The Cheetah Girls (2003) dir. Oz Scott | Showgays: A Movie Musical Podcast

0:01 [Applause] [Music] ready no I'm singing it okay ready I don't want to be like CER sitting in a d waiting for to come and set me free I don't want I'm waiting for handsome to and save me on Will Survive I know somebody's on my side else i' ra res myself [ __ ] I feel like starting this by

0:48 saying no I'm singing it tells me you didn't really listen to the message of this movie no I'm singing it no I'm singing it and I'm I'm the leader I'm the leader of this podcast I'm the and I'm the leader and I write all the songs the leader of this podcast welcome welcome to Adam and the show gaze a c musical podcast Adam and the show G well also like I'm not gay myself personally so like I have to you didn't want to take you didn't want to take space in I don't want to take space in commune yeah um RJ it's your birthday tomorrow happy birthday to you you ready to be what are you doing what the hell how old are you going to be um I don't even I truly don't know am I turning 33 or 34 you're turning 33

1:34 Okay 33 the dirty 33 conratulations thank you are you the oldest one of this podcast yes I am yeah he's the grandpa Grandpapa grandfather oh yeah because Adam yours is in is in the spring yeah but you were so you were born in 92 do your families do your families think it's how are your what am I trying to say what the [ __ ] are you talking to me it feels weird that as the baby that I'm in my 30s like that's kind of like oh my uh you're shocked by the advancement of time not that it's weird shut the [ __ ] up girl you're so stupid no but it's like it's weird to think about cuz I think in my when I think about my family like my Dynamic it's like I'm I am the baby so it's like it's

2:21 just Weir yes but they still treat you like still baby me so that's true yeah nothing really and maybe this is just maybe is just my psychology what freaks me out more is when my oldest sibling reaches a new decade and not when I as the baby get to the new decade you know what I mean cuz my brother is seven years older so he'll be 40 next year and that is crazy yeah oh my God yeah I haven't even thought about that but when my sister turns 50 I think I might freak out well you'll be turning 40 so you'll definitely be freak definitely be yeah that's true yeah yeah thank you um I we don't have really anything and like as usual I'm doing I guess I should get you a gift yeah but what do I want I don't even know you just want more more quality

3:09 time with me that's what I'll get you actually can you actually for a for a birthday gift I want a stay yeah can you actually book me and Airbnb somewhere for the weekend that sounds honestly sick do you have plans for like what you're going to do on the day not yet you have a thing that night I do yeah I'm actually I'm doing I'm doing a play reading the Saturday morning so we have like a little rehearsal oh I see I see see we have a little rehearsal to get ready for it it's so funny cuz the reading is at wagan in the morning on Saturday so I'm like so that's out there yeah but we might then just do something Saturday night or you know do something at 900 pm on a Friday the night is young why not you're young you're young still young nearly 33 but I do have a

3:55 half day that day so if you do get out of work early we can go do something but I don't know what I don't know what Mark today he was like I'm sorry we've been slower lately and I was like I don't mind appreciate that great Molly how's are you oh man I'm so tired the concept con actual literal Camp is just the most tiring thing but I only have a week and a half left I've got the end of this week and then next week so wow we're close we're close to being do school start soon in SoCal for a lot of kids yeah um the 12th is of August is when a lot of public schools start so yeah wow yeah we were we were in flew by we were in LA this weekend

4:43 because it was not for me we were in LA this weekend because it's a year since we had that corporate lunch last year when we were at La breakfast um oh yes and we had the the corporate the corporate lunch it's already been a year since that lunch which is crazy we discussed so many business things at that lunch that was just catching up on Gossip from I meant ask M we gave you we invested in crypto we gave you all our money to invest in crypto how's that going we haven't checked in oh it's great hard it's great and I'll be I'll be writing you a check very soon EXC wow I'm so exciting um I'm ready you a check in Bitcoin though so you can't actually use it anyway oh I actually do need the check in Us doll reasons yeah um well welcome we

5:29 have anything I don't think we do I think you would have oh I think we do oh my God I'm sorry I'm I've been neglecting but I get notifications when we get a an email okay we have one from Robert called thoughts and suggestions oh everybody everyone suggestion everybody's got suggestions uh he says I want to start this email start by thanking you all for reviewing XII which was his suggestion oh it was it was fun to hear all of you drag the bore of a musical no pun intended literally the worst musical to win best picture of Academy Award yeah I a more fun and positive note I have uh another suggestion I would love to hear your thoughts on one of my favorite movie musicals funny face oh the not only is it much better than Gigi yeah

6:15 there's so much more to love about it song A how was that a sequel of oh oh I'm thinking funny lady I'm thinking funny lady face own funny face is Audrey I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry funny face is Audrey and Fred a stare I have seen it before there's so many funnies out there yeah there's so many funnies it's just there was a moment you know how like there was like that year in like 2012 or whatever when all the novels were girl was like girl on the train on the L whatever girl the apartment the yeah yeah 1957 was funny that was funny funny girl funny lady funny face the Sun the Sunday comics being the funnies yeah yeah yeah yeah um Robert shouts out gersin songs fashion Audrey heer and Fred a St and

7:01 the delightful K Thompson who walks away with the entire movie almost also most of the film does take place in Paris there's another French is I mean at this point we we should have just made it a a a season in France for the Olympics I we we keep making the joke but like France I I just saw a tweet somebody was like does anyone ever think about how funny it is that like French the language was like the lingua franka of like of Europe until basically there was a European union and then it became English so like right when all the European countries like decided they were going to form was when FR it like French got out uh classed by like English became like the standard language wasn't it France and Germany that kind of like started the whole EU thing I feel like it was their

7:47 partnership but maybe France was like actually let's keep let's keep it in actually yeah um I live in I live in America so I only speak one language so sorry I didn't know there were other languages actually I wasn't a where until I move to San Diego that they're writing other languages check out based on your geographic history how many languages do you speak Adam I speak four huh I speak English I speak Abby duby from Zoom I speak parcel tongue E I don't have another one I and I speak Korean there I do know three other languages not like

