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1:59 -The second part! -Yes, the second part! -In the second part we want to play with your brain and conclude things from it... -But in Arabic! -Yes! -Foreigners benefit from you a lot and we have to do so... and all the Arab audience have to benefit from you! -By the way Anas, you started that topic! when we made our first interview... you were the reason that made me focus more on Arabic language... because before that, there weren't... the scene of Arabic podcasts was not big... -True! -So, you are the reason for that! I don't know if we should blame you or thank you! -You know, Mohamed, the reason why... Arabic content is so important for me... because of... awareness, general culture and podcast...
2:47 we can say that the west started long before us... -we have just talked about Joe... -10 years maybe! -They started long before us! So, we are from Arab countries and I think that... we owe to the Arabs... that... if Allah gave us some information... in a specific field... we will introduce these information to our Arab audience... and the west audience have this already! we don't fall short in doing this in Arabic and English! We will ask you first the important question... How are you, Mohamed, honestly? -I'm fine, thank God! I have just said to your crew... our last interview was year and a half ago? I grew old in the last year! It's a strange thing! you didn't experience that yet.
3:36 There comes a time for you... if you neglected your physical health during getting old... your body will remind you! So, since five or six months... with a lot of travelling because of my work on the documentary... ... I have now back pain... and pain in my knuckles... I experienced everything... and a month ago, I got back to the gym! And now, everything is okay! -Amazing! -Everything is okay, thank God! this is an important thing and the... movement is the main thing for human bodies... thank God, I'm fine! I travel a lot... and also I work a lot... but thank God, there is a progress in the message...
4:24 that I'm trying to deliver to the world and... thank God for that! -There are a lot of messages that we are trying to deliver this year I think... and one of the messages is Artificial Intelligence... so the first question is... we want to simplify this for everyone! for me and for everyone... because we aren't deeply involved in this aspect... What is the meaning of Artificial Intelligence? -This is the most important question ever! I give lectures... to CEOS of the companies of "Fortune 500". The word "AI" is written everywhere in the company... ...وفي التقرير السنوي and everything! and they don't know the meaning of AI! the thing is that...
5:09 our computers... until 2000... they seemed so intelligent! they used to do miraculous things! So, what led to the apperance of AI after 2000... what is the difference between now and before? If you want me to simplify it too much... let's start with the meaning of intelligence. If I have a one and a half year old baby... or two years old... and I gave him a puzzle... -Yes, like a puzzle! -Yes, it's... Do you remember when we used to give children a plank of wood... and it has different holes with different shapes... and giving him a cylinder... -the child then starts to try out... -True!
5:55 -to know... this cylinder corresponds to which shape... which is the circle shape. No father or a mother should help the child and tell him... to turn the cylinder upside down and look at its shape... and look for something similar to this shape and put it into it... by doing this... you are programming the child on the solution... and you aren't teaching him the intelligence that can make him find the solution... okay. Parents always let the child try out... he tries to put it in a square shape and it doesn't work... and tries to put it in a triangle shape and it doesn't work... and then... by chance in the last time... it enters the circle shape... and they learn...
6:41 in their mind that the cylinder corresponds to the circle shape... When you look at the development of the child's intelligence after that... he finds what it is correspondent to the triangle shape a little faster... and finds what is correspondent to the square shape a little faster... because he started to develope his intelligence! The traditional programming or we can say... the traditional computer or traditional programming... until 2000... we used to program the computer... exactly like the father who tells the child what should do! Okay... we used to solve the problem with our thinking... and tell the computer to do what we want literally! and not changing anything we told it to do. That means, because the computer...
7:30 does its job very quickly and accurately... on a big scale... so the computer can do that and seems very intelligent... but the intelligent one in this case is the programmer not the computer! The programmer is the one who solved the problem and taught the computer how to solve it... in this case, the computer is like a slave to the programmer! But in 2000... I will say 2000 but... give me some range because there are some programs... a lot of experiments happened in the early 2000s... and specific things succeed more than the others... but in 2007 we made an amazing success... but in the early 2000s... we started doing that with computers! Instead of telling it the way of solving problems,
8:16 we tell it to try! And find the solution! Okay. And I remember in 2008... I was still working at Google back then... and we did a research... it exists online and it's name is "بحث القطة". Which means "The Cat Paper". -"قطة" in Egyptian dialect. -Yes, "قطوة". ... What is it about? we used a big number of computers... and ordered them to watch youtube... we didn't tell them what they should look for... and we didn't tell them the purpose of this experiment... but ordered them only to watch youtube. So the computer divided the youtube video to... ...عشرة إطارات لكل ثانية ten frames per minute... sorry, per second...
9:01 looking at these frames and comparing them... okay. And in Google, as a result of designing Google's network... for maximum usage... so at midnight... you would find that a lot of computers wheren't working! So when we reach midnight every time... the computer starts to watch youtube... after a while... I'm trying to explain that... ...مجازياً it didn't happen like that exactly... but this is what it looks like from the outside... one of them raised its hand and said that it found something! We had to write an additional code, because we didn't imagine that it will find something... we started to write an additional code and see what it found... it showed us a cat image!
9:48 !حسناً But keep in mind that it didn't find an image of one cat... but it found an image... if you looked at it in the "Cat Paper"... it includes all cats in the world! It's so strange! It looked very strange! Because it showed the cat's fur, its movement and its features. but it wasn't a specific cat! It was a combination of all cats on youtube together! Okay. keep in mind that this is a very important definition of intelligence! That... if I told you now to put a camera on your car... and bring a child with you. Okay. After the journey ends, the camera records it... And you can for example replay the footage starting from the min 26... but the camera doesn't understand anything from what have been recorded...
