0:00 If we can start now recording. Greetings and a very warm welcome to you all. Thank you for joining Global Peace Studies for Sustainable Development in Africa. I'm George Muta in Moza, Tanzania, moderating this session on behalf of the Africa Peace and Development Network, Mama. Our theme today is error 404, why the world's peace software can't find African solutions. The speaker is Emmanuel Hamatsipi, a researcher at the Institute for Impact Sciences and Research Design in Swakup, Namibia. Emmanuel is also a member of the Africa Peace and Government Network
0:45 Mama WhatsApp group. You are all welcome to join the group. Please let me join me in welcoming Emmanuel Hammedi. unbroken praise. Oh, thank you so much um George and thank you. Yes. And I would like to acknowledge the presence of all the other participants who are amongst um us today. Uh I'm calling from Namibia and um as as has been highlighted by George, my name is Mano. I'm Mati and um I'm also with the Deon University of Technology uh icon.
1:32 I'm a proud student of professor Harris. Professor Harris is the one who will introduce George. Um to begin with without wast of your time as a way it's only yesterday whereby India and Pakistan were exchanging blows and a few hours before um the Israelites were bombarding Yemen and at the same time we come back to Africa quite a number of pockets are taking place and there seem to be no end despite all the efforts by the United Nations by regional bodies and also by
2:18 respective governments as such um we are facing a crisis that's a global peace systems and UN peace missions is gbling almost billions roughly six billions per year in its missions and at the same time if you look at the international criminal court IC it's uh it go over 225 million US dollar a year but at the end of the day at the end of the day we are not seeing any tangible results we're not seeing any tangible results why this is error 44 as I've highlighted the world
3:03 peace software can't find African solutions because you realize from My understanding from my studies everything has been euroentric. Everything has been eurosentric and all the efforts solutions which are being imposed let me say on the global south they all euroentric and are not compatible thinking with the uh the global south environment. So as such how can we build peace while silencing Africa's wisdom. So in this case in this case ladies and gentlemen where I've realized that the international bodies they're failing why they're ignoring African indigenous
3:49 knowledge system IKS this is what I call error 404 the world's peace software that is failing to find African solutions how can you be peace while silencing Africa's wisdom. Don't you think we need a reboot? Don't you think we need a reboot? Because we're not finding any solution. We have peacekeepers in the DRC, in Sudan, in Lebanon, across the world. But there's no solution at hand. And as such, I have a rhetorical question. How can you build peace while silencing Africa's wisdom? Why is it that Africa's wisdom is being
4:35 silenced when it come to such initiatives? You know, it's a rhetorical question. I move on. I want to define what's what do I mean or what do we mean by 404 glitch? A 404 error is a web page. For example, we are all aware of this error. It's a web page not found due to move or deleted pages of broken links. In a technical language, it is failing to find a page typos or broken leads. In case building it is the UN and the international criminal court missing
5:22 African IK like for example 1 million cases for a pry 40 million against the IC's $220 million why developers to crash when Africa these solutions are ready because from the from from the look of things or from what we understand the global system is crashing while it's ignoring the African peace solutions let's as such ladies and gentlemen let's explore the errors
6:09 causes and I'm also going to ask a very rhetorical question why do global system crash when Africa peace solutions are ready. It's another rhetorical question. The second one, as we move on, as we move on, as we move on, um 404 I continue from my last uh presentation is a client site error. which causes blue typos move deleted pages and also broken links it client side meaning the users
6:55 request that the global P systems it misses the mark it missing the mark we can see that typos Hi George. Hello. I hear you. Please proceed. Yeah.
7:43 Okay. Okay. Thank you. Typos vied about typos like 6.4 billion UN missions ignoring IKS. We have deleted pages like ICC disacha's 85% trust because this gacha has been proven scientifically, technically and um it has been proven to be very very effective but it's been dismissed. We have broken links like Saddics um Sadik has almost 100 million mission which has been sidelined by Euroentric system. So in this case as I've highlighted before you realize most
8:29 of these missions that are euroentric also here I'm being academic. So here I'm being an academic they're all euroentric they are not pivoted on the traditional uh on traditional tools on the indigenous knowledge systems so as such ladies and gentlemen can peace function when systems erase African indigenous knowledge system as such I believe by the end of the day we need to look at user fixes we need to fix the system another question which The third one, can this country system erase African indigenous knowledge system? I don't think
9:14 so. I don't think so. Um, communities must check communities must check the URLs.
10:09 dialogue. You know the palava tree I think scholars of the palava the palava d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d why can troubleshoot like communities do let's see how we can how how we can find the latis solution at the end of the day so another rhetorical question I ask why can't global system troubleshoot like communities do the global system against the community. Don't Let's go to slide number six. All right. We have some uh technical difficulties. I will share the PowerPoint. Uh starting at number six.