8:32 fluently but I I do actually is it just French Italian and Spanish and ASL oh I know I know like how to spell it that's all I can do yeah yeah yeah um I use it in my job sometimes okay and then we got a follow up from Lucas so I obviously have to read this on the podcast have you read it have you read it yet yes okay is it is he mean I'm so scared you have to find out he starts it off by saying first off all of my emails are written in so funny that is so funny I love you three in all your opinions I just really hate Dian in the musical and honestly Fair Luc fair fair no yeah you're not wrong in that assertion sir um he said the best part of your proot special was Adam

9:17 talking about my favorite show the crown emela Stanton from the crown is also Queen of the National Theater live pro shots starring in the great Productions of F and Gypsy that were broadcast worldwide Sweeney totd she's currently she's currently in uh in um hello doly that was the next part of his sentence currently in hello doll you and Lucas are one in the same honey well no one's ever seen me and Lucas in the same room it's true never seen the same room before um he says maybe we'll get a pro shot of that sometime soon we could do a a reprise of hallow Dolly after that was my first ever uh podcast that I was on was the Hello Dolly was that's true um he says I like term cin musical because it sounds highbrow and could Encompass more than just adaptations of Broadway

10:03 musicals from stage to screen so I have two cin musical recommendations for you to cover if you don't hate me too much after my last email the first is the first is The Hunger Games The Ballad of song bird and snakes don't laugh um was the best musical of 2023 sorry to Wonka and The Color Purple sorry Toka we still haven't seen twanka so I can't comment on that but I did love the color purple so we'll see um this new Hunger Games Film was at least five original has at least five original folk songs performed beautifully throughout the show throughout by shog Alum Rachel zler she's so good at singing she makes Hunter Alum she is yeah she's west west side um so good at thinking that she

10:50 makes Hunter schaer shed a single tier I really think the use of diagetic music is so cool for a big budget young adult uh action movie at my screening during the reaping ceremony musical number a woman in the audience turned to her date and asked is this a musical I love that uh you also get topress Daddy Peter Dinklage I mean we love a daddy Peter Dinklage obviously and Via Davis also an Alum and Viola Davis in a wild wig if you ever cover I would want to hear your general thoughts on The Hunger Games movies and books as it can make for a really fun Nostalgia heavy unconventional episode Molly have you ever read or seen yes I have never read or seen a hunger or a game let me say this I I am a reader so I don't want to speak for

11:35 non-readers but never has a book engrossed my attention so much like if you I have recommended the hunger before to people if they are like I'm in a reading slump or like I'm not much of a reader I think that they just keep going with the action so I really do think it's a book that a lot of people would enjoy but so this sounds like it could be fun for us to cover because we'll have different perspectives and experiences so you guys have never seen or read them at all no and remember I have that weird fear of like dystopia and we all have to kill each other apocalyptic apoca stories I mean I guess it's not a weird fear but I do love those things um so I guess well you're you're kind of you're kind of the woman that jie Vance is talking about you know the childless

12:21 woman with the cat you know I mean exactly exactly so I'm really looking forward I'm really looking forward to the Hunger Games personally because of my childless status so look I made sh of The Hunger Games so I'm good I'm Gucci um uh yeah I don't know that would be interesting to have it reviewed by people who don't have any familiarity with like the franchise but it might be too much for3 I mean that's true we hopped right in the middle of that trilogy we've done it we've done it before we've done it before um last but not least I really think you should take advantage of RJ's American Idol fandom from cover film exactly exactly um I saw this movie at a

13:06 sleepover once and barely remember it but it's a musical comedy available to rent and it's only 90 minutes long do it for RJ and Kelly so ironically Lucas today's episode we thought was going to be from Justin to Kelly because it's RJ's birthday shot episode so he pick whatever he wanted and I was pushing real hard for just from Justin um because obviously you know that's history umor and RJ did not I went with a different movie that I I looking back like would should have been should have seen and like because I think I would have been like obsessed with it as well but so I'm kind of using this opportunity to this was my first time watching this I had never seen

13:52 Cheetah Girls until until two days ago I had never seen this movie before so I as an adult a 32-year-old adult decided to watch The Cheetah Girls and I [ __ ] on the plane listeners in no at no point when we were making the list of musicals for this year and RJ said he wanted it to be the Cheetah Girls did he mention to me that he had not seen the movie I didn't know you hadn't seen it before I didn't know you hadn't seen it either well we're keep I can't believe that I will be the historian of this podcast you're the subject matter expert of cheetah person that actually watched The Cheetah Girls wi it was least wait did neither of you have Disney Channel when you were his age so I did not have Disney Channel in the Philippines until like I want to say the fifth or sixth

14:37 grade so that that would have been around this time when this movie came out because this is like 03 I think is when I saw in the Wikipedia I think it was 03 um but I was way I was deep in like yeah I don't know why I wouldn't have watched it because I was like deep in Raven I was watching like that's a raven religiously and all up on Lizzie MaGuire I mean I I went to the theaters to watch the Liz McGuire Movie um so yeah I just think the dcoms because they were always on like the weekends I never got to wa because most of my TV time was always during the week oh I'm so sorry RJ was so popular he couldn't watch the week no I was saying yes but we I did our cable in the Philippines didn't get

15:24 dis mine the one that my family didn't get Disney Channel until like the fifth or sixth grade so that okay which maybe like O2 is o23 so I would it I would have I would have seen it but I just I don't know hold on did things Air at the same time would like something PR and stuff is that how it worked because I was wondering if it like premiered later in in the Philippines maybe I don't know how I don't know how International it has to be it has to be that it premiered in the Philippines before RJ got cable because there is way that a young RJ would not have been watching cuz like I watched all of Raven and like when I was watching it today I was like oh that's that's Raven's

