0:00 what what I love so much about Geoffrey's approach what's been so most meaningful to me I think and this is something Jeremy and I have talked about many times is that when you get the thinking process you don't really care anymore about whether it's five element or Chun illan or it's acupuncture or its herbs or its essential oils because there's an underlying thinking process that's there and then you can be like okay I'm gonna treat you with coffee and incense or I'm gonna treat you with acupuncture or I'm gonna treat you with whatever because it's just the thinking process rather than the tool where TCM tends to be acupuncture as this or source points are that's for new points or this or rubber and it's the beauty of that approach at
0:49 least in my experience is the how it teaches us to think which gives us such freedom but it's challenging because we have to learn to think in a different way so within the paradigm one of the things that we like to to look at is trying to see the bigger picture of what's going on with the person but then also being able to differentiate where is that going on and in the Dallas model there's sort of the idea of the three Donkin right you have the Lord on Kendall middle done Ken the upper dungeon and they represent areas of the
1:35 body but they also represent the bigger concepts of like the lower Don Ken representing the jinn right the middle Don Ken representing Shen the sorry the the chief and the upper Duncan representing the Shen and Jing Zhi Shan has a concept represents the physical world the Jing the density of the physical body she represents this idea of what occurs in space between things so when you hold a positive magnet and a positive magnet the vibration that occurs between those two spaces the interaction between them that's the Chi right the Chi is in my hand from my other hand but she is what's happening me in the empty space between it's the
2:23 interaction between the two the relationship and then Shan represents the idea of spirit and so we also want to and we're feeling the pulses of our patient or we're interacting with the patient as we can ask ourselves is this something that is in their physical body is this something that is in their emotional body or is this something that is part of their spiritual curriculum or their spiritual body because how we go about treating by default should be different right if you're working with somebody who has shoulder pain because of the spiritual problem or emotional problem how you treat them will be different than if they have shoulder pain because they were hit by a car maybe they had a spiritual crisis that
3:10 caused them to step out in front of the car and we can go down an infinite pathway of what-ifs but the basic idea is that sometimes there are things that are really purely physical but sometimes there are things that are purely emotional and sometimes there are things that are purely spiritual but for most of us there's some degree of interaction between all three of those but there's a primary all right there's a primary cause this is from my physical lifestyle this is from a physical trauma this is part of my emotional patterning this is from an emotional trauma or this is a bigger existential spiritual
3:55 experience our drive as individuals we share a drive towards medicine probably because of some degree of a spiritual similarity we care about medicine you may not even really be able to say why we can give lots of reasons why there's just an intrinsic drive to be interested in medicine that's really coming from a spiritual level but maybe you were young and somebody really close to you died and it was really traumatic you saw the medical system fail and you're really driven emotionally to study medicine because you feel like the medical system is really wrong and you want to change it
4:41 or maybe somebody has a shoulder injury and they get treated for it and they're just really driven because they think it's very interesting physically they're just fascinated with this physical study of the body and so when we're working with a patient we're trying to sort of identify what level is something coming from what is the primary in their disease pattern and their physiological pattern and it's never regretably like like TCM it's never black and white that it's only the emotions or it's only the physical but usually one part of it will stand out and they might be coming to us for something that is purely physical but have all these other complex emotional patterns spiritual patterns and all that and if they're not coming
5:28 for the emotional work and it's not really at least in my opinion it's not really our job to treat that they're not ready to step into that space yet but we can ask questions about it we can engage with them and see if they bite to see if they're interested in going there and still when we do our treatments we need to always know what's going on on all levels as much as possible so we can make our treatments as effective as possible problem and there's this fine line between you know this but he comes in with shoulder pain and they have a lot of emotional frustration but they're coming to you for their
6:14 physical shoulder pain when we go in and we do a treatment where we move blood and remove Chi to treat the pain which would be the classic TCM approach for treating pain is invigorate chained blood the emotions are stored in the blood are stored in the blood if we go back to basic TCM theory right and when you invigorate the blood that means you invigorate the emotions it's not just treating a bruise a hematoma it's moving the blood the Shen spirit the emotions until when you're treating them for their shoulder pain and they have a big emotional release that they
7:00 weren't expecting you can understand why that happened because the blood moved and there's pain free to get better and you can see the correlation and that's one of the things that we try to look for is that I move the blood the pain gets better I move the blood the emotion moves I move the blood on the memory comes out of dormancy they experience a memory because the memories are stored in the blood the liver stores the blood and that starts to explain all the responses we see in the patients when they're on the table we do a treatment and we get the side effect which is not a negative side effect it's a positive side effect but it's still a side effect we can start to understand why that happens you move the blood memories
7:47 start to float up into their mind emotions start to come up and a bruise gets better right because that three body model of physical body emotional body spiritual body they all interact so when you treat the physical it will affect the emotional when you treat the physical that will affect the spiritual and that starts to explain me sort of what's often called the magic of Chinese medicine right so I came to you for my ankle pain and suddenly I had this big flashback to my childhood and this deep childhood trauma was was treated was resolved and that's because those three things are are linked together now does that make sense
8:37 yeah for sure anybody who's done this type of work I think will have had a few of those out those bumps those experiences so part of the way that I look at things is I'm always trying to understand what part of the body am I trying to work with and we can do that via pulses where you feel you know the the pulse at the surface the pulse part way through the vessel or the pulse down at the bone that would be the way cheap that would be the ng that would be the ung right does that make sense you feel the what's happening at the surface of the body the surface of the vessel you feel what's happening in the
