Catechism of Sacrament of Marriage 07.19.2024☦️ #orthodoxlakeland

0:00 actual Services both of these Services were done during liturgy okay next week for instance we're going to talk about this in liturgy but there's actually a common cup that's t for the the the husband and the wife partake in originally what do you think that was e communion or Eucharist but because because the marriage ceremony was removed from liturgy now it's a common cup all right so those are some of the things that are the differences okay so the first part that gets done is the betral service so the opening petitions of the betral service are you're going to hear basically the same

0:46 petitions that we normally do during liturgy and many of the services except it's going to be a little bit different towards about Midway towards the end the first part of the service when we doing the when we're doing the petitions like in liturgy tonight we did the petitions that calls everybody to attention right we need he we're asking for health we're asking for protection all these things right so just like just like in those those Services that's how the beginning starts as well okay so in the past in some of the Orthodox tra Traditions even today the priest will ask the groom and the bride for the assurance that they are making an absolutely free decision to be United in marriage this mutual and

1:33 free and sincere agreement for marriage is of course an absolute absolutely necessary presupposition for the sacrament performed I know that seems silly but what what does that why why would that be important right and and when you get forced into a marriage what would that do for the sacrament of the marriage right so if you're being forced into a marriage and that's why I told everybody that have like children like I told you know some of the couples that have children that become Orthodox I'm not going to baptize the kids unless I have I receive permission from the the spouses if they are not together any

2:18 longer because I do not want the baptism to be a thing of upheaval and and anger and frustration okay and and we have seen mirac happen through these sacraments as well okay like one of one of the one of the parents the the the four the former spouse was absolutely dead set against baptizing the children and we were like just let's pray let's pray let's pray and then one day we got a text and they gave permission to baptize the children it was a beautiful it was a miracle and we did it immediately right before before any mind changeing could happen right so it's important for us to come to the marriage ceremony with a heart

3:05 that is ready to be married and that's why whenever somebody is getting married that you're not supposed to go to your spouse and ask for marriage unless you've got the blessing of the spiritual father by the time and this is actually I kind of flipped through it but this book that my wife got and I'm going I'm going to have her order more this is actually a little workbook for everybody to work through to go through the Orthodox Christian wedding guide it asks questions it asks things that are important and it's a really and it's it's something that you fill out it's got lines where you can fill it out and you're supposed to do it together okay so these are some there's resources now that we didn't have before okay so again the the very first part of the patrola

3:52 service includes a series of petitions both General and specific in content the general petitions embracing the whole church comes first these are followed by petitions that that the specific church and the faithful who have gathered there will with faith reverence in the fear of God all right so some of those petitions when we're coming to the Lord to ask for the people who are being married we asking God to enter into the marriage okay so right after the petition for the hierarchs we're going to start for the Servants of God so and so and so and so who will now pledge themselves to one another and for their salvation let us pray for the Lord that they may be sent upon them peaceful and perfect love and

4:37 protection let us pray for the Lord what and what is everybody responding with Lord have mercy right we're asking God for his Mercy we asking God for his grace that they may be preserved in a Concord and faith that is steadfast let us pray to the Lord that they may be blessed with Harmony and perfect trust let us pray to the Lord then they may be preserved in a way and a manner of life that is blameless and pure let us pray to the Lord that our that our Lord God May Grant unto them an honorable marriage and preserve their marriage bed in Purity let us pray to the Lord right it's specifically asking God for all these things that they may be blessed with children for the continuation of the human race and that their prayers

5:23 for salvation be granted that they may be delivered from all Affliction wrath danger and distress and then it goes back to the normal ones that we do all the way to the ending so you can see as soon as we come in and at we the patrol the service is immediately asking God we want you to come and be a part of this when you are preparing to get married when you're preparing for the sacrament of marriage that needs to be an understanding that you're coming before God to honor him in your marriage this is not again marriage is not about happiness it's about Holiness and if you strive for Holiness all the things that we're asking if you're striving for Holiness you're going to be happy it may

