Is Ireland Losing Control? Immigration Special Part 1 | Nick Delehanty, Uberboyo & Michael McCarthy

0:00 Well, you're very welcome to uh an inaugural edition of Counterpoint in our new studios in Dublin and we've moved up in the world and we have a very interesting uh lineup this evening. I have Michael McCarthy here to my right coming coming in from Galway, well-known uh social media uh contributor. Uh Nick Dalahanti is with us. He's coming in. He's he's away in Europe at the moment and he's coming in from abroad. Uh uh thank you very much Nick. And we of course we have Uber Boy who would be well known to many and many of those also on social media who's particularly strong in the whole psychology side of of Oscan Zetgeist or whatever way you want to call it. Uh so you're very welcome to this edition of Counterpoint. Um I'm going to try and get as much as I can out of the guests that are here in this discussion. Uh we're going to go straight in and talk about what's going

0:45 on with regards to the biggest issue really facing Ireland today which is of course uh migration. And uh just just just just to outline a little sketch on that, I've been looking at this myself uh in the run-up to this discussion. We've had since uh over the last 5 years since 2020, roughly around 520,000 come into the country. A large number of that of course are legitimate here under with working working permits and of course the returning Irish. But roughly 36% of that number about 182,000 is coming in from uh refugees and asylum seekers. and of course the large numbers that came in from Ukraine under the uh special arrangements in Europe um uh on on on kind of temporary protection directive. Um and but when you when you when you whittle all that back what you

1:30 end up with is you end up with of the 182,000 that uh that that are in here um shall we say in an unorthodox manner uh 40% of those at 72,000 are coming in from you know the general area of asylum seekers and refugees. And we already know that a large majority of those are actually economic migrants rather than real asylum seekers and refugees. I do know because I went to check it out in preparation for this uh discussion that the Gardishia connor themselves uh are privately uh very concerned about what's going on officially. They're not privately. They're very concerned because they have no intelligence at all on on on what's coming into the country. And we can also tell from the European experience that there are very significant problems in trying to get um uh this matter resolved. it it looks

2:16 more like a damage limitation exercise than than anything else at the moment in many European countries. So, we we we'll probably get a little bit into that. But um but anyway, look be uh just just just to throw it open to my guests. H I just wanted to ask them really about um uh about the about an organization called the uh international organization for migration which is part of the UN and uh the Irish ambassador to towards Ethiopia was visiting this organization in Ethiopia quite recently. Have a look at this. So here we have uh the Irish ambassador uh Olivia Leslie uh in a recent tweet. There she is over in Ethiopia u you know promoting uh immigration into Ireland obviously s subject to certain terms and conditions and you might say well who is

3:03 the M? Well I didn't know myself until I started to prepare for this discussion. The international organization for migration is part of the UN. It has a budget of about four billion a year. Uh it has it has around a 100 offices throughout the world including in Ireland and Bagot Street. Uh it has about 22,000 staff. Uh about um uh you know about about a half a billion of its budget is coming from the EU, Germany as well as the EU itself. A large proportion is also coming from the United States and many other countries throughout the world. So this this migration industry is a massive global business. Uh they fund then through their budget the NOS's. the NOS's swarm around uh the national parliaments especially in Ireland that's part of the stakeholder capitalism model which has been promulgated by the uh world

3:49 economic forum for many years especially by Klaus Schwab whose mentor for 18 years and eulogize on his website was our own uh Peter Sutherland former chairman of Goldman Sachs and who in 2012 was over preaching to the house of lords in the UK why there should be complete open borders in Europe and what we do know from the data especially Danish data and data in other countries is that 45% of the migrants who come in have very poor levels of education and find it very very difficult to integrate and assimilate into a culture and and therefore become a burden on the social the social welfare system. So that's it just by way of background. Uh we have another data head in here as well which is Nick Delahanti. I want to get to you Nick first if I may and and to ask you about uh you know what your latest findings are in your investigations into

4:34 you know the the domestic industry which has sprung up around the building of iPass centers and generating income. Yeah. Well uh thanks having me on Eddie. Um yeah, look, I just put in, you know, a lot of time trying to shed light into what's happening and over the last few weeks, I've been focusing on, you know, Monahan and, you know, the levels of of unrest that's going on in towns like Carrick McCross and Monahan town and maybe Donnal and and other border counties as as well. And you know, when you dig into it, you realize that there are just so many uh well-connected uh families um high-profile GA

5:20 personalities that are making millions and millions of euros from all of this. And like, you know, a lot of people I try to stick just with money to, you know, follow the money. I try not to um to get too lost in, you know, the who, the what, you know, who's coming in, what what what what they're what's going on with them. I like just simply sticking with how much this is costing the taxpayer. It is absolutely ridiculous the amount of money we're spending on this. Um and you know the the argument I I I um consistently make is that this is all coming from the Department of Children and yet we have the highest child care costs in the world. I'm pretty sure someone so showed me a study there during the week that saying we have the highest in the world.

