FULL TRIAL: Impeachment Trial of Vice President Sara Duterte, Day 20 – September 01, 2026

0:00 Senator Judge Ketano Alan, Center Judge Ketano Pia, Center Judge Delar Roa, Senator Judge Hersito, Center Judge Estrada, Center Judge Go, Senator Judge Onos, Center Judge Laxon, Center Judge Lapid, Center Judge Legarda, Center Judge Marcoa, Center Judge Marcos, Cet Judge Padilia, Setto Judge Pangilinan, Setto Judge Sto III, Setto Judge Tul Irwin, Setto Judge Tul Rafi, Settoudge Judge William, set Judge Willard Camille, CTO Judge Willard Mark, CTO Judge Zubiri, the presiding officer, Senator Judges Scoda, Senate President, Senator Judge Gachalian. >> With 15 Senate, the chair declares the presence of a quorum. In accordance with

0:46 the rules of procedure on impeachment trials, the chair, the chair now recognizes the duly presiding, the duly elected presiding officer to preside over the proceedings of the impeachment court. >> Thank you, Mr. and President if there are no objections we shall dispense with the reading of the August 26 what is the pleasure of Senator Judge Sto >> um thank you Mr. Presiding obviously Mr. President, it's about the journal and you're about to approve the journal. >> So, >> yes, we are about to unless you have any amendments on Senator. >> Yes. Uh as a matter of fact, well, you may not call it an amendment, but uh nevertheless, just for the record because I was uh disturbed by a newspaper account saying that the the

1:32 prosecution council was not allowed to answer and um that she was cut off a number of times. I I I browsed through the journal and uh she was able to uh attorney Deina Gracia I believe she was able to answer most of the question. There was one or two instances where she was cut off, but I think she was pertaining to uh so just for the record to complete it, she was pertaining to Republic Act 6085 and I think the the court allowed her to answer this probably she was not able to uh elaborate more but just for the record so that uh for the um for the public and for us the general General

2:19 rule. The general rule, Mr. President, that she mentioned is Republic Act 6085 regulating the use of aliases which only allowed in the Philippines only for pseudonyms solely for literary, cinema, television, and other entertainment purposes. Therefore, if there is a person behind the alias, then it is an alias. If there is no person behind the name, it is a fictitious name or a fake name. So just for the record, Mr. President, thank you. >> We note the manifestation of Senator Judge S and confirm that indeed Sen um attorney uh May was able to explain to give an answer to the query if I remember of Senator Judge um Padilia

3:07 um although she was not able to give that much detail that the good senator judge made. The manifestation is duly noted. To reiterate, if there are no objections, we shall dispense with the reading of the August 26, 2026 journal of the Senate sitting as an impeachment court and consider the same as approved. The clerk of court will please call the matter of the impeachment tri will please call the case rather before the impeachment court. >> Case number 004-2026 in the matter of impeachment trial of vice president Zara. Appearances of the parties. >> Same appearance for the public prosecutor. Your honor, we are ready. >> Good morning, your honor. Same appearance for the respondent accused. >> Good morning, councils. Um, who shall

3:53 our first witness be? Um, honorable Joe. >> Your honor, uh, we will be present for our next witness, your honor. May we request that attorney Ray Robles be recognized? Our next witness is at is Colonel Boransing, your honor. Attorney Robles is uh recognized um as part of the um council for the panel of prosecutors. Um >> morning your honor. >> Good morning. Do you confirm attorney Robas that um your witness shall be Colonel Buran Singh? >> Yes your honor. Just for the record your honor. I am attorney Ronaldo Robless of the law firm of Chand Robles and Associates. I'm appearing as counsel for

4:38 the prosecutors under the control and supervision of the honorable panel of prosecutors. >> Before the chair instructs the clerk to call um Colonel Boran Singh, chair would like to issue a directive kum ruling with respect to um what came out in uh the recent days and or last week after Mr. Antonio testified before this court. An image of him allegedly wearing an earpiece was widely circulated on the internet. We um take this opportunity um after verification that it was an AI generated image and simply false. The chair wishes to remind and take this opportunity the parties that every

5:25 witness must testify nevertheless solely from his or her own knowledge free from coaching or influence from councel or any other um person. Again to reiterate, what he had was a frontfold helic an an earpiercing in the front fold helix of his ear, not an earpiece. Um the underlying principle site being cited by the presiding officer will be section 21E of AM number 24 1102 by the Supreme Court prohibiting the use of cell phones, tablets or some other similar gadgets during video conferencing in um by analogy also basis

6:13 would be the US case of Varal versus Texas wherein a witness must provide his own account rather than one scripted or choreographed by any party, council or any interested party also citing the case of Sky Development Inc. versus Vista View docket number 3D101274 of the US Supreme Court. accordingly. No witness while testifying shall possess, have access to, or use any earpiece, headset, cell phone, smartwatch, smart glasses, or any other similar device capable of transmitting or receiving information or communication. Witnesses are also prohibited from receiving or attempting to receive any communication, suggestion answer signal message or

7:00 prompt for any person, whether inside or outside this court, regardless of the means employed. The prohibition shall remain in force during recesses and until the witness is formally discharged by the court. Consultation on unrelated matters, the use of any necessary medical accessibility, interpretation, or other device shall be subject to the court's prior approval. The clerk, therefore, is hereby directed to inform each witness of these directives prior to testifying. Number two, secure all prohibited communication devices in the witness's possession before he or she is sworn in. and number three to obtain the witness express confirmation on the record that he or she understands and

7:46 shall comply with this directive. Any violation shall be brought to the attention of the chair and dealt with accordingly under the court's disciplinary powers. The directive shall take effect immediately and shall apply to the witness. Henceforth, this court will be receiving. >> So ordered, >> your honor. Um yes, attorney Sheila, >> I request that attorney Lyndon Miguel Bwell be recognized as well for the laser anchor. >> Attorney who? Um attorney Sheila. >> Lynon Miguel Bwell. >> Thank you, your honor. >> Um Attorney Lindon, you are recognized. >> Good morning, your honor. >> Good morning. Um

8:31 um I have been informed by the clerk that both panels now have a platform for their use according to their decision whether or not to use it as may be appropriate. Um it's up to you attorney Ray if you want to use it too and attorney Lindon if you want to use it but it's there behind you in case um clerk of court is directed to call um the witness of the prosecution um Colonel um Boran Singh to and direct him to please and situate him to the witness stand. Is Colonel Ban Singh here? Yes sir. After

