Commanding The Spirit Realm

0:01 You can't legislate on behalf of God if you don't know the full counsel of God. What is spiritual authority? Spiritual authority is to have the right to represent and execute on behalf of the author of all things. It's not just about shaking and falling and screaming in prayer. It's about the wisdom that you get that gives you the capacity to decide on behalf of God. I found out that many times Christians don't understand that Christianity is a business, right? It's a holy end. Yes. You're expected to trade and transact and to do business and to show results. And to show results, productivity. Absolutely. The husband man longs waited for the products of the earth. Exactly. So he planted and he's waiting to reap a

0:48 harvest. Yes. So we forget that Jesus is the ultimate businessman and he keeps his eye on the profit ledger. Why do you think we demonize business? We have demonized something that we have refused to take dominion over. The reason why profitability does not come when you try to do it right is because darkness has occupied the space. And so the resistance of darkness is more than the influence of our little light. Because when you think about it, Pimo, because true business does not begin from the physical realm. True business begins from your ability to trade in the realm of the spirit. So powerful. That when you sit on a table to negotiate, you don't negotiate with men. You negotiate with altars. Because every man is a representation of the heent. Exactly.

1:34 And so you're going into a room trying to do business with God when you're working in only flesh. So you will definitely lose. So Christianity is not about oh I know I have good values or I have good morality. You need to have a spirit that is on fire and alert and awakened to how to engage with altars. Apostle Egala a luminary. She is a university and we're going to be speaking about spiritual authority and you guys need to listen to this. How can you fight in the battle of life? How can you walk and not faint? How can you receive something from the divine that enables you to break through and to crush the obstacles that stand in your way? Come along on this journey and you will touch the sky.

2:21 I want to go to the sky. I want to see through your eyes. I believe in the lies. I'm believe I want to see through your eyes. I believe in the lies. I'm not believe in the lies. So I want to welcome you especially to touch the sky our podcast. Thank you people. Thank you. It is a joy to be here. Thank you for You're very welcome. Yes sir. Tell us who is Apostle E. I'm E Gagba. I'm a minister of the gospel. I run a ministry called People of Influence Network and it has multiple expressions. um from the mantle of Deborah, this is Jacob, vows of incense,

3:06 Eden, children of influence, influence academy and all of these um various expressions just means by which we can reach different demographics and communicate God's heart to them. I run AC Benedicta Institute and I also speak I speak in nations, platforms and different systems. This is who I am in a nutshell. I have a husband and two boys. So good. So good. It seems like a complex poty of many things. So I thank God that somehow God has given me the opportunity to to be in the front row of many of the things that you spoke about. So I know none of them is a lie. Absolutely. It's so complex and so so beautiful and somehow by the grace of God you're very

3:52 effective. What do you ascribe the power of your effectiveness to? For example, let's talk about international ministry. Let's talk about things that you do in nations. What is that thing that God has given to you that make nations to fling open their doors to you? What do you think it is? If a person were to answer this question intelligently, he would say it's a mix of different things. Right? But I have found out that that in the midst of all those things like gifts, grace, talent, destiny, purpose, all of that, there is one foundational thing, prayer. Right? Um I believe that everything that we are given by God is um her nested in the place of prayer. So even if it's a gift, even if it's a calling, pre-ordination, it is when you

4:38 pray that you kind of like peel off the layer and you expose the depth and the truth within it. So I'm a woman of prayer. I I I stay in the presence of God. I press in the presence of God. When I go into nations, I'm crossing territories. I'm crossing spiritual atmospheres. I'm engaging with princes and powers. And to be able to do that, you need to be on high alert. And the only way you keep your spirit alert and effective as an individual is to stay in the place of prayer. In in in a situation like that, the entirety of your being wears the personality of God. So whether it's your soul, your soul receives emotional balance. Whether it's your spirit, your spirit receives power to pursue. Whether it's your body, your body receives intellectual capacity to

5:24 engage. So prayer is what distills the capacity of God to your tripartite being. Many people struggle with prayer. How do you unleash the power of prayer? Fantastic. Um for me, one foundational scripture that explains how I have been able to grow in prayer is you know when the Bible says those that seek him will seek him in spirit and in truth. I think that those are the two major recipes that unlock the wells within us. Many people want to pray from their head. They want to pray from their lips. You know, they want to pray from their body and their actions. But true prayer begins when you withdraw into your spirit. And you realize that this is a spirittospirit engagement.

6:09 Say that again. It's so good. True prayer begins when you with redraw into your spirit. And you know this is a spirit to spirit engagement. And also the moment you do that, it's not just spirit but truth. I always tell people that there are multiple pathways into the realm of the spirit. And the way humanity was created, our entire body and structure was configured by God to be able to host spiritual things and to be able to host divinity. But in the realm of the spirit, it's not just God that exists. There are principalities, powers, rulers, spiritual wickedness, you know, the darkness of this world. And so it's very easy for a human vessel to become the conduit of different kinds of spiritual engagements. So that's why it says not just in spirit but in truth.

