The New Garment Update Exposed a Deep Cultural Rift (ft. Mimi Bascom)

0:00 The reaction to the new Latter-day Saint temple garment design is insane. Ever since the church rolled out these new tank top garments in 2024, women have been going to extreme lengths to get their hands on them. But this moment is revealing so much more than just fashion. It is revealing deep divisions in modesty and our culture and our identity. And this debate has intensified now that it's summertime and people are finally starting to get their hands on these garments. The garment girlies are showing off all their new summer styles with these garments. And the debate has been intense. So to get to the bottom of why this division is happening and what we can do about it, I had a conversation with content creator Mimi Baskam. She is a longtime Latter Day Saint influencer and social media creator who focuses on church cultural commentary and garment friendly fashion.

0:45 She has over 40K subscribers across her socials and has been creating for eight years. So without further ado, Mimi Baskam. I'm honestly honored to be here. I'm so excited. Let's dive in to the topic for today, which is the new garment design. So, in October of 2024, the church announced that they were rolling out a new two new designs for the temple garment. One was an open sleeved design, aka a tank top, and the other was a skirt option, which can be used as a slip. Now, this created a ton of explosion online in social media when the news first came out. Um, but now it's getting renewed discussion because it's summer time and people are starting to get their hands on these design and so we're starting to finally see the roll out within our American culture. So

1:32 my question for you is when you first heard the news October 2024, we're getting a tank top garment and a skirt option. What was your initial reaction? Initial reaction I was so excited. I you know in the press release it talks about how this is especially for people in hot and humid climates. So very much excited for the people who need them, but then also selfishly excited for myself thinking about the new styles that I can wear, you know, when appropriate in the summertime, which is what I would feel comfortable with. Um, but so just excited initially. Yeah, I would agree. I feel like the tank top, my initial reaction was just shock. Like I honestly didn't think the church w I was surprised the church made that announcement like, "Oh wow, we are doing tank tops. That's crazy. I never thought we would have done that." Um,

2:18 but as someone who loves wearing dresses. I wear dresses all the time. I was very excited for the skirt option and I feel like that one has not gotten nearly as much attention, but I get why. Like it the tank top definitely has more ramifications for our culture. So my reaction was shock and but also excitement like huh I could see what I could, you know, wear now. This maybe opens up new options for me. What is one thing you are excited about with this new design? I'm actually very excited for the dress, the slip option as well. I think especially in pregnancy, I'm recently I mean not super recently postpartum, but I feel like that's a game changer just when you're like so hot and you don't want any extra layers like just to be able to put on a simple like casual sundress and then that underneath I feel like is going to be so incredible and

3:06 not have to worry about bottoms like especially when you're pregnant and huge. So, I feel like that will be great. And then also just like other styles of clothing. I think I'm excited to see we just have so many more options now. Yeah, it opens up a huge array of of clothing styles that we wouldn't have before. But I think you hit on something really important with pregnancy and you also mentioned postpartum. I feel like this is a game changer for postpartum and even just like menstrual cycles in general, which can be messy. And I think the skirt option provides a a little bit more protection for wanting to wear your garments and still keep your covenants while staying clean. TMI. Maybe we'll cut that. I don't know. No, I think it's great. People need to hear it. Honestly, I don't know if we're going to talk about it, too, but people I've gotten so many comments that are

3:51 like, "Can you wear underwear under the slip garment?" I don't know if you wanted to get into that, but yes. Do you have an opinion on like Yeah. wearing underwear under the slip garment? Yeah, I think I mean we've seen I believe it's in the handbook that we can wear under um we can wear other under undergarments under our garments. I know it wasn't always taught that way to older generations in the temple, but I believe I'm like 99% sure in the handbook now it says you can wear other undergarments. Um so yes, you can definitely wear other underwear with your slip with the slip garment. I got so many people asking questions about that like can you wear other underwear with it or are you just going to go commando? No, you can wear underwear as far as I understand. So I feel like that's yeah a really great option for