10:58 Okay. No, it's fine. Okay. Bear with me. Okay. Okay. No, it's f it's okay, George. It's okay. Um the global paradox ladies and gentlemen as I've mentioned before um ICC is gobling roughly $200 million per year and we have realized recently Hungary ejected from the system and quite a number of other countries are ejecting themselves from this ICC. Why? because it's like legitimacy but at the end of the day in the global south in the African context we have the gachas the gacha principle
11:45 of the ku which yes almost 8% trust amongst the local community so ladies and gentlemen this marginaliz Um and how can this endure when its sidelines is unscientific? It's time to reprogram African solution because for how long shall the global south even not the global south even the Ukraine we talk about can talk about the Ukraine Russian conflict is Palestine conflict we need to understand it from the system how best can we bring
12:31 together the Palestine and the Israelites we need to understand it from the biblical perspective yes I know here we have Christians and Muslim but at the end of the day if you understand it from the spiritual angle or from the angle in this case we are going to find last peace and not what we are getting from the ICC whereby they targeting Benjamin Benjamin Netanyahu that targeting may put in so as such these these international systems they legitim So as such as such another rhetorical question
13:17 being unscientific because we realize quite a number of scholars from the northern hemisphere from the western world who who argue that indigenous knowledge system is unscientific. So everything being sponsored you realize most of the peace missions or peace and governmental organizations in the global south the whole European based it's more of a it's more bottom down not bottom down uh top down top down approach whereby the euroentric ideas euroentric ideas euroentric tools that being imposed on the global south
14:05 at the end of the day all these efforts are hitting a glitch that reaching so now the main question George and other participants the main question being what the world's peace software can't find African solution that is the main question of today's presentation ladies and gentlemen why the world peace software can't find African solution Emmanuel. Hi John. Emmanuel please just let tell us which slide so that we can move like next slide so that we know that one is
14:50 done. Thank you. Let's go to slide eight. Eight. Thanks. This would be eight. I don't hear anything.
15:46 Emmanuel. Hi John. Yes. Could you proceed please? Is that the right one? Number eight. Is is this the correct slide number eight? Oh, yes. All right. Please proceed. Okay. Thanks, George. Um, so ladies and gentlemen, let's continue. I'm sorry about the
16:34 technical glitches were expensive from both sides. Okay. Theoretical framework when um when this presentation was being um assembled to put together George. Yes. I hear you. Yeah, the bandwidth is quite low. It keeps on disconnecting. Let me continue for progress. Um, with regards to the
17:21 background George, yes, I hear you. Okay, move on to the big round. to the background the global peace build peace building crash the UN 6.4 4 billion indices almost two 200 million budgets they ignoring the knowledge system unlike the gacha 40 million with almost 85% we have nations I mentioned some above we have we have monos they falcin 8% resolutions
18:08 As such, I see this African bias. I see this African bias that is the DRC in Mali lacking legitimacy. What legitimacy do systems hold if they silence system? What legitimacy do peace systems hold if they silence system? What legitimacy do systems hold what is the silence indigenous knowledge system? Um if you go back to those who are academic I know most of us here we are all academics. Um we have some theoretical frameworks in the form of the decolonial
18:56 or restorative framework from the authorities like Africa the letter the letter bishop Santos and also ZA there restorative justice uses dialogue like talks about which fosters accountability knowledge system highlights epistmic injustice
19:42 missing knowledge Then we have like who says silencing indigenous knowledge system is violent. Hey, ladies and gentlemen, why is the bank that is theic? Um, George,
20:32 yes, I hear you. Yeah, seem to be having some challenges. My internet. Sorry about that. No, it's all good. I'm on slide 10. On slide 10 at the back, it talks about the back. Number 10. The bug number 10. Yes.
21:22 Are we coordinated? Okay, George. Yes, I hear you. Emmanuel, is that slide number 10 that you are talking about? No. Yes, then it's fine. Let me the BBC. Can you go back? Okay. Yes. So the bug the system.
22:10 Yes. George, can you go back? Give me a number. Yeah. Okay. And let Okay. Let me proceed using the the slides on. Yes, you can. No, it's fine. Let's It's very difficult to hear. Okay. You can hear me now, sir. Yes. What number would you like? Um, can I have slide 10? Slide 10. Yes. Yes. The bug.
22:57 Oh, yes. Yes. The bug. Yes. Um, as you can see, okay, no, it's fine. Anyway, let's work from here. The sound is intermittent. Okay. How? Okay. No, it's fine. Thank you. Let me work from here. How
23:49 does action research why it matters? Communities lead to codes of knowledge system. Oh, don't allow me to reach from this edge to go through my slides from this end. George. Yeah, please go ahead. We depend on you actually. If you tell us to go to slide number 11, we'll go there.
24:34 Uh, from this end, from this end, the slides keep on um shuffling up and down, up and down, back and forth. So, you can read. Yes, we can stop actually sharing the slide if you wish. Let's find Let me Let me take them from here. Um the bad with the systemic error or the systemic eraser. Um you realize ladies and gentlemen. Oh yes. Thank you. You realize if I understand are are you Emmanuel? Are you sharing
25:21 the screen or shall I continue? No, I'm not. Dodge is the one who has been assisting me with sharing the the screen. Oh, okay. This is very confusing. I'm sorry. Yes. Oh, let me do it this way for progress sake. Let me let me let me read from this ends the hard copy of the presentation. Do you want me to do you want me to run the slides? No, you can. Yeah, you can go ahead.