6:06 Um and you you know like what why why are we doing all this? Like what what's the point of a country? What's the point of a nation if it's not to you know promote families? Like that should be the number one thing. and we should be encouraging Irish people to have families and making it easier for them. So, that's my whole thing. Um, and you you know, even for saying that, you're you're labeled far right, anti-immigrant, all these mad stuff. So, we just have a very um um you know, nervous kind of political class at the moment who are afraid to talk all this stuff out. Um the just the last thing I was most recent thing I was doing this week was I was meant to have a talk in UCD and it was with breaking

6:52 point which is a kind of new open forum discussion. The whole thing is about having conversations and the the title of the night was is Ireland safe? You know, pretty like is Ireland safe? And we had guest, you know, four speakers. One of them was a professor in UCD for philosophy. His name is Tim Crowley. One was Ben Scallan. I was the other person and Theo McDonald was the other. And the UCD student union shut us down. We weren't allowed have the talk on campus. And so, you know, when you just That's what you're dealing with. like if we can't have these conversations, then what are we at? So that's why I'm very thankful for you, Eddie, because you've given up your time um and put in so much effort and you know, you're creating this studio, trying to get this new podcast out out there, and that's what's needed. We, you know, what I say is

7:38 radical. We just need really upfront, frank conversations. So, thank you, Eddie. Well, thanks, thanks, Nick, for saying that. Um Uber Boy, if I could come to you, uh you're coming in from uh from the United States at the moment. I know. I just wanted to ask you about um you know like this time last year um as you probably are aware um you know the doll met uh every single independent TD was quite clear on the instructions they were given by the citizens of this country which was that under no circumstances should we join the EU migration pact. the Danes were scratching their heads and wonder because they had the same option under the Lisbon Treaty not to join it and and they they've had the probably the only successful outcome of migration in Europe is in Denmark. They only admit to about 5,000 a year now and uh takes

8:25 about 5 years to become a citizen. So they finally got a grip on it. Uh and and we went to the metric opposite. Um every single TD for Fina Fall and the Greens voted uh that we should join the EU migration pact. I mean, how do you account for that? So, this is um it can make you actually quite pessimistic as a nationalist because you're dealing with the greed within the Irish people. And I think Nick Deahanti has been exceptional at pointing this out. He is someone who has sat down like a classic liberal journalist, ironically. He's obviously getting accused of being some maniac, but he's sitting down there with his cigarettes late at night and I don't know you smoke, by the way, and just like following the money, finding out was what is going on. And you see that there's lots of people in uh who have property and stuff like that. And these people get these cont they get offered

9:11 these contracts and they say to themselves, "Wow, I'm going to make a lot of cash. I'm going to do this. I'm going to I'm going to be become a multi-millionaire. I'm going to retire down into Spain." There's copious stories that we could specifically go through on this. But um the big issue is that these contracts don't come from anywhere. They don't they don't just like pop up randomly out of the sky. They're not just something that is uh happening kind of uh hap haphazard if you so will. There is obviously a project getting put into place and this is the thing that people obviously get a little bit uh afraid about talking about but there is certainly a system put into place to try encourage this migration with heavy incentives financial incentives specifically. And you can see this littered across various documents like project syndicate 2013 with George Soros and uh Peter Sunderland who had

9:57 been working on it for a couple years before this. and obviously even declarations about the the macro problem from the UN which is that we are our our populations our birth rates are plummeting in the west and so what we need to do this is as far back as the year 2000 is we need to begin to replace our population in order to keep the population up because if the population drops then the economy falls apart and then what happens is we can't keep our GDP up and then everybody goes broke and I'm giving them the best credence I can possibly give them here putting in no evil motivations but pointing out just that this stuff has been taught through and put together as a a very high level system that they wanted to uh put into place. And so an awful lot of the people who are I guess you could say getting the the dollar signs in their eyes and and building these iPass centers and all that these people are just um you know

10:43 driven by money. They're on they're kind of not really thinking about it in that type of level. They're not really conducting a plan. They're actually at the receiving end of uh structures and systems. And then there's been people who've been thinking about this for decades who've been saying all right this is something that needs to happen. the point of our culture is going to be this. Now, if you think about this, um, if you could move it back into history to get some context, think about like ancient Europe when the pope runs around and says, "We need to have a crusade to get Jerusalem back." He creates this grand crusade political project for all of Europe that gets all the people to focus on turning Europe into this militant force that goes down into the Middle East. And so what's really uh maybe kind of like bleak about our time is that our crusade of our time which our politicians and the high level thinkers and our popes if you so will.

