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0:00 warning the dub talk podcast may contain language and contents that may not be suitable for younger audiences listener discretion is advised also be warned that spoilers for the entirety of fooly cooly will be discussed in detail throughout tonight's episode so please be weary if you have not seen fully coolly and wished to remain unspoiled and finally the views and opinions expressed here tonight are that of the individual participants and do not reflect the dub talk podcast as a whole now in this boring town where nothing happens and nothing changes I think it's about time we kick things up
0:45 a notch hon chief I say we swing the bat and we show ourselves what fully coolly is all about it's fully Cooley forty curry could like fully googly-moogly hooli fully godly fully what is fully Cooley it's a good question that a lot of the philosophers of our time have pondered since the dawn of man what is fully and what is Cooley there's a yin and a yang there's a fully and a Cooley these kinds of things make sense I promise anyways we need to have a long-standing discussion about what the proper merits of fully and Cooley is how that affects our civilization what it means to fully and Cooley what is it fully or is it Cooley is a fortiori
1:31 Cooley is it FL or is it Co are we ever gonna know and I just kind of buying time right now yes I am so with that in mind enjoy the show right on shooting star [Music] [Applause] [Music] good evening Doug talk listeners welcome to another episode for tonight we we have a question for you do you like rock music do you like guitars do you like small motorized vehicles
2:17 do you like violence stealing robots do you like irons do you like unnecessary 3d assisted camera shots do you like general insanity do you like obscure references that only the people making the thing you're watching you're really gonna care about nuts be to you well if you applied any of those things we in fact I have a show for you tonight kids yes that's right a blast from the past from the from the long ago days of the 2000s you're covering the one the only the fullest the coolest that's right fool the [ __ ] here in your ears tonight joining me on this ridiculous exercise and a personal nostalgia is Jamal he who controls the left sack
3:04 closed the world chief and drew hey guys let's talk about taco oh boy it's gonna be one of those episodes is it it's hard to say isn't it always yeah it's true I don't know is this gonna be more of one of those episodes than the the nichijou episode I I'll say I feel I was more attached to nichijou but fully Cooley I've also got a bit of a history with well actually I am I'm curious on that note since we're gonna be covering cooly cooly tonight obviously a a seminal dub for people a certain age in the english-speaking anime consuming world I certainly know for me many my exposure anime got
3:51 significantly expanded once I found out about Adult Swim and started watching their programming and watching this when I was about 15 or so was a lot let's say so I'm curious Andrew what's what's your history with my history with fooly cooly is I think when I had first watched it it was around the time I was get little more accustomed to because I used to be a young boy and a young boy back then staying up late to watch anime was kind of a big goddamn deal to me like the night I think I remember I first like was awake past midnight and I just turned the TV on because when your child cellphones didn't exist in my era and it
4:36 was just like all right what's on this box if nobody's gonna come in and interrupt me I want to see what's on this box and on that box I remember was Adult Swim which had anime cartoons at that point I believe the first one I ever encountered was a dot hack series but I think the one I ran into after the fact was in the middle of an episode of fooly cooly I believe it was the the end of the episode where they were doing the play and she was just kind of becoming a spider lady at some point and I was kind of I want to say horrified I believe when I first watched it I was like what
5:22 what is this I'm so confused and Andrew be honest did it awakened something actually no this was the point where I was still a young boy and I was still too horrified to even contemplate the fact that this could be somebody's finish that's I'll say this my actual real exposure I think was a few years later when I had gotten a little more exposed to watching like Adult Swim like late at night anime blocks and I at first like they had to start because I think that Adult Swim likes to do sometimes they had shows they really liked a lot that they would replay regularly throughout the years fooly
6:09 cooly was one of those shows that would they would replay if they could on the regular other titles would include the likes of cowboy bebop and ghost in the shell' stand alone complex fully Cooley was a show when I first watched it I did not like it mm I genuinely did not get it I did not enjoy it I did not understand it but when TV is on back in the day you couldn't really go through your go through your queue and choose what you wanted or as more is accurate scroll through your queue endlessly and watch nothing this was the day you turned the TV on and you watched what was put on your face
6:54 so throughout the years I would continuously watch fully Cooley over and over and over again until I started to appreciate a little more of it and still I start to understand a little more of what they were going for until I started to understand that there's deeper themes and symbolism that this isn't just random wacky [ __ ] it's still I started to understand this was a kind of dope-ass show it took a lot of rewatch us to really get to this point but I think I like fully Koons oh that's good we can remain friends good and you you would you would be correct pointing out that they reran a lot my understanding from an unspecified source on the internet is that somebody is adult somebody at Adult Swim has said that this is the favorite and best anime they've ever ran I like it's their favorite leave Jason DeMarco the current
7:42 head of the Adult Swim's Toonami block and a big executive at Adult Swim nowadays says like fully cool he's like absolutely like his favorite anime of all time yeah that checks out checks out to the point are we gonna mention that actually it's not relevant what the date that they that the Adult Swim liked it so much they helped produce to see yes okay yeah yeah well we're not gonna cover the sequels because one character side they are very different casts and probably deserve their own individual episodes frankly but yes yeah what was it 2017 2017 2018 yeah yeah Adult Swim in with production i.g who own the rights to fooly cooly these days produced a pair of sequel series flcl progressive and FLCL alternative
8:30 because they just like it that goddamn much and why would you one other anime can you watch people get hit in the face of musical instruments none I tell you it's embarrassing so what you're saying is you want all of the rock band idol and anime to have a lot more punching each other with instruments well it has to be the right kind of punching like they start doing it in a what's that what's the what's the nice one that's like what is it the cute animal girls and their star guitars show by rock yeah they didn't show by rock I just be upset Wow why would you do why would you do that that's weird but if they ever made like another BEC anime you would totally see somebody like smack somebody with a [ __ ]