26:07 Okay. If your Yes. If your internet is stable, I don't know what is happening in a media today. So, we're on number 10. If you say if you say next, I will go next. Okay, thank you so much Peter. Much appreciated. So we have peacekeeping bodies in the form of sicas United
26:52 Nations and also the ICC which are marginalizing knowledge system. At the same time, at the same time, the United Nations is vetoing the United Nations vet and roughly I'll keep pointing on 6.4 4 billion missions which are ignoring the system and also we have the SIC missions which are facing Euroentric mandates and the IC is deeming
27:41 indigenous knowledge system or IK is unscientific and how can this thrive when indigenous knowledge system is the rest let's define I'm the problem ladies and gentlemen how can peace thrive when I is erased because all these missions I' mentioned above all these international regional um institutions UN sic IC they are all failing they're all failing their tangible which they produced over the past decade or so conflicts
28:27 are still persisting. Lebanon is still burning Palestine, Isra Ukraine, Russia, GMA, the DRC, northern Mozambique, Sudan, we don't see any tangible any tangible results despite billions of dollars being channeled toward these international institutions. So as such we need to find out where are they going wrong. Where are they going wrong? It's nothing but we can talk about um Peter. Can you show me the BBC the BBC?
29:14 Um give me a number. The next slide. This is number 13. No, it's fine. It's okay. You know, we can walk to 13. It's fine. Okay, action research. Thanks Peter. Action research. Why it matters at this juncture? Ladies and gentlemen, I know as I highlighted before most of you are
30:02 well respected academics and researchers. So action research why it matters in this case. Action research it designs um indigenous knowledge system. We have success in the Bulma region also. We have success stories in Mozambique where action research has played a critical role in bringing about peace in addressing conflict and um BMA's knowledge system workshop they blended gata which earned almost
30:47 92% approval. Mozambique We have more than sad supported peace guardians and it managed to cut violence by almost 30%. So at the end of the day ladies and gentlemen you realize IKS builds trust like umacha which has almost 85% trust amongst the communities against the United Nations or IC which has lost trust for credibility because the uh the communities are directly involved and
31:34 decisions are made by the community themselves and not from they're not made from Washington they're not made from Geneva or they're not made from Nairobi and they and they trickle down to the communities the rhetorical questions arises whose knowledge comes if knowledge system is silenced whose knowledge counts. So should the knowledge of the researcher from Harvard University or state university count when peace
32:20 need. Hello Peter. Yes. Can you hear me? Yes, we hear you. Okay. Yeah. So the question arises for whose knowledge counts if this knowledge system is silenced. So should Africa or let me say even Ukrainian Ukrainian or Palestinian communities which are affected by conflicts to someone from Harvard University or to someone from Oslo University or someone from Captain
33:06 University prescribe what needs to be done what needs to be done in the local in their local communities. So this is one of the critical question which we feel we need to answer. What is peace without the uh what whose knowledge comes if I is silenced? African IS which is the page. We have Ubuntu as I highlighted before we have gacha the palava for global and regional peace. U I believe we are all aware ofu a very very common term brings about interconnectedness and dignity among the communities among the people it could be
33:53 in Ukraine could be in um Palestine it could be in GMA it could be northern mo How are we doing? Am I Am I keeping up? No, it's okay. It's okay. I'll take it up from here. These guardians have cut violence
34:40 by almost 30%. Ladies and gentlemen, as a way we can see tangible results as compared to efforts by international structures or international institutions in the form of United Nations in the form of ICC. So what is peace without knowledge systems communal ontology? What is peace without indig knowledge systems communal ontology? How the next question or the next slide being how digital knowledge system works. We talk of restorative justice 90% prison reductions this
35:28 guidance 30% drop. Why are we ignoring all these facts? Why are we ignoring all these figures? The church cut Randa's prison by 90% for a mere 40 million US. Peace guardians they've reduced violence by almost 80%. This guardian had also been uh a success story in Zimbabwe in the portab or yes the post it could be the post mugab era and at the end of the day is justice
36:17 retribution or IKS restoration which one are we going for is justice retribution or IS restoration we need to examine Rwanda. Rwanda is a very very well documented success story not from UN efforts but from local efforts. Yes, UN played a part but local efforts played a very very important role in bringing about peace. So then the question before I leave this slide is justice retribution or IKS restoration because we talk about as
37:04 I've highlighted before we we have we have read from the ICC whereby they say no has to be arrested Putin has to be arrested but has that stopped Putin from bombarding on a daily basis. Has that stopped NetAngist on a daily basis? No. But why can't we sit down and make use of our additional knowledge system? We bring together the Palestinians and the Israelites. We understand their roots. We bring them together approach approach and I assure you there'll be peace in the Middle East not
37:49 peace from the international criminal court and how many countries so far are withdrawing from the ICC is now being rendered um a white elephant at the end of the day. So this is one of the issue I'm trying to bring up to bring on board say look at the end of the day at the end of the day we need to make use of indigenous knowledge system for the betterment of our communities because Israelites and Palestinians are one but you realize the international system doesn't want to address all those issues those are one people they're one people at the end of the day you need to go back to the roots you need to use our indigenous knowledge system and bring these people together they sit down
38:36 peace guardians or gacha as as as one people. You can take it from the biblical angle. Yes, the one the one and the same. They come from the same root. But you you realize the the system the system doesn't want to look at all that. They are concerned with they're concerned with um um it's more persecution it's more it's more persecuting um or scoring some balls at the end of the day and at the same time the systems are now being used by uh weapons manufacturing companies like so it check the Middle East it's one of the biggest buyers of weaponry in the world
39:24 as of today But if we look at the indigenous knowledge knowledge system and we sit down the Israelites, Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, um Syrians, yes, Ukrainians, Russians, Bellar Russians. Don't you think there will be order? Don't you think there will be peace in the world? Because we we we are all human beings. We there we understand each other when you sit when you sit down. We understand each other when we come together as a people not being dictated by the
40:09 international system to say no this is how the peace is going to be like the Trump for example talk about the Trump um mineral of diplomacy that's not the solution at the end of the day then um I move Are you on what? No, another one. Yes. Yes, please.