4:38 like pregnancy and postpartum like we talked about. So, one of the things that um I think is really interesting about this is while the slip option doesn't really change our hemlines because they still go down to the knee, the tank top clearly is just a shoulder strap and so it does open up the option for women to not wear sleeves on their shirts. Um, how do you think this is going to impact our modesty norms in general? I mean I like you mentioned growing up it was a long childhood of wearing shirts like short sleeve shirts under tank top shirts and um having to learn how to adjust like prom dresses to cover your shoulders and like there was a lot of fixation around shoulders. So how do you feel like this is going to impact the whole discussion around modesty? I think

5:24 it's really interesting to see um some older generations now are not too maybe not not happy but are hesitant um with the new sleeveless options. And so I feel like there's going to be a transition period. But I would say by the time our kids or our kids' kids are at that age, I think the new modesty standard is just going to be the tank top because I mean before you look at the pioneers and it was all like long sleeves down to your elbows or not elbows down to your wrists and down to your ankles. That's clearly not our modesty standard currently. So I think maybe give it a few generations, but I think that'll just be the new standard is a tank top. Yeah, you're probably right. And I mean, you mentioned the pioneers, and I feel like that's a really helpful part of our

6:11 history to look back on in this transition because there's a lot of division and a lot of like intense feelings about changing the garment design when like think back to the 1920s. That's when we went from wrist to ankle to like up to your neck to transitioning to a short sleeve and down to your knee design. and the 1920s, like imagine being a Latter-day Saint trying to live a normal life in American society in the 1920s and having to have your clothes like your, you know, your wrists and your ankles and all of that. Like there that was a more drastic change I feel like for Latter-day Saints to grapple with. And I can only imagine that there were a lot of mixed emotions with that as well. So, I feel like when we're thinking about, oh, wow, two inches of fabric is like such a huge

6:56 deal, it's also helpful to reflect back on this isn't the first time we've dealt with this, and so maybe we can learn lessons from um from history on how we can approach change in our church in this way. Um, but I'd love your opinion breaking down like what has the response been on social media from your perspective as you've been interacting online? What has been the social media response? What are some of these groups? So, I would say the first group that's the biggest that I've seen, at least as an LDS creator, is Latter- Day Saints who are very excited about this. A lot of them are younger and may they're not not even all of them are younger, but I would say most of them are younger um and are just excited about this new change and the new options for um for

7:43 fashion and for clothes and for heat especially. Um, another group I would say that we've talked a little bit about is the older generation that has mixed feelings about this. Um, maybe they have just been taught, you know, like all of us that have been born and raised in the church that shoulders are immodest and so they're having a hard time wrapping their head around that and if they even want to choose to show their shoulders even if they get the new garment styles. Um, so that's another group. And then I would say the third group that I've seen is people who are not fond of the church and are saying, "Oh, what? So God just changed his mind about shoulders and are really critical of this decision." Um especially when we believe that God is

8:30 the same yesterday, today, and forever. They're saying, "So what happened with this?" Um so those are the three main groups that I've seen online. Do you have any others that you've seen too? I think that the only other group I might add is those that are upset that the garment is not available in Utah right now. And that was more of a thing in like when they first announced it. I was shocked at how that was the reaction. I thought there was going to be a lot more like excitement about the change itself. But I remember being flooded in my comments with questions about like, well, it's really hot in Utah here, too, or it's really hot in Texas where I live. It's really, really hot in Florida. Why are they only available in these hot and humid climate countries and not where I live because it's hot here too? And and I can understand that. I think the reality is it's mostly like

9:16 a logistical problem. I think the roll out was just like there were logistic constraints that they wanted to prioritize other areas of the world that needed it more. But I remember that like surprising me that that was a a conversation topic. Me too. And I think, and this isn't to shame anyone because it is what it is, but I think it's just remembering that we are a worldwide church. And I think a lot of the times when we live in Utah, we just think that the church and the world revolves around us. And so not getting something first was a little bit strange. Um, but I think it was kind of a good wakeup call. And hopefully people who were initially upset and wishing that they were getting the garments first has have now have time to reflect

