Entretien avec Dr Njoya sur le Ndop

0:05 [Music] lady is sure we are this morning at the level of fondane in the framework of the valorization which kills following brought to pay the long and today we have the privilege of having in front of us the doctor gioia who is a historian of the and who specialized in this field of the north and who today far from the chu the elements of understanding of the fabric

0:50 nope of more its origin until its valorization I am to come said mikel years I am in love anthropologist of training and young professionals of the cultural heritage so gentlemen here is what you can plan to represent us yes I am two players I am artist invocations on the department of history of the decorative art of function and historian of the art of training of which I am in addition to that I am consultant laughter of the palace of the kings mom and to say that the house of the

1:35 culture of the palace of the kings if I understand correctly we are in your territory can you in a few us in a few words a tool some notions of understanding on the peoples of the lower world in general good it is clearly defined and of wheat of love are the descendants of tigers these few words because when Charles a young man is here in these lands there were already peoples who inhabit and the visit and wild and a general of all just implement another way of weight by assimilating to

2:23 the culture of the indigenous peoples and leaving the national culture in Russia because and see how risk a how they managed to establish themselves in this dance and territories to form a little and which on the artistic level is well known throughout the world so quite simply because cannot launch a federation of several targets and each beginning brought its know-how to the edification had the art and culture m and it is the set of these little benard who each has slope it know where the changes and that is

3:08 why visibly in the framework of our work this morning the emphasis is placed on the fabric no according to my research the Bamoun people are rather specialized in the world made of a party can you in a few words give us the difference between the two costumes yes I could summarize myself I mean that the varnish goes special fund ization it is a garment an enthronement costume quite simply but the balloons I am also worked on the north is the origin of a dawn is lost in the mists of

3:53 time because even the square of Nigeria claimed the paternity of the north scarf of a class in your moan and the world they belong but what I can say in relation to these nobles is that the bamoun known and the history of the town where Odile time this with the arrival to power of the new conqueror and it is said in a story that when you had given birth to a baby his wife who puts a lot of aesthetics made a little clothes that waits for him is this a real life and when it counts you came to carry the baby is and settled in the mountain to hold

4:39 we all love the front the baby is beautiful and it is the moment for them to enter the vocabulary and the mammoths and my for means May Habib there we can first more one body of water the first part of this question but the second it is always a relief to see many competitors when his son troops or rhythm in double was a son a very very influential with powerful force and when he died and the not foam with them they were sold following and a war of succession because they wanted when the power of his father he even killed his brother are consumed who was like the one perceived as his

5:24 rival but when we took everything to kill him we did not want to make a film had everything for and he told us fell on themselves and there was no more rain there was famine and everyone under suffer and the forwards said that it is face of corona internet or not in the standards in the conditions of a normally in priest and that is why there was bhutto the problem rate of complications in our values ​​and so it was necessary to make a film in two of everything for all the princes to decide to make the fire of

6:11 all wood had the fabric in the 18th and as there was not enough fabrics to get involved locally and the bars have resorted to roland west power in the [Music] the onions and being able to accommodate these dissidents are that the thick expenses to celebrate the memory of leaving everything man and which had not been sealed fold to its fair value so that's how can we go back to the origins so at the barbers thank you this explanation we can see that you have put the emphasis on the back it allows me to bounce back on the question can you

6:57 give us the origins of the word justice a tooth from which the real tube which we all know is worn by the features of traditional chiefs yes there I had the opportunity to have a piece of original fabric and which was found in the family heritage is a haunting when we see it looks like a very long time so and I can say that this fabric no which goes back a few decades is a

7:47 red fabric direct I asked the origins of the myth us a broad true that here others that we know who did not wear the traditional chiefs where does it come from yes so I say that etymologically first the ch and the bars the name comes from the mandate which means that as much in this fabric the town hall came the historical aspects in geology and aesthetically because the creation of these motivates the which enter the gold the development of the discourse on African art was cleverly thought out by our

