EXCLUSIVA!!ENTREVISTA AL PSICOLOGO QUE DESCUBRIÓ LA MAYOR PARASITACION A NIVEL MUNDIAL

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1:57 so to start off with um you know after I got out of graduate school I I found a job at the biggest mental hospital on the planet it would it was the size of a small City uh there were 10,000 patients there when I got there and nothing in my education prepared me for what I was going to experience there once I got there um it it was very different from what I what they taught me in school very very different one I was working at a psychiatric Rehabilitation Center so what we were trying to do was to get these people uh functional and the way

2:44 we we the only thing we had back then was medicines they the nothing else they had they didn't have anything else it was just drugs okay talking to schizophrenics coun in with them was like talking to a rock it it just it didn't phase them at all there wasn't hardly any change so they they were completely reliant on medications and what I noticed is that almost all the patients eventually stopped taking those medications which made no sense to me because the medications were the only things that would keep them sane or anywhere near sane so that was

3:30 puzzling uh and one day I was doing rounds on the first floor of the psychiatric unit and and the maintenance man was cutting off one end of a banister that went up to the second floor so it was like a hollow pipe that they was like a banister and it went up the first floor and all the way to the second floor the cap at the top of the stairway on the second floor was missing so you could throw stuff down in the banister now I never thought about that I didn't notice that that cap was missing and one day on the first floor I was walking by and a maintenance man had a grinder and he was cutting the cap the

4:15 metal cap off of the uh banister on the first floor so that was the most exciting thing happening at the time so I stopped and W with a bunch of patients we're all watching him cut that banister that in half and Sparks were flying all over the place and there was smoke and uh it was the most exciting thing happening at the moment so we all stopped and watched the Sparks and the banister when that cap fell off thousands of pills fell out of that banister they had been throwing pills in that banister for decades and most of them were anti psychotic pills so it was like why were they throwing their medic away when the medicine was the only

5:01 thing that kept them s you know that was a big puzzle to me thousands of them it was like a waterfall of pills coming out of that banister and they went all over the floor and I noticed that most of them were an psychotic drugs for schizophrenics first question in my mind was why are they throwing away their medicines why are they choosing to stay crazy so as time went on I had a case load and I usually had schizophrenic on that case load and they were among the brightest of the patients they had the most potential but the voices would keep tripping them up you know if they listen to the voices they would get into trouble and almost all of them at one time or another went off their

5:47 medications and again that same question came up why are they choosing to go insane why are they throwing away their pills so they had to put them on watch swallow so they would give them their medicine and then they would watch as they took them to make sure they swallowed them otherwise a lot of times they'd go and they'd spit them out into a trash can when the when the attendant wasn't looking so that was one big question on my mind why is this happening so I I did a little experiment you know if they threw if they went off to their medications three times at this rehab Center and they went crazy we would discharge them because if they

6:33 wouldn't take their medications while they were being handed to them by the nurse they certainly weren't going to take them when they were on out on their own when they had to go drive to a mental health center or see a doctor or go through some kind of trouble to get those medications if they wouldn't take them while they're being handed to them they're certainly not going to take them on the outside when nobody's forcing them to so we would discharge them and just keep the ones that would stay on their medications so that was a puzzle for for a long time so what I did is every time one of these patients would go off their medications I would ask them why did you why did you stop taking your medications you knew you were going to get crazy if

7:18 you stopped your medications of course they said well we don't like the side effects the side effects are awful which is true the side effects are just awful right but the effect of being crazy is much worse you know they have nightmares they seeing monsters they're they're hearing voices telling them they were going to kill them uh they're they're telling the voices are telling them that other people are going to kill them uh they won't let them sleep at night they're calling them names it's an absolute hell it's like hell on Earth with these voices they're they were like demonic voices speaking to these people so what I did is did a a little experiment every single time one of them

8:04 would go off their medications on my case load I would bring them in and I'd say why' you go off your medicines of course they'd say well because of the side effects the side effects are awful so I went to the dsm3 the psychiatrist Bible and I I uh I wrote down all the all the effects of being psychotic you know all the all the bad things that they had written there about being psychotic hearing voices paranoia uh you know uh being being called names being lied to by the voices I mean it's just absolute hell and then I would I would give them a a one to 10 or a i' say write down all the side effects of the

8:52 medications you were on because they they weren't didn't all have the same side effects okay so they would would write down a handful of side effects and then I'd give him the list of all the things rotten about being psychotic about being crazy and there was like two pages of them and I'd say check all the one all of these symptoms that you had while you were you were crazy while you were off your meds and going crazy and they would check them a whole bunch of them up and then I'd hand both papers back to him and I'd say which one is worst the side effects of the meds or being insane which one is worse all of them would say being insane and then I'd ask them why did you

9:39 stop taking your medic your medicines then and their answer for three years I kept answering asking the same question their answer was because the voices uh told me that I was being poisoned um now first they would say I don't know for three years they said I don't know and and they they had no idea why they just say I don't know why I stopped taking them and then on the seventh year I was at the hospital we had one girl who was about to be discharged okay her mother called me and said please don't discharge her I can't deal with her at home you know she she won't take her meds don't do it you know I'll come up and we'll find out why she

10:24 wasn't taking her meds and so she came up and uh we're both of us were begging her why why did you take your med you were doing good in school she she was in cosmetology class uh you're doing good in school now and you and you stopped taking your meds and now we're about to discharge you why why did you do that and she said you won't believe me I told you and her mother started begging her like and both of us were begging her tell us why why do you did that she said the voices were telling me that the psychiatrists were poisoning me and they pointed to the side of effects of the medications saying that that was the effects of being poisoned and indeed it was true those those meds are toxic they are poisonous they will shrink the

