“The Church Is Under Attack” - Dr. Taylor Marshall EXPOSES Islam, Feminism, Porn & Cultural Collapse

0:00 And Christians are like, "Okay, we'll take that deal." But what we didn't realize is there's a new secular religion. They say they're not a religion. How do priests, pastors fight against that? It's just not enough to send in the Sunday school anymore. Why do you think Christians and and many Catholics are afraid of the religion of Islam? If you speak against it, you are racist. You are fascist. They just hit you with it every single time. You're seeing in your area, Plano, where they're building the epicenter. Our system and our constitution has left it open for them to be able to come and infiltrate if they want to. If things stay the same, we lose. The rise of Israel, Hamas, the controversy. Where are you at financially and militarily support Israel? That's a new doctrine. It was popularized in the early 1900s by the Scoffield Bible. So, this whole theology

0:47 comes from kind of a dark place. Have you been following the Rogan talking about he's going to church? Have you been? I have. There is an end to degeneracy. You can only be so gay. So many genders. So, you know, you can only be so gay. Is that what you Yeah. You know, you can only be so gay. Watch this. I can't even believe I'm showing this with Doctor. It's not even in my notes. Wow. Have you ever heard this before? I just heard this last week. I never knew about this. Rob, have you ever heard this before? The bigger and bigger life got, I realized there's no way in the world I can do anything big by myself. The number of miracles that's happened, I can't take credit for that. Did you ever think you would make it? I feel so I could taste sweet victory. I

1:34 know this life for me. Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signed right here. You are one of one. My son's driving. [Music] Dr. Taylor Marshall, how are you? I'm great. Good to be here, Pat. It's great to have you on. Y I've seen a lot of your work. Thank you. And our guys here are big fans. You know, the way you break things down and uh I really like the way you communicate. I found out a few things about you. You we are seven months apart, 6 and 1/2 months. You're older than me, just so you're the senior here. I got more gray. March 29th. Yeah. I'm October 18th. You got eight kids.

2:19 Yes. With you and your wife. Yep. Respect. You got a PhD in philosophy, right? I think from University of Dallas. That's right. And then you went from the being a priest in the Episcopal church to being a Catholic. Yeah. How did that happen? Well, you know, I was I wasn't raised in any religion. Um, I think we, you know, we celebrated Christmas and Easter, obviously, but we never went to church. I wasn't baptized. Uh, had no religious formation. And, uh, when I was a kid, my best friend told me, he's like, "Hey, just want you to know you're going to hell." And I was like, "Why am I going to hell?" And he said, "Because you're not baptized. You're not a Christian." And I was, as a kid, I didn't know what a baptism was. I didn't know any of this. But it kind of started making me think about, okay, well, who is God and

3:05 heaven and hell and all that. And, um, I was, how old were you at the time? Uh probably around like eight. So is mom and dad are they churchgoing? Are they heavenly? Not at all. It's a regular family. Yeah. I mean American family. I mean if you had asked us what are you we would have said Christian but we never went to church in any tradition. So um I was a huge Texas Ranger fan as a kid and and sometime when I was around 12 or 13 uh my dad got me all the autographs of the Texas Rangers and one of them it was Daryl Porter. He was the catcher for the Rangers. he wrote his signature and under his name he wrote Romans 10:9 and I thought oh he's he's trying to like send me a code or there's you know so somehow I found out that was a Bible verse I looked it up and it says um if you confess with your mouth Jesus

3:50 is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you'll be saved and I was like oh here's this easy way like I Daryl Porter from the Texas Rangers just told me so I I think I said my first prayer probably at that moment and then just began a journey of you know reading through the Bible several times and and uh eventually I became a Protestant minister, a Episcopalian priest and um was doing a lot of pro-life work and reading, you know, getting to know people and reading a lot of theology and and in my pro-life work, I kind of realized that when people would push back, you know, I could use philosophy or some Bible verses, but I always noticed that the Catholics were always out in front of the Planned Parenthood praying. And I got to know some Catholics and I was like, they got a catechism, they got a pope, they got encyclicals, they got all these like

4:36 extra tools. And so as I prayed about it and discerned um eventually went to Rome and I was at a mass with uh Pope Benedict and early that day I'd been able to go below the altar in St. Peter's and that's where according to tradition St. Peter's buried and uh just had this very deep conviction that this is where I need to be. Um, it kind of fits it, you know, everything that I've longed for from a child praying, trying to discover. And so, um, my wife and I converted. We had four children at the time. We have eight children now. She's a huge PBD fan. She's like, she's like a day one PBD. I've been hearing for years PBD said this, PBD said that. So, I know she listens to your show all the time, listens to mine, so we got a good matchup. Um, but yeah, we have eight children and we live in Texas and um,

5:22 good for you guys. Yeah. Eight. Eight. 10. Are you guys going to go two more double digit? I don't think we can have any more. Nature has tapped us out. Okay, I got you. Yeah. I tell my wife, I said, "Babe, one more for five, babe. One more for five." She's like, "You're not doing it. We got to get the birth rates up." Yeah. I know. Listen, we're helping out. You're at eight. I'm at four. You know, the guys that two, we got to get more. The guys that want to have the fours and the eights. But, okay. So, that's interesting the story because typically you'll hear the other way around. You don't hear, you know, uh, uh, Episcopal to Catholic. You'll hear sometimes Catholic leave to the non-denomination, whatever the non denomination would be. For you, was it how much of it was mainly when you're seeing that Catholics were showing up outside of pro-life, outside of a, you know, the the what do you call it, Planned Parenthood? How much of it was

6:09 that? How much of it was friends around you? How much of it was certain system, structure, organization that kind of fit into your personality? How much of it was uh which one of those? I'd say it's 100% theology. uh reading sacred scripture I think you know when I was a teenager and when I I didn't go to any church we didn't go to church so you know someone said well here's the Bible and I think like you know I read it through three times you know I was just an avid reader and then reading church history the church fathers you know since I didn't grow up in a tradition I was always sort of open you know what's a Methodist believe and a Lutheran and the Bible church and you know trying to figure out you know who had the right take on it because I also kind of had this feeling that or this call that I should be in ministry or a pastor. But then I was like, well, do I join the Methodists or the Baptist or

