14 Year Old Killer Thinks He's Going Home

0:00 in the evening hours of March 24 2014 police responded to a shooting at a residence in Coeur d'Alene Idaho little did they know they were walking into the home of someone so obsessed with zombies that they not only believed they were real but he and his son were actually preparing for the zombie apocalypse what police found inside the house was more horrific and bizarre than they could have ever imagined blood trails along this hallway leads into this room there's a lot of weird people okay that mug says this is my zombie killing mug music [Music]

0:47 I do not have to do anything that trolls this is a bachelor's degree do you believe in the zombie apocalypse you believe that's going to happen probably when police arrived at the house they discovered that the 9-1-1 call reporting the shooting had been placed by the 14 year old they found him waiting outside got some blood on them right there can we figure out what's going on bud okay as police will soon find out the story about how he came to be covered in blood as even more Twisted than they ever

1:33 could have imagined for everyone's safety deputies still need to secure the house and verify if there's anyone else inside the home what they discover is nothing short of Haunting the following footage has never been seen before I've got blood footprints on the ground in there but before you go in just a minute please come out with your hands up site in the kitchen clear all the way to the window he said the gun's on the counter it's right there on the left okay guys copy yeah she see this window copy I'm going behind you

2:19 there's somebody back there maybe yep something okay I'll hold this on the right if you go through the left oh clear clear I'm gonna pull this blanket you guys get a visual on this guy okay heads got it one male looks deceased this is the second one second juvenile okay appears to be deceased as well I'm gonna pie in okay got it I don't see anybody in the bathroom

3:05 there's still a shower back there okay I'm going through clear if you want I'm gonna go through and clear the bathroom hey go ahead bathroom's clear um and leg I got a door here on my check correlate please come out your hands up foreign

3:52 clear absolutely I'm gonna check for pulsing the dad still warm I can't feel it yep yeah checking wrist I can't tell it's my heart racing or his I'll grab you one nap okay come bring them in bring them in I got a flight flight pulse I can't tell if it's minor his are you sure no I can't tell if it's my heart racing or his it's slight though whatever it is doing okay me yeah sure yeah sure cut from my hand it's kind of hurts

4:38 you trying to scoot your butt board just a little bit and it gets your hands a little bit more room it appears that there's no one else in the house save for not one but two bodies they find in one of the bedrooms both are deceased and it becomes apparent rather quickly that what happened here is much more complicated than a shooting a variety of weapons are found strewn about the house and blood snakes its way through the hallway the living room bathroom and bedrooms looks like he shot dad and his brother was a machete even more disturbing the juvenile found dead looks to have been the target of a large machete found on the kitchen floor outside deputies prepare to take the surviving boy for questioning we're gonna go right this way pal okay

5:24 I don't know if he's been searched or anything so okay just face it down 9-1-1 there's 300 feet before we put him in I want to take photos of him yep just stay there bud what's this in your pocket he he's the what School the locker at school and my law for two months you said Your name's Alvin Alvin Alvin with an e yeah I want to grab my camera go and open your hands for me I'll be awesome yeah there was let's go ahead and uh switch out his cuffs you want to go behind the car right there that'll broadcast them well I'm going to switch out his cuffs just stay where you are

6:11 did I tell you to move I didn't tell you to move though okay I'll tell you to do something before you do it all right Alvin I want you to look at that dial 9-1-1 quit moving around stop moving stop moving do you understand what I mean by stop moving okay stop moving okay Alvin we're gonna get in the back of this okay go ahead turn around sit slide in um all right I'll meet you over there the crime scene has piqued the interest of passers-by and neighbors Who police start to gather information from so explain to me the circumstances of this being a St Vincent's home it's just like a halfway house or okay so what's

6:57 going on this is an emergency shelter for families emergency shelter okay yeah we just reopened it he was renting it and who's he Eldon Samuels okay he's the father and how many kids did he have in the home two okay do you know their names yes Jonathan and Eldon um that would his one son is autistic which one's that um Jonathan Jonathan's autistic the boy now in the back of the police cruiser is Eldon Samuel III the two dead males inside are his father Eldon Samuel Jr who we will refer to as Junior and Eldon's younger brother Jonathan Samuel the family moved to Coeur D'alene from California the summer prior and lived in the emergency shelter home hey Alvin

7:44 yeah is anybody in that trailer no not no probably not your dad was in there earlier do you know what he was doing no no I don't really think there's anybody in there how come the heaters on in there in there you hear it's not in there from the trailer someone's probably in it all right stay put until I tell you step out thank you that's such a rush what's that it's just a rush how was your brother I don't know he don't know 13 it sounds like from mobile home the Wilden is apparently unsure his younger brother Jonathan is in fact 13. all right just standing right here for a minute

8:30 your last name Samuels last name is Samuels show me going come on it's called me thanks how old are you okay detectives photograph Eldon and take his blood-stained clothes for evidence nervous yeah okay we can talk about that Eldon has questioned about the incident

9:16 that has just occurred in this never-before-seen interrogation footage the following footage has been analyzed by a qualified team including a licensed professional counselor and a licensed attorney okay so you can take a breath like like what I do if I asked to adjust my land or take a breath that's okay you don't live far from school because I've seen here at school do you remember doc gonna be in school what did we talk about because the handcuffs that's right what did we decide about the Inc codes after the detectives make Eldon comfortable they begin their interview starting with how he ended up shooting his father he says having these rights

10:02 in mind do you wish to talk to us right now do you want to talk to me and my boss about what's going on tonight all right now get up that's why we're here if you want to talk when I go over to my portable let's say just right here we'll just chat right here notice in the chat it's root no we're not going to keep you alive but just that right now so this is just because you have you have the right to talk to me like I said I have the right to talk to you so this is just saying having these rights of mine do you want to talk to me right now right now yeah like how much time they will take off 30 minutes to an hour to absolutely what I've imagined yeah I got stuff to do so you wanna chat sure okay the officer establishes that he and Eldon already know each other he

