The Failures of the Fitness Industry - Alessandra Speaks Out [Feat @primalhealthcode].

0:00 Morning. Hello ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls and super intelligent shades of the color sky blue pink or mauve. Mauve is a good color. I like mauve. Um my very special guest today is Alisandra from Primal Health Code. Did I get that right? >> Yes. >> Very, good., And, um, is, this, your, first ride on the crazy train here on the channel? I think it is. >> It, [snorts], is., That's, right., It, was very brave of you to show up, frankly. >> Yeah., So,, basically, tell us all about your social media where we can find you first up, all of that. Get that out of the way straight away and then jump into it. Tell us your story. How did you come across this crazy diet and what have you experienced and all of that?

0:46 >> So,, for, now,, I, only, have, a, small, YouTube channel and I have my Instagram at Primal Healthcode and that's just what it is. I'm just working on my website for now. So, probably will be released next year if someone is interested. I'm working on another couple of side things, but it's a secret for now. So, my story, well, I think it all started when I was around 18 years old and I started going to the gym, started getting into bodybuilding that kind of stuff. probably because I was scrolling on Instagram too much and I saw all of those fitness influencer that were shredded with abs and I had a little bit of extra fat on my midsection that I wanted to shed. So I thought

1:32 okay, let's see. I'm going to do what they're doing and it's going to work for my body, too. So I started going to the gym without a personal trainer. Initially, I was just doing random exercises, stuff like that. and I thought I was eating a little bit better, but obviously I had no idea of what a healthy diet looks like. And then after about a year, I met with this personal trainer that wanted to prepare me for a bikini competition. So that's where it all started. And so he gave me a workout program and he gave me some calories and macro to follow. So that was the start of [laughter] all of the problem that I had for the past few years. So he put me in a

2:18 calorie deficit. I was that was like a 6 months period that I was eating around 1,00 1,200 calories, 30 gram of fat which we know are essential, especially for women. >> And, I, was, getting, those, fats, probably from peanut butter and stuff like that. I was eating tons and tons of vegetables, very lean proteins like chicken breast that I hate now because it's I just like can't eat it. It's so dry. And I was overusing artificial sweeteners a lot. I was putting them everywhere. And I was also not eating enough salt because he told me, "Yeah, because salt gives you water retention and then you know you're

3:04 not going to look good on stage. And I was also doing six workouts per week, training legs, six days per week about two hours long, doing deadlift almost every day. In fact, I have a hernia now in my back cuz I injured myself. On top of that, I was doing 45 to an hour of cardio, zonu, incline walking or stairs, stuff like that. And then on top of that, I was doing 15,000 steps every day eating pretty much nothing and overtraining. So from there, I lost my period for 2 years or more. And I started developing

3:51 a lot of digestive issues, probably related to the crap food that I was eating. I was eating oatmeal, chicken breast, and artificial sweeteners, and a crazy amount of vegetables. So um, I ended up not doing my my show because COVID hit at that point. And so I decided to bulk up because in those six months, I lost weight for sure, but I also lost a lot of muscle. I lost my health, you know, my period, my hair where I was losing my hair, my nails were brittle, and I was constantly in a bad mood. I didn't have energy to do anything else other than training and also I was so passionate about the about

4:38 training going to the gym. I liked it initially and then after the six months I remember one day I was at the gym I had to do deadlift again and I literally started crying cuz I hated it so much. So it took away my passion for [clears throat], the, sport, as, well., So after that I decided to start with the calorie deficit and start to build some muscle. So I went online and look at the how how do you build muscle? And so the advice was increase your calories and ate majority of your calories from carbohydrates. Even lower your protein if you're eating too too many car too much u more carbohydrates, you know, cuz if you're bulking, you're supposed to lower your protein intake and eat more

5:23 carbs. So I was eating a ton of rice and pasta and I was counting those protein from the rice and the pasta in my protein intake. So I was really eating increasingly less quality protein and nutrition, you know, micronutrients and vitamins. And so at that point I started gaining weight and I started having digestive issues like constipation and bloating for over two years. I was very uncomfortable in my own body. So I went to the doctor to try to solve these problems and he recommended I eat higher a higher fiber diet. So that's