6:54 the Assembly of God? I don't I don't know. So, I was always sort of exploring it. And for me, when I started reading the early church fathers, so these are the men who took over after the apostles. I started reading them and they were, you know, they were talking about, you know, the eukarist and the body and blood and bishops and priests and deacons. And I thought, well, that hasn't been my experience. That sounds kind of Catholic. Um but as I explored that you know and and started reading the church fathers and getting into the first century, second century, 3rd century um I was moving along that way. You know the Episcopal church is already kind of you know in a way traditional with its liturgy and and you know comes from the church of England. Uh so it kind of has a Catholic ethos and a Catholic aesthetic to it. But I think

7:41 what I was missing was really the theology of it. So, I think it was it was that process and then I think the emotional part that pushed me over was realizing, you know, if we're going to be solid on thou shalt not kill and protecting the unborn and protecting the vulnerable and um the Catholics are doing a great job on that. So, that was sort of the emotional push to leave where I was at, which was very difficult. I mean, I had I'd been ordained. I was in I was in a church, a congregation, a parish. I had people. I had all this going on. And so to to walk away from that was was extremely extremely difficult for me. But you know, I say it's like the pearl of great price. I've been just so blessed um in being a Catholic and the seven sacraments and I I mean I've been

8:27 Catholic almost 20 years now and still learning more. Just in Rome a couple weeks ago, got to see the pope three times and um this time How was that? It was amazing. Yeah. I mean, the the last pope was was kind of trailing off on popularity. He wasn't doing so well. We could talk about that. Um, and I he that's Yeah, he's interesting. Uh, I wrote a a number one bestselling book called Infiltration, of which talks about him quite a bit, and I met him and gave him the book. Um, it's quite critical of Pope Francis, the previous pope. Um, but now I was amazed like the crowds in Rome are huge. I mean, he's out there in the Pope mobile and it is just packed out there. Why do you think that is? I think people, including myself, were very disappointed with the previous

9:12 pope. I think there was a lot of hurt, a lot of misunderstanding, and just to have a fresh new face uh in the white in in the Pope mobile. I think there's a lot of optimism. I mean, the juryy's still out u but I remain prayerful and op, you know, optimistic. But yeah, it was great. I mean, for me going this time, I've been about eight times and we went to the catacombs and you go down there and they say there's a 100,000 Christian martyrs buried down there. 100,000. There's 500,000 Christians. 100,000 people killed for Christ. Wow. And you just go in there and you're literally just touching their tombs. And there's full size. And then there's even like little Yeah, there it is. Yeah, we were in that one right there. And there's even little ones for children down there. And you're just thinking to

9:59 yourself, these people like their Christianity, their experience of Jesus Christ is so much more profound. Like I felt just lukewarm, weak, weak sauce Christian down there because, you know, when they're going to church on Sunday, that could be the last one. Like they could be stormed in. And that was the story of thousands of thousands of early Christians. So to be down there and to experience that, to actually touch it, uh was very humbling and uh makes me realize you this was your first time. You'd never been there before? No, I've been I've taught in Rome. I've been there a lot. No, but the 100 thousand the I've been to one of the catacombs. This was the catacombs of um St. Kixstus. One of the bigger ones. Got it. I think it's like 10 miles of catacombs all underground like an antill. Do you think it's easier to be a

10:44 Christian today or 200 years ago? 100 years ago? What do you think? I think 100 200 years ago. Why do you think the pressure on us especially young people? I think really like teenagers, 20-year-olds, the culture is so opposed to Christian faith, a Christian belief right now, wouldn't that make it harder today than 200 years ago? Oh, yeah. That's what I meant. Sorry. Oh, you meant harder today than before. Harder today. Okay. Harder today. So, so and and can you unpack that? go a little bit deeper into why you think it's harder today than 200 years ago. Yeah. I mean, we have children and you just think about if you grew up a couple hundred years ago, you were in a cohesive, if you're in the West, you're growing up in a cohesive Christian

11:29 society. Um, your school, your teachers, your friends, your family, your community, they probably all go to the same church or similar churches. And and that has a that has an effect on culture and it has effect on families. I feel now, especially with young people, we're swimming upstream. You know, they are just bombarded with Tik Tok and Instagram and social media and there are so many different viewpoints that are opposed to Christianity that are being thrown in their face. So, you know, they might be exposed to, you know, I don't know, five anti-Christian thoughts, moments, whatever a day, probably even more actually. And then how much time are we spending with our kids to teach them, to

12:16 catechize them? You know, it's just not enough to send them to Sunday school anymore. So, we're swimming upstream and and if you look at the numbers, you look at the statistics. I mean, we're moving into a post-Christian society and young adults are not identifying as much. Now, those numbers have have leveled out this year. We were seeing a lot of decline. Now, we're starting to see flatline with young adults. So that's a good sign, but it's still not great. You know, it's still not positive. It's not up into the right. How much you think uh uh propaganda has been around for a long time, right? How much of propaganda you think was more used 200 years ago, 100 years ago versus today? What's easier the usage of propaganda for and or against a church,

13:02 a religion, anything? The power of propaganda has humans haven't changed and power structures haven't changed. So I think propaganda whether you're defining it good or bad I think as a equal power. It's just that now I think we're in the minority culturally speaking. So we don't we don't have the the strength and the influence and the universal presence uh to if you want to use the word propagandize our culture, our society, our young people. Yeah. I I I I wonder I wonder if today if I'm the enemy and if I am China and I want to confuse the crap out of the kids in America, Christianity, faith, whatever maybe it's so easy to do. It's not hard to do through Tik Tok,

13:47 Instagram, all that stuff. So, I think the tools to use propaganda to confuse, to divide, to pin parents against kids, it's a lot easier to be used today. And they're so distracted. They're so distracted with the amount of distractions I have today to keep my head down and read a book versus what I There's an article that came out from Chad GBT and MIT. I don't know if you saw this or not. MIT did a study on the power of ChatGBT and what it prevents you from doing. Uh do you have that Rob? If you can pull it just came out uh three weeks ago. Yeah, right there. Chad GBT may be eroding uh critical thinking skills according to a new MIT skill a new MIT study and it says it does a few things. The findings they had is the lowest brain engagement based on this