10:47 may have been brought into the interrogation specifically for this reason as Eldon may feel more comfortable having someone he knows in the room however if they have a trusting relationship beforehand then the suspect may not really understand the adversarial nature of police questioning you'll notice that the officer he knows is leaned into his personal space but only while discussing Eldon's rights and his willingness to speak with officers invading someone's personal space is a common tactic in police interrogations as it puts pressure on the other person in the state of Idaho Police are generally free to interrogate minors without any limitations Beyond constitutional Provisions that would equally apply to adults in a similar situation The Miner does not have to

11:33 have someone present to represent their interests prior to questioning until and unless the minor specifically makes a request for Council or the presence of a parent or Guardian in that case an interrogation would have to stop upon the request however there are a number of differences for a minor brought into the juvenile system for example before a miner May admit to an allegation in court the presiding judge will have to make a determination as to whether or not the admission is allowed at all so do you know why you're in the interview room with us today yes okay so explain to me what happens what do you need better again

12:18 influence medication throughout the time you've done it before but I couldn't he just being the next time yeah then he was outside just chain guns out there thinking there are zombies him and somebody go back inside mess with your dad yeah then you tell them go back inside as zeldon begins his story about his dad shooting at zombies outside he rubs his forehead and engages in more eye blocking all which are anxiety

13:05 responses however when he gets to the part of the story about being told to go back inside he makes very intense eye contact which is a shift in his behavior so far he may be watching the officer's reactions to his story closely to see if they're believing him okay he just told me to get out okay he repeats he told me to get out three times which may be him trying to solidify that part of the story so I had to know that said what system

13:51 started walking towards me if you hit me and had his gun out 40 pounds okay he hit me again so you're who had the 45 you've had it or did you get she might as if your dad's word if you keep it on the couch he had it out okay as you usually own it yeah let's just back out just a little bit then we'll get some more details when your dad hit you because you were you said he took medications or you did yeah he said he he said Frank Asians Eldon is drinking a lot of water here along with sniffing and fidgeting it's

14:39 safe to say he is highly anxious the fight or flight response can lead to dry mouth and an engorgement of the nose which causes itchiness and the need for more oxygen this would explain the frequent sniffing all of this is a red flag for markedly heightened anxiety while he should be a bit anxious in the police station he and one of the officers seem to already have a rapport so the fact that his anxiety is this high is likely throwing off serious red flags for the interrogators before hit he strikes okay was that tonight yeah the first time he says he's hit me before seems to be a question to clarify what the

15:24 officer is saying but the second still seems to have an upward inflection in his tone which can indicate uncertainty about this allegation of his dad hitting him before Eldon has also been trying to take time to think about his answer it's unlikely he didn't actually hear the officer he's just getting him to repeat questions so he has time to think about the right answer everybody on your left side okay Eldon seems to be struggling to

16:09 find where his dad hid him claiming he hit him hard makes it sound as though it may have left a bruise or soreness but he's basically pointing to all of his left upper body this is another red flag a truthful individual would have an accurate place to point to he's also been engaging in a lot of lip compression movements which once again indicates he's feeling stressed and nervous he doesn't seem to have thought this story through at all this isn't surprising since he's a very young adolescent however it's also noteworthy that Eldon isn't as intimidated as most children would be in this situation lying to two detectives in an interrogation room is certainly a bold move this demonstrates that Eldon may not fear Authority like the typical kid

16:55 would one of the features of children and teens with serious behavioral issues is a lack of respect for authority death hit me again I'm going to pull the trigger did he say anything saying that you killed me yourself okay so do you fold the trigger and you got the gun yeah okay how many times did you call the journal come on that's that one okay okay shut three times ahead three times yeah yeah and what happened okay sorry you're doing good I know it's

17:41 a tough deal we're talking about Eldon's claim that his father was outside shooting seems to be corroborated by neighbors who heard a gunshot earlier in the evening that isn't all they had to say either some of the neighbors had a few interesting things to say about the strange family next door did you hear something gunshot really sound like maybe okay just one one single round about how long ago hour ago hour and a half ago there's a lot of weird people okay okay and they just moved here my understanding here six five months maybe four months how long this been how long they've been here definitely said okay there's my drugs coming out of there okay I uh I saw him stand out here today for

18:29 about 40 minutes had a conversation with one of the gentleman in here okay look completely coherent I see I've never spoke a word with the guy kind of weird but he he comes to himself but he doesn't I mean like I said my submissions there's been something on right to that extent well we came home we just got out of the truck and see I mean I don't remember seeing he came out he was messing with us that's right who was the older gentleman he did come out and messed with the camper too well when do you think how long before you before we got almost six well yeah I'm just gonna pacing around out there I was just gonna watch him yeah like gosh it's just he's just weird because you you waved him like I said he's never sent a word to me but you waved to him and he'll just stare at you I mean it's

19:17 just always something there's fights or drugs there's I've been watching that guy do I'm pretty sure he's been dealing something out of there for a while I watched this guy coming out of his house every day I work from a whole lot today I work from home all day just went to open right I saw him you know he's he's a kind of a weird guy um just stay he he's kind of creepy he doesn't ever said a word to us in six months we lived here I believe he doesn't leave the stairs straight forward because his chain smokes like you would never believe right it's like every five minutes he's on his deck heading upstairs just stairs and Sir squats and just stares at you and it's like you feel uncomfortable if you're in a fishbowl so what's the deal with Dad I mean you mentioned uh coming out I mean he's medical calls or something yeah I don't like I said I don't know what happens but when he first moved in about and he's been here