8:34 ancestors and we have a field it is motivating their use is one of the ideas that they had to test through its different patterns that we see through this fabric and its fabrics and is not worn had not been worn by everyone among the mothers it was the fabric that was worn by the pres speak the high nobility to celebrate events it was also a fabric that was worn by the condemn them the ministers the actors among the women or to be able to continue certain rites and which today of the ess a history written

9:22 through through time and I think that this dock crown here it is one in so prized that deserves to be saved in the bathtub of the children who are born today and which binds me two rounds only thank you for this question I will go back a little in my understanding of the world in and my question marc arises from the hesse that already I can touch this fabric because since I was born I was made to understand that the team therefore were not touched by just anyone and

10:08 and strongly and will not carry then my question is to know if what you have in hand r the real water why is it that I have the possibility of touching it or you have the possibility of you know that with the history with the advanced city time there was a phenomenon of the region which came to thwart in one way or another what the tradition has prescribed or to facilitate the understanding of what is what the tradition has authorized or prohibited what the tax and its vice

10:53 versa be one of the clan links what the version authorizes is it to find what the nation interview this is how is it that now has become a fabric today sold on the market but Europe which is made there the eighths cannot not find it this noble has on the market and to wear even his costumes made with this man who continues to participate in rituals have in them it is not for everyone there is sewing seat if you wear it you risk having a malo and suffered and which can lead to either you vote blindness or rogers

11:40 ability to no longer cast and so on so sedan is not authorized was touched by everyone and because it is an original and which was used in certain small hours thank you for the question since we are talking about the origin of the costume others my question is to know how and they must apply what is the material used to make this fabric yes there was what is called in the jargon of 10 years decorative dyeing by the network of reserves so we had more we built its

12:25 offal flap of cotton what follows not there in strips as you see there it is crap we sewed we tried to rally its different from the sea to obtain the who fabric a little wider on which we can intervene for the master the patterns and I think that this question that you have just submitted and it really deserves to be understood by everyone for all the channels is not what the name is made by all Cameroonians as I can say because the textile weaving was done in the north east

13:11 when the traders of the sloping basin and htc you on the bar and we came firstborn son pattern that he drew on the fabric he weighed with the raffia fibers and to leave it is a problem [Music] the test is a space that will be that they will feel it like patterns and then after having been able to return to the north to deceive this in wells that we call which contained a solution called indigo that is to say it is a maple sap that we call Monday Gucci and when the story of there in it was made to cut the girls taken on a

13:58 slope and then the spaces that were sewn beforehand remain white and that also creates patterns on the fabric is what we can see this that it does not mean to wear at all times because the fact of washing the fact of maintaining tin to these fabrics and removes this value then it was and equity and through time and then the back but there in the cells and tissues which was very difficult to be designed and which was

14:45 also prized by the markets because we make parliaments of the knees but for this brilliant explanations since we are talking about the patterns is there a real meaning in relation to the different patterns that we find in second on wheels and without meaning here she lived rue des progressistes before and which are part of the hull novodio of the two castles of the vaysse patterns which render in its cosmogony and talent and its cow way of seeing voices the world of interpreting

15:32 life you will see for example here that you have here there in the layer of willi balz is motivated represents the stars of the stars which is the symbol symbol of predestination because people say that when you had a very brilliant it means that you are still urgency of an age here it is the attraction of the two- headed serpent it is the two-headed and spicy serpent in the afftac form here it is the symbol of power and vigilance we have here the motifs that the Basel beautiful souls which means the heads of

16:17 lens and the spear in the African tradition is the symbol of military power we have here the diamond motif which represents the sex of the woman and which is the symbol of the population you also have there the toad which is represented here and which symbolizes the farm andy thê so each motif that you see on the name with well-determined precipitation and here next to you have sector of sufficiency with the decorative motif which comes from the nature which presents it the tree of peace and which is the symbol of