14:34 EEG scan that they found across 32 regions of the three groups Chad GBT Google and search and no tools. The Chad GBT group showed the weakest overall brain activity which they're no longer like what do you think? What do you think? Right? they're going straight to chat GBT and they kind of explain the mental laziness uh soulless writing poor memory retention highest engagement from nonAI users so not using AI it's easier to have a conversation with them versus the guys that are just going straight on chat GBT Google outperform chat GBT loneliness correlation programmers also affected children at greatest risk because they're using it a little bit more closely comprehension failure I'm just wondering the the the enemy you have today of bringing people to the

15:21 Christian church whether it's Catholics whatever it is non-denomination the enemies today how different are those enemies than they were even 20 years ago 50 years ago 100 years ago you know St. Paul says that our enemies are not flesh and blood, but they're the evil principalities, the spirits of darkness. So, I think ultimately our enemies is something metaphysical, something prednatural. And we're in a moment where again, it's not just propaganda against us. It's actually, as the study shows, it's reducing critical thinking, which just makes people weak. It makes them, you know, they're now the prey and it's easier to get them. And it's just like working out. You know, I just saw your amazing gym in here. If you don't work out, you get flabby, you

16:07 get soft, you can't lift as much, you can't run. If you stop thinking and you actually have ch GBT doing your thinking for you, what's going to happen to your mind? It's going to become weak and then that just opens you up to propaganda of the negative sort. How do you fight? How does a church fight against that? How does how do priests, pastors fight against that? Well, I've been thinking about that a lot the last couple years. I wrote this new book, Christian Patriot, uh 12 ways to create one nation under God. And it gives 12, we have the link below for people that want to go place the order. It's going to be in the description and in the chat. Please continue. Thank you for that. Um I give 12 strategies and a lot of it has to do with understanding culture and that being a Christian is

16:52 not simply about me and Jesus, my personal relationship with Jesus. That's very important. It needs to be there. There needs to be that faith commitment. There needs to be that daily life. But we also as Christians going all the way back for 2,000 years, there has always been the element of levan within the society lifting up the society. And if you look over the last 2,000 years, where did the universities come from the church, hospitals, the Catholic church, orphanages, every sing uh human rights, right? Dignity of women, all of these things come. How how did that happen? Christians were making a positive impact on society. It wasn't just about going to church. It was about transformation of the person but transformation of the society. So there's actually a theology

17:38 of being a citizen of being a patriot. And it's not just about imposing a faith on a culture. There might be examples of that in history, but in general it was we are providing truth, light, love, redemption, salvation. that's attractive to people and then you implement that in cultural ways that make a huge impact on people. And I think really in since World War I, World War II, I talk about in the book, people have sort of bought into this false deal where after World War II, they're like, "Hey, you know, we don't want to have any more of these like strong dogmatic beliefs. Look what happened. We had World War I, World War II. You just keep your beliefs in your closet, keep them out of the public square, and then you just pray. And then

18:24 we're going to have this rational, neutral space in politics, in culture, and film and art. The Dro Wilson era. Yeah. Exactly. And and Christians are like, "Okay, we'll take that deal." But what we didn't realize is there's a new secular religion. They say they're not a religion, but they have their own dogmas. They have their own clergy. They have their own feast days. They have their own parades. They're at your library reading books. They have a huge religious apparatus and they say we're not a religion. We're not a religion but they are the new secular religion and that began to take root probably in the 50s60s and I think people of good faith Christians were like yeah I'm going to keep my Christ is important to me. Christianity is important to me. I want to be a disciple of Jesus Christ. But they kept it and they allowed the public space to be neutral. And that vacuum has

19:12 filled in with a new secular religion. And that's what we're fighting against. So we should have never taken that deal and we should have filled that vacuum or never allowed a vacuum to be created. We should have held a a Christian standard. Uh Christian excellence, virtue, ethics, natural law, all these things that we had enshrined in what we call western culture. It's really Christendom is the proper term. what we had in Christendom and we've retreated and now we're fighting a huge beast Goliath. Yeah. So, so it's interesting when you're saying we used to, you know, before we had social programs, you go to the government for a social program. Exactly. You got your social program for the from the church.

19:58 That's right. It's where you got it from. Before you needed unemployment, the church gave you the unemployment benefits, right? That's correct. Before you needed a place to stay, they got you a place to stay. Right. before you have to go through the government and taxpayers and it wasn't the taxpayers. It all of that we was based on 10%. Of some of the people that were giving willingly and some were didn't want to give and most that didn't give and you still with that 10% were able to get it to take care of your local community until this thing got bigger thinking we need more money. And what's better is Pat you could say well I have a lot of money. I was raised orphan or whatever. I want to I want to support this orphanage and it was charity. it was actual charity that you were doing it or I want to fund uh this department at the university. Wealthy, you know, Christian excellent patriarchs

20:45 were doing this for centuries and centuries. That's how all these cathedrals were built in universities and town squares and piazas and all of this be everyone loves to go to Europe because they love to see all the beautiful stuff. Yeah, that was the church that did that. And that's the way we used to think. And we have retreated. And now we have this new secular religion building ugly buildings and trying to influence our kids through Tik Tok and take over. They're doing their own evangelization. They're doing their own missionary work. And we're we're sitting here thinking, well, we can't impo I don't want to say I don't want to impose my faith on other people, so I'll just be quiet. Well, we lose that war every time. And again, I'm not talking about coercing people. you must become a Christian or you're going to prison. But we still have, it's okay for us to say, okay, well, if you're going to cite, you

21:31 know, Karl Marx and Sheay and all these guys, well, I'm gonna quote Moses. I'm going to quote Jesus Christ, St. Paul. Like, let's go. Battle of ideas. That's how we used to be. And we used to be a dominant culture. And and we haven't even talked about Islam, but that's also I think in America, it's this new secular religion. The new secular religion is way advanced in Europe. And now that vacuum is starting to be filled with Islam. Why do you think Christians and and many Catholics are afraid of the religion of Islam? Because historically it's violent. I know I'm not supposed to say that supposed to be the peaceful religion, but uh Muhammad was a warrior. You know, if you look at the first 200 years of the growth of Islam, uh it was a it was a violent movement. And so that's scary