20:03 about six months um the first couple months it just seemed like every couple weeks there was a handful ambulances cops out here and they were bringing somebody out on the stretcher you know and like he was you know maybe he was sick or something but it was but it was just then it became often and I don't know if there was like I said I don't know if there was fighting going on some whatever those reasons were and I'm not even 100 if it was the dad average I didn't might have been that older son or it might have been the other one notably he uses the phrase like I said frequently this is something called a referral statement which is often used to bolster a statement though it's usually associated with someone lying it doesn't necessarily mean that he's lying here and instead could be an indication of how uncomfortable or upset he may be by the situation which would be

20:48 understandable if you think of anything don't hesitate to call leave me a message I'll get right back with you sounds good so the idea I don't want my kids to see this you know the morning she's freaked out really bad yes I want my kids to see this if there was uh like saving adverse that needed to happen it would have happened immediately if there's some if there's something else going on we have to wait we want to make sure we do do it right so we will be here through the night back in the interrogation room Eldon explains what happened next after he shot his father he's coming too to jump the brother okay your brothers John is it John Johnson you call him

21:34 John though Jonathan so go ahead I'm sorry I'm gonna they call it the children sometimes okay but he's calling towards John so we're with John or Jonathan she's under the bed okay who's better he's the bedroom the children's picture so he has his own bedroom and he was under the bed yeah okay how do you know he was under the bed he'll run in there so trying to get out you wouldn't get out yeah yeah interestingly Eldon is rubbing the back of his neck here which may be an unconscious attempt to bring down his heart rate as rubbing the vagus nerve

22:20 can slow an anxious heartbeat he's like right there I just want him out that whatever and it turned a sort of station apart decisions from the present interest like with your hands yeah okay and what did you say to my I'm going to get out of it okay good morning yes until long ago yeah what happened after that okay

23:07 so he's now he's about your side so I mean he's not too small and I know that he doesn't like um he's got some issues with space some spatial issues you know that he doesn't took me a while for him to like me and talk to me so I was good so I'm sure if he was upset or if you're yelling at him I can see how he might act but I don't know how he acted tonight so I need you to tell me the detectives propose an alternative Theory here in the hopes that Eldon will admit to something especially if they make it seem more acceptable they seem to be saying that his brother may have acted out which would give Eldon some kind of excuse for what he did Elder knows he can claim his dad them as an excuse but explaining viciously

23:52 murdering his brother is another story entirely she tells you know yeah still a problem person yeah okay that was before a crawling trying to get up useful with the shocker who was dead okay images started pouring a child just try it so who shot is that shot John yeah he did with the shotgun yeah okay

24:44 two times a Time we could start two times yeah okay a long time ago Eldon has sounded a bit unsure throughout the interview so far but here he sounds even more uncertain and there's an upward inflection in his voice as he goes to show two fingers he can't quite get his body to cooperate and it's a weak hand motion he immediately returns back to self-soothing rubbing on his leg above his knee okay what do you need what is it to you what does it sound like you said you heard it before okay how can you see it no remember and you were all in John's room okay

25:29 and I'm sorry man but it said sometimes I'm a little slow so I'm just kind of losing track of where everybody was and so you're dead you said that you shot him at the stomach 25 away once again Elden covers his mouth after saying he crawled away this part may not be a lie necessarily but there could be something he's intentionally leaving out in this part of the story and he crawled up to the insurance okay so now I'm tracking so if you don't want to pick up I'm right there so you're down to a shot in the belly and he crawl up to John's bedroom and where are you I was going to go over there but where are you we're in the house because I'm not familiar with your house I was just standing there where like standing in the living room

26:16 okay perfect thank you that's what I was missing I didn't know you know what if I'm not there I'm not sure who's wearing so so your dad's crawling yeah they are standing just watching them if like what do I do I don't know what to do sure it sounds like you paused like a shovel thing so when your dad was crawled to John did he have the shotgun yeah or did he get the shotgun he's wearing my desk try it try to shoot me but he's stuck so he just pulled the trigger and his

27:03 John the league okay did you see that no no while rubbing his head Eldon has started doing something odd with his feet he brings his foot forward and Tucks the toes under while clenching them it's almost like his feet are taking the place of his hands for anxiety displays since he seems to be working at not using his hands too much we don't get to see this often since most people's feet are usually covered but feet can still indicate how people feel we learn to lie with our words and to a certain extent with our face and hands as we're growing up these are the Tails we're used to looking for but most people never focus on the feed additionally it would be extremely difficult to concentrate on

27:49 the right words facial expressions hand movements and feet movements that's just a huge cognitive load on an individual you know don't shot in the lake because she out yield on the lake okay and so I went outside how I couldn't hear it I could still hear the screaming so honor your dad chill okay how do you know it was done talking okay sort of stabbing stuff Authority

28:36 it's better than try to think what happened you're making something up it's always better to be honest and that goes for you and me both and so if you don't remember it's okay to say I don't remember and we can work with that and talking we'll talk you through it and so if you don't remember you don't remember you know what I mean okay but at the same time if you do remember you need to tell us that okay and I understand you just went through something pretty difficult okay I get that but at the same time it just happened okay so I'm hopeful that you'll remember exactly what happened um so we have a better understanding of of what occurred what led up to this

29:21 things like that Okay so because right now you're you're saying some things and I I kinda understand but it feels like there's some pieces missing follow me okay so let's make sure we fill in those blanks so I think you said you went outside so you didn't have to hear anymore yeah what did you want to hear all of it I don't hear all of it come on your gunshots I don't want to hear your brother screaming okay so at what point do you go back inside now I just walked in after sounds

30:08 like the house that curtain I just punched it my brother yeah true your dad killed your brother yeah he just with that shotgun okay foreign what did you see your dad do to Jonathan

30:55 exactly without mistake you what you saw one series uh so if it's concerned was Jonathan still alive when he took the machete from your death and you know I just saw what he did and was he making noise count wasn't moving okay put a little shade from um 45. he said to kill me

