Let's Talk About: DIGIMON THE MOVIE (It's Really Good For Like 45 Minutes?)

0:00 hello welcome back to the waffle press podcast I'm your host Jagger Crespo and on this episode of let's talk about movies a show where I usually bring on guests to talk about a movie that they're very passionate about I decided not to do that this time because I love Pokemon and this is the opposite of that I'm just I'm throwing caution to the wind here today people I'm here to talk about Digimon the movie the movie event you've been waiting for is coming to theaters this fall Digimon the movie but I'm not here to talk about it by myself today I have guests very good podcasters and amigos of mine

0:47 from across the pond you made it sound like we're oh yeah there's another pond it's like the Gulf of Mexico accounts am I wrong but I'm not on the other side of the Gulf of Mexico are you not for you am i no I'm not are you sure I know my geography I know my United States sir can you please leave yourself so I can talk and weigh it on this fun bag damn it my name is Sara Sorrentino and I'm here with Alex go ahead say your name I'm Alex Fernandez and we're the host of we forgive you a podcast that goes about as well as the last 15 seconds half so you know podcast about forgiving your favorite filmmakers and actors and properties worst films and

1:35 yeah that's about it yeah yeah and you guys were nice enough to have me on to discuss oh yeah from LA which is yeah which I went into with my with my arms up my guard up and I was like no I don't know about this and I came out happy and I think we all came out the other side at least enjoying ourselves yes don't want a t-shirt like him riding the wave that image is just like embedded in my brain has to exist I'll put the link down to that episode below go check out their podcasts cuz they're wonderful people and I wouldn't ask them to come on if I didn't think that and I also want them to remember the good times we're here to talk about Digimon the movie I think I'm

2:22 gonna take it to Alex really quick you were familiar with Digimon prior to this uh yeah definitely so I was a pretty decent fan of Digimon as a kid it was a Fox Kids property and for the uninitiated Fox Kids was distributor of Power Rangers so whatever was on that programming block I was gonna be watching it and so yeah I remember watching the show I wasn't super into it like it wasn't like a merch thing like I wasn't going out buying it rampantly but it was enough for me to go and see this movie and yo this movie's [ __ ] wild Sarah you were not familiar

3:07 with Digimon what is a Digimon they're they're digital monsters and they they are the digital champions yeah and then there's like the digit touched by a kid did you Destin yeah did you destined yeah yeah that's did you Dustin's I don't know why you have to say it at such a sarcastic tone of voice it's not it's very clear they don't live in the Internet they live in a different world all right so here's a breakdown the digidestined are a bunch of kids who were destined to connect with the digital world with Digimon live so they're they live in our world and the Digimon live in the digital world now going into this film a film that I

3:55 remembered very fondly up until I revisited it it uh it does not make it very clear that that's what is happening in fact it does not make anything very clear and it also opens up with like a 20 minute short film for an unattached little other other property that I what are you talking about Angela anaconda yeah yeah that's on my my VHS come out this movie is surprisingly not on blu-ray and also to my surprise it's just free on YouTube nobody's really claiming that nobody nobody really wants to pick that one up it's just so user just go watch it I want YouTube to rent movies like well

4:41 if my like American dollars and just go up to the YouTube man and say hey can I please watch this and YouTube man said no no this one's free guys nobody cares here just it's in the bin just pick it up nobody nobody's face there's all of this like copyrighted music on this movie but we don't give a [ __ ] what what that's about and I don't know why it's not unclear a mean did you month I was popular is like Pokemon but you know it's it's own owned like property in my childhood I had one Digimon card which one was which one was which one was it I received that digit I have no [ __ ] idea to him I received you know what I do remember it was the yellowish dinosaur one alga moon yeah but it was when he had like the cubone mask Oh little grey matter grey Mon yeah

5:29 Rogers cream on that's that's a great question and you know how I received that card Taco Bell kids meal oh man I got one I think I'm correcting this but if I'm wrong I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure I got it from a Taco Bell kid's meal and I put it in the back of my Pokemon card binder by itself Wow it was like getting its own page sleeve because I was like I don't know what I'm doing with this I might as well start collecting these things now I can't Pokemon for life ride or die I liked both growing up well you're a trader Diego you're lawless okay it's pokemon or digimon you choose