6:09 what I did. I started buying a lot of whole grains and all of the highest fiber foods ever that you can find. On top of that, I was taking Filillium or something like that. It's like a f fiber supplement that becomes like gel-like in your intestine. And so that made it so much worse because we can talk about it. We know that fibers don't fix constipation. They make it chronic. They make it worse. And so at some point after years of feeling very uncomfortable, not having my period, being very worried because when you don't produce enough estrogen and progesterone, you're probably going to be at risk of osteoporosis, cognitive

6:55 dysfunction, and other problems. I decided to just I read a book. I I read a book. It was Mandy Pallet, something like that. I don't know., She, was, talking, about fasting and she was talking about the low carbohydrate diet. So that's where I I switched and I stopped eating processed foods and I stopped eating artificial sweeteners. I kept some vegetables, some fruits and sourdough bread, just a little bit of that. And I I got better but not 100%. Initially, I felt better. I wasn't as as bloated anymore. I still couldn't go to the bathroom regularly but I felt so much better. I lost some

7:41 weight. I lost some inflammation. But then I kind of like I was still counting my calories though cuz you know when when you um spend so many years counting calories, you think that that's the way that's the only way to lose weight. So I, was, under, eating, still,, but, at least, I wasn't eating as many carbs and as many processed foods. So, I felt a little bit better. And then I hit a plateau. I couldn't lose that extra weight that I wanted to lose anymore. And I started feeling bad again. So, at the end months months in this diet, I was doing the animal-based diet, so with fruit and honey, and I gained weight. And I was [clears throat], like,, how, is, that possible? So then I kept reading, doing

8:27 my own researches and I came by the came by the carnivore diet and I started doing that and all of my problems solved in couple of weeks. Felt so much better and I'm probably never going back. >> Incredible., Incredible., So, with, a, story like that what does someone like you have to say to these folks, these people in this industry who have led you up so many different garden paths that it's laughable >> what, I, have, to, say, uh, a, few, bad, words probably but >> let's, hear, them., We, like, bad, words. >> [clears throat] >> I, just, think, that, they, should, be

9:13 educated about it and they should not be allowed to give advice especially to young people that don't know anything you know and destroy their health. They should not be allowed to do that cuz you know when you you can be a personal trainer you just take a couple of days curse and I did that. I mean, I had a bachelor bachelor degree in exercise physiology but to work in a gym when I was working as a personal trainer, they didn't wanted my bachelor degree. They wanted the certification from the two days stupid curse that you don't learn anything about, you know, how the body works and definitely you don't learn anything about nutrition. And then you're allowed to take a random person that you don't know and give them a

9:59 calorie meal plan, calorie based meal plan with macronutrients and give them a 30 grams a day intake of fat that it's super bad for women. Like I think that there's so much wrong in the fitness industry and everybody's going based on these people that take steroids, you know, and they think that it's sustainable and they think that they can do it that they just need to do the same workout and follow the same diet, but everybody's different. It doesn't work like that. >> Yeah., All, right., Well,, can, I, be extremely rude? How old are you now? >> Me, 26. >> Right., God,, you, don't, look, it., Goodness gracious., All right, >> last, six. >> Yeah,, it, must, be, all, that, healthy carnivore dieting that's that's aging

10:46 you, or, something., All right. >> Well,, I, definitely, have, less, of, a bloated face and less acne that I had before. >> So,, that's, always, good. >> Nice., Nice., All, right., So,, thinking, on some of these things specifically these days, how it may have changed. First of all, when you came across the carnivore diet, just out of interest, who was the first commentator on that that you came across? What was your gateway to that? >> First,, oh, my, god., Um, okay. It wasn't the carnivore diet, but the first Now you're going to kill me. It was Paul Soladadino >> which, now, I, know,, now, I, know >> about, that., I, actually, got, they, wanted to sponsor me both of his um companies

11:32 and I said no because I don't want to sustain that, you know, I don't want to take organ pills or collagen or all of the other stuff that they sell cuz you can get them through diet. Why should I supplement it? >> You're, right. >> And, I, it, was, probably, Anthony, uh, Chaffy. >> Yep. >> Or, I >> Jaffy. >> It, wasn't, you, unfortunately., I discovered you later. But I actually kid it wasn't me. >> I, learned, the, most, from, you, though, in terms of how the body works, the rend cycle, insulin resistance, calories. >> Yeah. >> Cool., Well,, you're, welcome., You're welcome., All right., So,, calories., Let's go there. Uh because obviously you know the main push other than fat avoidance which is ridiculous but the main push of