9:21 you. >> After you. Sir, please raise your right right hand. You Manaros M. Buran Singh I >> Manarus Embor Singh I >> do swear. Do swear >> that the evidence you shall give >> that the evidence that I will >> in the case now pending >> between the Philippines and Vice President Sarah Zimmerman Duterte >> between the Philippines and Vice President Sarah Zimmerman Duterte >> shall be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. >> So shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So help me God. >> You may be seated Colonel Brun Singh. Sir, you heard in open court earlier

10:06 since you were seated in the gallery the um reminder of the chair that any um listening or similar devices are prohibited while you are on the witness stand during recess while you're taking lunch until after your discharge sir. Do you understand those instructions? >> Yes, sir. >> Thank you, sir. Um let us hear your offer. Um attorney um Ray. >> Thank you very much, your honor. The prosecution is most respectfully offering the testimony of the witness to prove the following facts. Number one, at the time relevant to our examination, Colonel Manaros Boran Singh II was the assistant chief of staff for civil military operations of the first Tabac

10:53 division of the Philippine Army and was the officer responsible for supervising and monitoring the youth leadership summits and information education campaign activities of his division. from January to December 2023. Colonel Manaros Boran Singh, Assistant Chief of Staff for Civil Military Operations, First Infantry Division, Philippine Army, Monitor, Civil Military Operations,

11:39 Youth Leadership Summits at Information Educate Campaign Activities. activities. Second, the Philippine Army First Infantry Tabac Division without any participation or confidential funding from the Department of Education conducted eight youth leadership summits and 53 information education campaign activities in 2023. December 2023, First Infantry Division Leadership Summits Information Education Campaign Activities,

12:27 Philippine Army, Colonel Goran Singh, Philippine Army local government units um with the indulgence of attorney Robless choose your language council English if you want to use English Filipino if you want to use Filipino you don't need to translate it in Filipino anymore >> yes your honor uh >> to save on the first time >> as you can see your honor I actually prepared my formal offer in straight English your honor >> you may you may read it you may read it in Filipino if if you want. Um, yes, your honor, >> and just simply flash it in English and for those who um >> Yes, your but I was just saying over the

13:14 weekend, your honor, when some of my friends and relatives learned that I was going to be presenting, I was told that uh then use Filipino council. don't have to say it in English again to save on the court's time. We don't need to translate each and every statement made or given in court. Kindly use Filipino if that is your desire. Uh we'll go to the third offering under secretary for administration depeding

14:00 certification dated January 1, 2024. First infantry division leadership, youth leadership summits information education campaign activities 2023.

14:51 confidential funds. Number four, DEP eda intelligence and confidential funds auditing office. information gathering or surveillance activity informers 15 million 540,000 pesos rewards

15:37 funds audit observation memorandum number 2024-015 January 1 2024 Singh certification YS IEC activities Philippine Army number five Yls at IEC activities

16:28 armywide programs, projects and activities, Philippine Army, July 2022. 2023 operating line units. First Infantry Tabac Division areas of operation participation.

17:16 Number six, Philippine Army. Information gathering at surveillance activities army army. LG

18:03 15.54 million confidential funds. And number seven funds impeachment. That is our offer. Your honor, >> comment, attorney Lindon. >> Uh your your honor. The purposes of the testimony of Colonel Buran Singh are not facts but conclusions devoid of any

18:48 factual or legal basis. Your honor, >> subject to crossexamination, your honor. >> Julie noted. Comment is July noted. It's an offer. Council, um, Attorney Ray, your witness, you may proceed when you're ready with your direct examination. >> Thank you very much, your honor. Colonel Buran Singh. >> Yes, sir. Good morning, sir. >> Uh, I hope you had a pleasant. Yes sir. Sir, could you tell us what is your current position s armed forces? >> Yes, sir. I'm currently the commander of the task force Sambanga uh under the first infantry tabak division Philippine Army sir.

19:39 Impeachment courtific. Yes sir. I receive it. I received it at uh August 25 at 1:9 p.m. >> By the way, sir, is is this the first time you're testifying on this matter? >> Uh I was called last October 2024 to the lower house to Congress for a uh uh investigation in laid uh in aid of uh legislation >> also on this matter. Sir, specifically on this matter, sir. >> Would you know, sir, which committee of the lower house and on what day? >> Um, I'm sorry, sir. I couldn't uh I can't recall.

20:24 >> Uh, if I show you, sir, the TSN for the hearing, will you be able to uh determine whether or not that would be the hearing which you attended? >> Yes, sir. Uh at this juncture, your honor, we request uh for authority for our assisting council, attorney Robert John Zalasar, uh to present to the witness the document uh that we intend to show him. >> Continuing authority, the both assisting councils are um granted um to approach the witness. Yes, Attorney Lynon. Your honor, we object to the presentation of the document being confronted to the witness considering that he testified that he he testified to li that he cannot recall. >> That's why we're confronting him with

21:10 the document. So >> yes, >> overruled overruled counsel. We'll allow it. Um >> at this juncture, we >> kindly confront the witness with the document. At this juncture, your honor, we also request for the benefit of the honorable senator judges and for the viewing public for us to be allowed to flash the document on the screen. >> Council is allowed to do so. Um chair would like to inform uh the senator judges as well as council for the parties and the public that the court has already taken judicial notice of the proceedings of the um house particularly the committee on good government and public accountability but only as to the existence of that hearing and the statements made in that hearing not as to the truth of the statements made um

21:57 therein. So you may do so council. >> Thank you very much your honor. For the record, we are confronting the witness with the transcript of stenographic notes previously marked as exhibit P- Roman numeral number one-1 C for the prosecution. Good. >> As stated earlier, your honor, this is among the documents for which judicial notice was graciously granted by the honorable presiding officer po. >> Yes, sir. And uh uh that was the committee the committee on good government and uh public accountability. I also saw the uh uh my specific statements and it's uh what was an Yes sir. October 17, 2024, sir.