6:17 I remember getting in a fight with a kid around who I used to hang out with when I was a kid and we argued about Pokemon vs. Digimon and he said Digimon came first is that true I have no that I do not know I need to know this so I can go back and find him a message ship and yell at him oh I don't care but what I did do research on was that it's a 2000 film directed by Mamoru Hosoda and shiki Yasu yum-yum ouchy ouchy directed a lot of digimon episode and he's still working like the the anime industry today Mamoru Posada was just nominated for an

7:05 Oscar I please we're a movie called Mirai and he's done stuff like summer Wars and what and you could tell like the art styles very similar yeah I actually recognized the art style a little bit I'd say it's one of the interesting things about did you mind the movies that it has directors with actual pedigrees in it like a shiatsu Yamauchi actually directed a whole bunch of Digimon stuff but he also did a lot directing for Dragon Ball Z and he was actually a part of the animation Department for the Transformers the movie like the animated one which is for me or like the all-time like children's animated films so and like outside that like Mamoru who saw that like directed summer Wars and wolf children in like a whole bunch of like

7:50 well-regarded anime so like it's out of all the things that you assume to be like attached to something like Digimon the movie I would not expect these two names and I think that's kind of why this is so offbeat and weird and also kind of why I really like it why does this movie turn in a fail-safe like halfway through like dr. Strangelove like we have no control over the nuclear bombs we're doing everything we can and at some point they're just like we can't do anything about it it just it's just gonna crash before we go before well in the conversation because I think there's actually a lot to talk about with like how [ __ ] weird this movie is I just found out like the other day when I was

8:36 looking stuff up last-minute that there was like 40 minutes cut from these individual like acts of the movie and that's because they were originally like their own series of short films that were released in Japan and they just trimmed them down and like compiled them into one movie and like there's some like weird like bylaws that that allowed them to legally call it like an original movie even though it was not that that makes so much more sense because this is yeah I thought they were just opening up the movie for people like me who have no idea what the hell's going on and I was like okay this is not a bad way to open up the movie these kids are like trying to stop there but new monster friend from killing another monster whatever I

9:21 get that a nanoq as soon as it starts cutting just like I don't know what you guys are doing anymore cuz I never watched a series so here's the thing I think I enjoyed this movie more now than as a kid because as a kid this completely boggled my mind so the the opening part the first part of the three-part film is about the main character of the show meeting a Digimon for the first time and even though it's the Digimon that he meets in the show these events take place years before the show and the fact that he has the same Digimon is completely unrelated so it's just like a bit of backstory that just completely confuses and is just like just did more

10:09 to just offset like any enjoyment I could get from the film as a child because the thought that there was more than one Agumon the precious orange a dinosaur man was just too much for my ten-year-old mine's a handle yeah I was right there with you I as a kid I was like it doesn't make sense and I was always preferable to a generation one did you want the generation 2 is fun but like generation 1 was those are that was the squad you know there's no like Angry cactus well that's that's mimis and she was on vacation he was just on vacation the whole oh the hot chick on vacation okay that makes more sense so I don't get to see that did Ramon at all the

10:54 only one I actually know how do you make how do you like make the Digimon movie not have like the gang together you know that's a pet peeve of mine they still bothered me among other things that I want to say that I did like this movie I did enjoy what revisiting it but oh my god good lord there are issues I'm sorry movie know this movie is like introducing somebody to your favorite band with just all their b-sides and like offbeat singles and covers like like this is not this isn't like standard Digimon this is like the

11:42 weirdest versions of it like none of these three short films represents Digimon as it is in the TV show which is kind of buckwild you'd think with a hit ratio like that come on at least one of those shorts should be Digimon but like none of them really are how does that happen yeah they're just they're so weird the hacker character and everything in the middle short was and then they're like trying to bring him back as the main villain of the last part I didn't feel like a movie which is obvious now why and and I just I still don't quite understand what's up a Digimon like they can just evolve as much as they want yeah there's like tears