11:11 patient's brain if they use them long enough they actually shrink the brain they destroy the nervous system so they're very toxic substances they shouldn't be used long term they should only be used short term and then something else come in and take a some something else needs to be done you know because they're they're destructive medications what i' noticed when I first got there was that psychiatrists were being beat up at a rate higher than any of the other staff and they were they were spending less time with the patients than any of the other staff so they would spend and this was a state hospital so it was a government state government hospital they would spend 15 20 minutes a month with these patients and they were being

11:58 assaulted by schizoph frics at a rate almost equal to that of attendants that were on the ward with them 24 hours a day that made no sense to me until this girl told me that the voices were telling her that the psychiatrists were poisoning her and then it clicked it was like okay that's what they're telling these other patients also that the psychiatrists are poisoning them and that's why the the schizophrenics were attacking them at a rate higher than any other staff at the hospital other you know other than the attendant staff another thing I noticed when I got to the state hospital was that none of the staff I mean there were hundreds of

12:43 staffs there it was a size of a small town there were 200 buildings there they sprawled over 3,000 Acres it was it was a small town they had their own food factory they had their own hospital I mean it was like a a small town of mentally ill people it was huge but um none of the staff and there were hundreds of staff there if if not you know many hundreds none of them were interested in what the voices were telling these patients you know and I'm like you could see that there was a correlation between when they listen to these voices that they would get into trouble they would get into fights they would get into

13:29 arguments uh they would get paranoid you know so it was clear that there was a link between their Mal adoptive behavior and listening to the voices but none of the staff were interested in what the voices were telling these patients they weren't even curious about it what I started doing was started asking the schizophrenics on my case load what the voices were telling them they didn't like that because there there is no Ben fit to them telling a somebody who's working for psych or a counselor or the psychiatrist that they're hearing voices because all the psychiatrists would do would increase their medication so one of my jobs working working in in the

14:17 psychiatric units was to to watch the population in that particular unit and if any of the schizophrenics started getting out of control was to turn them into Psychiatry who would either increase their meds or add more drugs or change the drugs it was always around drugs they didn't spend any time talking to these people other than what are the voices doing are you are you hearing hallucinations so there was no benefit to them telling anybody about the voices you know if they if they tell their friends their friends left them they got scared you know you're you're possessed something's really wrong with you you're really strange and the friends would leave if they tell their parents their parents would drag them into the psychiatrist's office the psychiatrist

15:04 would say you know well you got schizophrenia it's uncurable you got to take these meds for the rest of your life and then they put them on these awful meds that made them feel awful like zombies so there and and in the hospital if they told a nurse or or a psych or counselor that they were hearing voices and having trouble controlling them they ended up in front of the psychiatrist again and their medications were again boosted up until they were drooling I mean until they were just they were walking zombies and none of them wanted to feel that way right so they were very hesitant to tell me anything about their voices so I would get little bits here and there you know um some of them would see that I was very curious about what

15:51 the voices were and they tell me one little thing and another one would tell me another little thing about the voices and I'd start collecting this little collection of things I knew about the voices and the more I knew about them the easier it was to get them to talk to them because I could I could approach a new guy on the on the ward and say you know tell me what these voices are telling you this is what I know you know I know they're negative I know they're any religious you know all the things I knew about them and they would see that I was different from the other pyes that would just go well they're hallucinations you know that I was serious about wanting to know what these things were and what they were telling them so little by little I got piece by piece by piece and the more I learned the more I could tell them till I got to the point where I knew more about their voices

16:38 than some of them did okay and then they would open up you know and they would see it that I wouldn't turn them into Psychiatry unless they were dangerous so they would give me more information but one of them got upset when I was asking him about his voices and he went and and told the psychiatrist and morning I was called into the psychiatrist office and the psychiatrist was scolding me saying you will not ask these patients about their voices anymore they're hallucinations they're not real and when when you ask them about their these voices all you're doing is reinforcing their hallucinations and he he and he threatened me you know that happened

17:24 twice okay so they they didn't want anybody investigating what the voice of were so there was like an unwritten law in in the in the psych hospital that you don't you don't staff don't do anything to upset psychotic patients that they don't have to do you know if you were asking questions it wasn't necessary they don't want to risk upsetting them because psychiatrists were getting beat up by them so I think they were afraid of them you know they didn't want anybody upsetting them okay um so I had to be be very careful because that happened twice there two psychiatrists told me don't be asking them questions you know you're upsetting them and they did get a little bit upset you know so I

18:09 had to really back down and and fly under the you know keep a low profile I didn't stop asking them questions but I had to be very careful not to upset them so they didn't go running to a psychiatrist again and then I'd get in trouble and they'd writee me up I'd be in trouble with the institution so one of the things I noticed as in asking them questions was that the voices were consistently Negative they were always um telling them bad things they they were mocking them they were making fun of them um it it was always negative constantly negative there wasn't they didn't say anything good

18:55 whatsoever it was all bad so I'm kind of wondering like the psychiatrist would say they are hallucinations that's what they're teaching in medical school that's what they taught me in graduate school that the voices are hallucinations right but if they're consistently negative why aren't they random like all other hallucinations I mean hallucinations are all over the place they're positive they're Negative they don't make any sense there's no pattern to them you can't predict them these voices were consistently Negative they were always negative and if they said anything positive it was only to sneak around behind the patient and stab him in the back later it was always negative so my question

