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0:04 Okay, Henry, that's a pretty nice little eight iron there. A little 97 185 yard carry. >> I felt that one felt good. >> That was nice. Okay, so I want to do something a little different. >> Okay, >> I want I want to show you. So, swing it up to the top. Now, I want you to feel like you drop your hands down before you start to turn. So, drop the hands, turn. Okay. >> Okay. You got to really exaggerate. Drop the hands. Turn. Okay, let's see you do one. [laughter] >> Oh man. Okay, >> that felt weird. >> That was weird. So, what do we notice? >> Well, my path got more out to the right, that's for sure. And then I kind of slowed down quite a bit. >> You dropped almost 10 m an hour off and a lot of ball speed. Okay, so what I
0:50 showed you there was, in my opinion, what not to do. Drop the arms early and then turn. I don't think that actually happens in any elite players golf swing. Now, if any of you have seen Henry swing a golf club before, you know, he's got a pretty darn good golf swing. It's pretty much on plane on plane. He hits the ball really good and he's got a lot of speed. Did you feel a little handcuffed when you dropped your arms first? >> It just felt like I was over complicating things. It felt like it's like I was dropping my hands right into my right pocket and then from there figuring out how to hit the ball rather than just directing things through the ball and sort of on one simple path. >> I like that. I like simplicity. I want to uncomplicate the golf swing. >> I don't want to complicate it. So Henry,
1:37 why don't you hit one more for us showing what you were naturally feeling where your your hands and arms go a little bit more along for the ride. And there we go. That's Henry Fall right there. That ball makes a straight line. That's pretty dang good. So, what we're telling you is don't drop your hands to start your down swing. So, today we're going to show you a better, more simple, and athletic way to transport your hands in the golf swing. >> So, hey there, Henry Fall and Milo Lines back here in the studio today. Milo. Yep. >> And today we're going to be talking about why we really don't want to be dropping those hands early in the down swing. But before we get started, if
2:22 you've been following along, thanks for joining us again. If you're new here, we would appreciate it if you hit that subscribe button. Really helps us out. Okay, so Milo, do we really see the best players in the world and legends throughout history dropping their hands or lowering their hands early in the down swing? >> No. >> What are they actually doing? Well, the golf swing is a dynamic motion. So, we're winding and as we're finishing our wind up, we begin to change directions. >> That change of direction actually happens while the hands are still going away. >> Okay? So, if anything, the hands are still stretching up and back while the the player begins their unwinding. So,
3:08 there's a little of that going on. And then from that point on, the hands kind of get transported along the plane. So we're going to see the hands kind of working down this plane here. So are the arms or the hands dropping? Sure. But it's at a rate that matches up with the rotation. So they're not independently swinging the club back, dropping the arms, and then turning. That's like to me it's like you're adding extra steps that don't necessarily need to be there. Is it happening a little bit? Probably. Sure. Yes. From dynamically I don't think that you're physically trying to to lower your arms down. I don't think it's something that you're you need to intentionally try to drop your arms. And
3:53 that's something that I've heard taught a lot. One of the biggest problems people have is they come over the top over the top. Over the top. So what do they try to do to fix it? Drop the arms. Drop the arms. Drop the arms. Right. >> The problem is that now you are creating a pathway to get sort of stuck from the inside. And in this move, you're really lowering the club a lot to the ground. So when you're lowering the club that much to the ground, what's your body going to do to kind of respond to all of that? >> It's going to do some jumping, some stopping. >> So our whole our whole thing is about learning how to swing like an athlete. And you wouldn't do that with a baseball bat. You wouldn't do that as the pitch is coming. Oh, I'm going to drop the barrel and then hit the ball. Like, we want to create that nice line and that
4:39 simple action through the strike. >> Yeah. Especially what your hands do. One of the old sayings is don't drop your hands >> in baseball. >> Yeah. I remember I I've heard my dad say it a million times to me. Don't drop your hands. Cuz you load, you walk away from your hands. You don't want to drop your hands because now >> Yeah. >> All you can do is swing up, >> which would be the same in golf. If I if I actually successfully drop my hands, all I can do is swing right. >> Yeah. So either way, like I mean that's why I love your little plane you kind of showed there at the beginning of this this lesson video. It's like, you know, yes, we don't want our hands to be pushing out excessively either, but at the same token, we don't want them to be crashing through this plane down this way, which we see all too often.