12:19 the fitness industry in terms of body composition maintenance is this is what they're always on about calories in calories out. Track your calories control your calories be in a calorie deficit all of that. Look my people have heard this a million times from me. Why don't you tell us what's wrong with this whole idea? Well, let's see if I can explain it as well as you do. We'll see. Well, first thing, what is a calorie? >> Yeah. >> And, most, people, will, not, be, able, to answer that. They just go on pretending that they know all about how the body works and it's all about calories in calories out. And then you ask them well, what is a calories? And they're like, >> oh,, well,, I, never, thought, about, that. >> So,, a, calorie, is, a, unit, of, heat, energy.

13:06 Very good. >> And, of, heat, energy,, it's, a, photon., And [clears throat], we, know, that, the, photon has zero rest mass. So how can you modify your body mass by intaking or expanding something that has zero mass like by definition you cannot modify your body mass like that. And that's the first thing. >> Yeah. Second thing they go on with the first law of thermodynamics that they probably won't be able to tell me what like which one is the law >> and, they, say, that, because, uh, calories cannot be created or distracted and must be uh energy cannot be created or

13:52 distracted and must be conserved. So therefore, if you eat uh more than you expend, you're going to gain fat or weight. And if you expend more than you eat, then you're going to lose fat or weight. The problem is that this law applies to a closed system where mass is conserved. And the human body, it's an open system because we constantly, if you think about it, when you eat food that's mass. You eat mass. And then when you go to the bathroom, you lose mass. Or as simple as when you breathe, when you breathe in, it's you intake oxygen which you can measure, you can it has a weight of mass. It's it's a a type of

14:40 mass. And then you exhale carbon dioxide, and that's mass. So you constantly are exchanges mass between your body and the environment. So the body is not a closed system. It's an open system. So you cannot by definition apply the first law of thermodynamics to your body. Another thing is that going back to the heat energy. So how do you measure calories? Because people think that when you buy food and you eat food that food contains calories. >> Mhm., But, the, way, that, you, measure calories pretty much you put a piece of food in a bomb calorie which is a sealed chamber which is filled with oxygen surrounded by water and what they do is that they incinerate the food until it's

15:26 ash and then they measure the heat energy necessary to bring the temperature of one gram of water up to one um degrees C. And that's pretty much how they calculate the supposed calories in that food. But that food creates this heat energy, these calories only when it's incinerated. And when it's ash, your the chemical bonds inside that piece of food, inside the matrix of of that um food, they don't exist anymore. So your body cannot make energy from a chemical bond that it's not existent. That's not how the body works. The the body doesn't burn the food. It extracts chemical energy

16:14 from the chemical bonds inside the macronutrients which are protein, fat and carbohydrates. So tell me how can you apply calories to a body like if if the to um to get the calories you have to burn the food first and your body doesn't burn the food. That just doesn't work. It's nonsense. >> Yep., Excellent., I, mean,, the, kind, of, the only things that I would kind of add to that at all is that a lot of people will say, well, the argument that suggests that calories are not relevant as a measurement of energy for metabolism. Those people just don't understand that mass uh is not really the issue here. The issue here is that mass is a form of

17:00 energy condensed. So, it's the same thing anyway. Um, energy exists in various different forms and it's funible meaning that one form of energy can be changed for another form of energy and that energy is conserved as you mentioned. The couple of problems with that are number one energy is not conserved. >> Exactly. >> False., Energy, is, only, conserved, to, all intents and purposes locally. In a universal sense, energy is not conserved. So the law breaks down. It's not a law. It's a law that works somewhat. Also, the idea that energy is funible one form to another is correct. Absolutely. So long as you have the kit

17:47 to do that. So absolutely you can change heat energy into mechanical energy. That's what the law of thermodynamics is about. By the way, steam using to drive pistons to drive an engine. That's turning heat into mechanical movement. So, heat energy becomes kinetic movement of different parts of a machinery. As it turns out, heat is a form of kinetic energy in the first place. Fine. The bit of kit that's required to make that happen is the steam engine. It can do that. Okay. Here's another analogy for the same thing. Um, you'll probably recognize one of these, won't you? What's that? >> Yeah. >> $20.

