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0:00 Is a doctor like Tifa suitable to be a diploma researcher? I said that Mr. Jokowi's diploma is not sick, right? The detention was carried out for 24 hours, right? So, after that the defense letter has to go down, bro. Yes Oh, the defense letter must be issued automatically, it is mandatory. Moreover, Mr. Monggok Kerso, please, if the police want the judge to take this, who is it, Bang Rismon, we incite Dr. or Mr. Masroi who raised Rismon, you know. [Music]

0:55 Hi hi Indonesian unpacking consensus room audience wherever you are. Asalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. Today I am Budius Mauruf Piliang, son of Suluh Mulyo, not a camel breeder from Mount Sahara. Well, so I've improved it a bit . Yesterday, Mulyono's eldest son was not Mulyono's livestock. Well, I got input from netizen friends, don't use Mulyo livestock but not Sahara Mountain camel livestock. Okay. What does it mean? We listen to and pay attention to the input from our audience. Thank you for your attention. Well, today, the case of defamation of Mr. Jokowi, just like what happened yesterday in Solo, Mr. Jokowi was also questioned and today

1:40 is the final questioning of the reporting witness. The reporting witnesses who were questioned today were two reporting witnesses, namely Silvester Matutina and Ade Darmawan. So, after the last reporting witness is examined, maybe a day or two after this, the Metro Jaya Police investigators will hold a case conference and maybe summon the reported party first, right? There are 12 people. Well, after that, perhaps the names of the suspects will soon be determined and announced by the Metro Jaya Police investigators. So, what do you think? We have kidnapped two of the reporting witnesses today, namely the Secretary General of the

2:27 United Indonesian Advocates Association (Peradi Bersatu), Bung Ade Darmawan. Thank you, Brother. I'm both Bang, it's an extraordinary honor for me and Bang Budi to be civilized today, right? Extraordinary. Extraordinary. I'm nervous, Bang Ad, will this get through or not because the examination finished at 3:00. Yes, at 3 o'clock. 3 o'clock. 10 o'clock. From .30 o'clock, I mean .30 o'clock, I mean .30 o'clock to 11 o'clock. Bang Ad, if we look at it, everyone is waiting, because they are waiting, especially when will these people become suspects and even if necessary, they will be detained. Because if you look at the body language of the 12 people whose names have been mentioned, it's He. One remains without guilt. Yes They even feel oppressed.

3:14 That's right. The term is being criminalized. So they are everywhere, in other words, Bang Adik's friends, Bang Silver, they are playing new dramas. That's right. Well, this is interesting. So, from Bang Adi's examination earlier, can you describe to our audience what happened during the examination? Approximately, the investigators focused on the 12 names that had complete evidence and so on. How many questions were asked and what were they? Can you tell me, Bang Adi? Yes So, eh, Mr. Budi, I can say that this is indeed the investigation stage, sir. If yesterday maybe we asked the question that was not directed at

4:00 one person or several people, but this time it was extraordinary, Bang Budi. Hey. That means he focuses on one by one. It was questioned like that about A, B, C. But I can't convey the content of the question and answer. Why? Because it will damage the investigation. Yes Damaging our investigative system. However, if I look and pay attention to the direction of the question, it is quite detailed. Hmm. and there even the telephone number that contacted us and so on was questioned. So it's really very ee ee detailed. It's no longer like yesterday in the

4:47 investigation stage. I am very confident, Bro, that this will soon determine the suspect. Why? Because those names already exist. He has already mentioned A B C RS then RS then there is ee TT RF AS entered AS ee AS is also questionable Bang AS but ee we will see if AS has another witness He is indeed a specialist for AS. Hmm. In our case, he is not a specialist. So how many people were there earlier, bro? Four. Four names. Four names. Ro Suryo ee CS yes. Ee means I'll just call him Bang

5:33 Roy because we reported Bang Roy because we never mentioned that. Because why? Because it is really ee what is it called? He is his role. Hey. His role was amazing, bro. Since 2020, his role has been geared towards bringing down Joko Widodo. If I say grand design, that's for sure, bro. Why? Because 2020 is after the stupa, yeah. Oh, he got sent to prison because of that too, huh? In 2020, the verdict was around September 10, I think November or October or November, right?

6:21 Bro, I'm not quite sure, but what I know is that the date was on the 9th, the court decided he was guilty and sentenced to 9 months. Well, after that, well, it started, bro, it was really fast. So he was probably expressing his revenge, perhaps because after being released from prison for 9 months, he started to dig into things related to Mr. Jokowi. Let's say he's an ee an expert. Hehe. But earlier I also discussed with the investigator that what is the actual status of an expert according to you? Hey. So I said the expert must be sworn in. Hmm. can't be that expert. I have

7:06 expert testimony then I was not sworn in as an expert and that expert cannot testify. Hey. He must be asked. Hmm. Asked ee to whom he was asked. Then what is this expert on? But if he is an expert, he should actually consult with the owner of the thing he is going to examine. For example, let's say someone like Mr. Joko Widodo, he asked for his diploma, right? He has to ask nicely, I want to do research if it's allowed, if it's not allowed, it's not allowed. That's how it is. If this expert really wants to come to Mr. Jokowi, Mr. Jokowi, I don't believe in your diploma. I ask if I want to

7:53 research whether this is true or not. Then, if you allow it and this is for the people, for example, just keep it quiet for now, alone with Mr. Jokowi or whatever, that's his business. But as far as I know there are ethics there too. So there are a lot of violations. Then secondly, Bang, what I need to emphasize is that UGM has ee what ee academic and student governance. Hehe. UGM's academic and student governance is the database. He managed it not in a way that there were