6:08 not always be easy but you're going to find happiness you're going to find Grace and you're going to find a person that you're going to be able to walk through Helen Back with okay so it's very important when you're hearing these petitions that you remember and when you're read when you're saying Lord have mercy you're asking God to bless this marriage because you got to remember remember again it was during the context of Divine Liturgy and when we're all doing this together the whole of the church is taking responsibility for the new spouses and taking responsibility to teach them and to guide them okay just like baptism was done during the course of liturgy not only is their god parents but everybody takes responsibility for

6:54 the raising of those people okay all right it is important to note here that there that these General petitions expressed at the very beginning of the patal service indicate indirectly that the personal matter of two people coming together toward together in marriage is incorporated into the realm of the whole church we all think for some reason that we're Islands unto ourselves we all think that as soon as we go home that you're leaving the church behind that's not so every single time we are praying for people when you go home you're supposed to be praying for the people that have just got married I pray for all the couples I pray for all the people Okay Christian marriage is

7:42 not simply A Private Matter but as noted a matter that concerns the whole church both a militant Church on earth and the triumphant Church in heaven why is that what who are the triumphant people sa the Saints and this is and the the the sacrament of marriage is reflecting on what what is the reflecting reflection of who is the bridegroom and who is the bride Jesus and the church Jesus and the church everything that is echoed in the church if you are getting married it's holy if you are getting married you're asking God for God to bless you and the people that break their Chastity and their purity and have affairs I feel

8:29 sorry for them because you were breaking a covenant that you made with God okay all right but there formal requests for the sacrament of marriage and their very presence in the church the engaged couple being formally betrothed are making a mutual pledge before God and the congregation not only share their life but also to graft it upon the Tree of Life in the church the specific petitions which follow the general petitions include for the Salvation of the Bride and groom next the petitions ask for a perfect and peaceful love to be sent down upon the C couple it is hard to love people it is hard to love a spouse it is hard to love a spouse that doesn't do what you want

9:15 them to do you and if you are not going to allow the patience and the leeway for God to work in their life do not marry that person because if you expect to marry somebody and you think that you're going to change them you're sadly mistaken I've tried I'm going to tell you that right now I tried you know what it got me gray hair gray hair misery and suffering for not only me but for my spouse as well okay so God is asking for a perfect and peaceful love agapy love right not the Eros love there's no mention of Eros love even when the petition mentions about the bed that means that you were supposed to

10:01 take Jesus into the bed chamber with you it's a trinity the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are a trinity the husband and the wife and Jesus Christ are a type of Trinity we're supposed to have God engaged at all times in every moment of Our Lives petitions for Concord and harmony for a strong and steadfast faith for Mutual trust for the truly honorable marriage for marital Fidelity and purity for children these are are certainly all very human requests essential to the quality and what is that word quality of married life but they all are also Heavenly gifts to be asked for and received from God okay you're asking God

10:47 the people in unison are saying Lord have mercy remember that Mercy right that Grace that Mercy that comes for God that only God can give all right now the next two the next part of the betral service includes two prayers the first prayer says oh Eternal God who has brought together into Unity those who before had been separate and who has imposed upon them an in in disable Bond I'm sorry in disable bondu dissoluble yes thank you I couldn't pronounce that word bond of Love and Marriage who did bless Isaac and Rebecca and did declared themselves to be inheritors of your promise of

11:35 Salvation do yourself oh Lord bless all his these service the two people their name and the name and guide them into every good work that is pleasing to you for you are a merciful god and you love mankind okay so this prayer Begins by affirming that God is the one who brings together into unity and Harmony all of creation God is particular L responsible for bringing together two separate people and uniting them with the bond of Love and Marriage who brings people together God what makes us think that we're qualified to do so who all right God is supposed to bring us together and you know why God doesn't bring us together why we think he