9:16 guitar to be broad dope I mean every Beck seems like the kind of show where some would get in a fistfight that be less out of place at least at least it like you know actually look like adults who would fight somebody nada you know mascot characters like how about you say that but thinking about it the type of guitar hitting that happens in the show is a lot more fun and cartoony when you think about it you would want it to be happen more show by rock because it would happen and you get a nice cute cartoony animal face and be a Dukey doofy anime face if it happen did something like beck somebody would get a [ __ ] concussion yeah you say that like that's not also part of the appeal fair enough but still I just like I also like filter people just beat the snot out of each other I'm fine with that alright alright Jamal do you have any
10:04 history of the show yes sort of to be honest I've been kind of on and off too and me throughout the years like I didn't really started watching foody cool you toad they aired repeats I do swear like it's complicated like I didn't me I saw some episode of what I think was good I remembered the comic gag they had is that I didn't exactly understand what was going on I didn't watch it again - I got back into a debate about 2013 but then I tried to make an effort to watch it at first I managed to watch a couple episodes watching quotation marks because I fell asleep at some point now and I wake up right here yet excited I'm like what is
10:50 this like this I tried to go back to if I'd ever made there for two until I started watching the sequels like actually really I already managed to watch full/queen progressive at the back of my braid and the chat about asked me if I'd be way to come on to the show I was like yeah boy to oblige should I be I've see progressive you guys to watch which door just to get under static forehead like I do what I actually had some clarity thanks to watching the sequel sees that I understand what the shoulders tried to vote for that but especially with all its gags and stuff it's a face now you bastard packs so much of the success
11:36 ODEs not only dad's but the ethics ops of Bob - oh yeah I'm just mad I'm just kind of bummed it's so sure like I was listening to it on YouTube just before we started recording I'm surprised it was so short but I think I think it was really worth it that I jumped on this episode with you guys oh wait what that final thoughts yeah we gotta talk about the show first yeah there's there's some things to talk about oh yes I am I will note I think part of the reason that song is so short is that is one of two songs that were recorded just for the anime most of the most of the music in here is pre-existing in some fashion that one is not it's always the good isn't it for my own part I mean
12:23 I can't confirm this exactly but I think I can remember the first episode I saw and I think it might have been the first time that episode was ever aired on Adult Swim I'm not sure but the dates would match up because it's during the summer so I would have been up late on a weeknight and I just I had this very vivid memory of this pink haired lady with the blue Rickenbacker bass dressed like Elvis yelling about Rage Against the Machine I never I remember being curious but I'm not sure I knew what to make of it at the time did this awake something in you know I already knew it a Rickenbacker 4001 was that's a sexy instrument I need this show to tell me that now that's Paul McCartney's primary bass
13:09 instrument from the late 60s onward that thing rocks pun intended yeah and I can remember that and then I can I feel like at some point the the mid commercial break came on and I probably like flicked away for a little bit and when I came back there's just this guy and a haircut chair who would randomly turn into a South Park character and I do not understand it was going huh it was just like what am i watching what is this I thought that was a mistake but that's safe that fatha discussion fair enough and I I definitely I believe I watched the following episode that the next night and then at some point they had a rerun and I filled in the rest I was like this is fascinating I think I like
13:54 this show this is really this is I didn't know it at the time but especially in retrospect fooly cooly is very much my brand of [ __ ] and it's it's it's it's it's it's nice that a bunch of nerds um in a completely different country would unwittingly make something so attuned to my tastes assuming some of my tastes aren't just foreign for having watchfully coolly a lot as a teenager who can say really what does the chicken what is the egg then on that curious note shall we get started talking about the e-dub of this weird wonderful show yeah I would be interested in talking about the dub of this weird weird show well I'm trying to sit is the point of the show is the point of this this podcast so that would be good to start off and we'll be
14:45 discussing the AVR director and scriptwriter both of which doodle duties were handled by the same guy Andrea do you have any predictions this oh come on yeah no no I'm on dual I do not have predictions for this 15 year old show I'm generally can predict that the entire tub was the brainchild of one op dule comma Oman well I'm very I'm very flattered do you think I had that kind of power when I was 15 but no sadly I did not possibly 14 anyways the a direction and scriptwriting was handled by mark handler he has quite the resume on him actually as far as his writing credits
15:30 go he worked on shows like Cowboy Bebop ghost in the shell' stand alone complex he wrote the dump for the movie metropolis and going way way back he was one of the readers on Voltron really oh gee Voltron back in the day holy Sh Wow yeah so he actually um what is it if fun fact if you go to his website he has like he has like a little resume he actually has a link to a cartoon ciphers video on the felucca Lee dub or I think he points out sort of if he includes an edit a little interview with him that uh points out like you know when you're working on Voltron you just get kind of scripts and there you don't have a lot of context or what's going on outside of
16:15 whatever episode this is and it must've been fascinating to work on like you know adaptive anime basically at that point and then follow that career along up until like the 2000s when people stood be like no no we should take this seriously it's basically here it's basically the idea that in the 80s they were kind of flying by the seat of their pants but in mm it's like okay there's a method to this when they Voltron in the 80s they didn't even have video to work with they just tied everything out with a stopwatch wait what I'm dead serious holy [ __ ] yeah that's that's why you find a lot unsink dialog in old anime Duff's that would do it that's for his for his writing stuff and the directing society has a few credits to his name he directed heat up for rave master he
17:01 directed the dub for a show called Tom day Buran which was aired outside the US as super pig and never aired inside the US for whatever reason even though it was dubbed in the US which is weird but more recently is a big thing as a director is that he's the director on the series stitch and I which is produced by Disney China apparently which is where he works these days really ya know so he's gone places in the world so on that no gentleman tell me what do you think of the writing and direction on this show odd yeah it's a word I would use do you go on I will say this is a
17:50 very Japanese show is full of a lot of Japanese references a lot of Japanese like onomatopoeias a lot of strange honorifics pet nicknames sound effects like mouth gobbledygook gibberish at times that some of these characters have to be spewing very fast very quick very strangely it is also sometimes a mixed media show and from what I can tell there are several performers in this dub some of which are now very much industry mainstay legends who are making their debuts in this dub this is a product of