16:09 rival no Raven Watchers in this house no like the um what's her name um chucha chuchi chuchi she plays like Raven's rival in the show oh in the show I didn't real she had been on the show I actually in the in the sequel series that's so was like just on the cusp of I was getting a little too old for Disney Channel so I saw like some episodes but I don't like remember it you know what I mean so that's actually my exact story is but I have seen the music videos I had because I knew Cinderella okay you know sometimes they would no on Tik Tok um because you know how they would do like music videos during Disney Channel like the circle of life you know with they play Cinderella a lot yeah so I

16:54 knew the song like but I but not so much other songs it was Cinderella was the one that they always played because I okay that one and then girl power they played a lot too but Cinderella for sure but also Cinderella has a obvious tie-in back to Disney so they can it's like yeah it's Synergy before the word Synergy really existed before the suits yeah yeah but yes so you are you are histori her historian sorry wow I have so much to tell you about 2003 before we get into the relationship to this musical RJ you have to tell us the the one minute summary of the Disney Channel original film The Cheetah Girls in a minute or less and your time starts now the The Cheetah Girls are a teenage girl group looking to break out as the next big girl group after passing their school's talent show

17:41 auditions they are discovered by producer jao Johnson who promises them a record deal and major success complications arise from each charact each member that threatened their dream Galleria self- imposes herself as a leader and is overbearing to the girls as much as she feels burdened by her overprotected mother Chanel struggles with gallery's changing personality while juggling her mother mother's relationship that may move them to Paris Dinda their main dancer needs to choose between the Cheetah Girls or paid gig in a dance grw to help provide for her and her foster family and aqua is looked down on by Galleria for being too provincial from the south when Jacka Johnson's offer turns out to be a concept nothing like their own image of Music Galleria decides uh disagrees with the girls who don't want to lose the offer and the group breaks up leading Galleria to reflect if she made the right choice for the group or just for her own dream galleria's dog Toto runs and falls into a construction sight hole and the Cheetah Girls reunite to sing and save him and pursue their dreams together without losing their friendship

18:27 and that was exactly one minute wow congratulations the character's full name is aquanette and she has a she has a twin sister in the book oh there's a book it's based on a series of 16 books well now you're not recommending The Hunger Games anymore sweetie series I got Page by Page podcast analysis of the girls book series oh my god um RJ yeah so your your full story with the Cheetah Girls is you knew nothing except the song I yeah I knew Cinderella and then like I want to say it was like in college well I guess maybe high school because you know all my friends are gay um but everyone

19:14 always saying like cheetah I like my friend Victor would always say cheetah Cheetah Girls Cheetah Sisters Cheetah Girls cheah sister to us and I would be like yes queen honey ha without KN without knowing I was like yes obviously um I know this um and that you know sailed me through all the way to today so great um but um there's actually uh going to be so this releases um on the first on the first this week we'll also post an article a friend of the ampl verse uh my friend Khloe um wrote a little like mini article about like lessons that the cheeter girls taught me because she recently rewatched it too um and it's like she's like they are my favorite she's a big K-pop girly and so

19:59 she's like my favorite girl group if you ask me is the Cheetah Girls my favorite my favorite K-pop group is the Cheetah Girls yeah um I'll just bounce off really quick because it's very similar I think I was like aging out of Disney Channel right around this time because I remember really watching the first season of That So Raven which actually starts the same year that the cheetah CS comes out the first season of That So Raven starts in January of 20 or 2003 um and so obviously you know we're in a post 911 era and um this is forier like August I think of 2003 so I think by that time I cuz I remember the earlier episodes of Raven more than I remember later season episodes because it ran for po Seasons 100 episodes which is wild to think about um so I think it was just around that time my sister both my sisters had like graduated at high

20:44 school at this point and like they wer watch they moved out lesie was like in college so she technically s a bedroom at our house but like she was going to Notre Dame so I didn't really see her that often so I feel like this is like where my brain was like okay and I'm also in a I'm like not a kid anymore either because they're gone so I'm like the teenager now yeah and that was when I was like Mom I want to watch medium on NBC and I would watch medium I would tape I would tape it every week wow wow because I was I love the thought of going to one's mother and saying mom mom I want to watch medium I need to watch medium I I want you to know that I've become a man and I need to watch I need to watch Pat solve crimes I think in like 2002 for like Christmas I this had to have been it my my my mom and her like best friend Lisa who have been friends

21:31 for like years they always get each other a really nice Christmas gift and I honestly I want to say like 2002 my uh Lisa got Mom and by extension like our family a year subscription to Entertainment Weekly and so like 2003 I like I was like I read an Entertainment Weekly cover to cover every week and I think that was it was like fall fall TV preview and I was like this is how I'm going to learn how to be an adult this is it honey I'm locking in I'm locked I don't [ __ ] need Disney Channel I'm watching NBC because you know what also in 2003 is that Grace Anatomy Desperate Housewives lost these are all the great okay so if that if that was the same year then yeah I think I would have been because my f like I also watched gry's

22:17 and Desperate Housewives and like lost when that first started so maybe this was like the transition what was WR with you RJ how did you not I love that she's more mad that you because if you watch this movie you're like R yes RJ Silva is the screenwriter of this movie I'm pretty sure right well that would explain why was made specifically for RJ yeah Adam how dare you Sully this movie it's written by Alison Taylor if you want my yes my pen name honey yeah exactly num Plum it's a num Plum if you scram the letters it's spell I am RJ [Laughter] Silva um Molly what's your what's your deal firstly for the record I also watched medium but I didn't ask

23:02 permission because I I didn't ask I just told I was like Mom I'm watching I'm watching medium because it was like 900 p.m. on a Monday I remember the time slot it was on I had to do this for I had to do this for Charmed and Buffy too Charmed was like was also nine and my maom had to like let me stay up my ma my ma thanks M so cute uh okay I watched this at the time although so I I enjoyed it but I also you know the feeling when you're like this has been marketed too much to me I feel too aware that you've made this because you think that I will like it because it has all of the girly things like just the existence of cheetah print as like the hook of the whole girl group is very like girls like