12:21 doesn't because we have been so inundated with pornography with violence sex and everything else in our society we think that that's what brings us together we think that that's what brings us holy but if you are looking for the kingdom of God if you are trusting that God is in your life he will bring somebody in your life if there is somebody for you that does not mean that there is somebody for everybody but if and if that person's looking for the Kingdom of Heaven both of you will meet each other both of you will come together we are not supposed to be divorced when we get married there you're not supposed to actually get married a second time but through the grace of the church and through the

13:08 understanding that we are stubborn and kind of stupid the grace the church has given us Grace okay um the biblical reference to the betral of Isaac and Rebecca as described in the Book of Genesis is a beautiful story where the events unfold according to the Providence of God it serves as proof that God does indeed bring people together and blesses them in marriage clearly aars of his promise to his promise of Salvation the request of the betroll the Lev ISAC and Rebecca leads naturally to the request for the similar blessing to be bestowed upon the new couple standing before the priest in the church building okay so it's not even talking about Abraham and Isaac or Abraham and Sarah and it's also not talking about Israel right it's talking

13:55 about Isaac right Isaac was the the servant was sent and the servant was like I don't know who to pick for my my master right he says all right Lord whoever the woman is let let her come out and and water the camels and just as he was praying that and he walked up Rebecca came and exactly like he prayed that happened God brought that and what is what is important about Abraham and Sarah Isaac and Rebecca right uh Rachel and Israel right they are descendants of Jesus Jesus right ancestors ancestors ancestors I always get those two I'm making sure you guys are on your

14:42 toes but also it's because it's for the descendants of those people that we pray because Christ came through their lineage okay all right the Old Testament event of the betr of Lev ISAC and Rebecca like many other events in the Old Testament serves as a type and image reflecting by anticipation another event that takes place much later in the New Testament the fathers of the church saw in in the betrothal of Isaac and Rebecca a figure of Christ as the bridegroom who espoused the Church of the Gentiles that is who embraced the gentile people and included them into the church okay uh this connection helps us to understand the opening reference in the second short prayer okay the second prayer is oh Lord Our God you

15:31 yourself what are both of these prayers who are who are we talking directly to God to our god right you yourself have with providential forethought espoused the church as a pure virgin bride and have called her from among the Gentiles bless this Patrol that will unite these your servants so and so and keep them always in peace and Harmony okay that is the second prayer that's that that is done all right God himself guides the steps of people not only to meet each other to fall in love but also to marry in the church now standing in the church building for this sacred purpose the couple through their priest invoke the Divine bridegroom to bless their betrothal and to unite them in marriage

16:19 it is not only the couple who were making a pledge of fidelity God too is making a pledge to the couple what does that mean that's a pretty powerful statement what do you think that means will protect yes that's part of it yeah it's another type of Covenant it's another Covenant that's why when you make the Covenant to get married it is important that you think very strongly before you cheat and before you leave because you were breaking the Covenant with God God made the Covenant okay all right it is not it is not only the

17:05 couple who are making the pledge of fidelity God too is making the pledge to the couple by B and again pledge of fidelity right is Fidelity only speaking about sex no I mean I'm guessing if I'm asking that question you know the answer is going to be no right right but the Fidelity is something more right cuz we can cheat on spouse in many different ways we can think about it and cheat right but that if anything takes the place of our of our spouse our children included because there are sometimes that people put their children above their spouse forgetting that one day your children going to be being out and you're going to be in the house with a stranger okay so the Fidelity that God H

17:52 is making the pledge to the couple as well by blessing their betral God himself is making a personal pledge for the the couple a promise to keep them United in peace and Harmony throughout their life together providing of course that they remain faithful to God in obedient to his Commandments What did that just say Obed to God is that an ultimatum it is right God will remain faithful if we remain faithful to him what did we Rel what did we read tonight in the Prophet Elijah he was faithful and what did ABAB say to Elijah why are you coming to me troubler of Israel I mean what what nerve that