40:56 Can you see the screen, manual? No, unfortunately I can't see your screen. Oh, we have case study one, case study two, case study three. No, it's fine. Let me go on case stud. Yes, I I've been talking about church for some time, but anyway, ladies and gentlemen, we're almost there. We are almost there. I think three or four slides and Palestine, Israel, IKS. Oh yes. Okay, we can go to Palestine. We have case study two.
41:44 Yes, but on the screen I'm seeing um three Sudan cancels. You want three? Here we go. No, it's fine. Either way, either way. Either already I've talked about in detail. Okay. I mentioned that mentioned in detail. So this is this is I think there is a time lag in the display. Oh, so right now
42:29 Yes, that's what I'm realizing. Yes, right now you have case study one, Rhonda. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Yes. Rwanda ladies and gentlemen um I highlighted or cited the Rwanda above I think in almost all the flights gacha from it which addressed almost a million plus cases and it is almost 85% trust um ladies and gentlemen ladies and gentlemen as I've highlighted almost
43:17 12,000 calls process over a million cases for a mere or about 40 million US with 85% trust it could clear Ukraine's 20,000 20,000 case backlog unlike ICC's 200 million 200 million part they're not doing anything at the end of the day we're not seeing anything um at the end of the day despite 25% due process gaps IKS justice is proven to be very effective across the world
44:03 yes as I've highlighted yes it has been proven to be more effective than with the national institutions which are more euroentric in their approach. So can justice be global without indigenous knowledge system efficacy? I don't think so that justice can be global without indigenous knowledge system efficacy. You have to look at for example the Palestine as I've mentioned before the Palestine Isra war conflict being a good example. Uh Peter I move into case study to Palestine Israel.
44:50 Okay we have case study two. Yes. So despite all efforts you despite all efforts by the United Nations, European Union sic elders I remember the elders once visited um President Putin. So despite our efforts, despite all efforts, despite all efforts, nothing we haven't realize anything tangible, anything tangible in the Palestine Israel war. Violence is spiking on a daily basis. Violence is spiking on a daily
45:37 basis. Um could foster a dialogue. Don't you think so? In Gaza, don't you think Palava can foster dialogue, bring together fellow Palestinians and fellow Israelis to bring them together as brothers come from the same root at the end of the day. It's unfortunate. It's unfortunate. History is not being honest. Yes, history is there, but but it's not being honest at the end of the day. So, you realize there's so much hatred. But if we sit down under the palavator, if we sit down under the palav tree, Israelis, Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians,
46:25 Egyptians, don't you think there will be peace in the Middle East? I suppose there will be peace. Israel might might bombard Palestine. Hamas might try to do this and that. his bowler might try to do this and that but at the end of the day I believe I believe we are not going anywhere as long as we don't sit down as one people through that you want as one said we need to come together as a people we need to sit down under the collaborative and we entertain each other we resolve the issue is talking Palestinians are talking of they want a
47:13 state. The Israelis are saying no they can't have a state because of security reasons. But don't you think if they sit down together with Iran, Syria, Kata, PTC, don't you think at the end of the day at the end of the day there will be peace in the Middle East? I suppose so. I suppose there will be peace in the Middle East. Hey sir, justice can't be global without ladies and gentlemen. Um in Sudan you know Sudan has been ravaged by war by conflict for some time now in Sudan through bash the premier bash bash yes you know it hasn't been
48:02 very very cooperative with the ICC. So this is one of the issue when I said there's an error in the international system. Leaders are not are not cooperating with IC leaders are not cooperating with international institutions. Netanyahu being one of them. President Putin being one of them. Bash of Sudan being one of them. And the number of so many leaders are not cooperating. So this is one of the glitch we are finding. in the system. So it's rendering the international criminal court as irrelevant, useless and a white a white
48:50 elephant. Don't you think don't you think it will play a pivotal role a strategic role or what I can call an instrumental role in bringing about peace. So in this case when you talk of Sudan's Zambia council as I've said Sudan has been ravaged by conflict for some time u missions have failed to bring peace to bring hope to the people Sudan ended up being divided due to and still as there's violence one part these rebels being supported by these western guys or whoever or some native eastern guys the other the other parties are being