18:40 a dub that is it's I wouldn't say it is bad I would not say it is a bad sounding town I actually think at times it is pretty damn good like I'm a big fan of horik oh I think now does pretty good a couple of background players are pretty good and I have I have opinions of my mommy me but this is such a strange strange dub I think now that I'm older and now they've got a chance to watch it for like the fifth or sixth time I appreciate things
19:26 about it I didn't quite appreciate back then this is also a hard show to work on there's a lot of everything happening this must have been a difficult show to work on so I will give some credit where it's due it's pretty good give it the time period and given what they're working with but this is I don't personally think I would remember this fondly as like the best dove I've ever heard or the best dub of that era but it is kind of charming it is kind of charming but it is very weird and rough but there's some euphemisms there's some good line deliveries there's some good reactions
20:13 and screams it's pretty good nowaday like i watch it now and I appreciate it but it's kind of weird it sounds a little weird it's much like the show it is very fully and it is very cool I see I mean I agree with every day it's obvious kind of odd let me try to keep with told the show but the thing about the show is is this is the some fourth wall breaking if you went don't touch it Adam eight change a constant going on here and why back to complete this for the first time today it was kind of hard to puzzle like why they made some of the
21:00 choices they did even for that era because thank you back I like watching it it kind of invited me a did you buy the movies the way they had to do the dumb for things but I liked it you bought the movie they made localized and you think which it's kind of really kind of necessary for a show like this because you know they even like I said it's not for foreplay they kind of play up something guys we like something a debate is to suffer so at what point they even met you the jogwheel reference and why animators put cats at their shows where'd all these pigeons come from okay 14 year old me definitely
21:46 didn't get that joke me now he thinks that's hilarious [Laughter] I think what they attributed for does he's filed a couple of a few references that were basically cut Memphis it's like backside to be a substance remember because we didn't point out not only was this production i.g but this was in particular was a joint venture between Debbie guide axe back in the day this is very early guy necks there's there are some main thing I know it's no it's not alright next start in the 80s Andrew ok correction this is like these guys yeah this is the guy necks okay there's this is there are juices there are two schools of camp
22:31 there's two schools of camp there are two schools of thought for what I think people associate with guy necks in the 90s in the modern era there's neon genesis evangelion guy max or there's trigger guy max this is trigger guy max okay see what you think but like I said the changing animation is so constant like I don't really care what a between okie animation is you can definitely notice the animation changing very easily even when you're not paying attention but for what it's worth the dope it's not bad but it's not perfect to me it's kind of harder if she's not you if you can't handle the odd you're
23:18 not gonna like this very much they did the best with what they were given although at one point it was actually Doug Tyler with episode 5 as we kind of port as Auerbach and boy that what the hell to see cuz you can literally see how Co Redux shouting forbade what was on the sub times like that literally has some time for that you just read it verbatim not to bother sir it was definitely okay even kind of holds up to today's tab actually again with the
24:05 sequels that came back as well hmm I'll say just because I actually forgot to mention it now I think about it they're uh this is a show i I will admit I find new things i watch it every time this time I discovered several references I just did not understand I now understand what a Lupin is yep I now recognize the fact that episode 5 he is straight up dressed as his dad is dressed up as a red jacket Lupin and they do the whole gag about the punching glove straight up in her cooter oh that's a coder okay Jude in her coochie don't-don't-don't here you made
24:51 your point her her her interdimensional wormhole you're making it worse I hope you know that look I'm trying to save your dignity man it's full it's fully cootie man it's foody Coody you do it like this you do it like that your footing a Korean curry with your furries all right I'm sorry I was all right before I started I'll note a little bit of historical context event to give at the beginning of the show part of the reason politically is the way it is is that before working on it Gainax had just come off doing the TV show his and her circumstances Oh which is the other Hideki I know show
25:38 with a horrifyingly troubled production Oh what he incredibly burned-out exhausted at the end oh okay that one that was the thing they were working on book Otis I think that and maybe maybe some stuff on one of the Evangelion movie is that Carey Codd oh yeah that's Carcano okay I've I'm unfamiliar with it but I am told the production of that is actually a train wreck any any story you've heard about issues they had for the back half of Evangelion care hey had worse I think I think there's an episode where it's like puppets because they've run out of money like little stick figure paper puppets or something like that wait actual stick figures I've not seen
26:24 the back half of Carol Kenny I can't confirm this and tell you what I've heard on the internet but like it was a everyone was real tired at the end and they wanted to do something stupid and frivolous and that's why that's how fooly cooly came about to the point where Hideki a knows all the involvement in this product despite being one of the cofounders of Gainax is he technically voices now toes cat in Japanese that's all he did is that why can that wide the credits to cap the cast they busy it's a question mark that is why that would be why he he needed a vacation he basically was just like okay [ __ ] you anime for a while oh yeah I think I think it décadas baseline attitude is [ __ ] anime but you know like
27:09 he loves the ship anybody also think it's kind of stupid fair enough layman I just recovered some a headache Yami Lords bye-bye I'm sorry okay okay Jamaal however bad your headache is right now it is nothing compared to now just [ __ ] headaches I tell you what yeah but they get a ticket bass guitar to the face did I you didn't base guitar to the face you haven't had interdimensional robots you haven't had a straight-up like gun trigger got you have a gun [ __ ] loaded cat ears um like his head's been through a lot buddy it's hard being macho oh my god
27:56 it's it's a hard not life for a hormonal tea is even a teenager no 12 he's like his 12 he's not even 13 he's 12 he might be 13 at the very very end where they're wearing uniforms who can say it's hard to say I think you lie about where was that yes so if hula [ __ ] was partially the product of Gainax wanting to do something a little less stressful so they did an ova series that they released over the course of about a year and it turned out very well for them my room thoughts are that I don't want to say I can't look at this tub objectively but it's hard like I'm not sure I've