22:46 >> Okay. Thank you po. So uh uh you are the commanding officer of the uh first tabak division or task force. >> Yes sir. Task force sir. >> Before your position sir position armed forces. Uh I was the deputy brigade commander of the 102nd uh infantry exon brigade also under the first infantry tobac division from November to November 2025 to May 2026 certific issued it I signed it January 1, 2024

23:32 when I was then the assistant chief of staff for civil military operations G7 of the first infantry to back division. This is the position relevant to uh the testimony we uh intend to request from you. >> Yes, sir. >> As assistant chief of staff uh for civil military operations. >> Yes, sir. >> Of the first infantry tabac division. Um, chief of staff, chief of staff for civil military operations. >> Uh, uh, in the first infantry, the back division, sir, uh, we have our

24:18 commander. >> Yes. >> Uh, a major general. We have the assistant division commander. Then we have the chief of staff of, uh, all the general staff. So that's why I'm called the assistant chief of staff because we have a chief of staff which is uh with the rank of colonel. So he oversees uh the general staff. So question just to clarify terminology. Yes sir. >> Who is the top officer in your division with oversight or in charge of civil military operations? uh the commander sir but I advise him and do the planning for him sir. >> So you are the staff officer in charge. >> Yes sir. >> Okay. >> So would it be who is in the first

25:06 infantry division who has among the staff officer the effective oversight and supervision over all civil military operations of the division? >> It is the assistant chief of staff uh for civil military operations G7. And that was your position at that time sir? >> That was my position a few years ago sir. Sir now anyway certification is >> Yes sir. >> Uh if that certification is shown to you will you be able to recognize it? >> Yes sir. >> Attorney RJ. Um your uh colonel I'm showing you a document which is captioned as a certification

25:52 with the date 1st January 2024. Lampo. For the record, your honor, this is the document previously marked as exhibit P- Roman numeral number one-22- A for the prosecution. Yes sir. Certification is that my that was that's a copy of the certification I issued.

26:38 Manaros Emban Singh I Colonel Philippine Army >> the one I uh the document I saw it's my signature but the one in the uh PowerPoint has doesn't have my signature sir. So, so anyway, your honor, we will be following the document because that is the one mark in evidence. >> Yes, sir. >> According to our legal staff, it's because of data privacy. That's that's why they had to uh mask your signature. >> Thank you very much, sir. Okay. Certification sir. Conduct of eight

27:25 activities for youth leadership summit Yls with 531 participants and an information education campaign with 53 activities and 9,428 participants in different schools in the area of operations of this command. Assistant Chief of Staff for civil military operations. >> Yes sir. As the uh assistant chief of staff for civil military operations. I primarily advise the commander of the first infantry division on matters

28:12 pertaining to civil military operations in our area of operations. I also uh make uh draft the plans uh operational plans uh for civil military operations in the forest infantry tobac area of operations. I supervise uh the implementation of the plans and I also uh um get all the uh data on our subunits uh subordinate units implementations of those plans. >> Okay. Thank you po. Youth leadership summit or YLS. Yes sir.

28:58 Um the youth leadership uh summit uh is a uh longtime uh Philippine Army program or armed forces uh of the Philippines program. Uh it is implemented uh via inter agency. uh we coordinate, we lead but it is composed of all uh stakeholders in the area of operations. It is it was uh conceptualized and implemented primarily to stop the recruitment of uh youth either students in school or out of school youth to uh groups uh who are violent extremist and um this was started I think uh in 2002 sir by the Philippine army and

29:44 adopted and it has been done uh and it has been successful in uh um answering the deceptions by different violent violent extremist uh groups. These are implemented in uh areas of uh uh where the communist inspired uh insurgents are and also in uh Muslim areas where uh terrorist or other groups are operating. Sir, >> thank you sir. Long time Philippine Army. Yes sir. 2002 the first official according to our the army's historical records the first uh

30:30 record was 2002 in the southern Tagalog sir. Yes sir. Regular plans programs and activities unit. It is part of uh the regular program uh of the Philippine Army uh uh if it is requested by our subordinate unit sir multistakeholder lead or primary agent agency we coordinate the Philippine uh Philippine army coordinate sir but as much as possible uh it is uh uh we try to make it that it's a whole of uh societ society and whole of government uh effort. So we may uh instigate it or

31:18 uh start the planning and the organization but it is uh co-equal implementation. >> Would it be correct to say that it is a project of the army with uh we invite stakeholders? >> Objection your honor leading. >> Well sir >> what does council say? Attorney >> your honor uh anyway we'll reform the question. kindly reform. >> What is the lead agency in so far as these projects are concerned? >> Well, sir uh there uh it's the army and we try to have the local government uh unit uh involve as much as possible. >> Okay sir,

32:06 it comes from several sources. Each uh participant like uh uh each contingent is funded by it their agency but the youth uh we coordinate that it's the provincial local government and the municipal or city local government who fund uh their participation but for the other lecturers and participants from the other a government agencies and uh other stakeholders they fund their own uh uh uh expenses for Uh yes sir. Okay. Army. Well um of course sir uh we follow the

32:53 government uh budget uh process. It's uh one year before. So uh we uh I'm not really an expert on the budget uh planning sir but we submit our activities uh I think first quarter and second quarter that we want to be funded and it goes along the process until uh it's approved by first or second quarter of which year project >> uh the year minus one sir so if if the budget is for 2020 27. It's 2026, sir. 2026. So, one year before proposal activities.

33:38 Could you uh clarify descriptional? Objection. Your honor. Leading. >> Your honor. Um council are not allowed in direct council reform. >> Yes poama proposal project. Uh sir I I said earlier sir I'm not really a u uh I'm not an expert on uh government uh budget process for >> as far as you know. Well, uh I think it

34:24 follows uh the current government uh um policy and uh on an SOP on uh what needs to be submitted for POPS to be approved >> and and as far as you know what needs to be submitted. Well, on our part sir and our subordinate units we submit the specific uh if you want to have a youth leadership summit the number of participants and uh the general area or province where it it will be conducted sir. >> Okay po. So who decides who will be the participants to the summit? It is also it will be the inter agency

35:11 group uh or what we call as a technical working group sir it's composed of uh the army the PNP uh the debt uh the local debt ed um and other stakeholders sir it uh varies from uh area sir so it depends on the area sir >> okay u sir how frequently do you conduct this wireless uh summits in your area of oper operations. >> Um uh if I may sir I think uh for 2023 sir there were eight but this is because uh we usually per year we have more in the previous years but because the threat uh was waning down in our area of operation uh it was lessened in previous

35:56 years sir uh uh I I think I saw one of the records that it was uh many more so it's uh it depends on the threat level sir. 2002 based on records, youth leadership summits. I cannot uh recall sir uh because uh uh we do not have a uh u records way back to 2002 sir but I recall sir in 2005 we had a youth leadership summit in uh hulu sir >> as early as 2005 for your unit sir. >> Yes sir. Uh Sulu was then under the

36:42 first infantry division sir. So 2005 I cannot answer sir I don't have >> to give a general idea was it yearly quarterly every 3 years >> it's definitely annually sir >> annually >> yes sir and uh it it is based on the threat level sir >> okay thank you sir certification information education campaign or IEC ano po IEC. >> So the information education uh communication u campaign service is uh it involves informing the communities and the other

37:28 stakeholders on the army programs uh government programs and the threat that is uh in the community sir. Okay sir. EC activity campaign activities sir again sir it's an inter agency uh uh effort sir we have army funds but we coordinate with the uh uh Philippine information agency uh the local governments and uh other national government agencies sir uh for uh printing of uh tarpolines uh handouts and for uh ABPS or audiovisisual or