10:02 that there are people who actually need them more than us. And I think it's interesting because I've even heard people say like, "Oh, well in some Asian countries like they actually don't need them. Like it's not even as hot there as it is in Utah." And then thinking about the logistical parts of it too. It's not like they're going to roll the garments out to Texas and Florida and Arizona and that's all. and then only in the Asian regions that need them. Like it's that doesn't make sense. So like they are going to prioritize Africa and Asia and the people that need them. Culturally they fit better with their cultural dress that they wear in some of those countries. And so I think it's just hopefully we can all use this as a wakeup call of like, oh, this is a worldwide church. It's not all about us and it's okay. And this is an opportunity for us to develop that charity and love for members who are

10:49 outside of the US. the roll out of these garments, especially now that it's summertime, we're starting to see them percolate, mostly with some of these online content creators who have gotten their hands on the garment, even though they haven't been officially rolled out in the United States. The the level of like excitement and like buzz about these garments has reached the level where the New York Times wrote an article specifically about the Latter-day Saint reaction to these new temple garments. They said that the sacred undergarment that has Mormon women buzzing and it was just an article talking about different creators and how they were showing off the garment. Some of them actually showing the fabric of the garment themselves on screen, others having it covered by clothing, but still

11:35 talking about different styles and how it works and the sizing options and how the strap width varies as you go up sizes and stuff like that and just like just observing this phenomenon. So, what did you think of that article? Did you read it? I was literally shocked that they deemed that worthy of a New York Times article. Like that's insane. Yeah. I remember like the New York Times covered garments a few years ago too talking about women who were very frustrated with the garment designs and like the church should change this, the church should change that. Um and so now that there have been adjustments, I guess it kind of makes sense that they'd follow up on it. But I thought it was really interesting. I know I've heard some people reaction being embarrassed about this coverage like man this is like sacred these are sacred vestments

12:22 and now we've just created so much attention around it that it's now just like a spectacle for mainstream media to just kind of like observe us talk about our underwear and like that's a little uncomfortable other people um I know my my personal take on it has been a little bit more optimistic that like wow this is actually cool that for once the New York Times isn't like dunking on the church like they're act they're not talking to like ex- Mormons or critics but they actually were talking mostly to active Latter Day Saint creators talking about their experience and yeah the coverage isn't entirely flattering because it never is that's just like the nature of mainstream journalism but um but I'm like huh there's actually like a lot of potential here because I don't think we've ever been at a point in the Latterday Saint creator community where there were enough like faithful active

13:09 practicing Latterday Saint creators to like draw the attention of the New York Times Like we've been such a small community for so long that whenever we were in the news, it was because of some problematic or like negative coverage, but the fact that like positiveish coverage is making it into the New York Times, I thought that was like an interesting mark of how far we've come as a community and maybe the potential we have to share the gospel in other venues. Uh did you have any other ideas? No, I think that's a huge win. I totally agree with you. So, so one of the things I do want to ask you is I I've seen this question come up a few times. People have now that the tank top garment is an option, but most people still have like the capsule version of the garment. What do you think is the answer to people who

13:56 are wondering like, can I modify my existing garments to be tank tops now that that's like an option? What is your response to that? Um, personally, it's not something that I would do or feel comfortable with just with the guidance that we are not supposed to modify our garments. However, I see the logic like I see the thought process of, okay, we were told not to modify them, but we never had a tank top option before. Um, but for me personally, especially knowing that we're going to be getting the garments by the end of this year. I know we have to go through another summer without them. Um, but I that's just my personal opinion. However, I have seen people like who are pregnant