17:05 peace is repeated plan of and especially in ea border of the two concessions or less of the limits and its different conceptions and to avoid also that there are colleges and interests to be able to lead people to live in agreement this is how you can when the different tools there are also other magic that we touch it and on its motifs and on fabric this accident and which had no

17:51 meaning last year and which was just for short the very aesthetic aspect of the fabric and have good because we have not pierced the mystery to enter into the meaning and its patterns the arts is a short moment of the casu that we can go into a depth understands what it means what thank you really for this explanation which also allows me to really understand the interpretations and the social representations of the applicant we are this morning in your workshop and I find myself

18:36 facing several who are others several could several games wants me I see with another model another material I see different colors I see badly here at a cap with cowries and I would like to know what is today in appeal the time yes I too ask myself this question because when I decorated the walls of the palace of the kings mom and those who are there nagged my mind because Europe which was now worn on

19:23 the wall shopping especially when we are not we knew that our site is simply the fabric on which we impose decorative patterns and we obtain the color indigo blue and the white color and indigo blue here it is the most to present life and white is death so here this complacency and teams in the same role for an offer of its aura and its sacredness to this amount is brought to events them the fight of unfortunate events when I disconnect so the walls of the palace of the kings in the water I was confronted with this question

20:10 people said that you make northern patterns for you work the adoption the null I said to myself is it that we can call that when since these facts on the wall the time for me is what we must as we see there is the white and black color s the patterns that we play it on the north or not it is simply a development of an element that we find it in lines of karting African origins well I asked myself these questions and I said to myself that the name for my only one and first of all patterns and support we

20:55 can come to the point and I also had a veil a little to do other types of names on different institutions not in white and black in white and the whites and more I also used two colors to mount that in the areas here this is where I printed on the world with a forced barrier is in the name given by one of our students was a coffee so it also gave me a little balm to the heart because I said to myself here the students are also interested in those of the season because seriously that we are going to leave this heritage we

21:43 also play that to print the dob on the pommel to show this federal iti this generality of the Cameroonian fabric then according to the world it is a vegetable material which is often harvested in the sugar over a year I do not know how the call I think that there you always call to the good so I we affixed decorative motifs of an ope there to show that Cameroon can have a fabric that it can please or eti since

22:30 interested several moderate cases same system does not interest everyone we also produced is our fabric lt fabric had patterns you have here and It is the continuity of our banks that we have done here you gave us this idea of ​​producing fabrics with patterns to many patterns of order and the body fadika of Mali so here we can produce a fabric that concerns Africa already

23:17 and that is how we tried to butt it to find this way that can be a unifying way and that can interest the flight not only the young thanks there not also the cases currency but also Africa in its we also continue in the dogs to see if in the future we can find patterns coming from other parts of Africa and its lawn and the dreams to have something I don't know what typically African and that could hardly satisfy us either is it that we do not do what we do not do that

24:04 because we want to do it because we have to leave something to posterity serious but also a royal concert counts besides its explanations when I hear you speak I realize that you are part of those who think that we must globalize the fabric of men to no longer have had a wind from the south which certainly belongs to the tango helmet or quite simply, but having others as tourists during a visit to a festival can be organized on other individuals can

24:50 return with an object that reminds him if we arrived or he his stay on Gabonese territory so how is a tank worth art historian how do you think that today Africa can better promote its heritage yes I think that through tourism we can truly valley van zyl quentinois we are here the final is another concern is to be able to make known these elements of the

25:38 black African cultural heritage which is a party mentières and which deserves to be preserved and through the manufacture of shoes like convoy is there and which bears the motifs of the north or from a commercial source we can make that available to tourists in the trade winds and when we had something made at the mothers and which bears the mark and cultural of the people thanks no it could also sell the image of the Koné culture we also have here is that what they