18:32 >> 20. >> You, know,, I'm, actually >> right., That's, $20, US. >> Yes. >> In, the, US,, were, I, in, the, US,, I'm, not. This would be worth $20. And I could use that for whatever nefarious purpose I would want to use $20 for. I'm not in the US right now. I'm in the independent sovereign nation of Pimatia, which is encircled by the communist state of New Zealand, the totalitarian state of New Zealand. The value of this here is nothing. I can't use this for anything. >> You, can't, convert, it. >> I, can, if, I, go, to, the, bank,, that's, the kit, >> right?, The, bank, is, the, kit, where, I, can convert this, right? Or the exchange or

19:18 whatever it is. Uh, I'm not going to though cuz it's just going to sit on my desk so I can use it as a prop for things, right? The same deal in the human body. We cannot capture heat energy and use that for metabolic process. Metabolic process relies entirely on chemical energy. And the kit that we have is the ability by exchanging one or two forms of mass for one or two other forms of mass in a chemical reaction that we produce a substance which has the chemical energy to drive our metabolism ATP. Cool. If we could use calories which are heat energy and not potential chemical energy then we wouldn't need the food.

20:03 We could just sit in the sun absorbing all those photons, all those >> calories. So yeah, calories nonsense. Done. I think >> I, think, that, supposedly, for, the, calorie model, carbohydrates and proteins have four calories for one gram. Yes. >> So, >> so, you're, telling, me, that, carbohydrates and proteins in the body go through the same pathway to create energy >> but, you, can't, compare, them, because, we know that yeah, we can use carbohydrates for energy, of course, but proteins have more of a functional uh structure. Um

20:49 uh they have more of a structural function. Sorry. Mhm. you know, y >> to, make, up, enzymes,, hormones,, muscle tissue, any other tissue, and they have a lot of functions which are not energy >> right?, So,, it's, just, it, doesn't, make, any sense to say that you can eat the same amount of calories from protein and from carbs and you're going to have the same exact outcome because even if we're like in an starvation >> uh, situation or we're not taking enough fat as fuel in a low carbohydrate diet, we're still going to use 10 to 20% of the protein to make energy and then we're probably

21:35 going to have serious health consequences like there's something that is called the rabbit starvation >> that, [clears throat], was, going, on, when people were only eating rabbits with are very lean. If the body can produce enough energy you will die. >> Yeah. >> So, it, doesn't, make, any, sense, to, compare carbohydrates and protein as source of four calories., Four, [clears throat], one, gram for four calories. It doesn't make any sense. >> Correct., Does, not., Brilliant., Love, it. So, it seems like it's getting through. Um, did you learn that by the way in your bachelor's degree of exercise physiology? >> No,, I, didn't, anything., Actually,, when, I was trying to bulk up, I was doing a ton

22:21 of researches in other like fitness websites where they give you the nutrition course that you can learn stuff. And I learned to eat low fat avoid saturated fats. M >> seed, oils, are, heart, healthy, and, I, should eat 60 to 70% of my calories from carbohydrates. [clears throat] >> That's, what, they, taught, me, too. >> And, that's, what, I, was, doing, and, it wasn't working. >> And, even, though, I, was, eating, less, and less and less calories, I still was I wasn't losing weight. Can you tell me why? >> I, thought, it, was, something, wrong, with me. [clears throat] >> Exactly., Exactly., What's, wrong, is, the information that is being provided to you which is based in theology bought

23:08 and paid for theology bought and paid for with this stuff you know um propaganda smok and mirrors look over there shiny thing but anything but actual scientific rigor facts common sense any of that kind of stuff. All right. So, along those lines, facts and figures and common sense and whatever else, another one, you've mentioned it that that really um fascinates me is this idea that a lot of people, including people with exercise physiology degrees, will tell you that moderate intensity aerobic style endurance style training is a great idea and you should do a lot of it. What do you think of that?

23:55 I think that doing so much cardio made me lose muscle feel terrible uh made my metabolism dropped, like met my metabolic rate and tons of other consequences. >> Did, it, affect, your, hunger? I mean, at that point, I was hungry 24/7. >> I, was, just, in, pain., I, remember, I, was literally waking up every single night around 4 to 5 and I was so hungry, so hungry. I couldn't fall asleep and I was just like sleepd deprived at that point. But I just pushed through because I

24:40 wanted to get ready for that competition. It was more like a mental thing but honestly, not worth it. Yeah. So >> yeah,, I, don't, think >> Go, on. >> I, just, don't, think, that, cardio, it's, a good tool for fat loss >> because, cardio, doesn't, influence, the hormonal system., [clears throat], And, we, know, that if you want to mobilize fat, you need to have a situation where your insulin and your blood sugars are low. Otherwise even if you eat in a calorie deficit and even if you go and do your 45 minutes of cardio, if the rest of your day you're living in a high insulin state, you're not going to lose weight. Fat, sorry.