5:26 Probably at least half our lessons, it's not this one, it's actually this one. >> Yeah. We have the benefit of teaching a lot of pretty good players, >> right? >> And pretty good players generally get too much from the inside. And so, we're trying to solve the under stuck, >> right? So that's getting your arm stuck and chances are from there you're going to really struggle with some chunks and and thins and the club you're not getting your low point forward enough because your hands are effectively already low to the ground >> instead instead of staying up a little bit and getting transported and transporting that club forward. >> The other effect I see is when you intentionally try to make your hands go down, it causes your body to do other funny stuff. So your body will tilt. I mean, if my club was down here and my hands are down here, I better I better
6:13 rotate and get my chest going like that if I'm going to hit this ball somewhat [laughter] productively. And for most people, that's a challenge. >> Yeah. The other thing that happened when Milo asked me to make that lovely move, dropping my hands in my pocket there, is you saw how much it slowed me down. I think I dropped >> You went to 88. >> I mean, that's like 10 miles an hour. >> I was actually surprised you could go that fast. Well, and I wasn't trying to slow down. So, like I mean, I can do it again here if I really feel that. Lower the hands and turn. I mean, it's just it feels so underneath. I mean, it's just it felt so and it's just I it feels discombobulated really.
6:59 >> Yep. >> So, I'm all for simplicity. We want to swing like an athlete, but we also like simplicity. And it's like some of the best players throughout history. It looked like that elbow, the trail elbow and and the hand for that matter was just kind of working back on this plane almost kind of matching their sternum and the amount of kind of squaring up and rotation. That's, you know, that's delivering the everything to the ball >> for sure. That's a lot more simple than trying to drop turn. >> I reminds me of an old lesson you gave last year with a mini tour player. Go ahead, set up. And you actually stood right here, sort of made a little plane for his arm to stay in front of. >> Mhm. >> And you would have him hit some little shots and make some rehearsal swings with that. >> So, Milo, I've seen you use this one a
7:45 lot with students, not necessarily hitting balls, but just to kind of >> build a pathway for them where you have them swing up to the top >> and then you you basically are just wanting them to kind of ride down that plane right? >> Yep. >> So, it's like that ramp. And the last thing we want is our hands to cut through that or our elbow to go back behind that, which we see all too often is people's trail shoulders want to go internal. For sure. Yeah. So that gives you a really clear picture of how simple. Yeah. There's not a lot of moving parts. If we do this right, wind, unwind, that hand goes in the right arc, more or less. >> Yeah.
8:36 So, here's another way to put it. If I was to just swing this club with my right hand, you guys tell me. Does my right hand drop or does it kind of stay up on the plane? I doubt it went way under here. No, it didn't do [laughter] that. >> Cuz again, like if I was swinging with one hand here, that's like that's a lot of looping going on. >> Yeah, >> sure. We might want the club head to loop a little bit. >> The club head's going to have a little >> shallowing effect so that it aligns itself to the rotation a little bit, but we're all after being natural more or less. So that just feels like the club's kind of tracing on that line. There's not much >> Yeah. >> going on. It's not complex,
9:22 >> especially with the hands. Your arms aren't doing like stirring the pot big circles. They're just up down the plane. >> So, one feel I really like for this that I I just don't think you can get any more simple than this. And I do this when we're traveling at an airport. Maybe I'm at the gas pump. So, you guys can do this really anywhere you are. Just put your back your left hand under your right tricep there. And now you got this trail arm kind of ready to go and strike, right? So, it's a little bent at the elbow, a little bent at the wrist. It's not overly tight, but it's not limp either. It's just kind of there. And then I just wind it up and unwind it. So, my goal is to just feel like it doesn't go this way across and off my left hand, but it's also not going, you know, down and back. It's just kind of
10:07 staying with us. Is the arm going to have its own movement a little bit? Sure. It might stretch a little in transition, >> but I just I like the simplicity of this where I feel like I can just wind, unwind, and now I'm just kind of using my whole system. Sounds simple enough to me. >> Yeah. >> What other feels do you like, Milo? >> Well, those are some good feels. A drill I use quite a lot is alignment stick in the belt. >> Oh, yeah. That's a good one. >> Because if we drop the hands excessively, the alignment stick's going to find its way in the into into our way. And we've seen this one. It actually got some prime time coverage with Windom winning the US Open. He was doing this drill in his warm-up every day. >> Yeah. And I wouldn't recommend doing this at full speed right out of the gate, but it's a great way to feel like