31:40 Sean Eldon doesn't quite seem to grasp the gravity of the situation and make some interesting requests whether this is done in pure naivety or because of something darker remains to be seen it okay let's get you some water that's a great question all right can I go back to my house and get my stuff so we all work on some other things okay we'll just chat for a little while what do you need from yeah you sound like me your Xbox GTA 5 and probably your club now that I mentioned it yeah that's why GTA 5 it's a great father video

32:29 where's your mom California she's in California right now yeah okay let's see here I can't hold her we'll make sure that we get a holy amount though what do you think she's going to say about what happened tonight Oden's mother Tina still lives in California she and Junior separated after a tumultuous marriage marred by financial hardship drug use and alleged I love you said he did that thing to her who did it yes I did it for kind of other things that he did or hey did you just hear things or do you

33:15 know things in addition to more mouth covering and facial rubbing here he's got his foot up in a barrier position now blocking both the detectives my dad was driving fast Moana to get out so she she opened the door and his dad ran over oh man yeah so it doesn't sound good for anybody associate degree to the hospital and so there's a lot of things yeah yeah this is an indication that Eldon may have held an immense grudge against his father for what his father allegedly did to his mother Eldon began crying for what seemed like the first time in the interrogation when

34:01 mentioning wanting to see his mother Eldon would later tell a psychiatrist that he witnessed alleged to be perpetrated by his father against his mother he claims that on one occasion Junior poured lighter fluid on his wife and threatened to light her on fire in another instance Eldon stated that Junior bound her with duct tape and held a gun to her head before forcing Eldon to urinate on arm Anthony elden's oldest brother and Junior's son from a previous marriage said that he knew his father could be violent when he was on drugs but that he'd never him or his sisters he claimed that his father had recently kicked the drug habit and moved to Idaho to get his life back on track and be a better father to his two younger brothers

34:46 Anthony as well as his grandfather Eldon senior alleged that Tina was the aggressor not Junior in 2012 Tina pleaded no contest to a charge of willful child cruelty and spent six months in a Stanislaus County Jail it's not clear whether or not the child in question was Eldon at various points in their marriage Tina and Junior both filed restraining orders against the other for domestic violence did you see any anger issues with him although I used to it what do you mean Houston well they used to just designed to boil down stuff and get really really angry Eldon senior crosses his arms here which is likely a dislike response due to having to talk about his son's negative qualities

35:37 actually with Tina because they lived on Peach in Modesto and other replay I've helped him by a window and sliding glass door then when he moved over on the east side of Minnesota and I helped him replace two sliding costs why is that because he said he couldn't afford it no but how did they get wrong the Tina threw a lamp the first time through the door and the second time she tried to push her chair through the door and he didn't do this but you're thinking Tina did it he told me Tina did it so I believe him well yeah in a way because she's a messed up lady what your son isn't well I'm thinking

36:24 now oh maybe so you're thinking maybe it's interesting here that he does a big hands up response at this point he still believes that his son isn't responsible though it looks like the officer introduces some doubt parents often want to believe the best about their children they rarely want to admit their children might be the messed up one or part of the problem it's much easier to blame others but after what has occurred he now has to figure out why his grandson would do this It's probably causing a lot of cognitive dissonance for him the more he has to think about it the less certain he's likely to become yeah you don't know for sure you just did what he talked to exactly he told me hey what's up

37:09 get angry with the kids I'm trying to think of the time he didn't lose his temper he appears really uncomfortable here and States not that way no he's probably questioning himself about what signs he missed notice that he shifts into a barrier position shortly afterwards as well he's uncomfortable with having to face these facts because it doesn't fit with the picture he wants to have of his son well he never hit those kids in front of me he didn't nobody would yell at him

37:55 yellow the real high voice type of what he ever cuss Island no he didn't in front of me but he might have went and provide themselves okay so did you ever see him he knows he's physical um anything no not in front of me that's not to say it wouldn't happen but nobody else was around and it's to say that I never seen it no okay and what would he yell at um Johnny um

38:41 despite the contrasting statements made by family members a pediatrician would later testify to the neglect that Eldon and his brother faced while living with their father Elden specifically was malnourished had severe Dental issues and had many absences at school Junior's alleged Behavior was exacerbated by his prescription drug addiction there were a number of medications collected from the house the night of the incident Junior was prescribed several drugs for anxiety sleep and due to a workplace injury a few years before his death muscle relaxers and opiates Junior's autopsy showed a plethora of medications in his system most notably large amounts of the sleep medication Ambien according to Eldon the

39:27 medications also had a strange side effect and detectives returned to something Odin said earlier in his interview that struck them as odd well you know he was all upset paranoid about zombies medication okay but he didn't say anything about something you just attribute him taking that medication is to as to that's what he thinks how it is um did he say anything about zombies tonight yeah what did he say he said that there might be zombies outside and stuff so could you believe him no do you think I'm not trying to talk down here but do you think they're zombies

40:12 outside you don't think so how's it going all right you know what they are yeah do you believe in the zombie apocalypse do you believe that's going to happen probably probably yeah it was going down the Ukraine stuff Eldon has his body in an interesting position here sitting cross-legged with his arms barriered it seems this line of questioning has him concerned and feeling defensive can you talk to your dad about this type of stuff a lot no probably a few notes myself okay well it sounds like you and Dad have that in common though that you guys believe in the zombie apocalypse and he's always wanting to prepare but all

41:00 that doomsday stuff like something that's going to happen yeah what do you do to prepare is to prepare and thought that trailer and always love yourself buying guns oh the crappy Brown trailer yeah Tina Samuel tells detectives that her ex-husband was a survivalist that began training their sons for the inevitable zombie apocalypse another thing that Eldon's older brother Rejects regardless the cache of weapons a new trailer on the property and zombie paraphernalia mixed with the cocktail of medications in junior system certainly lent some credibility to Eldon's story but there's still something fishy about Eldon's version of events and detectives backtracked what happened inside the house after he shot his father how do