22:18 to people, you know, and and to talk about Christians, you had Charles Martell and Charlemagne and the Battle of Leanto and Malta and all these things where Christians came together and they said, "Man, the the Turks are at the gates of Vienna. They get past Vienna, they're coming to Rome, they're coming to Paris and they got together and they went fought." That's another way of thinking. There's a chapter in the book I talk about, you know, foreign policy as Christians. Like, do we need to start thinking in terms of foreign policy based on our deepest belief? Because I'm a citizen of the United States. I'm also a Christian. I'm a Catholic. I can't separate church and state. Like, this side of me is my citizenship and this side of me is my Is that literally where you at? Because that was going to be one of my questions

23:04 for you. Is that Is that where you are? Where both go hand in hand? Yeah. There has to be an integration because look, a government, a society is a collection of people, right? And I can't I can't bracket out the most important thing to me which is Jesus Christ. I can't bracket that out of my life and be a citizen or to be a father or to be a worker. That at at is at my core of who I am. And so that is going to to direct my decisions and the way I run my businesses, my family, the HOA on and on and on, you know, just ripple it out. And when we did that, were there bad people that abused it? Yes. Were there bad kings or popes? And yes, we've seen

23:49 all that. But I would say the net benefit has been tremendously good for humanity. Yeah. I don't I don't uh uh disagree. The the the question it becomes uh to isolate this topic of Islam, right? Muslim. and you see stats on what's going on in UK, in Europe, and a lot of different places. And Rob, can you pull up the one uh chart we showed earlier today about uh who's leaving UK in different countries and where they're going to their net migration of millionaires? And this is business people that are job creators that you got to look at it and say, why are people leaving? So, here's a chart. I don't know if you've seen this or not. If you look at this and zooming all the way to the bottom, okay, millionaire migration in 2025, look at UK, they will

24:37 lose the most millionaires due to sweeping tax changes and the closure of investor visas. On top of that, what is happening over there? The migration that's coming in and then look at all the other countries you're looking at and go all the way to the top. If you go all the way to the to the top, it used to be US number one. UAE is number one ahead of us and you got a few other guys and new poll came out that CNN was showing whether it's New York Times, whether it's CBS, whether it's ABC, whether it's anybody, the number one issue for them is immigration to get it scored away in America. They're not comfortable with it. And the pattern you notice is where they come from. Because for me, it's very simple. Who moves into what city and what happens to that city? If you're Armenian, Assyrian, white,

25:22 black, Christian, Scientologist, Muslim, Pakistani, Muslim, Shia, Sunni, seek, you name it. When you move to a city or state or country, does it get better or worse? And if it gets worse, why are we debating it? Why are we sitting there apologizing and making exceptions for it? Why do you think the walking on eggshells is so strong when it comes down to the religion of Islam? two things. The new secular religion is pushing this on us as an ideology, right? If you if you speak against it, you are racist. You are fascist. They just hit you with it every single time. The second thing and and Europe is way more advanced on this trail than we are. And that is the violent nature of it. I

26:07 think there is a true fear. Europe has a longer memory than we have in the United States. We've we've never really gone saber-to- saber with the Turk and the Sariss and the Muhammadan. We've never done that. They they have. France has, Hungary has, Romania has, Greece, all those countries have a national memory of saber-to-s fight with the Muslim. And I think they're afraid. I think they don't they no longer their cup is empty. They no longer have the faith of their fathers that inspired them to go out and die outside the gates of Vienna or die outside the walls of Constantinople. They don't they they've lost the faith. And so I think when they see the violent

26:53 enemy, there's just fear. How do you change that? You have to convert people. You you have to create people who are fully in with the heart and the mind into Jesus Christ, the way, the truth, and the life. And then they they from that through a path of disciplehip, they begin to be transformed in the way they view the world. It's a world view change. It's not it's something that begins through a conversion and then it begins to pour out into the society. Well, then the the challenge isn't that we're not converting because we are converting the Christian uh world population. What is it? 2.1 billion. Two two some number like that. Muslim is what 1.4 1.5

27:39 I think it's higher now. I think they're at 18. They're catching on us. So they're going to be passing us up in no time. They're I think 2050 or 60. They're going to be hitting parody. So So you got uh population. What is the total population? Okay. Christianity is 2.3 billion. Oh shoot. Islam is 2 billion now. Uh and you got Hinduism 1.2 Buddhism. You got the rest some Judaism is 14 to 15 million. Okay. So if you look at 2.3 billion to 2 billion uh go up percentage to look at the percent. We're at 28.8. They're at 25.6. We looked at the numbers Rob on how much they've improved in the last 10, 15, 20, 30, 40, 50 years. You'll notice they went from nothing, you know, 600 million to two billion like this. More kids, all this other stuff. So then the question becomes are we

28:26 in in the insurance company we used to call something fast start. You become a new recruit we get you licensed we get you to go out there and start selling. Okay. The same recruit can be fastarted by five different people and one can be a lousy insurance agent. One can be okay. One can be good. One can be great. One is a professional. No complaints, no issues, proper business, followup right way, asking for referrals, respectful, sending letters, sending cards, treating them well, being good citizen in community where everybody trust the way you're handling them. So to me then it isn't necessarily on whether we're converting or not. Is how soft are the pastors and the priests at

29:13 church similar to your previous pope that you had where they're almost apologetic. Hey, they're allowing the transgenders to come into church and get on the pulpit. I don't know if you remember that clip. I'm like, what is he doing? What what are you doing having dinner with this is this is how it's supposed to look like now that we're supposed to be allowing the standards to be as messy. This was it. I think it was a year ago, right? A transgender woman to lunch to to have lunch with the pope. Rob, where is this, by the way? This is I think it was Italy. Uh, I'm not sure. I'll have to look. Um, you can keep playing it, Rob. Keep playing. Let me see the clip. So, I'm trying to see get to the point where uh go a little bit fast forward to see what it is. I'm sure you remember this. Yeah.