28:42 ever seen any part aside from clips of fooly cooly in Japanese in my and like in my mind this dub is welded to the show this is what it sounds like you know what uh-huh now that I think about it I honestly until like the new anime was coming out I don't think I've ever actually heard my you machine Tani's voice come out of Haruko Jara Jara Smouse i've only ever heard the actress that plays her in English and nothing else likewise I never actually considered that but you're right so as I think I made clear I have a deep fondness for the show but they're kind of nostalgic reasons and also just because it is very much my jam it is more [ __ ] so to speak
29:28 any any show that any show that features a scene where the characters breathlessly point out the model and year of the guitar that's just been pulled out of somebody's head it's like I'm one's gonna like it you can't help but that's just the way he is a part of me enjoys how weird the dub sounds because it sounds very distinct yeah and I think that a thing that maybe think of is back when he used to do video essays Jakob Chapman he used to write for payin and I believe right ster crunchyroll now did a video on fooly cooly and he pointed out that the performances in English and Japanese kind of sound exactly the same like there's not a lot of finessing it's it's very much like here's a recreation
30:14 of what this sounds like in English not necessarily in like a vocal tone sense but kind of in like how does this feel how did the out of these characters project I didn't system to that when they were recording the dub for the first three days the director of the show was actually there on site kind of like giving suggestions I mean apparently he actually apparently had some input into a lot of the casting choices in part because he wanted try and sort of an idea ad was like kind of recreating the feel of the show for an English audience because a lot of stuff that's obtuse to us there's also stuff in there that would be obtuse to like anyone in Japan watching this to like the gags about like discontinued brands of soda and stuff like that it's just oh yeah they do tropical Crystal Pepsi in there at
31:01 some point it yesenin to the Japanese that's a reference to a discontinued brand of Japanese soda oh yeah so like there's like localization going on and it's very like here's a thing what's what's an actual comparable thing you can find in English which you know it happens plenty in local I should I feel like that would that would explain the little thing about how the grandpas asking for the Anna Nicole cover spread that also explained the Sony Walkman line okay now that that can totally be both languages the Walkman is a thing in Japan I don't I do I know but the pun the pun works very well in English so who knows what it I don't know what it was in Japanese saying I should I should watch into Japanese one day I'm fine
31:48 but like it it has this very distinct weirdness to it like it doesn't there aren't a lot of other dubs I can really point to it like there's other stuff that has a sort of gag mania aspect there's other stuff that's very reference heavy but nothing quite feels like fully coulis it's like this we it's like this weird little one-off that just existed for a brief moment and was never repeated which is appropriate given that the studio that dubbed its sync point I don't believe they don't believe they dub that many shows during their lifetime they were kind of short-lived as a as a production company it was like this in was a DG charts and maybe a few other things like this is this is by far the most high-profile thing they ever did I don't like I dig this it is it's very odd and I think it's a grown older I've
32:35 grown to appreciate oddness in things even in stuff like anime devs where I think there's an argument for like you know just quality in general but sometimes just being kind of offbeat is fun in its own right so I I remain a fan for better for worse now that no we like to get to our first city characters yep I would be intrigued to talk about some of these characters yes let's talk about let's talk about some characters up first we have NATO's dad and granddad come on nan da ba and shiki Cooney nan da bum come on is a weirdo and a loser he's he's a weird culture writer who now polishes scenes because he doesn't work at his old job according to the current of sabacc matter material he apparently married into his wife's family he took
33:21 her last name which is very unusual in Japan and doesn't say a lot of great things about him and shiki booty is an old man who's also a baseball coach for the local team and gets has the robot go buy porn because what else you gonna do and you have a robot lounging around your ass come on is voiced by Joe Martin Jerome Martin is not a very big resume to his name if you go to IMDB that uh for Joe Martin you will find his credits on there and they are also mixed in with an unrelated Australian actor who was not the same actor and some dude who was in a movie Sean Penn directed in the early 90s so I also think is a different actor but Roe Martin wasn't a couple of other things he played lieutenant Jacobs in a 2001
34:09 action movie called a silent force I watched part of it to make sure it was him looks pretty generic and more props were pertinent to this he played a character named dr. dr. Daniel Jacobs on an episode of vr troopers well is this gonna be interested in talked about especially that's especially with the next axis so I know I don't actually was great I was I was watching the episode that he put it if you're gonna make sure it was him and it was like wait a minute cars in here Tony Oliver in the credits there's a lot of actors I liked before I knew it wasn't this was a very good reason for day yeah I can imagine I remember the amazing discovery that Tony Oliver was in Robotech it was like what though
34:54 yeah totally Oliver he's been acting longer than you think he is yeah it's true and shaky Cooney is played by Steve Kramer that was a he's been in all bunches of things although some I like he was axel Thurston and Eureka 7 he played a sorry Tommy the third hokage at Naruto and more recently you can hear her mouth cane Brizard and seven deadly sins on the old netflix okay I thought that was the third hokage it sounded like him oh yeah no that's him so gentlemen what do we what do you think of these performances um I'll be I'll be quick in regards to Steve as the grandpa he sounds like a good grumpy old fart he doesn't really get to do too
35:42 much but he gets to make some little funny noises where he's talking about what food he could he is and he made me laugh at some point when they're thinking he's talking about the fact that that now tom was begging mommy me and he just says out of the corner corner of his breath I bet she does it like a weasel yeah and I got a I got a look good little kick out of that little quirky line Steve's got a very crotchety old man voice but it's a very distinct stirred voice that's stuck that sticks with me now it's like I'm not actually sure how old he was then because I feel like he's done a lot of really convincing old man voices for like the
36:27 two or so decades I've heard him do voice acting but he does a convincing job he does a good job being the old grumpy old fart and like I said he asked the robot to buy a porn and he doesn't like mommy me because she was I'm gonna be honest the show says that she was dating his brother I don't think I believe that what they had was a dating relationship now that I'm watching this I think mommy me thought it was a dating relationship I cannot speak for him are you saying it was more like God every simulator no no no because because fooly cooly actually