11:30 What they're doing is their whole goal is to make sure that we don't have a GDP collapse. So they're going to do replacement migration as a consequence. And so we're all waking up in the middle of this context and ush saying to ourselves, "Oh dear, why is this happening? What's going on?" We we see obviously the the effect that like Nick points out that he sometimes maybe gets frustrated where people try to frame it as like you just don't like foreigners or something like this but really they're like the the strange people coming in are literally just the very low level of this stuff and a lot of them are incentivized to make their lives better. But the the level above that then is IP pass centers and then the level above that are like grand political structures financeering and very very clever systems put into place that you can study and all these type of things. So, um, the big problem for a lot of us in Ireland is that we're it's

12:15 it's hard for us to it's hard for people to quickly catch up with that and understand that's the situation and really drill that into their heads that being like this is the reality that's happening and then you're in a scary position if you say what if this project and plan is bad. Yeah. But Michael, yeah, Michael, isn't that the point though that um uh I mean you're very much jumping in on on on bringing the live video clips and you're doing very good commentary across it. Um but I mean firstly the that that whole economic argument is uh highly questionable now with the arrival of AI and robotics and all the rest of it you know the population collapse argument and of course the other argument which doesn't stand up either is that the quality of the migration coming into Europe uh is is actually in a position where it's destroying countries it's destroying Sweden it's destroying Germany they're

13:01 saying these are the words themselves in France you know above 25% of the French population will be Islamic by 2050 it's already at 13%. There's a statistic came out there last day. Brussels, you know, Brussels, Belgium, it's I think it's 84% of the population under 18 aren't Belgian and Brussels, which is a crazy statistic. Well, yeah, but at the same time, do we we do we need to be careful, I think, of kind of highquality migrants that are coming in um you know, including returning Irish, you know, with with permits and so on, and what's actually coming in behind, of course. Yeah, I do think that's another thing like people we can go back to people get caught on illegal

13:48 immigration and they see that as like the be all end all and you can get everyone to agree on that illegal immigration is terrible. Most people would be like, "Yeah, we shouldn't have illegal immigration." The other side of the coin is legal immigration. How do we deal with that? because at the moment was it last year 149,000 people came in. I think 86,000 of them were non-EU migrants and if they're non-EU migrants they're more diverse than the population here. So they might have frictions and different different ideologies but I think it's 86,000 people non-EU. You could clear out all of Gway City. That's for anyone listening that's Boore, Salt Hill, Noara. Clear it all

14:36 out and just fill it with non-EU migrants that came last year. Staggering numbers. That's legal. Well, it is. I mean, but the uh the the issue really is that if you look at the Irish model, for me anyway, just having done some research, and then you compare it against the Danish model. Yeah. I mean, it's just extraordinary what we've done. I mean, we're taking people, we're putting them into these locations. We don't know who they are. Uh they're they're they're coming in from countries that have no affinity. They they're not brought in for any economic reason, and yet they're here for that reason. And that um and that the domestic Irish families who are looking for these benefits can't get them. M we have a massive housing problem and then we're being told that the uh that there's no connection between all the numbers that have come in and the housing problem. It's crazy, isn't it? Like in in

15:21 England, a low-skilled non-EU migrant will never contribute to the state throughout its lifetime. A lot of the time they'll cost the state around 200 to 300,000 pound, which is just staggering. Uh and it's a drain on the economy, which they think is these migrants are propping up. The other side too is this IP pass system. We've created a business model that encourages refugees to come into the country. So you have people who now their business model is to make sure there's refugees coming in and what are they going to do? Keep funding the NOS's that stand outside and protest asking for more? Well, well, Nick, can I come back to you there? Uh I mean it seems to me that I mean you you you've got the numbers on a lot of the IPASS centers companies

16:09 setting up out of nowhere with you know with people that we don't know about with very little capital and suddenly they have multi-million contracts with the state. Um, you know, I hope to be talking later to Maliki Steinson about the rally in Dublin, and I know there's more to come, but it just seems to me that the political establishment, and as as we can see from the vote to join the compact, the the EU compact treaty, uh, are simply completely disconnected from the Irish people. Is there an argument here that the Irish people themselves should be looking at what Irish people are engaged in in in making money from these iPass centers and boycott them? Yeah. Well, I think that's happening in in a lot of places. Again, you know, going back to Monahan, you know, there was the meeting in Carrick McCross last week. Um, I wasn't at it, but I talked