6:56 So the moment you go you withdraw into the spirit. You take the truth of God which is the word of God. So I hold a scripture to my heart when I go into God's presence because I know the nature of God is eternal. So the things that God gives like his word have eternal capacity, endless potential to enable us journey into God's presence. So I say to myself, so that means God has a gate. That means God is not just anywhere and everywhere. Yes, he's omnipresence, but to be able to touch him on the level of intimacy, you must enter through a gate. He says, I will enter his gate with thanksgiving in my heart. That means the gate has got a key and the key is thanksgiving. So it's in the place of prayer that the Lord begins to break down the personality, the process and

7:43 the protocol of God. For me, prayer is all about just making this endless journey into the presence of an eternal God. And so I I I enjoy it. I come naked and I expose my heart before the Lord. And it's in that place that prayer is not a chore. Prayer is not a responsibility. Prayer is not a religious obligation. Prayer becomes an intimate journey of discovering the one whose essence you carry on the inside of you. Is it true that then that spiritual authority emerges out of that interaction that in the connection with the spirit of God, you begin to wear some of the power of God in everyday life? Can you correlate prayer with spiritual authority? Then

8:28 when I think about it, cuz you asked about prayer and the spiritual authority and what spiritual authority is because when you think about it, Pimo, prayer, yes, brings you into the presence of God, exposes you to the power and the potential of God. But the thing is, do we understand that prayer is for revelation because yes, God can give you a measure of authority because you prayed. But you see, authority is not just bestowed as an intangible substance. authority distills into revelation understanding strategy and capacity to manifest and that's where many people miss it. you know they feel like oh you know authority I prayed I feel powerful authority is not a feeling authority

9:13 manifest that's why the bible speaks about the seven spirit of god and it speaks about the fact that the government shall be upon his shoulders he shall be called wonderful counselor everlasting father prince of you know the mighty god now when you piece out all of these things to be wonderful means you have the capacity to do things that make people marvel so that means you are novel that means you are ingenious that means you have understanding and clarity and you are creative you are innovative you know counselor that means you have wisdom that means you have the ability to look at situations and break it up and open it up so when we look at these things that people say oh I prayed and I had an encounter with this spirit or that spirit these things that we call spiritual an ordinary man cannot touch

9:59 them we cannot it makes no sense to them but the truth is that it must be distilled into tangible solutions Now, so what is spiritual authority? Spiritual authority is to have the right to represent and execute on behalf of the author of all things. Wow. That's spiritual authority. That's so good. You know, and so the right to execute. Yes. And carry out activity on behalf of the author of all creation. Yeah. So you can't legislate on behalf of God if you don't know the full council of God. So at the end of the day, spiritual authority is not just about shaking and falling and screaming in prayer. It's about the wisdom that you get that gives you the capacity to

10:45 decide on behalf of God. You know, and one scripture that has really explained spiritual authority to me is Luke 19. The Bible speaks about this master who was going on a journey and he gave his servants talent and he came back and the Bible says when he returned he returned to see how they had traded with the talent you know and you see I found out that many times Christians don't understand that Christianity is a business right it's a it's a business it's a holy it's a holy devil yes you know it's a trade you're expected to trade and transact and to do business and to show results and to show results, productivity. Absolutely. So I tell people that our master is a master of profit,

11:30 you know, and so when I meet Christ, oh the scripture, the husband man longs waited for the products of the earth. Exactly. So he planted and he's waiting to reap a harvest. Yes. So we forget that Jesus is the ultimate businessman and he keeps his eye on the profit ledger. Why do you think we demonize business? Is it because we see it as dirty? If the church is doing business, it means the church is corrupt because business is corrupt and there's bribery and corruption involved in business. So Christians who turn the enterprise of God in the objective to make profit for God seem to be accused of something. I will go back to that scripture, but I think it's because Christians haven't actually possessed the business real

12:17 well. So business that we know so far has been done on the level of broken humanity. And so within broken humanity only the virtues and the values of humanity we showed corruption, stealing, cheating. So we have demonized something that we have refused to take dominion over and I think the moment we are able to step back and say the reason why profitability does not come when you try to do it right is because darkness has occupied the space. And so the resistance of darkness is more than the influence of our little light. So we have to go back and redefine business because true business does not begin from the physical realm. True business begins from your ability to trade in the realm of the spirit. And so I often tell people that when you sit on a table to negotiate, you don't

13:03 negotiate with men. You negotiate with altars. Because every man is a representation of the heent. Exactly. And so you're going into a room trying to do business with God when you're working in only flesh. So you will definitely lose. So Christianity is not about oh I know I have good values or I have good morality. You need to have a spirit that is on fire and alert and awakened to how to engage with altars. And so through negotiation there's something I call spiritual trade protocols. And I'm like, for you to be able to trade or do business effectively, number one, you need to know the times and seasons. So, is it a season of trade? The Bible says that to everything under the sun, there's a purpose and a time for, you

13:49 know, everything under under heaven, you know. So, the question is, are you trading in the right season? You know, is it a time when the heavens are backing up your your desires and what you're trying to do, you know? So, but in the right season you get the backing of the heavens and the earth and the angelic host. Um, the second thing about spiritual trade protocols is that you must understand how to negotiate. We see several times in scriptures when God was going to execute his work, he would often present it with his friends and his prophets and they were open to negotiate. But I found that that many times we play the victim card as opposed to the powerful card of being negotiators. If you have not learned to negotiate on behalf of a generation, how can you acquire the wealth by which a generation can shift?