23:50 this right so I I watched it was sort of half enjoying it half resenting it hly because I was like at the time because I think as we're talking about our turn to adulthood as we were 11 when this movie was released um I feel like I was like I liked the songs and everything but I also was like this is a little too much sure it's it's it's it's it it is probably one of the better produced Disney Channel original movies I've ever seen you can tell they actually had budget for this one they shot in New York for some scenes which is crazy um but also it still does have that like very it's made for it's a TV movie made

24:35 for children it feels like a Fantasia like there's still parts of it I'm like this isn't like this is still kind of like a fantasy of like what kids want to like their bedrooms is what I think about like her bedroom no one has that bedroom in real life no one she had the Cheetah Girl blaz like on like a projected on her wall I think honestly too it might have been like the beginning of like the internalized misogyny that most tween girls go through being like is so girly and I don't want to be like all the other girl don't want to be like yeah sitting at home with a Dusty yeah um well that fun thrilling but you saw this like when it came out yes Premier night or just like probably

25:21 we were very in Disney Channel movies in my house we weren't going to parties I guess so we were it was appointment viewing old wow wow I only I mean even like I definitely saw a lot of Disney Channel movies but I think I think the only one I ever was like I'm watching the premiere of a Disney Channel original movie and I purposefully like made that decision was high school mus to I it's the only one I ever was like I'm gonna be awake for it because they would show them so often that you would still end up seeing them at some point if had it on yeah yeah yeah I don't know that I actually I don't remember like setting a reminder for the premiere or whatever we were but like we were genuine big Disney Channel movie reminder my phone we love John Johnny sonami I think was a

26:08 little bit that was after Cheetah Girls wasn't it no I think it waser it was one of the early ones Quint smart hallowen Town Quint Halloween Halloween Town now that's the color of friendship I think oh Color of Friendship racis Color of Friendship is genuinely a good movie I have not seen it so I can't really say that but I feel like it would probably I saw when I was little I haven't seen it recently so I can't for sure say it holds up but I feel like it they it felt like even when I was watching it as kid I was like they worked hard on this one this one feels different from the other the subject matter is definitely yeah I mean it is about them hosting like a South African kid because I think that they were too uncomfortable to like imply that American white kids could be racist so maybe that part doesn't hold

26:53 up so much but I'm sure that there's very good messages in that film the point is we were very into dcoms I feel like this was kind of also in that turn to adulthood I feel like this was kind of the last one that I really remember watching I do remember watching the first High School Musical but I watched it kind of thinking like I'm kind of excited for this but I think I'm too old for it and I have such a visceral memory of when I went to my future High School to take the entrance exam that I was waiting for the test to start and I heard two girls talking about High School Musical feeling relieved that I wasn't the only person who had watch who had seen it I didn't talk to them about it I was still too shy but I was like okay at least there's other people who are still watching us yes because there

27:40 is there's so much High School material in the like created in media but there is like a difference between High School material that is clearly marketed toward like tween and like middle schoolers of like what high school is like and then there's like high school material that's marketed toward like high schoolers and like young adults and is very different like the two tones are very different because I think technically wasn't wasn't like Lizzie MaGuire was she in middle school or was she in high school she was in Middle School sure like eth grade but definitely like Ren from Even Stevens was like in high school in high school yeah right and I think I think That's So Raven she was they were supposed to be in high school yes I think they were in high school CU we've talked about this before all children want to watch media about the next pH the next phas of life and then you become an adult and you watch

28:25 Euphoria about people in high school doing things that you've never even done yourself you didn't know what people were doing I still I still don't know what ketamine is I still do not know to this day couldn't tell you I just know that I know it's a drug I know I don't know what it does I know Zena does it I know deina dampo did it yeah they all do it I think my dcoms definitely then came after I think it was like post cheer girls maybe post he High School Musical money because I yeah so I remember post you getting C yes cuz I remember watching like kak Kelly and K Kelly was good Ed I did watch K Kelly EDD but that's like the Liz Ed million Edd's million dollar Cookoff I remember watching that one so that I don't I don't even remember that there was a movie called that you could be gas right

29:11 now but then there was like there was like the boom of dcoms when we were like kind of phasing out of them where it started to be like there was one a month like there were like CU When dcoms first started it was like once every like season there was like a new decom and then it started to be like oh these are really popular people really like them so they were just churning them out they were just shooting in Toronto all the damn time yeah are they still doing decom I guess the descendants like that The Descendants yeah that Tech Honey B oh my gosh how could I not know about my most beloved film yeah B Dre CA C musical C musicals are we rebranding maybe may maybe in the new season I'll I'll reach I'll change um

30:04 cique okay so here's my fact so uh Cheetah Girls written by Deborah Gregory um the first book comes out in 1999 the series continues through 2006 she releases I think 16 volumes total is what I counted 16 or like 18 or something like that and they're like like Magic Treehouse age or like it is it is basically a one to one of the film the first book is like exactly the plot of the film except for the ending the ending is not Toto does not there is no Toto rescue but the biggest change besides the fact that there's five members in the in the original one and there's four in the movie it's because they couldn't find a set of twins because aqua and an aqua and Angie were the two twins from Texas um but they

30:51 they didn't find twins I guess so they just made it they love Twins and young adult novels about what's that about yeah but I also feel like the F five girls is very like babysitters club energy CU there were five girls in the babysitters club too um but anyway so it takes place in New York I will say the biggest difference is there's is that the series pretty much just follows Chanel's story like it's kind of all told from her perspective not Galler um but um the movie definitely felt way more Galleria heaver but some books change narrators too sense which also was like babysitter very Game of Thrones POV chapters and yeah um so yeah so the big change was like obviously getting rid one of the members and then Galleria had kind of being like the main

31:36 character of the film that's mostly because Raven was the biggest name in this though um Chanel played by Adrian Bellon and aqua played b key Williams were both from 3lw which was a platinum selling girl group from 1999 until 2000 you remember um I'm sick and tired of your broken promises promises yeah there's that one and um players they play and yeah so actual singers in this which is very exciting uh the Cheetah Girls uh written by Allison Taylor directed by Oz Scott Stars Raven as Galleria whose nickname is Bubbles Adrien Balon who plays Chanel whose nickname is chuchi

