Why didn't JESUS know the DAY or the HOUR? | Sam Shamoun

Brief Summary

This video addresses the apparent contradiction of Jesus, portrayed as Jehovah in the Gospels, not knowing everything, specifically "the day or hour" of his return. It explains that Jesus, as God, willingly took on human limitations, including a human mind with limited knowledge. This doesn't diminish his deity but highlights the complexity of his dual nature—both divine and human. The video also touches on how Christians and cults often overemphasise one nature over the other, and how this passage is misused by other religions.

  • Jesus willingly accepted human limitations to experience the human condition fully.
  • Jesus possesses both a divine nature with omniscience and a human nature with limited knowledge in his waking consciousness.
  • Understanding the layers of human consciousness helps to comprehend how Jesus could not "know" something in his human state while still being God.

Mark and Matthew portray Jesus as Jehovah

The speaker establishes that both Mark and Matthew intentionally depict Jesus as Jehovah God incarnate. This sets the stage for the central question: if Jesus is Jehovah, shouldn't he possess complete knowledge of all things? This initial assertion is crucial for understanding the subsequent discussion about the apparent limitations of Jesus's knowledge as portrayed in the Gospels.

If Jesus is God, why doesn’t He know everything?

The speaker poses the question of why Jesus doesn't know "the day or hour" if he is Jehovah, who knows all things. The answer lies in the concept that Jehovah became man, taking on human limitations to fully experience the human condition, except for sin. This introduces the idea of Jesus having both divine omniscience and human limitations, which is a key point in understanding the Trinity.

Jesus became man and accepted human limitations

The speaker elaborates on the idea that Jesus willingly took on human limitations. It shouldn't be surprising that Jesus, as a human, had to grow, learn, sleep, get tired, eat, and bathe. As a true human baby, he would have experienced pain and discomfort. This highlights the reality of Jesus's incarnation and his genuine experience of the human condition.

The reality of Jesus’ full humanity

The speaker continues to emphasise the completeness of Jesus's humanity. To be truly human, Jesus had to experience hunger, thirst, and physical growth. He would have suffered from common ailments like earaches and colds. The speaker stresses that a true human mind cannot be omniscient, implying that Jesus's human mind also had limitations.

The impossibility of an omniscient human mind

The speaker argues that if Jesus possessed a truly human mind, it couldn't be omniscient because no human mind is. If Jesus's human mind were all-knowing, he wouldn't be truly human, echoing Gnostic beliefs that deny the true humanity of Christ. This reinforces the importance of acknowledging both the divine and human natures of Jesus.

Divine and human natures in one Person

The speaker explains that Jesus, as God, possesses omniscience, but as a man with a human mind, he cannot know everything. These two natures remain distinct within one person, fully possessing the attributes of both deity and humanity without mixing or confusing them. This concept, while difficult to fully comprehend, is presented as a biblical truth.

Christians overemphasizing deity, cults overemphasizing humanity

The speaker points out that Christians often overemphasise Jesus's deity at the expense of his humanity, while cults or anti-Trinitarians do the opposite, sometimes denying his deity altogether. It's crucial to avoid saying that Jesus relinquished his deity, as God cannot cease being God. However, God doesn't always fully utilise all his attributes, just as the Father constrains himself.

Mark 13:32 in context: ascending order of creation

Returning to Mark 13:32, the speaker explains that humans wouldn't know the hour because God is hidden from them unless he chooses to reveal himself. Even angels in heaven, who are close to God, don't know. The speaker presents a hierarchy: Creator, creation (angels, humans). Jesus places himself above all creation, differentiating himself from angels and humans, and claiming to be the true son of the Father.

Jesus places Himself above all created beings

The speaker analyses Mark 13:32, highlighting that Jesus distinguishes himself from all of creation (angels and humans), placing himself above it and identifying as the true son of the Father. This implies that Jesus is on the same side as the Father, separate from creation, despite becoming human. This interpretation supports the deity of Christ even within a passage often used to argue against it.

Refuting Islamic misuse of Mark 13:32

The speaker addresses how Muslims might use Mark 13:32 to argue against Christ's deity. The speaker suggests countering by pointing out that the verse actually proves Jesus is the true son of the Father, greater than all creation, including Muhammad. This challenges the Muslim's belief that Jesus is not the son of God and that Muhammad is superior to him.

Jesus knows in divine nature, not in waking human consciousness

The speaker clarifies that Jesus knows the hour in his divine nature but not in his waking human consciousness. As a man, Jesus only knows what the Father wants him to know and reveal. This distinction is crucial for understanding how Jesus can be both fully God and fully human, with different aspects of his being possessing different levels of knowledge.

Layers of human consciousness and Jesus’ knowledge

The speaker uses the analogy of human consciousness to explain Jesus's knowledge. Humans have layers of consciousness, including a waking consciousness and a subconsciousness, where information is stored but not always accessible. Similarly, Jesus has layers of consciousness, with his waking human consciousness not having access to the full omniscience of his divine mind.