12:28 I guess so why don't they just start off okay that's their living entities yeah so that's like saying that's like saying like why wasn't little baby Clarke any medially big old Superman they grow they change they have different power levels how dare you use a DC analogy in conversation I'm sorry this is like saying like why is he do you even know why isn't little child Goku on his little soft cloud immediately like level 5 super saiyan literal god being actually that's a better analogy yeah that one nobody has to train up to that I watched those had to train up too okay but in the first short he goes from bouncing ball to massive evolution thingy in like

13:15 that's why the first short makes zero [ __ ] sense within the continuity of the TV show we've established oh yeah that makes no sense now evolved a little bit more and they just do well the characters and the other shorts had already had their adventures and their journeys whatever they were all just chilling then they're like oh no the world's at stake nuclear weapons what and then me as the viewers like what the [ __ ] this has never happened in the show but the first one the first word I do want to say that the animation is like really good the colors are really rich I really like the parrot did you that never appeared again I don't think in the series and that was it was cool to look at and it frustrated me because even like outside of being like a fan of

14:01 Digimon I was like wow this is this is rough this is really kind of hard to sit through with the over-explaining voiceover and the the nonsense music drops leave Kyrie alone carries so adorable and so four little whistle oh my god that is precious baby Sarah come on she she was - oh yeah that's Marty's two year old in the world so yeah the first short canonically doesn't make a lot of sense and like I think it's really hard for me to like judge the shorts because like I'm trying to give it the benefit of the doubt knowing full

14:47 well that like obviously the original Japanese versions did not carry such buckwild music choices and the overbearing voiceover of Kyrie telling you about how Willis was involved in all these adventures even though he doesn't show up until like the last act of the film and so like knowing that that probably wasn't included in the originals like I've heard that like a lot of the action music was actually more operatic and grandiose and not to thousands but rock so like ya know I don't know not in the regular series but I don't know so he's just some white guy they threw in so like American audiences would like honestly probably maybe that makes more sense I have a favorite line

15:37 from the first part okay okay yes yes by all means the little bouncing Digimon says you two are the best friends I've ever had and then the girl responds were the only friends who ever is that supposed to be funny that was hurtful no no Kyra Kyra sassy that was I think that one was intention here was that sassy I mean like that's rough yeah commercials you expect her to give top-level socializing like humor like what do you want actually I do he was an egg and then he like became like a rapidly [ __ ]

16:23 little ball like I don't there to poop jokes with ya and you know what I laughed both times I'm the problem with America I recognize that so that's the first short which is like which I think looks good but Oh nonsense but it's kind of nonsense when it comes down to it like I appreciate having as an adult pre-show having another look it feels like if somebody who didn't know Digimon was suddenly tasked with making a short about it and just decided to make like kids playing around with kaiju that's pretty cool the second one because the

17:08 first one genuinely frightened me I was like I don't like this now I feel kind of bad for making them watch it the second one I kind of fell back into the rhythm obviously there's like a nostalgia pool so I'm gonna have some bias but like I think as a as its own like story and narrative it at least worked a little bit better their stuff to like attach to you know there's like a through line the stakes are set up right it relatively quickly I like the the internet stuff with like how it's all I connecting these kids across the globe no computer hackers oh yeah yeah John even though like it's like everybody's everybody's like these little figures walking around the Internet

17:53 I like that stuff that's probably my favorite part of this yeah I really loved how the internet looked too like when the and the evil Digimon how do you remember his name and Ebola bomb on thank you wow that was impressive but he's like walking across like those red and white lines and it reveals it's like the American flag cuz he's stealing like the American nuclear armaments I was like wow this is really impressive filmmaking what's it doing sumon movie yeah yeah when they were like in the Internet there are some inventive things going on I always like shitty interpretation so what the internet looks like I think that's one of my if that's a like a genre film oh yeah it's it's right alongside the original Tron and Tron Legacy for me