8:39 administrative findings. He, this minor finding is a minor administrative finding in my opinion, Bang Roy. Why do I say minor? If Bang ee, Abang's friend says that it is a big zero, if I say minor, Bang. Minus. Why? Because it does not match the correct data. H. Then if you want the correct data, there is a place for it, bro. There is UGM where UGM has a section called academic and student governance. That's where the data is, bro, the database of one student is clear, bro, right there. So, we don't need to go to the library, ask the rector, we can't do that. This is a university

9:26 law institute, there are parts of it. So, for a J database, did he go to school or not? KKN is not there, bro. In the EE governance, there are academic and student affairs of faculties, for example the Faculty of Forestry at UGM. Well, he has to go there to ask for the data to be valid because the authority that states the authenticity of one diploma is Mr. ee, this body is the body that is the academic and student governance body. Okay, Bang Adit was questioned earlier as a reporting witness, right? I ee what exactly was it that Bang Ad said in the report when reporting it?

10:12 ee what is this defamation of character, for example Roy, Rismon, Rizal Fadilah eh or Tifa perhaps right? What was confirmed earlier by the investigator regarding the element of defamation? Ah, that was like this, ee investigator ee discussed, yes, I ee because I can't convey the question and answer, but discussed that, according to you, is a doctor like Tifa suitable to be a service researcher? I said that Mr. Jokowi's diploma means that this man is not sick.

10:58 Hehe. Hehe. Well, even Roy can't. Bang Roy, Mas Roy Surya can't do that. Why do I say I can't? Because he is not ee analog that he dia pritsah. Let me give you a clue. Indeed, this was discussed earlier and it was not allowed. Why? Because the analog diploma is analog. Oh, it's different, bro. Yes It's different because digital doesn't require paper testing. Hehe. Specimen. Hehe. Ink, what type of font? Types of letters and so on. Well, if they are probably from type I, maybe they are forensics, right? Yes Yes But I don't think Roy Suryo will be

11:45 included in the EL. So that was confirmed by the investigator earlier, right? Is it true that Roy Surio or Rism are really that expert? Experts and who gave permission? The certification is also asked. The certification was asked, yes, everything was asked. There are some things that are normal, that's fine, but there's the main thing. But in terms of the investigation, I consider this to be final. Hmm. Why do I say final? Yes, I'm just telling Bang Roy Ces to get lots of rest, pray a lot, right? Well, then get together with your family often. Because we

12:32 can't negotiate with this, bro. This this goes into this item. Medan people said to Brother Rismond I said this item is coming in, Bro. Why? Yes Yes Because it's so amazing. Then ee on the account, yes, I'll give you a little clue on ee's account, ee is a Rismon. Hehe. It's there, bro. Oh. There are some really sharp statements , bro. Oh, and it's all in the investigators' hands . Yes That really hit home, bro. Bro, I want to ask an expert, even an ordinary person would definitely say this is rude. Oh, I missed it. Extraordinary. Yes, bro. It's not that there aren't any. So, we will see in court that

13:17 Bang Rismaka was shaking or something like that, everywhere he went, he was shaking, he was shaking, he was shaking, like that. Ah, why is this, bro? Because he knows he knows that he has done 28 verse 2 and that he can't deny it anymore. Can't deny that 28 verse 2 is fulfilled there. Hey. Continue the incitement. If it's incitement, bro, it's very easy to prove it in court. It's very easy. Why? Later the judge will prove that it was incitement. Why do I say that the incitement was proven by the judge? Later there will be something called crown testimony. Hmm. They were separated, bro. Hey. Yes, I'll take an example. Separated.

14:03 Then they were asked one by one. Who invited whom? Who gets whose information? Hmm. Hey. That will come around later. If this goes around, Bro, will it be discovered who is instigating who? Oh, did you find out? It will be found out eventually, it will definitely be found out, right? For example, if I were asked separately, let's say my brother was examined first. Hey. When I came here, whoever invited me would definitely give me information. Hehe. Yes, right? Let's get you checked first. Let's say you said that I asked my staff to call Mr. Dik to come here, right? Hmm. So, then I was examined myself without my brother's knowledge either. Is that true or not? The one who called these siblings was Bang

14:51 Budi's staff. That's how it is. I lied, bro. Oh, not Bang Budi himself. Well, that's where the incitement comes from. Well, there's nothing that won't be revealed, bro, in one examination. This is the professionalism of an investigator in presenting evidence. Tested at the prosecutor's office. Then it's still being tested, bro. Tested at the prosecutor's office. Then tested again in court. H so that when ee is deemed sufficiently fulfilled, the prosecutor will carry out P21, not P19 anymore. Well, here we see the war between each institution because the reporter will be represented by the prosecutor later. Oh okay. The reporter will be represented by the prosecutor

15:37 later. This means that he will be represented by the public prosecutor as the state attorney, yes, if he is in court, yes. Well, so ee handed over the state and then the state took over to defend ee as a prosecutor. Well, Brother Adik, when they were carrying out excavations or demonstrating in front of Mr. Jokowi's house, I heard a lot of stories that were quite scary, but actually their intentions were scary . for example, ee secretly it turns out that their real intention was not to meet Mr. Jokowi, right, to ask or persuade Mr. Joki to show their diplomas, but ee it was circulating in WAGs that they actually wanted to burn down