37:15 came out I dope I bet like it's hopes of the second episode because you know now okay that's well we'll get to that later well get to that in a second but no Patri watching it now I think about it like I was pre convinced into several times it's like oh she says that they were dating they must have dated now that I'm watching again it's like I genuinely don't think they were actually an item I think mommy me was just really really really looked up to him a lot and thought like was sort of in love with him I think she but never really there was no real like affection given back I I think it's safe to say that of the two
38:02 of them mommy me took that relationship a lot more seriously yeah and now his brother did because of the fact that it's like oh he's got girlfriend in America ain't that just the way it's like yeah you didn't stand a chance girl anyway so we're talking about the grandpa the grandpa doesn't like her but Steve Kramer does a good job Joe as the father is very quirky is what I would say but he he does this very he does a good job sounding like this adult manchild but also kind of a bit of a weird kooky pervert like the the amount of noises he makes when he is just I guess experimenting with Haruko
38:49 where he's just kind of like they're just like rubbing all over each other and it's like hot for TV and also at some point he just kind of dies he just dies he's just dead at some point and he he is very strange quirky voice but he says a lot of really funny strange things like I don't actually know who this is like I believe this is like one of the many Ailee Ailee no no this as far as I can tell that's Israel I should clarify those two roles that I mentioned that's not just because I thought there's been pertinent those are the only two roles on the girls I can find by him really oh yeah my understanding is just he retired from acting not very long after this
39:36 okay okay good good either way it's just it's a very distinct voice that I really haven't heard anywhere else but he does like he's he's a perfect fit for the kind of show fooly cooly is and like the kind of strange manic horny disaster energy that this character is he exemplifies perfectly in his performance and it's a pretty distinct voice that like I can vividly remember what his performance sounds like even a pottery watch it's like oh yeah I know what that guy sounds like and I've never heard him been anything else which is kind of a testament to how he plays the part and he plays it kind of really great he's
40:23 really weird and funny and he's definitely made me chuckle a few times but it's just like wow you are you are on some [ __ ] he does a great job though all right Jamal I guess to start with Steve Kramer I like the fact you say see it like the fact you say he's a crotchety old man's voice and also like the fact about for your troopers cuz the only thing I ever really knew Steve Kramer for died before I ever got back that Bay have you ever seen a little indie show called Power Rangers in space [Music] you might recognize him as the voice of dark harder the day I found out that was
41:09 him it's like it's gonna be waiting here giving life stuff thatís what I saw here but this a better my positive and then you have get angry about the whole poor thing I was like you have to cause this bike bored I'm just like Jesus Christ but to be fit and with early doves like you'd be surprised how big axes fk4 power waitress instead on seed i couldn't the biggest worth tomorrow but that's enough so so i did like is take our squatching old man who's like don't recognize his rage right away uh joe barton is the father
41:55 you like he is very quirky I mean when you start speeding up his words and so with that with a comic gag of like the hell us what keep up with that show even if there are don't lip flaps it was pretty cool there's also that moment like you said a drew when he's just a rub it up ah how occur which that seed was weird even by the show standards because I'm one myself what the hell's he actually doing it's like sensual massage therapy maybe I don't think this man's gone to chiropractic school yeah talk but but look at thank you what yeah do sex if you look there was
42:43 actually plug come to have his foot turns out that what was a robot I see wait you guys didn't know that I think it didn't it didn't register but now that's how that's how now to ended up fighting could be the closet for the cut with him about cover all in cockroaches oh god yeah yeah I thought myself yeah the things this man has to do I think what's it I don't give me a sec carpet - goddamn forbids I only have anything back to say he has lot on things to say but hey I had does but good stuff these two said I Ted
43:31 would buy port for that um like missiles I'll start with Steve as well he's he's very entertaining he's he's a good grouchy old man shigekuni doesn't have too much to do in the show other than be old and try and coach baseball but she does well he's trying but the less said about the local baseball team the better maybe because he's very delightful I think he really he really just kind of nails the character and he's good when his gags come up I like him a lot but now let us talk of Jim Martin rewatching this show just it it breaks my heart that Joe I assume some point shortly after this
44:17 dropped out of acting I hope he is maybe out there having like a nice theater career or something like that because I love him in this role so much he is so weird and distinct and part of that's kind of like the character and the writing and then trying to like match for the Japanese is doing purchase like you just hear and rambling on about this hamster he let die middle school and he's so pompous about it oh yeah it's just it's so and it occurs to me it's like oh my god this man's voice has been I definitely have points for like I I I will realize something and I will I will like imitate him going ah like I realize oh my god that's what I've been imitating for decades just this one weird performance this guy made the only
45:04 anime he's ever been in I drew Mardon if you're out there well continue to live whatever life you have please if it makes you happy but if you ever if you ever catch the bug to come back to voice acting I will happily support whatever you were doing you were wonderful what uh what a just why don't what a wonderful singular little performance never to be recreated anywhere it's just it's I don't know if it's my favorite cuz a number of forces near they give my favorite but I'm glad we got this at least there are a lot of people who have short acting careers and don't go much of anywhere and I'm glad that for whatever reason Joe Martin left the industry he at least gave as this to enjoy for the rest of our days thank you thank you Joe Martin and on that note of sentiment we
45:51 should now continue on to our next set of characters who are less sentimental let's say we have some buddies of nato's and his weird teacher because it's not a high school comedy set in Japan if there isn't a weird teacher we have gaku Mauna Bay he is one of nachos friends he wears glasses he is very horny he is really unashamedly so it's it's a little much sometimes we have this other friend masa she I'm assuming Massimo name who is not nearly a sore knee and a little more calm and level-headed and his dad owns a truck he had the truck he's like 12 13 - right yeah well they're all in the same class so this is the first time I've