19:40 was why aren't these voices if they're hallucinations like the psychiatric Mafia says they are why aren't they random also why is it running a consistent predictable pattern that they're always negative what holds them on a negative trajectory how come they aren't random so that was the first pattern I discovered and and kind of went okay if these things are running patterns they can't be hallucinations so I started looking for other patterns and so the second odity that came up is I had a patient once come into my office and and we were talking about his voices he said when I read the 23rd psalm he said the voices react like worms thrown on a hot frying

20:27 pan I found that interesting so what I did is I got the 23rd psalm and I started handing it out to my other patients who were hearing voices and I said every time you hear the voices repeat this Psalm and come back to me in a week and tell me what happened the voices absolutely hated it they they got they got louder they got angry they started screaming they started nashing they they absolutely hated it so I went that's odd why would a hallucination hate the 23rd

21:16 psalm they they did at one time and and that that that that was years later I'll tell you the story later but they warned me you know they were warning me to back off they they told me you have no right to interfere with our way of life but that was years after the state hospital when I was working at the state prison so I I would carry on some conversations with the voices through the patient so the patient would tell me now this was when I was working in the prison the patient would tell me what the voices were saying and I would talk to the voices through the patient they weren't nice and they didn't and they didn't like me while I was working at the state hospital I didn't know enough about them

22:03 I didn't even know what they were I was just finding these Oddities about them that didn't make any sense you know so what I noticed one day when I was making rounds on my ward was that the chaplain was running a ice cream social a dance down in the auditorium and the only patients that stayed on the floor in the dingy Ward were the schizophrenics they didn't go down there to get ice cream and cake and and dance and listen to music they just laid in their beds and were staring at the ceiling or were reading you know nasty Horror Story magazines it was all negative stuff they were reading so I noticed that the first time and I went well that's odd the second time it happened they were all up there again so I started asking them how

22:50 come you're not down there with the other guys how come you're you know because cake and ice cream were hard to come by there said how come you're you're not down there dancing and having cake and ice cream with the rest of them you know and and they said well we we don't like the preacher we don't listen we don't like listening to preachers um there you know we prayed to God and he never answered any of our prayers and uh we don't want anything to do with church and religion and that there you know there is no God or you know they were they were didn't want anything to do with the church or the preacher or religion or anything they they they just didn't okay so it was like odd I I I then I did another study kind of thing and I would ask I would ask them all did

23:37 you ever go to church and while while you were hearing the voices and and almost all of them did try to go to church because they felt there was something evil about these things so they tried to go to church and I found they broke down into the three categories if the voices were very weak in the patient when they went into the church the voices shut up they just went quiet if they were medium strength they got much louder they would they would interfere with listening to the what the preacher had to say um they would start mocking the preacher and make fun of him they would make front of the church they would say stuff like Jesus Christ can't even save himself what makes you think he's going to save you you know just all this stuff mocking the preacher making

24:24 fun of him blocking what the preacher had to say and and that the poor patient had to struggle to listen to what the the patient the preacher was saying the voices were very strong they would actually drive the guy out of the church he would get up and run out of the church well I've they didn't allow pets in the mental hospital so they didn't have any pets they didn't allow pets in the prison they didn't allow pets in the mental

25:10 health centers you know it it's uh I I do know that pets can see things like ghosts and stuff like that you know that that people can't see but so during all my investigations and my worksite they didn't have any pets there so I I can't really honestly answer that question but I know that they can see these things you know they can sense these things you know SK schizophrenics usually don't treat pets very well so once I saw this this religious stuff I mean the voices were consistently we're talking consistently all the time seldom now they would fake like they were Jesus Christ or they would

25:57 fake like they were some kind of Angel but they can fake like they're anything so they try to get these patients to believe like they're Jesus or they God or something like that but for the most part they're consistently anti-religious they resist the victim attending church reading the Bible following any positive spiritual path they become volatile uh if the patient repeats a 23rd psalm or the Lord's Prayer or any other spiritual verses they get angry they don't like it why would a hallucination care about religion I mean wh why why would that happen why would why would a hallucination consistently react negatively to anything religious that made no sense to me so here's the

26:44 first two patterns I noticed and they were consistent it happened to all of them all the time you know it it it was like a onetoone correlation this is how the voices behaved the third thing I know noticed is that the voices would always tell the patient bad things you're stupid you're ugly everybody hates you your mom hates you they're just faking like they like you um people are laughing at you people are look talking about you behind your back anything they could say to upset the patient they would say it and it and you know 80% of it was lies 90% of it was lies they would tell the patient anything they could to get them upset it was they that's what they were working

27:29 to do they were working to upset the patient to get them angry to get them paranoid to get them feeling bad and then I noticed that after the voices attacked the patients had no energy left they couldn't even get out of bed to go eat breakfast their energy was gone and this was a onetoone correlation it happened all the time when the voices attacked the patient they didn't have any energy left it was consistent it happened every time so I would ask the patients I'd say uh you know every time the voices come your energy drops down to zero doesn't it they go yeah yeah it does and and a lot of them didn't even notice that but when I talked about it they go Yeah Yeah by it does and now that you say it it does

28:16 I said uh where do you think your energy went you know you were laying in bed all night tossing and turning and the voices were were attacking you and mocking you you weren't burning up any energy but but yet you wake up in the morning and you're more drained one guy said he was so drained he felt after the morning he felt like he was digging ditches in the hot sun all day so that's how drained they were they were so drained some of them couldn't even get up and eat breakfast they couldn't get out of bed and I would ask them I said well where do you think your energy went you didn't use it you were just laying in bed all night where do you think it went the voices were attacking you and you wake up in the morning you don't have any energy what do you think think happened and they would say well I don't know I