49:35 supported by the northern guys or we have all these parties across the world. So now at the end of the day you realize even if you bring the IC into Uganda sorry Sudan if you bring not sicas if you bring the African Union peacekeepers they are not achieving anything tangible at the end of the day there's no hope there's no hope they can they can do whatever they they might think might work in Sudan but at the end of the day we are all hitting a brick wall but you
50:21 realize Sudan is a Sudanis now not the United Nations coming from let me say New York seconded from New York what have Sudanis done they came up with the Zande councils what are the Zande councils Z castles achieved almost 88% trust then they resolved almost 60% reparations for uh for student yes yes we are so ladies and gentlemen yes so um as I've highlighted the council
51:07 these uh Sudan initiated Sudan initiated uh efforts to bring about peace in their own communities not UN initiated. So in this case I'm not writing off the United Nations or the ICC but in this case I'm simply saying since there's an error in our peace keeping missions how best can the UN the IC and it could also be the European Union and any other international institutions. How best can they capacitate local efforts? How best can they capacity indigenous knowledge system in bringing about hope
51:52 and bring about peace and restorative justice amongst the local communities? Yes, Peter. Next, next slide. Are you seeing it? African conflicts. Yes. Yes. Okay. African complex. I will read
52:38 through. I'll take you through um ladies and gentlemen IK indigenous knowledge system is quite effective and it's quite a reliable tool for or reliable instruments which has proven to be um of great success. in African context and it's not repetition IS dialogue cut tension by almost 45%.
53:26 Mosambian reduce violence by tree. Yes, but you know but but it's it's reasonable 30%. This outlast colonial legacies. Can regional peace thrive without indigenous knowledge systems or rooted wisdom? I don't think so. regional peace cannot thrive without indigenous knowledge system wisdom. We need knowledge system in every effort we do. It could be the Middle East state. It could be in the Far East. Could be Taiwan. The Taiwani Chinese conflict could be in Vietnam. It could be in Cambodia. It could be
54:14 Tanzania, Sudan, Moritania. So, can regional peace drive without rooted wisdom? No, it cannot region. No, it cannot rise without knowledge. Wisdom. Um, next slide please. Hi, Peter. Yes. Can you see it?
54:59 I think from my site embedding IKS in global regional systems. No, it's fine but I can't see on the screen but let me take you through. Um so ladies and gentlemen, we need to not to say we need to but I call for the integration of indigenous knowledge system into into the United Nations EOS international courts or the European Union reports in bring about peace. It could be in Ukraine. It could be in Africa or the Middle East or it could be South
55:46 America. We need to mandate IKS in UN solutions. It's not about delegating a 50 million peacekeeping mission to Lebanon to Israel. You have seen in Israel, the IDF is penetrating through the UN peace peacekeeping missions in bombarding Lebanon. So can we say UN peace peacekeeping missions are are of any use in today's world? No, they are of no use. But yet we need them. But here I'm simply saying why can't we integrate
56:32 knowledge system in their efforts bring it together in the Libanese government and the Israelites. Don't you think that will work? Yes, I believe so. I believe it will work for these are the same people the one and the same at the end of the day. Let's train peacekeepers in Palava. When these peacekeepers are seconded to Sudan, they're seconded to Northern Mozambique. They are seconded to Ukraine or any sport across the world. Let them go there with fully equipped. But at the end of
57:18 the day, it's not about them reducing what should be done, but it's about them equipping locals equipping locals in skills or with enough resources to enable the locals to come together to enable the locals, the sites, their effects to enable the locals share that interconnectedness that Ubuntu approach which I highlighted that Ubuntu that don't you think if this peace missions or even if the IC if the ICC manage to come up with such an initiative don't do you think there will
58:04 be there will be peace in the world yes I suppose so and we need to add to ICC Can be mandated by that ignores indigenous knowledge? No, we need to reform the policies, ladies and gentlemen. Yes, we need to re reform the policies. Um, Peter, the last slide now.