16:55 to a lot of people that were and, you know, the high-profile names are are are effectively being boycotted in the town. But what I've also learned is that because they're making so much money, they also are able to set up other types of businesses, whether they're construction or property, you know, adjacent that you they'll end up building social houses or whatever. So, they end up employing a lot of people and because of some of them have celebrity GA status, you know, they they they they still get by on that. And then most most people that are profiting from it are, you know, not well-known businessmen. It can they're hotel owners. They could be just um cowboy businessmen that are that are setting up. But you know like like I I agree

17:41 with everything that that Michael just said there about um this is a business. I call it the immigration industrial complex. Everything is being incentivized for people to set up these pass centers. In the UK last week, the Sunday Times in their rich list, there was a first uh billionaire IP pass, the the migrant hotel king, I think they call him, and he's now a billionaire um from doing it in the UK. But there there is a shift happening and you mentioned the EU migration pact. just last week um the Dutch government. So, so the Netherlands, uh, they brought out a white paper and or a a policy paper saying that they want to opt out of the migration pact and how they want to, uh, reduce levels of asylum and you you you

18:28 know, they're presenting this to Europe and Europe are are are not very happy, let's put it that way, because this is a fundamental um, part of their EU membership. They don't have the same opt- out clause that we do. uh and that that that Denmark did or that that uh Poland does. Um so you know when you start stacking it up if if if England the UK have also obviously Starmer had his announcement today they're getting tough on this. So if you now have you know the UK, Sweden, Denmark, uh the Netherlands, Poland and Hungary. So that's six. Five are in the UK five are in the EU starting to get tough on this. the Germany obviously there's you know a swell of of a movement there so you know

19:13 is the tide starting to turn I don't know I'm kind of hopeful I think Starmer's speech today I was very for the first time ever I was like wow I'm impressed with Kier Starmer of what he said now they can say one thing and do another so I'm not naive either but you know for the first time I'm hearing the kind of rhetoric that that I wanted to hear um but but isn't that but isn't that inevitable from the results of the European elections last year when there was a shift in the the Overton window, you know, the acceptable extremes for the public more to the right, back to the center, but but being pulled to the right by the right and as a consequence of that, the politicians who typically lead from behind uh with their antenna are up and if there's a shift in in in the public mood uh in that window, um

19:59 you know, this this is inevitable. The problem we've got though is that the actual numbers that have come in are in. I mean the number of people that have been deported and forced of portation out of Ireland I think is less than 100 from from the from the numbers I looked at. Our data is very poor before 2022. So it's very unreliable. Yeah. You know just my quick two cents on deportations is that you know ultimately mass deportations don't work and they're very dangerous and they can cause a lot of um harm you know if you go back through history. but voluntary deportations, creating incentives for people to to, you know, to to leave, cutting off uh welfare and things like that. But, you know, Ireland, we are we we're new to this. You know, we we haven't been doing this for 10 or 20 years. We've only been doing it for the

20:44 last two. So, if we just I just keep saying if we just stop the numbers coming, you know, most of our problems will be solved, you know, pretty quickly. But whereas in the UK, they've they've accepted so many people over basically 50 years. they're in a totally different um uh place than we are. But some people might disagree with me on that. People some people are all for u mass deportations and things like that. Well, it's it's easy to say that. I I I I totally recognize your point. Sorry. You're suggesting then that in order to deal with the damage limitation and the basis of what what has come in that really, you know, is a problem for us that we would have to incentivize them to leave, which means paying them uh upfront uh cash um and and asking them to go. Well, Denmark did something like that. You know, they they had had this

21:30 val voluntary deportations. Yes. And so, you know, it works to an extent, but you know, I I I don't I just want I if we just what scares me is is the rate of the people coming and the the rate of um um money we're spending in on iPass. Like, that's just not sustainable. I just want that to be cut. And if we cut that dramatically, you know, with as soon as possible, you know, things won't be too bad. We we can get on with things. Like, you know, there's a lot of people here. Ireland is an incredibly rich country. Like I there's six million people on the island now, maybe seven. You know, we're so rich that we we have the money to and resources to take care of absolutely everyone on this island. I'm pretty confident in saying that. Um, but you have to create, you know, make it a

22:16 strict society where there are rules. people that commit crimes go to prison. All these kind of things that aren't happening um and you know create high levels of trust. But um you know some you know if you're a violent criminal and you you're you're currently applying to for for your citizenship here or or for asylum and you commit a crime like you should not have a right to be in the country. And Steph, Steph, are you seeing that? I mean, Nick has picked up the point there about a change in mood now being reflected in political uh speeches at least, you know, whatever about action. But on the other hand, of course, we actually see the European Union pushing us hard on on hate speech bills, which are directly connected to this whole area. I mean, that's what they're there. They're they're there to say anything we say is accurate and anything you say is