10:53 you get things kind of synced up, right? For sure. And you know, a lot a lot of times we see people that when they're dropping their hands excessively down and back, they find a way to push off lateral kind of slide and really try to like rotate hard with their pelvis to try to get the club back >> in front, get the low point good. But now you got a lot of things going on. So, the secret to this drill is we wind our body up, our hips flex a little bit, and then from there on, it's more of a chest driven motion. If your chest turns through, your hips will turn, but your arms will get out front automatically. >> Y what you don't want to do is turn it up to the top and then fire your hips cuz now you're on the wrong side. So
11:40 even with those people, even Tiger way back in the day when he was when he was maybe Olay firing his hips, his hands were not dropping down and back into his right pocket. No, >> they were still somewhat moving with him. Yeah. >> Or else he wouldn't have won a US amateur. So >> he he did okay. He won [laughter] more than one of them. I think he won three in a row. >> But what I like about this stick, too, is it's like, you know, as you go back in your back swing, this right hip goes a little bit higher, right? So there's a little tilt to this. And from here, it's like I feel like I'm on that ramp you just showed me. Now my right arm, I'm looking at this mirror here. My right arm can just come with me. Boom. So, it's like everything's kind of moving together through there and I can really use my chest to move through that ball. So, I love this drill. I think it's
12:26 great. I think it's helped a lot of people too. >> It helps synchronize body parts for sure. People who are hip fireers or hip thrusters, it's a it's a great one. And it also is great to tie the arms in. So the arms no longer have any complexity. They just move with you back and through. And you can see Henry can hit it basically as I'm faster with this just making that little, you know, 80% swing than I was full speed with the dropping my hands. >> And and you hit it solid. >> I hit more solid. Yeah, for sure. [laughter] >> Yep. So that's an excellent drill. I again recommend going slow. Maybe hit it off the tea at first. So here's one last way to kind of think about this. If you were to just take your hands, clasp them in front of you and get your arms, you know, pretty loose. So, just nice and
13:12 relaxed in front of you. If you were to turn and turn and just let your hands kind of move with your body, move with your pivot, you're not going to have that extra moving piece of of dropping them. There's no drop of the hands. It's not like I'm waiting for it to lower and then turn. It's just again, it's like reinventing the wheel. I want my wheel to just turn on plane. [laughter] >> That would be nice. That would be simple. >> All right, Milo. So, my last question for you. You've seen a lot of golf swings in your day, students, high level amateurs, stadium am champions who you've worked with, and professionals, the higher handicapped players to the the very best of the best you've worked with. Would you say this is one of the bigger differences you see?
13:58 >> Oh, 100%. It's a huge difference. the way that the good players work or the higher level players, their swings look more simple. Their swings operate in a more simplistic way. They don't they're not doing as much. Their pivots are better generally, you know, they're they're more pliable, better athletes generally, but the way that their arms operate is so simple and functional. It's just basically what you described. Most of the best players >> are are doing somewhat of that. There are different matchups based on a few different variables we won't get into, but yeah, their swings look very simple generally. >> And also, as we've talked about numerous times on this channel, like the hand paths of a lot of the best players ever
14:44 actually was a little bit in, up, and out not >> Yeah. >> up and then down. >> It's almost actually either on the plane or in and over. Yeah. >> You rarely see a an elite player go out and under. There are a couple, you can probably name them off like Fred Couples, >> maybe Rory Mroy, but the vast majority are doing the opposite. >> They're not excessive either. They're not dropping their hands. >> They don't have a ton of drop >> as we're saying. So, all right. So, one last good one. I'm going to feel like my hands are just kind of going for a ride, turning on plane, and taking away any of that drop move you taught me earlier, Milo. I don't know why you taught me that. Feels a lot better. That was a little push cut. H I don't think you want to
15:30 swing an eight iron 101 miles an hour. >> Let's do one more. [laughter] >> Like that one. >> Yeah, that's that's the Henry fall ball right there. Just barely falling off to the right. Pretty darn nice. Well, hopefully this video gave you some insight into why we prefer a an arm swing that more more or less matches how your pivot's moving. It's a lot more simple, more repeatable, more powerful, and it takes some of the steps away where you don't have to feel like you have I got to do one, two, three, and then hit the ball. Yeah. >> It's more of one >> one global move. >> Yeah. [laughter] And I think it'll really simplify the golf swing for you, just learning to get your right arm to move with you >> and your hands, not to have to do any
16:17 excessive dropping. >> Yeah. >> So, hopefully this video really helps you. If it did, hit that like and subscribe button. Come visit us at myolinesgolf.com. We've built an awesome program for you and we'd love to coach you. So, come see us.