16:23 houses and all sorts of things. Well, do you think that's what you saw earlier, Bang Adi? Eh, in my opinion it was during the Solo inspection. Oh, there's a Solo inspection. So in Solo, neighbors and local residents were examined. Bro, that means the investigators are asking the entire community. Yes The people there. So it's like this, 160 Heeh. it 's always said that there has to be a Heeh effect. Hehe. What is real is that in 28 verse 2 it is the same. That it's not just social media but real. Well, the question is very easy, bro. Actually, if we want to examine it further, then the simple proof is that I

17:08 came to your place, but I didn't come in a good manner if it was like that. Oh, show me. It's not like that. No screaming. Burn, hang Jokowi. H is that right. Hehe. Hehe. And that's it, bro. I opened this and there is evidence that Jokowi was hanged and Jokowi was burned. So that's not the issue , bro. Oh, it's real, there's a video. This means that when they came to Mr. Jokowi's house, after they went to UGM, they went to Mr. Jokowi's house. If at that time the security at Mr. Jokowi's house was also weak, they could have entered and burned the house down, right? Danger, bro. Oh, that's dangerous, bro. it will happen the

17:55 desired things. It's not coming in a good way, bro. Oh, that didn't come off well. Why use women here? A mix of women is more common because the easiest to manipulate are women, who are actually the easiest to incite to do things because they exploit a woman's weakness. This is a setup, bro. If we use a criminologist's analogy, who is the most easily influenced? and least expected to do things that are in quotation marks like that. Well, it could be a woman, sir, who was pushed and screamed, then became anarchic, heeh. Hehe. Maybe you should consider holding it if it's a

18:41 woman, don't leave it alone. This is a criminological analogy. But there is a thinking tool behind it to set that, bro. So not all women either. Well, there are men we see too. Well, here it is. Well, later we'll share that role, bro. Is there any proof, bro? Brother, what was found or what has been obtained by investigators is that it was indeed the intention to burn down Mr. Jokowi's house when they went to the house, was it just on the spot because of emotion or was there already a plan as discovered by investigators. Indeed, there is a plan because it comes from the conversation between person A and person B, you know. I what do I mean? I understand that there are no items. Yes. Yes Barbook. Hehe. Like Molotov bongs

19:27 or things that can be made to harm or be used, until now I have not received any information like that. However, the inspections of neighbors who were uncomfortable, those who did not feel comfortable when they were there, were also carried out in Solo. Well, this is a real act of intimidation. So, here it is, bro. I came to my brother's place and asked him to show me his diploma. I am not a legal institution, I am not a court, I am also not a police officer. Then I intimidated Abang. Do you know this is intimidation, bro? Oh. Psychologically it is psychological violence. There are various

20:13 kinds of violence, bro. There is real violence. Some are used via cyber. Through cyber it is blueing. So if it is categorized that oh there is no real action, who said intimidation forces someone to show their diploma to the public. According to you, is it an act of coercion or is it not a violation of the law? Breaking the law. Yes behind this simple shop, Sir, the Joko Widodo Institute is protected by regulations called personal data protection. Hmm. That personal data, bro, is attached to him.

20:59 Everything that is attached to us is personal data. SIM, KTP, diploma, yes, family card, and so on are attached. That is our personal data. Well, my question is, if it is shown to Mr. Jokowi, Mr. Jokowi is also violating the PDP. Hey. Why? Because it's his personal data. Hey. He was forced to show it because he was forced to show it because he violated the PDP ee then the person who intimidated him by putting him under pressure violated the law. That's why we always see whether a lawyer on the other side is able to draw a

21:47 different analogy than the analogy of legal construction thought that is built by the police and the prosecutor's office later in court. Because of this, bro. It's not hard to see the inflammatory statements. I haven't said this in the media yet, I just said to King that it's very easy, very easy, very easy. H that later we will be asked who instigated it, ready to meet, Bro. But that can only be opened in court, okay? Yes, just go to court. Then, I also said that the leak was very easy, that incitement bank. So he said someone had to be instigated, someone had to be instigated. It's not like that. Oh. If you want to look for those who are being instigated, just go to their circle. Hmm. It

22:32 doesn't need to be me, we are the ones who provide the witnesses, just do that. Certainly. So when they came to the house, it not only had the potential to tarnish Mr. Jokowi's good name in the surrounding area, but there was also an element of intimidation there. Intimidation is a crime or not, bro? Criminalize it. Criminal, yes. How can a person be forced to show something that is his personal data. Hmm. Hehe. While the one who forced this forced this will with ee findings, he said, minor administrative findings. Hmm. That's a minor administrative plant.

23:20 Let's say I have a photocopy of my diploma, it's not analog. That means I'm a minor. That means I found one administration and then I researched it. After my research I consider this L level my analysis states that this is not the same as the results. It means minor, bro. Why? It's analog. Simple bro. So that's what is said, that an expert cannot claim to be an expert without being sworn in. Without being sworn in, this statement was taken on his own initiative with invalid data . No way, bro. This is actually if yes yes

24:06 we see in this court this is what will be the real key later ee then there is no diploma. Now like this, bro. The violation of the law is simple, right? He Mr. Joko Widodo has no merit many times in any media Bang they speak clearly. Baban doesn't have a diploma, didn't graduate, didn't graduate, only has a photocopy. He didn't say he graduated straight away , he only had a photocopy of his original diploma, right? So that the meaning is shown. That's right. No, bro, this is already slander, hate speech to incite the Indonesian people, ee the people, his group,

24:52 heeh. who spread this so that it can influence people who are still wondering whether it is true or not. Well, this is what he wants to incite the doubters, yes, he wants to incite the doubters who have knowledge too, let's say those aged ee 20 ee 5 years and under h to 17. Well, this is the easiest space to influence, bro. Ha ha ha. This is the space that is most easily influenced. Well, this is a statement that must be stopped in a way that has to have a deterrent effect. Hmm. I also asked the investigator earlier, I said, "There's a habit of the Regional Police, bro."