14:42 or are like getting married and really want a wedding dress with that design. I'm like, that's a big big deal. Like your wedding dress, I mean, at least I consider it a big deal. So, I'm like, I see the logic. I see the thought process, but it's not something I personally would feel comfortable doing. Yeah, I can definitely see that. And I I do. This was actually like a debate I had with my sisters. We were chatting about it a while ago and we all had very like different opinions about like is that okay or is that not okay? Because like you said, there's two perspectives there. On the one hand, you've got people who are saying, well, now it is an option. So, if it's just a matter of a few months, is it really that big of a deal to just modify it to conform to what is an accepted style of the garment? Um, it's not like the church came out and said, "Okay, this is the

15:27 new official style across the board." It's here's an option that you can use optionally, but there's all these other options, too. But we know like eventually it's probably going to like percolate to becoming the norm more quickly. Um, but on the other hand, like you said, there is explicit instruction in the handbook to not modify the garment. And you could interpret that to mean like you don't want to change the style of the garment to fit fashion or you shouldn't change the modesty of the garment. But at least the way I've always read it, there's an argument to be made that is also talking about just like the sacredness of it. Like we are not allowed to create our own garments. We're not allowed to consecrate our own garments. We're not allowed to put the marks in the garments. Those are all things that the church handles because it is a sacred vestment. And so when

16:14 they say don't modify it, I see it more of like a point of authority and the sacredness of the fabric and the the vestment itself more than just exactly what the hem lines are and what the shoulder lines are. And so I don't feel personally comfortable modifying my garment because I consider that sacred clothing that can only be like modified by authorized by people authorized in in those positions to do that. But like you said, I can see the logic and it is a little bit of a gray area. Yeah, I was going to say even when I'm like disposing of garments cuz you're supposed to cut them. Like I hate even doing that. Like I actually could not imagine cutting the garment and then wearing I don't know. But that's just me. But I totally agree with like that we do believe that they are sacred. I feel like it's hard because sometimes

17:00 we're like, "Oh, they're they're our underwear, you know, but there's so much more than that. so much probably goes into making the garment. Um, and they are so sacred. It's not just clothes. And so I feel like that is a huge huge point of another reason I wouldn't feel comfortable modifying them in that way. That's that's a great answer. So going back a little bit to the different like factions that might be arising right now because of all of this news. You've got people who are so excited to wear the garment. You've got people who have are unsure about the garment because they have been wearing shoulder coverage for so long they're unwilling to budge or they're unsure about budging. There may be a people who are excited to wear the garment but are maybe feeling judged about doing so because our norms haven't really shifted yet. Um and there's

17:46 people who are upset that they're not available in Utah or in the United States right now. So going with all of these factions, why do you think there's so much division about this? I think for a long time in the church, we didn't really know how to teach modesty. And I think for so long, modesty has been tied with garments, which could be a whole other conversation of are garments supposed to be enforcers of modesty. Um, but I think just for so long, it's been instilled in us that we don't show our shoulders, that's immodest. And so now having the church put out something that's completely different. It just has people divided. Um, personally, I never had a problem with shoulders. Like if that's

18:33 just how we were raised and grew up in the church of like shoulders are okay, I wouldn't have thought twice about it because for me it's not it's not like it's cleavage. Like I don't know. I always just thought like okay that's kind of weird that and it's not just the church. It's also like in professional settings, you're it's not appropriate to show your shoulders. And so I always just thought that was weird cuz I'm like, it's not like your shoulders are super scandalous or anything. So for me, I'm like, okay, I feel like that makes sense why the church is doing it. Um, but I know that there are people who have different perspectives on that. And so I think that's to answer your question, I think that's why is just because it's been instilled in us for so long that we don't show our shoulders. um the church put out new standards of what's appropriate based on the worldwide church and our where the world is at today. So I think that's just

19:20 that's why you mentioned that modesty has been so closely tied to the garment. What is the relationship between modesty and the garment? I feel like there's been shifting conversations around this topic. I think for a long time it was people viewed it that way of that garments enforce our modesty especially you look at like BYU standards of dress in the honor code it's basically garments right so I think and the for the strength of youth pamphlet until the new roll out totally yes and so there's been no one has said like you're supposed to wear garments to keep you modest but I think with the first strength of youth and the honor code at the BYU CS schools It's like, okay, they're pretty tied