14:35 So good. For you to acquire the wealth of a generation, you must have the power or the authority to negotiate on behalf of that generation. Absolutely. So what unleashes generational wealth upon you is that you carry something that is representative of an entire generation. You able to trade it on an altar. Absolutely. So good. Absolutely. You know, so you are able to negotiate, you know, also consecration, you know, because the spirit realm is all about priesthood and sacrifices. And many of us think like we can bypass all of that and and gain authority, but you can't. Your seat of power is only as strong as the throne that backs it up. And the throne is as strong as the altar that facilitates it. As strong as the sacrifice and the

15:21 sacrifice for the altar. Yes. By the priesthood, you know. So all of this is connected. So I found out that that the the struggle people have is a struggle of spiritual intelligence. They don't see the interconnectedness of consecration, sacrifice, priesthood with spiritual intelligence, capacity to download blueprints. It's your atmosphere clear so that you can receive the signals of heaven and then you can translate it into plans and strategies and structures and systems. You know that's what makes you powerful as you sit you know on thrones. So what you then see the Bible says that the the master gave them talents and when he came back the one who he gave five had multiplied and became 10. The one who gave three you know all of that. But there was this servant who did nothing

16:07 and then he hid it. That servant is story for another day. But where I'm going to is that the Bible says that to the one who multiplied like five and made it 10. It says he gave him authority over 10 cities. So you move from stewarding talent into territorial authority. Right. So I find out that many people are like, "Oh, so good." Yeah. So authority starts from how you manage the talents he's given to you. Absolutely. Then he gives you cities. Yeah. And he gives you cities. So I need to I need to replay this. It's so good. Yeah. So authority grows. It grows. Absolutely. It's not just something that God pours on your name. You have spiritual authority. You can trade with it.

16:52 Yes. You are expected to trade with it. You are expected. I've never heard it before. And I've been an old Christian. You're expected to trade. So good. I love it. I love it. I love it. I I want to stay here. I don't I don't want to go away from this point. It's so powerful. So you exercise authority over the talents that you trade with the talents you've been given and God comes to reward your stewardship authority with territorial authority. Yeah. The person who will take the land is the person who has managed the individuals God has given to him effectively. Absolutely. So good.

17:38 So the question now is how do you trade with your talent? You know, I always tell people, you know, how the Bible says he gives beauty for ashes, a garment of praise instead of a spirit of heaviness. And I say to them, the only problem with spiritual trade is that it doesn't really look like a trade is going on. Because the circumstances that open up a season of trade are usually circumstances that mark us with pain and grief. And so, we get distracted by the feeling of pain that we don't know that the day of trade has been opened. Right? And so you look at the story of people like Esau and Jacob. On the day that trade was open for Esau, Esau was hungry. So his natural emotion and passion was, I'm just going to give up everything to

18:23 eat and I don't care. I I don't care about anything else. And so what the devil does is that in the day of trade, he heightens your flesh and your emotional desires so that the eyes of your spirit are deemed and you don't see, you negotiate. um a deficit for yourself, right? And that's what happens to a lot of Christians. A lot of Christians on the day something important is about to happen, you can see them emotionally flare up. Absolutely. Anxiety, panic attacks, them worrying about something. And I'm like, dude, there is something important just about to happen in your life. Absolutely. You're standing in time when the trade winds are open for you to enter into something incredible. Absolutely. And you're now flaring up. Yeah.

19:10 In your emotions. Yeah. How do you tame that? I think that it's to consistently tell yourself that I'm not just a woman, I'm a spirit being, right? And so in as much as the things that I feel are real, there is something that should be more real to me. The fact that I'm operating within a different realm. So whenever my flesh is coming alive and it's like, "Oh my god, this is too much. I'm going to die. I'm just like, God, open my eye to see what's really going on here. You see, Jacob came to a season like that where it was like, Lebanon is chasing me. You know, I don't know. Esau is waiting for me on the other side. I can't go back. I can't go forward. I don't know if this is going to be the last night I see my children and my

19:56 wife. It's just like people in this generation will most likely be like, I'm just going to give up. Let me hang myself. And you know, all of those emotions are real. But in such a critical time, what do you do? You wrestle with God and wrestle with yourself, right? You go back into his presence and you're like, "Lord, I am angry. I am sad. I'm afraid. But Lord, save me from your holy mountain. Show me what I am not seeing. God, there is always a solution in you." Those are the days you break forth in power. You come into another level. So you leave that experience limping but you leave a new person and I found out that my seasons of

20:41 greatest transformation and evolution were the seasons when I was in pain. So pain is a gift. Trials are a gift. Confusion is a gift. Fear sometimes can be a gift. You just have to learn how to take it and exchange it with what God has reserved for you. So many people have broken the things that should build them. Absolutely. Because of pain. I remember a guy who used to sleep in his car every day for one year. He had a gun with him to catch the person who stole his money. Look at that. Every night he will go to a place where he knows the guy come and he will sleep in his car waiting for this guy to come.