29:59 While this is happening. So then to me, what ends up happening when I see this? I see you are discipling weak disciples. You're you're discipling weak by not equipping them with the right questions, approach, fearlessness, yet humility, but humility with certainty with a certain level of confidence. We don't have that. It's sloppy conversion. It's sloppy div. And I'm not talking about everybody, by the way. I'm not sitting here saying every church does this, every priest does this, every pastor does this. So the moment there's friction, it's suck. Oh

30:44 my god, let me back down. I don't know what to do. I'm just going to go be a regular guy. I don't want to experience this ever again. Right? So, they're not being equipped well. While on the other side, religion of Islam is maybe equipping their people with a little bit more of strength, confidence, uh uh what's the word? Audacity. And we lack a little bit of audacity. We lack a little bit of that firmness to go out there. That that what would you say to this on 100%. I I wrote another book called Infiltration. It's the book most people know me from. And in that book, I give a 200-y year history. I say in the 1800s, there was and I I prove it historically, and it's in the footnotes. There was after the French Revolution, there was an intent to infiltrate the Catholic

31:29 Church and all Christians in general in order to undermine them from within. And this is what we're seeing on the screen. Um, so when I talk about the new secular religion or, you know, atheism and and transgenderism and all these things, it's not something that's just like, here we are, the Christians, here's the Catholic Church, and then here's them and let's go to war. They're actually inside with us. They have infiltrated in and they are working. And you see this in government. You see this in Trump's, right? That's how the enemy works effectively. When they w when they lose the external war, they infiltrate and have an internal war. And that's another reason I think why we are so weak. 500 years ago, Christendom was united. We had the Protestant Reformation. We've

32:15 split into 30,000 different groups. That's weakness. And then we've had an infiltration in the last couple hundred years since the French Revolution of infiltrating what Jesus calls sheeps and wolves clothing. They're amongst us. they're deceiving us. And so th this puts us in even more difficult situation, right? And then, you know, we have Pope Francis who is making all kinds of questionable statements, policy changes, etc. And a lot of this, you know, a little inside baseball in the Catholic Church, there was a council, the 21st ecumenical council was 1962 to 1965. It was called the Second Vatican Council. And the idea was, hey, humanity's changing. there's, you know, modern advances in society. We're going to the moon. JFK's president, all these

33:03 things. It's an optimistic, it's a great time. It's pre-WSTO, you know, it's great. And so, this council updated a lot of things in Catholicism. And since then, within the Catholic Church, there's sort of a bifurcated uh there's a there's a division on how to approach that. Do we want to update or do we continue with tradition? So, like I would consider myself a traditionalist. There's also the modernist and Pope Francis is certainly the modernist. He wants to uh change with the times, update things, you know, get along with everyone. That's a that's a method of caving. It is. It's a complete The backbone isn't there. It That's exactly correct. And so once you give up all your distinctives in order to meet everyone where you are, you have nothing left. How much of that has been a pattern with

33:49 because you can watch a leader and see their pattern. Like right now, Pope Leo, we can kind of go see some of the things he said in the P. He hasn't said much. He's very Yeah. Uh uh uh he's kept it very uh close uh to himself, but there's enough where he can find out when they're going through the conclave on the process of it who he is. At what point did did people know Pope Francis was was he always a little bit too liberal and forgiving and it's okay and trying to conform for everybody, allow everybody in? Was there a moment where he had a backbone where he was tough and everybody wanted this guy? I remember when he was elected and walked out on the Loia and I just had this bad feeling in my gut and I was like, "Oh, so from the beginning, this isn't good." But I as a Catholic,

34:34 you know, he he is the leader. He's the successor we believe of St. Peter. So I was like, you know what? I'm going to give him a chance. And that was in 2013. By 201617, I was thinking, this is bad. you know, on my podcast, I started being critical and a lot of Catholics came after me. How dare you say that? He's the pope and all that. And I said, well, look, we just we have over 200 previous popes. We have all these saints. We have all these dogmas and doctrine. Let's just compare what he's saying to the massive list of things we have and it doesn't match up. There's some problems here, real problems. And I caught a lot of flack on that. But I think, you know, on the other hand, my podcast blew up because I was saying things that people were thinking and struggling with, but was actually articulating them in the public. And, you know, that's one of the

35:21 hardest things I think about being a Christian, uh, particularly being a Catholic is you want to be faithful to God. You want to be faithful to Jesus Christ. But then there's also the leadership. And this is true in Protestant churches, too. There's scandals, right? There's the pedophilia abuses. There's embezzlement. I mean the cardinal, Archbishop of DC, McCarrick, Cardinal McCarrick was, you know, doing bad stuff with kids, embezzling money. Fortunately, he got thrown out towards the end of his life. But you've got real wicked people uh amongst us. And and that's I think another huge challenge. You got the enemy without, we have the enemy within. We're two We're fighting two battlefronts. Yeah. The one on the within is a tougher one. It is. uh the one on the outside it's

36:07 it's uh you can at least know you know one thing with enemies I trust my enemies sometimes more than I trust my own friends because the enemy at least wants to kill you and that's an honest relationship you know in business and capitalism I know what my enemy wants he wants me to be out of business so he can get my market share I trust my enemy because I trust what's his number one if I got a pizza shop across the street and you're here guess what you want my pizza guys to come to you. I get it. You want my best guy that makes the best pizza to come to you. I get it. I respect it what you're trying to do and I have to find a way to keep wanting to compete. But when it's on the inside and you're seeing it now, how you handle it? Okay. So, go let's go back to it specific to

36:53 Islam and Christianity today. Okay. What do you foresee happening? We know the way they're going right now, 20, 30 years in America. Um, they're going to be growing. You're seeing Mambdan in New York who is uh a radical leftist. You can call him a progressive socialist, democratic socialist. But when you use certain phrases, we know out of Karl Marx, you know, seize the means of production and capital. That's, you know, you've seen read Atlas shrug or you've read Communist Manifesto. I've read both of the books. He's a communist and you're seeing what's happened with him. Ilhan Omar, you're seeing Detroit, Dearbornne, you're seeing in your area, Collieville, when not Collieville, but Plano, where they're building the EP epic center that, you know, the governor is trying to work ahead.