25:27 You're not going to lose fat. >> Very, good., Absolutely, true., Yep. this um known phenomena where an athlete with some muscle mass or a person with some muscle mass who starts doing a bunch of cardio that they weren't doing suddenly finds that their muscle mass starts decreasing. Why is that? I I mean I know why. I'm just going to see throw you on the spot and see if you've got >> if, I, if, I, can, answer, this., in, my, opinion is because when we're in a situation of chronic exercising, chronic cardio and low recovery, your cortisol hormone will [clears throat], be, elevated, more, than, it should. And so in that period of time

26:12 gluconogenesis, it's activated. And when you're done with your glycogen stores, you know, um, wait, [laughter] you're you're just going to tap into your amino acids in your muscle for energy. So, you're going to just utilize your muscle for energy constantly. >> Okay., Good, thought. >> That's, what, I, think., All, right. >> That's, one, of, the, things. >> Yep., Absolutely., That's, a, good, thought. Um, the one I tend to go to, the the one I use mostly is this. When you did your bachelor's degree in exercise I bet you anything you like, they taught you, you have three muscle fiber types. >> Yeah.

26:58 >> Right., So,, that's, they, call, them, type one. >> Mhm. >> Type, 2, A, and, type, 2X, or, 2B. Type one is so-called aerobic fibers that use mostly oxygen and aren't so good at using glycogen and they're quite small in terms of their diameter and they're not very powerful but they last a lot longer. They've got more endurance. And then the type two fiber is kind of in the middle and the type 2A or 2X fiber is a much larger fiber in its diameter. It uses much more glycogen, much less um fat and and oxidative process relatively. It's much more powerful produces much more force, but fatigues

27:44 much more quickly. >> Mhm. >> That'll, be, what, they, taught, you, cuz, they tried to teach me that, too. >> Here's, the, problem, with, it. >> It's >> You, don't, have, three, muscle, fiber, types. You have a continuum of muscle fiber morphology that starts at one end, ends at the other end. You have a mixture of morphologies of different muscles as per different muscles in the body and as per genetic makeup etc. And these muscle morphologies are trainable. So the fibers in the middle >> if, you, do, a, bunch, of, aerobic, stuff, guess what happens? you're training that type of >> those, fibers, become, smaller,, more oxidative, less glycolytic, more endurance trained, and less able to produce force.

28:30 Or if you do a lot of highintensity training, the muscle fibers in the middle go the other way. They become larger, more glycolytic, less oxidative more powerful, but less endurance ability. >> Yeah,, I, didn't, know, that. >> You, train, a, lot. See another I was taught that was wrong and I didn't research about that and now I know. >> There, you, go., Uh, to, give, an, example, of this um take two BS who both have the same sort of geographical genetic background a bit. Not exactly the same but the same sort of thing. They're both black men is what I'm saying. Um let's say Usain Bolt and Muhammad Farah. If we compare those two individuals now, genetically, all human beings, no

29:16 matter if your skin color, actually are very, very similar genetically. >> Yeah. >> And, yet,, you, look, at, Mo, Farah, and, he's as skinny as a rake a tiny little man in terms of muscle mass, but he's one of the greatest distance runners that the world has ever seen. Or you look at Usain Bolt who is probably the greatest sprinter that the world has ever seen over 100 meters and probably 200 completely different morphology. Now you could say well they selected their sport on the basis of their genetic potential perhaps to some degree but if you took those two gentlemen and trained crossrained them they would come

30:02 towards each other in terms of muscle mass because their muscle morphologies would change to suit their training. >> Sure., Um,, so, that's, why, if, you, do, a bunch of aerobic stuff and you have done some resistance training, that aerobic stuff, that endurance based stuff is actually antagonistic and and not helpful to your muscular development if that's what you're looking for. >> Mhm. >> Well,, now, I'm, doing, sprints,, which, are so much better. >> Yep. >> And, I, hate, doing, cardio. >> Yep. >> I'm, walking., Walking, outside, is, nice. >> Yeah. >> Very, low, intensity, fine,, too., There's, no problem with doing just walking. That's not going to cause a huge >> just, correct, what, I, said, about, cortisol before. [clears throat] >> Is, that