38:14 presentation sir. >> So sir normally multi- uh party activity lead IEC activities. >> It's case to case basis sir. uh like for instance sir um last year sir uh or in 2023 there were some briefings about uh the threat of terrorism in Lano Delsour and uh the Sabbona Peninsula. So if the um target audience excuse me is the a school sir it will be the school but uh many uh stakeholders will be presenting during the forum sir initiate project

38:59 >> is this a project of the Philippine army >> it's case to case basis sir sometimes the school or the community request for it sometimes it is the army sometimes it's the LGU sir kaso It's the Philippine Army which is taking the lead. Uh again sir we follow the uh budget process of the government. So it's one year before sir. So one year before actual holding your honor compound

39:46 your reform council decision IEC activity >> the IEC activities again sir uh we coordinate with the local government uh units for their offices and their communities uh with depth ed uh if the schools are the ones to be uh delivered uh for information education uh communication campaign s uh depends sir uh on uh the specific uh area and circumstances budget process. Yes sir. >> Objection your honor. Argumentative. >> No, I'm asking him to confirm. I have a follow-up question.

40:31 >> Overruled witness man sir. >> Yes sir. Uh at least for the army uh funded uh uh material sir and coordination uh part sir. Uh it is the army sir. So so it it is uh like for instance sir a um if the threat is to the whole province then it's the whole province sir. So submit proposal for your IEC activities. Again sir we follow the government budget processor. It's a year before sir. >> The year before. >> Yes sir. Committee on good government and public accountability October 17 2024. Yes sir.

41:21 hearing vigor. Um witness may answer. Um I think he knows what he's being asked given that he testified earlier he recalls the hearing and having attended hearing. Witness may answer uh a very long uh hearing sir I cannot specify maybe you can ask a specific question. >> Okay. Uh what I'll do sir is I'll show you a specific portion because I have questions relating there too. No. >> Yes. >> And then I will ask my questions so that you will recall what transpired. >> Yes sir. >> Is that fair? It is sir. >> Thank you. Um your honor, at this juncture, may we request uh to refresh the memory of the witness that we be allowed to play uh the video

42:10 contained in the USB previously marked as exhibit P- Roman numeral number one-1 C- I for the prosecution. This is part of the videos. for which the honorable uh court has graciously extended judicial notice. >> How long is the video council? >> Your honor, about 4 minutes and 30 seconds. We are uh specifically requesting for the playing of exhibit P- Roman numeral number one-1-5 or part five uh starting from 39 minutes 34 seconds to 44 minutes

42:55 and 7 seconds. Technical. Can we play the video? Video number one. The clerk of court through the tech is um authorized to so play the video. Colonel Boran Singh >> out of eight youth leadership summit po attend >> Colonel Bur recognized. >> Yes uh Mr. Chair I was only able to attend one. >> So that means that you have no personal knowledge as well. >> I have >> of all the eight youth leadership summit

43:41 that happened. Uh I have personal knowledge of this ma'am. Uh Mr. Chair, if I may explain po uh the structure of uh or my position is I'm the G7 of the infantry division. So the infantry division has three infantry brigades. uh they control uh three uh one has four provinces, the other has uh one province and the other brigade has uh one province. So I am in charge of supervising uh I am the civil military operations officer uh Mr. Chair. So I closely monitor we all closely monitor the program of the youth leadership

44:28 summit uh to ensure that uh it uh to ensure that is it is multistakeholder and it fits the objectives of the program. So we have personal knowledge uh we can't go around in each barangai but uh they have uh since uh we used the uh budget from the uh Philippine army we have after activity reports uh fund utilization reports pictures and documentations and uh uh we have to ensure this because uh we have a yearly inspection from higher headquarters. So we may not have been there but uh we have uh personal knowledge. We are the program managers of this book. >> You mentioned a while ago Colonel Buran

45:15 Singh. >> Yes. >> You were using the fund of the Philippine Army. >> Uh >> you confirm that? >> Yes. Um Mr. >> Are you sure? >> Yes Mr. Chair. >> For the eight Y LS >> Yes. Uh >> that were conducted you use the fund of the Philippine Army >> for our participants. we used are uh the Philippine Army the for the students uh they use the local government unit funds uh Mr. Chair. >> Okay, that is clear. Mr. Chair, I just wish to manifest the statement of Colonel Boran Singh that during the youth leadership summit for the military they are using their military fund and for the children or the youth they are using the LGU fund.

46:01 >> Uh Mr. Sure. Uh if I may >> please continue. >> Yes. uh they use uh since uh they use the some use the provincial local government funds and the municipalities uh some delegates also are using the uh the uh municipal LGU funds and for the participants from the other stakeholders from DEP ed from Vida from the police of course they use their uh own uh uh funds uh so it's really a multi stakeholder. >> In other words, Mr. Chair, a lot of offices and agencies are using their respective funds for intelligence in conducting the youth leadership

46:47 summit. This is your statement. >> Colonel Boran Singh. >> Um I didn't say uh uh intelligence funds ma'am. Uh what I said was uh like for instance for their billing for the hotel they have to pay from their own agency funds for their food they have to pay po >> what is clear there are different offices >> uh involved >> who shoulder their respective expenses >> yes m >> for the purpose of youth leadership summit >> Mr. Chair yes >> in other words it is not only the deped >> yes Mr. who spends its confidential fund. >> Uh I'm not I have no knowledge of what their source of funding is

47:32 >> but in as far as you are concerned gastatangina k >> and for the children the youth you said it is being shouldered by the LGU tama. >> Yes, Mr. Chair. >> Thank you Colonel. >> Colonel Boren Singh. >> Thank you. Um uh your honor, can we proceed with our examination of the >> um >> I'll ask. >> Yes, council. You may proceed. >> Thank you, Colonel. Uh just to clarify, was it under oath? >> It was. >> And uh do you confirm the veracity of the statements you made in that hearing? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Thank you.