25:38 Hey. This Metro Police has this habit, bro. This is not the Criminal Code, nor is it a regulation. Hehe. But it is often done by friends in the police. Just think of it as tactics. Tactics tactics. But it's not a violation of the law, bro. Therefore, he can schedule it, Sis, anytime is his right, but he doesn't have to force it to be that day. Well, it's called Holy Friday, bro. Tomorrow, of course. Oh, next week is fine. Next week. Next week is fine. Because they haven't been called yet, right? Yes, not yet called. I mean this holy Friday, bro. I'm handling the case, bro. Wherever the Regional Police in this republic are, when they talk about holy Friday, bro, what does holy Friday mean? Why? Why is Friday sacred or what? Is it because Fridays are short working hours

26:24 , or is it because Fridays are the days when things are most likely to happen, for example, to be announced, suspects and detained. Usually, if we look at the Corruption Eradication Committee (KPK), the Regional Police (Polda) sell it, and even from Monday to Wednesday, they are detained. But there is a term for holy Friday like this, bro. Check if this is the most lawyer here. Yes Because we have experience as suspects, potential suspects are being questioned as witnesses, bro. Hehe. Set. That's been a long time, bro. The working day is Friday. Hey. It's been a long time, bro. Hey. For example, if he comes in the afternoon, or sometimes people, if they are Muslims, will come after Friday prayers, right? come start check at .00 hours. T tek

27:11 tek t good afternoon, bro. Yes Well, it's .00, yeah. At 5.00 the PJU tanks had all gone home. Hmm. The PJU have all gone home, especially for the Regional Police, as usual. That's the PJU during working hours, right? When I get home from work, my cellphone dies, bro. Oh, the phone is dead. Then if the cellphone dies, bro, then goodbye, bro. The PJU is the one who can determine whether to hold or not, that is the authority of the PJO, right? Ah. Well, if it's not active, bro, if the president wants to call, if it's not active, you can't blame him, bro. That's what's called Holy Friday. Friday is

27:56 sacred because Saturday and Sunday are holidays. Saturday and Sunday are closed. The cellphone turned on again on Monday. Monday means 1*24 hours past the limit, right? Yes After all, detention is carried out for 24 hours. Hey. Well, after that the arrest warrant must be issued, Bro. Yes Oh, the defense letter must be issued automatically, it is mandatory. So, Monday is what people say, ee yellow and pink sheets. That's the yellow and pink sheet, bro. If one of the officials has taken us to move rooms, we are lawyers, Bro. I was already flustered . If suddenly he brings it suddenly brings yellow or yellow or pink paper. A wah, never mind, you

28:42 already know you'll have to endure it. Oh, he's been arrested. Hurry up and find shorts, but you're still in the police station, right? Police Station, sir. Well, this is the usual one. So Bang Ade thinks it will be next Friday. Yes, hopefully today will be the last day for the reporting witnesses, Bang Ad and Bang Silver. This means that starting Monday, the person summoned by the investigator is the accused. I am the reported party. So let's just say that on weekdays you are called Rendo. Even if there are witnesses who will follow, that's no problem, sir. He can also be summoned but the main issue is the reporter Heeh. the whole thing is finished. Not a reporting witness, yes. The overall report is complete. Clear

29:29 is complete. Hey. Well, if we are the reporting witnesses, it's clear too, right? Well, I think the rest is waiting for them, even if there are additional witnesses, they can follow up. So the accused comes first, then the accused witness. Ee, what do you mean? Ee, this is our last reporting witness. I think it's the last one because all the reporters, including Mr. Ir. Jokowi only has four reporters, bro. Oh, yes, yes. This has all been checked. Hehe. Hehe. Hehe. Reporter. Witness. our reporter. Hehe. It's been checked too. So, who is the remaining person reported? Even if there are reporting witnesses who have not been examined or experts, this can follow. The important thing is that they finish it first. They were reported first and then called.

30:14 Well, that means 12 people. Hey. And I am sure that at the same time or usually random random random. For example Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Hmm. Ee let's say 33 ee Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Who gets it on Friday? Who's getting this Friday, bro? I'm not trying to scare you, bro. But that's ah, pray a lot, ee, call your wife so that she doesn't go far from Polda Metro Jaya. Well, if any of them suddenly don't come when called or are sick or out of town, that's a

31:00 forced effort, sir. Is that a forced effort? Forced effort. Oh, the pro is that it's a forced effort, bro. We were also confiscated, sir, or we couldn't be represented by a lawyer . Can't. We were also confiscated, bro. Hmm. Where's the video? Where is this? Until I want to confiscate the others too. There are lots of things that are going to be confiscated, including laptops or something like that. Eh, so there really are a lot, but because we had prepared another disk space, that's the only one we confiscated earlier. I, indeed, those 12 people can no longer deny it, Bang Adi, because their motive was not theirs, all this time their defense was that this was criminalization. Why are we scientific researchers being criminalized?