29:02 don't know where my energy went it was like consistent they didn't they noticed the energy was gone but they didn't make a link between the voices and the energy leaving so I'd ask them listen if if you stuck your hand in a fire up 500 times and every time you got burned what was burning you they didn't have any trouble with oh the fire and then I'd say well you know you've been hearing voices for 10 years every time the voices come your energy is gone where do you think your energy went I don't know they didn't know some of them would go did the voices take it you know it's like so they were being blocked from realizing that there was a correlation between the

29:47 voices showing up and their energy leaving so it looked to me like the voices were parasites they were turning their emo State negative and then they were sucking the energy out of the patient third pattern I know somebody who got one there a Paranormal Investigator up in Tennessee Okay and she played that recording his schizophrenic um the the voices and it was clear you know so I had her on on my

30:37 uh you know I interviewed her and put her uh uh her testimony on there so yeah when she played that back you could actually hear the voice saying something I mean I forgot what that was saying but yeah she has a recording of them [Music] yeah severe physical emotional sexual abuse opens them up and the so the voices are like sharks smelling blood when when they feel somebody generating

31:24 negative emotion it it it attracts them okay the other things that attracts them is amphetamine when a patient when somebody takes amphetamine it just opens them up and it's like come and get me and the fourth thing is Ouija boards I've talked to several people who went psychotic on Ouija boards that that they were playing with the Ouija board and the whatever the spirit was answering them and then it got into their head and it stayed there and it never went away Ouija boards are very dangerous that's what they feed off of they feed off of that negative emotional energy that's their food

32:23 yeah oh yeah yeah I've had my battles with them almost killed me once it was U I haven't got to that part yet it happened in the prison but there was one time where I was about to go public with this information I went this is important people need to know this you know and I was going to be interviewed by one of the biggest podcasters in the US okay and I was down in Mexico and you know feeling fine nothing was wrong I woke up one morning and I couldn't move move my arm my right arm it was killing me it was just so painful and I didn't injure it I didn't do anything to it all of a sudden it just was painful and I couldn't move it and

33:09 it was getting worse by the day so I told my my friend I was down there with I mean I was on vacation with them and I said I I I'm not going to go to a Mexican hospital I need to get back up into Tucson I said I I need this is getting worse so soon as I got back I went to the emergency room they admitted me immediately it turned out that a staff infection has had exploded in my right shoulder and it was life-threatening so they put me in surgery the next day it all happened so fast but it knocked me out of doing that interview you know I couldn't do the interview because I was in pain and I couldn't move my arm and I was full of drugs so I'm I'm virtually certain they

33:54 did that because I didn't do anything to that arm I didn't even know you could get a staff infection anywhere than in your throat I had no idea you could get a staff infection in your shoulder that flew me away you know and I asked the doctor I said well how how common is this and he said it's not very common you know but it knocked me out from doing that interview and it took six months until I could do it but I did go back and do it so it was like screw them you know in spite of them I I went back and I'm I'm doing it anyway you bet [Music] bastards yeah they when I'm doing interviews they I'm surprised there wasn't any trouble with this one usually there's there's electrical interference

34:39 some kind of electronic interference with the interviews you know the screen goes bad or or the the the signal gets weak or something goes out or Zoom craps out or I mean it's almost expected now it happens so frequently and it's only with when I'm talking about this kind of stuff for

35:28 yeah they need the extra energy to get through so the noise and static they use that extra energy to get through to the the patient you know static like uh uh television noise uh fan noise I mean any kind of noise they can use that to get through better they they kind of piggy back onto that noise here's these pattern starting to emerge I'm still at the state hospital at this point so other ones started coming up they got louder after Sunset here's all these patients saying the voices get louder when the Sun goes down and it wasn't just one saying this they were almost all saying this so I'm like why would a hallucination care about the sun they get louder when ignored so I

36:16 was with a psychiatrist once with one of my patients and the psychiatrist is telling the patient oh they're just hallucinations just ignore them so I went well that's odd so I called that patient in a week later called him into my office and I said I was in there with you when the psychiatrist told you to ignore your voices they said uh how did that work for you he said it didn't he said they got much louder when I tried to ignore them so then I started asking all these other patients what happens when you ignore the voices all of them said they get louder they will not be ignored so here's pattern after pattern after pattern coming up you know then the next one was they Foster self-destructive Behavior they tell the patient to do stuff that's going to get him in trouble get him in fights get him

37:01 in trouble in school get him kicked out of class uh get him in trouble with with authorities they're trying to Foster self-destructive Behavior they're trying to destroy tell the patient to do stuff that's destroying them and making their life miserable so here's pattern after pattern after pattern coming up and this is just at the state hospital and I still didn't know what these things were you know I just found it odd that they're running patterns and you know I the fact that they're running patterns shows that they're not hallucinations because hallucinations don't run patterns so I knew that but I didn't know what they were and I didn't want to believe that they were evil spirits or demons or anything like that I was still

37:47 thinking well it's something going wrong with their subconscious mind I mean so something something's wrong there and I was so frustrated because I couldn't get at the information I really wanted to get at I mean they they they would a lot of them wouldn't give me that information and I had to be very careful that they didn't run to a psychiatrist and say hey he's asking us questions about the voices again because I could have got fired so I had to keep a real low profile at the state hospital I spent about seven years there and I learned basically what I told you up to this point while I was at the state hospital but there were there were other things that didn't make sense so I'd asked the we were taught in graduate