46:38 watched this show where it's even just hit me why are you driving a truck because they have an illegal job on the side uh delivering liquor no less wait what that's what they're doing they're delivering booze for the liquor store is that what they're doing yes yeah they mentioned they mentioned that in episode 5 I think yeah that when they were like driving along the riverbed and they come across the gunfight that's what they're doing is that really okay okay look it's small its small downtown Japan no one's paying attention I guess but that's still close by okay wow man the thing about fully cooling I'm discovering is I've seen it at several times and I've still learning new things about it and there's probably at least
47:26 like several like academic interpretations of the show that I could read and get a newfound understanding of certain things about this show it's kind of impressive how rewatchable it is in some regards man I thought the fact that like high school girls in laid-back camp were working at a liquor store blew my mind Wow okay and now you know that's [ __ ] that's wild he's 12 and he's driving and delivering booze hey man when you're out the sticks you know question what kind of work you can get that is true that kid that kids got a hard pimping life or something in his future and tell you what I think I think the implication might be that his dad owns said liquor store and he's just
48:11 paying his son to go deuce that would make much more sense but doesn't see that makes a lot more sense but still it was like okay but who dose at this point so chill out red you're 12 and your lips are too big for you rude accurate rude and and rounding them off we have a Jim komyoji who's their teacher at the middle school she is trying very hard to be an adult okay I've seen worse teachers but she's also having a difficult time showing these elementary school kids how to use chopsticks he's also having a hard time not having car problems oh yeah namely that she gets two cars
48:57 totaled in the course of six episodes oh it's she's not as bad as that one guy from great teacher onizuka but it's it's close I'm sure if there were more than six episodes they'd have had many more opportunities to ever car get trashed which by the way isn't there like a story about the the episode blank for the show I mean it was an OVA so they're like they don't have to be a set length per se III think it was just the fact that like the the twelve episode like TV episode budget was used on six episode so that means they got to do a little bit more visually with less episodes to
49:43 work with that would make sense anyways the cast for this crew gaku mana bay is being played by Bob marks you would know him for such roles as playing Ivan whiskey aka cyborg 0:01 in cyborg 0-0 dying the cyborg soldier that is the baby for those keeping track at home he plays Vegeta and perfect blue that is the creepy weirdo for you those of you keeping notes at home and he also plays go Gabon in digimon ah so hang on a sec kids which wit by cyborg 0:09 a perfect soldier though I'm the one from the 2000s that you might have seen on TV as a kid okay that's the one that got the blu-ray release recently that one I know what the one
50:30 that I think I believe it was just at justice Vegas yeah the one that justice has killed himself trying to fix yeah that one okay cool that's what I thought I wasn't sure that is my understanding it's that one okay I'm more I'm more surprised learned that going on played the creep and perfect blue that's something or that that's voice actors for you yep Musashi Masamune is played by David Lucas you might know him for such roles as Ichi Onizuka and GTO Roger Smith in the Big O and spike Spiegel and Cowboy Bebop as two people at home may have come the conclusion that David Lucas is a non-union pseudonym and you may be correct that sounds like a bad I've
51:17 heard of before it's actually sidebar I was doing research with episode and actually found a great bit from a cowboy bebop fansite called the Jazz Messengers that's a great name for a bebop form by the way it is I guess I'm assuming this is from like way back in the day but it was actually like a half open letter half interview by the woman who ran it between her and David Lucas which start off with a letter student Steven Blum saying like hey David's a very good friend of mine and it's true we do sound alike but we are not the same person because I'm a union actor and David does non-union projects so you can't be the same person because I get in trouble Oh a little little interview with David Lucas attorney which I found very funny
52:05 it's it's like it's like it's like that one comic of the dog like the dog on a plane and he's just looking in the mirror and it's just like who is that other dog who is he and that's just Steve bloom with a frickin sign on his sign on his neck that says David and it's like who is he as he looks at a mirror I know I know I used to do that like cons you wouldn't you would be like no that's not me I'm not David Lucas oh you have two magic cards I actually I actually read it to the guys but I didn't have anybody guess I request actually have a VG I bet bite take a picture I got nothing with it
52:52 [ __ ] anyways I feel there's other actors we should be talking could we say bar back though yeah sure and Jim Comey up miyaji is played by Jessica Stennis tenuous she is known for playing such roles as Gidget in Eureka Seven Ellen ah in gonna sort and blue in wolf's reign my question yeah would it be gun sword or like cuz I'm now learning in Japan anytime something has X in the title the X is silent so I guess would it just be gun sword in the honor of mid-2000s anime I'm going by how I would have pronounced it when I saw its listings on tech TV and had no better understanding about anything was pronounced either look I don't want to
53:37 you different app TX don't put it there that's my pot X gonna give up to us Rob it is probably gun sword but hey it's fun to say gun X sword it's true like the true OTP that it is also on that note you will encounter some pseudonyms in the show let's see if aside from the obvious one we had a discussion about see if you can pick out who and on that note yeah then what did what are your thoughts on these performances despite me being familiar with the work of Davis Lucas Davis Lucas David Lucas despite me being familiar with this work the most I actually had the least to say about him just because of the two best friends he's kind of the more chill one he's
54:25 he's got some big lifts he's a little more high-pitched and casual and kind of a chill dude I could see my self hanging out with with with Masamune Mata BAE I feel I would probably mata bay I feel like I would hang out with for like three minutes until I realized okay dude you need a you need a [ __ ] stop you need to chill for at least a good couple of minutes like you're bringing a hundred twenty percent I'm at like 65 right now you need you need to compromise with me a little bit here come the [ __ ] he's just kind of yelling and screaming like a bunch of [ __ ] where it's like he's talking about hey did you hear about that zestful bit like I hear
55:11 if she does she catches you doing doggy thinks she'll leave her mark and then they see the little hickey he got from Bobby Vee and it's like Oh where'd you get that mark it's the curse of the thievin he's a pervert pervert it's like oh my god dude tone it down a notch no it's like Bob's doing a great job I just want like mata bate just [ __ ] shut up never I just need him to shut up because he's talking about like oh he's got smoochy-smoochy Oh oh you are annoying you are doing buddy oh it's it's even better whenever he's doing that he's making a pun about the fact that the Japanese onomatopoeia for kissing sounds like the onomatopoeia for