20:07 together. And so, I think that now this gives us an opportunity now that we're having more of these conversations is to talk more about modesty is so much more than clothes. Um, and also with the new garment styles, I think it is a personal decision of what you feel is modest to you and what you're comfortable doing. Um, I think something that I definitely want to do when I get the new garments and I would encourage others to do is like pray and say like, okay, just because this is what I can be showing, what do I feel good about showing? What do I consider modest and have that conversation with God? And I think like the four strength of youth pamphlet has changed so much more is within our

20:53 agency and within our relationship with heavenly father. And so I think it's really just just doing that and not worrying so much about what other people are doing and not worrying about what the church is saying. Like it's just because the church is saying you can doesn't mean that you have to. And so sorry that was a long rambly answer. I don't know if that made sense, but I think it really is just taking it to God and seeing what is modest to you. Yeah, I think that you're you're right about that. It's it's got to be a very personal and very prayerful decision to to navigate what your relationship is with coverage. One thing that I'm curious about is I feel like there has been a shift like you mentioned, especially with earlier generations, the

21:38 garment was very closely tied to modesty. And this the idea was that modesty equaled coverage. That the more you covered your body, like that's what modesty was. And I've seen a big shift towards well modesty is about more than just the clothes you wear. It's about your attitude. It's about the way you behave. It's not drawing undue attention to yourself. It's a lot more about attitude than it is about coverage. And in some ways, maybe we've even uh swung some people have like swung to another extreme where modesty has nothing to do with clothing. And so, I wonder like where do you fall on that spectrum between modesty is all coverage versus modesty has nothing to do with coverage? I think modesty still has to do with coverage just because in my personal

22:24 opinion of what modesty is it's like you said it's not bringing undue attention to yourself and if you are dressing in a way that is very revealing that often has that effect um and so I think for me modesty is all about intention um it's about wearing things for the right purpose and wearing things not to get attention from others. And in my opinion, you could be immodest even while wearing garments, even while wearing the short sleeve garments. Um, to use an example from my own life, please don't judge me, but you can I I remember once after I had my baby, I was trying on different clothes.

23:10 I was finally in the point where I could like wear my old clothes again, and I was so excited. And I remember trying on this dress and I was like, "Wow, I look good in this." I had like was not used to seeing myself 9 months pregnant and in my old clothes again. So I'm like, "Oh my gosh, I should wear this." And it totally looks like I bounced back and then I stopped myself and I'm like, "Wait, that is not a good intention for wearing this." Like, if I want to wear this dress because I feel good in it and I like it, that's fine. But I shouldn't be wearing this dress with the intention of having people look at me and be like, "Wow, she bounced back after having her baby." So, I think that modesty is an attitude and it's about the intention of why you're wearing things. I feel like sometimes the garment also gets pulled into like is the garment

23:57 about modesty or is the garment about a symbol of Jesus Christ? And so if if you were to then like where do you fall in that spectrum? The garment's about modesty versus the garment is a symbol of Jesus Christ. Is it an eitheror? Where do you fall on that? I think it can be a both but the number one priority and purpose of the garment is to act as a symbol of Jesus Christ. Um that is why we wear garments. That is the whole purpose. So I think two things can be true at the same time. It can be about modesty um or coverage but I think modesty is more of a personal decision as long as you act within the garments. But the number one purpose of the

24:44 garment is to symbolize Jesus Christ. I I agree with you. I think it can be both. It doesn't have to be either or. And sometimes I worry when people separate it too much only because they're missing a really beautiful symbol of the garment because the number one thing is that it's a symbol of Jesus Christ. But in what way is it a symbol? Well, in the temple, we're taught that the garment represents a covering that was placed on Adam and Eve that represents the atonement of Jesus Christ. this idea that, you know, they had to sacrifice an animal in order to get skins to cover them. It was Christ who was covering the nakedness of Adam and Eve. And so the garment is a symbol of Christ. But it's a symbol because it is a covering. And so I do feel like the coverage aspect of it is intricately

