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0:00 on breaking points and we don't tend to cover this that much. I don't watch shows that I think are you know mostly aligned at least in some level and I don't pay too much attention to Sager to be honest with you. Um, and Crystal does, I think, a fine job of uh arguing, but I just this just happened to uh come across my uh Twitter feed and I was sort of shocked because I mean the right in justifying this stuff is really really running out of space. Like I understand why you could see full-on white nationalists justifying this and we'll play some clips from some white nationalists uh in in in a few minutes. But
0:46 this project, what we're watching, saw a Minnesota lawmaker the other day say like, you know, DHS told her they want to uh uh deport a million people in this country. And and of course, you know, the 20 million undocumented immigrants is an exaggeration. 100 I'm sorry, 100 million people. 100 million people is onethird of the population here. You you're you are on a fistic fascism as you know defined one definition is a uber nationalism that is uh about purification of some form and that's what's going on here right and of course you know you're not going
1:31 to get too picky in your purification you just want to get rid of foreigners you want to get rid of non-white people. You may scoop up some white people, too. >> There's some paperwork that points them to him. >> And if you're a fascist, I can understand how you would have no problem with this. But the problem is that they're also for other conservatives who want to maintain that they're not fascists, but are still sort of subscribed to, you know, I mean, I remember when Andrew Sullivan was like, you know, this isn't really conservatism uh during the Bush administration. And I'm like, you might as well be speaking Latin, dude, and complain like you the the conservatism that you're talking about is long dead. And any like sort of like right-winger
2:18 who does not subscribe to this fascism is orphaned. I can tell you that right now. But they don't want to be. And so they're desperate to grasp on to some type of justification for this. But this is insane to me. So, they're talking about the the clip we just played of this uh Irishman uh calling into a Irish radio station talking about how they're basically in a concentration camp. And then later, uh Sager is uh attempting to justify this in some way. And maybe he's not trying to justify, but this is where his mind goes, which okay. Uh but listen to this. I I I just maybe this is my own psychop
3:06 psychop pathology on this issue. It's maddening to me that you have ch for example they're like children should be in school. You get I get to move to any country in the world with my child and I have to demand that that nation actually pay for their public school education and allow me in. No. Imagine if I showed up any other country in the world with my daughter and I said, "If you kick me out, you're denying my child an education because I just show up there illegally and decide." So, that's Okay, I'm just going to say it. You do not just get to move here, but enroll your children in public school and then claim that as a good because we are paying for your child's education while you move here. You don't speak a word of English and God knows what you're actually doing in terms of society. That's all right. I know it
3:52 sounds callous. It's true. It no other country in the world functions that way. And when you put it that way, it's real different, isn't it? Is that mass vast amounts of illegals come here with their children and then decide that us as taxpayers have to pay for their healthcare and for their uh education. Sorry, I I I'm not okay with that. Period. I will never set that precedent. Period. End of story. You have to have a system which enables it so that that does not happen. >> Okay. Now, uh, Crystal goes on to, um, take issue with like, why are you even raising this in this segment, which we're talking about this guy in a concentration camp, which of course that's the obvious, uh, thing, uh, to react to. And also, she re raises the fact that like we don't have to speculate about this.