38:33 school that schizophrenia is due to a chemical imbalance of the brain in the schizophrenic okay now I would watch psychiatrist talk to patients and then just sit there and prescribe some medication if there's a chemical imbalance of the brain wouldn't you think they would need a baseline what's what chemicals are out of balance in the brain how much are they out of balance you know some kind of Baseline that before they started writing prescriptions never happened you know I watched scores of psychiatrists write prescriptions they never gave any kind of OB objective test there was no lab work there was no x-rays there was no

39:20 EKG eegs there was no kind of test given to ever determine what chemicals in the brain were at balance by how much ever they never had a baseline it was like they had a dart board and they throw the dart at the okay we'll start off with this medicine and if that doesn't work we'll try this one and if that doesn't work we'll increase the doses that doesn't work we'll decrease the doses if that doesn't work we'll add more medicin so it was every permutation of different medicines you could imagine but there was no Baseline so one day I I asked one of the psychiatrists I said if if this is a chemical brain imbalance and you're not giving any kind of test to determine what chemicals are out of balance in the brain how do you know what chemicals

40:05 what what chemicals are out of balance or by how much how do you know that oh oh the drug companies tell us that we just do what the drug company say I'm like you what you know it's like it was incomprehensible to me it was like letting the the the wolf in in the chicken coup I mean it was just I couldn't believe it but that's what they were doing not only do they not know what chemicals are out of balance or by how much they don't even know what the chemical balance of the brain should be they don't know [ __ ] they don't know anything it's just they they made this up and I I went where where did that come from that came from a drug company by the name of Eli Lily back in the 70s when they came out with Prozac they didn't know what caused schizophrenia

40:51 they look dumb so they had to make something up then they made up this chemical brain imbalance saying oh well if our chemicals help somewhat it must be something to do with the brain and then they published that nobody countered it you know it took another decade before it researchers came out and started saying we don't see any chemical imbalance of the brain what are you talking about you know and then they s tried to suppress that information but before that they were blaming it on Mothers they would tell mothers well the mothers did something bad to cause schizophrenia we we're not quite sure what they did but they did something the mothers w't we didn't do anything what do we do you know but that was observable so they had to switch it to something that was not

41:38 observable out of the out of the purview of most people so they they went with they went with genetics they went well oh it's a genetic abnormality you know it's it's a there's something there's a genetic predisposition there's the it's got to do with the genes you know and then the the it took a took another decade for some geneticists to to actually investigate this and they found there was no genetic Gene for schizophrenia and and then they published that and the psychiatric Mafia and big farmer went nuts and they went well it's not just one gene it's a whole bunch of genes that they're all tangled up together and and we'll figure it out one day but we know it's the genes you know and it's like uh it was a lie it

42:24 was another lie so then once that went down and gen the geneticist said there is no genetic marker for schizophrenia so they concocted the lie about the chemical inbalance and that has long been disproven conclusively but they're still advertising that they're still teaching it in the universities and it's a lie it's it's concocted by the drug companies to sell drugs these people do not want people recovering from schizophrenia they're making 14.7 billion billion not million ion dollars a year selling anti psychotic drugs that do nothing other than Tamp down the symptoms they don't cure anything the voices are still there the bad behavior is still there it's just tamped down

43:10 it's not as bad you know so it they don't cause as many trouble as much trouble when they're tranquilized these are these are major tranquilizers they don't cure anything and they never will because these voices are energetic entities they are not physical entities you know so what they're doing is like if if you got a big magnet and and you you you you look at it you don't see a a a magnetic field you don't see it you don't smell it you don't taste it you can't it's just for all practical purposes it's invisible it's there but you can't you can't see it you know you can't detect it you get a bottle of iron filings and you put that on the magnet

43:56 now you can see the pattern okay now it's visible these patterns are the iron filings for schizophrenia these are the operational definition of these entities this is what they do this is how they react this is how they behave and we got 23 of them they're all listed on my website under Articles at Jerry marzinsky dcom you can go there and see them for yourself they're right there in front of you any any psychiatrist any counselor any doctor can go there and see these for themselves and if they look at their schizophrenic patients they will see them their patterns hallucinations don't have patterns so this hallucination stuff is a total lie they've not done any

44:42 research on it at all they're like the Egyptian priests that just come out and go we hereby pronounce that the voices are hallucinations because we said so there's no research to back it up at all zero for [Music]

45:56 what I'm saying yeah and I found that very interesting when I read your book so I'm going to I'm going to experiment with that I have I have patients even now that now the other thing they don't like is uh what I saw at the at the uh state hospital they gave um shock treatments you know they put the electrodes and and shock the brain okay what I noticed is that after those shocks the voices would disappear for a day or a week you know they would they would would vanish but they would always come back so that electricity somehow they didn't like it okay and then I read a book called 30 years among the dead where a psychiatrist was administering static electric shocks to

46:42 the patient and the voices would experience that as painful lightning storms and they would leave and the psychiatrist wife was a psychic she would take the voice and talk them into the light and then once they went into the light they were gone and I try that myself and it does work but I don't like talking to them I I feel like I shouldn't be talking to them but I did test it out and it does work now I've got a couple of patients now that are using tens machines they're they're the machines to administer slight electrical shocks for muscle pain and they're using them against the voices and they're shutting the voices up so I don't know how long it would last we're still experimenting with it

47:28 but it is working you know there there're low electrical shocks that they use to to for pain you know and the machines are very inexpensive and they're shutting the voices up now I don't know whether they'll stay away they're parasites I'm thinking if you can drive them away for long enough they'll starve and they'll move on because they're not feeding off of those patients who were when they they got their shock machines on now this is only based on three or four patients right now so I don't know how valid it is we're still experimenting with