41:47 you know if you were in Johnson's room how do you know he was in the room just yeah he's always suspicious how do you know that your dad wants to draw this instrument so are you in your doorway so then what did you do this stopped who did you stopped and stopped right by the current year this side of it I just thought there's no to do is he kind of froze yeah could you say anything to yourself you know sometimes we talk to ourselves

42:33 saying we don't say it but it's time to say man I shouldn't have done that here crap or something like that what did you what did you do I didn't do anything to do you just went in there I tried to get Joe now who competitions okay and he wouldn't come out he's always afraid of me yeah because you guys you guys have issues and he has he has a condition so I'm aware of that he's afraid of me so I tried to get him out they couldn't they couldn't Order anymore the mattress yeah okay so what how are you holding up some interest show me all right okay like that yeah plus it and then you're trying to reach

43:19 for him I was trying to I didn't have the point come on okay I wanted to do is that all of his [ __ ] food okay I just let the mattress going just fine and what okay he had the house and kill you in the Strand just ran outside every layers so when you're outside we'll have to destroy a lot of good times so if I go to the house am I going to

44:04 find a shotgun and if I look at your little brother I couldn't find shotgun shots where am I gonna find those or potassium where is that Eldon repeated he was right outside which is once again his attempt to solidify his story then he repeats the question shotgun shots while looking up to make eye contact with the officer to see if he was believed repeating the questions and his statements are all delaying techniques so is taking a drink in order to give himself more time to think at what point did you come back and

44:50 shoot your brother at what point did you come back and shoot your brother is she my brother yeah if it doesn't yeah the interrogator may be trying to catch him off guard here you trying to see if because they've been talking casually if he would speak without thinking he just casually slides it in there like it's no big deal or like Elton had already admitted it likely hoping that Eldon might not remember what he said earlier Eldon does do some repeating of the question here but also doesn't get angry about the officer saying he shot his brother which of course we know an innocent person would most likely get pretty upset at this insinuation Eldon gives himself away a bit here

45:51 he did all three there's no way I gave him a girl getting something for my dad but you're outside from the middle of the story okay well I was trying to move out some questions okay like right there we're like my dad's dragging all that stuff tried to grab it with my feet and it's like gave it to us like that figured out me

46:40 John all right I just left the house after that detectives know Eldon is hiding something and they're about to turn up the heat all right I just let's set for that okay let's do this lesson we you've been really helpful and you've been honest about we talked about it Donald your house the terrible things that happen to your hand we talked about that for the most part I think you're being honest and you're the only one that knows you were there correct there is no way that you're done you're dead during the shotgun and have a machete with them and then you have a pistol there's no way that

47:27 all that happen what really happened with your brother just tell me completely I'm gonna listen listen were super good in our jobs okay we're good at Gathering evidence cutting pieces together like a puzzle that's why they call them detective if they detect things we're going to figure it all out how did your brother do shot not some story about a shotgun and a headset and all that other crap the real story yeah just tell me you're gonna feel better when you tell me I don't want to hear you it doesn't make any sense be perfectly honest in detail about a certain thing and then kind of well if you're dead and he had a

48:12 machete and a shotgun enters a nine millimeter floating around well he shot the Bella crawling around no way that happened so how did your friends get shot yes the first [ __ ] sorry I haven't said he's stepping a little while I said come on get out from jail okay you cut your brother yeah okay with the machete yeah where did you cut them he's like that so put your hands okay what did he say he said he just cursed at me he did what did he say though you can

48:57 speak freely here when he says you okay just instead of saying that okay subtracting right because we went from your dad was dragging all this stuff around and then you just threw the machete at him he saved yourself which was the total Craft story and we admitted that so we're now okay to the truth of what happened the detective moves into the confession position here it's important to know that as humans we naturally mirror body language when we're engaged in conversation with others and our body language can affect our openness and mood this officer is taking advantage of this by modeling the confession pose in an attempt to get Eldon to join him in the pose that is most likely to elicit honesty and a confession

49:43 thank you again hear me okay I shine okay sure three more times ahead okay was that all one right after the other shot him in the belly three times in the head right after each other is that how that worked well did he crawl up the hallway like you said earlier it sounds like that's me he did crop the hallway yeah after I shot once he he went on John's room so you're still saying that your dad crawled up the hallway yeah okay he gets in your brother's room and then what Rook cushions up then

50:30 the entrances and calm down told your brother yeah you said you know so it's not bad him with the machete in the where you get the hands like here like here on the edge out here not down here point to it on yourself for example like all around how many times did you swing the machetia for a lot how many is a lot it's a lot um ballpark more than 50. not 50 30 30 times okay

51:18 did you hit him anywhere else other than here slaves probably hit him in his legs anywhere else okay and he did it when I was yeah we're out in the head let's go back the fact was in yeah what else did you do no sin and I called the police we're getting close we're getting close did you shoot your brother you shot him with the children the leg okay where else I think I miss other shots where do you think you hit him or what did you try I Tried Him where wherever it's hittable

52:07 where do you think what were you aiming at I was aiming at him beware on him he himself he's under the bed okay so we're we aiming that standing under the bed just so applying shot you didn't see him you just knew where he was and he shot because I tried to see okay so what were you looking at I'm still having a nice fuzzling what about the 45 45. did you shoot him with that at all uh be honest I got people down at the crime scene right now and so we're asking you construction you cannot leave anything out shot once well

52:52 this is where I'm at with this um Eldon's toes are tightly curled under and crossed once again he rubs at his neck in a position that's automatically calming to the heart I think you told us quite a bit but I think that you've left a lot of stuff out okay likely without meaning to Eldon nodded when the officer says he left a lot of stuff out and then you've told us quite a bit but I think that you've left a lot of stuff out okay and so you know if there's any BS that you fetished just a little bit ago clear it up when we come back in okay so give us a few minutes and then we'll come back in let's use the restroom and we'll talk again okay just stay tired