21:27 Yeah. Because of bored. Mhm. So do people do this level of effort to acquire spiritual authority? Most times no. Right? Because you see dealing with things from the spirit leaves you vulnerable. Right? You know there are times when people have done stuff to me that have really hurt me and I felt like I can deal with this in my flesh. I know what to do. All I need to do is make this phone call, make this phone call, put this, you know, suggestion here and bam, you're gone. And the Lord is like, "You will not try it. If you do that, you're going to lose your oil. You're going to lose your strength. You're going to lose your favor." And God is like, "You will say nothing. You come back to me and pray about it." That's happened to me before. Yeah. In a business transaction,

22:13 I was doing business with this guy and the business was going very well. We're making money in a lot of money. And the guy just started to cut me out. And then I tried to say I'm going to flex. You know how you flex, take the guy to call, do some things. And they also said to me, you're going to walk away from this business. You're going to leave it all. I don't want you to squabble. The place I'm taking you to, I don't want your name to be set on the internet and you are known for making trouble. I want you to squeaky clean. And this was 25, 30 years ago. Think about the journey I've come since then. Last year the guy tried to reach out and try to be my friend and I'm like dude you're a

22:58 leave me alone. Yes. Sorry if he was watching. Not that I haven't forgiven him but I I know who he is and in a different situation of life and I've had situation where God told me to go back some such a person and do business with them again. And I said to them directly like you know you cheated me the last time we did business but this job I can't do it by myself. So I know the Holy Spirit asked me to come and meet you again and I want to tell you up front now that you have the opportunity to cheat me again. Please do not cheat me this time and he did it again. Oh wow. So snakes cannot change their skin right. Oh wow. What are the practical steps you can give someone who is saying okay I'm

23:44 stewarding the talent now I can see cities coming for me how do I make that transition is it just the master that hands it over to you and makes it possible are there practical actions you take that enables you to grow from talent to absolutely absolutely um so number one like I said do not judge your situations by the emotions you feel in the present Okay. Um, always tell yourself that sometimes your emotions can be a product of many things. It could be the reality you're dealing with. It could be a burden that you're sensing. It could also be that you're carrying the weight of a future, you know. So, it doesn't necessarily mean something is wrong. It just means you need to go back

24:29 to God and distill it so that you know exactly what you're feeling. Um number two um never make permanent decisions from temporary situations. Um I found out that that's where many people exchange the glory of their future you know just for the the weakness of the present. So in your decision making um be patient enough to say to yourself I don't need to decide now. You know the Bible says he that believeth does not make haste. Um but I found out that many times when people are trying to trade and gain authority they feel like I need to make decision now. I need to you know Yeah. So you need to marry the person. February 14th. I need to I need Valentine now. Today exactly this is my year. What if it's not your year? That's such a permanent decision.

25:15 So you must make sure you always decide not from the place of agitation, not from the place of paralysis, but from the place of empowered spirit. Um the third thing I have seen that has grown me in authority is be a person that shows up. Show up for God. Show up for your generation and show up for yourself. I found that many times we feel like authority is bestowed and we forget that the the ingredient for growth is consistency. So you have to consistently show up and showing up doesn't mean you're confident. Showing up doesn't mean that everything is lined up properly. Showing up just means you have faith. You know that all things will ultimately work together for your good. So if you're given a vision by God and you are inspired by him, show up for the vision.

26:03 Don't make excuses your bread. Um the fourth thing that I would say is always put a knife to your throat when the doors of opportunity open to you. The Bible says when you sit at a table to dine with kings, put a knife to your throat. And I teach this often. The word for throat is the Hebrew word nephesh which is the same word for soul. So basically the Bible was saying what qualifies you to consistently grow in authority before kings and before God is that you learn to circumcise your soul consistently because every time you see that the day to die with kings they're looking at your table manners you know are you hungry are you overly hungry to the point that your appetite controls your actions no king will commit anything great to a person who cannot control their appetite

26:48 you know um are you going to you know betray people just to get what you want stuff like that will shut doors of authority to you. Um another thing that I would say about you know growing in authority spiritual authority is that you must keep growing spiritually. You know um many people are still riding on the revelation of 2 years ago or the revelation of 4 years ago. You started Christianity you were praying for 4 hours now you pray for 40 minutes like you are not growing in spiritual authority you know. So you have to keep growing spiritually and sometimes it has to be even strategic. Like I have tutors that I meet with every other week that literally all we do is sit with the Bible and they're asking me questions like a child. They give me assignments. I go back and I go when I preach like oh my