Why you shouldn’t be shocked Jesus didn’t “know”

The speaker concludes by reiterating that it shouldn't be shocking that Jesus didn't "know" the day or hour on one level, as he only knew what the Father wanted him to know in his waking consciousness. Just as humans have deeper levels of subconscious knowledge, Jesus has a deeper human consciousness and a divine mind that knows far more than his waking consciousness. This reinforces the idea that Jesus's limitations in his human state don't negate his divine nature.

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0:00 Okay. So now, is it clear Mark and Matthew have gone out of their way to depict Jesus as Jehovah God in the flesh? Right? Not just Matthew, but Mark, right? Was that clear? Just want to make sure it's clear. Amen. First and last. So here's my question. If it's clear, they've portrayed Jesus as Jehovah. If he's Jehovah, doesn't Jehovah know all things? Doesn't Jehovah know all things? So if Jesus is Jehovah, he has to know everything. He has to know everything. So why doesn't he know the dare hour? Here's where you're going to have to learn your faith. Why doesn't he know the dare hour? Because the whole story

0:47 of the New Testament, the story of the Gospels is Jehovah became man. Jehovah became flesh. Jehovah became a human being and humbled himself to take on human limitations, to experience human limitations in order to experience what it's like to be a true human being with limitations with the exception of sin. So why would it shock you if Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are portraying Jesus as God Almighty who willfully condescended, humbly condescended to become an actual human being, to take on an actual human nature, to experience actual human limitations.

1:33 Why then would it shock you that there's a sense in which because he's man, he has to grow. Because he's man, he has to learn. Because he's man, he has to sleep. Because he's man, he gets tired, fatigue. Because he's man, he has to eat. Because his man, he has to bathe. And if he truly became a human baby, a true human baby, not a phantom baby, that he would cry because he would have stomach pains, toothaches, earachches. He would lose his baby teeth because he chose to become truly human to experience the human condition in all its fullness with the exception of sin. Would Jesus be truly human if he didn't hunger? Would he be truly human if he

2:20 didn't thirst? Would he be truly human if he didn't grow, go from a babe to a toddler to a child to an adolescent to an adult? Okay. Would he be true human if his physical body didn't change as he grew older? That he had the shape of a baby, then the shape of a toddler, then no. Would he be truly human if he didn't experience earachches, tooth aches, right? Ear infections, got the common cold. And would he truly be human? Would a true human mind if in his human mind he was omnisient? Which human being is omnisient? No human being. No human being is omnisient. No human being can

3:05 be omnisient. So if Jesus is truly human with a true human mind, if it's truly a human mind, then in his human mind, he can't know everything. Otherwise, he doesn't really truly have a human mind. Jesus can't be truly human possessing a human mind. If his human mind is omnisient, then he's not truly human. And then we end up becoming like the gnostics who denied that the divine Christ became truly human. But no, he is truly human. You understand? Now, is it sinking in? I'm going real slow because I want this to sink in to understand what is incomprehensible. You're going to get an

3:52 idea. Oh, okay. But you won't fully comprehend because God is an infinite mind beyond human comprehension. That doesn't mean you won't see it. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how it works, but yeah, I can see. Yeah. Okay. As man with a human mind, his human mind can't know everything, but he's also God. And as God, he possesses omniscience. But somehow the two natures remain distinct. They infuse into each other. So one person had two natures that he didn't fuse into each other. They remained distin distinct and he fully possessed all the attributes of deity and humanity but they didn't get mixed up or garbled in. I don't know how that works but I can see that's what the Bible say.

4:38 Right? Is that clear? Just before I move on because we're going to go back to Mark 13:32. So should it shock you that Jesus who's truly human could say of the dare hour no man knows neither angels of heaven nor the son. Should it shock you that if Jesus is truly human, Luke 2:40 and 22 could say the boy grew in stature and wisdom and favor between God and man. Should it shock you that the Jesus of history, who's the Jesus of the Gospels, who's a true human being, got tired and had to rest and got hungry and had to eat and needed to sleep. If he didn't do any of that, he's not truly

5:23 human. Folks, the problem with Christians, and I'll tell you what the problem is, we overemphasize the deity of Christ at the expense of his humanity. Whereas the cults who are anti-trinitarians overemphasize his humanity at the expense of his deity or even ignore his deity altogether. See the problem? Never ever say Jesus relinquish his deity. He cannot stop being God. God can't stop being God. God can't stop being who he is. But but it doesn't mean he has to make full use of all his attributes. Right? Even now God is not unleashing all his anger and the power that enables him to unleash all his anger and all its fullness. He's