18:39 yeah yeah although I think those are better movies probably yeah absolutely I wouldn't put them in the same category but this part of the Digimon the movie is definitely my favorite like I genuinely enjoyed this one and like not only is the visualization of the internet really cool like I like this naive idea that like if you go to the Internet like physically it's just a bunch of it like JPEGs of carousels and like Ferris wheels just always moving about I do I don't just say though like I would expect an interpretation of the internet like this from like the early 90s late 80s or even like mid 90s but this is your - this came out 2000 right am I wrong yeah so that's kind of weird right it's a little late in the game but

19:26 uh yeah no it's it's late in the game well just pretendin animation took a while no fairness we don't do we know when the original Japanese versions of these came out because was there like a long term like take a year or two before unexcusable sorry this part is probably the favorite it includes a mention of Power Rangers which is pretty cool little little girl Kyrie gets her friend a pink Power Ranger for her birthday and then disappears for the rest of the short but I will say like even though some of the separations are kind of arbitrary I like I I can now appreciate

20:13 it as like this sort of interlude between season between seasons just showing like like the whole group of friends like sort of like drifting apart during the summer break and sort of not being able to get in touch with one another and also sort of having to save the world on their home turf just by hanging out on the computer and like basically asking for help from everybody on the internet like it's it some of its really naive but so it's also kind of like really appreciated and kind of sweet like the fact that this movie dedicates any time at all to like tie and Sora's like little like fight with one another and you get to have shots as like everybody else doing their own thing in different states of like progress in their lives and like breaks and stuff like that I think like that

21:00 stuff's like really enjoyable and kind of sweet to me and it is but it's like it's like when the season is over and it's like summer and they put in like a filler movie to tide kids over until next season of the show you know I mean and that's why it just doesn't feel it doesn't feel right it feels like it was supposed to be like a filler episode yeah I kind of agree with that but then I'm also I'm of two minds because Alex you brought up that it feels like in between seasons thing this canonically takes place after their second go in the digital world so they they fought the dark Matt there's a dark masters name-drop in this so that means that they've already defeated all the evils and they're digi ventures and I'm sorry

21:45 Sarah that means yeah they have like the digital 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse one of them is like a joker like warlord thing there's a sea dragon it's awesome did you my kind of kicks ass huh [ __ ] oh yeah no did you mind [ __ ] rules like there's no reason why there shouldn't be as big as Pokemon you sure we can't go back and watch the Pokemon movie mu-2 you remember me I do remember me too you see what I got [ __ ] up with the digital yeah me too have amassed a [ __ ] second with his [ __ ] eugenics [ __ ] [ __ ] that guy you would have gotten murked immediately he would have gotten ejected from the internet digimon are overpowered and weird control-alt-delete [ __ ] I never thought

22:32 I would ever think this in my life but while watching this part of the movie I thought man they should have made Digimon the ride because some of these POV shots of them going through the internet tunnels just kick so much ass and I just really like I felt in that Mona's like wow I kind of just wanted like an actual theme park attraction that take me through Digimons version of the Internet just go on Space Mountain and close your eyes pretend the tunnels pink I guess work but then but then I'll go mom won't be there and he won't be you know saying his stuff like don't take me out coach really funny oh you know this this part

23:18 of the sort was like really genuinely funny like the interplay between the characters ties mom being like oblivious to like the world ending events and also like that she's a really bad coach yeah and the fact that is he just goes along with it until it like at like basically this shorts like third act pivotal moment has to just take a massive [ __ ] it's a pretty fun way for things to play out and I liked that interplay between like like the the mundanity of like the real-world goings ons and in their home and like the severity of the stuff that's happening across the screen and like isn't that just kind of telling for like every kid's life on when they're on the computer it's like everything that they're doing on the Internet has so much importance but like in reality

24:04 they're still at home with mom and like she's making them shakes so like something about that just feels really charming to me and this this one also just looks the best for me I feel like I think the first one takes more creative license with the characters and gives a overall more of a stylistic shift but I do like all the little touches that go into this and all the more creative designs that they have like I like the fact that the Digimon when they go into the Internet instead of having black outlines all their outlines are orange and a bunch of other little touches like this that like helps set it apart from the show and just sort of brighten things up a little bit I think this looks really cool I don't know yeah no I'm this is definitely my favorite of the bunch too even though the characters