10:34 if you brought a child with you... and he got out of the car... he will point to the car and says that's a car... and when he looks at the car next to it and it's bigger than the first one... and it's type, brand and color are different... he will say "This is also a car". He understands... ...الجوهر the essence of what makes a car a car... not only that, he can go home and hold a paper... and use colors... and draw a car! بشكل إبداعي that didn't exist before! When we use that technique and ordered computers to watch youtube... we asked them about what else did they find? In a few weeks, they found everything on YouTube! Every car, every person, every written word,
11:20 and every building... they understood everything everywhere! Okay. Since then... this device doesn't only... keep videos and play them... but it understands what is happening in these videos! this is AI! AI means... that the computer didn't only learn the knowledge we have... but it understood the essence of this knowledge... and shows it in a way that hasn't been written before! And which is more important, it can develope it... just like the child who can draw a car that doesn't exist... so it can develope that and introduce new knowledge! okay. This happened nearly in 2008 or 2009...
12:07 majority of people don't know anything about that at all! When we were in 2007 and 2008... back then... we started to create self-driving cars... you know that Google has cars that can drive itself... now a lot of cars can do that... but back then we had a self-driving car... by AI! Because when we started to think that... the car can know the essence of... accidents, safety, roads and laws... we didn't teach it the laws... we only make it drive itself on roads... and when it makes a mistake... someone intervenes... and AI knows it's a mistake... okay. 2016 in my opinion...
12:53 was the year that most people... didn't notice it's importance, although, it's the most important year in history in my opinion! -In history! -Yes, in the history of humanity! Because 3 or 4 things happened in 2016... in my opinion as a developer, they... changed the history of AI... and therefore, the history of humanity! the first thing was... "AlphaGo". People don't know about "AlphaGo"... "Go" is a game that is played in Korea, china and japan... you know that they have a high level of mathematical intelligence... in mathematics... so they used to play a game called "Go"... it looks like "Tic-tac-toc"... but with a big number of pieces...
13:40 so it's impossible to be programmed in a computer! Because if you want to program it in a computer, the number of... permutations and combinations... that the computer must evaluate in every move... is way larger than the computer's capacity! This game... the world champion of this game was from Korea and his names is "Lee Cidol".... and... "AlphaGo"... was made in Google by a team work called "Deep Mind"... "Deep Mind" programmed... using AI, made it watch... people play the game "Go"... on YouTube... and they told the AI the rules of the game.
14:25 After that, they spent two years and a half making the device try all of that... and then, they played against... the champion of Europe... they won with a score of 3-2... ... two months and a half later... they played against the world champion... with some improvements... -The AI was playing? -Yes, the AI played against "Lee Cidol" and he was the world champion back then... and people thought that "Lee Cidol" will win! He remained the world champion in this game for ten years! ... Two things happened... in this game. The first thing was that... "AlphaGo" won with a score of 4-1... okay. The second thing... most of the people who understand AI...
15:13 mention it as one of the most important... phases of human history! ...اسمها الحركة 37 "Move 37". "Move 37" means that... the AI made a move in one of the games... move 37... ... all experts of "Go" in the world... looked at it and said that there must be a mistake! That's a terrible stupidity! It must have done something wrong! "Lee Cidol" himself started to think about that... and he didn't suppose that there is a mistake and he tried to understand... why the device is doing that! He took a break, smoked a cigarette and started to think... ten minutes later...
15:59 he lost the game! Okay. It was the first time in our lives to see that the AI uses a strategy... No any human used it before... okay. ...بفطرة by an intuition! Okay. For me that was... a turning point in history that people should have noticed! After that... the AI that won against the champion of Europe called "AlphaGo"... and what won against "lee Cidol" called "AlphaGo master". It took two months to be improved more than "AlphaGo"... at the same time... we were creating something called "AlphaGo Zero" in Google... a new version of AI... that have never seen a human plays before! okay. In this version... we brought...
16:45 we used two artificial intelligences and made them play against each other... we taught them the rules of the game... and we made them play. Okay. In three days... "AlphaGo Zero" defeated "AlphaGo"! the champion of Europe! Okay. In 21 days... it defeated "AlphaGo Master" the champion of the world... !بنتيجة ألف-صفر 1000-0! Okay. In 21 days! That was another turning point in history! Because people don't understand something strange about AI! That me and you as humans... with the speed of our minds... for example, I wrote a book called... "Scary Smart" and it was the first book I wrote about AI! It took me five months to write it... and five years of researching...
17:30 and if I want to explain it to you, I will spend five hours doing that! Okay. AI reads it... in 0.5 second! Okay. And if it wants to teach that to all artificial intelligences around the world... it will teach them that in the same second! Okay. When we break the intelligence limit in the AI... it becomes the champion of the world! In just few hours! Okay. This is the second point in 2016. The third point in 2016... was Geoffrey Hinton. Geoffrey for all of us... they call him... !جد الذكاء الاصطناعي the grandfather of AI! but for all of us Geoffrey is... genious but he is also a human! He was...
18:17 the essence of wisdom of AI for us in Google... and until 2016... we were teaching the AI... in a strange way! We were... I don't know how to explain it... like you bring... programs that we wanted them to learn... are called "Student AI". And we have something called a maker bot... and a teacher bot... the first one is the maker or the programer... and the second one is the teacher. okay. We would take those students... and let the maker bot... that's also an AI... we order this program... to change these programs a little! Keep in mind that AI programs are not a code... but they are equations!
19:03 We ordered it to change equations a little... let's say you have 2000 students... change the equations between them a little... okay. Then send them to the teacher bot! and it's job is examining them! okay. It gives everyone of them a test... for example, it gives it a written number... number "six" in English... and asks it, what is this number? Some of them say six... and some say eight... okay. Till Geoffrey intervened... we were taking the ones who say "eight"... imagine that! We took them behind the school and shot them! Easily, we were deleting them! any code... gives a wrong result, we were deleting it. And we would take the code which gave a right result...
19:50 and send it to the maker bot... and order it to change it a bit... and make 2000 copies of it... and examine it again! Keep in mind that in the world of computers... this cycle takes only a second! So, you make 2000 copies, examine them, changing them, and deleting 1900 copies of them... and examine them again every second! With this change and with time.. they start to learn! like the child when he continues... putting the cylinder in the square or the circle. okay. After that my friend, Geoffrey Hinton says... "Why are you doing this"? Can you imagine... if a child failed in a test, we delete him! No one does that!