18:38 guy had right what nerve that guy had to ask Elijah and Elijah's like why are you calling me the problem you are the one lead you are the leader of Israel okay the biblical theme of mutual faithfulness between God and Mankind is a prototype for the mutual faithfulness of the spouses all right so that is the ne so we have the petitions and then we have a couple of prayers the next thing we do and God willing in a couple weeks we're going to be having our first marriage here at the church that that me performing the marriage on uh August 11th God willing and everybody God willing will be able to see it okay and now you're going to know what's going on when you watch okay so the next thing

19:24 that happens is that the priest the husband and the wife are not supposed to be holding hands yet the and what will happen is is the the priest will take the two rings and he'll do the sign of the cross over the gospel the gospel candles the Rings and The crowns which we're going to talk about the crowns next Friday those are all going to be hold on a second those are all going to be on the table on the tetrapod and then you ask God in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy this person is being betroll to this person in the name of the father and then you do it three times and then you turn to the each couple and you do the prayer again over each person okay yes

20:10 so is the betr ceremony the actual marriage C no the betral is an engagement is the engagement it's part of the marriage it's we the church has combined them right so it's all the sacrament of marriage but it's two sacraments put together to make form one it's two Services into one and the engag well the husband and wife both have a ring okay okay so all right so the ring has served from most ancient times as a sign of authority Good Will and affection and Power in Christian marriage however the ring symbolize much more than merely the human faithfulness of the couple before

20:56 the ceremony Begins the Rings are placed on the gospel B which in turn is upon the ceremonial table in the middle of the SOA before which the the couple stand the priest will first bless the Rings over the gospel and then proceed to bless the man and the woman three times using the following formula the servant of God so and so is betro to the servant of God so and so in the name of the father Son and Holy Spirit everything's always in threes okay over the husband over the wife over the gospel so nine times all to go to all right after of the tri double triple blessing of the couple the respective rings are placed upon the fourth finger of the right hand of the groom and bride at this point the sponsor of the couple again you're going to have a sponsor you're going to have a best man and a

21:44 best a best man and a and a bridesmaid all right and at that point they're going to put the ring on the fourth finger okay usually the woman does it and she'll and she'll say in the name of the father in the name of the son and she's going to put the husband's on the wife the wife's on the husband's finger and the Holy Spirit and then she'll bring it back again okay the Rings will be placed on either each person's hands okay this exchange of the nuptial Rings is indicative of the mutual self-offering of the spouses who life is now being united in such a profound manner that they are no longer independent and self-sufficient beings but hold fully integrated and United

22:30 persons who are called to fulfill and compliment each other what do you hear in those words and and have you seen that in the marriages that you've witnessed for the most part no no right it is be United in such a profound manner that there are no longer independent and self-sufficient beings by the exchange of the Rings the sprous is of affirm that from now on in their life each one will be fulfilled and completed by each other the weaknesses of the one spouse will be fulfilled by the strengths and the gifts of the other and I can tell you this right now I thank God every day

23:15 for my wife because I have a lot of weaknesses and she definitely fills in those gaps and she has held me back and she has instructed me in numerous times and I truly believe that God brought her and I together all right and I truly and one of the prayers that I have every day is for me to be able to be my wife and I to be an icon of marriage to the people of the church okay so in the exchange of the Rings the couple is also reminded that they must mutually surrender to each other discovering and identifying their Destiny and life again in each other who are you who do you supposed to have your destiny with in each other you not living for your own

24:01 self and is there anywhere right is there anywhere so far that it's said if you get married that your spouse has to be nice no that your SP it does talk about Fidelity right it talks about honor and respect sometimes our spouses don't honor and respect us but we're supposed to honor God with our marriage and if you can honor God with your marriage and be and have humility even if you don't like your spouse if you bow and have humility and and still be a a husband or wife to them God in the end will give you that martyr's Crown because that is a type of martyrdom okay in the exchange of the Rings the couple is also reminded that they must mutually surrender to each other discovering and identifying their