24:50 also don't really get to like spend too much time together I I really it was nice to see them again well this could sound we were I was like all nostalgic for like people I hadn't seen in forever and these are fictional characters and I was like oh man did you want rules you should we should bring this back I want to see like the original version of this one short now and it's full like Japanese go right because I feel like it would just be even better and it definitely won't it'll be better without [ __ ] let's kick it up by Paul Gordon playing in the background of like the pivotal fights you know what it all works for me now it's too engrained in my brain anything else would feel weird at this point and that's on me but it is something I thought a lot about and I feel like it's

25:37 just got to stay that way Sarah what do you think about Paul Corden yeah yeah give us some some Paul Gordon thoughts what's your Walter Paul Gordon ha take let's kick it up or maybe why don't we kick it down oh no you know what this is why the music is important to this movie the awkwardly slap dashed American early 2000s music cuz it has one week by the Barenaked low my god [Music]

26:24 actually that's the one I'm okay with oh my god I I want to find the CD I need to find Digimon the movie on [ __ ] CD can i I'm gonna go to my grave the digimon original movie soundtrack slaps slappers only on digimon re it rips guys I don't know what to tell you man like the only thing I can say about this is I kind of liked how the internet looked that was it otherwise it was really weird there it

27:12 was kind of funny but like I don't understand what's going on who was that old guy in the DigiWorld who's that oh that was like their digital Yoda yeah it's digital Master Roshi he's blender yeah sure yeah he's not as all present in the show as like splinter is but yeah about that that's fine is he here buddy I don't know man he's like pixels in show which ones Oh Angemon and Angela Mon cuz they're angels and angels aren't people I know ya know sorry that's I didn't mean to say bad stuff about angels like complimentary to each other oh that's an

27:59 arc in the series when the two youngest members of the digidestined in the original generation feel like they aren't able to contribute and they're not given the proper like you know respect whatever for being on the same journey they've discovered these did you it's a whole thing it's a whole thing sir I'm so sorry I tossed you into this I forgot how like insular this one is [Laughter] only three parts they've made no sense I only 60 minutes long zero out of 10 stars where was the angry cactus did you run I love it and show up in the end listen here here's the last thing I'll

28:44 say for the third part cuz this one kind of was fine I didn't like it nearly as much as the second part sucks this is the one where I was like oh this is a little long I kind of liked it but it didn't need to be as long as it was third part was [ __ ] I actually I was riding the high of the second part and I was just like this sucks now they're just in like abandoned post-apocalyptic New York for some reason and they're just helping out this dumb kid Willis I did like that the bunny had guns for hands though that was pretty cool oh yeah it was awesome but the third part was like a huge disappointment they were like talking up Willis I thought Willis was gonna be cool he wasn't cool he was boring us out he sucked listen the second part was about

29:30 like literally everybody online on the web like banning together to like stop a [ __ ] evil giant virus monster bug I think she Sarah got shot in the back Digimon the movie Sarah I'm stressed out I'm stressed out well here I tell you what if you guys want to come back on some other time I would gladly talk about a Pokemon movie with you guys I think I would have had a better time if I sat down and like watch some Digimon episodes like I don't know where to start with that I have no idea how many like are there there's a first

30:16 generation and second generation I do remember that it's on Amazon Prime and if you just like go to the show I think it has them all and there's just like in order yeah I don't know I don't know working on Pokemon right now but I think I would happen to her time if I understood some stuff I didn't find the characters all endearing they were very interesting to me I don't understand why the brother the same character is just like the brother in the second-generation cat shut up I'm trying to podcast castling Digimon man either either diegetic Lee in the movie or outside of it apparently he was like why the [ __ ] are you

31:01 watching this weep [ __ ] my son I'm sorry cat he's still yelling okay no anime is indeed bad I think Digimon is good wait hold on how did we what I mean most of it is but that was just like an indisputable fact that's except for like cowboy BB yeah okay okay alright we're getting there yeah all set us up some bee-bop's bee-bop's can hang yeah yeah bee-bop's and nichijou cat please okay I I think we'd better