6:08 constraining himself. So but that's true of the father. The father constrains himself and doesn't make full use of all his attributes. So so the son and so the spirit three persons who possess the same essence fully completely. So if that made sense, let's go back to Mark 13:32. So Jesus said, "No human nose." All right. Well, that's to be expected because unless God appears visibly and wants his voice to be heard audibly to the people on heaven, God remains invisible in secret to you human beings. So, okay, that makes sense. Humans won't know the hour because God is hidden to them unless he wants to appear. And he does, but that's rare. That's not often. Neither the angels in heaven. And as I showed yesterday, the Bible says angels,

6:54 these spirit creatures are in heaven beholding God visibly and hearing God's voice audibly. Even though they're that close and they see God's visible glory and hear his voice audibly, they don't know. Well, according to the Bible, that's all creation. So, here's the line. Imagine a line. Creator, creation, angels, humans, that's it. What's left is now the creator. But now notice where Jesus placed himself. Notice where Jesus placed himself in that list. Mark 13:32. Though he became human, he's not merely human. Notice it's in ascending order. No humans, neither angels, that's creation, nor the son, but the father alone. So wait, Jesus, you just

7:41 differentiated yourself from all angels and humans. That means all creation. and you place yourself above all creation and even claim to be the true son of the father. Notice in that list, he alone is the son to the father. Everything else is a creation. So even in this passage, if you properly understand it and you have eyes to see and ears to hear, Jesus just showed I am the true son of the father. I'm on the same side that the father is separated from creation. angels and humans, creation creatures. I'm not among them, though I became human. I'm part of this side of the divide. I'm on the same side that my father is because I'm his son and belong to him. So even the passage

8:29 that they use to try to disprove Christ's deity shows he is the eternal son greater than all creation who belongs to the father. So if a Muslim brings it up, this is what you tell the Muslim. Muslim, thank you for again proving to me Muhammad is a son of Satan, an antichrist, and your Quran is a book of the devil. Why? This passage just proves I could never be a Muslim and Muhammad is a fraud. What do you mean? Do you believe Jesus is the son to the father? No. But you just quoted a verse where Jesus says he is the son, the true son of the father. That's number one. Number two, do you believe that Jesus is greater than all humans? That means he's greater than your Muhammad and your Muhammad is beneath his feet. No. Do you believe Jesus is

9:15 greater than all angels and humans combined? No. So why are you quoting this? Why are you quoting the verse that proves your Muhammad is beneath the feet of Jesus? Jesus is the true son who's greater than all creation. None of which you can accept. Okay. So Mark 13:32, why doesn't Jesus the son know the hour? In one sense he does know it in respect to his spirit divine nature but in another sense as a man in his human mind in his waking consciousness he doesn't know all things he only knows what the father wants him to know and to relay in his waking consciousness in his human mind in respect to his human nature let me repeat the answer and I'm going to

10:01 unpack this here's the answer in respect to Jesus's divine nature he knows everything even the day hour. But remember Jesus has a true human nature and part of that nature he has a human mind and as a human being with a human nature he has layers of consciousness in respect to his human nature in his waking human consciousness. What do I mean waking human consciousness? See I'm awake right now. This is my waking consciousness. I'm not asleep. In his waking consciousness, he cannot know everything. He cannot have access to the full omniscience that he has as God because then he wouldn't be truly human and wouldn't be a truly human mind. He only

10:47 knows and retains and recalls what the father wants him to know and retain and recall in respect to his human waking consciousness in respect to his human nature. Now what's my point? We are temporal, finite, imperfect human beings. And notice how complex our humanity is, how complex our physiology is, how complex our minds and brains are. In that as a human being, I have layers of consciousness. I have the waking consciousness and I have a subconsciousness. And this is a fact that human beings are able to retain and keep tons of information on a

11:34 subconscious level that they don't have access to when they're awake. Now, explain how that works. How is it when I'm awake I do not recall remember all that information embedded in my subconscious mind information I've been storing since the time I came came out of my mother's womb that's there intact but I can't recall it I don't remember it how's that possible can you explain it no you can't now folks if that's true of human beings who are finite ite imperfect temporal fallen creature cre creatures. If we could have layers of consciousness so in one layer we don't

12:19 know everything that we know on a deeper level and a deeper layer. Why would it then shock you that when it comes to Jesus who has a human nature and part of that human nature has all these layers of consciousness and then you add a divine nature and he becomes so mind-boggling that in one sense he doesn't know that they are our another sense he knows all things and we can't figure out how that works. Why would that shock you when we have something similar going on with human beings and we only have one nature that's limited and temporal and we have layers of consciousness on my waking conscious I don't know everything that I know on a deeper subconscious level how does that work so then why would you be shocked that Jesus the God man on one

13:05 level he doesn't know the dare hour he only knows what the father wants him to know in his waking consciousness and what his father wants him to reveal but there's a deeper level to Jesus even on the human level. There's a deeper human consciousness to Jesus. And then there is a divine mind that Jesus possesses in which he knows a lot more than he does in his waking consciousness. So why should you be shocked?

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