24:47 Destiny in life again in each other the spouses are no longer independent individuals but two dependent persons who rely on each other to be whole and fulfilled who actually belong to Belong One to the other neither husband nor wife and his neither husband nor wife is his or her own Master but rather each other's servants as St Paul asserts in 1 Corinthians chapter 7 okay A lot of times we take those things and we go with them and well the husband's the head of the household like Christ is the head of the church but ends right there that's not what the whole thing says right and how is a husband supposed to to be the church the head of the household

25:34 like Christ is the head of the church which means that you are doing everything in your power to get to her pick up help her pick up her cross her to pick up your cross and get to the kingdom of heaven and if your spouse is failing in one side of that you still remain faithful you still remain Fidelity in those people and you go to God and you pray for you to become person that you need to be to guide them into the kingdom of heaven so that way they can find that way okay the third prayer of betrothal oh Lord Our God you

26:20 accompanied the servant of patriarch Abraham in Mesopotamia when he was sent to espouse a wife for his Lord Isaac and you did reveal to him through the drawing of water to betro Rebecca to do yourself oh Lord bless also the betrothal of these your servants so and so confirm Word of Promise that they have made and make them secure in the Holy Unity which is accomplished in you for you oh Lord from the beginning have created male and female and by you is a man and a woman joined together for mutual love and assistance and the contribution of the human race therefore oh Lord God who have sent forth the truth unto your inheritance and from your promise of Salvation to your servants our fathers in faith who were who were your elects from generation a

27:06 generation look upon your servant so and so so these prayers are specific specifically adding into the people's names that are being married the SE uh uh and seal and uphold their betrothal in faith and Concord and Harmony in truth and love for you oh Lord have declared that such a pledge be given between a man and a woman and kept honorably in all fullness by a ring by a ring Joseph was given Authority in Egypt by a ring Daniel was honored in the land of Babylon by a ring the truth of Tamar was revealed by a ring our heavenly father showed compassion upon the Prodigal Son saying put a ring on his hand and bring the fatted calf in and kill it and let us eat and rejoice let

27:53 your own hand O Lord armed and guided Moses through the Red Sea your true and mighty word created the heavens and the Earth and established them among firm foundations may your servants therefore be indeed blessed by your Mighty word and by your heavenly arm wherefore oh Sovereign Lord do you yourself even now bless this putting on of the Rings with the Heavenly benediction and may an angel of the Lord go before them all the days of their life okay so the purpose of this Union is that they may help each other I'm sorry in the beautiful story of the affirmed that God himself accompanied personally the the servant of Abraham who traveled to Mesopotamia again it's going back to Isaac okay to seek a suitable wife for Isaac God himself revealed Rebecca to the suitable wife destined to share his life with

28:40 Isaac and this it is this same God who takes such personal interest in human life who is now being invoked to bless also the present betrothal and to confirm the Word of Promise that they have made the purpose of this Union is that they may help each other and fulfill each other in every way that they may be consolation to one another in the difficulties of life and of course as they may also serve as co-creators with God and bringing about new life through procreation of children so are people supposed to get married and not have children no you're not the people that get married and don't have children are like they're they're selfish I'm I'm going to tell say that right now that it's a selfishness okay and as a matter of fact the Christians

29:27 are the only ones that usually have one or two children all the rest of the face have 5 6 10 12 children okay so moreover the prayer emphasizes that the pledge of a man and a woman make each other to to make each other must be kept in violate that is it it must not be violated broken or Dishonored in any way whatsoever but rather preserved in all aspects of Life by all possible means the Rings also symbolize the merciful love of of God the Father Who graciously pleased to shower his Creation with his Divine and abiding favor and steadfast faithfulness to his promise of Salvation the hand of God is another way of speaking of the power or