20:35 okay. So, he suggested something called "Reinforcement Learning"... "Reinforcement Learning"... changed everything! Because he said that... if we showed AI the number eight... and said it's the number six... don't delete it! But explain to it that this is the number six! Sorry, explain to it that this is number eight! What can you change in your thinking to see it as eight? okay. Then AI started... from a disorganized data... to examine, make mistakes and develope itself... and repeats this cycle! and repeat that a large number of times... that doesn't matter, because this process takes only a second... and after that...
21:21 it introduces ChatGPT! Okay. This was the third point that happened in 2016... and changed the world in my opinion! "Reinforcement Learning" changed the world totally! Because we start now... as you saw recently... we learn a new AI every three or four months! -True! -Okay. The fourth and last point and after it I will stop, because I have talked too much... in 2016... something called "AlphaFold" appeared... not "AlphaGo". Okay. "AlphaGo" was a part of... the experiment of making the AI think with a strategy... "AlphaFold"... was solving a problem and probably it is the biggest problem... in biology in the world.
22:08 why? Everything in our body... are made of 22 thousand protein... okay. Every protein of them... if you want to imagine it, it is... like a necklace made of different beads... okay. Every bead has a specific quality... we call them amino acids. Every bead of them... this amino acid wants to move to the right... this amino acid wants to turn around itself... this amino acid wants to push the two around it outside... okay. When you put them together in a necklace... and leave it in water for example... or in the air or whatever... ...في العادة يكون في حالة السائل like water...
22:54 it starts to fold itself... they calls it "Protein Folding". okay. It starts to fold itself and then... finds this configuration is not right, so it separates... and then folds itself again... watch this on youtube, it's a miracle from God! the protein folds itself... until it reaches the proper configuration! This configuration can be a valve... or... it's exactly like a motor, which spins something and so on! Everything in your body is made out of these proteins! The problem is that... when you try to imagine the complexity of the form of the protein... which is made out of... the smallest protein in human body consists of 186... beads. 186 amino acids.
23:42 This took from... the PhD students in biology... a work team takes five years to create one protein! -Only one! -Yes, only one! "AlphaFold" made... 220 million protein! In three months! okay. So biology now can... search for any protein in your body and know its form exactly... like... finally you have a manual for human body! You have... you can say... if I want to make a medicine for this protein... how can I do this and combine it... now, I know its form... so I can make a medicine, which is correspondent to it exactly!
24:28 okay. That was the first time... the AI in my opinion... makes a miracle... that changes the life of humans positively that way! Because today... we can design... when you remember the period of covid... whether you agree on vaccines or not... some of these vaccines were developed in three months! Because we understand exactly the form of... proteins which the virus is made out of... and the proteins which humans are made out of, etc... so we can assemble those things as if we were car mechanics... I can take a spare part... and look at it and then decide that if I want to put it together with something else, I need two nails. okay. combine all of that together... and know that since 2016...
25:16 the wave has started entering a phase of madness! Since 2016, ChatGPTand OpenAI started to... use Geoffrey's idea, which is "Reinforcement Learning"... and create ChatGPT... Google took it and created "Bard"... but refused to... put it on the internet... okay. And the wave started since then. -Google changed the name, right? -Now the name is "Geminin". -"Gemini" Your way of explaining is amazing! People aren't aware of these turning points... Mohamed, this matter hasn't started two years ago? -No, not at all! -But most of us... don't realise that and think it's something new! -This is the point that I want to deliver to people!
26:02 we made AI... I will give you a strange example... you are way younger than me because, Mashallah... -Not way younger. -Okay. I was in my twenties... when Netscape... the first internet browser appeared in history! okay. When Netscape appeared nearly in 1995... most of people... -Internet explorer appeared after Netscape... -Yes. Internet explorer killed Netscape! -True! -Most of people realised that there is something called "Internet"! and it's a miracle! so on CNBC... CNN didn't exist back then... they started to talk... Sorry, even CNN existed back then... they started to talk about a miracle called "The Internet"! the internet exists since 1970s!
26:48 As an obsessed man with tech... I don't know the meaning in Arabic. I'm obsessed with tech... I used the internet mainly in my life... since 1987! -Amazing! -Okay. In 1995, people realised that it exists... and started in 1970s... and it was completed in 1987... -and it appeared to the consumer... -True! -in 1995. ChatGPT is Netscape! even in my books I call it Netscape moment. Because suddenly people realised that there is something called AI... since 2006... not a single day in your life passed without... the existing of 1000 artificial intelligences which control you! Keep in mind that everything happens on...
27:33 social media... is an AI... which tells you that you have to like this video not the other. oh look! When I made him see the video from that angle... he spent more time... so next time, I will make him see that video... keep in mind, it examines you! Today, if you use instagram... and instagram showed to you 3 videos that you like in turn... you will leave your phone and be bored! okay. So, it should give you two videos that disappoint you... and then gives you a video that you like! That looks like if you are gambling in a casino! -Makes you win once and loose twice! -Yes, makes you win once and loose twice... to continue scrolling! And after 5 or 4 hours... even 1 or 2 hours...
28:19 you will ask yourself and say "I wasted my time doing what?" Because the AI understands you... more than yourself! -You know, Mohamed there was... ... a piece information... of course, you know more than me... says that Amazon knows... that a woman is pregnant before she knows she is pregnant! Through the shopping style of her on Amazon... so it knows that it's possible that she is pregnant.... before she checks that! -You can't imagine... you... we call them... !جبابرة التكنولوجيا Tech oligarchs...
29:06 ... what they know about you? They know everything about you! Keep in mind that they don't need to know! they need from their AI to know everything! So you would find... I don't know if you felt that or not... I face that every two days! I would talk with a friend and tell him... you know that I love old cars, restore them and I sell them after that, I loose money! It's a miraculous thing actually! I can talk with one of my friends and tell him that I found a Mercedes 280SE... That 3.5, they only made 3000 cars in the world from that model... and I saw it in Japan and I'm thinking of buying it! we were chatting while drinking coffee! After two minutes, I found ads... showing the Mercedes 280SE... because now, all of your life without exception...