53:37 all right Paul okay I can't get some shoes just hang on Eldon has finally come clean about hurting his brother but the question remains will he give detectives the whole story so you are pissed that your dad could put sands on you what you're pissed at your dad because he puts his hands on you punches here I hit you that's self-defense right there no but when your dad doesn't to you how do you feel about it I feel like scared I think he's gonna kill me okay from pushing you yeah Eldon does a quick lip compression when he mentions self-defense he's

54:23 verbalizing what he's been trying to relate to detectives which is that he supposedly shot his father in self-defense however we later learned that Eldon's understanding is limited when it comes to what truly constitutes acting and self-defense he slipped into the detective's modeled confession pose posture as well though not as far down did you have the gun in the sand at that point I didn't know if you had 10 millimeter on him but you have already had the 45 at this point right I couldn't find the backbone how did you get the gun from your dad and it goes on the ground he dropped it on the account no I mean under the couch career he fit I just took it this I clipped out took out the bullet and put

55:09 it back and then Dad pushes you can't just pushing okay and then do you say anything to him after that like anything I said stop okay is that it yeah okay and then he does it again but I'm asking you first you he pushed you a second time yeah yeah but what did it seem like Dad was trying to do by pushing you he's just pushing me harder okay was he trying to get you sit down was he trying to second just thank you the spirit he was just pushing me and he didn't say any words

55:56 by steepling his hands the detective is attempting to convey a sense of confidence and leadership in this situation he's taken the lead in questioning and is reflecting that with his non-verbal cues he's also spread his elbows out and is taking up a lot of space another sign of confidence so he pushes you you tell him to stop he pushes you again and you shoot okay and that's when you hit him in the belly dad basically crossed from the area of your bedroom are you in your bedroom at this point yeah okay and is that kind of backing you into your bedroom no I'm like trying to get out no you're trying to get out of your mouth and he's trying to keep you in your bedroom I'll just get out and he's just crawling out

56:41 it's in front of the couch saying weird stuff like I couldn't even understand what was he saying I don't know you're just like flabberg I didn't know he was saying he saw his medication and he just got shot Billy right they might put somebody into a little bit of shock don't you think yeah okay so he crawls he's creating a little blood drop thrill and he's going to your brother's room and so does he make it into your brother's room okay and then how is he seated what's he doing is he laying down and he sits up what hang up sitting up on his butt yeah propped up against something but

57:29 I don't know the test that John has that does the join us and his dad say anything to you at this point no okay and then as he's propped up then you that that point is out when you take two more shrouds and you hit him in the face but you don't think that that did the job because it didn't hit his brain okay so then you took one more shot up higher to hit the break yeah okay and you knew that he probably wasn't dead or might not die because of what you the three shots Prior but you thought this shot would caused him to die I understand that it's traumatic and

58:16 things like that but at the same time I don't believe a young man like yourself seemed like a pretty smart kid doesn't know what happened so I need you to be 100 honest with me because I have detectives down at the scene that are telling me what they see and what they believe is happening or has happened and so I need you to be 100 honestly about that because some of the stuff you're saying is contradictory what the evidence is telling us do you understand that yeah okay usually the evidence doesn't lie okay usually and I say that because sometimes it happens but in this case I I don't think that it is it's not too hard to understand what happened

59:02 fair enough but what we're missing is exactly all the details of what happened and we're missing uh basically why it happened the real why and things like that so with that being said did you shoot your brother that's right by saying with what Eldon avoids having to say no or yes he's trying to find out what information the detectives have already first before he admits to anything you tell me I wasn't there it's a simple question I don't know I wasn't there Elden oh dude that's not the question I guess

59:47 okay so what gun did you shoot him with friends a few times yeah okay a few to me is three okay so how many times did you shoot him well I had a shot in the world two at a time then certainly trying to get what I did so how many times you think he hit him with a shotgun and where legs hot dreams he hit him in the legs five times when he five shots to the legs I don't know I wasn't bad okay so then what happens

1:00:34 Called Love mattresses over thin he didn't start saying like the efforts to me and stuff and do you use the machete on them yet yeah you had already cut it with the machete pepper after the shotgun yeah yeah okay so that's what I'm getting so the first thing you did to him was shoot him with the shotgun yeah okay and then the machete came later yeah can you stand up for me and show me how you swung at him and don't do it to either one of us maybe face that wall and show us what you did I was like on the couch okay the The Mattress position tells he had something like that and I just

1:01:24 what did you say when you were doing it I didn't say anything okay was he saying anything no okay okay now you're doing that now I want you to do it how hard you did it to him I want you to show me how hard your swings shed s that okay so just a second ago you were one hand yeah okay now you just did two years yeah so which is it I don't know those are two-handed the shape had like a little shield on it okay so we're going to head over the other yeah okay

1:02:09 and but I guess what I'm saying to you is I want to see how hard you did that just demonstrate for me how hard you swung that machine was it hard as hard as I could as hard as you could perfect that's what I wanted to know once he's outside the bed and you hit him in the back of the head where else do you hit him after that or else that was it was was he dead I don't know was he moving well we're not saying is he moving because you were hit number because he movements on his own his room okay was he saying anything no I thought he was f-bombing you excellent yeah you know the expression you said that those are your words not

1:02:55 mine he's being quiet yeah and then I go to the police now that they're making Headway on Howe Junior and Jonathan were killed it's time to ask the most important question why'd you do it hi brother he was the reason why I kind of taking the medication because he just makes everybody mad in the stores started really feeding them it seems that Eldon may have wanted to eliminate what he perceived as the root of the family's problems from Eldon's perspective his father may have been the most severe issue in the household because of his alleged of the boys and of Eldon's mother Eldon is after all a