32:22 key Williams plays Aqua who play her full name is aquanette and Sabrina Bryan plays darinda sometimes is called do so everybody has a a nickname and a full name um but look their names do they spell it Dy no that's true that's true thank you uh music is by John Van tongren I looked him up and he has like credits and stuff but I it's all just like he just does like music for movies it's not like he's not like a mus music producer or like a no like a yeah uh the producers of this film Whitney Houston heard of her Legend icon wow uh deor Martin Chase I looked up debor Martin Chase and I was like I feel like I've heard this name before yeah debor Martin

33:09 Chase from the Great Lakes from Great Lakes Illinois um here's her list of credits as a producer the preacher's wife 1996 The Princess Diaries 2001 The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants 2005 um then we have she does some American Girl movies she did Harriet in 2019 then her television credits 1997 Cinderella starring Brandy Norwood and Whitney Houston Cheetah Girls 2003 uh the cheetah girl she does all the Cheetah Girls um she ends up producing uh a documentary called Aaliyah the princess of rap or R&B I'm sorry in 2014 um she produces the show The Equalizer which is the one that um Queen La is on Cs and then in theater she produced she co-produced a strange loop on Broadway

33:54 in 2022 2022 so a hit maker a hiter maker black Excellence we love to see it a woman on the pulse she's like I know what the what the that she produced The Princess Diaries Cheetah Girls and sister of the Traveling Pants is so wild to me that is really the choke hold she had on that demographic in in a very specific period of time specific period of time yeah yeah um and then Jaclyn George was the other producer cinematography by Derek V unders Schultz editors are Terry Stokes and light it's running time is 93 minutes uh the production companies are brownhouse Productions and Martin Chase Productions it was aired on the Disney Channel on August 15 2003 it is the first of a Trilogy in

34:41 which Raven does not appear in the final film oh um the other thing is O Scott who's a director I looked him up to and he has some credits as well um but I guess he his big it said I mean this is Wikipedia something is that his big his biggest project or the thing he's most known for like artistically is a short film that aired on the Disney Channel in 1986 like back when it was like kind of edutainment programming um called Mr boogy and I guess it's on Disney plus if you want to watch it I looked up the plot it sounds really it's like a comedy about like the boogeyman but it's like it's a comedy so it looked funny you can watch on Disney plus if you want to um so it's like an all black uh the WR the author of the original book series is black um obviously a lot of the production team was black so it's it's

35:27 very I mean it's very cool that they like really tried to not just have like white people do this yeah absolutely I do think like that comes through to some extent which is nice even like this is crazy to say but at the time having two black leads in the group is like wow like this is definitely in the period of like you're allowed to have one black friend like that's it well wildly Aqua was originally supposed to be Solange noes um and she ended up passing on it because it was right around the time I guess that she uh was about to release her first solo album and so she was going to go on a tour or something AKA Matthew noes was going to force her to go on a tour at that time so um the other thing I wanted to talk about oh my God I believe this video so key Williams the music video she made years later do

36:13 you know this do you remember this it's iconic it's iconic of course I know you think I'm not in the community Adam of course I know about this you're 100 years old um we're all the same age but you're 100 key Williams um who plays Aqua in this film um she's like she's like kind of the comic relief of the film really of the four girl she's supposed to be like the funny one um she had you know like they a lot of the girls do once they finish their child career they try to like you know be like I'm an adult now and I'm talking about adult things and adult things are sex so she has a she has a song called Spectacular that we're going to listen to right now as soon as I share my screen I just I remembered in college our friend Claire kept quoting this all the time

37:00 it's so [Music] funny last night I was drunk I don't remember much but what I do comes in pictures that's how gone I was but he was tall and he was buying so I gave him a trying but he was built like a stallion and that man wasn't lying last I remember I was face down ass off clothes off broke off doed off even though I'm not sure of his name he could get it again if he wanted cuz the sex was spectacular the sex was [Music] spectacular the sex was spectacular

37:50 [Music] I can't she's bringing a really important message I have to read this this is the we are just finding out in real time folks this is caption from 2010 of this video attention I am an actress and performer I have been so since my first role in a television pilot at 5 years old I played a character when I was a cheetah girl I am playing a character in the music video for the song spectacular as I did in the Cheetah Girl movies the fact is that sometimes women get intoxicated and have unprotected sex

38:35 Molly my video puts this front issue issue front and center it is absurd to infer or suggest that I'm condoning this Behavior are Lady Gaga and Beyonce advocating murder with the telephone video you can tell this is 2010 no of course not was Rian encouraging suicide with Russian Roulette no was Madonna suggesting that young unmarried girls get pregnant with Papa Don't Preach I don't think so is Academy Award winner Mo'Nique a proponent of incest because of her portrayal of Mary in the movie Precious clearly the answer is no I wrote spectacular and made the video to bring attention to a serious women's health and safety issue don't shoot the messenger a serious serious if we ever have to explain on this [ __ ] podcast

39:22 what camp is ever again I'm reading this verbatim because Mama this is Camp [ __ ] you made a song called sex is spectacular just only you made it made it this would get you booked at Pride every year for the rest of your lifea God she should have waited like 10 more years honestly this would have killed I killed in the pandemic where we needed just something it's the fact that she's like I wrote this song to bring awareness to women's health no Diva you you had good sex and you wrote a song about it you wanted to know it was spectacular f I we C let's celebrate that Queen let's celebrate that I this is so funny the whole thing is so funny this has 2 million views on YouTube and

40:07 we got to get those views up guys we got to go stream let's go stream spectacular Byam let's chart her again the show notes for this podcast will just be a link to the show the the music video I'm going to make that happen right now resources used references so anyway that's key Williams I truly have no other information um did you find anything about like why Raven didn't do the I I guess I always just knew that there was beef with the girls but I never knew yes famously there was because they like T like they be they like recorded music as Cheetah Girls yes they were an official group under like the Disney label it was a huge thing um they recorded a few albums um most of them coincided with the release of the film so whatever but um they shot cheah