27:35 god you're on fire. I'm like no I just subject myself to tutors and mentors you know and I learn like I learn I write. So because I have to keep growing spiritually if I'll keep growing in authority. So the sixth thing is make yourself accountable. And accountability is not weakness. Accountability doesn't mean you're small. Accountability just means you have a circle of trust that keep their eye on your business and ensure that at every point in time you are making the decisions that bring your destiny into profitability. And so when you even talk about accountability, you need to have different levels of accountability. So there are people you should be accountable to spiritually. There are some that you're accountable to financially. There are some you accountable to socially,

28:21 psychologically. These are people who are experts in the different areas. But they are not just experts, but they also carry wisdom and you trust them enough to be able to question your decisions in particular areas of life. So this kind of accountability is going to keep you safe and it's going to keep you growing. And that way God knows that he can trust you. And then there are multiple layers of intercession um on behalf of you going towards heaven and that way it increases your trust from heaven. Um the last thing that I would say about spirit going in spiritual authority is just keeping in mind that spiritual authority is not an intangible um thing that exists in the spirit realm. It must be seen. It must be felt in the

29:07 physical. So you have to keep pressing God to build your spirit and deliver understanding. The Bible talks about the seven spirits of God. Spirit of wisdom, understanding, sage of counsel and might, spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord. All of these things are tangible in terms of you know wisdom is what enables you to be able to make critical decisions. Understanding is what empowers you to understands how system protocol structures work. You know, counsel is knowing what the heart of God is. Um, even on a large scale, on a global scale, and on a minute scale, all of these things produce might to do great works and to do mighty things, multiple things in seasons. By the time you look at it, you don't realize that

29:53 spiritual authority necessitates that you as an individual, you are working in all this multiple dimensions of God's creative grace, you know, ability and power to wage war and build cities at the same time. raise families and also increase nations at the same time. So you have to be able to press into God to say Lord make it tangible. Give me the mind and the heart to manifest. So this brings you to a question at the superior level is this enterprise of building God's kingdom by reason of his authority. Mhm. Because if truly authority comes from God, God means it for an assignment. Absolutely. So at the basic level is asking and

30:40 receiving. Two people come to God to say in Jesus name let this sick person be made well. One person gets result the other person doesn't get result. What is going on there? Pim you you said it. You said um you know authority is for a purpose. So I always say to people I said every authority is given for a purpose. It must have a partner, you know, um, and it must have a place of manifestation. The Bible says in Genesis, it says, "And God blessed them." And that word for bless is also the same word that speaks about designation, positioning, salutation. So basically, God gave them authority and then he said to them, "Be

31:26 fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, take dominion." So good. Yes. So basically the authority was for fruitfulness, multiplication, dominion, filling the whole earth. So God never gives authority without purpose. Now that being said, you see the seven sons ofKa, you know, they are like come out in the name of Jesus. And like I know like are you kidding me? Like are you serious? You get mind. How dare you tell me to come out? He's like, I don't even know who you are. And so what's going on there is are you known in the realm of the spirit? You know what weight does your name carry? Yes, the name of Jesus carries weight. But

32:11 the name of Jesus delivered to a generation, a place or a thing. The weight of the name that comes it it rides with the weight of the person that is calling the name. So what is your weight in the spirit? What sacrifices have you made? How dedicated are you to the cause? How much of the revelation of that name that you have because the name is not just about a person who died and live. It's not a story. There are different spiritual um conotations. Yes. Connotations to the name of Jesus. So the reason why one will say come out and the demon comes out and the other says come out the name of Jesus doesn't come out is because the one that says come out and it doesn't work doesn't actually have the revelation of the name that he's calling. He doesn't know much about the power of

32:57 the cross. doesn't understand what Jesus did in hell, doesn't understand what it meant for him to ascend into the heavens and for his blood to be accepted by God. You must understand the different levels of authority that Jesus gained for you to be able to pronounce authority in his name. So if you don't understand his authority, you don't reverence his authority, you don't submit to his authority, you cannot use his authority against the kingdom that you are more subject to. So can you relate this to time? The timing, the seasons in God where God has ordained that this city of Luxmbborg will receive revival. This nation of Kenya will receive a turnaround from God. This South African nation will be

33:44 revived by God. How does authority flow and help the man who is standing at the city gate to release the move of God over the land? How does this work? One of the things I like to teach about is territories, right? You know, so you know how in the book of Revelation, the Bible is speaking about the churches and speaking about dispensations, right? But relating the dispensations to locations. And so when you read it, it's speaking about, you know, the church here, the church there to the church here, La Oisia and all of that. It's calling locations, but the locations represented dispensations, right? And so I usually say to people that locations are not just physical spaces. Locations are made up of the gods that have been enthroned in those