25:30 tied to its symbolic richness and beauty. But at the same time, coverage is highly subjective and highly culturally uh contextual. I mean, there's a reason that in the 19th century, being covered look different than it does today. Something that goes down to your wrist and ankles makes a lot more sense in a 19th century context than it would today where coverage is different. I mean, you mentioned how like even a in a professional setting, shoulders aren't usually very appropriate to show, and you weren't exactly sure why that was because there's nothing particularly scandalous about shoulders objectively, but like in the 19th century, there were things objectively scandalous about ankles, whereas today we wouldn't even bat an eye about that. So, I think, you know, there's just so much cultural baggage that comes with our conception of what

26:16 is modest and what coverage means. And so I think I I'd like to think that some aspect of coverage is always going to be part of the garment symbolism, but it also is most importantly about Jesus Christ. Oh, I agree. That needs to be a a clip. That was a real That was so good, Jasmine. So well said. So what do you think is going to be the biggest challenge for us as a people adapting to this new garment change? I think a challenge is going to be that it's going to be a lot harder to garment check people, which is going to be a very good challenge. I think with the tank top garments, it's obviously not going to be as clear. It's very clear right now if you look at someone whether or not they're wearing their garments.

27:01 But with the new style and especially like with the width being different on different sizes of garments, it's going to be nearly impossible to know if someone is wearing their garments or not, which is such a good change because we did not need to be doing that. That was so unnecessary. And like I said earlier, it's a human nature thing. It's a snap. Like, oh, I see their shoulders. They're not wearing garments. Um and so but I do think that some members have taken that too far um and will turn that into judgment or gossip. And so I think it's going to be very a positive challenge um that we won't be able to do that as easily. So I want to follow up on that because I think you're right that within a church context we cannot be judging other

27:49 people within our community for whether or not they're wearing the garment. But I did have someone ask the question or bring up the concern or just like the concept that they actually like when they're outside a highly LDS community, there is something really like relatable and belonging about being able to identify another member in the crowd, if that makes sense. Because they're dressed differently or because like they're wearing a BYU hat and you go Cougs when you're at Disney World or whatever. like there's a a sense of solidarity with your covenant community because you're like they're a peculiar people. They're sticking out a little bit from like fashion norms because it's the middle of the hot summer day in the ring Bermuda shorts and a short sleeve shirt that covers their shoulders. And like I've had people say that like that

28:35 always gave them a lot of solidarity and like community feeling and it was great to connect with someone from a completely different part of the country or world sometimes and know that you had something beautiful in common and you could share that with each other and introduce yourself and be like, "Oh, we're part of the same community. How cool is that?" And now that aspect is going to probably go away somewhat as well. Do you have any thoughts on that? I do actually. We still have Bermuda shorts, so no need to fear. When I was in Hawaii, actually, we were on this tour and I saw this beautiful blonde woman, a million, like probably six children, all girls, and Bermuda shorts. And we needed someone to take a picture for us. I'm like, I'm going to ask her because I know she's a member. I know she's probably from Utah and she was.

29:23 Um, so all jokes aside, I think that really is such an exciting thing when we're out in the wild, especially outside of Utah, and we see someone that looks like they're a member. Um, which we need to be careful with that because the members members don't have a specific look, but I do see your point. Um, they're still BYU merch, so that's always a safe one. Um, I think we will be missing that aspect. um which is a little sad but I know this isn't a oneto-one like comparison or answer to this but I would encourage if someone is feeling upset about that is letting our attitude and our countenance being what helps us stand out as members of the church that's not to say that there