31:46 they forget their actions, their statements in the media, right? It doesn't show that he is a researcher, he is slandering, he is defaming someone, especially a former head of state, right? This is also sacificah, Bang. Hmm. What the Metro Police are doing is scientific crime, this is actually how an investigator's scientific expertise carries out an examination. So, if you asked earlier, criminalization is reversed, bro, my question is like this, bro, who raided Mr. Inst

32:31 Joko Widodo's house? Rizal Fadilah and friends. Friends. Okay. Their group toll. Okay. Say so. Then he came there and asked to see his diploma. Hmm. Yes. That's the first one. That's intimidation, bro. Hmm. Then the TPU report forced another case title. Hehe. Even though the authorities have said it is genuine. Hey. Forced. W no way. this must be the face, this must be this. The authorities have said, H, as I said earlier, that the authority to declare something genuine or not is not in the hands of anyone. Hmm. Pusla for Mabes Pori because it is already in the lab

33:17 due to their request and ee UGM as a university. Here's how it is, bro. I conveyed it in various conversations. I said, " How can you convince me it's fake?" Hmm. Because my brain has never accepted what is in my brain, bro. The question is whether the diploma of Mr. Joko Widodo Institute was printed by UGM. Mr. Joko Widodo's thesis that he wrote was placed at UGM. This is what made me think, how could that be possible? Like this, bro. Bro, you have a bachelor's degree,

34:02 my question is, who printed it when you were given your graduation, who gave you your diploma, bro? Faculty. Faculty with the way we wear toga or whatever, yes, it is shared. Although actually the round one is not necessarily a service because it is still being printed . Proof of graduation. Proof of graduation. Well, that's done by the faculty. That's the first one. Second, we type the thesis. Hehe. From morning to morning, right? So where do you put it, bro? Library. The library can be sorted through the ee supervised by the thesis supervisor who is allowed to go to the trial table. Okay, great. So the item is signed, the bag is neatly wrapped, put it in

34:50 Yes. To the library. My question, bro. Suddenly, this UGM campus, H, was established in what year? There was one person who was in power at that time. Say he never said he went to college but didn't graduate. H is accommodated by UGM, whose band is known for producing leaders in this republic. We can't deny that, bro. Hey. The highest ASN bank is on average from UGM.

35:36 Hmm. Yes, their intelligence is also good because they are good leaders. Well, then there was one person who was accommodated because he had power, for example, he was accommodated to damage the image of such a large university. It doesn't make sense, right? That's why I said, "Bro, convince me, Bro. Bro Roy, convince me, Bro Roy. Mas Rismon convinced me that it was wrong, that it was fake from UGM. They couldn't convince me, Bro. They couldn't. How could they convince me? Meanwhile, I asked, "Bro Rismon, did you come to UGM to meet me?" Uh, yes,

36:23 all his classmates have theses. So it's at UGM. Hm. What's wrong? Heeh. Can I be an outsider? Because I have the power, I asked UGM to put it there. I put my thesis in the library. No, no problem. No, no problem for me, Bro. I, because we also studied there and actually from the case of Prof. Sofyan Effendi, I, Prof. Sofyan Effendi, the former rector of UGM, was also quoted as saying. Heeh. They also tricked me, by Rismon, by Ruryo to make up a story as they directed. Yes. Finally, it was corrected again channel by Prof. Sofan Effendi, right, until warned also ee

37:09 UGM leadership, right because the calculation is SKS, meaning UGM as the institution that issued Mr. Jokowi's diploma until this second, the form yes form is unshakeable by anything, finally Mr. Sofyan Eveni was summoned by e UGM leadership to correct his statement. Yes. What does that mean? Their statement turned out to be a complete hoax. Yes. A hoax. Well, that's it. That's the task of what I said earlier, Bang. Hm. Right? Ee academic and student governance can prove that. Hm. Yes. The Chancellor is above, Bang. Hm. Heeh. Who did the Chancellor ask, Bang? Hm.

37:55 This is the person who manages this. He is not him, he cross-checks downwards. He asked this, Bang. Academic and student governance. Hm. This field is the one being asked because he is the one who knows that this is in accordance with the procedure, not the Chancellor. Well, this is what I consider to convince me that there is no In the data, there are theses at UGM. There are diplomas printed by UGM and recognized by the Directorate General of Higher Education. Well, the last one, Bang Andi Roy Suryo, said he will reveal it in

38:42 court later. He has new evidence, he said, that Mr. Jokowi's diploma is fake. Heeh. The public thinks that Roy Suro's statements like that show that he is not afraid. He doesn't feel guilty until today. Yes. This is where we see, Bang. What's wrong with Bang Roi? If you see Rismond, you're upset. He's already upset, right? His tiva has started crying, right? Logic, Bang. Heeh. Bang, if I can really say this is fake, Bang. Heeh. Clear. I don't need to look left and right, Bang. Heeh.

39:27 I have to find a glass. I have to find mineral water. I don't need to look for this person anymore. I already know this is fake . Heeh. Heeh. I don't need to ask the betor anymore. I don't need to ask the faculty anymore. Yes, yes Yes. The band notes are for staff who don't hold the data, this data can be accessed. It's easy to upload, open, and so on. Well, I don't really understand what it's about, your diploma or your thesis. Is this included in the confiscation stage or what? We don't understand. But as far as I know, it's common to access. Right? That's why I said, "Bro, if someone is sure

40:14 about something, they don't need to look for it anymore." Wan. "Bro, let me ask you. Let me give you an easy analogy . You are sure about your life partner, right? Right?" Heeh. If you're not sure, you won't marry her, right? Well, if you're married, you want to look for another girl, right? People are already sure, that's why they married her , right? The analogy is simple. Yes, yes, yes. So we, we, I think the Indonesian people who watch this show, especially our subscribers and followers, have a consensus. Hm. Yes, please, this is very clear. Please judge. He.