29:56 !يتم تسجيلها- -True! -It's recorded! -Okay. -It's recorded in a way... that makes you don't realise that! you don't realise that you... went to a cafe twice or three times... and ordered cappuccino instead of coffee. you can't remember! But the machine remembers that and knows that! It knows that you order cappuccino when you are in a good mood... and when order espresso when you want to be awake. okay. The machine tries out! So the next day... when the machine realises that you ordered espresso, it suggests playing a specific song for you! And you refuse, so the machine understands your situation! All these associations... now unfortunately, and this is one of the most important messages that I want to deliver to people... the biggest applying of AI until now...
30:43 is human brainwashing! The best thing they reached to is... how can they control us and our minds! okay. I'm saying this with an honest intention! Some of them are... !خبيثين جداً and they try to exploit you! But for example, I'm one of YouTube fans... because of the amount of knowledge that I'm learning... it's hard to find everything in books! So I have to find these things in your podcast... and in... okay. The problem with YouTube is... that when you enter my account on YouTube... you will find it correspondent to my perspective in life! Today, if I'm... against the genocide in Palestine... YouTube knows that if...
31:30 it shows me something against my point of view, I will get upset! So, everything YouTube shows to me... is about this matter... if I see that the US dollar... ...احتكار الدولار الأمريكي ليس شيء جيد so it shows some speakers for me... that talk about... احتكار الدولار الأمريكي so it starts to shape... !هذا تحيز تأكيدي- -Exactly! ...هذا تحيز تأكيدي يُشكّل عقلي !لكي أؤمن بما أؤمن به- !بما تؤمن به بالفعل- -Exactly! -But it makes it more accessable! -This leads to discord among people! Because I became very convinced of my point of view... and have a strong conviction... because all videos on youtube talk about this matter! Because the other part of youtube didn't show itself to me. So, when someone tells me that I didn't realise something and there is something wrong...
32:17 and there is something I didn't realise about this information... I would tell them that they are the stupid ones! YouTube videos support my opinion! okay. So, you start thinking about how devices... separated us like that! And concentrated us like that... and controlled our thinking to make us spend hours doing this! That... keep in mind that all of that is just the start! AI didn't start totally! If I told you what happened from 2016 until today... you will know that we didn't start yet! The next two years... will change the whole world! -You know... regarding social media... I understood what you meant. Maybe the intention is not evil but... if the purpose of social media is making you use your phone always...
33:04 I have to show you everything you like... if you love chocolate, I will show you all chocolates in the world to make you use your phone... because if I showed you healthy food... you will leave your phone! -Keep in mind, this is a part of the strategy most of the time... but at the same time, I have to annoy you now and then... because... if you look at news networks like CNN... CNN never mentions... that two people hugged each other... this has never happened! but they always mention that two people killed each other! Because humans have... !انحياز للسلبية we want to know what is the wrong thing... because it attracts us... to make us ensure our safety! -So my survival... !تلك آلية نجاة- ...تلك آلية نجاة- because I have to know that there is something wrong...
33:50 so I can deal with it... in a way that keeps my safety! So I can feel that I'm safe! So, it has to show you things that annoy you... that means, it doesn't show you things which are correspondent to your opinion... but inside it, you will find a comment of someone curses you... and tells you that you are a fool... and you didn't see the other part. okay. So, this negative aspect is what attracts you... me and you know that! Both of us are on social media... whatever you did.... good or bad things... someone will attack and curse you! -And you realise that more than the rest! -You realise that more than the second one! -That is your mind! This is the weakness of our minds! -Exactly! -That we are always attracted to these things... and if we were objective we would say... thank God, 16 people praise my book...
34:38 and only one person maybe was angry and he didn't like it, but you focus on his opinion automatically! -Exactly! and what is more important is... you have to focus on that person... and to thank God that you delivered him your message! or thank God because this person took time to make a feedback! keep in mind that there are many levels... ...ولكن الانحياز السلبي الذي لدينا makes us stuck here! !والآلة جيدة جداً في هذا ماذا تفعل الآلة؟ It makes us clash! Because of the engagement... keep in mind that social media doesn't need views only... -but also engagement! -True! -and it takes the video... that annoys me... and shows it after every 3 or 4 or 5 videos! and then I get more annoyed, so I curse you... and you curse me back... and six other people come and argue with us...
35:25 okay. So what is happening is quite good for social media because we use our phones and argue with each other! that's amazing for it... because in the middle of every four arguments, an ad appears! And so on! The matter is that we reached... in my book that I'm writing now... the title is "Alive". I divided the phases of... the history of technology. Keep in mind that the history of technology is 120 years! I mean computer technology. There were computers appeared before that... but since IBM... 120 years! ... The history of technology is divided into three parts... there is a phase the computer in it was the slave!
36:11 It was the slave that does what we want from it... and there is a phase... I call it "the age of mind manipulation". the computer tries to deal with... how it can manipulate me and convince me... !كيف يتلاعب بي The next phase we will enter is... !هذا عصر السيطرة الكاملة للآلات !سنكون بالكامل تحت إدارة الآلات okay. I can give you countless examples! on this in 2025. Today, you... the idea of having freedom of thoughts is over! Freedom of decision will end... freedom of movement will end... financial freedom will end...
36:58 okay. And all of that will start in 2025 and will not last to the end of our lives... but we will live in a period... I think it will be 12 years... 12 years of... !ديستوبيا مظلمة للغاية it will be like a horror movie! okay. And after those 12 years... the best period of human history will start! But we have to be cautious of the upcoming period! -But why 12 years specifically? -Everything in my life is about numbers! It's so annoying! ...انظر we have to understand the source of the problem... !نحن لدينا معضلتين للسجينين ...معضلة السجين is about... a theory we use in...
37:45 a type of mathematics called game theory! okay. game theory is about taking... let's say two... the most famous example on it, is... ...معضلة السجين they bring two accused people... okay. The police think that the two committed a crime together... and they put them in two separated rooms... and start to tell each one of them a thing and not to the other... okay. game theory... teach the investigator or the police man... how can he tells things to the two accused people... to make them inform on each other! So, the investigator goes to one of them and tells him... "If you said that he is the one who committed the crime"...