23:01 disinformation and misinformation, and we can we can create a lot of pain for you. Um but do you do you see are are you detecting a change yourself in the ground in terms of the the numbers that are responding to what you're doing and the type of comments that are coming forward? So this is uh definitely there's been a change but it's very possible to be very pessimistic about this because exactly your suspicion that these people can um say whatever they want but will they actually do it is is the main thing and and the the the fundamental problem even though there is a large rise in I guess you could call it populist energy or rejection from the immune system of the people for this plan if you so will. Um this is the the English for example have never voted in a majority for the type of migration that you're seeing. never once in their 50 years, but it was done to them anyway

23:48 because that was the plan, you know. And this is our problem. This is a political issue where we have a network of people for whatever reason are incentivized or brought together in this crusading project where they want to uh reforge the west into a different vision. This was actually revealed pretty clearly when you saw US aid with Elon Musk and Doge. When they showed that the infrastructure of the world hegeimon, which is the American state with all the money, the massive military, all this, they were projecting a giant amount of power out into the world to reforge the world into this utopian vision of whatever you want to call it. And this has been the plan. Now the I think the critical thing to really get into people's heads is that um the thing that is missing is the sort of self-love I guess you could say is that is within a nationalist if you want to put it this

24:33 way and I'll give you some very very clear examples of this for Ireland because talking about big states like America it can be kind of frustrating because we're so small but look at Dubai. Dubai is about four million people inside of it. Now Dubai has been more great replaced than Ireland has by a significant margin. Dubai has only um 11% of their population. They're as bad as Belgium. Mike brought off Belgium there a minute ago. The Dubai Arab natives have an 11% population. The other 80 88% or 89% or whatever it is, they're all foreigners. They're all not Dubai natives. They're not Arabs. But these Dubai natives have a 3.5 fertility rate. They get um three third level university. They get a subsidized petrol. they get a their first house is

25:19 given to them without a mortgage where they can or they give it a mortgage with no interest or something like this. They they have all these enormous benefits that make their life so easy. So even though they're in a like crushingly scary minority where you have like this huge thing of immigrants, you know, there's loads of us that go over there as well. They have no fear because the purpose of their state is to serve them. They build the Dubai state to make the the Arabs succeed and them win. And as a consequence, their fertility is through the roof and they're doing very well. Singapore is another brilliant example. You can look at them. They're a small country, like a bit bigger than Ireland, but they're like ran really really well and it's done with the intention to make Singapore win. Now, you come to the West, you look at what was going on with us, you look at what was going on the the psychosis within liberalism in

26:06 general. And the purpose of our states is to get hate speech laws to do what we call anti-white propaganda to lambast and shame the native populations and beat them into submission and get and the kind of parasite off them and then I guess you could say help outsiders in some type of way. And it's this actual self-hate thing that really causes the psychological problem that leads to all of this. So our big regime problem, our big political problem is that we if we want anything to change, we'll need to see that significant difference happen where we're reforging and building our states for us. Like Ireland could be such a powerful state if we took a Dubai attitude and a bit of an American futurist attitude. If we were thinking like should we start to nudge into nuclear power? Should we use the giant marine territory that we have to maybe explore like oil or something like this?

26:53 Should we start to maybe maybe work on our our technology? um capacity that we have and maybe get into the AI game or something like this. I'm I'm not quite sure, but we could do so much, but we don't because the purpose of our state right now is to essentially push the Irish out of the way and participate in this money grab that a lot of people are doing. So um our our political problem is very very serious but there's model there's lots of models out there like uh Dubai all various other ones that have been that are hugely successful but it it involves the one great taboo the moral to to taboo which is actually caring about yourself and caring about your people and building your state for that purpose instead of a sort of a free-for-all for everyone else in the world. And that's the great sin and that's what we're trying to work out. So I hope that wasn't too indirect. No no it wasn't. No, but I mean just to just to help you along there, I mean the the

27:38 big issue in terms of the model we're under is like Ireland. You I I would describe the Irish government as a vichy government. Um not for the first time. I was describing it as that in 2012 as well. And and the reason for that is that um you know Ursula Vanderlin who's as you know is the EU chief. She was she was on the board of trustees of the World Economic Forum and the World Economic Forum official policy is to implement stakeholder capitalism. And stakeholder capitalism means that you surround the parliament with NOS's which you fund. They're they're the they shout they're shouting the policy. The politicians are just the just just become managers of the policies that are created. And then of course you have the corporate arm and you have the permanent establishment the the civil servants and so on. And the the people don't get a you know in other words it's a replacement model for for for