41:00 Is what I'm saying right now beyond our reason as humans to think? Hm. Simple, sir. If we already know that this is certain, why look for it, bro? He's going here and there looking for people's mistakes. It's not fake anymore. Why look for it again, bro? He's even looking for her brother wherever he goes, right? This is an analogy of accusing, but after accusing, then looking for evidence, isn't it strange? Strange, right? I, I, that's why I said convince me that you are right legally and socio-politically.

41:46 He. If this is considered to have politics Socio-politically, are you right? H can't , bro. Socially, they don't want to accept that either. He , our society isn't stupid, bro. Well, they're getting fewer and fewer. They've been decreasing since Mr. Jokowi handed them over and they were confiscated. Well, that's a very significant change . Bro, you can see. Yes. Yes. So people are curious to see what the verdict is like in court for Roy and his friends. H. Yes. Are they given a heavy sentence? Earlier, bro, I was at the Regional Police. Suddenly, reporters were waiting for us to leave. Suddenly, at the Regional Police, bro. This is for God's sake, bro.

42:31 We didn't set it up, it's okay, we don't understand. There were women carrying signs like that, signs saying arrest and imprison, but they were told not to invite them, we don't know who. If they want to be famous, then go ahead. But the famous one is arrest and imprison Royo. Yes. Oh, Roy Suryo CS or just Roy Suryo. Royo CS is a group of slanderers. Hm. The harshest punishment. Well, this means It's already started, bro. He he. The public has started to see the public, especially Mr. Monggok Kerso, please, if the police want. The judge wants to take it. Hm.

43:18 Please examine it, then UGM. He. Yes. It's finished. So this is the term in the film, it's about to make a closing statement, right? Yes. Oh, it's closed, bro. It's closed. And this is hard, bro. Oh, remember, bro. I'll give you one more statement, there are two reports, bro. Heeh. at Polda Metro. Not one, you know, two. They're split, bro. Oh, split isn't the same, right? Not combined. Split, bro. The punishment could be double. I'm conveying the legal lesson that, for example, let's say Mr. Joko Widodo's report is processed first. It's

44:05 broken, let's say it's broken. This is what we're speculating about. Let's say it's a common break, bro. 2 years. Hm. This trial process is split again, right? Heeh. This can go together again but the decision is different. For example, let's say it's 2 years, let's say it's 3 years. Heh. This is what he'll do first. Heeh. One third then connects to 3 years. So 5 years then. Yes. That's the difference between splitting because different articles have different evidence. It doesn't accumulate, right? It doesn't accumulate. That's why I object, Bro, if they want to be combined, well, we do n't know. H because the soul of Mr. Joko Widod is forgiving, Bro. Heeh. Heeh.

44:51 If the gel is too heavy, for example, if he removes one, we actually object too . It's not that we want to imprison Mr. ee Rurio CS, no. So that it doesn't drag on. The public wants everyone to be detained and arrested. Yes. And that B is because it has caused an extraordinary commotion, right? It's caused a commotion in this republic. Insolent, Bro. Yes, insolent. Insolent Bro. Well, Bro Adi, there's one interesting name, Bro Ad . He. Among the 12 names, there's a former official, Abraham Samar. Yes. Right? He's still confused about why I'm being brought up, Why am I involved? I'll visit. That's how it is. Yes, sir. There's Puting.

45:37 Could you explain, sir, how Abraham Samad's involvement is? He said he was ready to visit Mr. Jokowi. There's video evidence. I saw it earlier too. Yes. If the expert also saw that, then it's included . Hm. The expert saw that it was included. Hm. His incitement, right? He means he told the media that he would fight back and he felt criminalized. So, what does that mean? Criminalization is a human right, silencing, he said. Silencing that should not be carried out by any law enforcement officer.

46:23 Hm. Or state officials should not be allowed. Hm. If it is an act that is not a real act, sir. H in law, what can violate human rights? He is an act or suspected criminal act, sir. Oh, that violates human rights. Wherever you complain. When it can be proven that you have been found guilty by the court , then it violates human rights, sir. Hm. So it's not criminalization. That's why I

47:09 often hear friends on the other side say that this criminalization is one thing, eh, it shouldn't be done because it violates the law. Actually, it's a violation of the law, he said, including Bambang Tri. He said there are already victims of criminalization, namely Bambang Tri. Hmm. I asked this morning, Bro. Who was the verdict for Bambang Tri? By the court or the police? The court, of course. The court. So the court's decision that declared him guilty of a crime, no.

47:55 Law enforcement. Yes, anyone in this country, Bro. Whether it's me, the police, or the president must obey and comply with the court's decision. Huh. So, the question is, was he found guilty or not? Guilty. Guilty. Where's the criminalization? Huh. That means there was a criminal act declared guilty, he would violate human rights. There was no criminalization, that was the verdict. Maybe what Samad meant was deliberately looking for evidence, right? Then charged under the article. As if he wanted to build public support. Huh. That I was criminalized. I was criminalized because I was always critical of Mr. Jokowi's government

48:40 recently. Yes. He forgot. Yes, it's natural for people to forget, right? He once said things that then had a digital trail. Yes. Yes, it can. So I think that Brother Abraham, Brother Abraham, is smart, he was once the chairman of the Corruption Eradication Commission (KPK). Chairman of the KPK. Yes, he knows very well how to uncover a criminal incident, especially in a special criminal special unit, which is categorized as having a very superpower there to carry out, ee, catch or ensnare corruptors who don't have evidence, you know.