26:25 made based on engines equipping three colors there is the blue white red and which is the color of France and we know that if the bottom of things they come here as tourists and they can when they see that and devos and the interested and then welcome certain objects presented with its target it would make us very happy to see that on the level of the globalization of culture the case world also thinks France in an ultimate production yesterday we have hats like that which are for him which should normally contribute to the development of

27:11 tourism we are also not going to think of a product of the t-shirts she says of the twenties there is the disposition of everyone because these t-shirts cdti only a few steps also very proud and who can help you there is the world to sell our culture the Cameroonian culture of inculture Bamoun the culture class the year and we also have fabrics the summer we have a country but we forget but the patterns of the writing bardon it is another dimension of his

27:58 work that we made vote here I simply tried that can be made available to tourists and that they should visit to resell I think that there is still we received a lot of reasons and when the time comes we will share more emotional has come and we will perhaps have read the league we can put all that is for louvier the pleasure of the tourist who aligned ribéry thank you for this explanation in your capacity as

28:44 art historian do you not think that the opening of the north on an international scale to desacralize or contributed to doing the same of the origin or the heritage and cultural value of the edge that we know which normally represents history or the culture of the people because if it in particular and Cameroonians in general yes but thank you for this question we have a concern that in front of the culture African culture Cameroonian culture my is across

29:31 Europe we have noticed that lately the name which is original the nook which is manufactured according to the old aesthetic canons and sold on the market and what makes that the named already verbalized and desacralized we saw at the sica this type of fabric name which is manufactured by Mrs. Hasina but for him the relay to give to this fabric another dimension we wanted to make a surprising one by dividing the system of our players an argument of the mobiles on the fabric to have a man who is

30:17 halfway between modernity and tradition between industrial and craftsmanship so that's for them what is our concern today it is not just a way to desacralize Dennis Conner leave a way to value it on one side because we want the authentic original name to be more necessary at the disposal of those who are able to wear them that's nice everyone had to wear on the ess is called original to the notables and finally this declination of the north to

31:03 show the children what our ancestors were capable of doing because that today obstructed us less and less and it is an honor at the risk of weak it is different aspects of our culture which is trying today being decided to forget history and that is why we have today to give a dimension back or to have it worn by people who are not in secret societies and who want to wear and in front of place of culture thank you in your heart for this interview which is tending to its end we

31:49 thank you for your availability and there we see that you have right next to us a design which which bears the name of size to dominate our interview is what you can briefly tell us what it is about yes it is a plaque which announces the opening of a gallery in which we will produce patterns of 10.1 of our different it is manufactured gadgets to be able to be so that they could be sold on the market and a dowry design we have sacred

32:35 Muslims you go up nor see my case and research where I draw Ducati patterns they will be made so we will support the dhabi patterns we will make shoes that we are going to make purchases we are going to make hats for m when it is in this shop and its shops it is not all black I do not do it for myself I do it to increase our dimension of the training that we give to the students of the pink city a game but a test available to the students and then I will go back knows that he can do it in this framework the note idr yanis

33:20 tommy jake from here to there in and then we are the sale because it can also help the students to have the some of our days the sowing it is a small problem of which they are victims today because when we invite there the ends of the month there are stables which still have two thousand francs to make the infractions if we can allow them to drive for life with different designs to leave their music is at the disposal of all the same saved they will still be able to sell something to be able to provide for the little man there thank you when we travel for this interview

34:06 do you have a final word before we close yes I followed everything just thank you first of all thank you the next one the professor master who speaks who I knew you and who spoke to me well about you about you about your research and I tell myself that it is a gentleman who is really who she has two hands and opened up a gentleman who does not who does not want to see only two days for him the one who wants to have a federation of several ideas in power arrived at the success of these societies

34:52 so that is what I tell you I thank you for having come from France to arrive at the camp in the world and come [ __ ] badly it can also the interest that you have in this aspect of the cpeti tenors of Cameroonian and African culture thank you very much for having tried us for this interview and we hope to continue this collaboration and receive a lot of other information concerning communist culture in its entirety thank you very much