30:12 of the energy of the glory of God who acts in a marvelous way to bring about his will as the church Embraces the new couple with their with her love she also acknowledges that this new creation the new couple coming down into being will need an angel of the Lord a special Guardian Angel to accompany and protect their new married life which they are just beginning to experience in church what do you get when you become married a guardian angel a guardian angel that's big right I didn't know that honestly before I read this I didn't know that and for that means when we get married we start collecting Angels a guardian angel for your

30:59 marriage which means what what H what do the church fathers teach you when we sin with our Guardian Angel pushes them away pushes them away so if you're not being faithful to your spouse and you're fighting and being selfish and doing all the things that you what do you think your where do you think your guardian angel goes take he goes He steps away but if we strive for Holiness as we're supposed to the guardian angels will be near okay in this final section of the prayer the faith of the church is p in personal Guardian Angels is united with the meaning of marriage as a complete Union of man and woman blessed by God through the sacrament of marriage therefore in Christian marriage any unfaithfulness of the spouses to their vows of fidelity

31:47 means also a betrayal to God himself a rejection of his promise to bless them to protect them and to grant them a totally inter grated and transfigured life together this is precisely the deeper meaning of the Rings blessed by God and put on their fingers of the betro it is not only the sign of their pledge of fidelity to each other it is also the sign of the Pledge of God makes it to Mankind in general all right so that is tonight all for the class I said it was going to be about a half hour but that is the service of the betral okay that is what happens at the beginning and then it immediately goes in to the service of the marriage so before I

32:32 end God willing I'll be able to answer any of the questions because I'm not a specialist in the service itself but every time I read this it'll get I'll get better at it I know I trust the Lord is there any questions yes I I had a few thoughts when you were talking about this but at the very end I was thinking about how um so if if one person uh violates the marriage is I I I've heard other fathers talk about the one the one spouse can sanctify the marriage still well that's in the scriptures too yeah so what does that what does that mean then for the other person uh if if the one spouse is upholding and the other one's not or well God Is So B God Is So merciful and

33:19 gracious that he'll pour His grace upon the spouse that is being unfaithful whatever through the the spouse that's being I had a friend of mine uh who was a priest at one time he was he's a priest again but at one time he got he he fell into temptation okay and he wasn't able to serve in a church and that was during the time that I met him and his wife stayed faithful to him his wife stuck near him they remain together even today he is back serving the the church and he and he went and for for the forgiveness and and and for

34:04 reconciliation that is what we're supposed to do that woman right there is one of my heroes that woman right there is a bad whatever you know what I'm talking about right that's what we're supposed to do right and because of that because of the grace that God if if if our spouse is drawing close to God you know there's been people that have been like how am I going to get my wife here how I'm going to get my spouse here you keep coming you come to the church you keep learning you keep drawing closer to God and God will continue pouring his grace through you will become a conduit that's what we pray and that's why we're praying for you guys to get

34:49 United as well okay does that answer your question yeah and more than and I had I had another but I'll just ask one other uh so what does it mean then for people who are married outside the church before they come doesn't even count they get a new marriage in the church their marriage outside the church does not even the church doesn't even recognize it it's like you're living in sin basically ESS however yeah but I mean people have been married 25 years and come to the church God's not going to be like how dare no he's not going to be that way right but that's why I'm encouraging all the couples to get married into the church and receive that sacrament of marriage

35:35 so that way they can have the fullness of everything yeah good questions anybody else Benjamin uh if you're married and then uh for one reason or another you can't have kids is it expensive for you to adopt or or what would be the uh yes I mean the go the the church has given that Grace to be able to adopt uh you know and and it's it's a blessing to adopt I mean if that's what God has called you to do you know if you can't have children first of all hopefully if there if you can't have children you find out about that before you get married because then you have to make a decision there was there was a person down in my first church he married his wife and then when his when he got married his wife's like I don't want children and he wanted