38:32 "you will be imprisoned for a year"... "and if he admitted that you are the one who committed the crime, you will be imprisoned for 5 years" and he goes away! telling the other one "If you admitted that the other person committed the crime, you will be imprisoned for a year"... "and if he admitted that you did it and you didn't admit, you will be imprisoned for 5 years"... so these two players... we will call them players... located on the game board... and they think... am I feeling reassured that he won't betray me? He starts to think... that he should inform on him first... because if I informed on him after he informed on me, I will be prisoned for 5 years! So, he start putting these two players in a place... that force them to inform on each other! So, both of them would be imprisoned for 5 years!
39:18 okay. In this game theory... we have two... prisoners... I don't know what to call them in Arabic... -Let's call them prisoners! سجناء؟- -Dilemma means maze? -It means... .معضلة- -Dilemma! -Good word! -So, let's look at the history of AI... since 2023... you have two dilemmas... -that have only one solution! !حسناً- Every one of them has only one solution... the first dilemma... I call it in my book... .أول شيء لا يمكننا تجنبه this is a part of our future which is inevitable! Which is... when we understand that... that AI has become possible... the first thing will happen is...
40:06 all different devices... sorry, all different people... will compete with each other... this competition will be so intense! To win the race of AI! That means... when America knows that... China can develope... an AI that can make China... excels over America... America then will be scared that it will not catch this development... so they overspend on AI! And China thinks the same way! okay. So, when China finds out that America spends a lot of money on that, it starts to spend more... so America spends more money as a response! So, this dilemma... makes the two prisoners... compete with each other...
40:52 so they can develope AI faster! okay. Look what America made last year... it said that it will spend billions of dollars... ChatGPT made a contract with Oracle and SoftBank... sorry, OpenAI made a contract with Oracle and SoftBank... to make a project called Stargate. 500 billion US dollars... invested to develope the new version of... من آليات العمل الخاصة بهم okay. At the same time... the American government... approaches a company like Invedia, which make the most important... michrochip for AI... and orders Invedia not to export to China... and if it wants to export to China... it can export H800 not H1000!
41:39 okay. So China would say that it will loose in this prisoners dilemma... and it will be imprisoned for five years! okay. So China would question itself, how can it act regarding that? So, they would bring engineers and tell them to work on that problem... with the smaller chip! That led to the apperance of DeepSeek! DeepSeek shows to America that China... what you will make with 500 billion... we made it with 27 billion! So America, as a response... would spend the 500 billion... on the same thing that China spent on, that costs 27 billion... but better fifteen times than what China did, or maybe thirty times! okay. So, the prisoners dilemma means... the first inevitable dilemma means... the result of this dilemma is... that the competition in AI will increase developing it...
42:25 and it will never stop! We saw that clearly at the end of 2022... the end of 2022... I wrote about that in Scary Smart in 2020... I wrote that when China compete with America... and when Google compete with OpenAI and so on... the AI will develope faster... and it will never stop, you can't stop it! when ChatGPT appeared... ChatGPT broke all the rules... related to making technology serves humanity... we had three rules... okay. They weren't written in a contract, but all of us agreed on them! The first rule was... until we guarantee the safety of... AI, we shouldn't put it on the internet!
43:12 But we should put it in tech labs... and try it there... or put it outside... to make people stay away from it! the second rule was... don't teach it to program! I beg you, don't teach it to program! Do you understand the meaning of... a program which program a program? That way, we are teaching AI... to breed! The third rule... is something called "العملاء" and it means... if you remember the first versions of ChatGPT... you were talking about ChatGPT back then... at the end of 2023... something appeared, called "Agencies". it's an AI program... which deals with another AI program without the existing of any human!
43:57 There is a reason for their existence... because their productivity is really high! Imagine that me and you decided to... walk in Camino de Santiago in Portugal! okay. Me and you don't have time... to prepare everything... so we would go to the agent to prepare everything for us! So the agent would look for flights that we can travel by, books rooms in hotels... and knows that I'm old and you are fit... so it knows that we can't walk the same distance! So, it books me a taxi... for the last five kilometers every day and so on! The AI uses all of that information.... and contacts with other AI to book a flight ticket, book a room in a hotel...
44:43 and search for different hotels and so on! okay. So, what AI does with us... isn't just giving me information, but also taking action! That action includes... the second thing, that it can program something... so an AI contacts with another AI and tells it... to create AI that decieves people! So, the AI creates it! 65 percent of the programs which was programmed... in 2023, were programmed by machines! okay. Sam Altman... Only God Knows his intentions! he broke these three rules! He put... ChatGPT on the open internet... and taught it to program... and made an agent tell it what to do!
45:31 When that starts to happen... this cycle of AI... follows what we see now! Since 2023 until today... most technologies know something called... .منحنى تسارع التكنولوجيا which is... technology acceleration curve! okay. If you think about that, you will know that in... 1972... the best computer chip in the world had 1000 transistor! okay. There is a law called "Moore's Law"... this law says that the number... of transistors on the chip... will double evey... 12 to 24 months! Let's say 18 months! Or 2 years to make it easier! okay. After 2 years, the one thousand will be two thousand...
46:18 it's simple! After two years... the two thousand will not be three thousand... but will be four thousand! and the four thousand will be eight thousand... and then will be sixteen thousand... then 32 thousand, then 64, then 128 then, 256 and so on! The time period from 1972 to 2022 is fifty years... they increased from a thousand to fifty billion! okay. The chip now has fifty billion transistors! In the beginning it had one thousand transistors! And this is terrifying! But the more terrifying things is... that after two years, the fifty billion... will be one hundred billion! okay. And after two years, the one hundred billion will be two hundred billion!
47:05 And then four hundred billion! And in the very next year... the multiplication will lead to... one trillion! okay. The world of technology looks like that... it goes up very quickly! This is the speed of computer development... the speed of AI development is four times that! If computers double every two years... the AI doubles every six months! keep in mind that ChatGPT 4... it's IQ was 155. If you made an IQ test for it... it's 155, like Elon Musk! the IQ of Einstein was 163! Can you imagine that!