34:31 spaces and the priesthood that continues to empower the altars of those gods. And so when you want to break into a location, you are not just breaking into a physical space or a physical culture. you are trying to overthrow a longexisting agreement and covenant um that was put in place by certain priesthood and facilitated by the altar worship in that location. And sometimes altar worship is not necessarily a physically instituted altar. Sometimes there's the altar of culture. And so as long as people continue to perpetrate certain behaviors, it strengthens the altar, it strengthens the deity and it locks the atmosphere. So when you carry authority, God makes you to establish

35:17 the authority on multiple levels. So on the level of intercession, trying to break open the heavens, on the level of engaging with priesthood, your priesthood, how you carry it, and on the level of also engaging with culture, changing the ways, the behaviors, and you know, the actions around that location. That's Acts 19, right? Exactly. Paul came to the to Ephesus, the greatest Diana of Ephesus. Exactly. as and attacks the culture from attack the culture from business on trading and all of that. So you have to do it on multiple levels. Um that being said you know sometimes we are violated in the present by agreements in the past that we are unaware of. Recently I was studying the the story of David and I was studying what happened to David and

36:02 his son um Abselum. Abselum. You know what hit me, Pastor Moses? You know, when David sinned against God with Bashibba, um the Bible says he stood on like his balcony and he saw, you know, Bashiba and, you know, invited her in and did all the stuff that he did. And part of the consequences that the prophet Nathan said to him is that because of this that you have done, another is going to take your your wives and sleep with them in front of you. You know, and fast forward many years later, Abselum takes his wives, his concubines, and sleeps with them where on the same location where he began the process of taking Bashba, his balcony. Right? So, you then realize that the balcony of David was no longer just a physical

36:48 place. It had become an altar. It had become an altar, an open space in the spirit realm that represented violation. Crazy. And so many times we're trying to engage with locations as though it's just a place. Same as Bethl. Bethl. Exactly. Genesis 28. So um Jacob is going past Bethl. He falls asleep and then he sees that there's a ladder there unknowing to him it was a place where Abraham had instituted an altar. And so locations never forget. locations bear record of the altars that have been made, the agreements that have been made and the covenants that have been facilitated. So to have authority over locations, you have to be able to engage with the God that has lived forever because there are many records we are

37:34 not privy to. We are not aware of. But there is a God who sees all things. And so he can bring you into the perfection of his will and the strength of his counsel for a time when you go into him and by the power of the Holy Ghost and that's the place of the praying in the spirit because we don't know what to pray for. I don't know what happened 300 years ago. But the moment I'm going overturning things and I am saying that there is a new girl in town. This one believes in Jesus. This one does not violate another man's wife. This one does not. And you are instituting a new order. So in a location where violation was the voice speaking, you begin to say no more

38:20 violation. We are coming by the power of the Lord. We are turning things. That's why consecration is so key. Absolutely. In spiritual authority. Absolutely. And you know the funny thing is but the problem is the moment you increase in spiritual authority, there's a tendency to think that the laws no longer apply. Right. Right. Right. because you seem invincible. You're now invisible. You're now opening gates. You're now doing stuff. You're doing great stuff. You think like I can get away with anything. And you know what Satan does in the moment when you are violating God's way, he prospers you, right? Satan will make sure that everything everything is working so that your heart never turns. You're never indicted and you turn. So you have to make sure that as you grow in spiritual authority, you grow in consecration. You grow in consecration. So people are like, why are you fasting so much? Because I'm growing. Yes. I'm growing. I'm growing in

39:08 authority. I need to fast. I need to keep my flesh. There are people doing big business, taking corporations, buying entities across the world, people trading stocks. How does business serve to establish the kingdom of God? What does money do for the kingdom? And what is the good relationship ministry church should have with business with money with stewarding financial instruments. Yeah. Fantastic. Recently I was speaking to someone about that scripture where the Bible spoke about Lucifer. Mhm. And it says by the abundance of your trading iniquity was found in you. And I

39:53 say to people that in as much as we are called to trade and we're called to engage but at the same time we have to understand that the manner in which you trade determines what occupies your spirit man. So if you are trading from the place of selfish ambition and you're trading from a place where you just want to increase and grow yourself, your influence, um it is most likely that that whole process is shifting something on the inside of you and it's shifting your heart away from godly dependence into self-reliance. So it's not just about trading and making money. It's how you trade, the heart with which you trade and the purpose for which you are trading. it can determine what fills you up. So, that's the first things first.