48:19 video funding certification. >> It was stated in certification, sir. January 1 to December 31, 2023. John YSE activities 2023

49:04 funding YSE activities 2023. Objection, your honor. Ask and answer. >> No, your honor, this is a different question. The witness was answering before uh about activities in general. I am asking for a specific period of >> will allow it. Witness may answer. >> Yes sir. Uh for the 2023 uh youth leadership summit sir the funding for the uh whole activity itself uh came from various uh government agencies sir. So for the army participants and for the coordinations it was uh for the army participants it was from the army uh in

49:50 the budget of the army >> for the students and out of school youth participants it was funded from the provincial city or municipal local government funds for the other participants from other uh agencies or civilian stakeholders it was from their own funding sir participants local government units. Yes sir. Funding by way of confidential funds

50:39 provide DEP ed activities 2023. There was no uh funding released to the first infantry division. uh uh from dep eder and uh of any sourcer. How about funding by way of confidential funds provided by the offices identified with the respondent vice president Sarah Duterte, particularly the OVP, office of the vice president or the vice president security and protection group or VPSG were their funding provided from those offices for your YS and IEC activities

51:28 in 2023? three >> for 2023. Sir, there were no funds from uh other uh any uh government agency released to the first infantry tabac division. Sir, >> I was uh asking you about confidential funds. Now, let me ask you about funds in general, confidential or otherwise. How much funding was provided or downloaded to your unit by the deped for your conduct of the Y LS and IEC activities in 2023. Uh as I uh earlier said sir uh no funds whatsoever or any amount was uh downloaded to the first infantly division uh for 2023 for the youth

52:15 leadership summit and information education communication campaign sir okay >> by any government agency sir. Okay. Although in general, how much funding other than confidential funds was provided or downloaded by to your unit by the offices identified with the respondent vice president like the OVP or VPSG for your conduct of the YS and IEC activities in 2023. >> Objection. Your honor, asked and answered. >> It's a different question, your honor. >> Asked and answered, council. Um, objection is sustained. Move on. Council

53:01 >> sir, ref referring to the Y LS and IEC activities you conducted in 2023. Who decided when and where to conduct those? Where to conduct those activities? >> Has he answered, your honor? >> No, your honor. >> I'll allow it council. I I don't recall witness having answered that. >> Yes sir. So uh it is the inter agency technical working group sir that decides a specific but it has already been uh been uh uh program for uh like for instance a single province sir but a specific municipality will be decided by the inter agency technical working group composed >> as you said it's already been programmed

53:47 correct? >> Yes sir. But uh the for the specific barangi situ it's not written there. It's written uh uh like for instance the province sir or the municipality sir. >> So uh as you stated earlier is this part of the budget process you mentioned earlier to be submitted one year before? >> Yes sir. At least for the army uh participation sir. >> Okay thank you. With your indulgence council, when did the inter agency committee decide on the venue of the uh YS and the IEC? Good morning, sir. Sir, AFP decide the year before specific and that the areas

54:32 are chosen by the inter agency committee. Yes. When did the inter agency committee decide at 2023? uh for uh let me uh in way of answering sir if I may sir show a specific uh example sir so like for instance sir in lano delsur sir uh there was a youth leadership summit there conducted December 2023 sir so a few months before sir a inter agency meeting was uh initiated by the 103rd infantry brigade in Marawi city sir and then uh they looked at uh the threat levels where those killed uh terrorists killed or surrendered or uh captured where

55:20 which specific municipalities are they coming from? >> What date was this agreed upon and when was the wireless? >> If I could uh >> this example you're citing sir? >> Yes sir. >> You can you may refer to your notes sir. You may refer to your notes just to give us an idea. Fore.

56:12 I here. >> So, uh this one sir in Lano Delsur sir it's uh it was in August 7 to 9, 2023 and the uh the specific venue is Barangai Poblashon Madaya Magging Lano Delsour. So we have here a uh preparation phaser which was done July 15 when they met with the president of uh we have an organized uh alumni of youth leadership summit at uh they met in Kuran now sir with the army officer sir and uh uh the topic discussed was the preparation for the requirements of the uh ys summit sir. So uh >> so the month before sir.

56:58 >> Yes sir. Uh it uh it depends on the specific circumstances of the area sir. It could be a month it could be two months before sir. >> You're talking nine ys activities in 2023. Correct sir? >> Uh eight sir. >> Eight. >> Yes. >> Your letter to you the letter of general Bajao tosek mein mentions nine. So it's only eight. >> Yeah. That's a different uh area for general DJ >> al so eight you conducted eight so all eight pre agreement with inter agencies with an inter agency committee inter agency committee >> yes sir >> okay your your witness councel

57:45 >> thank you your honor October 17 2024 committee on good government and public accountability certification. Yes. In fairness so that I can ask my question and I will show you the video before asking you questions. Uh, your honor, can we play can we be allowed to play exhibit P- Roman numeral number one-16? Um, this is part six of the video which to which the honorable court has already

58:30 extended judicial um notice. uh starting from 27 minutes 21 seconds to 31 minutes and 9 seconds which is around 3 or 4 minute video. >> You may proceed council. The tech is so instructed to comply. >> Kindly play video number four. Please continue. Congressman, >> thank you. So uh armed forces of the Philippines or Philippine Army units as far as I know

59:18 Philippine Army which conducted the uh the summit. Would that be correct? >> Yes sir. Correct sir. >> That's correct. Now may I ask certification that's not you certify why why did you certification >> Mr. Chair >> Color Singh you are recognized >> uh Mr. chair sir as I earlier mentioned sir uh because all of almost all of our activities on the ground are multistakeholder uh when we appear in activities of one

1:00:03 or uh many agencies many agencies ask for certifications of attendance as I have asked the secretaria to issue us with a certificate of attendance that we attended this activity uh we assume that that certification was also for uh those uh for that purpose So a lot of uh other national government agencies and local government units asks for certifications uh uh in that manner also. Uh so you're trying to tell us that uh it was uh you mein which required the submission of that c of those certification.

1:00:49 >> Yes. Uh he asked Mr. Chair. Yes sir. Uh was it uh through a written document or what? >> Um he uh called our commander sir our forces of the Philippines. >> Well sir uh the other agencies also like for instance the department of uh the regional offices of the department of agriculture uh Tesla they also text me during our activities. So I think it's a accepted mode of uh unofficial communication sir. >> Yeah. Uh for your information confidential fund uh deped in its accomplishment report

1:01:36 for your information. Number one counterinsurgency programs. Number two is abuse prevention and control within schools. Number three, anti-illegal activities operations and anti-extremism and terrorism programs. Nowhere could I find accomplishment report office of uh the department of education. What I see now activity armed forces of the Philippines is enumerated.