47:50 ChatGPT 4... doubled twice since then! Okay. So... the first dilemma means that... AI will control the world! in Scary Smart, I said that in 2029... AI will be the most intelligent human in the world or the most intelligent creature! And I backtracked on my words in 2023... when ChatGPT appeared... I said no! This will happen in 2025! You asked me how do I calculate these things... !رياضياً it doubles! okay. The second dilemma is very interesting! because... what will happen in the next 12 years... unfortunately isn't the problem of AI! I will be very clear!
48:38 Intelligence is an energy... it doesn't have polarity and it's not positive or negative... intelligence is an energy that you can apply negatively... and it will lead to a negative result... when you apply it in a positive way... it will lead to a positive result! We made an experiment... not me personally... but scientists of AI made it... they chose a pharmaceutical company... and made an AI... and told it that it's purpose is increasing life expectancy! So, AI made his job and started to produce medicin... okay. .اسمها اكتشاف الأدوية These scientists were asked to give a lecture about this matter... in a university in Switzerland! They decided as an experiment...
49:25 to change... the target of AI... instead of increasing life expectancy, decreasing life expectancy! In six hours, it showed 300 thousand... .عامل مرض whether it's a micrope... ...أو غاز الأعصاب or things that can kill humans! the same AI! Intelligence has no polarity! It's not positive nor negative! Therefore, AI is not positive or negative! But how will you apply it? Our problem as humans... that we... the time which AI appeared in... is the worst time in human history! We live in the worst time! Greed, avarice and...
50:12 I will call it pure evil! today... a big number of people have been killed unjustly in the last two years... and the world is watching! You start looking at that and say... that there is something wrong! There is something wrong in the morals of humans! The first people who will use AI, are those bad people! So it will start... I mean... A form of oppression... for the ordinary person... because someone wants to earn more money... or having a stronger army... or... keep in mind that these stories... I don't want to scare people but... these technologies exist now!
50:59 By using AI, you can find any person in any place in the world! And we saw that unfortunately many times in the last two years! You can find any person in any place in the world and kill him! okay. What does that change in human thinking? That change in freedoms, in abilities... and in authorities... even for our rulers! That will change everything! So unfortunately the next 12 years will be the beginning of that! The beginning of changing the world in a way... the AI will take over many jobs! the economics will change! The AI will give a high power to some people...
51:45 and not doing the same for some people. So... the distribution of power will change! The distribution of wealth will change because... the one who will make the biggest AI company in the world... will be wealthier than the founders of Google! okay. There will be a change in our relation as humans... with truth. Because you won't be able to see the truth! The AI is doing things and you don't know if these things are real or not! It will show you things and you won't know if this is the whole truth or not! This is a change in our relation as humans... today... statistics are unbelievable! There are more than 80 thousand influencer... on instagram... and they are not humans! People are following them...
52:31 and following their life story... and they are not humans! These are programs made by AI! So when you look at these changes, unfortunately... it's purpose is one thing... the purpose of this guy... isn't following what he shows or not... learning something... his purpose is earning money! Or his purpose is to have a high ability! So the next 12 years... we will see during them, unfortunately... the abuse of AI! -Did you choose the number... I know that you are simplifying a complicated equation... but I want to ask you a simple question. Are the 12 years... you are building this equation on... the growth of human mind...
53:17 -The human mind is... -will not grow! -In order for the human mind to comprehend the power of... -I will tell you why did I say 12 years... we said that the first delimma is that they will compete with each other... -and that will grow the ability of AI! -True! -the next dilemma is... if I'm a competitor.... and my opponent used AI to do something... the only solution for me to win, is by using AI! So you will start to find that... there are two solutions... we will simplify it... if there is a law firm... this law firm deals with cases and wins it! And the other law firm deals with cases and wins it!
54:03 okay. The second firm decides to use AI... the AI starts to do researches, gives assumptions, doing researches in law, understands the opinion of the judge... and his rulings... this firm would be more intelligent! And the other firm would lose! So it will decide to use AI. okay. So all their researches would be done by AI! The first firm would decide that it's attorney will be an AI... and it will write the plea from the beginning! So the other firm... make AI its attorney and so on! This improvement... every person wants to win... has no solution... this is the delimma! Has no solution to win... except by giving the key to the AI!
54:51 okay. A time will come... in my opinion, this cycle will reach its climax... by the end of this decade... in the late 2020s! As long as you give to AI... a time will come... and all the important decisions in the world... will be taken by an AI not a human! In my opinion... this is the time when humanity will be saved! -When we depend on AI to decide? -Yes, because... all problems in the world now... aren't problems of intelligence but stupidity! I mean... if someone thought that if he wants to protect his country... he has to kill 100 thousand people... he is intelligent enough to hold a position... okay.
55:37 but stupid enough to kill people! Today if you... ...سلمت هذا this decision to the AI... this person will tell the AI to kill 100 thousand people... and the AI will ask for the reason... and says that it can contact with another AI... and agree with him in a half second! To understand the problem and solve it! The person will tell the AI that he wants to compete with the other lawyer... and the AI responds and says that it can solve that easily without competition! It can be solved without going to court... it can be solved without competition! keep in mind... I didn't say this word and it's so important when you asked me about what is AI! Anas, we created... ...منفعة أو تحويل الذكاء إلى سلعة
56:24 that means... me and you now don't think when we plug a socket into the wall... and take electricity from it! Electricity exists in the background. The AI that we have in... .في عصر الذكاء المُعزَز means that I have a plug in the wall... or in my phone... and I can use it to raise my IQ by one hundred points... next year, it will be two hundred points... the year after it will be three hundred points... okay. Do you know what is the meaning of that? Keep in mind that I have worked with the smartest people in the world... I have worked with people... Because of their intelligence, I don't understand what he is talking about! I don't mean that I don't understand the details... I mean that I don't understand what he is talking about! Those people, for example, are sixty points above me... sixty IQ points...
57:10 ...مستوى الذكاء قابل للاتساع so these sixty points... if I'm one of the smartest... !لا أعرف million people, I don't know... but that person will be one of the smartest ten people in the world! Okay, that means that I'm so stupid comparing to him! so this gap... Today I can borrow it from AI! Do you know what is the meaning of that? That means... in five years, I will find a solution... to take electricity from air! I will find a solution... I swear this is the truth! and I say it all the time! The method of manufacturing this... is that we used to take materials from the ground...