49:25 H yes. Well, he understands that very well. He. Especially general crimes. General crimes, which he must know very well, oh this is not allowed, this is allowed, like that. So, ee, we'll see how far Brother Abraham Sam, Brother Abraham's role is here in this case of slander, defamation, and hatred. Well, if you feel like you've lost the evidence, you can't deny it. You can't deny it, right? So, what he meant by threatening to fight is whether he will deny it if he is summoned later as a defendant by investigators, he will fight the

50:11 allegations. proposed by the investigator. Yes. Against the law, not against what. Because like this, because he understands how to fight legally. Right? How to fight legally, understand? And if you can't fight, then just run, let's run away first. Run away first. Hashtag what? Hashtag just run away first. Run away first, right, bro, if you can't fight, that's the hashtag just run away first. That's what happened. But later, for example, if he's summoned because he has no story about being abroad, he still has to come back, right? Ee or through Interpol, he'll be summoned. Ah, that's forced, bro.

50:57 Pai baksa. Usually, if he doesn't come and indeed ee, a DPO is issued first. Oh, DPO first. DPO. Then we first look at the Extradition Law. Hm. Is there an extradition treaty between the country he's currently in and us? If not, Indonesia usually can't get an arrest through Interpol if there's no extradition treaty. What about Australia, bro? I have to open it first. Oh, okay. Is Australia included in the Extradition Law and extradition treaty us? Yes, but considering that Gia is the former chairman of the Corruption Eradication Commission ( KPK), right, Don. This means that his level of ability in uncovering special crimes is great, right

51:55 ? I. Well, when he is considered to have come, he has shown himself to be a good citizen, he is summoned in what legal process he must undergo. Will the investigators at the Regional Police be afraid later? Wow, this is the chairman of the KPK, the former chairman of the KPK who has tactics in trapping. Will the investigators at the Regional Police be like that? Later, we will use evidence of an active Inspector General of the Regional Police being picked up by the Metro Police for drugs, right yesterday, eh, an Inspector General, he is a PM, right? Yes, he was picked up, sir, especially since he is only a former, right? This is active, Bang, there are troops, there are troops, right, Bang, there are pistols, there are weapons, Bang, there is no business being moved when he is in front of investigators, there is no business, no ...

52:50 Intervention is a big mistake. Who intervenes? That 's right. It's not allowed, bro. An investigator is allowed to use force. Even to immobilize, not to kill, to immobilize the target to prevent chaos, for example, if resistance occurs. That's allowed, right? They're piling up. Hm. That's a legal requirement. Probably Abraham Samad because he's a legal professional. Heeh. He understands the law. He. To be tactical and have a strategy for how he can make things easier. There is. What efforts will be made? I shouldn't mention it because others will probably want to too. Oh, I see. If I were the host, I could ask. Yes, I

53:36 can. But if I mention this, it's circulating, bro. Yes, yes, yes. The others are also just looking around. Who wants to get in there? Because not all of them are allowed, bro. No. Because of this, I didn't see the others because the others are n't legal practitioners except Kurniati . And Abraham Samad, do you understand? Ah, there will definitely be two legal professionals, Kurniati and Abraham Samad, right? So, is it possible that Could Abraham Samad's sentence be reduced ? That would definitely be done. That would definitely be done. Wow, that friend would be scary if he took that position, it would mean he would reveal everything he knows about this case, right? Yes. Including who the mastermind is, who financed it, who the operator is.

54:22 Because you've already opened up about JZ, right? Yes, that's a legal effort. Oh, that's part of the legal effort. It's permitted. Hmm. Justice collaborators are permitted. He. Well, if that happens, Bro, this is because it will definitely be watched first . Maybe Rio also wants to be a justice collaborator. That's why I always say in every meeting who exactly is it, Bro, Rismon, we instigated Dr. Ryo or Mr. Nasroi who instigated Rismon, you know. Well, that's there. That will be obvious, Bro. It's exciting, Bro. If everyone takes the position of collaborator, what are the provisions, Bro? I don't have the

55:08 authority to investigate. Oh, that's the investigator's authority. Yes. Investigators can allowing who among them is granted as justice collaborator based on the quality of the evidence. Oh, okay, okay, okay. The quality of the evidence he has, of course. Oh, heeh, heeh. Right. Well, the quality is first seen, whether it's true, whether it's true. Well, if he doesn't interact with them on a daily basis, heeh. Of course he can't take that path. If, for example, one of these 12 names is permitted or granted by investigators to become a justice collaborator, it means that the public has been curious all this time, Bang Adi, who is the mastermind behind all this? Who is the operator?

55:54 Who is financing them? Who orchestrated all this design? Yes, that will be revealed later. As long as investigators are given information about who the evidence is, whether it's strong or not, then it will be granted as a justice collaborator. Yes. The justice collaborator. He can reveal who is behind the scenes. Who is it? Hmm, there is no criminal incident that is group-based that cannot be uncovered. Hmm. Group-based, yes. Yes, yes, yes. It will definitely be rude if it's found out, Bang, especially after the deadline. Wow, it looks like

56:40 Bang, believe me. And it won't be possible to hide anywhere, meaning that those who can't sleep, Brother, aren't just these 12 people. Not just 12. Who's behind this also starting to be unable to sleep. Can't sleep. Especially Heeh. meeting Heeh. Our beloved father, Mr. Prabowo Subianto in Solo last Saturday and Sunday. Last Saturday. Last Sunday. He. Last week he came to Solo to sit with you. There must be someone who has a fever, Bang. Yes, which one is there? There's someone who can't sleep, Bang. This must have been a dead end,