1:02:22 Okay. And yet contingency fund n depth ed why >> okay please continue. Uh Colonel I I would like to ask you about what you said about the certification you issued. You were asked sir >> uh why you issued the certification and uh just to recapitulate or restate. uh you said essentially that the

1:03:09 certificate was issued as a form or certificate of attendance to stakeholders who participated in the activities and you even cited the fact that you also requested for a similar certificate of attendance from the committee secretary. Would that more or less be a correct restatement of what you said? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. So, do you affirm that answer before this uh court that you gave? >> Ask an answer, your honor. >> No, your honor, that's a different question. >> Um, he did ask answer that in the video, but does he confirm it today? >> Do you confirm that? >> Let me answer that statement. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Now

1:03:57 based on the record uh as already also stated in the video the certificate you issued sir was used by the depad and submitted to the ka for the purpose of showing proof of success of information gathering or surveillance activity to justif ify the payment of 15.54 million in confidential funds as rewards. >> Objection, your honor. >> Your honor, I haven't asked my question. >> Finish your question, council. >> When was the first time that you learned about this? >> What's the objection council? >> I withdraw my objection, your honor. The

1:04:44 prosecution changed its question. >> If he knows, witness may answer if he knows. >> Yes, sir. uh made aware of what specific certific rewards Department of Education. >> No basis. >> No basis, your honor. >> That is part of the record. >> Is yet to testify as regards any submission of any document to >> neither have I heard that council, but um the intelligence of the council for

1:05:29 the parties. >> Okay. >> I noticed that um the certifications are all common exhibits of both parties. >> Yes. There is no request for stipulation on the part of the prosecution in so far as the certifications are concerned. Is that correct? >> Yes, your honor. But this have been previously testified on already by the KA witnesses, your honor. Particularly uh Mr. W. >> Agreed council. Agreed counsel. All I'm asking is um if >> so there is basis for us to confront the witness because that is part of the record already. >> That's not the issue of the presiding officer council. But I'm looking at the possibility of shortening the proceedings if um if indeed these are common exhibits in so far as >> I can enumerate all of the

1:06:15 certifications the respondent is willing to stipulate on the certifications including the AOM and the deep depth ed response if the respondent is willing. If not then we proceed as um you intend to. Um, attorney Ray, Attorney Lyndon, are you willing to stipulate as to the common exhibits pertaining to the Koa AOM on DEP ed, the responses and transmitted letters of DEP ed, and the certifications issued among others by Colonel Boran Singh and others pertaining to um, YS and IEC's. Um, is that possible? >> We can stipulate on that. Your honor, >> I will enumerate council then.

1:07:02 The KOA AOM dated 24 2024-015 dated February 1, 2024. The COAOM dated COAM number 2024-171 dated August 8, 2024. Do you stipulate, council? >> Yes, your honor. um deped reply dated April 17 to AUM number 2024-205. Do you stipulate council? >> Yes, your honor. For the record, that's defense exhibits D-I-79-de, your honor. >> Yes. Um the transmitted letter of de of deped response to AUM number 2024-171.

1:07:48 Um, if I'm not mistaken, that's D-1-92-DE. >> Correct. Your honor, >> the State Plate Council. >> Yes, your honor. >> Um, the certifications issued by various officers of the Armed Forces of the Philippines. Coming from um, Colonel Buran Singh, dated January 1, 2024. Colonel Sang Dan dated December 30, 2023 by Lieutenant Colonel Magtangul Panopio dated um December 5, 2023. The certification issued by Lieutenant Colonel um Mendoza dated September 25, 2023 by Lieutenant Colonel

1:08:34 Jikris J. Mendoza dated December 10, 2023. and um certification by General Baja or Baja dated December 12, 2023. And finally by Colonel Darren Kia dated July 1, 2024. I can name the exhibits in Sriatim to council if you want. >> Uh we can stipulate your honor. In addition, your honor, uh, for the record, in D-I-92-D, it is a transmitted letter letter of a reply dated August 22, 2024, >> which is >> not dated August 27. A >> August 22, your honor. >> August 22, >> which is attached uh as uh attached to

1:09:20 D-I-92-D, your honor. >> This is the one signed by USK Civilia. the that that's the D-I-92-de the the reply which is the reply dated August 22 2024 which is attached to the D-I-92-DE is separately marked as D-I-93-de your honor >> yes and do you stipulate as well with that >> yes your honor >> finally the the letter addressed by Major General Baja to um Usek Mein which is your D-I-84-de and D-I-85DE. >> Uh we we can stipulate on that your honor. Um more moreover, your honor,

1:10:09 uh may we also request uh stipulation on uh the data on joint 7 DEP ed anti-insurgency campaign from 01 January 2023 to 31 December 2023 >> dated December 5, 2023. >> Yes, your honor. which is prosecutions exhibit P- I-22- um P- I-22- C-1 stipulate attorney Ray uh let me check uh P-I >> P- I-22- C-1 >> data on joint 7 um 71st 7 ID um DEP ed anti-insurgency campaign from January 1, 2023 to December nomber 31, 2023. Dated

1:10:56 December 5, 2023. Signed by Major Roelio Dumbri, Jr. and Lieutenant Colonel Magtangol Panopio. >> We're willing to stipulate, your honor. >> Yes, for the record, your honor. Uh that document is uh defense exhibits D-I-83-E. Your honor, >> this is a common exhibitor. >> Yes. So stipulated. The affformentioned documents are slow stipulated by the parties. meaning to say no proof need be presented in regard to these documents other than to complete the narration um of the witness. It's ordered. >> Thank you, your honor.

1:11:46 Deped audit observation memo 2024-05 dated 17th April 2024 address honorable Nilda BLA attorney Michael Wesley TOA under secretary and chief of staff Certificity.

1:12:42 and information gathering 15,540,000 pesos. >> Uh your honor, before the witness answers, your honor, uh can the witness be directed not to during the examination not to confer with uh other people or his staff. Your your honor >> seated behind. conferring with you. >> Which witness, your honor, is he referring to? >> Uh, this witness. >> Who are you conferring with? At Colonel Ban Singh, >> he's our army lawyer. Sir, I was just asking about this stipulation. Uh, explanation. >> Um, kindly avoid that, Colonel Bruning.

1:13:29 >> Yes sir. Um as earlier um ordered by the chair while you are testifying you are not to consult or get any um coaching from um anyone whether it's a party in interest and or um and or um be councils for either party. Um we will as as as best as we can um colonel we will look out the court will look out for your rights and interests um and we'll so invoke it um you may invoke it anytime you need to or the court may do so um so the parties fail um to invoke it for you council um so ordered thank you for that um attorney lendon >> uh we we also object to the question your honor for being compound and vague

1:14:15 your honor >> now I forgot the question already kindly repeat the question attorney um document which were already subject to stipulation by the parties. I I I remember um if you know overruled if you know um Colonel Ban Singh if you know that that document was used or was submitted to KA in relation to an AUM if you know yes your honor the question was when u October 17 2023 during the hearing in the lower house. Yes sir. Okay.