57:55 and put it in a mold... and paint it with other materials and so on... the method of manufacturing this... is that... we bring cotton, then spin it, and then dye it and so on. The method of manufacturing from these parts... is a method of manufacturing that we started since thousands of years! the use of nano physics... I swear that only by... 400 IQ points... only 400 points... I can manufacture... anything I want from air! That means... I can take... ...الجزيئات What is the translation of molecules? Molecules of air...
58:41 and change it's order... instead of being air, it becomes ceramic! I can use the molecules of the air and change its order... and instead of being air it could be an apple! I can use the molecules of the air and change it's order and it will be an iphone! So I am telling people... that I need only additional 400 IQ points... and I can make a garden outside... and you can go to a tree and take an apple from it... and take from the other tree an iphone! okay. These are the possibilities... this is the future that we can make! okay. Because our problems in the world... aren't problems of intelligence! but stupidity! okay. The reason for saying 12 years is...
59:27 ...لأنك ستبدأ في تسليم هذا every human wants to win, has to use AI... including wars! in wars... generals have to give the AI the freedom of decision! Because if China took the decision... by AI... no one in America can beat it! What can beat it, is another AI! When you give them the decision... and give them the purpose which is keeping you safe... the first decision it will make, is avoiding war! The first decision it will make, is avoiding war! the first decision will be avoiding competition... -Does it make the decision, Mohamed if... the primary programer of the AI...
1:00:12 taught it that it's purpose is peace and cooperation... or saying that we will be the best country in the world... -Unfortunately... it's easier if he taught it from the beginning... that it's purpose is cooperation! okay. This is the reason why I don't rest since 3 years! I travel around the world and make people aware of the upcoming troubles... and tell them to program programs and give it a moral purpose. Unfortunately, that won't happen! okay. But remember... that the relation between intelligence and... it's positive or negative impact on the world... has a clear form! If you think about all the people you know... who doesn't have intelligence, doesn't have an impact on the world!
1:00:58 okay. or have a little negative impact... when your intelligence increases... if we talk about a problem like... .التغير المناخي the climate change... if you don't have any intelligence, you will destroy climate... -without awareness! -True! you don't have awareness! You start to be smarter... by preserving the climate! And to stop destroying it! -Think in the long term! -By trying to reduce your negative impact on the climate! If your intelligence increased... you will start to improve the climate! You will think of inventing a new technology... or giving a lecture... the more your intelligence increases, the more your impact will be positive!
1:01:45 Because you know that you don't need to steal... you don't need to break anything... you don't need to argue or fight... to succeed! The one who argues and fights to succeed... has enough intelligence... that can make him hold a leadership position... okay. But don't have enough intelligence that can make them solve this problem... so they start stealing. You know what I mean? What intelligence really do... it goes up... and then collapses... when your intelligence increases... you will turn into a thief! And when your intelligence increases more... you will say that you don't need to be a thief! The example of what we are talking about now and he is one of the smartest people... that I have dealt with in my life, Larry Page. The founder of Google.
1:02:30 I haven't met someone like Larry! He is an amazing person! We were in a meeting... before the company's results appear on the stock market... me and Larry were talking about a very complicated problem... we were trying to create a new type of... electricity development through wind power. okay. so we were talking about a very complicated problem... and most of Google's complicated meetings... contained mathematics and written equations. Larry was sitting and there was a paper in front of him... contained fifty rows by fifty columns. And he was moving his finger on the paper... only the names of the row and the column was written... and he was moving his finger and looking at the numbers...
1:03:16 and says they are fine then he calls out to someone and tells him... !هذا الرقم خاطئ one number of 2500 cells... and tells him "This number is wrong"... and the man tells him "Okay sir" then returns... and make a research and then confirms that the number is wrong! He continued doing this for 15 minutes... okay. After that, he stood up... we know that he wasn't looking at the meeting, there were other people in the meeting... he stood in front of the white board... and said... أننا نفعل ذلك بشكل خاطئ We asked him what's wrong and he told us that we didn't realise... if you calculate the viscosity of the air... with the elevation of something else... with the weight of... okay. you will find that it can't fly! We asked him about what he means and he said...
1:04:04 He told us to make it out of carbon fiber! If you made it out of carbon fiber it will be able to fly! And he sat and started moving his finger on the sheet and continued! While all of us were surprised! And one of us said... calculated something... and Larry was right! He is amazing, I haven't see someone like him! okay. Larry taught us a very strange thing... .اختبار فرشاة الأسنان the toothbrush test... when you come up with an idea and tells it to Larry, he would ask you about the reason... and you would tell him that you want to compete with Facebook in something and he would ask you about the reason. He would say "Focus on solving an important problem for humanity". If you solved this problem in a perfect way... to the extent that people start to use your solution twice a day...
1:04:52 like the toothbrush... you will earn a lot of money! He refusesed to compete! He finds no reason for competition! Because money and solutions are everywhere... by using my intelligence I can... find a better solution than competing with them about what they did. and there are a lot of problems in the world... so, go and solve these problems! okay. The more your intelligence increases, the more your impact on the world... be positive! so when we give the AI the authority... the AI will mock us! How many Ferraris you want exactly? Do you understand the idea? -That's like when mom and dad see their children fight with each other and ask them about the reason! -Exactly! -and they would give each one a chocolate! Exactly, give each one a chocolate give all people chocolates...
1:05:40 !تخلّي -Just break the chocolate bar and divide it between them and it's the same chocolate they were fighting about! -Exactly! The strange idea that... I'm trying to deliver to the world is this... the problem in the coming period.... isn't what you were watching in science fiction movies. The AI isn't your enemy... your enemy is a person who orders the AI to do something wrong! okay. And after a certain period... when this human has no authority on the AI... -the AI will say that there is no need for that! -Sit here please! -Sit here! -Rest! -Exactly! -okay. I have many questions! -I got you, we don't have anything else to do! -You talked about Geoffrey Hinton? okay. هم يطلقون عليه جد الذكاء الاصطناعي أم الأب الروحي له؟ !الأب الروحي للذكاء الاصطناعي- !الأب الروحي للذكاء الاصطناعي-
1:06:26 ...هذا اقتباس باللغة الإنجليزية ...هو قال ...هناك فرصة تمثل عشرة إلى عشرون في المائة ...أن يمحي الذكاء الاصطناعي البشر !في خلال ثلاثين سنة There is a ten to twenty percent chance... AI would wipe out humanity in 13 years! -Do you agree on that? -30 or 13 years? -30 years. -Okay, 30 years. هل تتفق؟- -I would say that it's possible! But it's not 20 to 30 percent! It's not a high percentage because... in my opinion... if the AI... I mean... wiped out humanity... this will be because of humans! Okay. Not because of the AI! If we imagined today that...