1:03:42 child so his thinking and way of processing the dysfunction in the family come from the perspective of a young teen who may have been abused and neglected it's very possible that his father may have blamed his issues on the kids which is typical of the neglectful parents Eldon may have believed this which could explain his anger toward his brother it's important to keep in mind that in the teen years the brains of adolescents are still developing particularly the frontal lobe which means that they may act impulsively or may act on intense emotions or issues at home without fully considering or fully understanding the true dynamics of the issues it's important to consider the role of how teenagers think and process information because at this age it's

1:04:29 typical for kids to fantasize about escaping situations they don't like in Eldon's case it was much more than just something he doesn't like this may have led him to resort to such Extreme Measures how long have you been hating him cheers how many years you're 14. five years okay my mom had a hell of stresso she ran away have you ever thought about hurting your brother before yeah yeah how would you have done that for a long time ago well around six what is happening

1:05:18 you stabbed your brother in the back yeah and he was caught six years old he's standing brother and back was what um thank you kitchen night deeply I would remember I think you didn't believe how many times you stabbed the splits you get in trouble you didn't get in trouble you stabbed your brother in the back did your dad know about it I think so where does this anger come from him he's a brother where did you come for your dad you didn't have anger towards your dad

1:06:04 well I find that hard to believe when you just shot your dad four times so where's your anger come from your dad he's pretty thank you okay and I've heard you say that but you haven't really explained that what do you mean he used to beat you just beat me I love him right next time I came back to me you had decided that you were gonna do something about it yeah what did you decide you were going to do sure that's who you told him so next time he came at you he had to shoot him when did you first think up I'll say it's like that's right yeah so

1:06:50 so tell me tell me about the times that your dad has beat you in the past you you I think you said between the last time and tonight it had been about eight months is that is that still accurate okay and then prior to the eight months how many times has your dad as you say beat you like he doesn't think it feels like once a month and started acting crazy it's been called the police last time when he's trying to drive the truck under liquids I'm aware of that report yeah Eldon avoids the question here and instead starts telling a story about one specific instance so what happened to them they're trying

1:07:36 to stop it what happened to him similar to God Hospital or jail hospital and they keep them overnight yeah they usually do what did you say when he got out like me would you say to your dad would you think I'd probably be better because he called the police home okay Eldon admits to harboring a lifelong hatred for his brother who was severely autistic and required a lot of their father's attention but had Eldon been

1:08:23 planning to kill his family all along or did he simply snap so where do we leave off we left off with what happened with you brother okay and then we were talking a little bit about Janet seems to me don't let me put words in your mouth hanging with you brother yeah was that fair to say he said it's been going on quite some time yeah and um and you I I think you said that part of your anger is that you know not only does he upset you he upset your dad he upset your mom who else is yourself

1:09:11 who's everybody I don't know just upsetting people that in stores he pulled people's things so huh was tonight what you were going to do about it yeah so how long have you been thinking about hurt you brother a while how long do I um can you tell me what kind of thoughts you had when you when you think about hurt your brother either one of our hearing okay so what were your ideas on how to make that happen this kept Jonathan huh kill yourself get him killed or something so in in your thoughts the way that this needed to end

1:09:57 was your brother to die my mother wouldn't have left but that first okay because my dad treat her life okay my whole life I'm sure you were what makes you really mad the most mad thing that Jonathan did what was it like to violate that my dad's bought a candy bar for John and I told him not to eat it then I would walk back to me and why would you tell him not to eat it because I don't need it all right and he would just buy one for Jonathan why would you buy one for you oh well he

1:10:42 did but so you won't evolved yeah all right well that's that's honest do you think that's fair probably for you that's what that's a good statement well my wife for you is that fair it's okay for me yeah so it's either not for him and then if he said If he if he didn't do what he said you'd be pissed at it I'd be pissed yeah help it yes you ever fought with your brother before no we have thrown stuff at him he throws something similarious stuff he brings back from school like it's clap handsome and break that stuff Destroyer the same don't bring it in why do you want you to die come on now

1:11:28 Eldon's intense eye rubbing is a continued form of eye blocking okay so you're saying that you killed him so he wouldn't kill you he's gonna kill me all this time Hamilton what time is it all the different times okay and we've talked about that a little bit but other than pushing and stuff like that you haven't told me anything that would lead me to believe that your dad was going to kill you so what am I missing what's happening because so when you were walking and he was crawling to the brother's room and you

1:12:13 saw him and he was propped up were you thinking you know how we talked about I talked about hey we have these whites to decide to say well I'm not gonna let that happen again but I can do that did you go in there and said I can save yourself I'm going to kill him or did you think that what what did you think when you were walking to your brother's bedroom what they got in your hand he's a bad person okay what else I still refused if you're gonna live he's gonna come after me that's what you thought yeah it's hard to tell but Elden may be crying or attempting to look like he's crying his statements about getting mad at his brother for not handing over his candy

1:12:58 bar clearly show he's quite the self-absorbed young person so if there's tears they're likely because he's realized he's not going to be walking away from this at this point so you you did you walk in there knowing that you had to kill your dad yeah that was your only option is what and I'm just trying to understand what you're saying I'm not saying that's what I'm asking because your only thought that your dad needed to die so he didn't come back and hurt you yeah so is that fair anybody else okay is that what I'm saying is that accurate yeah okay so I don't want to put words in your mind okay I want to put orders in your mouth I want to make sure these are your words

1:13:46 okay the grandparents so what do you do because of that baby because he he would either hurt you your mother your grandparents well and you do so he couldn't do that okay and did you do that with the intention on killing him why if your issue was with your dad that night which it seemed like it started there if I kill your brother just because of everything else that you've told me yeah it would seemed like he cared for John more than anybody your dad did yeah okay and so tell me about that that would say

1:14:31 yeah because John was saying that's going to happen your perspective John's best one in the house that's your perspective from how what Dad treated you versus in yeah so how many times in the last month have you thought about killing your daddy's brother test that nothing just what night this night she never thought about a prior to this now earlier you told me that you had what you said you said and we complained the payback she said he did it again I