1:15:01 Certification. Uh if we could uh I'd like to clarify the question, sir. 15.54 million confidential funds depos um your if the witness knows council um uh I have no knowledge sir I would have expected that

1:15:47 Um, yes sir. I haven't even read the COA document, sir. COA document. >> No sir. confidential. Uh, could you tell us ano po reaction? >> Objection, your honor, misleading. Um, objection is sustained, council. Um, >> your honor, there's nothing misleading with the question. I'm just asking for the reaction of the witness when he learned. >> Council, I I don't believe this was disallowed by KA council. There's no evidence to that effect.

1:16:32 >> I'm sorry. uh I'll reform. So certification flags 15 million 540,000 pesos frankly sir Uh I did not have any reaction sir uh because uh we conducted the youth leadership summit and uh in uh in u coordination and with the help of all the stakeholders there and uh we had

1:17:20 our own problems in our area of operations 2023. Uh during that time we just had the uh bombing in Marawi city. >> So frankly speaking uh we had more at least for us more important things. argumentative, your honor. >> Anyway, >> move on. Council, what explanation did ED officials officials hear for he was present? >> Well, anyway, we will just confront the witness with the video.

1:18:05 >> Um, you may do so, council. Okay. Thank you, your honor. Uh, we request that we play we be allowed to play, your honor, exhibit P-1- uh, uh, Roman numeral number 1-16, part six, starting at 17 minutes 43 seconds to to 27 minutes 16 seconds. Uh, technical, can we play video number two? >> Tech is so directed. indulgence. With the indulgence of

1:18:52 Congressman Flores, uh, Congressman Akop, the chair recognizes Congressman Akop. >> I would just like to ask some clarific clarificatory questions regarding the interpolation of the honorable Luis. Who can answer me? Youth leader leadership summit. Is it a program of the deped the armed forces of the Philippines? Major General Baja Bahaus. >> Bah recognized, Mr. Chair. >> You're recognized, >> your honor. It's a Philippine Armywide program, a three-day activity po. Um,

1:19:38 >> it's an activity included in the budget of the Armed Forces of the Philippines. Tama. >> Yes, your honor. >> It's one of uh the PPAs in so far as your budget is concerned. >> Yes, sir. >> So, in other words, when you conduct this events, you do not need the help of other agencies or the funding of other agencies. I would disagree to that your your honor because uh we can only spend for our own troops but uh the need of other participants and the subject matter experts have to be carried by participating agencies. What are what is the legal basis why the program of the armed forces of the Philippines is

1:20:24 participated uh on by other agencies of government? What is the legal basis? Um your honor we just operate in the context of the peace and order councils but um our participation in the PC would uh also reflect on the participation of other agencies when we conduct this activity sir. >> Oh direct question nan general did you receive any funds from the con confidential funds of the OBP in the conduct of your of these events? No sir. >> No. >> No sir. >> There's no uh funds coming from there are no funds coming from the office of the vice president. >> Yes sir. No fun.

1:21:09 >> Thank you. Uh may may I ask the uh you mein? >> Yes sir. >> Yousek me you are recognized. Why would Yes. Why would certifications be addressed to you? >> Your honor, uh Mr. Chair, as uh I mentioned uh to uh a while ago, I was uh asked by uh the office of the secretary to get report from the >> You were asked by the police. >> Office of the Secretary >> by the >> office of the secretary. And who in the office of the secretary asked you that

1:21:59 office of the secretary? So there must be somebody from the office of the secretary who asked you to do that. >> It's >> and may I know who that is? >> It's our uh former chief of staff. Uh >> and who might that be? >> And who might that be? uh former uh USK attorney Mike Poek POA would you would you agree to the answer of the USK of USK me? >> Yes, Mr. Chair uh uh Congressman Akop. Yes, I I confirm that uh >> that you asked him to ask for the certifications >> uh from the different unit commanders of the ar the Philippine Army. Uh, if I may

1:22:46 explain, uh, your honor, the answer is explain. Yes. Yes. Yes. Your honor, can I request the technical to pause because I have a question or two for the witness. >> Um, you may proceed, council. >> Thank you, honor. in your case. Um, I was directed by our then commander uh of the first infantry tabac division, major general vir uh to uh draft a

1:23:33 certification. He was called uh by uh US under secretary uh men. >> So more or less It's according to what you experienced. Uh yes sir. >> Okay. So can we proceed with the playing of the >> How many more minutes is that council? >> About 3 or 4 minutes your honor. >> Proceed. Yeah. Philippine Army conduct uh Yls Yls. Your honor, if I may qualify specifically on Yls, what I asked for was for any accomplishment.

1:24:27 you receive from the rewards I mean you received through the giving out of rewards. So because of this I coordinated with you mein to see to to provide any proof of accomplishment rewards disperse confidential funds. >> Thank you. May I ask uh you have been in the army? >> Yes, your honor Mr. Chair wireless rewards. >> Uh can you please tell me which part of

1:25:15 that program would require the giving or the awarding of rewards? Which part of the program would uh require uh the gathering of information? Confidential fund ed now which part of this uh your honor Mr. chair for the conduct of YF per se there's no >> in that particular any areas of that for the rewards giving off rewards your honor Mr. Chair basisidential

1:26:04 fund agency would you agree with me >> uh yes your honor Mr. here. Yes. So that you asked for these documents to support your liquidation in so far as the confidential fund of the department of education is concerned. basically primordial and yet you are submitting or you submitted to KOA documents to support your liquidation of the confidential fund of the department of education.

1:26:55 for your information. Philippine Army justify expenditure fund department of education >> council. Can you pause it here >> to justify? >> Attorney Ray, >> your honor, just one minute more. Your honor I >> this is already Congressman Akob speaking. >> Yes. The there was an answer. I I don't want to end it here because if I remember there is a response from you poa and uh I don't want to cut it here

1:27:42 because object attorney Lindon. Anyway, your honor, I can end it here. >> End it here. Council, you can present this part when you call or after you call attorney POA if you want. >> Well, your honor, I don't know what the objection of council would be, but we can address it because >> the only reason that these are not accepted as proof of the truth is if the uh respondent will have no opportunity to present the witness to correct. Your honor, these are senior personnel of the deped. They are senior aids of and they were making public statements under oath your honor. >> Yes, council. But we are um we are

1:28:28 dealing with Singh here. Um he has no relation anymore to the statements of congressman um the late congressman. >> I was just going to ask him in relation to the explanation given by deped in relation to the certification he issued. >> You may proceed council. I think he has heard enough in relation to that. Depressification.

1:29:22 informationidential information confidential operation certification your your honor can the uh prosecution be directed to just asking a question kindly simplify the question I know where you're getting Um, ask the question directly. >> Uh, I'll just uh Okay. Uh, let me just ask a few preliminary questions before I ask the ultimate question. Colonel area operations, first infantry division, currently sir or 2023, sir? 2023?