40:53 Girls 2 in uh Spain espia um and Raven has said that her experience shooting Chey Girls 2 was that it was very clickish and she felt outside of the group so she did not wish to return for Cheetah Girls 3 so in Cheetah Girls 3 they say that her character just went to college and that's that's the story now there's a very famous Instagram live yes where she is it her and key it's her and key her and key did an Instagram live together to kind of bury the hatchet um that's where you have the afterward raven like laughs while she's like making a sandwi salad or something she's eating a sandwich oh she's eating a sandwich yeah it's very funny anyway this is all meme culture all this is going over my mother's heads but um I do

41:40 know there's a lot of lore surrounding the Cheetah Girls I do know that Sabrina Bryan competed in a season of Dancing With the Stars she's in season five yes she did very she did very well I think and Adrian was I didn't realize Adrien was on the real the real for like 11 years the real yeah it was oh the like one of the view spin-off or like comp I knew that she was like a talk show person but I know that it's called okay yeah is she like an antivaxer or something though isn't she like really into natural stuff to like a degree that's maybe too much I don't know so I went am I totally slandering her now I don't know I mean usually there if there is stuff like that they'll have a controversy section on their Wikipedia page and she did not have one so I don't but I don't know for sure maybe she's clear um she is married and she Rec had

42:27 a kid I know that um she's also the oldest one of the four girls yes well they were like I think she was 20 right she was yeah the ages like 17 18 19 20 yeah between the four of them I did not we'll get but I did not realize they were supposed to be fresh there're supposed to be freshman in high school it's crazy not because I I I think they kind of plausibly are look like freshmen to some to some extent I swear Aqua had a line about NYU she does have a line about NYU but she's supposed to be the one oh she's like taking classes at NYU cuz she's so so good at math she's like a trade class at NYU cuz her two traits are Southern and and being scared of the subway yes yeah she has a lot of traits you're right she's threedimensional three

43:12 literal three traits so those are the three dimensions one requires um that's all I have the other I actually shouldn't say that because I'm about to tell you something else the woman who played um the best character in this whole thing drink a champagne drink a champagne honey drink a champagne let me tell you something about drag drink a champagne is well let me tell you about Miss drinka champagne her name is Sandra Caldwell she's a really famous actress she's been like a kind of like a day player in Hollywood for like years like she's had a very long career where she's just has like bit Parts in like different movies and shows and stuff she's like been working for a really long time in 2017 she revealed that she is a trans

43:58 woman that she had lived her life as a transom for years I am remembering this now actually yes and it's very interesting she's in a Netflix documentary called dis discourse disclosure disclosure she's in disclosure watch um and so she I read a little bit about her she she transitioned she never told anyone her friends knew yes her friends knew blah blah blah blah blah and then she did like a one woman show in like the early 2010s and she didn't talk about it and she was like I felt so upset with myself that I really didn't actually talk about my act like what actually makes me who I am and so like then revealed it and you know was celebrated and whatever but yeah and like people didn't know for years which is like fascinating it's

44:46 such a cool like these are the people that I feel like these these are the M like biopics I want to see you know what I mean like that's the person I want to see their life story not like and I want a big part of it to to be about her appearance in the Cheetah Girls but also I am interested in her full Journey as a human being I couldn't find anything about Adrien and like controversial Health claims or anything about vaccine so I'm gonna officially retract that before this episode goes out and say I don't think she has any weird health health claims okay um I feel like you might be thinking of um oh maybe I don't know Jenny McCarthy Sierra no um Sierra had the whole 5G what's her name from Full House we should definitely stop just like putting putting think might be antivaxers Candace camer Beret is like very Christian I don't know if she's an antivaxer that might be

45:32 part of her she recently made a she was mad about the satanistic the satanistic drag que the Paris Olympics and poor and and it's Nikki doll Nikki [ __ ] doll Nikki doll was on the I didn't watch the whole opening C I did see the Seline performance but I didn't watch the whole n doll yeah Nicki doll well cuz they do she's mad because they do a tableau and everyone's saying like it's um it's Last Supper but it's actually a different artwork that they're it's a Greek it's diis yeah diis the Christians are like how not knowing that there are things that aren't Christian history yeah well should we talk about the movie Yes

46:20 Disney let's watch a Disney Channel movie we watch a Disney Channel [Music] movie Let's watch a Disney Channel movie RJ as someone who is just seen this movie for the first time in fact you watched it today today I did I I watched it a couple days ago I watched it on our flight back I think this is a great flight movie to be honest I do recommend if you're on a flight it's a good it's a good time yeah RJ eager dying to hear what you think about the Cheetah Girls okay um I've said I haven't watched a lot of decom and there was going to be a moment I think like

47:06 during the pandemic when we were thinking about like should we just binge all of these decom that I've missed we didn't um we didn't because most of them are bad objectively most of them are bad I I mean I think this is the best one that I've seen out of all the dcoms My Thing with de how many have you seen how many have you seen let's let's get a baseline Halloween Town um uh uh Johnny Tsunami Johnny Tsunami is not good Xenon Xenon is not great but it's iconic Xenon oh my God Xenon ended my life at the time I me it was all I wanted to everyone wanted to be Xenon yeah yeah yeah that is blanking I think that have you seen Smart House no I have not he's never seen Smart House have you seen Brink he's never seen not I've seen I've seen I've seen High School Musical

47:53 yes I think this is better than High School Musical sorry Adam okay okay I think that's probably right to me it Feels Like These are real even though we just said like it's kind of like a Fantasia like these they're not living real lives but they feel like real people like like I really like I think Raven just has I don't know there's something about like maybe obviously not like their situations that they're in but like kind of like the way they talk especially like how um Bubbles and CH gallery and Chanel talk that there was like such a flow in like their friendship like conversation that I was like oo I don't know I feel so like I'm like right in the middle of of their friendship like I'm I feel so I think