55:57 the noise mouses make which is why he keeps doing that when he's dressed like a mouse in episode 300 that would make sense actually okay I like learning new [ __ ] about this show it's excellent for it ejl fascinating I learned a lot of weird trivia about what things are supposed to mean about this show and you will get it doled out to you as this episode progresses just FYI I liked alert I actually do appreciate learning some of this stuff because I never would have picked up on this or I never would have investigated as thoroughly as I think you would have uh and Jessica she is a teacher that is doing her best that is doing a bad job teaching grade schoolers how to use chopsticks also I think like the highlight of her
56:44 performance is what what is it is it just is it just a porno bag no I think it's it's a gossip rag that nachos dad wrote up which is all about the scandal that mean Amore's dad is currently in bro yeah okay so basically it's talking about all the the dog the dog is [ __ ] I believe I believe the idea is there's the accusation he's been sleeping to this secretary and also that said secretary was originally like bankrolling his campaign or something like that to which he was totally sleeping with his secretary well yeah but I just was under the assumption that it was like a porno mag and like her reaction to just seeing like those spreads was just people knows
57:31 Manik crazy not like 90s 2000s like anime faces and it kills me when it goes to like 200 percent said speed and she's just keep screaming never mind it's just slipping the [ __ ] out and just that water reaction cracks me up and I'm just like okay Jessica you didn't pretty good job so Bob David and Jessica all did a pretty good job but God mana but I feel like motivating like everybody's like oh you're Andrew you're very horny and stuff it's like yes but I'm chill I'm chill like you wouldn't see me being
58:16 like oh my god did you sleep with her did you get to touch a few did you get to cop a boob I'd be like oh hey look tits it's nice yes you more passive or you bathe I active or yummy that's the thing all of you think like I very aggressive and in-your-face about it I've got it much better about it in the years like I know how to keep that separate from my account nowadays the most you'll get is there will be a sub x risque aren't work on my safe for work where I'm like you know that's just good art I want to retweet it the one time I actually did accidentally between did not say for work thing it was like 8:00 in the morning I'm like oh that looks good and somebody straight up DM me on discord being like by the way I think he
59:02 just retweeted porn or something wait I did oh [ __ ] I did thank you I have not done it since they see Jamal I'm gonna get money out the way cuz I'll be eyes even though I complete the show today I forgot my mister character mostly I tell you pointed out go bye-bye I'm like oh yeah yeah I remember which one you hear stuff yeah Jesus Christ even I wasn't that preferred at elementary school my god but yeah you can really see this you may hear it Bob's voice like stupid virtue chi girls like it's playful de tres curiosity which is I like that he was in the mouse costume that cat costumes but
59:48 that's different story III like I just cheated out so after he gets the mock eyes forehead like they think they're like he's a perfect something because it just came out of you all of a sudden but really it was just bad timing for him bhasu budae i - in familiar with David Lucas and I could not believe that was him as a boy but then again you can actually hear his voice is the lower register like it's not being high-pitched rate things like this actual voice but kind of like this pretty big almost it's like like I get here now that I know it but in the several times I have seen the show I never actually knew that's who that was like oh I would if you told me is good
1:00:37 you told me back then when the show came out that he'd wasted boy if you told me who he was back then Toby our baskets I would have never believed that that was him I would never believed it but here we are the state agent now I know and knowing is half the battle to which that Jessica steady wheeze causes the teacher kind of loses that battery with those chopsticks cuz for God's sake that's not how you hold up what is wrong with you yeah she's doing the best dude try the best it don't take but you know she's a savage bad luck beat two cars totaled you did here stir this is not taking you say you see but they can you teaching a bunch of elementary school kids when she expects just doing
1:01:26 the best she can we try so hard to just good really kind of a flexed at her performance especially with the overreaction to the what you're calling it I don't stop or the bag it was it was a constant bag like it it's like a gossip zine that come on put together yeah yeah it's like so mm yeah it's a testament to when the show was made that someone actually makes a zine as a plot point like this this is weirdly pre-internet in a lotta ways they give ya odd the sticks at out that yeah it will kind of predate into that some points you know like I said Jessica does the best with
1:02:11 what she has it I can't fault it for that just teach us that quirky seriously learn how to pick up chopsticks before you teach somebody look chopsticks is something you kind of take for granted those are very hard to start out using I did I guess I also just kind of associate these characters being a little older than I'm kind of surprised that they are like learning to use chopsticks at this point well I think the joke is that all the children know how to use chopsticks she's the only one having a hard time okay okay that actually does okay that makes sense oh it's like practicing a fire drill there's like when somebody does the door I do it and all the kids know how to yeah that was the thing to be back in the day but anyway I'll buy do you have
1:02:58 anything you want say yes before you go on this is unrelated I just said you would are you familiar with images that precede unfortunate events yeah I just DM do you one to hurt later enjoy you're an [ __ ] hahaha oh no it's it's it's it's it's it if you don't know what it's proceeding it would so bad anyways where to start Bob barks is a lot as my hobby which is the correct reptak to take for that character because he's coolly just he looks like a nerd but no he's the horny hyperactive one don't don't let the glasses fool you and easy.you you would
1:03:46 probably get annoying if that if his character showed up more often but because these some of these characters are used a little sparingly I think it's the right level of like entertaining without getting to like nails on a chalkboard he's very nice as a Masamune who's just level-headed dude he doesn't because it'd have nearly as much time to stand out unfortunately because he's the level-headed dude his best moment is maybe when like that's my dad's truck why are you doing this what is happening or possibly just one of the many times he's sort of vaguely hassling mommy me because they are 12 unless they are very cruel and Jessica as Miyagi is just
1:04:32 she's very good at the yelling there's a lot of yelling with that character and she's just she's very good at the yelling she really she really knows how to match the overacting on the animation which is very important for that character I think good side characters very happy with the performances excellent times let's get to so let's get to some characters who in retrospect I realize show up a lot less often than I thought they did my hair crushes they get in Joost way earlier but they don't they're at least like halfway through the show by that point I know but I think in my memory they always showed up in like Episode two or something yeah I think I think in part because I've seen this show enough that the actual order of episodes has gotten a little moist