1:30:10 >> Yes sir. uh it the the area of operation of the force infrastructure division for uh during 2023 uh are the provinces of Lano del Norte, Lano Delsour, Sambanga delsur, Sambanga del Norte, Sambanga Cebu, Misamis Occental and parts of Misam or Oriental sir. Okay. I understand that's called Samanga Peninsula. Yes, sir. Station. Uh I I couldn't uh uh I I'd have to look at the historical record sir for the

1:30:57 specific date, >> but I think uh the first infantry division transferred there after uh I think late 70s or early 80s. >> So, Yes sir. >> So late '7s or 80s 50 years 26 more or so sir. So you you have been embedded there for 50 years. conduct intelligence or confidential information s area of operations. Uh

1:31:42 uh mayor clarify sir the SOP of the army or the police intelligence or uh confidential information army unit. Yes. >> Objection your honor. Speculative incompetent. >> No your honor. I'm just asking about this standard operating procedure. Your honor, >> your honor, >> witness is supposed to know. Your honor, >> the prosecution is asking uh the SOP of other agencies, your honor. >> No, I'm asking the supposed SOP. >> Um other agencies. >> What are you leading at council? Still in relation to um the document being

1:32:29 submitted as part of DEP ed's liquidation. >> Yes, your honor. uh in relation to the ris to the explanation given by the depth ed during the in the during the hearing on 17th October 2024 >> with the indulgence of councils um colonel um Singh um certifications operations.

1:33:16 Um, no sir. Uh, I am not an intelligence officer sir. I am not privy to uh any intelligence officers or first. Yes sir. But would you know if spent on that activity on their own people because you collaborated with deped on that activity? Would you know KKB? Yes sir. Uh what I know is uh they arrived there. They were there uh during the youth leadership summits and uh traveling uh as I know in the government entails expenses and permission to leave

1:34:01 the post sir confidential funds. I have no knowledge about the source of funds. So you can confirm that no money was given to the AFP or any of its units or or um or um uh anyone for anyone in your unit but that DEP ed must have spent money on um the activities. >> I can only speak for the first infantry tobac division Philippine Army sir. uh no uh funds were downloaded to our my our specific unit sir >> but it is very possible that deped spent on the yls and the IEC's sir um final question did you spend conf intelligence or confidential funds for these activities on the part of the

1:34:49 >> uh or was this part of your regular programming as you said earlier chargeable against your regular budget >> it's uh part of the regular budget sir but if I May I explain sir? So that uh the >> you may sir. >> Yes sir. Uh the conduct of the youth leadership summit is part of the uh um a campaign sir. So it involves civil military operations, combat operations and intelligence operations. Although I cannot comment about the intelligence operations sir but they are interlin and uh mutually supporting. So uh all army and AFP operations are intelligencedriven sir. >> So it's possible that intelligence funds were spent by the AFP in regard or in

1:35:34 relation to these activities. >> Yes sir. >> Your witness council. >> Thank you honor. >> You may proceed from there. Samanga Peninsula intelligence or confidential information. Your honor, >> your uh >> big incompetent.

1:36:20 What's your response attorney Ray to the objection? >> Your honor, uh it's a it's a simple question. If there is an SOP followed by their by military units, >> your honor, the witness already mentioned that he is not an intelligence officer. >> I'm not talking about >> if he if he knows council. If he knows, if he doesn't, then let that be his response. Colonel Boren Singh, you may answer, sir. Thank you your honor. I I wouldn't know sir because uh again sir I'm not an intelligence officer. I'm a civil military officer officer intelligence or confidential information 2023 area leading your honor um reform

1:37:05 council. So operations area is division army >> leading leading your honor as unanswered. Okay. >> So what is just to get over the hump council please reform? Um I know where you're getting. >> What is the SOP sir? >> As your honor sir. Um I'll allow it council again just to get over this hump. >> Yes Bern Singh if you know. >> Thank you your honor. Uh I don't know sir. Uh I it's not my field of expertise sir. Again I'm an infantry operations officer and a civil military operations officer. It's a completely different

1:37:51 field sir. >> We submit sir. We will move on to another point. >> Is there a chance you will finish your direct counsel before lunch? Uh, I'll try to finish your honor. >> Kindly do so. Kindly try to do so without pressuring your council. >> I have several pages left. >> Please proceed.

1:38:41 US edification confidential operations certific or related parties. Objection, your honor. The question is premised on hearsay, your honor.

1:39:27 >> No, it's hearsay. It's not hearsay, your honor. They're claiming that to be the fact, your honor. I'm just asking him if that is the fact, did they receive any information? And from who? >> Here, your honor and misleading your honor. >> Council, I even doubt if um Colonel Ban Singh would understand or let's see um Colonel Berning, do you understand the question? Can you answer? Uh I was about to ask uh clarification ex >> that was um I would have sustained on that. Kindly clarify your question council information

1:40:24 activities. Objection, your honor. No basis. Compound misleading. >> There's basis, your honor, because that's the claim. >> I would have to sustain council um for being compound. Um and um again, the witness might have difficulty answering um the question. Kindly simplify your question. I will reform the question. uh conduct YS at IEC operations. >> Same objection, your honor. No basis, your honor. Witness has yet been qualified to answer that question. Your

1:41:11 honor, >> the um civil military operations chief >> with with the council's indulgence. Um, Colonel Boran Singhidential information sir in the eight areas sir uh where the youth leadership summit was were conducted so there were some inputs from the uh depir because uh some of the areas are schools sir and many of the participants are uh students. So

1:41:57 definitely sir uh they were involved in the planning in the choosing of the area sir inputs level deped if I could uh uh look at my record sir. >> You can look at your record sir. Let's still refer to Low Delur as an example. Um, Colonel Ban Singh. >> Yes, sir. >> The one you did in Mawih. While we're waiting, um, Attorney Ray,

1:42:43 kindly speak closer to the mic so that our TSN people can um more accurately get um your statements and words. >> Yes, Branshaed uh uh your honor uh it's not specified here the specific name. What's uh specified here is it was conducted in the municipal gymnasium of uh Magging Lano DSer. Do you remember if it was a local deped official in the area or a national deped official um that um gave you inputs? It's usually the school uh school uh principal, the superintendent

1:43:30 of a particular school district uh the regional uh officers of the deped sir uh that we uh uh coordinate with sir >> usually wang national deped official >> uh national meeting sir from the uh head office >> from the central office >> um uh in my experience in 2023 sir there was an answer. >> Still speaking of your experience in 2023, would you characterize inputs giving by given by DEP ed in so far as the conduct of these um YS and IEC's to be confidential in nature um or the product of confidential activities? Um I cannot comment on if

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