48:15 it I think one of the one of the main things they need to understand is that not all thoughts that come into your head belong to you these things can they can put thoughts in your mind and that's what they do they put the they put the thoughts in schizophrenic's mind and it sounds you know it it's not like what you think it's it's not like you know word the voices or it doesn't sound anything like that it sounds just like all the other thousands of thoughts you have in a regular day there's no difference in Tempo or loudness or they sound just like all the rest of your thoughts only the intention and the content is very different okay so all of a sudden you'll get an intrusive thought like uh oh you stupid jerk or you know

49:02 why did I do that or why did I say that that's them they hit everybody not just the schizophrenics it's much more noticeable with the schizophrenics because they're hitting them constantly but they hit us all they're always hitting us every negative thought that comes through your mind comes from them you know so what what we're we think because we hear the voice in our head we think that it belongs to us because it's happening in our head so we go well that belongs to me no that's not true you know a good number of the thoughts that enter your head do not belong to you you you turn on the television none of those thoughts belong to you all this garbage news coming out this negativity this these murders and and and uh

49:50 disasters and all that kind of crap you know and and even when you're you know just driving along I mean uh and all of a sudden just a bad thought comes into your head and you go where did that come from you know you know it doesn't belong to you Emanuel swedenborg Christian Mystic who lived 300 years ago he said none of your thoughts belong to you they either come in from heaven or they come in from hell you're the Chooser you're the one who chooses which ones you want to pay attention to because the ones you pay attention to are the ones that you're giving your energy too so what happens with these people that are badly uh Psych logically physically or sexually abused they're at a very low frequency so they're attracting these things they're paying attention to the negative because that's

50:36 what they experience that's what they expect so these things are feeding on them that's where the mace energy method comes in it's a new Cutting Edge Psychotherapy that gets rid of these these mental programs you know uh that Foster guilt and shame so the from what I see there's two things happening you got entities attacking you and you've got like a mind virus that is caused by um trauma that you've had in your life and that trauma causes a program that that tells you this is the way the world is when it's not okay and it's it's subconscious because the ego takes that pain and that trauma and it buries it into subconscious so you don't have to

51:22 experience it but every what what happens then is every time somebody shows up in your psychological sphere like the person who traumatized you that thing reacts it triggers it goes off and it causes an upset and that upset that thing tells you it's out there it's not in you it's out there it's that person there they're the one causing it either beat them up or or abuse them or get rid of them or run from them or get away from them and the universe keeps sending you people like that telling you something is wrong something's off with your programming and the mace energy method goes in there and it's an energetic therapy and it will dissolve that stuff it will be gone so there were no more reactions to the person who abused you and the person who abused you the memory of them is like

52:08 okay they did it but there's no more emotional pain to it it's an energetic therapy so it consists of a spiritual component and a psych psychological or scientific component because what you're dealing with is energy the spirit is energy your feelings are energy your thoughts are energy you know it's all energy and what Psychiatry is doing is like the magnet we talked about here's here you got an energy field it's like they're taking Thorazine or psychiatric drugs and pouring it on top of that energetic field and expecting it to disappear it does not the voices are still there the schizophrenia is still there they might be gumming up the works a little bit and

52:54 and calming down the brain because it's not it's it's it's drugged up but they're not getting rid of anything they're not getting rid of that magnetic field because these entities are energetic their energy they're not physical you can't get rid of them with by physical means it's a spiritual battle these these things can go into your mind because your mind is energy they can pull up every rotten thing you've ever done and rub it in your face there's I had patients where the the voices went in there and they owed somebody a quarter that they borrowed 20 years ago and never paid them back the voice came out with that say see what a bad person you are you never paid that guy back in his quarter and he's poor and they started attacking him for that so they can go in there and they can

53:40 pull up every rotten thing you've ever done and throw it in your face over and over again that's like when you know remuneration animals don't do that you know a person does something bad and they go oh I shouldn't have done that and why did I do that and oh now they hate me and it just goes on and on and on and on that's them it's generating that negative emotional energy an animal you know something bad happens to it and that that's that gets over with and then it just goes on about its life it doesn't keep going oh well I did this and I did that and I shouldn't have said this and I shouldn't have done that it doesn't happen it's only unique to humans

54:26 what I can do better than that I got a poem written by one okay this guy murdered three people he cut his girlfriend to Pieces all right and and they still haven't found her body so his mother sent me this poem he wrote so this guy is locked up in a Colorado prison in a maximum security unit in isolation that's how dangerous he is okay so he wrote this about his voices so they still haven't found the pieces of his girlfriend they know he cut her up into little pieces and they they don't know where she is okay so the voices completely took this guy over he says now he's writing about the voices okay and he he names this thing he says

55:14 there is a monster is the name of his poem so he said there is a monster that lives in my head this Monster is real it's not under my bed my monster tells me things to do it tells me sometimes when news is new okay so it tells him things he said my monster is crying as it spent all the years drowning out my courage and disposing my fears my monster is strong that's what I like to think my monster is coming when it's time to drink so here he's saying when he drinks alcohol the monster comes out and gets even worse he said my monster is ready my monster is strong and they get supernaturally strong I mean schizophrenics get supernaturally

56:02 strong I mean I I can tell you one story where the guy was like he was like Superman I mean it happened in the prison so they get that their strength is beyond comprehension it just it it just doesn't fit a regular person at all even even weight lifters so he said my monster is ready my monster is strong so it's saying it's monsters is ready to fight any time and and protect him what will I do when my monster is gone so he knows that monster is protecting him my monster will never leave that is his plan it overwhelms me when I'm making a stand okay so what he's saying there is like when he gets into a fight the monster overwhelms him and takes