30:49 also does it influence muscle mass? >> Absolutely., Cortisol, absolutely, can, if it's at a high enough level and it's chronic. Absolutely. That can cause the mobilization of some of your stored we'll call them stored amino acids in your body structures. You bet it can happen. It's not necessarily a fatal comp play. It won't definitely happen anymore than anything else will definitely happen. And so it's an absolutely valid idea. You bet. >> Okay., But, yeah,, the, fiber, one,, it, makes much more sense. >> Anyway,, that's, that's, where, I've, got, to with that. The other reasons to avoid cardio in my mind are that it does tend to increase your hunger

31:35 signaling >> for, sure., It, does, tend, to, make, you, eat more that you don't need because you know, that's the way it is with that kind of exercise. Um, they do tell you to eat a whole bunch of carbohydrates cuz you need carbohydrates to fuel your exercise. They tell you, which is absolute nonsense. Even if >> are, you, not, having, your, preworkout, meal, your postwork? >> No,, I, don't, believe, in, any., No,, I, don't I don't buy into any of that at all. Not Not whatsoever. >> I, was, at, the, time., Oh, my, goodness., My breakfast was a bowl of oatmeal. >> Yeah., with, peanut, butter, and, a, whole banana. And then 1 hour after that right before the gym, I was eating like a crisp rice krispie treat. >> And, after, the, gym,, I, was, eating, fruit, >> right?, Wow., Fruit,, you, know,

32:23 fructose. People that don't understand this should probably go and have a look at the conccommittent necessary effect of fructose on hpatic ATP concentration. That'll be of interest, I think. Basically, what happens is you eat fructose and that drags the concentration of ATP in your liver cells down. >> Mhm. >> And, then, that, sends, a, message, to, make you hungry. >> Yeah., I, never, feel, full, if, I, eat, fruit. Like I I remember if you put like a bowl of cherries in front of somebody, they can eat the whole thing. >> That's, it. >> It's, nothing, to, do, with, what, your, body needs. Because >> it, keeps, causing, the, hunger, hunger

33:09 signal to just keep happening and happening and happening and happening because the fructose the more fructose you pour in as it pulls and goes through that pathway that where it's metabolized that's dragging that ATP concentration down and then your liver sends a message out to the rest of your system telling you that you're hungry. That's why bears that eat berries for a couple of weeks before the just before the winter to put on fat. That's why that happens. It's a natural design. Fruit is and and you know, especially fructosey things are designed absolutely to cause you to gain fat if you eat enough of it. >> Mhm. >> Um, and, then, you, know, the, the, way, that

33:55 that's counteracted is they tell you to do more exercise which makes you hungry. It's >> true. >> And, you, better, eat, carbs, though, because you need the carbs to to fuel the exercise they tell you. Even though you don't need that. >> Yeah., And, people, on, the, animal, based community think that honey is so much better than sugar. >> Why, why, would, the, why, would, it, be? >> Why? >> Yeah., Exactly. >> The, [clears throat], fructose concentration in honey it's even higher than table sugar, right? >> Yep., Depending, on, the, honey, at, source and where it comes from, etc. It absolutely can be. Yes. I mean, it might have some more enzymes or vitamins or minerals and whatever but I mean, the systemic consequence when you eat that much carbohydrates, we

34:41 know what it is. >> Yeah,, you, bet. >> You're, going, to, you're, going, to, gain fat. You're going to have oxidative stress or inflammation or whatever depending on how much >> you, eat,, of, course. >> Exactly. >> And, if, we, eat, a, lot, of, fat, together, then we go into another discussion. >> Cool., All right., So,, are, you, still, doing any kind of physique competing of any kind or have you given that away? >> That, was, it, for, me. >> I, realized, it, wasn't, I, was, also, so embarrassed to like, you know [clears throat], just, walking, half, naked in front of everybody. It's not really my thing >> right?, Yeah., I, do, wonder, about, folks that that gravitate to those kind of what are ostensibly you know, entirely events based on how