1:05:18 over the years I won't lie I also was surprised with how late they showed up to now that I think about it I was like no okay first I think partially because one of them is such a distinct and strong performance he feels like he showed up more often for those you know who haven't guessed I'm of course talking about on the role and lieutenant uh consider a balmy I'm gonna be honest I don't actually I actually did not remember his name was Amaro which now that I think about it is that as [ __ ] Gundam joke it is probably a gun I mean look who's making this [ __ ] show Abbi I think he did point that out to all so I did look up had to be plaid two figures Dave's so yeah like they say his name is commander
1:06:03 Amaro but I'd always just do him fight one thing eyebrows eyebrows everyone knows look I don't you could tell me I want to show a lot he asked me what's that character's name it's like I don't know he's eyebrows that's all I know about him he's got eyebrows he's got eyebrows he's gonna browse and they might be obvious they might not be real eyebrows no they're not real eyebrows there are two pieces of seaweed that have been strapped to his face yeah the sidebar one of the out now I'll save that for I'll save that for we talked about the characters so these two or ker some sort of government agency type thing they are investigating on the one hand the medical Mechanica company who
1:06:50 appeared to be up to something and they're also investigating uh how do Co who appears to be maybe doing something with medical Mechanica maybe not it's not clear but they kind of want to not have the Earth's geta you know it's really nothing D wrinkled yes so and they're trying despite maybe their own efforts Maduro is played by Dave mallow who you know for such roles as you AutoKey an agent he plays a professor Isaac Gilmore in cyborg 0:09 versus devil man and he's the anti spiral of Gurren Lagann oh [ __ ] Oh entertaining okay that that's pretty interesting he actually does like
1:07:36 a lot of stuff he does a lot more nowadays and I give him credit for cuz I spot him in like when I was looking through this I spotted him in the first season of Jojo and Hunter hunter 2011 yeah he's one of those guys he's around he's still around good baby maybe not a lead but he's around oh he's [ __ ] Akuma in the Street Fighter games nowadays that's why I recognize him okay good for him yeah good for him oh and lieutenant Kotetsu balmy is played by Elle Villa she is known for nothing no one knows who this person is they don't actually this is I believe like the one alias where it's just like
1:08:21 it's nobody knows who even knows it's an alias maybe it's Lindsay Villa we'll never know why ah it could be looted I know it'd be very weird if someone named their daughter lieutenant or someone went by lieutenant but that is possible I suppose would that be LT Villa then uh we don't know yes as I mentioned we don't know who this person is they've never had any no other credits to their name as far as I know no one no one's ever like claimed credit for this based on what I know about the casting choice were again the Japanese I was very involved and people were very much gassed to match the kind of performance and vocal quality there was the Japanese my vague guess is that they might have been somebody who worked for a sync
1:09:08 point but wasn't an actor normally or at the very least hasn't done a lot of acting since then in anime voiceover whatever or else they probably would have claimed this role at some point you're thinking it was somebody who worked in the studio who was less of an actor and more of just like they were one of the engineers or something like that yeah it would I know that I mean I know like often drawing from like the crew happens at other dubbing studios and it would check out with why cuz like I they stayed in the industry I'm sure at some point they would have like said something there's true so the fact that they haven't suggested was probably a non actor who was picked because they vocally fit the role well hmm but that's purely speculation on my part we may never know uh and on that note what if Andrew would you start us off what do
1:09:54 you think uh Elle Villa I she sounds pretty cool she does a good job sounding like the stern like female soldier type lady who also upon re-watching like we had a discussion before this where you mentioned episode 5 was directed by a little-known little knowed guy by the name of hearing Yuki Mayu she I was just gonna ask it where you mentioned man there are people who like go their entire lives trying to find their style and basically he just nailed his exact brand of his exact brand of content from
1:10:39 day one doing that episode as far my research can tell I think is in the first like he's only a major thing prior to this might have been doing some key animation on an episode of Evangelion so yeah the fact that like this this shortly into his own career he had figured out yeah I know what I want to do I'm also pretty sure like he actually I think he was also the one who animated like the whole sequence of now to trying to bring his dad back to life I mean that wouldn't shock me yeah but it's just like see you as soon as you brought that up that he directed that episode I'm like oh my god this [ __ ] female soldier is using a [ __ ] Yoko litter sniper rifle yeah this makes sense I
1:11:27 kind of the feeling that I was familiar with more of the crew who worked on this show I will be able to pick out a lot of stuff that's like oh yeah that this is very clear like so and so is this like thing or episode or something like that like like I like I was saying there's either like Neon Genesis guy necks or this trigger guy next this is very much the origins of the trigger gainax you have you have nothing else that was he my issues first directors gig so that way it's very literally the origin of like the trigger branch yeah very much so but ya know she doesn't do too much but she does a pretty good job something like the authoritative soldier and also she has some crazy lewd reaction phases yeah
1:12:13 are you referring to the bit where our eco pulls the flying vide out of Naruto's head and all the ladies in the room have nosebleed there yeah you endo going on in that seed and like her [ __ ] face it's not only just her she's got the whole whole days holy [ __ ] that was hot then you've just got the girls on the computer who also got like big-ass nosebleeds and it's like they're just doing their job and they have nosebleeds like oh my god and also she's kind of think Scotty's hot baby everyone think Scotty's hot look at him ah bah you're just making you think of your note no gods life and how all like the robot [ __ ] are a very unappreciated brand this is a show about the robot [ __ ] there there there are robot
1:12:59 [ __ ] in the right here right now in this day and age your robot [ __ ] because they saw flcl at an impressible age and when mommy mommy me is trying to kiss Conti they're like yes so so they pull they pulled something out of their head the same way that Naoto kun did I mean who doesn't want a robot with a TV for a face let's be real I mean okay fair enough there's there's a comic book who have an entire species hold that hold the [ __ ] phone back up he might you think for a second yeah dead leaves was a movie he directed that was his first movie he directed yes that was his first full directing gig that also has a
1:13:45 guy who just has a TV for a face on it yes it does oh my god it all [ __ ] good ex it's
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