56:49 over you know very seldom did these guys lose a fight in the prison and guards learn not to irritate them not to pick on them there is a monster inside of me I thought I was strong how could this be my monster has a name too he walks in the dark Whispering yazu my monsters watching me he won't tell you my name my monster is the Shadows that you cannot see his heart is heavy he plays for the game so he plays for Keeps my monster is aware he wants to be monster he said like the blood from a lake his bond is with me now monster he has nothing else to do my

57:36 monster is aware the monster was his voices they completely took him over I only know one other patient where where they completely took him over you know and it um that guy he came into the emergency room one day when I uh I I was working at the prison and then the last 10 years I was worked for anybody I was working site crisis in emergency rooms in hospitals around Tucson so psych patients would come into the emergency room and we'd have to figure out what to do with them right so this guy um his parents moved out of Phoenix and he stayed behind with his girlfriend he couldn't get a job he was living off his

58:21 girlfriend his girlfriend was starting to get fed up with it he was hearing voices um she locked herself in the bedroom at night because she didn't feel safe with him and then one night uh he she heard him go out of the H of the apartment and he went out into the grass in the middle of the grass and she's watching him from the window and he had a big butcher knife and he was stabbing the grass over and over again with this big butcher knife so she freaked out and she locked the door didn't let him back in he's pounding on the door and she called the police so uh he ran and then he called his parents who were in Phoenix they were probably 400 miles away his dad gave him money to come to them okay so he's

59:09 living with them and he's he's angry he he he's he's fighting with his brothers he's he's yelling at his father he's he's just very upset and they would call him by his right name you know the name name he would was given like Rick or John or something like that and every time they would call him by his given name he would get furious and he would say I'm not John I'm Joe you know he would get mad at them and say call me Joe I'm John is dead so telling the P the family that the person they knew was dead and that he had taken over okay so um what he did is he he uh attacked his

59:57 father when his father called him by the right name and his brother big brother came and beat the crap out of him and then he threatened them uh to burn their house down or something like that saying ordered them out of the house said this is my house so they called the police and they hauled him into the emergency room so he he was gone you know he was uh he believed he was somebody else they had taken him over too but that's very rare US usually there's something left in the person still fighting these things you know so what they do is they try to P push the original personality out they get them to believe that the voices they're hearing belong to them and if they think that their voices are them then they slowly take them over and

1:00:43 they push the personality out and they're running the show the prison is full of schizophrenics they shut down all the state hospitals over here and now they have they can't work you know they they have to steal to to survive or or sell drugs and the prison is full of them and all they're doing is is drugging them with drugs that nothing's changing so here they are that it's like a graduate school for psychotic prisoners they they get abused they get beat up they they're in a hard and nasty environment and then when they're they're their sh their term is over when their prison sentence is over they just kick them out to the street with $50 and say okay you did your you did your your uh uh your time you're free to go of

1:01:32 course they go out there and they're in worse shape than when they ever came went in so the re recidivism rate here in the prisons in the US is between 50 and 75% so after I list the uh this the hospital okay the the big state hospital with the thousands of of psychiatric patients I went back to the PHD program got commed to supposedly one of the best programs in the country they didn't know anything they didn't freaking know anything they didn't know anything that would matter on the front lines with the clinical stuff they didn't know they didn't know how to mind work there was no spiritual anything to them they were spiritually devoid you know and we're Spiritual Beings they didn't know anything but two years of that was all I

1:02:17 could stand so I left there I went and uh eventually got a job in the psychology department of the state prison okay and I was sick of schizophrenics you know by the time I left the state hospital I didn't want to see them anymore they were driving me crazy I didn't know what was going on with them I didn't know what these voices were I didn't want to believe in demons nothing was making sense I was like just get me away from them for a while I need a break I I don't I don't want to deal with them anymore and I still didn't know what the voices were you know I didn't want to believe in demons so I was like get me away from them so I was away from them for two years you know and then maybe three and then when I got back into the

1:03:05 psychology department of the state prison here they were again hundreds of them more than it was in the state hospital you know I had a whole unit full of them you know so what I did is I got I got together with the ones that would tell me what their voices were saying in real time so when we're in my office talking I said I want you to tell me every time the voices tell you something I want you to tell me what they're saying okay so I would be able to talk to the voices through them they would tell me what the voices were saying and then I'd speak down to the voices and tell the voices didn't like me and then I would be able to speak to them through through them so I had a group of about 10 to 15 of them around me all the time who agreed to do the

1:03:51 same thing okay now not all of them wanted to do it because the voice would take would take uh repercussions they the voices didn't want them talking to me and they would make some of their lives miserable not all of them wanted to do it but I always had 10 or 15 of them around me all the time always asking them questions what are the voices saying how they reacting to this what are they doing now you know um so I was getting realtime feedback right there immediately you can tell them that now that didn't that didn't happen in the state hospital I couldn't do do that at the state hospital so if if one of those patients I one of those prisoners I was working with didn't like what I was doing and they went to the warden or

1:04:36 went to the captain of the of the prison and said oh the psych is asking us questions about our voices and I don't like it they would say get out of my face get out go play into traffic man that doesn't even that didn't even come anywhere near the line to where they would cause them any concern so I was really able to get a lot of research done in the prison you know because I was unhindered for until they started recovering once they started recovering and getting getting rid of the voices then I got in trouble so so what I would do is I would bombard these guys with questions and more patterns started coming out so I got to wondering what would happen if I started interfering with those patterns what would happen if I threw a monkey wrench in those patterns and started messing up the patterns that these things were running