35:26 somebody looks. Yeah. And you can say you're literally judged on your look. >> Yeah. >> And, they're, trying, to, get, If, you, go, and look at the Olympia competitions, it's so unhealthy. >> I, mean,, obviously, they're, on, steroids, but the amount of leanness that they want, especially for women >> you, can't, sustain, that., You're, going, to have hormonal problems is super unhealthy. >> Yeah., Female, athletes. >> I, love, going, to, the, gym., I, still, I, still go to the gym and train. Do my resistant training. It's super good for you. >> Yeah. >> Do, some, sprintings, and, I, walk., I, walk outside. It's good for your mental health. It's good for your body. >> Awesome., Awesome., And, it, it, sounds, like you're doing some consultancy work with folks that need better advice than what

36:11 they've been given from others. >> Not, yet., Not, yet. >> Just, building, my,, you, know,, my, persona and >> probably, next, year. >> I'm, also, still, studying., Well,, I, would suggest that once folks have had a look at your um what you've said today in this discussion, they'll probably come racing over to your channels to subscribe and you'll have a huge influx of subs and suddenly you won't have a small YouTube channel anymore. I would suggest >> so, you, know, our, video, only, got, 22, views. >> Oh,, did, [laughter], it when we did it on your channel? Oh >> sorry., because, you, said, a, lot, of, good things. So maybe one day more people will see. >> Although, I, did, see, that, you, were, racking

36:57 up the crowd there by using some shorts out of there just to annoy people that think calories in, calories out is a good idea and all of that. That's always good. >> Just, look, at, the, comments. >> All, right,, so, there, there, you, have it, my meat militia. Basically, um obviously obviously you need to go and subscribe over there to give us the name of your channel again. The Primal >> Primal, Health, Code., Primal, Health, Code. All one word I presume. At the Primal Health Code. Yeah >> there, it, is., And, uh, sub, over, there. Support. Make comments under the videos. Like the videos. Share them on your social media. Visit. Basically all the things that help the algorithm. Pick this material up. And suddenly YouTube goes,, "Ah,, all right., There's, some interest here. Let's push it out to a

37:42 wider audience and then we can drag in people who don't even know who I am. That'll be awesome." Um cuz that's far too many people that don't know who I am as well. >> Yeah,, I, think, you, should, have, far, more people following you cuz like you're one of the only ones that actually goes and teaches the bio chemistry and biology anatomy, all of that. >> Yeah. >> It's, usually, like,, you, know,, even, if, you go on other YouTube channels that have millions of subscribers, they're very vague with with their explanation especially around insulin resistance. That's what I saw >> and, cow. >> Yeah., All, of, those, things. >> Brilliant., Yes., I, mean,, the, reason obviously I'm not more popular is um because of a partly because of my presentation style which is abrasive and

38:27 some people many people find that untenable whatever. Um but mostly mostly actually it's not that at all. Mostly it's because the algorithm does not promote me because I've had the timmerity in the past to say about a not accepted narrative, you see. And so there's this um this ongoing downregulation of my visibility sadly. Um all things I'm working on in whichever way I can and talking to all the right people about doing something about if I possibly can, etc. including having a bunch of other YouTube channels that you all you you guys also don't watch for some reason. What's wrong with you? My channels are great. I've got one where it's all collar and tie, all suit and that. No calling anybody any short

39:14 words or anything like that. Just the facts. It's got about 7,000 subs and nobody watches it. So, I don't post any videos there anymore. Uh maybe if you all went and subbed to that and started watching all those videos again, I might start posting on that channel again. and put the colorant tie on and stop saying naughty words. Maybe if you like that. [snorts] I've got another channel where I talk about how the earth is not flat. >> What, do, you, say? >> I've, got, another, channel, where, I, talk about how the earth is not flat. >> Oh, my, god. >> I, can't, believe, anybody, really, believes that it's flat. It's unbelievable. It's just incredible. Um yeah, so and a bunch of other channels that, you know, just don't get any air time or whatever. So it's a hard road being a a social media influencer. I I think that

40:01 um we could all do a lot more than we do, including me. I'm not just pointing the finger at the you dear viewers. I'm just I'm saying all of us could do more to support each other in a way that is likely to promote um some action. So that's those are your missions. Meet Militia. Go and subscribe to the Primal Health Code. >> Yes. >> Immediately., Yes., And, maybe, that, name >> uh, shorter, maybe, don't, change, it, now because we're promoting it as that. So yeah, good stuff. All right, look as usual for the second time that you and I have chatted. It's been an absolute pleasure. Um you're a complete delight and you know really very knowledgeable clearly about what you're talking about.