40:40 The second thing that I I think the church should know is that God has no problem with greatness. Um because they often talk about the tower of Babel and they're like, you know, they sought to build great structures and God came down and pulled it down. But today, we have skyscrap scrapers that are probably higher than the tower of Babel. Why has God not destroyed everything? That was not the idea. Because it wasn't about the physical structure. It was about the intention of their hearts of their hearts. And when you also think about it and this is the reason why the church has to embrace money, greatness, influence and power is because what were these guys doing? They were using physical resources to create a structure that empowered their engagement with the heavens. Yes, it was called second second

41:26 heavens. Second heavens. But they could not achieve it. They could not open that gate in the spirit if they did not have the physical wealth to facilitate the structure that would empower that you know heaven and earth engagement engagement with the sky. Exactly. So many times we talk about we want to win a billion souls, but we don't have a billion dollars because you're going to need money for the crusades to pay the evangelist to move around the nations, you know, to build the stages to get the microphone that can speak to a billion people at a time. You know, so many times we reduce the impact we can make as the church because we demonize that we should embrace for empowerment for the authority of God to be released. Exactly. And once again,

42:13 Satan is only a thief. You know, all of these things he stole from God. Touch the sky. Yeah. The sky doesn't even belong to him. The sky belongs to God. The sky belongs to God. The firmament of the heavens are his, you know. So, he's a thief. So, he's made us shrink back and then he's taking everything we refuse to take responsibility for. So, how does um authority work for a person who is in business? We see this consistently. Recently, um, not recently, this morning, I was actually studying the power of patterns. And as I was studying the power of patterns, I was thinking about how Jacob multiplied in Lebanon's house because God gave him the revelation of a pattern and said, "If you put this pattern in the watering trough, as long as they looked at the

42:59 pattern, they would multiply in your favor." Now the thing is if you are in business God needs to show you the pattern of his increase the pattern of wealth. He shows you stuff like this sometimes through dreams through visions through revelation. People don't believe that every institution that exists on earth is merely mirroring a greater institution that exists in the heavens. This is the reason why the occult will say things like they went to Satan for power and then Satan gave them an idea or gave them wisdom or gave them something that they did on earth and it just blossomed. But Satan is below where God is operating. Not even God. Let's let's even leave God is below heaven as a just as a location in the spirit

43:46 realm. And so in heaven there are institutions. There are financial institutions in heaven. There are governmental institutions, you know, educational structures. So if you are in business, you must get to the point where you say to yourself, I want my greatest education and inspiration to come from Zion. I want to I want to run Xerox so I see in heaven. Exactly. I want to build a pattern which I seen in the temple as it is in heaven. Yes. Yes. It's so on earth. Yes. So that's actually what we are called to do. Right. Right. Right. So whether is stuck, God has something. Prophets prophesy by this time tomorrow. It's possible by the spirit to know these things. But even if you are observing physical patterns, God can tell you what you are observing means and tell you where to invest and not to invest. So that we are not laboring

44:33 under the um weight of the curse where it's only until you sweat you prosper. It's possible that you prosper not by the sweat of your brows but by the intelligence of the spirit and the empowerment of grace to do good works. So rounding up now on this touch the sky podcast and I have two more questions for you. Number one question, you do so many things wearing this heart for people of influence um mantel Deborah in so many nations across the world. Deborah impact projects Africa deeper also your outreach NGO um and you do so many other things EC Benedicta Institute so many of these things are amazing projects. What has really been the thing that you look at

45:20 and you're like, God, this is wow. I just thank you. That's such a tough question. I can choose for you. Yeah, it it's tough because each one has made me go, "Wow, God, I just bless you." Because each one was birthed at different stages in my life. And when it came, it felt like this is like the best thing that has ever happened to me. And then you move on to the next. It's like, "Oh my gosh, I can't believe you did this, Lord." Um, but when I think about it, the one that has fascinated me the most is the mantle of Deborah, right? And it's fascinated me the most because the mantle of Deborah has such speed on

46:08 it. It it has a life of its own. It's almost like it's powered by a divine engine, right? you know, so I touch one thing, it multiplies into five things. And I'm like, I didn't do that. I know I did not do that. You know, so you know how I have labored more than you all, but I know that it is grace that labors with me that labor more abundantly, you know. So I can tell that there's like an entity of grace that is literally walking with me every time I do the mantle of Deborah. In 2 years, the mantle of Deborah had gone to almost like 10 nations. And not just that we entered and maybe two people, five people, we go there like 1,000, 2,000, thousands of people come out and it's received on multiple levels on the level of rulers and presidents and all of

46:53 that. And I'm like, I did not do that. And the hearts of the people sometimes people say, "Oh, I I saw a fly and God." I was like, "You have to be there. You have to be there." He's literally pulling them. The one calling and touching people to go. Yeah. And so right now the mantle of Deborah has its own expressions. So from the conferences to Deborah school of influence where we take um people in leadership on retreats and we train them on how to be a Deborah. It has Deborah's impact project Africa where we have almost 50 acres of land across Africa. And people are literally saying I'm going to give you 10 acres. I'm going to give five. I'm going to give you 20 acres. I'm like what is going on? You know and they're like do you want land to build in our nation? We give you as much land as you want. what do you want to build? You know, and so I see just the wind of God upon it. And it has