4:38 Undocumented immigrants are a net positive in terms of dollars. But he is he is trying to say it is completely unfair and it is what was it? What did he say exactly? Like the idea that there's any country in the world that would do this. None of them would do this. None of no other country in the world would DO IT. THAT'S HOW CRAZY IT IS that we allow undocumented immigrants, children to have a right to a free education. It is so crazy. There isn't a single other country in the world that would do this unless I go to something called the internet and GOOGLE
5:23 AND TO ASK THAT QUESTION. IS THERE ANOTHER single country? And just off the top, France does it, but of course they're French. >> And then I actually know a non-French citizen, an American who got free healthcare in France having food poisoning there. Well, let's stay on top. We can move to healthcare as well, but France does it, but they speak French. You know how the French are. If you are an undocumented immigrant in uh France, your kid gets educated like K through 8 or K through 12. And then there's one other uh country, England. England does that if you're an undocumented immigrant. And then there's um Germany. Germany also does that. JUST
6:09 those three except for also Belgium, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, and most EU countries explicitly or implicitly include all children. All children all children residing there in compulsion in compulsory education rights uh regardless of status. much of Canada, not all of Canada, but large swats of it, Thailand also, and Jordan. Jordan. And you know what? Um, uh, Mexico. Mexico provides free public education to all children regardless of their
6:54 immigration or documentation status. Like, let's just hear how sure. I mean, because this is the the thing that I find fascinating about it because it's like I can't address the actual reality of what's going on here in terms of like this guy going to an immigration to a concentration camp. I can't address the uh separation and the brutalizing of these people. But let me justify it because what we as a country are doing is so outside of the norm that we have to respond in some way. But what if his adamant that he recognizes >> sarcasm just my pathology >> may sound like a pathology. >> Yeah, >> I BELIEVE THIS SO STRONGLY that it may sound like a pathology to you but no
7:41 other country in the world does this except for Belgium, Italy, Netherlands, France, England, Germany, Spain, most EU countries, uh Jordan, Thailand, just I didn't Google other places, Mexico. Let's just listen again to how absolutely sure he is. And he he realizes on some level I think like his his subconscious is telling him this is a pathology. >> You should Google this before you actually make this statement. >> You're showing your pathology in 4K. >> Is that mass vast amounts of illegals come here with their children and then decide that us as taxpayers have to pay for their healthcare and for their uh education. Sorry, I I I'm not okay with
8:26 that. Period. I will never set that precedent. And it's one of those period. End of story. You have to have a system which enables it so that that does not happen anymore. And that's fundamentally the biggest disagreement between you and I. He had said it earlier about the world over and over and over again. >> Um >> and again, we we don't have to speculate about this. the KO Institute where he he probably has worked at the Ko Institute. A guy like that. >> Yeah, I think he was Manhattan. >> Ko Institute. Just I mean look, we know that in terms of tax dollars paid in and tax dollars expended upon, undocumented immigrants are a net
9:13 positive. And if you really have an issue with this like >> give them a very easy path in citizenship. >> Yeah. >> And if they don't want it, then you then you can be justified in saying like, well then, okay, you had the option. >> You want to be a part of this project, be a part of this project. Sucker had to have Glenn Greenwald come on because I it doesn't we won't take this from anybody else apparently even though Crystal Ball says some of the same things but last year he had to have uh Greenwald on because he said something about the hairdresser that was deported to El Salvador and basically said like what do I care about one hairdresser and that the the situation is so dire that we can't do due process anymore. So I had to get Glenn Greenwald to come in and hold his hand. And he did the exact same thing about, "Okay, fine.
10:00 But I'm so frustrated with how much immigrants are burdening me. Go yourself." Carly Cher says, "Cuba and Venezuela probably offer free education to children." I would imagine. >> I just think after the first 12 or 14 countries, >> right, >> I stopped googling. But I mean I just I just don't understand how someone could be so assured of this so adamant that when you are faced with a something like again if if we got a phone call from an American citizen in China being held in a goolog because they had a civil infraction 12
10:46 years ago but had been you know legal up to that point. We would be like this is an perfect example of like the oppressive regime there. If your response to that happening in this country is I am so agrieved by this dynamic, this singular dynamic, undocumented immigrants, kids getting free education. If that is so compelling to you, how do you not even do the most basic search on your premise that no other country in the world would do this? The vast majority of countries who are not nearly as wealthy as us do it. They all do it.
11:35 He was a Hudson Institute. Also, there's a a debate exchange in 1980 between HW Bush and Ronald Reagan on exactly this thing. And HW Bush is like, "Yeah, I don't want a whole bunch of uneducated six and 8 year olds in our communities." >> Of course. >> Yeah. >> Of course. I mean, even from the most sort of anti-immigrant perspective, educate these kids so that if you send them back to wherever they came from, they will have a future there and won't have to come back and taint your beautiful purity of your country. >> Yeah. And Sager's parents are immigrants. It's disgusting. >> Hey folks, don't forget to hit the subscribe button and check out our daily show. We do it every day at 12:00 p.m. Eastern for about 2 and 1/2 hours. We
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