28:25 representative democracy. And that's what we've got unfortunately if from what I can see. And that's why I think that uh that you know the focus on on on what we're talking about which is social media engagement getting people to wake up uh and then uh you know and then the rallies on the streets and all the rest of it seems to be the only way to go because um I mean if you're if you're if if you're if we're waiting for Europe to come up with a problem to a solution to a problem that it has created uh you know we'll be waiting quite a while and uh even though I would like to be optimistic about it um you know politicians will say whatever is necessary you know to to keep the show on the road. Um but ultimately if the if if the problem that has been created has is going to come back on to them uh you know it's just going to be it's just going to be presentational rather than rather than real. But we'll see. Uh we

29:12 yes we'll see what happens. Sorry was there something was that Go ahead. Yeah. I was just going to say Eddie that like a lot of people find this very difficult to like conceptualize like what would change actually look at look like and it's uh you know it it is a very extreme thing but again you have Dubai it is a complete total migration plan to serve the state and you have to look at that and say the only thing that is sort of functionally different because they're more extreme than all of us the only thing that's functionally different is the purpose of the state is to serve their people and that's the one thing that you see missing over here in the west well like in Ireland we don't anywhere near the numbers they have. I think we've only got like 15% of a foreign population. Look how much chaos this is causing because people like Nick are exposing the idea that this is

29:59 actually a parasitic uh project on on the Irish taxpayer and that's the thing to just sends people crazy, you know. So, if you can get that flip psychologically that that change that what is the purpose of what we're doing here is about creating something for us that's a big one. But I don't know is that going to come anytime soon? Can we expect politics? No. But this time last year when there was dull debates on the on the EU migration pact, uh there was only a handful of TDs in the chamber actually debating it. Only a handful I mean like 10 to 12. Uh it just they just weren't serious about it. Now they turned up in large numbers for the vote itself and of course it went through I think with seven or nine votes clear. Um but I mean it's quite extraordinary that we actually handed over our borders uh to unelected br you know bureaucrats in Brussels that can actually deliver quotas to us and say you must take in

30:45 this number of people. We've been told to expect 15,000 but the actual real preparations for 24,000 when you look at the detail and uh and it's just been done without any without any recourse to the Irish people. Uh there was no referendum. uh and that's that's the very point that's stakeholder capitalism and operation and uh when you look at the investments people are making behind the IP pass centers well that's corporate investment and when you look at the pressure coming in on the land banks from the outside well there that's again more corporate pressure from you know where where where individual Irish people trying to get into the housing market are being pushed aside by this by this by the massive spending power that's going on by these big international land bank companies and that all sent that all goes back to the same source that's the point you So um you know it's a big big issue and uh and

31:30 I know it's very hard for people to get their heads around but all the information is out there. What's not there at the moment is enough people willing to engage with the information and and to grasp it and and to wake up to to what's on our doorstep. Michael, can I just ask you in terms of the um uh reaction that you're getting to the video clips that you're doing? Are you finding um are you finding a change in the reaction you're getting to it? There's there's a huge market there. There people love the content because it speaks to them. It's something they've wanted to say. A lot of the messages I get are like, "Thank you. I thought I would have I was alone in my thinking. Turns out there's hundreds hundreds of thousands of us out

32:16 there." like 4 months into starting it was 115 million views in 30 days and 21 million accounts reached. That's a crazy number of people watching the content and agreeing with it. I would say 95% are good comments and you'd have 5% that are bad. And you you started doing this quite recently, didn't you? You were you were just tell me a little little bit about that story. You were in um you were in mark sales and marketing and in the construction industry. Yeah. So started off in construction for 7 years. Uh then did a mental health course company. Did that for two years while I traveled during CO. So we started just traveling the world during CO because obviously

33:03 the restrictions here and came back went back into construction and then traveled a bit more and then when I came back here I kind of wanted to do something you know but what was the spark that got you into straight into this because you're you're right in the middle of it now. It was I it was the frustration. I suppose I was looking around and I just wanted more of that media presence here in Ireland and it like it just came to you. You're thinking why isn't it there? And then I'm like wait a minute I'm 29 years of age at the time. 29 year old man. Who am I waiting to do it? So I said I might as well. Well, well, that's because I mean I mean she I'm just just to bring in Nick again on this. I mean

33:49 there was a complete desertion of the Irish people, wasn't there in uh the start of co I mean journalism has become more like propaganda. I mean I I open newspapers now just just to see how bad it's after getting and it's it's it's just a constant attack on on on the on the undesirabs the unmentionables as they might see it which just ordinary Irish people. It's quite clear from those that come out in the rallies, these are ordinary Irish families walking with their children, uh, expressing their deep concern about what's going on in their communities, and they're being labeled by their own national media, by the editors of those newspapers, uh, who basically, you know, were were bailed out by the state during during the co years. It hasn't changed. Is that too harsh a judgement? No, it's not.