31:51 wrap up so the cat doesn't doesn't kill Sara I'm sorry I'm so mean to Digimons I'm sure they were great in the 90s it's it's not you have to understand it's just not easy it's just not easy being a die-hard Pokemon fan for life and then being told to watch a Digimon movie it's not easy you know your first live-action movies gonna make a bajillion dollars I'm saying yours like I'm not a Pokemon getting all defensive gnomes I apologize but I'm sorry to have done this to you

32:36 without prior real quick acceptance and knowledge if the Pokemon movie does well would you want to see a live-action digital movie no no no it needs to be an absolutely I don't even want to see a live-action Pokemon movie from being honest no me neither like I'm surprised it's happening and if it become if it turns out good even made York really good even I mean what what anime live-action anime has been good really Jupiter ascending that's not even like but it is basically a nude anime I agree with that i would also say Pacific Rim oh yeah all Pacific Rim is the best movie ever anime movie ever ah yeah [ __ ]

33:24 your Godfather yeah that's really the best movie huh they haven't made another good one since then it's all [ __ ] bad since that's actually true but yeah I don't necessarily want a live-action Pokemon movie it's gonna happen so I'm gonna go see it and I'm hoping it's good but if it's not then good because I don't really want to see a live-action Digimon movie happen and that's the only way we can really bury it in the ground Alex why don't but okay like two-thirds of Digimon the movies questionable and the one-third that I do like really like has a bunch of problems but it's also a movie about like teens getting together on the Internet to do some good and in

34:11 2019 that is like such a refreshing thought from like an innocent age the innocent age of 2000 but I don't know and also it's just kind of like surprisingly competently animated and like users like interesting like shot composition one-third of this is better than it has any right to be even if that's still not good enough and I think that's pretty cool the same person today because that's that's pretty accurate to how I feel Pro+ internet portrayals on the on the the movie screens because we need them nowadays because it's it's harsh sometimes and Twitter's is poison and

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35:42 convince the MoMA to restore this beautiful film do it just this on the movie at MoMA at MoMA I saw because I was looking for screen caps cuz like I like to you know to get my pictures ready for when posting on the youtubes and the sound clouds links down below by the way and someone was doing like a blu-ray refurbishing of this but it was like just individual screen caps and it's like quality's [ __ ] amazing off the Z's if you're watching this on YouTube I'll put them up right here and I'll put the link down below to where the person did that and they made like a their own version of the blu-ray cover that doesn't exists you know it's really cool

36:28 check that out too and check me out bender okay came out they were just like drawing over photos stills and like making I'm like fully animating like full episodes to a point but you can kind of you could kind of see the difference what that says to me is that people who have taken taken the lessons top bite Digimon the movie to heart and working together on the Internet to do some good what is what is Pokemon done for society how dare you Alice how dare you people walking into people's backyards and getting shot by their conservative grandparents while playing pokemons oh stop it

37:14 Digimon didn't hurt nobody Digimon encourages friendship yeah the villain did that Sarah the psychopathic villain did that it doesn't Digimon doesn't encourage you to put your pet in the fighting rings for sport a nuclear bomb in Pokemon yeah because the world is so [ __ ] dystopian Aria nobody can bother people we have exactly one cob there we have one cop she's a cloned cob hi we have clones we're not talking about it welcome to pokemon world here's my

38:00 creepy grandpa he knows all about signs he's gonna give you a monster he's gonna make you leave your home at age 10 to grab a couple of [ __ ] pins why does no one have a father in Digimon or Pokemon oh I don't know that might be a coach thing I think it makes it like harder for the protagonist I guess maybe that's an anime thing too because like I don't know that that's a rabbit hole I'm not gonna look like an animated film thing maybe check me out on Twitter at comedy with Crispo SoundCloud patreon down below help me make money off this thing so I come buy a better sound equipment and a better recording area thing so thanks for listening thanks for watching thanks for joining me we have been professionally

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