48:38 yeah I think that the performances are good for the ages of the performers the performances I might be able to see it with I feel like the lines and the plots and the characterization are not really there for me term of real people but I think it might be the Chemistry Between the performers that you're there's like obviously like their lines are like insane but like Raven does a really good job of doing these like throwaway lines that obviously like she does well in in her sitcom that like it there was one where um she's about like her dad is about to come in with her mom to tell her that she can talk to the producer but she has like she's on the phone with with chuchi and as soon as the dad comes in he's like wait let me get your mom she's like something's about to happen let me get back to you like that like that kind of small line reading she she

49:24 has and because she'd been on camera for so long at this point because she was on The Cosby Show when she was so young she is very natural on camera in a way that can't really teach and all of her lines when she was a kid actress was just one liners it's like it's the it's the it's the Mary K and Ashley like that you just got the jokes yes because it's funny to see a little kid say these things it's precocious yeah yeah so I feel like she just has this inherent way of like just K the thing that Raven did well especially at the time that kind of like specific the way she would like say and she would like change her voice is so funny I don't know if it fits this character essentially but I do like it is just funny to watch it it's like anytime Wanda Sykes is anything she's GNA sound like Wanda Sykes but I'm like pleased cuz it's Wanda Sykes yeah yeah

50:11 you want more of it for sure I do I did feel like the pacing was like faster than usual Disney Channel decom it doesn't it doesn't really slow down it kind there's like one slow part when it's about the Foster family and that's kind of the only like drag but it does feel like now that you've said that like this is one of 16 books and like this first movie is kind of like what's it it does feel like oh I'm we're trying to get through the different chapters of a book like like it's nice that they had something to graph this on that they were like oh we don't have to come up with a whole plot ourselves yes because it did feel like there was a lot of plot for all four characters but it felt like it was moving a lot I don't know I I felt like the pace was pretty quick and I think that's what I enjoy so R.J is two thumbs up um two thumbs up but like it is

50:58 definitely a movie that I would just like like if it was on if I still had TV like live TV and if it was on plane I would just let it play two thumbs up but you're grading on a curve because it's a Disney Channel original movie yes exactly right yes got it I wouldn't you know two middle schooler thumbs up yes yeah middle school middle school size thumbs Middle School size thumbs uh yeah Molly General thoughts I liked it more on the rewatch than I was expecting to uh yeah like as a movie Whatever as a collection of songs fun yeah the songs are good songs are the songs are good like if if an actual local gr group made those songs like everyone would be like why are they not

51:44 famous this is crazy the production quality they're good songs and I think look if you're going to put the effort into one thing if you're making a teeny bot movie about a girl pop group like make it have good music and they I feel like they did the the Baseline thing that I want out of them and I do also think that actually the conflict between Galleria and her mom is like pretty interesting like I could kind of see both sides of it really in a way that I don't usually expect from a children's movie where you're like well both these characters have a point you know and I I look forward to them hashing out their differences because I can see where they're both why they both think the way that they do and that kind of thing um yeah definitely it's like as you get more peripheral to Galleria the less sort of like real human I feel like all the characters are

52:30 um but you know it felt like a real I I see how it's like based on a book like I liked the detail that I'm pretty sure that it was implying like Galleria and chui's moms were like models together and that's why they grown up together and everything right because like chuch mom had yeah they're very close and like uh chui's mom had like a picture A big picture of herself on the wall of their apartment so I assume that she was a model and like galleria's mom talks about being having been model so like you could kind of put together the context clues of that so like that sort of stuff I feel like is probably because it's in a book that stuff probably gets more fleshed out and then they can just put those little details in the movie so those things I thought were nice um but yeah like Aqua is like not really a person I barely I I wrote that sentence about her because I was like I can't just not leave her out I mean they her

53:18 biggest they don't even really give her good on liners either like if she was like funny then it would make up for it but like she's kind of yeah it's a yeah she she like does serve that role but not really that effectively the best part she has is when she's like let me tell you how it is like she's the one who gets feisty and I was like this is your this is your charactery and then darina's whole thing about like being a foster child and whatever is like so after school special after school they're doing their best and they were trying to say something important and whatever but like as an adult watching it you're like I've seen my fair share of this already yeah and also like the fact that chuchi like does not understand the concept of a foster like I guess I guess when I was like 10 or 11 I probably didn't either but like at the time like watching as adult we were like how do you not get like she

54:05 opens the door like a woman of A different race opens the door you see like six kids run up the stairs like none of these context clues are meating anything to chuchi and you're like really you don't get what's going on here girl yeah well she is supposed to be like it's I think it's insinuated that she's like the one who's like the worst at school of the yes cuz she had to go to she to go yeah Al Mrs Almanac the everybody's teacher Mrs Almanac yeah next to the next to my favorite librarian Mrs novel um so the it's funny you bring up the foster parent situation of it all because yeah um Deborah Gregory was raised in foster care until she was 18 so that it feels like that character is

54:50 based on her personal experiences now in a in a review that I'm going to reference later it they do say like in the books it's handled with more like self-empowerment out of the foster care story line whereas like this it's clearly just used for like sympathy right but it's like the first M like it's there's not a ton you can like really doish I feel like if you made the movie now the plot would be about she's in foster care and such and such a thing as a result of that or the foster care is in like it could be like oh my foster parent doesn't have like the legal right to let me like travel the country like like that would be the problem and like this big reveal of like I'm in Foster she's like yelling in an alley I'm in foster care like that part feel feels very odd to like make the whole reveal just be she's in foster care and not

55:36 like there's a specific barrier that I'm facing due to the fact that I live in especially since she's like she loves her foster family she has a it seems like they have a good relationship she likes taking care of like her siblings she she's like the the you know Mrs whatever her name was is like the only person that I've ever felt like a true parent she calls her mom they have a great relationship it seems like and everything so like it's yeah I'm sure it's I'm sure it's very difficult for children still to like tell their peers about it their aren't gonna understand and all that stuff for sure but it does feel a little bit like yeah like they make everything about the foster care situation like so lovely and then she's like so ashamed of it at the same time it's a little bit Yeah I I'm going to push back because I think