34:35 Like, CO was a wakeup call for an awful lot of people, including myself. It gave people time to um you know away from their job or you know to actually read what read or look at what's going on around in the world and it was a strange time. Some people bought it hook line and sinker and then other people were like what's going on? This is ridiculous. And it it it shed a light on things and you know it was a pivotal point for everything like you know I started creating content during that time. I think other people are similar. Um and even look at Trump's tariff wars like that that whole thing is because of realization during co that supply chains um were very fragile um and that you know you need to to onshore a lot of

35:20 things. So CO was a huge thing and we're only we're still not over the total impacts of it whether you know you're talking about the actual disease or or or where it originated from and all sorts of things. But uh from an Irish point of view, yes, it completely um uh uh it became crystal clear how uh entrenched our media is like and it's it's getting to the stage where it's it's it's laughable. And yeah, like um the the control that the certain political parties have over Orte, you know, people are now pretty much okay to say that Ort is is just another arm of Fina Gale and it's not too far wrong. Like um you'll never like we'll never be

36:06 allowed on the TV, you you know, and it's just ridiculous. But the thank God for social media, thank God for for the for Elon Musk buying X because now you can say what you want and you know the success of you know Michael or or Uber boy um you know and and your podcast all of us like we're gaining a lot of followers like I would argue that um you know a simple video that any of us put up gets more views and more interactions than the Late Late Show and we're doing it for free and the Late Late Show has a budget of millions. Um, so you know, there's there's a lot at stake here and they're not playing the the social media game. Well, it doesn't come naturally to them. They're not able to do it because they have they can't report honestly on

36:55 things. And that um, you know, because we're allowed have opinions, it's a premium to content because people want to hear and read original opinions whether they're right or wrong. They just want to know that the person talking is saying what they truly feel. Well, I mean, I don't think the liberal left are going to change their position too quick. Um, I mean, if you look, for example, at the U just to the end of last year, we had Luke O'Neal uh, you know, been interviewing with Pat Kenny H saying, you know, it was definitely the bat h what done it. um uh when it when it came to the pandemic that this fat had floating 1,000 km across China, didn't land anywhere and just swooped into the wet market in Wuhan and bit some pengolian that bit some China and he as far as he was concerned that that you know this is this is this is

37:41 stacking up. Should we concede that it's nonsense? I mean it's been investigated and there's you know huge payments of money that went from USAD over to over to the Wuhan Institute of Urology and we know it was part of the American bioweapons industry and all of that. So what I'm saying is that from my perspective what I see is I see a bunch of editors and I know them. I see a bunch of presenters that's the same voices all the time and they're now engaged in as far as I'm concerned they're simply engaged in operation coverup because of the scale of uh of of what they'll face otherwise. So um listen I I don't want to uh extend this inaugural um discussion uh too much further but is there anything uh you you haven't said that you'd like to say? I'll just ask each one of you that question. Uh starting with you uber boil.

38:26 Um well look something that you're speaking about there with the US aid one is a interesting question and like uh COVID and everything like this because again these are just examples of grand co like coordinated uh global projects and they are clearly wellunded and they're clearly showing you that the political ruling elite if you so will they are coordinated and they have their big crusades that justify that define their lives and we uh live through them and I was pointing out Dubai earlier their political elite have a very specific intention which aligns with their people and you could call that a nationalist project ironically and then over here it seems like we don't have this. So what is what is our big issue is is it seems to be this it's almost like a hostility from our our political elite if you so will and the people who

39:14 usually get into places like the doll and stuff like this they are obviously just a servants for those larger goals. It doesn't seem like there's any will inside of the Irish nation, the Irish national political system to stand on its own feet and resist these macro trends because there's just too much money. The brown envelopes, not even that, just explicitly getting paid like salaries and stuff like this, incentives, IP pass contracts, they're just so big that it's so difficult for people to sort of say, I don't want to I don't want to bite the hand that feeds this type of thing. And I often say this to to leftwingers because I'll speak to leftwingers and they'll call you like a a maniac and they'll call people um all sorts of things. But you would speak to them and their world model is that there's this group of capitalist billionaire uh bankers that are destroying the world, you know, and and they these bankers want us to hate uh