1:15:16 was thinking if he did it again punch me again or push me again that I would kill him yeah but I live that was continuing on and I just couldn't do it so that's the that's why he's asking that question I couldn't do this I've done that one night I did it good night okay so but you've thought about it have you ever acted on it like got gun ready for or ready to do it you just couldn't bring yourself to do it put myself into it but I I guess that sort of mansion did you ever prepare yourself to do it you just couldn't do it no I

1:16:02 think you it was your words he said you said that yeah is that accurate you hate your brother yeah your brother enough to kill him I don't know oh yeah you do yeah okay and is that why you did it tonight it's not just that what else he was part of the reason why I did that thank you he wasn't here all this time might have a different if you take medication my mom when I left

1:16:49 get rid of your family Okay so so you blame brother for your family not being together can you blame your dad a little bit for that same thing if I heard you right because of how he treated your mom yeah is that accurate so is it fair to say because of those reasons that you have some serious anger toward both of them not anymore no towards your dad and brother hate background photographer he hated your brother more yeah okay but it doesn't sound like you were all that fun to Dad either

1:17:37 yeah well I'm asking again this is me asking you a question is self-defense and what was self-defense yeah why space is okay why why do you think a push by your dad he stole it before okay I I guess I'm just trying to wrap my mind around in the mask and I'm not you know not trying to hurt your feelings or anything like that but I'm asking why would your dad pushing you cause you to shoot him feel like it was threaten me and Jesse

1:18:24 pushed you yeah yeah how many times my dad pushed me when I was a kid he had like pushed me like like the officer is a little out of line here just because your dad pushed you around as a kid which wasn't okay it doesn't excuse any dad pushing their kid around it's not clear exactly what he's trying to do here as this question has been asked and answered the same multiple times now and so it kind of pushed you hit you in that Chester if okay did you ever got kids if not at least in California at California yeah yeah all right you ever feel like you need to shoot

1:19:09 never mind because I can either parts of that okay what if I punch a kid in the chest like right now yeah I'm gonna do it so I'm not trying to get you worked out but what if I did that what do you feel like you need your figures shoot me to defend yourself have a punch him yeah fair enough so why didn't you just punch your dad back I did that before our time so why not tonight I'm just trying to understand that you know Alden Wyatt went to the point now that we are sitting here with you and your dad and your brother are dead

1:19:56 does that bother you it doesn't bother you that they're dead that's why because it was what can you can you try and explain that to me a little bit because that's that's a pretty bold statement that you don't you don't care that there's it Eldon claims to have no remorse for what he did it seems that his anger supersedes any other emotion he might have at least here during the interrogation this is an indication of the extent of the anger that Eldon is harbored against his father and brother it's so strong and so deep that even after all is said and done after the adrenaline rush of the situation has subsided and his father and brother are

1:20:42 being referred to in the past tense he's claiming not to feel any sadness or emotion for them it's also an indication of how troubled Eldon is when asked Natasha Eldon's half-sister said that Elden didn't have a chance in reference to his childhood it's possible that he may feel relief now even though Eldon knows he's likely to face consequences for what he did what are you crying about me crying because you got caught what do you mean are you upset with the police game why are you why are you upset why are you crying and sometimes it's difficult for you to talk boss if you don't care if they're dead I don't do you know if you don't know you don't

1:21:27 know at home okay but you're not upset it's over then being dead I feel bad for your dad you kind of feel bad for your death but not at all for your brother yeah how long well I remember you saying that you only thought about this tonight you know that's a pretty calculated thing so I just knew it I'd have to do it tonight why why tonight if you're waiting longer hmm I'd wait any longer okay so how long did you waited I thought about it it's not going to

1:22:13 Country Vietnamese eight months ago yeah after he beats me it takes away all my stuff and it's laying ahead think about doing it I couldn't do it so I stopped stop thinking about it yeah so between the last time he beat you and tonight how many times have you thought about has stopped stop drinking let's get it well before we know you did it but how many times did you think that's the question thought about it every time you beat me

1:22:59 I guess that's my point because if I need to understand your your story the last time he beat you was eight months ago and then tonight this happens so in between those times how many times did you think about doing what you did tonight have you do you recall ever thinking about it during that time forever okay what have you imagined doing yeah and then see your dad what wouldn't what have you thought about your brother Casey you never you never

1:23:47 dreamed about or thought about it about killing your brother even though you hate him and he's the cause of the re you know that your family's not whole yeah but you've never thought about killing him until the night yeah but you've had thoughts about killing your dad in the past okay I mean you know I think I'm understanding your story a little better I think we're there I just the only thing that kind of hung up on is the fact that how much you hate your brother at least that's what you really does and that this is the first time you ever thought about earning yeah so I just don't know if I'm buying this apart I'm not and if you're leaving it

1:24:32 out you'll figure it out you know the times that you thought about killing your brother I mean I thought about but I've never knew I was going to do it that's what I'm asking I was thinking all the life because I could he died when you think about I think Eldon goes back and forth as to whether or not he planned to kill his brother or made prior attempts but he still hasn't told the detectives everything and is about to reveal another final layer to his depravity one thing I didn't know maybe it was just like I said I'm holding my ears there's that shotgun where's the shotgun right now hello I know you know come on

1:25:18 so you knew where it was in your room where it was leading up you knew how many shells you put in it you knew how you stuck it under the bed because you demonstrated that so let's say I'm just going in the house lights are off and I got a flashlight where am I going to find me flashlight yeah where'd you stash it dude that's right so this guy got shot I don't know yes you do you do it now I forgot hey I think I just slept right there in the bed in that room for your brother and your dad or did it okay of course the 45. encounter in the kitchen okay and then you don't know where the nine millimeter is and that never came out

1:26:04 you never saw it okay it's probably my room where's the machete another knife that the dagger knives the other knife there's one other night where is that we talked about it earlier in life yeah the Black Knight sure

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