58:53 Is it displaying? No, but not but it's fine. I was policy reforms. IS advocacy. Yes. Yes. I think I'm done with that one. Okay. Oh, thanks Janet. Jennet, thank you so much. You hold that there's a tree in Spain. That is where why I can't read the full message. Oh, that's good. That's a approach. Thank you so much for that simple
59:43 Jet. Um, we need ladies and gentlemen, I'm so happy to hear that Spain is practicing there's something but of which is my first time to hear about all these things. Thank you so much Jenn for that. Thank you. You're welcome. Whenever you're ready, I think we have some questions for you and some comments. Whenever you're ready. No, it's fine. I'm almost done, Dennis. I'm almost done. Okay. Thank you. Yes. Um, so ladies and gentlemen, we need to institutionalize system. It could be the in AUD uh peacekeeping
1:00:29 missions. We need to find research. yesterday. It's unfortunate um it's unfortunate such research won't normally get funding and at the end of the day at the end of the day ladies and gentlemen uh I want to ask what future for peace without I plural knowledge. What's future for peace without additional knowledge plural knowledge? That is the closing for this slides which is the second last. So for the last slide which is the conclusion and now I'm saying now we need to
1:01:15 reboot. Now when we reboot from my understanding and from the research which has been done uh it's unfortunate the BBC slides or the screenshots which I taken even western media western researchers can agree that most of these institutions United Nations peacekeeping missions. I see these European Union efforts when it comes to peacekeeping, they've become resented. Their efforts
1:02:01 uh they they haven't produced anything tangible. they then produce something that has brought hope to the to the local communities or to the local people or to the um to the affected communities of states of the world. So what needs to be done? What needs to be done? We need to reboot. We need to reboot. We need to reboot. Let's advocate I in peacekeeping missions. Can peace thrive without it ontological depth? No. Can peace thrive without it? Without onlogical depth, ladies and
1:02:49 gentlemen, can peace thrive without indigenous knowledge systems ontological dep? No. It's a big no. And it has been proven we need at whatever cost. We need at whatever cost to address the knowledge system. Yes. The scientists, the academics, the researchers, they're saying no, it's not scientific. It hasn't been proven but it has worked and it is working especially in the global south and also in the global in the global north. So ladies and gentlemen, allow me to uh to end here and Peter, thank you so
1:03:37 much for assisting and uh George much appreciated for your efforts. I'm so much grateful for your thoughts and ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for taking your time to listen to my presentation and I'm sorry for the glitches which have encountered the presentation. I believe next time, next time uh this will happen despite it being beyond my control. Thank you so much once again ladies and gentlemen. I appreciate your input. So over to George. Yeah, thank you so much indeed, Emmanuel, for this presentation with lots of facts and figures and
1:04:23 um your call for action that uh we need to advocate indigenous knowledge systems because you found uh that other systems don't seem to be working as they should be. So you inviting us to go back to the like apply the gacha system in Rwanda for example or the Palava and the peace gardens and I think all these are just wonderful ideas. Now I'd like to ask uh participants on this call to ask questions or make comments. There are several in chat but please just feel free to ask a question. Raise your hand and then we will ask the
1:05:10 speaker to respond. Yes, please Janet. Well, thank you. Thank you to all of us for bearing with the difficulties we've had here with um um with technology which in a way makes your point Emanuel that's it you know we've held a kind of solidarity with you going through this and and I'm grateful to everyone here who who b you know stayed with the process Here's my um I think you nailed some very important is nailing a
1:05:55 violent I think you really grasped some very key points and one of them is I mean I'm going to phrase it differently the intentional point of domination is I I is of one system over another. I mean the intentional point is domination of one system over another. In other words, scientific knowledge it's very important because a certain expertise can be developed. But why should we accept that that's the only kind of knowledge? As you explained over and
1:06:41 over in many for many dimensions the human dimension is left out. So how can you have peace which is a very humanfelt and uh you know well-being is not a scientific term. It's a human to human term. Peace is a not it can be defined as state to state but we're looking for human to human beyond state peace and so therefore the point is so well taken that indigenous systems and face to face and sitting around a tree or making a peace garden or having
1:07:27 um uh cir any kind of peace circles and community building, connecting is what is intentionally left out of many of these systems. And I would just two points. I would disagree that with the complete dismissal of the UN and the complete dismissal of the IC even though they're very because they're involved with great powers that are at the heart of domination across the world. At the same time, from my experience, you can learn
1:08:12 an enormous amount by the gatherings that they can afford to bring together, which most of us cannot all over the world except here. We have it in in our internet gathering thanks to George and the whole group, Egon and others. And okay my second point is as a peace educator I ask and this is refers to my last comment. How can we understand different different frameworks for looking at peace? like a legal framework may have some use and a local indigenous
1:09:00 andor community processes also are legitimate and essential and the fight is to make them have more credibility across across uh the fight is to re reclaim the voices of humans. humans and people so that not internet or the UN or the United States or other military powers can dominate. How do we keep connecting? Because what you're saying is just totally essential. There's no peace without indigenous knowledge systems and the incorporation of the people who are