1:05:23 telling the patients to do the opposite of what the voices were telling them the patient to do okay so this disrupting their patterns and it didn't take long before the the these prisoners in this group came back and told me the voices don't like what you're doing they don't want us coming here they they they they start screaming and hollering every time we come here they don't want us coming here they're telling us not to come not to visit you they're telling us you're crazy you're stupid uh what you're doing makes no sense they're doing everything they can to keep us from coming you know but I have to hand it to them they kept coming okay they kept reporting what these things were saying so here here's here they're and and it's all of them they're all saying the same thing you

1:06:09 know the voices don't like what you're doing they they don't like you interfering that you haven't you know they don't want to all of them were saying the same thing and they didn't know each other you know so it's independent so one day uh after working with one guy he turns around in my doorway on the way out of the office and he says you know what you're doing is dangerous don't you and I I just looked at him and said well that didn't make any sense well I didn't say anything I just looked at him like where'd that come from you know they're in I'm thinking they're in your head they're not in my head you know where'd that come from I didn't ignore it I just kind of put it in in the memory you know just held it back there they they were getting more and more upset with what I was doing because I was interfering with

1:06:56 their what they were doing with these patients you and I I give the patients homework or the the prisoners homework every week and then they would come back and tell me what effect it had on the voices and the voices were getting more and more upset they didn't like it okay so here's more and more evidence coming in that these these voices aren't hallucinations you know and but I didn't want to believe that they were demons or evil spirits I I just didn't want to believe that but here's this over more and more evidence coming in and my denial system's getting shakier and shakier but I still didn't want to believe it so one day one of the guys I was working with somehow he got into the medical unit where the psychology department was and he knocks on my

1:07:41 office door I open the door and I don't know how you get in because I didn't give him a pass and he tells me the voices want to talk to you and I'm like they want to talk to me personally I asked him that had never happened before in the 20 years I've been working with schizophrenics the voices never spoke to me directly they always spoke through the patient this was something new so it kind of took me a back and I'm like they want to talk to me directly they want to speak to me and he goes yeah they want to speak to you directly I said well come on in we sat him down closed the door and I said what do they have to say and these words came out of his mouth you have no right to interfere with our way of life our way of life and the

1:08:29 Prisoner said that wasn't me that was them telling you that it wasn't my words that was them and it would have been dangerous for him to play those kind of games with my head because I had a lot more power than he did you know but he was he was serious he said that didn't come from me and then I went to respond back and I said well tell them this and he said I don't have to tell them anything they can see you they can hear you they can hear everything you say they can see everything you say they can see you right now and that took me back I didn't know they could do that you know after that after he left my mind just went boom you know it was like they are they are entities they are separate entities this is no hallucination this is no trick of the subconscious this is no chemical imbalance anything these are

1:09:15 entities and I was so shocked I closed my office for the rest of the day and just steered out the window but I didn't stop and I still kept working with these guys and then uh uh one day I was reading a book by Miguel Ruiz who was talking about these voices being parasites so I decided to bring that into the prison and read it to one of the guys I've been working with okay and ask him what he thought of that so I brought him in and I'd worked with him for like six months he was getting better and I went to read I said I got I got this book I want to read you this paragraph and let me know what you think about it because I was always asking asking them questions I was constantly bombarding them with questions so I started reading it and it

1:10:00 got to the part where it was talking about the voices being parasites you know uh vampires I I look over at him and he's got this zombie look on his face and then all of a sudden there's this electrical crackling breaks out right behind my head it sounded just like an arc welder it was crack crack crack crack crack crack and I'm like freaked out and and I look at him and I said Do you hear hear that and he doesn't say anything he's just staring at me with this weird zombie like stare so I went he's going to attack and I pushed my chair against the wall so I could kick him back if he came at me and this crackling kept going on and on and on and it was loud it didn't just last a few seconds it went all the way up the right wall of my office crackling all

1:10:45 the way like crack crack crack crack and then across the ceiling cracking cracking all the way across the ceiling and down the other wall it must have lasted 25 30 seconds and then it it jumped into this Rubbermaid trash can right near my leg and I bent over and I looked at it and there was nothing in there the inmate Porter had cleaned it the night before and the whole time I was kind of trying to keep an eye on him and and trying to see what this causing this crackling noise and I couldn't see anything there there was nothing visible and uh then all of a sudden he gets up very slowly and he goes I gotta leave and he kind of shuffles out of the office and I'm like go go get out of here go I don't you know leave and so he leaves and I get up and I examine the walls and I don't see any burn marks on

1:11:32 them I don't see any reason that that could have happened it made no sense I run out into the hall and I look at the other offices and they're still locked nobody's in there there's no no cause for this crackling that lasted almost a half a minute you know so I was I was completely blown away it you know was I'm like what am I getting into I didn't think these things could affect physical reality and right here in front of my face they did they caused that crackling sound I'm like where is this leading how much trouble am I going to get into I don't have a cognitive map of any of this I don't know anybody who's been here before there was nobody I could talk to I couldn't even talk to my wife I was starting to think I was going nuts you know but I couldn't talk to anybody

1:12:17 because I knew what they would think you know especially my colleagues so I had to keep all this to myself until I met Sher the the co-author of of the book that we wrote okay now she had she heard these voices earlier now I had somebody to talk to finally okay so what happened is about uh three two to it was about three months later I finally got the nerve up to call this

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