56:22 I think what she's upset about is not the foster care situation I think what it always comes back to is that her parents didn't want her and that's why she's in Fox and I think that is to purposefully set up that the Chanel and her mom situation which is like Chanel currently doesn't feel like her mom cares about her or whatever so it's like used more as like a lesson for Chanel more than anything else be be grateful for what you have I really thought that Frenchman was going to break up with Chanel I love that we never see him I'm obsessed with the fact that he is never on screen it's so funny to me um or I thought the big reveal was that he was scamming her or it was Jackson Jackal or it was Jack Jackson Jackal and a mustache mustache um let's listen to some Bobs

57:10 okay so I want to start with the first song yeah yeah which is called together we can when they did their local performance they do a little local performance like a birthday party which I think is a very funny way to set up that they're like already established um in the neighborhood in the Block in on the Block um but I'm going to say this this is the worst song of the four songs that they sing in this movie and I think it's smart to start with the worst one and just keep getting better as it progress m is shocked I think it's good okay I don't think it's bad but I think of the four songs it's not the best one the other ones are better okay crazy ride you're on your own eating right

57:56 something's got to get tonight so if you want to run run and disappear you and that can the way right out of here together we shoot the Moon stop the rain even r a hurricane if we want together we can walk in space save the human race do you think we [Music] are I don't like the lyrics Don't the lyrics are good that's my biggest complaint well this is the song that got Toto out of the manhole so you know the power the power of together we can yeah I mean adrianne's got the voice like she's Adrian's voice it's so n it's so pop vocal po but it's so

58:43 good Raven is perfectly fine I'm I think she's like a competent good singer but it's like she kind of just sounds like Raven singing yeah Adrian is like a singer it's so good that like once I was like oh she was in 3w I was like oh that makes sense they just like pulled her and then once the spot was open from Solange not doing the show they were like well let's just reach out to your bandmate that you already know K yeah so poor the other girl who I guess was like oh okay so I don't get to be in the in the Disney movie but that girl was kind of like main vocal the third girlw um it's and that girl went on to be Kam everybody vote

59:30 um um so the uh I like the scene I will say going back to the foster care scene of it all I actually was a little bit I was like I liked their performances I thought they like sold that scene I I'm I'm such a sucker for like a music swell with sympathy blah blah blah like I I am very susceptible to that so I I I ackn this this is an Adam watch it on the plane moment I was also 30,000 ft in the air the elev CH I think out of okay performance wise Sabrina Bryan was definitely the most child actor like but da da like yeah she oh I'm the shrimpy and white one like yes and she's not

1:00:16 shrimpy and white in the books by the way she is um half Japanese half uh half black in the books and I think I think ALS so the I think the writer might be I think that's also yeah I think she is too that's why I was like I think this is really based that character specifically B there is something like when I the way she styled in this movie you're like maybe she isn't white like there's something like oh she could be like mix race and so I think it's interesting that it's it ends up being a line now it makes sense that like you know the the original writer was was from the Foster system too but she's like I don't know who I am that's like the that's kind of the point like I don't know who I am because I didn't have a family I mean the funniest of that scene though is that Chi was fully like it's okay to be mixed to race honey it's 20 she thought that that was the

1:01:02 secret secret was that Mom's black yeah I really felt like it was a very like late 90s early 2000s thing to be like oh the white character is the one that's in the foster care sit like bet you weren't expecting that it's the white girl the doctor was a woman so what do you think now yeah yeah yeah I think like yeah acting wise I think I mean I I think Raven and and Adrian were my my favorite like acting performances yeah the best girl the best acting performance in this besides obviously drink a champagne is is Toto oh Toto is putting in a full performance in this there's a there's a part where Toto they like go lay down and She lays down just perfectly in the bed just so

1:01:48 they can have an excuse and not have a dog on the bed while they're filming the rest of that scene like they're like go lay down so we can get you out of the shot it's great I love it I love Toto Toto Dan during Cinderella come on I do I do like that raven like galleria's character like it was really interesting for me to I that the like turn to Diva like I guess I didn't expect that I really didn't know what like the main complication of of the whole thing is I know that like they're gonna yeah I knew that like oh they're gonna break up at some point or for some reason it didn't come to me that it would be like hubris of her I thought it was going to be like her mom really kind of like oh it's going to be Sister Act 2 it's like the mom does not want you to do the stream yes but it ended up being like she kind of like learns A Life Lesson all on her

1:02:34 own by being like yes like Greek tragedy yeah it's very interesting I honestly okay Galleria is too much but her self-possession at 14 like I also kind of admired her she like she fully was knew what to do to get this girl group going I mean like when she like did the a phone call and she was like wonderful we'll expect your call back or whatever I was like honestly like slay do it yeah walk it back when you're with your friends yeah don't treat them like trash but she had a full you don't need to hold court at school at your lunchroom table or whatever but she had a full demo she printed out she like photoshopped a full like album cover they were like annoyed that she was like I wrote the songs they were like well

1:03:21 well she did adbs and I was like okay this girl is writing the songs she's producing the mus I think that Galleria was kind of Fairly taking credit for the amount of work that she does for the group honestly but she she just was being a little obnoxious about it but like I don't know I think I think maybe she is the leader of the group when she said that she's like I'm the leader and the producer of the of the group I was like oh yeah that's clear but I gu yeah it's actually weird I think it's weird that it's set up the okay it's they do not set up until that scene with Jackal that she has been kind of like the one the one she like has this streak in her where she like her plan always has to be the one to go through it's like once he comes in and she has the line where she's like I'm the leader of the group and they cut to a shot of the three girls being like

1:04:08 yeah that I almost was like oh I feel like you should have shown something before this moment to like explain that this is like a cur like a thing constantly happening because it's our our first experience of her doing it and you all are like H and I was like oh but this is I don't know but it makes sense she has been acting like sort of in the first scene she's kind of organizing them and being like you do this and then this and like she's like talking to do about like emailing her about what they're going to wear the next day and like makes an excuse because she doesn't have a computer and stuff so like I feel

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