1:09:46 part of those communities. So I thank you very much for that essential key point. Thank you so much Janet. And maybe Emanuel would like to respond to that in that regard. But thank you so much uh Janet. I really appreciate for um I really appreciate your input and I believe from here we have a lot to learn. We have a lot to learn and work on. Yes, I do agree with you that we cannot totally uh get rid of the United
1:10:32 Nations of which all the countries across the world they are secretary to the UN to the United Nations. Yes, I really agree with you. But I suggest that as an individual I suggest that the best we can do is for the UN to support local structures, local communities in addressing some of the conflicts, some of the tensions, some of the conflicts which are simmering in local communities or in regions across the world. Unlike the you and as you said, I like how you put it across. We talked about the exclusion of human dimensions. Yes, it's not about Washington UN Plaza deciding on what needs to be done in Manza
1:11:17 Tanzania but it's about UN supporting mana people Tanzanians in peace uh peace building or peacekeeping efforts. I really I really appreciate your input. Um maybe George you can assist me in the in responding to the to the second question which Janet asking. Thank you so much. Okay. Let me ask Janice just to rephrase it. That should be easier. Okay. Well, let me let me say that um I'm not sure exactly what my second question was, but let me say I was involved for 25 years in local, you know, Palestinians and
1:12:04 Israelis and people around the world, not everyone, you know, but have been working to end the conflict with and for example, our international institute in peace education in 2008 eight was incredible in terms of you know all the like bedawins Zionist uh anti-Zionist Orthodox you know socialists kabutim Israelis you know people it brought together literally people who represented different conflicts uh and different groups within in the Israeli
1:12:49 Palestinian conflict and we it was amazing because there was so much tension in the beginning but by the end there was real true hope and okay so we had it in July in August the Israeli government started bombing Gaza and that broke all the relationships that broke all the connections no one could go on this current You know, so there are these great p great I mean by gigantic wealthy militarized powers that can break humanto human relationships and
1:13:36 like Trump now is starting is trying to make all of us afraid of each other. All of us hate each other. all of us turning in the United States against each other and our we're trying with our version of small groups and community organizing to resist that but we don't know we know that we can be snuffed out so these things are always ongoing so I don't know if I have a qu I my question would be h how do you blend how do you make internet like a indigenous knowledge
1:14:22 system. You mentioned that and I I'd like to hear more. Thank you. Thank you for the extra time, George, too. Thank you, Janet. And as he's um preparing for that question, let's turn to Noat. Noat. Thank you very much, George. And thank you other participants in this particular presentation in particular Mr. Emanuel. He has presented a very good topic with a lot of support from literature.
1:15:08 H as I said in the the past that my areas of professionalism is conservation and nowadays we have a lot of degradation of natural resources and many frameworks are now trying to go back to indigenous knowledge systems especially in addressing the topical issues like climate change, loss of biodiversity and so on. And to me, I would suggest that we look for the frameworks that integrates indigenous
1:15:55 knowledge [Music] systems and Ubuntu within existing structures and organs because in the conservation we are using the conventions which are existing organs and structures. For example, I heard from the previous speaker that also it might be very difficult to bypass this organs such as United Nations. We have also the regional traits which we cannot for example bypass but blending indigenous knowledge systems together with other peaceful
1:16:40 frameworks it can help us in establishing peace building in Africa. I've been looking at the concept of IC intercultural competencies and peace building and I heard also from the presentation that uh even in in other places people used to designate a particular tree. That's where the elderly people sit and resolve some issues. Especially when there have been quarrels among couples from younger families. They used to be brought to a certain family and they sit under a particular tree where no younger people
1:17:29 are allowed to to even play around. So this is indigenous knowledge system that used to to be used to embrace peace within families because elderly people thought that by having peaceful families you establish peaceful societies and these are my my observation from this presentation but we may also integrate the technology How can technology be used to blend these things? These are are the issues which are looking I'm looking at it in in terms of conservation perspectives because we are
1:18:15 now even looking at how can IS contribute to restoration of the loss of the indigenous plants. Thank you Mr. George and thank you also Mr. Emanuel for this wonderful presentation. Thank you. Yeah, thank you so much indeed, Norbert and Richard. You're welcome to ask your question or make your comment, please. Richard, come in. I'm coming. Sorry, I had a short challenge. A small
1:19:02 challenge. Yeah. uh with the IPS. I believe within within uh the system of uh peace burden that exists in the form of uh uh United Nations but uh to see if one it cannot hold on to it what is mand that is where the official peace building like uh uh UN and uh the uh what's it au comes in. So I I I believe it is there not that it's not in at all. It is there but uh when it
1:19:49 looks so fragile that can cause threat to uh the UN orans I think uh they come so they working. Thank you. That's the piece of uh contribution that I I I I right. Thank you so much Richard and um Emmanuel if you hear us. The question is how can we use the internet uh to bring about peace? Okay. Thank you so much. Do Janet I haven't forgot tell you your question.