36:22 kids how unfair is that I mean I know I'm using that word unfair but that was really terrible of her to do that and I've known some other people that do that I have a bad par I want to be married but I know you want kids but I'm not going to I'm not going to let you out Children over I mean you're withholding yourself from that but yes you can you can adopt your over yes when you get married you you switch it to the left well the or in Orthodox culture it's on the opposite hand that we're Norm we're used to seeing you're supposed to have it on the right but everybody it on the left I

37:09 know but in the Orthodox church it's supposed to be on the other hand all of Ukraine and Russia we on the right yeah because Grace comes from the right hand Jesus sits at the right hand there's a whole but you you do your cross with the right hand so it's supposed to be on the right hand America we've been Americanized and now and then we take it put it on to the left but in here does it say to move or not no it does not you're not supposed to it's not going to be in here like in Egypt we have different have the same yeah put but we do first with the same with the Eucharist everything with the Sy and then we wait because they give it a chance that the blessing of the church for these two people to know each other

37:56 right and that's how get Mar and that's how it used to and time and that's how it used to be but the betral was done during liturgy and then there was a time that elapsed where they were betro but now it's been combined yeah yeah so because ceries are combined Rings us the cereem are theing yes but would have just been Eng engagement rings are kind of a new take on an an yeah yeah there there was I mean there was just at one you know now you know women are wanting these huge diamonds but before it was just a band a band it was a band you

38:41 know again it was a circle's perfect the circle like an endless right yep anybody else so you get their Ringo and then marage beown yes which we'll go over next Friday so the betro is the Rings and then we'll go and then and then next week we'll go over the crowning but the crowning which we have I I'll bring out some so that way everybody can see them we have some samples of crowns and we ALS I'll bring out the crowns that the the carpar rusen church uses as well I guess more like an observation rather than a question but I kind of understand now why they're called Mysteries because they're like uh the church doesn't entirely understand exactly why but they like paths to to to

39:30 Salvation so I didn't I didn't actually even realize that until the way you were talking about the mystery of yeah I mean and and you know it's really important for us to understand that I mean we all get frustrated when we don't understand God's plan you know oh you took away my kid obviously I don't want my I don't want to lose my son right or you I've had people you took away my mother well why why do you want your mom back you know why why do you want you know so we we don't understand God we understand God infantism right we hardly understand God but God has given us through the grace and the mercy throughout all these centuries which the church has compiled

40:16 on itself to be able to have the scriptures the church fathers and everything else right and that's why I always warn everybody when they're coming to the church and they start reading St Anthony the great and St fos The Great and and all these and all these Church fathers and they're like there's no way I can possibly uphold any of this I'm like what makes you think that you're supposed to I mean those guys 50 years 60 years sometimes before they wrote some of those things right and again you know and next week we'll talk about it but there there's even prayers and stuff that that have been omitted from this that they found in some in like Mount AOS which are all celebrates but there were they found a marriage ceremony and there was parts

41:03 that had been omitted and there were beautiful prayers it's pretty amazing prayers which I'll go over next week good questions anybody else if prayers like that have been omitted would it be inappropriate then to condu them there there had to been a reason why they took them out uh you know so it's you're not supposed to go against what the church is teaching and what the church is giving you now does the priest have some leeway yes of course the priest has some leeway to do things here and there of his own volition of how he

41:49 wants to do things you know uh you know nobody's telling me I have to do liturgy Friday night for the Prophet Elijah right a lot of priests just do Sundays but if that those prayers were taken out there's a reason why right and for us to do for us to go to go against the grain and add those prayers now if I wanted to add those prayers like we did the we did the service and then afterward we did the prayer we could do those prayers like in the following weeks or whatever that's we could do that but the actual servant itself were supposed to stick to the you know and but you know but it like even the Liturgy gives two places where you can add petitions and different things like that anybody else all right thank you so much the

42:36 name of the father son Holy Spirit next