37:40 Our system and our constitution has left it open for them to be able to come and infiltrate if they want to. There's nothing about our constitution that doesn't allow them to not be able to compete. And they're not going to slow down until they get what they want. That's a form of competitiveness. If I believe in what I believe in, I'm going to come and take your market share, your members, your churches. I'm going to take, you know, churches that you guys have converted into Muslims. How do you fight against that? And what do you foresee taking place in the future with this? If things stay the same, we lose. I think that's obvious. Just look at the demographics. Just look at the curves. You can go on Grock or Chad GTPD and say uh Grock draw for me a graph of of the population rates and and and pick a country and it'll draw it out and you

38:26 can see which year that is going to happen and we need to have a real come to Jesus uh meeting literally literally literally it's about interior conversion but it's also about the exter external expression and when you have abortion contraception you have feminism uh America sadly is I think last I saw It's either 1.6 or 1.7 TFR birth rate. That's horrible. We were holding strong for many years at 2.1, which is replacement. That's right. But, you know, people, you know, they get on X, they get on social media and they're complaining and the immigration and I I generally agree with them. But if we are not reproducing ourselves uh through conversions, but even just in the most basic way, which is through procreation, we are done for. We are

39:13 done. I'm I'm a cattle rancher. Yesterday I was out had a calf born and was working and working with the cattle. If my cows had a had a 1.6 TFR birth rate, I'd be out of business. I'd be depressed. What's wrong with the cows? What's in the water? What are they eating? Are they poisoned? You know, are coyotes counting them? What's going on? Why are we at 1.6 per cow? Like, that is you're out of business in one year. And yet we as a society are sitting here twiddling our thumbs. 1.6. and it's going down. And I think Muslims, I don't know what the recent is, but I think Muslims are around three. There's, it's not great, but it's definitely above replacement. Just run those numbers. Run that concept. You're done. You're going to lose. You're going

39:58 to be replaced. And so that's another it's another it's a chapter in the book in having a real conversation of what is marriage, what is family, why do we have children, what is the purpose of matrimony, how do we raise our children, and are we truly open to being above replacement levels? That that's a conversation. I don't think the Overton window has moved that far yet. But we need to get the Overton window moved. I mean, that's part of the reason why it's one of the chapters in in the book is we need to have real conversations. Thank God you have four. You're doing great. I got eight. We need people to start thinking about what is our duty to our patria. That's Latin. Our fatherland. That's why I use patriot. Patriot is a virtue of devotion to the patria. And

40:46 patria is Latin for fatherland. It has to do with honor your father and mother. What is your duty to humanity? duty to God is first. Duty to humanity is, you know, and all these young people, they don't want to get married. And there's a lot of good reasons for that. The way marriage laws and and divorce and and the way our economy is, there's a lot of reasons why people young people aren't having marriages, family, children. We need to address that. But we we really do need to have that discussion or or we're just done. Like it's over. It's extinction. Yeah. I I I I don't think u I think right now the way marriage the the package and the benefits of marriage is being sold um most people don't know how to sell it. The the way the packaging of having

41:33 kids being sold, most people don't know how to sell it. Years ago, real estate was going through a terrible time where people weren't buying homes. They were renting and everybody became minimalist and they're like, "Why would I buy a house? I'm just going to rent a house." And then they hired this uh marketing guy that came in and he says, 'Look, why do people come to America? Because the American dream, we got to tie owning a home to the American dream. So every commercial moving forward was I'm living the American dream. What is the American dream? I'm finally a homeowner. Home. Home ownership. American dream. Do you want to live the American dream, babe? Let's go buy a house. We're living the American dream. Real estate skyrocketed again. Uh, and I know this is next one is a bad example. Used to be pro-death. It wasn't

42:20 pro-choice. Proabortion. Life insurance used to be called death insurance, right? Uh, pro-choice used to be called proabortion. Elimination. Pro elimination. Now it's pro-choice. Better word. I'm open to pro-choice. I'm not open to proabortion. Right. But I'm open to pro-choice. What What do you think from your words? Why should somebody get married? I'm a single guy. I'm a playboy. I'm having a good time. I'm running around. Do I really want to be just with one girl and, you know, have to answer to my wife every pick up the phone? If you don't pick up, you got an argument. What are you doing Friday night, Saturday night? I want to go out with the boys to the club and hang out. And you want me to give all that freedom up for marriage? And you want me to be having kids? Wake me up in the middle of the night. One of the kids gets a flu,

43:06 then all the kids get flu. And it's just a matter of time on when I'm getting the flu. It could be three weeks from now, a week from now, two months from now. Saliva, I'm out of work. They're spitting on me. I'm changing their diapers. What a selling it selling. Package it better for me. So, why should a, you know, guy sitting here saying, "Dude, I just want to focus on my career." Lady, focus. I just want to focus on my career. I don't want to have kids, get married. Why should somebody get married and have kids? Well, I've heard I've heard you on the podcast talk about it. the joy, those moments with your children and watching them grow and develop. You know, we have eight children and it is it is the highlight of my life. It is truly Was it extremely difficult when we had, you know, three under four and, you know, you got diapers? Absolutely. But you

43:52 know what? So was building a business. So was writing a book. You've done all these things. You hate it. There's times you're like, "This sucks. Why am I doing this? It's not worth it." Y but then later on it's amazing. Yeah. You know, and people need to know that that is the path of parenthood and family. I is there instant gratification? No. But we need to teach people delayed gratification because I sometimes when I'm enjoying something great in my life, a success, um I think, you know, there was a past version of Taylor Marshall who made these decisions and worked really hard for those six months or those two years. And that past version of Taylor Marshall gifted this moment to me because of what I did before, you know. And you have to think about that delayed gratification. And

44:39 that is Christianity. Christianity is we are in a valley of tears. There is suffering in this life. We're all going to have problems. We're all going to die. We're all going to have suffering. We live not for the instant gratification of the drugs, the sex, the party, what all these things. We defer, we we restrain ourselves from these things because we believe in a higher good and that it will be better. That has to be taught to people. We live in a more hedonistic society. And I think what you're saying there is also we we have to sell it. You know, we have to show that it's not just the American dream. It's the human dream. e every everything every everything that's alive wants to to procreate to reproduce to to expand the good. And

45:26 maybe it's, you know, maybe people have a bad view of themselves or maybe there's some self-hatred or there's fear because their parents were divorced or things they went through from a child and like I don't want to expand that. But I think if if you have a right right relationship with God, there's healing in those things and there's a new perspective. There's a transcendent view. You know, it's not just looking around here anymore. you're starting to look up there and you're like, you know, I'm just for a moment. I'm for 80, 90 years, but something goes on. And I always tell my kids, all my kids, I'm like, look, I want you to be smarter than me. I want you to have a better marriage than mom and me. I want you to be wealthier. I want I want you to be holier. I want you to be better, smarter, everything than me. My whole goal is just to slingshot you into more excellence. And I'm sure you're the same way. No question about it. Right. Yeah.

