing how I behave at every moment is it aligned with my higher version of self or not. This is what we have to do to achieve a better world. If we want to shift into a better reality, you know, then that's falls upon us to say, am I following my heart? Am I listening to my heart? Am I listening to intuition? Am I being, you know, am I being moral and good in this moment? You know, and I don't, you know, I don't think that's the whole point. None of us are perfect, but the whole point of the Christ model is it's a model for us. You know, this is the way of perfection. listen to listen to the

1:02:16 words try to imitate the Christ and I think we would have a much healthier reality. >> Yeah. And I mean Jesus is really clear that every word you utter every word will be used to judge you. >> Like every word matters. >> Exactly. >> It's all it's all it's all life force. It's it begins with thought. That's why like even the Buddhists, you know, the ancient religions, they always write thought, work on your thoughts to then correct your speech to then, you know, change your actions. So, it all builds. >> It's in that exact same passage where he says, you know, the the evil heart produces evil actions. >> Yeah. No, it's it's so right. Um, so that brings us to the United States, which is the heir to the British Empire. So if the British Empire was the product

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