1:20:37 Uh but let me answer uh to this gentleman. Thank you so much. Uh uh there's one issue which we are all fighting against when it comes to the internet because you realize there's so much propaganda, there's so much trolling on the internet, so much disinformation and misinformation. So I believe at the end of the day the most important thing we need to work on we need to work on as a as a people specialist government is to work on disinformation and misinformation um because I think we are all aware on how certain parties certain parties for example it
1:21:24 could be it could be in this case a good example of the Ukraine, the Ukraine Palest, sorry, Ukraine Russian conflict. You realize the Kremlin has flooded, they flooded the internet because they have the capacity with um let me say disinformation, misinformation. So now at the end of the day, Ukraine is also doing the same thing. It's also sewing disinformation on the internet. Trump comes on board. So now you realize yes the internet plays plays a very very critical role in bringing about peace but at the end of the day I feel as of now the internet is too too polluted is too
1:22:11 polluted to rely on as a means of bring about peace but I'm not saying you can write it off but I think it's too polluted because at the end of the day the opinions of people are being twisted by powers that be by uh information facts data it is seen it's all misconn you personally I don't feel the internet can be reliable too when it comes to peace building when it comes to conflict mediation when it comes to bring about hope amongst the
1:22:56 So I feel the human touch, the human dimension plays a better role than making use of the internet, but I'm not writing it off. I'm not writing it off. George, over to you. Yes, I know I was not prepared for this question. I was not prepared for this question. George, over to you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much indeed. and Peter please. Oh, thank you. Uh, first I so much appreciate your wonderful questions which I listed in the chat, can justice be global without indigenous knowledge systems
1:23:41 proven efficacy and so on. Uh these are absolutely thought-provoking, inspiring questions. What came to mind was in my work which is about the change from an information-based economy to an attention-based economy on the world brought about by the internet connection. the accelerated pace of events because spectacle moves people so much faster and more passionately than data. It operates on our emotions and not our intellect. So the courts and the
1:24:27 international institutions uh still rely on data. If you go into the United States Congress, you see everything move at a snail's pace because it has to have paper. So they can do nothing until the information catches up to events and by that time everything has changed again and the information is no longer usable. the the disruption accelerates and scales up and we have difficulty perceiving acceleration and scale. I'm guessing that our
1:25:13 ancestors did not survive those lessons because you have to fall from a great height to understand acceleration at scale. So, but indigenous knowledge systems have a chance in this new world because they're grounded not in information but in attention and not in time but in presence. So, I just uh want to throw that out and see what you think. And thank you for this excellent, wonderful, in spite of my ham-handed uh handling of the technology.
1:26:02 Yeah, it wasn't your fault, Peter. Yeah. Thank you so much. And uh for It's all my fault. I'll take everything. It's all my fault. Israel, Palestine, the whole thing. So we we share that we we share that responsibility. Thank you so much indeed. So the dawn of the attention age is here and Richard you've raised your hand. Yeah. Yes please. Uh later did I realize that a question was thrown on a how can internet help in peace build I guess I'm right hello
1:26:49 so the question was how the internet can help you know in bringing about peace. Oh yes. Uh I think uh uh it has been the the fastest uh what is it? Uh way of uh uh uh uh building or creating avenue for peace. uh we we are even contributing to peace but using the media using the internet others are also using the same and at times to when when they want to uh when these uh uh what is it uh
1:27:35 uh the sense soldiers at time they use they use internet to to communicate rather and just confronting the bullets just like that. So I think the intent uh is thank you. Yeah. Thank you so much Richard. Now the last person to make a comment will be um honestly just Joe. You could also please end this webinar for today. Joe with your question or comment. Joe, are you there?
1:28:24 Yes. Hello. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Uh yes. Uh thank you so much. I love this this this this presentation. Uh I just want I wanted to talk about the internet and how it will help. One realization I've been having is that actually the internet is still very young. And I like that we're asking how it can help. Uh but I would like us to realize that it has already started help. Uh because uh I I would say like with me a lot of the things that I know that I feel like are important that have to do with anything or benefiting the world
1:29:10 and all that. I've learned a lot from the internet. So now I think we're at a time where we just have to curate the internet uh to make the world better. like in in like I love this platform this forum that we have because I love the the knowledge that we are bringing together and also creating as we interact. So like uh a place like this would be a good fountain for whoever's looking for uh knowledge and information on a lot of these things that we're talking about. So like if more things like this can populate the the the the the internet that's how we're actually now speeding up this process that
1:29:56 actually started the moment where a lot of us started having access to the internet and the knowledge and information that is out there that we wouldn't have if we didn't have like access to technology. All right. Thank you so much Joe and uh on that note I would like to thank you all for your participation today and especially thank our speaker today Emmanuel and broken praise for your wonderful presentation and once again sorry for the yeah the glitch that you've had and I wish you all the best. See you next Wednesday. Bye-bye for now.
1:30:42 Oh, thank you to everyone. I'm so much grateful and Jet your questions we will be and all the questions which have been raised I believe I'm going to take them up and who knows George you might come up with something with regard to IKE building let me follow up Emmanuel by bringing up the point that isn't this an example of the peace of building through the internet and although we're not all from the same indigenous community or maybe not even like I don't think I'm really indigenous I'm diasporic so but we make a little
1:31:29 version of it don't we think that's what we try so your point is exemplified here I think Emmanuel and thank you so much I agree with you Janet 100% of No, thanks so much. George, over to you. Yeah, thank you so much, Emmanuel. Thank you so much. I see you next week.