40:00 homosexual people and want us to hate black people so they can cause race confusion in order for us to uh to be confused while they exploit us all with money and all this. And it's I just find it so fascinating because if you sort of say to yourself, well, how would you form a coherent political way to resist this? Obviously, the first thing you would come to is you would need a team that doesn't bicker and doesn't fight. And that brings you immediately to the idea of a nation of a national project. And again, in Ireland's history, it's so interesting how everybody's so proud of Irish history and we we love the fact that we have our nation and we all hate the English, as they say. But this isn't that exactly the definition of our situation. there's this giant global um you could even say Anglo-American empire, you know, it's an Anglo Empire. It's projecting out this moral crusade. You might say it's a little bit toxic

40:45 right now. Now, they're doing different things over there, so it's not obviously it's very very nuanced, but we have our little nation and we're caught in the the ruckus of this and it seems like an awful lot of our political system is is possessed by interlopers and we want to say to ourselves, how do we actually make this stay about serving ourselves as opposed to being an exploitation racket? And it's funny because that mental model is the obvious position you'd expect people to be. That's what the purpose of Irish nationalism is. That was the purpose of this nation. But um it seems like a lot of the left just don't want to go there. They consider that some type of cardinal evil. They want to support the propaganda of the current regime if you so will and they they don't have the imagination, the open-mindedness to look at somewhere like Dubai or Singapore or like reconsider these situations. I think there's a lot. Well, I agree with all that. Well, I mean the extraordinary

41:31 thing about the uh the opposition in Ireland is that the actual main opposition party Shinfane are even loathed more than the actual government parties which takes uh which which take takes some going. Nick, was there anything you wanted to just speak just before I wrap and I'll then I'll go to Michael. Yeah. No, I agree with a lot of that. um you know you can take a lot of lessons from Dubai and Qatar and these these Gulf states and I do think we we should raise the bar to what uh it means to get citizenship like we so we it's commonly said that you know the Irish passport is the best passport in the world but yet if you actually look break it down we're the easiest passport to attain uh citizenship rights um definitely in Europe um you've you've you've you've spoken at length in the

42:17 past about Denmark Surely that's the model that we should be looking most most closely at. Yeah. Like like I people say, Nick, are you left or are you right? And I'm like, I don't actually really care. I just want a country that works. Um and so that's like a competent government. Denmark seem to have a very competent government. They have the social democrats. So I often say I'm a Danish social democrat. They have very good freedom of speech, very um strict immigration laws. they they they um uh basically deconstructed their version of RTE in 2017 and you know focused on on on independent media but then on the right you know like um uh Uber boy mentioned it earlier um you know uh uh uh Singapore is very right-leaning

43:04 country you they don't have very good freedom of speech laws in Singapore but they have an excellent uh they do everything else excellently because they they their public transport support, education, everything. So, I actually don't care. I I will live happily in a Singapore style or or Denmark Danish style. But the the the what makes it work is that you need competent really good people in government. And so that's why I am doing this because I'm like look we have a my over thing is like we don't have a housing crisis, we don't have a an immigration crisis, we have a political crisis because the people in power you know dropped out of journalism after a year or you know our our head of AI our minister for AI has never used chatbt you know like

43:50 these are real stories. So, so my my thing I'd like to say to everyone is just if you're watching this, know that none of your family are, none of your best friends are. You're actually niche enough and you need to like educate those around you. So, you know, there's an onus on you if you know about this stuff. You got to educate people. Finally, Michael, isn't that the point that that each one of us really is trying to wake up the what I call a nap, a nearly awake person? Yeah. And and get them on side with all this material. Yeah. Yeah. And I see it changing. Like you go back two years ago and if you were to bring up any of the topics we would have talked about here today, you'll be shocked. They wouldn't want they don't want to hear it. They wouldn't want to hear it. Now today, I say you can go into most households, bring up immigration, and you're going to get the same opinion. It there's too much. It needs to be dialed back. That's

44:37 why I'm more of a I have a very positive outlook on it because I do see things moving in the right direction. I wouldn't have said the same. I wouldn't have said the same thing just last year, this time last year. Now I actually see things changing and it's because of work like yourself and all this that goes into it, Nick, Uber boy and everyone else involved. But isn't it also because of the change in America with the whole Trump thing? I mean that that was a big wind of change that came across the North Atlantic. 100%. Yeah. So it's not all bad. Some of it is good. Some of it's good. And I do think we're like some stuff coming up like the EU hate speech stuff that's there lingering in the background, but I do believe we have this movement growing and growing that we should be able to challenge things

45:23 that come along like that. Well, listen, I'm going to leave it at that. I'm going to leave it at that for this uh for this section of Contra Point because my next interview will be with Malaki Steinson and I'm going to pick it up precisely there. Thanks for listening.