57:28 what are they discussing? Look for him, Bang. Like this, "Have you contacted him? "That A's aide is your former adopted brother." Hm. Or your former protégé. You call him first . What were they talking about inside? Yes. Yes. Give me a tip. Well, that's how it is. This is playing counterintelligence. Oh, that's how they look for it inside the TNI or Polri. Heeh. You're A's bodyguard, right? I asked, "I'll find out who did you lose to, bro?" I'll look for him. Hey, you call him. He said, "You should ask him personally, not this." Well, that's the kind of counterintelligence that always comes out, but of course they're more loyal to their father

58:15 than to anyone else, right? So, that's what netizens have become because of social media, they're also very smart, right? Yes. Hey, they're already better at it, sir. Mr. Prabowo had already been to Mr. Jokowi's house before the congress, but they sat together. Why did it have to be after the congress? need to eat soto together and sit separately between Mr. Jokowi and Mr. Prabowo with the adjutant staff, yes, separated by their tables, meaning there are conversations that should not be listened to, should not be listened to, so if they are smart, it means there are things that are not finished when Mr. Prabowo went to Mr. Jokowi's house, there were speakers who were not finished because it would be uncomfortable to discuss this,

59:01 there was a mother, there was a Vice President, yes, there were also some who were not allowed to stand aside because it could leak, right, that's why the two of them who could see eye to eye, oh well, that's with even though they actually just wanted to say that the crackers were delicious, there were still some that were hot and cold, Bang, there were still some that were hot and cold, Bang, yeah, yeah, yeah, this really understands this republic, they didn't talk about this even though they were just eating, min, Sir, I think I have something a bit spicy . There are already some that are hot and cold, Bang. There are some that are hot and cold, Bang. But I'm very sure, yes. There must be something discussed, there must be something. Because it was more than half an hour, it's not a time to talk about food . Yes. Yes, it means that even if we don't

59:47 talk about this, there will still be something hot and cold. But that's the right of our leader, right. Heeh. Heeh. Mr. Prawo Osbianto and Mas Gibran, one represents Genzet or the younger generation. The representation of a ee Mas Kibran is a representation of a young leader in the future. Hm. The representation of a ee Prabowo Subianto is a representation of a representation of a Heeh. ee true patriot. Heeh. a symbol of loyalty, courage and of course the best teacher for Mas

1:00:34 Gibran, right. He. That then he has to learn a lot from his own father. Coupled with the patriotic experience of someone with full loyalty like Prabowo Supianto will make Mas Gra mature in the future to become a ee leader in this republic. Even though it takes time. H and I think Mas Given is also still this, Bang is still ah is it possible is it possible right. But it goes at that time natural selection. Natural selection who is the teacher, who is developing him. That will be seen, Bang, that ee the suitability of a

1:01:21 future leader and we also it is impossible for a Pak Prabowo to do good, Bang. Hm. He has not reached the top level finished. what He wants to prosper this nation. Even though his PR is long, 5 years, whatever it is, he has reached the top level, he is difficult to carry out his vows for this nation and care about its people, prospering its nation. That's what we must support. The one who speaks should be Bang Roy, Rismon, who should think about all of that. He should n't be dragged into finding fault with the former leader, who is no longer in charge. This is what's

1:02:07 funny, he wants to erode what he wants, why? It means there are those who are hot and cold. There are those who are hot and cold . There are those who are hot and cold. I agree with that, sir. Yes. Yes. Because maybe the numbers are good, right? Moreover, I came here with a yellow-shirted macaque, right, Bang. Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes. It's a bit scary, but it's delicious, right? A bit scary, but we'll see, Bang. Yes. What kind of leader we have. But I think we should look for the best, ee, to become a natural leader of this nation . He means if it is said that perfection belongs only to God, right, in that case, it

1:02:52 's only the first time This also happens among us, there are many former presidents, this is the first time there has been harassment of a former head of state, right? The power of this process that has lasted almost 3 months, what did Bang Adi do earlier as the last reporting witness to be questioned by the Regional Police investigators, I think this is really there, right? Like now, I want to make a closing statement, actually, I have already made a closing statement for this case, right? It's over, enough. We'll wait for the trial. The trial, ee, who is guilty? Heeh. The legal consequences are at most 50 years. Bang, just shout for a week, Bang.

1:03:41 Moreover, Egi has been scaring you, you know, the prison is only 2* du. Well, you know there's a rat hole in the toilet that goes in every day, every night you are visited, he said. But this morning, Bang, I met with the lawyer from the other side at one of the media. They are ready. Oh, but I actually said yes. Thank God, good. Thank God. I said that. Good. I said that's extraordinary. It means you want to follow the legal process. Heeh. Ready for anything, right? That's good, it means they still feel innocent. Yes, that's okay, bro. Let's just wait and see. Thank you. Okay, bro. Ad Dar Darmawan, Secretary General of the United Indonesian Association of Advocates

1:04:27 , audience of the Indonesian Unpacking Consensus Room. We'll see next Friday, okay? Next Friday, right? Only then can investigators determine who the suspects are on the ground or not. Because the final process has been carried out today and the last one next week. Yes. Well, it's a sacred Friday. Hopefully, hopefully, we hope that and the names don't change, that's it. Now, the most interesting thing that Mr. Adi said earlier is that there is a possibility that among the 12 people could be justice collaborators because this is a group crime, right? We can say that this is a

1:05:12 crime. Even though it is defamation , there is an element of intention to discredit, slander, and damage someone's good name. Moreover, that person is a former head of state who is very beloved by his people. So, will the justice collaborator really be granted by investigators, and who is he? Will Abraham Samad or Rosio be justice? Collaborator? For whoever is behind all this, if you've accepted the collaborator's coat, be prepared to be called too. Thank you for your attention. We'll meet in the next consensus room. Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. Thank you, Bang

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