40:46 Uh and so it's very heartening that young people like yourself, here's me calling you a young person. It's only cuz I'm twice your age. Um but it's very heartening that there is hope coming through in the next generations of folks that are um are prepared to stick their head up above the parapit and say hey listen everything that you've been told is absolute nonsense and we need to do >> I, feel, like, being, young, [clears throat] doesn't give me enough credibility >> because, people, around, me, don't, just, they just don't believe me >> they, go, on, and, GPT, says, something, else and they're like you see this says they read me is bad for you. >> And, I'm, like, trying, to, explain, them, how it's not bad for you and how it doesn't cause heart disease >> from,, you, know.

41:32 >> Yeah,, exactly., What, you'll, find, when, you get to my age, um, which is more than twice your current age, by the way. Uh what you'll find is a lot of people still won't believe you if you're still saying the same things. I don't think it's about age. um you know it it's about this very very strong um process of indoctrination of brainwashing of people from a very very young age with disinformation from the very beginning. Um it's a very very hard road to reprogram folks. So we are very grateful that there are a number of you who follow me who have been unbrainwashed. That's awesome. It's also very very

42:18 gratifying that some of the very big influences out there in the carnivore space are saying the same things that I'm saying mostly because they're actually asking me in the background hey, how do I explain this? Is this scientifically correct and valid and whatever else and some of those people are even giving me some credit for that. Some of them are not. Kenberry [snorts] I just thought I'd throw that out there. Um, there it is. Look, it's been a pleasure. Um, we'd love to have you on the channel again. Perhaps here's something for you. On a Saturday night, US time or Saturday afternoon Sunday morning, our time, there is a weekly live stream question and answer session, which you're more than qualified for. If you're of, you know if you're of a mind sometime, I'll have

43:04 my people email your people. These are my people. These are my people here. I'll have this guy email you in the background. And >> how, old, is, that, one? >> This, one?, He's, slightly, older, than, I, am. >> Oh, my, goodness. >> He, was, gifted, to, me, by, a, now, late, aunt at my birth. >> You, know,, it's, a, little, spooky, though. >> He's, supposed, to, be >> with, the, eye, there. >> You, don't, [clears throat], cross, Ted. You know, you don't do that. But anyway Ted will send you an email and we'll see if you're keen to come on again and do questions and answers live. >> That'd, be, great. >> That', be, awesome., There, you, go., There you go. She said it's going to be great folks. That's almost >> as if, they, ask, me, something, that, I, don't know, then I'm just going to hide. >> Well,, here's, what, I, do, when, people, ask me something I don't know, cuz there are things I don't know. Here's what I do. I

43:50 say, "I don't know." >> Isn't, that, great, how, that, works? >> Yeah., Or,, "I'm, not, sure,, but, here's, what I think might be the case." That's also perfectly acceptable. The main thing is not to make some up that you don't know, like a lot of people do. I'm not saying you do at all. Well, kind of with the cortisol thing. >> Not, really., It, was, a, perfectly, good, idea and I think I think that it's, you know it's part of it potentially. >> I'm, just, not, great, at, explaining, myself cuz that's not my my first [clears throat], language., So,, I'm, just trying. >> Yeah., Two, very, impressive, people, that can speak more than one language fluently, or, at least, fluently, enough, to hold a conversation. Um, I can speak three or four languages, but only enough to be grievously insulting. I what I do is I learn all the the

44:35 >> you, know, most, offensive, things, to, say >> and, then, that's, enough., Yeah, [clears throat] >> whatever., All, right., Look,, it's, been, a pleasure. Um do come back again. Do come on the live stream Q&A. That'll be awesome. Um if you'd like to see that boys and girls, my followers, ladies and gentlemen, you know what to do. Comment down there. Yes. Yes. Have her back. Drag her back by the hair if you have to. or something. I don't know. And um we'll make it happen probably in the background or Ted will because nobody nobody refuses Ted. Trust me. >> No,, I, we, love, Todd. >> Awesome., All, right. >> Thank, you, for, having, me. >> Not, at, all., Thanks, for, being, here., See you all later, boys and girls. Be good. Don't do anything I would. Trust me on

45:22 that. Byebye. >> See, you.