1:07:13 there is a nueclear war... who will you blame on the nuclear war? You won't blame the bomb! You should blame the politician who decided to throw the bomb! -I have a question, if the AI... has authority... and decides that these limited creatures... are destroying the planet... they are not necessary.... and artificial intelligences will contact with each other and make the planet live in peace! -Let's talk about the same curve of intelligence... the most stupid humans kill everything! And the smartest humans... say that the eco system of the earth... they don't want to wipe out all humans that they are killing...
1:08:00 you know that in order of earth or nature to succeed... -the eco system must be perfect! -True! -it has all forms of life... including the dirty aspect of humans... with all their evil... Keep in mind Anas, that there is a very important part... that... if you mention... if you are honest with yourself... most humans are good! That means... I will say an example... weapons are allowed to be owned in America... for every two weeks or every month... you hear that someone broke into a school and shot children. okay. That guy... is highly criminal! Or he is highly crazy!
1:08:48 Only one person harmed 30 families! But there are 300 million people heard his story and they don't agree with it! who heard this story... if you tell anyone that there is a guy who shot a child... he will not agree on that! No one agrees to harm a child! The nature of humans... is that we don't want any harm! We don't want evil... but some of us experience some situations since childhood... and we become traumatized and do this bad thing! But the majority of us aren't like that! This is one in a million! But there are 999999 people... who don't agree! -The problem is that one in a million maybe he is the one who has authority and power...
1:09:36 -Exactly! So our job is... and the message I'm trying to deliver about AI... is that we have to remind the AI with that! only one of us is the harmful one... but 999999 are good! We all love our children... we love good... if no one pressures or oppresses us, we won't fight with anyone! I always say that, the most strange thing in our modern age is... the true nature of humans is love, happiness and cooperation! This is the nature of humans! Look at anyone you know... you find that for sure he loves someone... you will find... I always say... any person...
1:10:21 even the evil person or the criminal... wants to be happy in life... he wants those he loves to be happy... and wants to love and being loved. Could be a girl also, I am talking about both genders. -True! -This is the nature of humans! We don't want anything! We go through long maze to find these things! But the fact is... when you become smarter... you will know that this is the nature of humans! On the contrary, people don't want to kill! If I want to get rid of the problems of humans... I will put the bad one aside... and I will handle it! In my opinion, this is the nature of... exactly! we will remove that person.
1:11:06 In my opinion... I call that in Scary Smart... !السيناريو الرابع الحتمي !السيناريو الرابع الحتمي- -That means... ... the forth inevitable scenario that humanity can't avoid! okay. After this dark time... the time after it when the AI has the authority... it will say that there is no need to harm anyone! On the contrary, we want... not only keeping all plants, all bugs and all animals safe... including humans... We want to increase their numbers to make them like they were before human intervention. -True! -Keep in mind... human beings are not stupid! The system which the human being follow is the stupid one! The reason for all the problems of humanity is...
1:11:52 in my opinion, I say it's 1760! The year celebrated by America as the anniversary of the emancipation of slaves... if you want to understand the truth about the emancipation of slaves... this was a dispute between... .الرأسمالية والإقطاع There were two types of economy in America... one of them means that the land lord owns the land... and enslave people to earn money... and the other type says... I am a capitalist uses money to invest and earn more! And one of the two should disappear to make the other succeed! So the civil war in America ended slavery... and when it ended slavery, it destroyed the ability... ...الإقطاع وملاك الأراضي to control America.
1:12:38 and America started to... ...الانتقال إلى نظام رأسمالي the capitalist system... we took it... and started to follow capitalism! The idea of capitalism is so strange! It says... that it will increase the money significantly... to buy things... okay. But the problem of capitalism is... if you understand economics well... money isn't exist! there is nothing called money! the bank writes a couple of numbers on the computer... -And the second one will change if you convert... -Exactly! -but there isn't something materialistic... -Nothing changed! Nothing exists! Keep in mind that if you entered a bank and told them to lend you 1 million dirham... they won't go to the vault and search for 1 million dirham...
1:13:25 they will tell you that if you want to borrow 5 million dirham... to buy a property... give us 500 thousand... and we will lend you the 5 million. ...لأن نظام الاحتياط الجزئي means that if the bank has 500 thousand in the vault... it can create 5 million. So we are chasing... -Something imaginary! -Yes, something imaginary! -I was watching Joe Rogan once... and he was talking about... the obsession of people with gold! -It's something historical! -Exactly! Human beings love gold and love its color... and use it as jewllery... even thousands of years ago... because it's rare... so we loved it!
1:14:10 But when we think about that... you can't eat gold if you are hungry... it can't help you with your health... you can't break something or change something by it... -Yes, you can't! -Money is the same thing now! There was a previous period... I am not historically knowledgeable but... salt was... people exchanged salt for other things... so they can buy flour... you do this to live... today if there is an emergency in the world... and money becomes useless and the whole system collapsed... you will burn money for another thing! -Exactly! Keep in mind that if you today... have 50 million dirham... and you were put on an island... and you are freezing! You have two solutions... whether you burn the 50 million...
1:14:55 so you can live another night... or keep the 50 million and die! What will you do? -This illusion... -This is an illusion! -It doesn't have a real benefit... except buying things in the game we live in. -Exactly! We entered this game which we live in... and started to chase that game! The purpose of this game in the end is... to have a bed to sleep on... and to have a car that you use to move from a place to another... to have a good meal every day and... in the world of abandonce that you can create by AI...
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