30:08 aren't still wonderful people who are not members of our faith who have you know are such good people and do great things um but if someone is concerned about that. Try to let your service and the fruit of your labors be what helps you stand out as a member of the church and maybe other people can recognize it in that way. That is profound. I love that. Um, what is something you would say? What would you say to someone who is struggling with this change right now? They maybe feel betrayed because they defended and honored this shoulder standard for years and now it feels like the church is discarding that sacrifice they made. What would you say to that person? That is so valid. Honestly, um I would

30:56 just take it to God and maybe study, you know, other talks from President Nelson and just really work on developing that testimony that we live or our church is a living church um that's led by Jesus Christ. And I know it's so easy to feel like betrayed by that or like, oh, so I could have been wearing tank tops all this time. Um, but just trying to instead of getting resentful against that, trying to look for the positives and like what other good changes have come from having a living profit in your lifetime as well because it's hard. Like I totally get why that would be a concern for people, but I'm also so grateful for all of the other changes and benefits we've received as a church by having a living prophet today, too.

31:43 That is really, really good. I feel like it can be easy. I I for one struggled with like changes to the endowment ceremony. That's one thing that like I've had to wrestle with a little bit more and it can be easy to think like, oh, but that's like the true way. Why would God change it if this is like the the true temple endowment? But the reality is like God has always changed. I can only imagine how hard it would have been for Jews in the first century AD to be living all of these commandments, to doing all of this animal sacrifice, and then for Jesus to come and say, "Just kidding. We're not doing that anymore. or we're now going to do the sacrament. You're now going to offer a broken heart and a contrite spirit. And what a radical change that would have been and how it could have felt that they didn't appreciate or God doesn't appreciate all the things I did my entire life and now you're just

32:29 saying we have to do it a different way now. But the reality is that God still like the the sacrifice is still valid and God values that. He honors that and that is part of shaping us to become disciples. Sometimes God asks us to be disciples by sacrificing an animal. And sometimes God asks us to be disciples by asking us to give that up even though it's hard for us. And I think all of this is something that can be a refining fire to help us just become a little bit more Christlike. Like cast off evaluate our assumptions about what we think is doctrine. Cast off what maybe isn't and recommmit ourselves to pure doctrine and the true gospel of Jesus Christ. So it's a learning experience for us all. Oh my gosh. So beautifully said and you're so right. It's not like we're changing we're not sacrificing animals

33:14 anymore. Like that is that's crazy. I never thought of that comparison. Do you have any final thoughts on how as a Latter Day Saint community we can process this change? I think just be so focused on you. Um, I think all of the different feelings that we've talked about in this video have been so valid. Like, and I could totally see how people would interpret and take things differently than I've taken them personally. And so, I think just remembering that it's a personal journey. Some people are going to struggle with it. Some people are going to be more excited than you are and travel to different countries to get the new garments. I think it's just looking inward and taking it to God and

34:02 trying not to look at what other people are doing around you. Um because at the end of the day, we all have our own unique life experiences and perspectives on things. You never know what your neighbor has gone through. Um and so just be in your own lane. That would be my advice. I need to do that too. I I that advice is for me as well. Oh, for sure. Um, what do you love about wearing the temple garment? I love the daily reminder of Jesus Christ. Every day it's something that I'm intentionally putting on. Um, you know, some days it's more like, okay, I've just got to hurry and get dressed. But the days that I really like think about what I'm doing

34:48 and think about how incredible it is, this is the only thing that I can take from the temple home and have on with me every single day is this symbol of Jesus Christ and his love and his sacrifice for me. I am honored to be able to wear the temple garment every day. Well, Mimi, you've been a delight to talk to. Thank you for being willing to have this difficult conversation. I feel like it's the conversation that people aren't really having on social media about how to really grapple with this. Um, so where can people find you if they want to follow you? Oh, well, I'm on Instagram and Tik Tok at Mimi. Baskam. Perfect. And viewers, let me know in the comments what you think of the new tank top and skirt Temple Design. And if

35:36 you'd like more information about this new change and the church's statement on it, there will be links in the description below. So, thanks and we'll see you next time.