47:40 other expressions. It has Barack Assembly, Kadesh Command Center, Jael company. All of these things are just coming out of the mantle of Deborah. So amongst all of them, it's a vision that I handle with so much um trepidation. Trembling hands. Yes. with trembly hands and with a lot of honor um for the God who stands behind it because it has exceeded what I could have even imagined and because God gave me um that vision in connection to a season where he was breaking the yoke of baroness over me and he said to me you waited for a child for 7 years I'm going to give you a child and the moment you have the child I'm going to release the mantle of the bora over the earth and so I had the

48:27 child in February 2020 and from then till now my life has not been the same you know so I yes I really thank God for the man to love Deborah I just want to celebrate the grace of God upon your life as a brother I've been very close like I said I have the front ride in the journey of God's work in your heart I truly truly celebrate the work that God has done through you and the impact that through you so many lives have and energized and touched. There's one question. I know you said you pray a lot, but what has made you being able to to keep on going when the going gets tough?

49:13 I would say what has kept me genuine first foremost, foundationally, totally, everything is the fear of God. We will go through different issues in life, right? We will encounter various circumstances in life. But we must never let anything make us uphold God less than any situation. Right? Um I fear God. I fear God. I know that just because he has made himself reachable, right, doesn't mean that him and I are on the same level. You know, I fear God.

49:58 God. Yeah. Just because he's given me a choice doesn't mean there will be no consequences for when I choose wrongly. Right. I fear God. You know, just because he's given me power doesn't mean I have the sole right to use it as I please. Yeah. Just because it's giving you power does not mean you have the sole right to use it as use it as you please. I like to repeat everything you say again. It's just words marble. It should be a tweet. It should be a quote on X. So good. Yeah. So I fear God. So I think the reason why many of us get drawn away in our own personal desires is that we don't really know the God we are serving. Right? when you know that he's both a river of life and also a consuming fire, you tread carefully with him, you know, because you just never know how he's

50:45 going to move. Um, I say this also to say I've had painful situations. Most of them you've been privy to. You know, um, situations that have literally left me feeling like I'm wrecked. I'm finished. In fact, sometimes I sit back and I think about the kind of things I've dealt with and how I'm still standing and you know just going and I'm like are you even sure? Am I okay? Like how am I able to you get? And I realized this is what grace looks like. This is the grace of God. So grace does not excuse a child of the grace of God. Yes. The grace of God. This is what grace looks like. It doesn't excuse you from responsibilities, but it empowers you to execute responsibilities in the midst of trial,

51:31 right? You know, so grace is what made the Hebrew boys say, "Hey, I know that there's a consequence. We're ready to face the fire. Bring it on." You know, so grace is not, "Hey, there's grace. God loves me. So, I'm going to take two years off. I'm not preaching to anybody. I'm just going to do me." I can't do me because the master that I serve gave his blood for this assignment. He died literally. It was uncomfortable. I must die also. This is me carrying my cross. What has kept me in this place? The fear of God number one. Number two, the love of God. The love of God. You know, Jesus looked me one day in the face when I said, "God, I'm so tired. I'm not going to do this, Lord." And at that period, like a couple of people had walked away from me. A couple of people have done stuff to me. And I was like,

52:16 "God, because of all of this, I'm not." And God looked at me and Jesus said to me, he said, "So you're going to walk away from me, too. The way they walked away from you." And in that moment, it suddenly dawned on me, he's not just God. He was also man. He feels the pain of rejection. Of rejection. And I looked at him out of my own pain. I said, "Master, I will never cause you the same pain. I will never I said, I will not do to you what was done to me. I will never I said I will stay with you. I will do whatever you want, whatever you need. I'm your girl forever. So good. I'm your girl forever. So when I see scriptures like what shall separate us

53:02 from the love of God? People think about it like what can stop God from loving us? But I say what can stop me from loving God? So this is why I'm still who I am. So good. Thank you so much for coming to this set. Touch the sky. I know that this is going to be a blessing to so many people return back into your soul, into your heart, into your spirit, blessing, expansion. Amen. The grace of God, multiplied love for God. Amen. May every waking up moment is moment of being captured by the attention of the divine spirit. May God continuously invite you to sit amen with the mighty and divide you a portion with the great.

53:47 Amen. In Jesus name. Amen. Bless you my apostle. Welcome to touch the sky. Thank you. Hello everyone. This has been an interesting interesting conversation with Apostle Eye and she spoke to the heart of spiritual authority. There are some points you have to take away that authority is actually not just something you get given by God. Authority is like talent and when you harness the talent that God has given to you, he gives you more. And she proceeded to tell us about altars and consecrations and the things

54:34 we do to raise and to keep on making sure that we grow in authority. I invite you to engage with touch the sky podcast and you can always reach me at this Moses on Instagram. Also visit my website collides central.com to engage with my book collide. God bless and until the next episode. I'm so happy, so stoked to see you at Touch the Sky. Bless. I want to grow to the sky. I want to see through your eyes. I'm not believe in the lies. I'm believe in the lies. I want to grow to the sky. I want to see through your eyes. I believe in the lies. I'm in the lies.

55:22 Yeah.