46:12 That's an amazing thing. That's an amazing thing. I want I don't want to hold my kids back. I want them all to be when I die, hopefully better than I am along the path of what God wants for them in this world. That is the that is the ultimate project to live for. Eight kids, which number was hardest? Because when you have two, they'll tell you when you go to three, that's tough, right? Because you know the whole triangle offense or zone or whatever they talk about. What number was tougher than three? Three and four is the hardest. That's it. Well, because they're so young. they're so young and you're dealing with young kids, you know, uh as you know, as they reach 10, especially when they start reaching we we haven't had like really bad problem kids or teenagers, you know, you've got

46:58 some of the older ones and they're helping mom with dinner and you know, there's kind of a team effort that happens and I think that's another great thing for kids to be part of this large community where there's there is fighting and there is bickering and you know, he took this and he didn't do the chores and tattled telling that's all part but I think that also rounds you out and polishes off the rough edges for people and uh that's something else I think we're kind of missing uh is sort of the joy and the benefit the outcome of a large family. You'll meet all the guys all the time like I got 100 employees I got this. It's like well you know let's have let's have go from two kids to three kids. How many friends you got that that have eight kids? Same same mom and dad. Uh man I've got one of my buddies a mentor Greg. We just went to Rome

47:44 together. He's got 12. Catholic as well. Catholic guy across the street from me. Catholic. He's got eight. Same same husband and wife. Same father and mother. I'd say I'd probably know 30. You know 30. I'm Catholic. That's you. Santorm's also got eight kids. Santorum had eight kids if I'm not mistaken. Right. He something happened to one of them I believe. Yeah. There was a there was a a challenge that happened with them. How many kids did Santorum have? I think you're right. I think he has eight. Yeah, there it is. Right there. Yeah. Interesting. And that's one of the things about being Catholic is, you know, in 1968, Pope Paul the 6 came out very controversial and he said contraception is wrong. It's a sin. Now 90 something% of Catholics don't follow that teaching, but it's on the books. And when you think about it,

48:30 you know, when you think about the mystery of matrimony and you the mystery of what sex actually is, the way God designed it. Um, I think there's a lot of wisdom in what Pope Paul the 6 says in the Catholic Church. And you know, when I when people find out I have eight kids with the same woman, they're like, "Okay, are you Catholic, Mormon, or Muslim?" That I that question right there, I think, is is revealing to where we are in a society. And it is a blessing. It is the most rewarding thing I've ever done. And um I think you would agree with me that the the joy of seeing your children, succeed, even fail, learn, grow. It is

49:18 it's such a it's it's such a profound human experience. It's it pulls you out of your own egoism into the life of other people. And another thing I think it does is it bonds you to your wife because you are you have to be together. If you have one or two kids and they go off to college, yeah, I mean, you don't really, you know, maybe you do get divorced. I don't know. But when you when you're dealing with a team like that, you really learn to bond with each other. You really learn to work as a team. And just as it's kind of chiseling off the rough parts on the kids, I think it's also doing the same for the husband and wife. So interesting. I I just can you search which religion has the most kids

50:04 and and not even I don't even know if I want to go religion. Do uh do Catholics, Mormons, and Jews and Muslims specifically them. Can you go a little lower so I can see what you're typing of? There you go. Okay. Who has more kids? So interesting when you say you're Catholic. 2.9 Mormons are three. Holy moly. Mormons. Mormons. They're doing it. They're doing it right now while they're watching this. They're going to take a break right now and step away. Catholics are at two. Below replacement Jews 2.3. But is is it is it Can you put in there? Can you put in how many do traditional Catholics have? That's kind of where I'm at. That's what I am. That's like Mel Gibson, you know,

50:50 like we're like the old dinosaur Catholics. Put in how many how birth rate for traditional Catholics. Okay, there you go. 3.6 4.2. That's what we want to talk about. 3.6 to 4.2. And so when you tell me 30, dude, I don't know if I know. I would say on Sunday at mass more people are under 15 than over 15. That's amazing. It is amazing. That's a very healthy sign for for I always say if if your church isn't crying, it's dying. Like you need to hear those babies. Yeah. Makes sense. That's that's good. So so so it it so from the moment he said that contraception, what year was that? You said 1960. I mean it's it's been the first time

51:35 that any Christian said contraception okay was the Anglican Church of England 1930 Lambeath Conference. That was shocking to the world that Christians said, "Oh, you can use condoms." And they were like, "Whoa. Christians first time 1930 and and what's the name of the person that said he can use uh it was the uh a a conference of Anglican non-atholic bishops at called the Lambeath Conference I believe so the Lambeath Conference that was 1930 that was the first time any Christian had ever said you can p practice artificial contraception did it come up there it is 1930 Lambeath conference and so then when that happened there was all this confusion in Christianity can we do this or can we not do that and finally Finally, 38 years later, 1968, Pope Paul V 6 issued

52:22 a document called Humane Vite and he said, "You may not practice artificial contraception." Hugely controversial. Still controversial to this day. Still controversial till this day. Like even members say, "I don't know about this." You know, your Joe Biden Catholic crowd, they're like, "That's dumb. We're going to contracept." Right? But those who are traditional Catholics, they're like, "We're never going to use a condom. We're never going to use contraception. Let's roll the dice and see what happens." Yeah. I mean, that's in 1930. First time they say this at the Lambert conference. Question is, was he the founder of Trojan Condoms? That's kind of what I want. There's like a majority investor.