9:23 middle of the vessel and you feel what's happening at the base of the vessel the deepest part of the vessel and the pulses will be totally different you know up here it might be floating out or it might be really constricted down here it might be scattering and if you just slow down and hang out with the pulses you'll be able to start to pick some of that stuff up and that starts to give us an idea of what's happening in each of those bodies where is the pulse the strongest so if you're looking at like really basic pulse taking sometimes they'll say like can you feel the pulses and where is the pulse the biggest where is the pulse the smallest right and so you can feel the pulses and say okay there's the most
10:09 activity in the liver pulse there's the most activity in the long pulse and the spleen pulse or whatever it is and where is it the most efficient but really you want to ask yourself at those three levels which one is the most active which one is the most efficient and then you start to study the relationship between them why might be yang Lev will be interacting with the way level in this way and that's where pulses get more complex but we'll try to just keep building on that over the course of of calls as we look at specific cases and try to to kind of decipher things when we have that language of the three
10:55 bodies or the three Chi the way cheating qmg we now have the five channel systems that give us ways to interact with those things so the at the most exterior of the body you could say six channel systems if you want to put the cutaneous regions but most people don't really treat the cutaneous regions so most the time when we talk about the exterior we talk about the see new channels and within the see new channels just flows waging within the low channels is just being too within the primary channels is way changing too
11:45 within the eight extras is just UMG and within the divergent channels is ung and wait but no you ain't and so depending on what part of the person we want to work with each of those channel systems will be more or less efficient if I want to work with your DNA working with the sinew channels is going to be a really slow way to get there not a very efficient way because the senior channels don't touch me in T and they don't touch you ng so it means the
12:30 weight you'd have to affect the way chi enough that it can begin to affect the ENT and then the Yankee eventually can affect the UN Chi it's a very indirect way to get to treating the UNC level if you're trying to affect the way tree-level working with the extras would also be a very slow way to get there so using the do channel or the dye my or the Chung my to treat a sprained ankle doesn't make sense right because you're really looking this is for a sprained ankle that is really just a mild sprain ankle using the a textures to treat a common cold which is just a weakness of the exterior
13:17 it doesn't make sense in terms of how the channels are laid out for what key the effect in the body does that make sense yeah and so when we the body is being affected in the in the patient visit their physical bodies that their emotional bodies that their spiritual body we also want to ask what level of Chi is being affected as well so then it could start to guide us towards which channel system we want to treat TCM mostly works with the primary channels it effects Wei Qi and yang Qi Qi and blood and you can do a lot with
14:02 that but it's not the most effective thing for working with genetic disorders because it doesn't really directly touch the UN Qi level you and what we want to be able to do is to begin to understand what each of those three levels represents and then be able to integrate that with the person that's there in front of us when you first meet your client your patient it's probably not the most realistic to think you're going to treat they're a dextrose because they had extras of the deepest part of them that facet of them isn't
14:50 probably going to be deeply open to you because they don't have relationship with you yet not ready to like just bare their soul and open up on that deepest layer it doesn't mean you can't do any extra treatment but it might be more efficient to develop some degree of rapport and Trust and and safety with them before you try to probe those deeper layers that said if it's a genetic disorder and that's really what's called for them that's what you do but each one represents a certain degree of intimacy with the person as well when you first meet somebody what you're interacting with is caliche you're not really
15:37 getting heart-to-heart you're not going deep into sharing of blood if you will sharing of emotions of sharing of of experience you're just sort of you're getting to know each other in a way like we are right now right this is still sort of relatively weighty level interaction but is we interact more and more you get to know my personality you get to know well I go yeah this is the way justin is in this situation that's the way justin is in that situation this is how he is and you can make fun of me I can make fun of you we can laugh at each other we can laugh with each other we can give each other a hard time our relationship drops in a little bit more intimate right and then as we go deeper and deeper we get
16:22 to know each other's life histories we get to connect on a deeper sort of soul spiritual level where it's like you can see my pain you can see my experiences you can see my personality but at a at a much deeper layer and I'm open to sharing that with you because I trust you because I have this relationship where I can go to you for treatment and lay on the table and really just allow all the to come out of the closet right I don't have to have any armoring around you but to do an eight extra treatment with somebody who's very armored they'll beat this internal resistance within the patient because they're not ready to open up to that and it's not that your clinical skills are
17:09 lacking you may have done the perfect treatment needled the opening point did the right technique needled all the points along the pathway that were the right points to do your diagnosis on ptosis could have been exactly perfect all of that could have been right but when their spirit isn't ready to open up into you into your presence and be vulnerable it's just not ready has nothing to do with your treatment per se right and that's like on the fly that's one of the harder things to judge of like how do we how do we keep creating that sacred space for a patient on the table so they can go as deep as their situation
17:55 NEADS maybe they don't need to go that deep but maybe they do so how do we just create that space so that we can treat them at whatever level is is necessary to help whatever symptoms they're coming in with you know any need any questions with that No yes so do you have experience with any of the those five channel systems that you would like to sort of look at or you
18:43 want to go more detail into one particular channel system do you want to talk about herbs or essential oils or like where can I it's sort of like that's a quite a bit of information to chew on so I don't want to I don't want to like give too much and then have it just be sort of a short circuit but I want to kind of try and my hope would be that with each call we can kind of present some information have you kind of reached that point where it's like wow that's a lot and there's a lot of ways to go with that and chew on it and then try to chew on it a little bit here try to like pull out some practical examples that way when you leave the call not only you just have general theory to think about you actually have some examples to connect to that so that
19:28 it's you can continue tooling in between calls right you can go into clinic you can go into school and see somebody with shoulder pain or see somebody that's emotionally uptight and be like oh I see that showing up mm-hmm so that can be personal experience something that you've worked for it's individually it could be and it could be any of the five channels it doesn't really matter whether we start from the extras that we start from the senior channels or we bounce back and forth none of those things really because it's all interconnected it doesn't really matter which one we we start with