53:07 It's like an 18% owner. You're like, "Oh, now it makes sense. The guy's a billionaire." Yeah. Uh it started off with targeting Catholics first. But what was it? This is you said this was in where this was in Church of England. Church of England. Protestant Church of England. Uh Lambeath Conference was a group of their bishops and clergy. They all got together. They discussed it and they said and actually let me clarify. They they said it can only be used by married couples. They said using it outside of you shouldn't be even having sex outside of marriage. So that's off the table. They were just saying married couples can discern to use it in the Protestant Church of England. And then the Catholic Church says, "No, we're not going to allow that." Why though? Why is it to say the the act and the behavior is purely to procreate? Is that what the mindset is? It's not purely to procreate because God associated with associated with it

53:54 extreme pleasure and bonding. So it's not solely to procreate, but when you, you know, if I said, "Well, let's look at the ear." And we did an anatomical study of the ear. Oh, it's for hearing. Like we can hear things and the eyeball and the stomach and all these things. If you look at human genitalia, they're designed for procreation. So if you're going to completely remove that from the human experience, you're working against nature. And here we are pissed off people if you did that. If you remove that from the human experience, they would go protest. Yeah. They'd be very upset about that if you did that. Now in the last 5 years, it's become popular to cut your dangling off and, you know, go through the See, look where it led us. freaking Well, and also think about this, Pat. If if you remove if if a man and woman are

54:42 married and this is the inner sanctum of their marital life, right? That's the exclusive element of holy matrimony. Um, if you say, "Okay, well, we're going to remove that procreative element, uh, the distin ultimately there's the male and there's the female and they come together and have a child." If you start to remove that, you're also starting to take away the idea of what marriage is and you're also taking away the the procreative difference between man and woman. Now, just extrapolate that over time and you're going to redefine marriage altogether and you might even redefine what it is to be a man or a woman, right? You're you're kind of breaking past the the holy of holies of that veil and getting in there and changing something for the first time. And you know, even like Tucker

55:27 Carlson's been like saying, "Man, I've rethought this contraception thing." Like, "This is big." And and u uh Dr. Peterson said uh feminism is not all these women being heroic. Feminism was the invention of the birth control pill. It gives them the power to go into the workplace and prevent pregnancy for decades at a time. Without that magical power, you would not have feminism. I wonder if it's going to flip. Like even right now, the use I wonder if it's going to flip and we're going to get to a point where it's about having four, five, six, seven, eight, 10 kids. I wonder if because that's a massive flip. When you live a selfish life,

56:12 it's for temporarily it's very warm and fuzzy and by the time you find that it's not, it's kind of too late. You know, you're kind of like, ah, shoot. Like throw feminist movement. Let me tell you when it comes and then you're 66 years old. Biggest mistake of my life was joining. You know, you see that uh taking place. Hey, I'm Dr. Taylor Marshall and I run a podcast and write books on philosophy, theology, Catholicism. My wife and I have eight children. So, if you'd like to connect and ask me any questions on any of these topics or anything else, please connect with me on MCT. Have you been following the Rogan talking about he's going to church? Have you been here? I have. It's fantastic. Do you have a clip of it, Rob? I Is this him talking about it? Yes. Go for it. Wait, are you going to church, too, or is that I have been to church.

56:58 Uh, Why? Have you ever been to church before? I've been. It's actually very nice. They're all just trying to be better people. It's a good vibe. Why don't you go to a Catholic church? I did that. I did that. I went to St. Pat. Some guy gave me a rosary. I keep it. If it's not Catholic, what which one is it? It's just a Christian church. a non-denominational Christian church. Yeah. All this Joel Ostein Yeah. I'm just giving all my money to What do you think about this? I think it's great. I mean, he he has been bringing on a lot of lot more uh Christian conservative thinkers. And so I I've kind of I don't watch every single Joe Rogan show, but I've I've watched tons

57:43 of them, hundreds of them, and I've seen that trajectory. I'm not totally surprised. You've seen um you know Candace Owens became Catholic last year. Yeah, I saw that. Uh Jordan Peterson's wife became Catholic. She looks like she's on track for eight kids by the way. They just had number uh three. Yeah. No, no, no. They're four, I think. Is Oh, that new. Yeah, they're on track. They're on track. They're traditional Catholic. They're hitting those. We got to hit the pump those numbers, people. Pump the numbers. Um, you know, it could be, I think in some like Mormon circles and maybe even in some Catholic circles, it it could be a um sometimes perceived by people on the outside as a status symbol. They're like, "Oh, you're trying to flex on us because you have a Mercedes van with seven kids in it or whatever, you know?" And I don't I've never thought like,

58:30 "Oh, I want to flex on people by changing diapers for years upon years." You know what I mean? Honestly, it so many times it does happen to us now because our youngest is nine, our oldest is turning 23 when we're out like a posi, you know, so many people come up and they're just like, "This is so these all this is so beautiful. Thank you." People, especially older people, but even some younger people. I after church the other day, this couple came up to me and they're like, "We just got married last weekend." And I was like, "Congratulations. Welcome to matrimony. You know, it's going to be hard. It's going to be great." And they're like, "You have any advice?" and they're like, "We love seeing your family." And and I just gave them some advice. And so you there are these people who I think have maybe lived a degenerate lifestyle and they party party and they got out in time and they realize, you know, I

59:15 really want to live that transcendent life to get out of that degenerate lifestyle quick. You know, it's it's because it it you can prolong that for 30 years. I mean, you and I know like we had friends on you can drink and party, but once they start hitting 40, you can see it on them. Yeah. It's like, dude, relax. Like, use that, you know, aging for the right investment and it's kids. But Rogan, so you're saying the trajectory, you you've watched hundreds of episodes, you've kind of seen what where he's going. What is the trajectory that you've seen him go through because he is the he is the he is the modernday Johnny Carson, right? Where people are watching him go through it. And I I I would also put the modernday Johnny Carson with some kind of a because with Johnny was all

1:00:01 entertainment, right? Yeah. There's an element of here learning education. I I think he's a Johnny Carson, but he's also kind of a tribal leader because he has all these people in his wake. Um I I started wa I was a jiu-jitsu guy, you know, and I was watching him because of jiu-jitsu and UFC and all that. And then he started getting more into the intellectual and having professors on. I was like, "Oh, this is interesting." like a new turn for Joe Rogan. And then through kind of the Trump years, he started, you know, saying some things like that sounds kind of MAGA, Joe, like you're

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